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Speaker 3: Good morning everybody, it is a Monday. We have a

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Speaker 3: great show for everyone today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have course, indeed we do, of course,

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Speaker 1: we have you covered again from all angles of what

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Speaker 1: is unfolding in Israel and in Gaza. There are some

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Speaker 1: huge developments this morning, so we'll take you on the

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Speaker 1: ground in Gaza. Will also talk to you about the

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Speaker 1: US response which continues to take shape. Potential visit by

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Speaker 1: President Biden in the works too Israel. So we've got

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Speaker 1: all of that for you. The geopolitics, could this spark

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Speaker 1: a broader war, something we are all, of course fearful of.

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Speaker 1: We're also excited to be able to bring you some

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Speaker 1: results from our own focus group.

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Speaker 4: We did ask participants.

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Speaker 1: These were Democratic base voters outside in and around Atlanta

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Speaker 1: about this conflict and how they are viewing it, what

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Speaker 1: type of news they're consuming, how they view Hamas, how

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Speaker 1: they view Gaza, how they view the Palestinians, how they

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Speaker 4: Doing in response.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting stuff, and of course it's always invaluable to

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Speaker 1: hear from the American people themselves about how they are processing.

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Speaker 1: at some of the overwhelming state backed censorship that is

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Speaker 1: occurring on this issue. We'll give you some really striking

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Speaker 1: examples this as protests have been sparked literally around the globe.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a look at how Israelis are

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Speaker 1: processing this and how they feel about their government. We've

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Speaker 1: to get into this morning, but let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: start with what we've got on the ground in Gaza

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Speaker 1: And one of the big concerns this morning is you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: The Israeli say that they're not allowing for proper security

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: Take a listen to what Secretary Blincoln said last year

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Speaker 5: when Putin was targeting Ukrainian infrastructure.

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Speaker 6: Heat, water, electricity, for children, for the elderly, for the sick.

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Speaker 7: These are President Putin's new targets. He's hitting them hard.

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Speaker 6: This brutalization of Ukraine's people is barbaric.

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Speaker 5: Now, look, Israel is not Russia. Gaza is not Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: It's a different situation. But cutting off supplies, cutting off heat,

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Speaker 8: Well, first, thank you for saying that Israel is not Russia,

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Speaker 8: because Israel is not Russia's second.

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Speaker 5: Civilians are civilians.

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Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely they are, and they deserve, as I said before,

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Speaker 8: hasn't made any bones about that. We're working hard on that.

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Speaker 2: That's a pretty big deal though for Jake Sullivan to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they're paying all this lip service.

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Speaker 1: And Biden put out a tweet like, oh, we've got

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Speaker 1: Lensky talking about what a war crime it is for

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Speaker 1: And also if you don't have electricity, then you can't

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Speaker 1: So a reporter on Al jazeero Ho explained some of

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Speaker 9: Also, the black out of electricity inside Gaza is the

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of children have been killed already in these assaults. Again,

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Speaker 1: But when you have Israel mounting this overwhelming bombing campaign,

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Speaker 1: over a number of years, some of those Americans could

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Speaker 1: There you have the latest number I saw is potentially

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Speaker 1: two hundred hostages that were taken by Hamas. The families

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Speaker 1: There are more and more nine to eleven parallels here,

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Speaker 1: And you know you're also seeing a level of dehumanization

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get to that. Let's focus in a

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Speaker 7: Take listen, are you asking Israel to establish a humanitarian

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Speaker 7: You would like to see a humanitarian corridor that allows

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Speaker 7: You would like to see humanitarian supplies brought into Gaza. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I'm confident that Israel is going to act under the

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Speaker 7: Would you support Israeli occupation of Gaza at this point?

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Speaker 6: I think it'd be a big mistake. Look what happened

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Speaker 1: Of course, as I've already said, they're not. So I

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Speaker 1: Indications are that they do not want to reoccupy Gaza,

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Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens there. But crazy Sager, is

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Speaker 2: And it actually reflects also the biparts and consensus here

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Speaker 2: You laid out also as well with the Israeli side,

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Speaker 2: I look, I support that. I think Amas deserves to pay.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, what about day two? We never

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 2: They have to have the same plan in Gaza. And

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Speaker 2: we tried occupying Iraq.

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Speaker 3: Didn't work.

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Speaker 2: We tried building a democratic system that didn't work either

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Speaker 3: Fortieth order consequences exists.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Israel can do nothing, but they're going

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, okay, you know that seems reasonable.

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Speaker 3: But we also know that.

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Speaker 2: The current government and probably the populace at this point,

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Speaker 2: after suffering the terrorist attack, doesn't support that, which means

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Speaker 2: we're going to be in a year's long embroilment, just

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Speaker 2: like we were in Iraq. The other problem is that

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Speaker 2: the White House right now is facing so much pressure

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Speaker 2: from the pro Israel politicians and really democratic sentiment. Let's

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Speaker 2: also be honest that they are putting things off the

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Speaker 2: table that in the future they may want to actually

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Speaker 2: call for. You flagged this one in particular, calls for

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Speaker 2: a ceasefire called quote repugnant by White House spokesperson Karmie

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Speaker 2: Jean Pierre.

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Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 10: What is the president's message to members of Congress who

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Speaker 10: seem to be equating the Hamas terror attack with actions

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Speaker 10: that were previously taken by Israel.

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Speaker 11: Look, here's the thing, and which congressional members.

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Speaker 10: Of some members of Congress who have called for a ceasefire,

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Speaker 10: and they have not gone as far as backing the

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Speaker 10: administration's call for support for Israel.

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Speaker 11: So, look, I've seen some of those statements this weekend,

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Speaker 11: and we're going to continue to be very clear. We

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Speaker 11: believe they're wrong, we believe they're repugnant, and we believe

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Speaker 11: they're disgraceful. Our condemnation belongs squarely with terrorists who have

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Speaker 11: brutally murdered, rape, kidnapped hundreds, hundreds of Israelis. There can

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Speaker 11: be no equivocation about that there are not two sides here.

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Speaker 11: There are not two sides. President Biden has been clear

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Speaker 11: on where he has stood. You heard him, You heard

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Speaker 11: from him directly today, you heard from him also on

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Speaker 11: Saturday on this. There's been multiple statements from this president

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Speaker 11: and he's taking action to provide additional support to ensure

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Speaker 11: that Israel has what they need to defend themselves.

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Speaker 1: So question from Phil Wegman there specifically, what do you

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Speaker 1: think of these calls for a ceasefire? And she says

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Speaker 1: they are repugnant and we believe they are disgraceful to

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Speaker 1: call for a ceasefire repugnant and disgraceful. Now put that

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Speaker 1: in context with what Biden is saying there about home.

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Speaker 1: We want the innocent civilians and we're concerned about and

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Speaker 1: we don't want to reoccupation, humanitarian order, etc. On one hand,

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Speaker 1: and on the other they're saying anyone who would even say, hey,

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Speaker 1: stop the violence repugnant.

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Speaker 4: And it's not just that. By the way, this is

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Speaker 4: the official poll.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't something just like koreein Jean Pierre messed up

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Speaker 1: and she didn't get the question right or the answer

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Speaker 1: writer or whatever. Put this up on the screen Huffn

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Speaker 1: and Posts had this originally washed and Post is now

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Speaker 1: confirmed it. The State Department sent out a memo warning

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Speaker 1: diplomat's no Gaza de escalation talk, and they gave them

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Speaker 1: specific language that they do not want to appear in

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Speaker 1: any communications. They wrote that press materials should not include

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Speaker 1: three specific phrases de escalation or ceasefire, end to violence

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Speaker 1: or bloodshed, and restoring calm. So any talk of peace

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Speaker 1: or ending the violence and bloodshed. Officially, the US government's

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Speaker 1: policy is that is off the table.

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Speaker 2: I think that the major issue is that they see

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Speaker 2: this as calling for negotiation or something like that with Hamas,

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Speaker 2: and I think that there is a very easy middle

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Speaker 2: ground of why they will regret I believe in the

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Speaker 2: future is that and what we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: very soon in geopolitics. But I'll mention here is that

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Speaker 2: the message is being received loud and clear across the

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Speaker 2: Arab world, from MBS in Saudi Arabia and Riod to

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Speaker 2: the Qatar, you know, the emir to Iran and the Ayatola,

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Speaker 2: which is that the UNITEDS and Egypt actually in Cairo,

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Speaker 2: that the United States is co signing what ever Israel

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Speaker 2: wants to do. And whatever Biden may say, actions speak

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Speaker 2: longer than louder than words. Behavior itself is a language.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you do nothing, then that sends a very clear signal.

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Speaker 2: And this is reigniting really like a complete like we

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Speaker 2: have not seen the Islamic world this united really since

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Speaker 2: probably the invasion of Iraq against US, and by unequivocally

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Speaker 2: siding with Israel and by not actually drawing any sort

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Speaker 2: of nuance or leaving things open in the future, we

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Speaker 2: absolutely invite possible escalation in the future, future terrorist attacks

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Speaker 2: against US, but more importantly sentiment across the Arab world

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Speaker 2: against US. And we're watching this really unfold as President Biden,

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Speaker 2: Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln is finding himself really not

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Speaker 2: as welcome as he once was in the region two

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, two weeks ago, let's put this up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen. Anthony Blincoln trying to recreate the Shuttle

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Speaker 2: diplomacy famously done by Henry Kissinger. In the last seventy

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Speaker 2: two hours, he's visited Israel, the West Bank, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain,

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Speaker 2: Saudi Uae, Saudi again, Egypt, Jordan again, and Israel again.

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Speaker 2: On Monday, this all comes you know, before a possible

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Speaker 2: visit by President Biden. If we can put the next

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Speaker 2: one please up there on the screen. Benjamin Natanyahu, Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister of Israel, has invited President Biden. We will see

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Speaker 2: whether President Biden does show up in some sort of

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Speaker 2: show of support. Obviously it'll be kept under wraps. You

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Speaker 2: actually canceled a visit to Colorado today, Crystal. Usually these

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Speaker 2: trips are you know, shrouded in secrecy. Yeah, we'll find

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Speaker 2: out when he lands in Tel Aviv.

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Speaker 1: I saw this morning Channel twelve, which is Israeli on television.

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Speaker 1: They're reporting that they're making preparations for a Wednesday or

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Speaker 1: Thursday visit. So it's not confirmed. We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: But it looks like Biden maybe had a to the

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Speaker 1: region as well. But let's talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the reception. Yes, that Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln has

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Speaker 1: been getting in some of these countries. So this is

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Speaker 1: from the Washing Post. Reporting just came out this morning,

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Speaker 1: so we don't have an element for it. But in Riad,

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Speaker 1: Saudi ruler MBS kept blink and waiting overnight there was

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Speaker 1: a meeting I was supposed to happen in the evening.

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Speaker 1: Crown Prince did not show up till the next morning,

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Speaker 1: very intentional. Once the meeting began, MBS stressed the need

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Speaker 1: to stop the military operations that claim the lives of

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Speaker 1: innocent people. They're talking about the Israeli offensive and lift

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Speaker 1: the siege of Gaza that has left the Palestinian territory

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Speaker 1: without water, electricity, or fuel. That is according to the

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Speaker 1: Saudi summary of the meeting. Crown Prince also called for

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Speaker 1: a halt in the current escalation in the conflict, direct

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Speaker 1: contradiction of US policy, which is back to Israel to

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Speaker 1: pursue its maximus goal of eradicating Hamas. Similarly, Chili reception

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Speaker 1: in Egypt with Ceci, who took note of I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you remember, we played Anthony Blincoln's comments when

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Speaker 1: he arrived in Israel saying I am here.

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Speaker 4: As a Jew.

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Speaker 1: Ceci says, you said, you are a Jew Wish person,

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Speaker 1: and I am an Egyptian person who grew up next

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Speaker 1: to Jews in Egypt. They have never been subjected to

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Speaker 1: any form of oppression or targeting. Not true, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: and it has never happened in our region that Jews

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Speaker 1: were targeted in recent or old history.

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Speaker 3: Also not true.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln responded to CC saying, I come as a human

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Speaker 1: being who is appalled by habasatrocities. But Sagar, you took

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Speaker 1: particular note of what a diplomatic faux pas it was

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Speaker 1: that Lincoln made here in Israel.

