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Speaker 1: Greg co Sell stop by in one hour from today.

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite fifteen minute segments every football season.

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Speaker 1: We do it on Thursdays. J Mac, you used to

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Speaker 1: Like there's like serious stories here. It's sourced. And I

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Speaker 1: college sports for truly gifted athletes, like a Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: It's like that first really cool apartment you live in

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Speaker 1: you forget about it really quickly. Arch Manning made six

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Speaker 1: Arch Can I can I interest you in a forty

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Speaker 1: not being honest, you know, when you're really important Sometimes JD.

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Speaker 1: And the Manning family is American Football Royalty. So this

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I've ever heard a public dance

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Speaker 1: When you get your show someday that Marquis, You're gonna

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Speaker 6: You're like the opposite of that. You are Unfund Colin.

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Speaker 1: So Kevin O'Connell JJ McCarthy, Kevin runs advanced schemes. This

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Speaker 1: is like McVeigh Stafford. Matt Stafford is a sharp guy,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons that McVeigh was so

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Speaker 1: attracted to him in Detroit. I mean, I've seen the

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Speaker 1: study habits of Stafford. They're kind of legendary. So do

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Speaker 1: you think the advanced schemes, because I like Minnesota's offensive personnel,

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Speaker 1: do you think the advanced schemes helper hurt JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 1: helper hurt him.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think they're they're advanced, but in other ways

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Speaker 8: they're theoretically simpler in the sense that what Kevin O'Connell

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Speaker 8: is really good at, just like Kyle Shanahan is really

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Speaker 8: good at, is they're really good at getting the primary

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Speaker 8: read open and available for the quarterback because they're really

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Speaker 8: good at understanding defenses, which is critical as a play caller.

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Speaker 8: You're not calling plays in a vacuum. You're calling plays

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Speaker 8: based on your sense of defensive tendency and probability. And

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Speaker 8: one thing Kevin O'Connell's really good at. We saw that

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Speaker 8: with Sam Darnold last year, which is why Sam had

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Speaker 8: such a good season One of the reasons anyway, is

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Speaker 8: he's so good at getting that primary read open, and

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Speaker 8: that will be critical for JJ McCarthy this year because

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Speaker 8: my guess is JJ McCarthy in these early stages of

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Speaker 8: his development is not going to be great yet at

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Speaker 8: working through progressions, certainly not full field progressions.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's a critical.

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Speaker 8: Piece of how JJ McCarthy can do this year, and

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Speaker 8: all that gets tied in with your footwork and the

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Speaker 8: timing of routes. There's so much that goes into that

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Speaker 8: that will be a work in progress as well.

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Speaker 1: So I watched bo Nicks twice live in college. He's cut,

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Speaker 1: he's fast when you watched all his tape. My take

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Speaker 1: is we don't watched Denver as much as we watch

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Speaker 1: those NFC East teams, and people just don't realize how

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Speaker 1: good of an athlete he is. When you look at

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Speaker 1: bow Nick's rookie tape, what are people missing about him?

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Speaker 1: Because his numbers were better than Jayden in many instances.

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Speaker 8: I think what people miss and I would say I

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Speaker 8: probably missed it to some degree as well when I

463
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Speaker 8: did his college tape, even though I liked him, is

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Speaker 8: I think his arm is better than people gave it

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Speaker 8: credit for. And when I say arm strength, I'm not

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Speaker 8: talking about the ability to throw the ball sixty or

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Speaker 8: seventy yards.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the ability to.

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Speaker 8: Stick throws in the middle of the field, dig balls,

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Speaker 8: you know, eighteen to twenty two yards, in breaking routes

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Speaker 8: between and over defenders.

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Speaker 3: He threw the ball really, really well. Those are really.

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Speaker 8: Armstrained throws, those kinds of throws, and I think that

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Speaker 8: he throws the ball a lot better than people give

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Speaker 8: him credit for.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 8: I think there's clearly some things that he has to

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Speaker 8: work on. I'm sure Sean Payton would tell you that

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Speaker 8: he's only going into his second year. But I think

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Speaker 8: in terms of sheer physical traits as a