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Speaker 2: I was debating talking about this because I know it's

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Speaker 2: so sensitive, but I will because clearly it's ignited a

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Speaker 2: firestorm in the Middle East, which is Henry Kissinger, whenever

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Speaker 2: he was in the midst of Israel negotiations at the

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Speaker 2: height of the Am Kippur War, and all throughout his tenure,

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Speaker 2: while trying to bring a solution to the crisis, always

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Speaker 2: emphasized a neutral party in shuttle diplomacy to try and

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Speaker 2: make sure that the Arab States did not view him

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Speaker 2: as like some sort of quote Jewish plant, not my words.

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Speaker 2: That's what he was trying to avoid the appearance of.

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Speaker 2: And he famously told the Israeli Prime Minister gold in

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Speaker 2: my air quo uote Golden, you must remember first, I

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Speaker 2: am an American, Second, I am Secretary of State. Third

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Speaker 2: I am a Jew. She famously responded, quote, Henry, you

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Speaker 2: forget an Israel that we read from right to left.

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Speaker 2: It was a great quip and it's famous for her wittiness.

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Speaker 2: But the emphasis that he was trying to make all

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Speaker 2: throughout his Shuttle diplomacy was I am here on behalf

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Speaker 2: of President Richard Nixon, who said some problematic things I

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Speaker 2: think about Jews, as we all found out whenever the

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Speaker 2: recordings came out. The point though, being that he always

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Speaker 2: led with I'm here as a representati of the United

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Speaker 2: States and a neutral arbiter who wants to try and

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Speaker 2: bring this to a close, as an ally of Israel,

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Speaker 2: but also an ally of actual balance in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: I think that Anthony Blincoln, by going to Israel first,

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Speaker 2: by leading with that which I can, of course understand

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Speaker 2: on a human level from being raised told the stories

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Speaker 2: of persecution, he did not understand that it would ignite

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Speaker 2: both offense and conspiracy all across the Arab world. Telling

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Speaker 2: you this earlier. The thing is, in two thousand and six,

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Speaker 2: the Arab world did not have as much social media,

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Speaker 2: and we already saw the impact of social media during

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Speaker 2: the so called Arab Spring ISLAMISMINT or whatever you want

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Speaker 2: to call it. The point though, is that now in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, everybody's got data and everybody's got WhatsApp.

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Speaker 2: This stuff flies around all across the world. There are

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Speaker 2: two billion Muslims on the planet, and the emotionality of

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Speaker 2: the Palestine issue of Jerusalem, of the Alaxamsque is at

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Speaker 2: a ten out of ten in terms of what it ignites.

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Speaker 2: As we've all watched, there's a lot of Muslims all

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Speaker 2: across the world, and even in the West are taken

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Speaker 2: to the streets. So really, what I think we're watching

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Speaker 2: is that the Arab States, both from Blincoln's rhetoric, from

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Speaker 2: Biden's actions and everything in the last week, are like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: they're one hundred percent taking Israel side. They're not even

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Speaker 2: trying to listen to our perspective, and we're watching as

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Speaker 2: the entire Arab world from Cairo. Don't forget this, Cairo

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Speaker 2: is the second largest recipient up until Ukraine, of US eight.

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Speaker 2: We have paid these people eighty billion dollars over the

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Speaker 2: last I think seventy something years, specifically as a counterweight

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Speaker 2: to Israel and to try you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of legacy of it from Oslo and negotiations and all

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Speaker 2: those things in the past. The point, though, is that

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Speaker 2: this is supposed to be a friendly regime, and to

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Speaker 2: have our secretary of state slapped across the face effectively, rhetorically, yeah,

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Speaker 2: in a meeting like this, in a public was a

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Speaker 2: direct signal to the rest of the Arab world. And

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Speaker 2: I also think of some small d democratic sentiment where

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Speaker 2: people are furious I think with Anthony Blincoln for that,

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Speaker 2: rightfully or not. I'm just trying to explain how a

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Speaker 2: lot of people there are going to internalize a comment

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 1: Also, when you lead with your religious identity, you instantly

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Speaker 1: pour fuel on the fire of what is already a

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Speaker 1: very sectarian conflict, and that is the polar opposite of

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Speaker 1: the direction that we want to go in. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you want to preserve any credibility as some sort

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Speaker 1: of a go between a negotiator an actual diplomat, you

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Speaker 1: have to try to maintain some semblance of neutrality. Another

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Speaker 1: thing you should keep in mind about Cci he is

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Speaker 1: no Islamus. He has been jailing a bunch of Islamists

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Speaker 1: in Egypt. So for him to take offense in such

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Speaker 1: a way that he, as you said, sort of like

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Speaker 1: smacks Blincoln in this very public rebuke is quite noteworthy Egypt. Also, obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know a critical actor in terms of if we're

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Speaker 1: actually serious about some sort of a humanitarian corridor there,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be negotiating directly with them, and Egypt

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Speaker 1: has historically played a really critical role as a negotiator

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Speaker 1: to try to achieve ceasefires and calm between these two parties. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, huge huge misstep there from Blincoln and night

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Speaker 1: and day between. Before you had the the Abraham Accords

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Speaker 1: under the Trump administration, you had this new effort at

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Speaker 1: Saudi normalization with Israel under the Biden administration, the idea

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Speaker 1: being We're just going to pretend like these Palestinians and

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Speaker 1: this whole little issue over here does.

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Speaker 4: Not even exist. Those days are long gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, And that is the big

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Speaker 2: takeaway about US policy and how it's being received. It

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Speaker 2: actually connects to our next important segment around the geopolitics

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Speaker 2: in the region, and also about the increasing likelihood that

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Speaker 2: I think everyone needs to prepare themselves that the United

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Speaker 2: States is this close from getting involved in this conflict,

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Speaker 2: regardless of what these people say. President Biden frankly even

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Speaker 2: setting the ground for that in his sixty minutes interview,

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Speaker 2: saying we can do both. We can have a conflict

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East and embroils US where the world's

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Speaker 2: petroleum supply. We can have a conflict happening in Ukraine

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Speaker 2: which is draining US weapons stack piles because we're America.

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Speaker 3: Man, here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 7: Are the wars in Israel and Ukraine more than the

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Speaker 7: United States can take on at the same.

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Speaker 6: Tary of the United States of America, for God's sake,

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Speaker 6: the most powerful nation in the history, not in the world,

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Speaker 6: history of the world, the history of the world. We

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Speaker 6: can take care of both of these and still maintain

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Speaker 6: our overall international defense.

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Speaker 2: We can take care of both of these and maintain

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Speaker 2: our overall international defense and crystal. Once upon a time,

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Speaker 2: we may have believed that post I Rock and post Afghanistan,

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Speaker 2: post shipping AMMO to Ukraine and depleting our weapons stock piles,

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Speaker 2: post COVID finding out that we don't make anything in

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Speaker 2: this country, that is just absolutely not true. There is

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Speaker 2: a very limited amount of military firepower that we have

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Speaker 2: access to now. Yes, that is far more than everybody

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Speaker 2: else on the planet, but it is not infinite and

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Speaker 2: endless as we once thought that it was. For example,

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Speaker 2: we are now committing extraordinary amounts of military resources to

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Speaker 2: the Eastern Mediterranean. Let's put this up there on the screen. Unprecedented.

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Speaker 2: The United States is now sending a second air aircraft

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Speaker 2: carrier to the Eastern Mediterranean.

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Speaker 3: The US S.

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Speaker 2: Eisenhower will join the USS forward off of Israe in

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Speaker 2: the Eastern Mediterranean region. Secretary of Defense said that he

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Speaker 2: was beginning moving to the Eastern med Quote as part

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Speaker 2: of our effort to deter hostile actions against Israel or

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Speaker 2: any efforts toward widening this war following Hamasa's attack on Israel.

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Speaker 2: This of course is meant to really be a deterrence

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Speaker 2: against Iranian involvement. But something you talked about yesterday and

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Speaker 2: which again bears highlighting. Please put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen, is a secret message has been communicated via

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Speaker 2: Tehran to Tel Aviv. They warn Israel through the United

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Speaker 2: Nations against a ground offensive in Gaza. What they said

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Speaker 2: via the UN was this, if you go into Gaza

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Speaker 2: in a full scale invasion and a major offensive and

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Speaker 2: it results in mass civilian death, that Iran does not

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Speaker 2: want to be in this conflict, it does not want

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Speaker 2: to be into a regional war, but that they will

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Speaker 2: have no choice and they stressed quote Iran has red lines.

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Speaker 2: He said that if the Israeli military operation continues, and

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Speaker 2: especially if Israel follows through on its promise of a

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Speaker 2: ground offensive, Iran will have to respond. That is almost

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Speaker 2: certainly a threat of Hezbolah increasing involvement. Already we have

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Speaker 2: minor clashes that are happening in a possible two front scenario.

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Speaker 2: We could put this up there on the screen. Confirmed

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Speaker 2: by the Times of Israel. One person has already been

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Speaker 2: killed in Israel in a renewed Hesbola missile attack, and

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Speaker 2: the IDF is heavily restricting the Lebanon border area, in

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Speaker 2: addition to rocket fire and other things that are exchanged

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Speaker 2: across both sides. That is the complete nightmare scenario in

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Speaker 2: signs of even more widening conflict.

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Speaker 3: For example, put this up there. Just a couple of

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Speaker 3: days ago.

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Speaker 2: Israel bombed one of the major Aleppo airports in Syria

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Speaker 2: and actually put it out of service because they said

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Speaker 2: that it was the source of missile attacks and has

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Speaker 2: previously had simultaneous missile attacks by IDF forces, for example

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Speaker 2: in Damascus. All of this just shows us that you

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Speaker 2: could easily have a spiraling scenario where one wrong person

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Speaker 2: is killed where and.

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Speaker 3: Exactly as I've laid out before.

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Speaker 2: If we get into a scenario where mass death happens

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Speaker 2: inside Gaza, I'm talking ten to fifty thousand and fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand to one hundred thousand civilians, then it is just

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Speaker 2: there is simply no scenario in my mind where Hesbola

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Speaker 2: and the regional actors do not get involved in some way,

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Speaker 2: maybe Crystal, they don't declare official war.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. These are non state actors in and

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Speaker 3: of itself.

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Speaker 2: And you could have a flocking to Syria, to the

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Speaker 2: borders all surrounding Israel, Egypt, Jordan, and Egypt, Jordan and Syria,

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Speaker 2: where global like a call for global jihad happens, just

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Speaker 2: like happening in Isis, you'll have a swarming inside of

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Speaker 2: the country, suicide bombers, all the other nightmare that we

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Speaker 2: saw in Mosl and throughout the Islamic State. And there's

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Speaker 2: from the posture that we already have and the rhetoric

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Speaker 2: in the United States, do you really not see how

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Speaker 2: close we are right now to war with Iran, or

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Speaker 2: war with hesbel Lot, or US getting involved even from

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Speaker 2: a you know, from an air perspective, don't forget what

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Speaker 2: happened in Libya. And the thing is is that, let's say,

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Speaker 2: even if we do avoid a war with Iran, well,

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Speaker 2: our intervention with Libya was no peach and the destruction

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Speaker 2: of the entire country. We could see regimes toppled even

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Speaker 2: by this. If they work with the US, they're going

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Speaker 2: to face major pushback from their own populations. If they

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Speaker 2: declare war, they could you know, end themselves up in

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Speaker 2: a problem. Who knows the level of destabilization that could

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Speaker 2: enter this. So I think everyone needs to really keep

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Speaker 2: in mind we are entering a period of extreme uncertainty,

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Speaker 2: and with this much firepower dedicated in this region and

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Speaker 2: direct US backing for whatever happens, we could easily find

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Speaker 2: ourselves in this, in this conflict in days from now.

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Speaker 3: Easily it could happen.

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Speaker 1: You're going to hear some of this when we play

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Speaker 1: for you our focus group. The American people very very

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Speaker 1: sympathetic to Israel and what they're going for and mostly

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Speaker 1: behind their actions in Gaza. Very different question when you

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Speaker 1: ask about do you support us getting more directly involved?

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Speaker 1: A very different question if you're talking about an active,

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Speaker 1: hot war with Iran and I don't think anyone should

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Speaker 1: delude themselves about what a chaotic and dangerous situation that

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Speaker 1: we're in right now. I thought doctor Parsi had a

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Speaker 1: good thread about how even though it appears that none

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Speaker 1: of the three parties, Iran, Israel, or the US actually

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Speaker 1: wants to go to war, even that being the case,

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Speaker 1: there is still a very real possibility that we end

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Speaker 1: up in one in spite of that, because of the

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Speaker 1: actions that the three parties are taking. In particular, he says,

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Speaker 1: Israeli success in Gaza will give Israel freer hands to

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Speaker 1: go after Hesbla. Hesbela may not be able to prevent

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Speaker 1: an Israeli victory, but it will have a compelling interest

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Speaker 1: to turn it Puric and by that make it too

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Speaker 1: costly for Israel to extend it into Lebanon. So the

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Speaker 1: idea being, if Israel is too brutal in Gaza, Hezbela

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Speaker 1: will feel compelled to get more directly involved. You're already

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Speaker 1: seeing this sporadic fighting as it is. Hesbelah's involvement, in turn,

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Speaker 1: will bring Iran much more directly into the conflict. Aroun's

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Speaker 1: foreign ministers warned that unless Israel stops its attacks, the

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Speaker 1: war will be widened in Israel will suffer quote a

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Speaker 1: huge earthquake. Those are the comments that we were mentioning

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Speaker 1: before Iran and Hesbla's involvement will pressure Biden to intervene

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Speaker 1: despite clear US interest in staying out. There is little

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Speaker 1: in Biden's conduct that suggests he will prioritize America's long

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Speaker 1: term strategic interest over what is politically expedient for him

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Speaker 1: in the immediate term. Direct American military intervention in Gaza

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Speaker 1: or against HESBLA and Iran is all but certain to

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Speaker 1: generate major attacks against US troops throughout the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: So there is that's the chain of escalation that could

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Speaker 1: quickly get out of hand based on the actions that

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Speaker 1: all three of these parties are already taking in their

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Speaker 1: reas y.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, and just to again underscore about what I

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Speaker 2: was talking about previously with respect to Anthony Blincoln and

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Speaker 2: how he has been badly received in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: We are realigning old adversaries towards each other who are

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Speaker 2: united against US and against Israel by proxy. Put this

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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. For example, Iran's president and

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Speaker 2: the Saudi Crown Prince NBS spoke for the very first

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Speaker 2: time ever in history that did not happen as a

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Speaker 2: result of US diplomacy trying to get Saudi Israel. Instead,

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Speaker 2: we realigned the two of them where they agreed on

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Speaker 2: a call to watch what currently happens in the Gaza

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Speaker 2: strip and to come out against Israeli airstrikes, just to

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Speaker 2: give people an example of how these governments will be

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Speaker 2: either forced by their own policy or by their people

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Speaker 2: to respond to the actions that are inside and which

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Speaker 2: will absolutely impact US policy, US troops, even if we

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Speaker 2: don't end up in an actual nation state war, it's

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Speaker 2: a nightmare enough to be involved with na should state actors.

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Speaker 2: Ask anybody who fought against ISIS or AQI or any

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Speaker 2: of those others inside of Iraq, and it just means

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Speaker 2: more instability, more chaos, more likelihood of a domestic terror

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Speaker 2: attack here at home, which then invites more foreign intervention abroad.

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Speaker 2: All of these are parts of a very very vicious

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Speaker 2: cycle of which there absolutely is a major, major risk

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Speaker 2: right now ahead. And it's clear that the US policymakers

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Speaker 2: are either to inept or don't care, or are I

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Speaker 2: guess desirable for this sort of outcome based upon the

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Speaker 2: entire bipartisan system that in the way it's operating right now. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: you teased our focus group and how voters are thinking

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Speaker 2: about this. We've got James, our moderator, standing by and

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Speaker 2: an addition, will show you the clips.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, very excited to have some focus group

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Speaker 1: results to bring you all. We're going to bring this

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Speaker 1: to you all. This week they tackled a whole variety

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Speaker 1: of topics, but today we wanted to keep the focus

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Speaker 1: on Israel and gozen So joining us to break down

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Speaker 1: the results. We have James Johnson of Jail Parks Or,

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Speaker 1: who was there conducting the focus group.

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Speaker 4: Great to see Usar, thank you, great to see too,

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Speaker 4: fur So.

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Speaker 1: Keep in mind, guys, these were democratic base voters in

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Speaker 1: and around Atlanta. Let's take a listen to what they

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Speaker 1: thought about what's going on in Israel and Gaza.

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Speaker 12: I'm sure some of people have seen in the news

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Speaker 12: or something that's been dominating in the news recently. Is

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Speaker 12: with the events that have been happening in Israel, in

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Speaker 12: the Middle East, obviously in Gaza as well.

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Speaker 3: How closely, if at all, are you following this.

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Speaker 13: I was interested to see because I thought this could

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Speaker 13: be the first of a lot of bad things that

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Speaker 13: could happen in the Middle East, especially like was saying,

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Speaker 13: with Russia and Ukraine, and I feel like a lot

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Speaker 13: of things are often uneasy, And I was also worried

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Speaker 13: to see if this would lead to any kind of

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Speaker 13: anti Semitic or anti islam sentiments both in Western Europe

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Speaker 13: and the US outside of what was going on.

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Speaker 14: In the Middle East.

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Speaker 15: I try to look at both sides because it seems

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Speaker 15: like each side has been kind of hammering at the

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Speaker 15: other one for so long that it's hard to take sides.

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Speaker 15: I just feel really sad for the humanitarian crisis. I mean,

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Speaker 15: one point one million people being forced to leave their

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Speaker 15: homes and they have twenty four hours to do that.

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Speaker 15: Where are they going to go?

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Speaker 16: For me, I needed to educate myself more about the

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Speaker 16: history before, you know, trying to choose a side, because

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Speaker 16: I know through throughout, especially on social media, a lot

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Speaker 16: of people are taking side. So I took more of

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Speaker 16: the stance and was trying to educate myself about the

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Speaker 16: history of both countries to kind of get a better

872
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Speaker 16: understanding of like how did they get to this point today?

873
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 17: Probably innocent victims would be number one for me, some

874
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 17: concerns for America and also sadness for my Jewish friends.

875
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 18: I was watching and they was talking about all the

876
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 18: peoples that had died and how they did the children

877
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 18: and how they cut the babies and children heads off.

878
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 18: It was like kind of really disturbing. You know, what's

879
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 18: going on in the area is terrible. When is it

880
00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 18: gonna end or with?

881
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: What do you think Israel's response is going to be?

882
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 15: Now?

883
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 14: Well, I fear that we're going to escalate so that

884
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 14: more countries will have to get involved, and so it

885
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 14: will end up being something much more major and a

886
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 14: lot more people are going to die.

887
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 15: Well, I feel like Israel is always really hardcore when

888
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 15: it comes to defending themselves, and so they're gonna just

889
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 15: blast the Palestinians.

890
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 17: Retaliation was the first thought that came to my mind.

891
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: That's scary.

892
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 13: I'm worried that there's been a weird situation where Israel's

893
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 13: going to say that they haven't committed any war crimes

894
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 13: because they tell the people of Palestine they have twenty

895
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 13: four hours to move out when they don't have the

896
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 13: ability to do that, and then when civilians do die,

897
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 13: Israel's going to say that they didn't commit war crimes.

898
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 13: Obviously Palestine's going to say that they do. And it's

899
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 13: going to be a weird situation because Israel has the

900
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 13: support of the UN and Palestine doesn't. But palsin does

901
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 13: have the local support of it the entire region other

902
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 13: than Israel, and so I think it's going to end

903
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 13: up with even worse relations between the Western world in

904
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 13: Israel versus all of the rest of their reas.

905
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 12: If there is now an invasion of Gaza by Israel,

906
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 12: which is being talked about, I think it's being referred

907
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 12: to as a ground invasion and occupation. Is that a

908
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 12: reasonable response? Is that an unreasonable response from Israel? And why?

909
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 12: I mean, how do you feel about that?

910
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 17: That's so hard for me to say, because I don't

911
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 17: want anybody to be fighting. I don't want anybody to

912
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 17: be losing their lives. But you also have to people

913
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 17: have to protect their citizens too, So I.

914
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 14: Think there's a reasonable response. You should have stayed in

915
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 14: your place and not this alone. I don't think you

916
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 14: can go to the country's land and you know, do

917
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 14: that and not expect the response back.

918
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 18: We got to protect that says that not just for them,

919
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 18: that's for everyone. It is really just trying to stand

920
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 18: up and protect their people. You know they've been invaded,

921
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 18: So what do you do?

922
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 3: Do you do nothing?

923
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 19: Is just that?

924
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: Or do you fight?

925
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 12: Thinking specifically about how President Biden's responded to the crisis

926
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 12: so far, how do we feel you're doing well? You're

927
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 12: doing badly.

928
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 13: I saw the biggest worship we have in our navy movies,

929
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 13: the Air Force. It's the largest scholarship or so that

930
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 13: they have. They put it in the Mediterranean, and I

931
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 13: think that's a really good sign that we're there to support.

932
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 13: I wouldn't want him to take action against the Palestinians,

933
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 13: but I like that he's showing the US as a presence.

934
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 14: I agree that I don't want him to take action.

935
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 14: We have our own issues to deal with.

936
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 17: My opinion is he doesn't quite know what to do

937
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 17: yet or what to say. He's maybe still thinking everything

938
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 17: through it in the options and doing a wait and see.

939
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: Good thing. We're bad thing? To me, it's a good thing.

940
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 12: What role should the US play now? Should they be

941
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 12: trying to break a peace? Should they be supporting Israel militarily?

942
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 12: Should they be doing something else? What? What should the

943
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 12: US do in response.

944
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 18: Now continue to partake Israel because I think the majority

945
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 18: are blesses and I'm spiritual a lot, but I'm used

946
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 18: to kind of natural because I've been praying for Israel

947
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 18: since you know, God say me, so, I say they

948
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 18: gonna be He's gonna be full forced to protect Israel.

949
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 12: Costs, coasts, all costs.

950
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 3: It's no answer.

951
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 18: What you're gonna do to protect Israel.

952
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 17: I think the US now should also do what they

953
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 17: can to protect the innocent victims in Israel. I mean,

954
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 17: there's so many children, Yeah, and it's heartbreaking.

955
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: What does that mean though?

956
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 14: That mean?

957
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you're president, but what.

958
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: Does that mean?

959
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 4: It just goes back to my whole. I just don't

960
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 4: want there to be any more.

961
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 17: And if we I feel like, if we take a

962
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 17: super strong stance, it's not going to stop, and it's

963
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 17: going it's gonna get worse.

964
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 14: We go over there and like step in, it could

965
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 14: be a lot worse.

966
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 13: I think they should maintain the original borders that Israel

967
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 13: had to protect Israel, but also not have them push

968
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 13: a ground war into the Godsa Strip. If they need

969
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 13: to have a military presence to protect Israel, I would

970
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 13: get behind that, but moving anything into what currently or

971
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 13: as of two weeks ago, palaced in Inland, I think

972
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 13: is too far.

973
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 15: I don't think we should get involved militarily. I think

974
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 15: you mentioned something about broker in peace. I think that's important.

975
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 15: I think probably we would provide humanitarian aid for those

976
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 15: who have been displaced, help with the refugees, and kind

977
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 15: of dovetailing off of what he said, I think providing

978
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 15: intelligence and targeting Hamas because there's so many innocent people

979
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 15: who are involved in Just like in this country, everybody

980
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 15: wants to live a happy, peaceful life, and these folks

981
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 15: lives have been disrupted by this terrorist group. So just

982
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 15: like we targeted al Qaida, we need to go, you know,

983
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 15: target Hamas.

984
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 16: I mean the role that I would like them to

985
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 16: play is just to kind of just be like that

986
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 16: mediary like for both sides, so they can just get

987
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 16: to some time of peace or resolution, because in the

988
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 16: sense of like all these innocent lives on both.

989
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: Sides, they're dying.

990
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 16: They have nothing to do with this war and this conflict.

991
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 16: This was going on for years, so it's just unfair

992
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 16: to the general population on both sides of what's.

993
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 3: You know, happen to them now.

994
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 19: I just think that when you start getting involved and

995
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 19: then it's just gonna escalating, they may bring all of

996
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 19: that here. It's like, what's gonna bring peace?

997
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 3: What's gonna bring peace?

998
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 14: I think that we should provide some humanitarian aid, try

999
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 14: to broke your peace. But I also think we need

1000
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 14: to pay attention to the other regions of the world

1001
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 14: because I think they're watching us closer to see what

1002
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 14: the response is gonna be.

1003
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 12: Who would support in principle US military involvement.

1004
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 18: I think that you just gonna get in there and

1005
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 18: just wipe them out and be through with it, you know,

1006
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 18: to wipe out that people that's fighting again Israel. I

1007
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 18: think that I think he should be for is real

1008
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 18: at all.

1009
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 16: College cool, I guess, because right now what's happing on

1010
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 16: is just innocent people dying on both sides that are dying.

1011
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 4: So zach ceriance, you know, just to clarifying.

1012
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 18: Yeah, but we got the ready that we didn't start

1013
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 18: the war, you know, and we wasn't really a part

1014
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 18: of the war. The war wasn't for us, but by

1015
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 18: the United States standing for Israel. I think they need

1016
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 18: to stand for fourth.

1017
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 19: I'm just for peace. I just feel like, what would

1018
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 19: bring peace? You said nothing, no peace, But I don't

1019
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 19: agree with people dying.

1020
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: This is just the beginning of wars and roumans of wars.

1021
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 18: I mean, more stuff gonna happen that we don't see

1022
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 18: going on with Israel, and.

1023
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 13: I would support military involvement as long as they stay

1024
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 13: within the current borders of Israel West anyone.

1025
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 15: Else, I would just support sending in peacekeepers.

1026
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 3: I'd rather.

1027
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 14: Stay out of it, but if we had to, then.

1028
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 20: We have to.

1029
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 14: I'm thinking that a defensive posture for Israel would be okay.

1030
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 14: I wouldn't want to see us take any offensive action.

1031
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: I think the rest of the world is watching to

1032
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 3: see what we're going to.

1033
00:53:53,719 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: Do, really really interesting. Obviously you have a wide variety

1034
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: of views there. You know, people are saying, just want peace.

1035
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: I think Mary is in the front row, who you know,

1036
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: is very adamant, like we should get in there at

1037
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: all costs. What was the energy in the room because

1038
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: one of the things, honestly that I was struck by

1039
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: after you know, we spent so much time online seeing

1040
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: just the like insanely like outright genocidal talk and hatred

1041
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: and vitriol on both sides, that they were even able

1042
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: to have this conversation which is very emotionally fraught with

1043
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: a variety of opinions, in like a human, respectful kind

1044
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: of way.

1045
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's a reminder not to underestimate the public.

1046
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 12: You know, they are capable of having noticed these things

1047
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 12: and talking about it in an intelligent way. You saw

1048
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 12: a range of opinions there, as you say, Mary and

1049
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 12: a couple of others on the more strident side, others

1050
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 12: a bit more of the sort of view of well,

1051
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 12: there are both sides, we need to look at peace.

1052
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 12: I think two things run through that group as a whole.

1053
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 12: One was is that they're quite sort of up for

1054
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 12: being led on this issue.

1055
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: I took that away too, that if you had someone

1056
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: coming out make it a strong message or whatever the

1057
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: media is saying, you could see them being very swede

1058
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: by people that they trusted.

1059
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 12: On the issue exactly, and particularly if it came from Biden.

1060
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 12: We'll see later through the week. You know their views

1061
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 12: on President Biden. But actually there's a respect for him

1062
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 12: amongst this group, and they think they think of him

1063
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 12: an experienced figure who can sort of help lead them through.

1064
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 12: So certainly on that side. I think there is that

1065
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 12: leadership point. And the second thing that came through is

1066
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 12: that you know, this is the Democrat base in Atlanta.

1067
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 12: These are Democrat primary voters. Polling tends to show them

1068
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 12: being a little bit more on the liberal side of

1069
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 12: perhaps democratic leadership, and particularly Joe Biden. You saw here

1070
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 12: a more strident military role being called for by them

1071
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 12: than we've already even heard from the Biden administration so far.

1072
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 12: Even the more softly spoken members of that group were

1073
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 12: quite up for having US troops in Israel defending their

1074
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 12: current borders. So, you know, a much more strident view,

1075
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 12: perhaps a little bit unexpected if you looked at what

1076
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 12: the polling might say.

1077
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is fascinating.

1078
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why we like doing these and we

1079
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: like you being able to tease them out, is because

1080
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: we get to things here and see things that you know,

1081
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: not even in the public realm and not even necessarily

1082
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: how people would think comport with you know, supposed public

1083
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 2: opinion polling. What else did you notice in terms of

1084
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: the conversation, not just Israel, Gaza and all that, but

1085
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: their ability to disagree with each other. Where were the

1086
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: broad agreements and disagreements and what were the contours. Was

1087
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 2: it about media diet, was it age? Like where did

1088
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: you see these things start to break apart?

1089
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 12: I think there's an age element for sure. I think

1090
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 12: the younger and more people more likely to get news

1091
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Speaker 12: from sources other than cable news. There was a bit

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Speaker 12: more of a sort of openness to what perhaps was

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Speaker 12: going on the other side, that sort of both sides ism,

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Speaker 12: I suppose you sort of saw coming through there for

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Speaker 12: the younger groups, the older groups much more of a

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Speaker 12: sort of cultural affinity with Israel. And you saw that

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Speaker 12: exemplified by Mary so clearly. Yeah, you know, for her,

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Speaker 12: as she said, there, you know God and Jesus had

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Speaker 12: saved her, and she said, you know, she prays for

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Speaker 12: Israel in the same way that she prays to God.

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Speaker 12: So there's that cultural affinity for her there that perhaps

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Speaker 12: wasn't so clear in the younger groups. But look, another

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Speaker 12: thing that unified group was the horror and discuss of

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Speaker 12: what had happened. There was no sort of conspiracy theory

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Speaker 12: in there. There was no sort of sense that Israel

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Speaker 12: might have Mani placed these images, which is one of

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Speaker 12: the theory you know of one of the crazier conspiracy

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Speaker 12: theories going around online. There was a sense of, you know,

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Speaker 12: of real sort of abject horror what happened. And it's

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Speaker 12: interesting because that's quite different from what we see in

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Speaker 12: our UK focus groups. There there's a lot more sort

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Speaker 12: of doubt and conspiracy, and I think we see that

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Speaker 12: in Europe as well, and a lot more of a

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Speaker 12: sort of doubt about what what Israel are saying. I

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Speaker 12: think it comes down to that cultural affinity point, you know,

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Speaker 12: in the US and Israel stronger allies.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's absolutely right, and the media here

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Speaker 1: has consistently been much more pro Israel and has done

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Speaker 1: very little to ever centerity the humanity of Palestinian. So

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Speaker 1: you mentioned while we were watching, there was a real

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Speaker 1: conflation oftentimes of Humas and the Palestinian people, and a

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Speaker 1: number of participants you know, really didn't have a clear

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Speaker 1: line in their mind between these two groups. Another thing

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Speaker 1: that's stuck out to me as at odds with how

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration has positioned themselves is you had, you know,

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Speaker 1: the majority of the group saying we want peace, we

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Speaker 1: don't want war, we want to send in peacekeepers, we

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Speaker 1: want you know, we want negotiations, we want to plumac,

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Speaker 1: we want the US to be involved in that. Whereas

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Speaker 1: you had Kareem Jean Pierre as representative the Biden White

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Speaker 1: House saying calls for a ceasefire quote unquote repugnant. You

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Speaker 1: had a memo going out to State Department officials saying

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Speaker 1: we do not want you using words about ending the bloodshed,

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Speaker 1: ending the violence, restoring calm, or cease fire. So in

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Speaker 1: that way, the Biden administration appears to be very dissonant

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Speaker 1: with where a bulk of the group is, outside of

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Speaker 1: a few like Mary, who you know, was very clear

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Speaker 1: about how her faith is very much informing her view

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Speaker 1: of this conflict as well.

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Speaker 12: I think that's where we get, you know, public opinion

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Speaker 12: and policy rubbing up against each other. Some of the

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Speaker 12: people in the group who talks about the need for

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Speaker 12: peace and peacekeepers and you know, we just need to

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Speaker 12: make sure we minimize civilian lives. When I push them

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Speaker 12: on the how quite fairly, they didn't. They didn't know how,

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Speaker 12: And I think you know that that's where we're going

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Speaker 12: to see a bit of a bit of attention. The

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Speaker 12: other thing I felt about that group was it was

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Speaker 12: pretty they've got a very bleak view of where this

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Speaker 12: is going to head. There's no optimism in here.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you could have other than them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, But you know, they also thought that this would

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Speaker 12: spill into a potential global conflict, even potentially with the

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Speaker 12: US involved.

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Speaker 2: Right, James, how much are they paying attention? That's one

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Speaker 2: thing that struck me is I was like, wow, you know,

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Speaker 2: in the particularly the younger gentlemen, I was like, this guy

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Speaker 2: is reading the news. And I talk a lot about

1160
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Speaker 2: here on the show, the news is not centered for

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Speaker 2: the vast majority of people.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're going about their lives.

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Speaker 2: They may tune in every once in a while, but

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Speaker 2: this seemed like a pretty informed group. Now, of course

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Speaker 2: they are primary voters, they're probably going to be more

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Speaker 2: engaged than normal, but it did seem like they were

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Speaker 2: playing pretty close attention to the situation right now.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think this is one of these rare moments

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Speaker 12: where people turn on table news and they watched the

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Speaker 12: live footage. And I know that a couple of reporters

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Speaker 12: said that over the weekend last weekend, after the attacks,

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Speaker 12: they're on planes and they were seeing you know, sort

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Speaker 12: of twenty five fifty percent of people on the plane

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Speaker 12: watching the the live cable news you know shows which

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Speaker 12: they never has it. Yeah, right, So I think I

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Speaker 12: think this was this was one of those rare moments

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Speaker 12: where it's a cable news moment, and obviously that's not

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Speaker 12: go a hold, but I think that informs a bit

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Speaker 12: of what we saw that I think you're.

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Speaker 1: Right, James, just give us a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: preview of some of the other interesting divides that we're

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Speaker 1: going to be sharing with our audience here throughout the week.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely so, we sent it in on President Biden's leadership

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Speaker 12: as well as Kamala Harris. So we saw some really

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Speaker 12: interesting insights. I won't spoil it, but it might not

1186
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Speaker 12: be the best reading for Kamala Harris, the best listening

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Speaker 12: for for Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: Mary I heard had some strong people.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 12: Later we also did this fantastic exercise where we asked

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Speaker 12: the respondents to draw what they thought Biden would be

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Speaker 12: if he was an animal and Trump would be if

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Speaker 12: he was an animal. And we've got some great artwork

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Speaker 12: for you. That's such a cool you know what, It's

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Speaker 12: entirely down to one of my colleagues. I can't take

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Speaker 12: credit for this idea, but it was genius and it

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Speaker 12: tells you a lot about how they see the few candidates.

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Speaker 12: So lots more coming in store.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well, I just want to thank all of

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Speaker 2: us a premium subscribers. You guys enable us to be

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Speaker 2: able to do this news content that some other channels

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Speaker 2: are not doing. Jail partners James as well of course,

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Speaker 2: and shout out to Adam Duffy, a college newspaper guy

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Speaker 2: from Atlanta who helped out our crew as well. That's

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Speaker 2: from Griffin as well as all of our crew that

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Speaker 2: was able to travel down there to Atlanta. You guys

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Speaker 2: are the ones helping enable and pay for this, so

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Speaker 2: we thank you all very much. Breakingpoints dot com if

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Speaker 2: you are able and James, we are going to have

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Speaker 2: great content featured by you all over our channels being.

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Speaker 1: Great job leading these discussions and making people feel comfortable

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Speaker 1: expressing whatever it is their opinion is.

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Speaker 4: So thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, guying Absolutely It's not the last time

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Speaker 2: we'll be working together, so we'll see you again. At

1216
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Speaker 2: the same time, we are tracking global public opinion. There

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Speaker 2: have been massive protests all across the world. We can

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01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: show you some video from the here you can see

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Speaker 2: in London right in the middle of the UK.

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Speaker 3: This is in Cairo. Here we have New.

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Speaker 2: York City, we have continuing in Glasgow and Scotland. We

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Speaker 2: have Aman, Jordan. The Jordanian one in particular was massive.

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Speaker 2: This is in Lahore in Pakistan, Dublin in Ireland. These

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Speaker 2: been put together by Al Jazeerra Cape Town, South Africa,

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Speaker 2: where their president also voice support Baghdad.

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Speaker 3: In Iraq, Naples in Italy.

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Speaker 2: The point that we're trying to put together here, Crystal

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Speaker 2: is that yes, we've seen massive pro Israel protests of

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Speaker 2: course here in the United States, but a major highlight

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Speaker 2: from these is cities with large Islamic populations and then

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Speaker 2: also Islamic and Arab countries themselves, is seeing a huge

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Speaker 2: outpouring of protests for the Palestinian cause. The reason again

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Speaker 2: that this connects to our geopolitics segment that we did earlier,

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01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 2: is about dragging the US possibly further into the conflict,

1235
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Speaker 2: mobilizing much of the world against US if we do

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Speaker 2: not finesse our policy here very very carefully. It also

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Speaker 2: comes at a time when Western governments are really beginning

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Speaker 2: to crack down on dissent in their own countries put

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Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. We have a bit

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Speaker 2: of a mash up here. For example, from the Independent

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Speaker 2: flying a Palestinian flag in the UK quote may not

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Speaker 2: be legitimate according to their Home secretary. In France, they

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Speaker 2: have ordered a ban on all pro Palestinian protests from

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Speaker 2: the Interior minister themselves in order to quote clamp down

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Speaker 2: on anti Semitism. From Haretz, the Lacude Minister has formulated

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Speaker 2: an emergency regulation to imprisoned citizens who quote.

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Speaker 3: Harm national morale.

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Speaker 2: This is inside of Israel, to be clear, that's like

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Speaker 2: alien and sedition level stuff. And then even here I

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Speaker 2: gotta say not too happy about this one, Senator Josh

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Speaker 2: Holly calling for the DOJ to investigate student led pro

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Speaker 2: Palestinian groups on college campuses person all weaponization. The governments

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Speaker 2: really like to keep our FBI out of student groups.

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Speaker 2: Didn't go so well the last time that that happened,

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Speaker 2: even if you know any group in particular. And finally,

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Speaker 2: in terms of social media, it has been such a

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Speaker 2: nightmare for our team sifting what is true what is not,

1258
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Speaker 2: to try and frame everything and make sure and be like, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is from al Jazeero, So it's got a pro

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Speaker 2: Palestinian bias. Hey, this is from BBC or whatever from

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Speaker 2: the West, so it's got this type of bias. But

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Speaker 2: the problem is that we are seeing mass censorship now

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Speaker 2: applied on social media. We can put this up there,

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Speaker 2: for example, on the screen from Meta aka Facebook suspending

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Speaker 2: the page of the Kuds News network. That's a Palestinian

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Speaker 2: news organization that, to be clear, is affiliated with Hamas.

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Speaker 2: I'm not defending their affiliation or any of that, but

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Speaker 2: I do think it is important. As always, I spoke

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Speaker 2: up for our tea and I'll speak up for it now.

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Speaker 2: Is I want to know what these people are saying.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was a very important moment Chris, when

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Speaker 2: we played here on the show. That translated segment from

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Speaker 2: a HAMAS leader being like, hey, we're going to slaughter

1274
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Speaker 2: people if we don't see if we have air strikes

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Speaker 2: that continue. It's important to hear what the quote unquote

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Speaker 2: enemy or with the other side is saying, just to

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Speaker 2: be like, okay, this is what they're telling people in

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Speaker 2: terms of their internal communications. It is actually to be

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01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: able to see and to hear, and we can always

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Speaker 2: I think all of us are smart enough to take

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Speaker 2: things with a grain of salt and to sit here

1282
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Speaker 2: and to actually try and look at things in context.

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Speaker 2: And so to see the banning of this massive Facebook

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Speaker 2: page which was like a center for sharing information, I

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Speaker 2: understand why people are like, oh, but we have to crack.

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Speaker 3: Down on it.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, less information just

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Speaker 2: means we're more in the dark. And that's more that

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Speaker 2: we have to rely on, you know, somebody else's translation

1290
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Speaker 2: or somebody else's view of what's happening with this and this.

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Speaker 2: I just I really would venture to say, not a

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Speaker 2: single person on earth is going to be like pro Israel.

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Speaker 2: Then see a Goods News Network thing shared to their

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Speaker 2: page and be like, you know what, Nope, now I'm Palestinian.

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Speaker 3: But it's not how the world works.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's especially critical in a situation like this when

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Speaker 1: I mean there are very few journalists allowed into Gaza.

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Speaker 1: I mean in terms of getting actual information, video footage, etc.

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Speaker 1: From the ground, it is really important to have it

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Speaker 1: as many sources as we possibly can. And you know,

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Speaker 1: this is something we stood up for our Tea when

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Speaker 1: they were getting banned all over the place. Not that

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Speaker 1: we have any love for them, They're not full of

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Speaker 1: propaganda and all that stuff as well. So it's you know,

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Speaker 1: about applying a consistent principle here and this is not.

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Speaker 1: This is far from the first time that Facebook slash

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Speaker 1: Meta has worked directly with the Israeli government who told

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Speaker 1: them you need to censor or take down this and

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Speaker 1: that and the other group in a similar fashion that they,

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Speaker 1: you know, have also worked with the United States government.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure other governments around the world. I just want

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Speaker 1: to give you to give you a sense of how

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Speaker 1: wild and insane and heavy handed some of this censorship

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Speaker 1: has become. I mean, on its face, banning protests in France,

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Speaker 1: also in Germany, and this is not you know, we're

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Speaker 1: just going to ban like if you're pro Homa, no

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Speaker 1: any sympathize sympathy with the Palestinian cause.

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Speaker 4: That protest completely banned. That is wild.

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Speaker 1: This proposed regulation with in Israel, which there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of talk about, oh Israel, the Middle easterns, democracy, etc.

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Speaker 3: Etc.

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Speaker 1: Which you know, the Palestinians will live in Israel, may

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Speaker 1: beg to differ. But what is being suggested here is

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Speaker 1: that these regulations would allow the Communications Minister directly to

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Speaker 1: tell police to arrest civilians remove them from their homes

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Speaker 1: or seize their property if he personally believes that they

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Speaker 1: have spread information that could quote harm national morale or

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Speaker 1: serve as the basis for enemy propaganda. This was drafted

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Speaker 1: in consultation with National Security Minister in Amar Ben Gavier,

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Speaker 1: who is one of, if not the most extreme member

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Speaker 1: of Natanyahu's cabinet. It would apply to the general public

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Speaker 1: and the media as well as both local, local and

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Speaker 1: foreign media. Will also apply to the publication of factually

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Speaker 1: correct statements at the Minister's discretion. So it is the

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Speaker 1: most dystopian, big Brother nightmarish thing you can poss imagine

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Speaker 1: that is being proposed here. And you know, Soger, this

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Speaker 1: issue has always even when emotions intentions are not as

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Speaker 1: high as they are right now, this issue and how

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Speaker 1: you talk about Israel and Palestine, i would argue, has

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Speaker 1: always been the most central locus of quote unquote cancel culture,

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Speaker 1: especially when you consider explicit laws against supporting the DS

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Speaker 1: which have been enacted in a lot of states across

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Speaker 1: the country. When you see the number of jobs that

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Speaker 1: have been lost, calumnists have lost their jobs, you know,

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Speaker 1: university positions which have been canceled, et cetera. And and

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Speaker 1: we're about to get into this when you see the

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Speaker 1: reaction to that statement which I objected to, that Harvard

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Speaker 1: student groups put out. But it's not just hey, let's

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Speaker 1: you know, call it out and say we disagree. It's

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Speaker 1: we want to know who they are, we want to

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Speaker 1: dock them, we want to blacklist them for literally their

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Speaker 1: entire lives. That is the reaction to saying the quote

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Speaker 1: unquote wrong thing on this issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, we know a lot of people who are

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Speaker 2: pro Israel who are getting caught up in the moment

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Speaker 2: and who otherwise would not be for or would oppose

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Speaker 2: much of that type of action that is happening here

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Speaker 2: because they could also recognize that it would be very

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Speaker 2: easily used against them on a whole host of other

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Speaker 2: issues that they care about. Now, if you care about

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Speaker 2: this the most and trying to crack down on it

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Speaker 2: this at the time, but then you just have to

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Speaker 2: admit that you're really not for principles. And that's the

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Speaker 2: issue is we watched this happen with Russia. Remember at

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Speaker 2: that you know, in the invasion of Ukraine, we had

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Speaker 2: what the Russian tennis players that weren't allowed at Wimbledon,

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Speaker 2: we had like the banning of Russia. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: actually a restaurant near where I live which is a

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Speaker 2: Russian Uzbek cuisine. They took the word Russian off their side.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: You know here in Washington there was a famous restaurant

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Speaker 2: Russia House, where I think either it took its signed

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Speaker 2: down or something like that, which used to you know

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Speaker 2: again serve Russian food and drinks and all those things,

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Speaker 2: And now I don't believe, you know, advertises because they

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Speaker 2: were facing vandalism. This level of insan reminds me very

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Speaker 2: much of like the post nine to eleven period and

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Speaker 2: exactly what do we all look back on freedom Fries

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Speaker 2: as fucking stupid? Like, let's all be on really, I

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Speaker 2: cannot believe that this country ever backed the freedom Fries thing.

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Speaker 1: And that was the least of it. Think of the

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Speaker 1: national security state. Think of the Patriot Act. Think of

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Speaker 1: the surveillance of citizens that was justified by you know,

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Speaker 1: the horrific acts terror attacks of nine to eleven. Think

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Speaker 1: of what that allowed, the power that that allowed politicians

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Speaker 1: to grab in the name of national security. Think of

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Speaker 1: the way that the FBI was used to rather than

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Speaker 1: actually fighting crime, and keeping people safe, to entrap young

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Speaker 1: muslim Men so that they could have some big press

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Speaker 1: conference and some big steam of disrupting staying and disrupt

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Speaker 1: a terrorist attack that was never going to happen if

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Speaker 1: they weren't like radicalizing people and buying them, buying them

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Speaker 1: guns and give the money and convincing them that they

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Speaker 1: should conduct a terror attack. So do not underestimate the

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Speaker 1: insanity that can come with this type of justifiable upset

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Speaker 1: and emotion and desire for people to stay safe. And

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Speaker 1: we are seeing it spread like wildfire around the globe.

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Speaker 2: Just look, don't get caught up in the hysteria, you know.

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Speaker 2: And then, just the short amount of time you and

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Speaker 2: I have been doing the show, just this show Breaking Points,

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Speaker 2: We've lived through three major conflicts Afghanistan, Ukraine and now

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Speaker 2: Israel and Hamas, and we see a consistent period every time.

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Speaker 2: Both of our beliefs are very much rooted in the

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Speaker 2: insanity of the post nine to eleven world, and anything

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Speaker 2: that reminds me of that, I start to get very

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Speaker 2: very skeptical. I think it will generally serve you well

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Speaker 2: to keep that skepticism, especially when we're in the heat

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Speaker 2: of things and six months or seven months before you

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01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: can look back our six seven months later, you can

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Speaker 2: look back and be like, yeah, that was pretty silly.

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Speaker 2: So just try and avoid being that person.

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Speaker 3: To the next one.

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Speaker 2: This is a really fun discourse that has erupted that

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Speaker 2: I've watched, absolutely rip the right apart.

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Speaker 3: Where do we oppose canceler culture at.

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Speaker 2: All times or not especially whenever it comes to college students, Krystal,

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Speaker 2: I thought you and I had for a fun discussion

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Speaker 2: about this.

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Speaker 3: People can go watch it.

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Speaker 2: It was a post on our channel on Friday, and

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Speaker 2: a war has broken out by two conservative commentators. Let's

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Speaker 2: go and put this up there on the screen. First

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Speaker 2: was from Megan Kelly. She was actually responding to something

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Speaker 2: from a Vake Ramaswami, which will show you, but she

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Speaker 2: effectively is saying, quote that it is unable to persuade

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Speaker 2: college students that quote murdering babies is wrong. There's no

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Speaker 2: persuading them. We don't hire those who do the killing,

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Speaker 2: and we don't hire those who applaud killers while the

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Speaker 2: savagery is underway, if you are open to hiring one

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Speaker 2: of those lunatics, though, good to know. This actually was

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Speaker 2: responded to by Candice Owens. So let's put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. This is an important corollary to

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Speaker 2: her discourse. She says, Oh, stop it. This is incredible disingenuous, Megan.

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Speaker 2: You know that many of those students are not out

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Speaker 2: there because they want babies to be murdered.

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Speaker 3: College kids are stupid. I used to be radically pro choice.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't get put on a conservative black

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Speaker 2: pavist for wanting babies murdered. As it turned out, I

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Speaker 2: was just young and temporarily brainwashed from a public school

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Speaker 2: education coupled with mainstream Hollywood lies, and not because I

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Speaker 2: legitimately wanted to see inference torn from their mother's wombs.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Thomas Sole used to be a radical socialist who

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Speaker 2: ardently supported communism. Thankfully he wasn't put on a conservative blacklist,

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Speaker 2: and he was accused of being a person who wanted

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Speaker 2: worldwide suffering and starvation as socialism and communism bring. Students

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Speaker 2: are young and experimenting. You're an adult woman who's advocating

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Speaker 2: for their lives to be permanently pigeonholed because they have

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Speaker 2: the wrong ideas, which they are likely being spoon fed

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Speaker 2: in the classroom, and you know, I got to say.

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Speaker 3: I actually thought it.

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Speaker 2: Was an important kind of addendum to all of the

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Speaker 2: discourse around this, because I have watched people who I

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Speaker 2: think correctly have decried all of these efforts in the past,

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Speaker 2: absolutely sign on to this one now. I did, you know,

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Speaker 2: I made a comment previously about like trying to distinguished

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Speaker 2: between undergrad and law student, but especially with the undergraduate.

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Speaker 2: I think Megan is encompassing within that. I just you know,

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Speaker 2: absolutely oppose like anybody undergraduate who's involved in this. As

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Speaker 2: Candace said, people do and say a lot of stupid things,

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Speaker 2: you know, when they are young.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean.

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Speaker 2: They don't deserve to be employed, you know, later on

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Speaker 2: and follow this for them for the rest of their life.

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Speaker 2: And as Candace correctly says, people change their minds all

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 3: In fact, this will probably be a learning learning thing.

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Speaker 2: They're like, hey, I probably shouldn't just you know, co

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Speaker 2: sign whatever somebody puts in front of me for quote

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Speaker 2: unquote solidarity purposes. I should think for myself, that can

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Speaker 2: be a good lesson without having to then endure permanent

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Speaker 2: you know, professional blacklist.

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Speaker 1: Crews yah from some of the most powerful people in

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Speaker 1: the country, CEOs billionaires, conservative commentators, et cetera. Definitely, Just

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Speaker 1: so everyone's clear what we're talking about here, Can you

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Speaker 1: guys put D seven up on the screen the part

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Speaker 1: of this Harvard statement, because the when Meghan characterizes it,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like they were like, we want babies to

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Speaker 1: be murdered. The part that people objected to from the

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Speaker 1: Harvard student statement, which is there under the Instagram label

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Speaker 1: they're on the right. They say, we, the undersigned student organization,

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Speaker 1: hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.

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Speaker 1: As I said before. To me, that's insane, Like I

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Speaker 1: am perfectly comfortable criticizing the Israelis as I do their government,

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Speaker 1: the apartheid regime, the blockade, the war crimes. You can

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Speaker 1: do all of that and also say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: the terrorists in Hamas who massacred Israeli innocent civilians at

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Speaker 1: a music festival are also to blame.

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Speaker 4: They do share blame for the unfolding violence.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's my issue, but that's what they said,

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Speaker 1: they hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all unfolding months.

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Speaker 1: Look at this tear sheet in the New York Times

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Speaker 1: on the other side from opinion columnist Brett Stevens. Hamas

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Speaker 1: bears the blame for every death in this war. It's

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Speaker 1: the exact same logic what the Israeli government which is

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Speaker 1: decided to conduct this complete siege and deny all of

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Speaker 1: the innocent civilians within Gaza, water electricity, food, force a

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Speaker 1: million of them to evacuate in a humanitarian crisis, bomb

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Speaker 1: civilian infrastrure. They don't bear any blame for that, They

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Speaker 1: have no culpability. So that's allowed to be published in

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Speaker 1: the New York Times with zero controversy response, no problem whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: Harvard student groups.

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Speaker 1: Use the very same, completely flawed logic, and there is

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Speaker 1: an absolute vendetta out for these young people's heads of

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Speaker 1: we want you ducks, we want you blacklisted. We're funding

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Speaker 1: a truck to put your faces on it and say

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Speaker 1: you're anti Semites, to drive around the town. We want

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Speaker 1: you named and shamed and to be drummed out of

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Speaker 1: polite society forever. How do we feel about this conflict?

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Speaker 1: We need to have some space for grace and learning

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Speaker 1: and evolution and growth in this country. And that is

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Speaker 1: why I have always been opposed to this sort of approach.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's an issue I happen to have more sympathy for,

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Speaker 1: or if it's one I vehemently oppose because this is

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Speaker 1: a nightmarish direction to go in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's give credit where due. All of this

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01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 2: was sparked by Vivek Ramaswami, presidential candidate. Let's put this

1517
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. He put out this statement quote,

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01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 2: the Harvard students who co sign the anti Israel letter

1519
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: are simple fools. But it is not productive for companies

1520
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 2: to blacklist kids for being members of student groups that

1521
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 2: make dumb political statements on campus. Colleges are spaces for

1522
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 2: students to experiment with ideas, and sometimes kids join clubs

1523
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 2: that endorse boneheadedly wrong ideas. I have been as vocal

1524
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 2: as anyone in creditizing left wing cancel culture. But it

1525
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: is bad no matter who practices it. It wasn't great

1526
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 2: when people were wearing Trump hats were fired from work,

1527
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 2: and it wasn't great when college graduates couldn't get hired

1528
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: unless they have signed oppressive DEI pledges. It's not great

1529
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 2: now if companies refuse to hire kids who are part

1530
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 2: of student groups that once adopted the wrong views on Israel.

1531
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: This is not a legal point, it's a cultural point.

1532
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 2: I say, this is someone who vihently disagrees with those

1533
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: student groups. Those calling for blacklisting students right now are

1534
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 2: responding from a place of understandable hurt. But I am

1535
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: confident that in the fullness of time they will agree

1536
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: with me on the wisdom of avoiding these cancel culture tactics.

1537
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 2: And this also, as I said, is splintering much of

1538
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 2: the institutional right. Here's a good example here that we

1539
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: can put on the screen. Ben Dominic the husband of

1540
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,919
Speaker 2: Megan McCain and a prominent conservative commentator here in Washington.

1541
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 2: He says, quote, if Charlie Kirk remains the head of TPUSA,

1542
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 2: the right has an anti Semite problem that will follow

1543
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 2: them into coming elections. The real beef by Ben was

1544
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 2: Charlie bringing up Israeli intelligence failures and saying that he

1545
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 2: didn't want to wait until later and wanted to dwell

1546
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 2: on it right now. Charlie, for example, is having to

1547
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 2: fight back against this. Let's put this up there on

1548
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 2: the screen. He put out of this long tweet statement.

1549
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 2: For the last four years, I've been accused of being

1550
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 2: a Jewish shill sponsor three hundred people year to visit Israel,

1551
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 2: et cetera. We kicked out a Jew hater at an

1552
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: event we have successfully thwart at BDS campaigns.

1553
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 3: This type of libel is poison.

1554
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: You know nothing of what you speak except a two

1555
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 2: minute clip where I ask questions about the intelligence failures

1556
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 2: of the Israeli government which were reported by Axios and others.

1557
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: If stuff like this continues, Israel will lose support from

1558
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 2: a major faction of voices on the right support Israel,

1559
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 2: and you get called a Jew hater. This is a

1560
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 2: repugnant lie from the pit of hell. You should be ashamed.

1561
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 2: I think it just demonstrates once again the level of

1562
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: vitriol you know on the issue, and already seeing a

1563
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: splinter not only you know, much of the left, but

1564
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 2: also on the right. You know, in terms of trying

1565
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: to prove your bona fides about who is more pro

1566
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 2: Israel or not. None of this ends up standing in

1567
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 2: the long run, you know, in the long run, none

1568
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: of this ends up looking particularly good. So I did

1569
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 2: appreciate the comments by Candae and by Vivek, and also

1570
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: I do think at tracks to a foreign policy commitment.

1571
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: We didn't end up putting this into the show, but

1572
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 2: there was a big, you know, divine between you know,

1573
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro and Candace on this. Candace is like, I

1574
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,640
Speaker 2: think America should only care about our borders and not

1575
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:08,560
Speaker 2: get involved in the rest of the world, whereas Shapiro

1576
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 2: eviscerated you know, Tucker Carlson for effectively saying the same thing.

1577
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 2: He's like, well, we should care more about our border

1578
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 2: than we do about other countries. It's a very common sentiment,

1579
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 2: I think, and that itself will also further split apart

1580
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 2: the right should war come on the table, because the

1581
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: main criticism right now of Biden, if anything, from the

1582
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 2: institutional right is that he's not pro Israel enough and

1583
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 2: not willing enough to bomb Iran or get involved in

1584
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 2: a conflict. So this is the same ideological fissure I

1585
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 2: think that exists on that.

1586
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's nice to see that there are

1587
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: a few people who are trying to remain consistent with

1588
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: some sort of principle, because it's rare that you see that.

1589
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 1: You know, oftentimes people when it's their side that's being canceled,

1590
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: they care a lot. When it's something they disagree with,

1591
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: suddenly they're really silent. And this issue in particularn't Israel bad?

1592
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: This has always been like the main area of silence

1593
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: on the right when it comes to cancel culture, because

1594
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 1: this is an insistent thing that comes up, as I said,

1595
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:06,120
Speaker 1: even when you're not in incredibly heightened moments. So you know,

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01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 1: as much as there was and continues to be a

1597
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,520
Speaker 1: lot of censorship around views on the Russia Ukraine situation,

1598
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: certain things you're really not allowed to say. You'd be

1599
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 1: branded as the Putin puppet, and Cumlin a poll of

1600
01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff, it really is magnified and amplified

1601
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: on this issue where there are so many deep personal

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01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: connections and ties and just a lot of very very

1603
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: fraught and understandable, frankly emotions here as well.

1604
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, and it also highlights the height of

1605
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: emotions and the real reckoning that's happening inside of Israel.

1606
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: Let's get to this because this is a story that

1607
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 2: is not being properly reported by the American press. There

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01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: is far more descent, vitriol and debate inside that country

1609
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: than there is in this country, which remains shocking to me.

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01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: And just to show you from the Jerusalem Post, which

1611
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 2: is a right wing publication by the way inside of Israel.

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01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: Put this up there on the screen. Eighty six percent

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01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: of respondents in the Jerusalem Post poll, including seventy nine

1614
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 2: percent of the Coalition government supporters, said that the attack

1615
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,879
Speaker 2: from Gaza is a failure of the country's leadership.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: A staggering ninety two percent said that the war is

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01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 2: causing anxiety. And furthermore, all the respondents ninety four percent

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01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 2: believe the government must bear some responsibility for the lack

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01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: of security preparedness that led to the assault, over seventy

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01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,520
Speaker 2: five percent saying the government holds most of the responsibilities.

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01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 1: That was the thing Charlie Kirk was trying to take

1623
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: exact us to be and.

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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 2: The rest of it, as can you put it back

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01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: up there on the screen, please, just because I want

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01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 2: people to be able to see that as I read,

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01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 2: Netanyahu must resign, most Israelis say. New survey from six

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01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty Israelis from across the country found that

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01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 2: the majority of respondents believed he should resign following the

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01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 2: conclusion of the next operation quote a slim majority fifty

1631
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: six percent, but still twenty eight percent of Coalition view

1632
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 2: voters agreed, and fifty two percent said that the Defense

1633
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: Minister himself must also resign.

1634
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 3: That highlights just the.

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01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: Immense amount of anger inside the country against the security

1636
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 2: establishment for which they have given up their children. They

1637
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: have given up years of their life in the IDF,

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01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: They've given up all civil liberties that they ever had,

1639
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 2: or even had a pretense of. They gave up so

1640
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: much for the promise of being kept safe, which is

1641
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 2: what bebe ran on over and over and over again,

1642
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 2: and people have taken to the streets. Here is one

1643
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 2: example of a foreign correspondent from ABC News in the

1644
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:34,919
Speaker 2: midst of one of these protests.

1645
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:35,799
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 21: I think the concern is that if there is a

1647
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 21: significant ground incursion into Gaza, film that they're going to

1648
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 21: lose those hostages. Hamas has honeycombed all of Gaza with

1649
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 21: these tunnels. That's where they keep the militants, That's where

1650
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 21: they keep the rockets in their weapons. That's where it's

1651
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 21: believed they are keeping all.

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01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 3: Of the hostages.

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 21: They are the most valuable commodity in all of Gaza

1654
01:23:59,240 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 21: right now.

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01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 3: And I want to see what's going on here.

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01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 21: There appears to be a protest breaking out, some.

1657
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 3: Anger with police.

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01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 21: Looks like they're taking over the road. I'm not exactly sure,

1659
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 21: but the anger here is that not enough is being

1660
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 21: done about the hostages, and Israel seems to be willing

1661
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 21: to fight in Gaza but not bring these people home.

1662
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 21: And basically, to a person here, we've been told that

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01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 21: everybody is willing to give up the ten eleven thousand

1664
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 21: Palestinian prisoners being held in Israel in exchange for the

1665
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,839
Speaker 21: one hundred and fifty or so, and that includes the Americans.

1666
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 21: Of course, we're trying to figure out what's going on,

1667
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 21: but tensions have been.

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01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 3: High all afternoon.

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01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 21: At one point protesters here tried to block the entrance

1670
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 21: and there's a truck that kind of nudged up against them.

1671
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 21: Now they've taken over the street.

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01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 3: Right now, there you go.

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01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you could see that was literally in the

1674
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: streets of Tel Aviv. And what he's pointing out is

1675
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of concern in Israel about the hostages.

1676
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: This is something I highlighted last time around. But it's

1677
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 2: important to remember the Israeli population was very supportive of

1678
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 2: Bibie whenever he traded almost i believe Hamas or Palestinian

1679
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 2: prisoners for a single Israeli soldier, and it was because

1680
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:09,520
Speaker 2: people there all have a direct connection. They see themselves

1681
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,800
Speaker 2: and their children in the eyes of the kids who

1682
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,920
Speaker 2: in many cases you know, do not even necessarily want

1683
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: to serve in the military, who do end up there.

1684
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: And then the last thing, you know, we debated putting

1685
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 2: this into our show, but just to explain before we

1686
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 2: play it is we don't want to say that this

1687
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 2: is all of Israeli sentiment, but again we want to

1688
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 2: play a voice of an Israeli American who has a

1689
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 2: very different view of how the government should respond to

1690
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: this conflict, just to show you not everybody inside of

1691
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 2: Israel is, you know, clamoring for blood in Gaza. This

1692
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: was during an interview with CNN, and keeping in mind

1693
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 2: this is a person who lost a member of his

1694
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 2: family actually in the attack from Hamas.

1695
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

1696
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 20: What I wanted to say is the most important for me,

1697
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 20: and I think also for my brother was that his

1698
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 20: death won't be used to kill innocent people. And sadly,

1699
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,040
Speaker 20: my government are my government is using cynically the best

1700
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 20: of people to just kill like they promised us it

1701
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 20: was going to bring. It's going to bring us like security,

1702
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 20: But of course it's not security because they always tell us,

1703
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 20: oh that if we're going to kill n F Palestinians

1704
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 20: or they're gonna so it's going to be better for us.

1705
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 20: But of course it never brings us peace and it

1706
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 20: never brings us better lives. It just brings more and

1707
01:26:25,479 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 20: more terror and more and more people killed like my brother,

1708
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 20: and I don't want anything to happen to people, and

1709
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 20: guys are like it happens the way brother, and I'm

1710
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 20: sure he wouldn't have any either. So that's my call

1711
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 20: to my government to stop killing instant people and that's

1712
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,840
Speaker 20: not the way that brings us peace and security tool

1713
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 20: people in israelm that's a very.

1714
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 2: Courageous statement by somebody who just lost their brother in

1715
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 2: a terrible terrorist attack. And yeah, again, look there are

1716
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 2: also a lot of people whose relatives were killed who

1717
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 2: are like, wipe them off the face of the earth,

1718
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: let's kill them all. So we're not pretending that's the

1719
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 2: majority sentiment, but I do think it's important for people

1720
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 2: to understand, you know, Israel is a country just like

1721
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: anybody else, with a lot of different people, and they're

1722
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,639
Speaker 2: having a lot of descent and a lot of debate

1723
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 2: over there. No, overwhelmingly they agree both that something needs

1724
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 2: to be done and that the government is to blame.

1725
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: So let's follow their lead and actually talk about it

1726
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:17,240
Speaker 2: in a nuanced way.

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01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yahoo.

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Speaker 1: In the wake of these attacks, where as you can

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Speaker 1: see from these numbers, he is overwhelmingly being blamed for

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Speaker 1: the failure of the.

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Speaker 4: Response and anticipation.

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Speaker 1: We now know that he was directly warned at least

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Speaker 1: by Egyptian intelligence, also appears by US intelligence. Also to

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01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: appears his own intelligence services picked up some signs Hamas

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01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: was out there doing wargames, and they're like, I think

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Speaker 1: this is fine. It had been his strategy, his stated

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01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: strategy over years to sort of prop up Hamas as

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01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: a way of foiling any efforts at establishing an actual

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01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: Palestinian state. He found them to be a useful adversary.

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Speaker 1: So in the wake of all of this, with Ra

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01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 1: among so many of the citizens of Israel, we played

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01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: for you, you know, one of the cabinet ministers getting screamed

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01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 1: at and kicked out of a hospital by the people

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01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,839
Speaker 1: there who were absolutely irate. Nanya, who has been really

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01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: pretty silent, not taking questions from press because he doesn't

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01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 1: want to have to face any of these very difficult questions.

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01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: Doing very little and saying very little about the families

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Speaker 1: who have loved ones who are being held hostage right now,

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01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: certainly seems to be no openness to that sort of

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Speaker 1: negotiation to try to bring those hostages home safely. Now, again,

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01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 1: it is the fault of AMAS that they are holding

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Speaker 1: these hostages.

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Speaker 4: They should release them.

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Speaker 1: It is barbaric and it is inhumane, and it is

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01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: insane that they are doing so.

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Speaker 4: But the Israeli people see that the.

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Speaker 1: Government is not doing anything to really try to bring

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01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 1: their loved ones home, very emotional issue, and as I said,

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01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: you know, apparently they've looked more to Joe Biden for

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01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: leadership in the wake of these attacks than they have

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Speaker 1: their own Prime minister.

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01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 4: Biden giving that big.

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Speaker 1: Speech, it was watched by a huge proportion of the

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Speaker 1: Israeli public. Natanyahuo doing nothing similar and as I said,

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01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: not making himself available to the press for any sort

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01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: of questioning on these failures. So you know, there is

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01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: a real there are peers from the outside. We're not there,

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01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: so we can only say what we're seeing from these

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01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: opinion polls and from the media. Eclips and coverage. But

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01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 1: there appears to be a real rally around the flag,

1771
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: as you would expect, but also a sort of unity

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01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: in opposition of Netanyahu in the direction that he has

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01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: taken the Israeli government in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, and that's important because we didn't

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01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 2: have that after nine to eleven, and it led to

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01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 2: a lot of massive mistakes. We you're both rallied around

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01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 2: the flag and then the guy we elect present and

1778
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 2: we didn't end up questioning that for a long time,

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01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 2: and by that time there were hundreds of thousands of

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01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 2: people who were dead, including many US soldiers. So I

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01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 2: would just hope and I would pray that many people

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01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 2: inside Israel don't make the same mistake that we did.

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01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,759
Speaker 2: You can rally around your flag and you could protect

1784
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 2: our news while also recognizing that your politicians are not

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01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 2: always the same people behind that flag.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's move on to some media coverage here,

1787
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 1: because this is an important piece of the story of censorship,

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01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: of the way that this conflict is portrayed, of who

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01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: is granted humanity in this conflict and who is not.

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Speaker 1: Put this up on the screen. This was a bombshell

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Speaker 1: report from Semaphore. The headline here from Max Tanny is

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01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: inside MSNBC's Middle East conflict. He reports that MSNBC has

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01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: quietly taken three of its Muslim broadcasters out of the

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01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 1: anchors chair since Hamas's attack on Israel last Saturday, among

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01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 1: amid America's wave of sympathy for Israeli terror victims. The

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01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:52,680
Speaker 1: specifics here, which I'm going to tell you, MSNBC vehemently disputes,

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01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: but I think it's pretty hard to deny when you

1798
01:30:54,920 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: see Ali Velshi, Mehdi Hassan and Amon Moyaltein all taken

1799
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 1: out of their normal anchor chair slots, pretty undeniable. There

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01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: is something going on here. So they didn't air a

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01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: scheduled Thursday night episode of the Medi Hassan show on Peacock.

1802
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: They reversed a plan for Aiman to fill in on

1803
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: the network for host Joy Reads seven pm primetime show

1804
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 1: on Thursday and Friday. They say, loyalty and Egyptian American

1805
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: journalists and veteran NBC News correspondent covered the conflict from

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01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: Gaza for two years. Wouldn't she think that the guy

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01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: who was in Gaza for two years covering this conflict

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01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: might have something to add to your coverage, one might

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01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: think so.

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01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 4: In twenty twenty one, they point out.

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Speaker 1: He aggressively question is Raley leaders on strikes in the territory.

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01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: Two network sources with knowledge of the plans told Semaphore

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01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,679
Speaker 1: the network also plans to have Alisia Menendez, Bob andn Ededez'

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Speaker 1: daughter fill in this upcoming weekend for ali Velshi, a

1815
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: third Muslim American host who on Sunday interview to spokesman

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01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:55,560
Speaker 1: for the Palestinian authority. So all three of those sidelined

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01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: from their normal anchor chair slots. No, let me tell

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01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 1: you their side. Ali Velshi has actually been on the

1819
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: ground Israel reporting. He is now back in the US,

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01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 1: but rather than being put in his normal time slot

1821
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: on his own, he was co hosting with Alex Witt. Now,

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01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: if you've worked in this industry, you know that there

1823
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,479
Speaker 1: is a big difference between being a guest and being

1824
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: a co host and having your own show that you

1825
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: get to pick the guests, the line of questioning, the

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01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:22,799
Speaker 1: way stories are framed, the elements that are drawn from,

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01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: very big difference. So they also say, you know aim

1828
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: In and Maddie, they've been on the network as guests, etc.

1829
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:28,439
Speaker 4: Etc.

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01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,879
Speaker 1: Very different from being a host of your own program.

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01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 1: In addition, outside of sidelining three of the individuals who

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01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:39,759
Speaker 1: have the most in depth knowledge, by the way, also

1833
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: of this conflict and the history and all of that.

1834
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: There's also been a lot of internal uproar that they

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01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:46,920
Speaker 1: reported on.

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Speaker 4: In this piece as well.

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01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 1: So there was an event that was created to quote

1838
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: here updates about the situation in Israel and a place

1839
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,719
Speaker 1: to share family and friends stories from on the ground.

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01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Noting that there would be a rabbi in attendance, One

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01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: of the producers for Ali Velci's show asked in this

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01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: internal communication, why is there no Palestinian representation? The response

1843
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: from the organizer, which tagged NBC's HR director, So, going

1844
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 1: to the HR director, this is not about Palestinians and

1845
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:22,639
Speaker 1: Jesus raleies. This is about terrorists and Jesus rallies. Anyone

1846
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: entering this group needs to denounce terror and what happened

1847
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Claims of freedom fighting, rationalizations, really anything not

1848
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 1: explicitly and unequivocally about being supportive during this difficult time.

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01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:35,960
Speaker 4: These do not belong here.

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01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: And Velshi's producer said that that same employee sent him

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01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 1: a private message including some quote incredibly offensive boy things.

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01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 1: So it is getting ugly over there at MSNBC.

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01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I mean they I just think it's so

1854
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 2: funny to watch because all of this is things that

1855
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 2: they accuse others of doing. All of this demonstrates their

1856
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 2: one sided nature. But more so, it just shows you

1857
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,440
Speaker 2: who they really take their orders from, and that's the ADL.

1858
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:08,320
Speaker 2: How can we forget that the ADL president appeared on

1859
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 2: their network, looked straight into the camera and gave them orders,

1860
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 2: and then they followed those orders only hours afterwards. Well,

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01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:18,759
Speaker 2: relive that from last week. Let's take a listen.

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01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 22: I must say, I love this show and I love

1863
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,000
Speaker 22: this network, but I've got to ask who is writing

1864
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 22: the scripts Hamas the people who did this. They are

1865
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 22: not fighters, Jonathan, they are not militants, and I'm looking

1866
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 22: right at the camera. They are terrorists. So I just think, like, guys,

1867
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 22: get this story right, and all these pictures of like

1868
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:46,719
Speaker 22: you know, missiles or the rubble in Gaza, please talk

1869
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 22: to the Israeli mothers and fathers who lost their children,

1870
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:58,440
Speaker 22: talked to the grandchildren whose grandparents were seized as hostages,

1871
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,600
Speaker 22: and please stop up calling this a retaliation.

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01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 2: Wow, So guys, get the story right, who's writing the scripts.

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01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 2: Those are all vary, by the way, very intentionally, I

1874
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 2: think used words, and considering now the fallout from that,

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01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 2: it does show you that they are absolutely listening to

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01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 2: the ADL in terms of that criticism.

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01:35:19,880 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 3: We had talked.

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01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 2: I remember after that and I was like, I was like,

1879
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 2: I said, I think to you, I said, I think

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01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 2: they're going to take them off the airs.

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01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:26,599
Speaker 3: Oh and so there's no way.

1882
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 4: Felt very confident that they would be, and they did.

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01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 2: What's really crazy is how quickly that they did it.

1884
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,719
Speaker 2: As you laid out, I mean to reschedule people, keep

1885
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 2: them all up in the air. We don't know what's

1886
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 2: going to happen. And with all of that, that's a

1887
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 2: very clear sign. It also just shows you even when

1888
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 2: they come back, you think they're going to say the

1889
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 2: same thing. You think they're going to say what they

1890
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 2: think these people, and look on a personal level, I

1891
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 2: get these people, they love kids, you know all that.

1892
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 2: By the way, I can't even stand Mehdihas. I really

1893
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 2: despise him that said I will speak up for him.

1894
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it's right, you know, for somebody to

1895
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 2: be taken off for their views on something like this,

1896
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 2: and I especially think it's egregious for them to do

1897
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 2: so at the behest of a direct lobbying organization and

1898
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 2: not actually even attempt to try and try and tell

1899
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 2: a fulsome story.

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01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,640
Speaker 3: Something that even CNN has been able to do in

1901
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 3: this conflict.

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01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: I have disagreements with Mehdi has On. He's one of

1903
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: the few anchors on MSNBC that ever actually challenges Democrats

1904
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 1: and has shown more courage on certain issues than virtually

1905
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: any other host there. But you know the other there's

1906
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: there's so many things here. I mean, we last week

1907
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 1: after that ADL dude said what he said, We played

1908
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: for you the commentary that sparked those comments, and it

1909
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,719
Speaker 1: was none of it was like Hama's talking point.

1910
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 3: It was not beyond the pailout.

1911
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 4: Not at all.

1912
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 1: No one was saying it's really civilians deserve to die

1913
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: and this is what they get and they're freedom fighters

1914
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 1: and I justify this, you.

1915
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 4: Know, murdering Abate.

1916
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: No one was saying that. You had Mehdi who was

1917
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: talking about Listen, you got two point two million people

1918
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 1: in Gaza nearer majority of them are children, helping people

1919
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: understand the reality of what's going on. Here, and it

1920
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:01,639
Speaker 1: drives you every time I hear that, because he says

1921
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: the ADL guy, he says, go out and interview the

1922
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: mothers who lost their children, and MSBC has done that,

1923
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 1: but he does not want the Palestinian mothers interviewed. He

1924
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: does not want the images of rubble. He wants them

1925
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: to quote, get the story right. And at a network

1926
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 1: that really talks a big game about diversity, suddenly they're

1927
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:26,799
Speaker 1: pushing are there any other Muslim men who are anchors

1928
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: at that network? Or have they sidelined literally all of

1929
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 1: them at this point.

1930
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: At this point, their best bet is to just play

1931
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 2: identity politics and being like you're silencing people of colors void,

1932
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 2: which why do we have to phrase it that way too?

1933
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 3: I actually the.

1934
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: Fact that they have backgrounds in the region I was

1935
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: knowledge of and reporting on the ground in the region.

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01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:47,799
Speaker 4: That's a valuable asset.

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Speaker 3: That's my Yeah.

1938
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 2: For me, It's like I don't care whether Amon is

1939
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 2: a Muslim or not. I care that he spent some

1940
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 2: time in Gaza, so I'm like, Okay, I want to

1941
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 2: hear what he has to say.

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01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 3: I don't know that many people have been to Gaza.

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to get to, especially for a man

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Speaker 2: American citizens who are journalists. I believe he's Egyptian, so

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Speaker 2: he has some background that he can give some there

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: That's great.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to hear from. I want to

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Speaker 2: hear from people, anybody who has spent significant time there.

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Speaker 2: That's really what the disservice is, as opposed to what

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Speaker 2: somebody is in New York who's never even been to

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Speaker 2: the region. I mean, how can you possibly give context?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I rely on a lot of my experience

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East and even in Israel as well,

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Speaker 2: just to try and inform some of the commentary that

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Speaker 2: I bring here. I like to think that it's helpful

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Speaker 2: for people. And yeah, I just can't imagine you being

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Speaker 2: taken off from that in lieu of whatever the political

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Speaker 2: preferences are.

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Speaker 3: Have said bosses, but that's why we don't have bosses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're doing special primetime coverage at the network.

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Speaker 1: Have these guys been included, right, people who have actually

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Speaker 1: Amon spent two years on the ground of Gaza. Has

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Speaker 1: he been included? You think his thoughts might be useful

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Speaker 1: for people to hear and understand what life is like there. No,

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Speaker 1: he has been excluded from that coverage. So it is

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Speaker 1: very interesting to watch in real time the way that

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Speaker 1: these stories are shaped and how, you know, anyone that

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Speaker 1: might have a dissident view or something else that they

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Speaker 1: could bring to the table. They're not you know, they're

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Speaker 1: not fired, they're not completely censored.

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Speaker 4: They're still allowed to be a guest.

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Speaker 1: But they're going to be they're going to be rained in,

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Speaker 1: they're going to be managed, they're going to make sure

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Speaker 1: that they can stay in their lane.

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Speaker 4: And we have another perfect.

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Speaker 1: Example of the way that the media covers this conflict.

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Speaker 4: This is this is really, this was wild. Put this

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Speaker 4: up on the screen. Reuter's.

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Speaker 1: A Reuter's video journalist was killed and six other journalists

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Speaker 1: were also injured in an Israeli strike.

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Speaker 4: In southern Lebanon.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you could say, look, technically, maybe

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Speaker 1: it came, but they they're headline here isn't Reutter's journal

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Speaker 1: is killed by and is really strike killed in Lebanon

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Speaker 1: in missile fire from the direction of Israel. Okay, from

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Speaker 1: the direction of Israel. Their own person was killed and

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Speaker 1: they can't even say how or why. Now imagine that

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Speaker 1: it was a Hamas rocket that killed this Reuter's journalists, You.

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Speaker 4: Think they have any qualms?

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Speaker 1: You think they need to launch a nine month investigation

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Speaker 1: to figure out what happened and be able to tell

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Speaker 1: the public how and why their own journalist was killed.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they would have any problems with that?

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Speaker 2: Of course, Look, nobody thinks that they wanted to do it.

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Speaker 2: They didn't intentionally do it. It's a war zone, and

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Speaker 2: it's terrible that had happened. It was fired by Israels

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Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, the Israeli's fired a rocket and

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Speaker 2: a killed one of our journalists. We condemned this, and

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Speaker 2: we urge the military to be more careful with indiscriminate rockets.

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Speaker 3: They're being fired into Southern lovet. Why is this difficult?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's not difficult.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to just sit there and soothe everybody's feelings.

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Speaker 2: But most likely they did it, Crystal, because they don't

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Speaker 2: want get kicked out of Israel.

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Speaker 3: You know, they don't want.

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Speaker 2: The Israeli government to retaliate against the Reuter's journalists. And yeah, like,

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Speaker 2: as you said, either the direction of it from the

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Speaker 2: direction like you just say it it's fine, it really is.

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Speaker 3: You know, people will be like, yeah, stuff happens in

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Speaker 3: the middle of a war. It's terrible. That's why it's awful.

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Speaker 2: Whenever any journal was killed in any conflict zone, and

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Speaker 2: it is a day. It is a job oftentimes that

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Speaker 2: is fraught with risk, as we've had journalists who have

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Speaker 2: been killed in Ukraine, We've had journalists killed before, you know,

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Speaker 2: in Iraq and many.

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Speaker 3: Of these other types of places.

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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to morally equivocate, it's just being honest

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Speaker 2: and straight up with people is the only and the

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Speaker 2: best way I think to operate with this, and it

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Speaker 2: does a disservice. And also can you imagine being the

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Speaker 2: family and the guy who was killed, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: you can't even say something like that, but these are

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Speaker 2: people who employed you, and you were you were you know,

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Speaker 2: you died whenever you were just trying to do your

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Speaker 2: job pointing a camera. I'm sure you knew, you know,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of what you were getting into. You

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Speaker 2: didn't think you were gonna die. So I just think

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Speaker 2: it's awful you know that this happened, and that they

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Speaker 2: just try and downplay it like this. So look, we're

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Speaker 2: trying our best here as well. And I like to

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Speaker 2: think that you know, we genuinely are trying to provide

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Speaker 2: a relatively like or at least like a zoomed out

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Speaker 2: view of a conflict through which people who are new

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Speaker 2: to this can try and wrap their heads around all

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Speaker 2: the complex nature and the unfortunate thing I think that

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Speaker 2: happens in situations like this is they zoom in onto

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Speaker 2: a single part and they try to pretend that this

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Speaker 2: all just happen. And look, I understand that, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe in the first four hours, but we're a week

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Speaker 2: almost into this, and we're on the precipice of a

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Speaker 2: major war in the Middle East, and that is when

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Speaker 2: I would hope cooler heads try to prevail, although unfortunately

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Speaker 2: I don't see a way there, given the way that

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Speaker 2: our political establishment is, given the way that Hamas has

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Speaker 2: decided to behave, and given the way that the Israeli

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Speaker 2: government has decided to behave, and what we always try

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Speaker 2: to speak up for here are like innocent people who

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Speaker 2: get caught up in these because every conflict, no matter

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Speaker 2: if it's just or not, has led to colossal losses

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Speaker 2: of life, especially in the modern era, and it's something

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Speaker 2: that we have tried as a state to always try

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Speaker 2: to move past and fortunately we just keep moving right

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Speaker 2: back to where things are, which is why war itself

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Speaker 2: is so awful.

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Speaker 1: I just deeply fear that we learned nothing from our failed, disastrous, brutal,

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Speaker 1: horrific response to nine to eleven.

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Speaker 4: It seems like we learned nothing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the same type of rhetoric, the same type

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Speaker 1: of you know, unchecked, this desire for revenge with no

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Speaker 1: plan for Okay, what comes after the revenge?

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Speaker 4: What is next? What is the goal?

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Speaker 1: How do we actually achieve peace and security for you know,

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Speaker 1: Israelis and for Palestinians. I just that's the piece that

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Speaker 1: the demands for censorship, the shaping of the narrative, all

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Speaker 1: of these things feel so like such a flashback to

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Speaker 1: that time. And so, you know, try to think about

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Speaker 1: what we learned from those mistakes, try as best we

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Speaker 1: can to apply them to the current situation, which is

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Speaker 1: always difficult when you've just watched this absolute monstrous slaughter

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Speaker 1: of innocent civilians. So that's, you know, that's what we're

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Speaker 1: trying to do here, as best we can, is not

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Speaker 1: only bring you exactly what's happening on the ground, but

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Speaker 1: also situated in terms of the past, in terms of

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Speaker 1: the risks for the future, so you know, we're going

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Speaker 1: to continue to cover it as best we can. As

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Speaker 1: you guys have seen, we've kind of gotten all in

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Speaker 1: on this because I think it is such an important moment,

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Speaker 1: potentially really pivotal moment, and so we're going to continue

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Speaker 1: to bring you as extensive coverage as we possibly can.

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Speaker 1: We also, though, have you know, additional focus groups that

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Speaker 1: we can bring to all of you this week. And

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Speaker 1: thank you so much again to all of you who

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Speaker 1: have enabled all of this work.

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Speaker 4: We are incredibly grateful.

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Speaker 2: It means a lot to us as us and the crew.

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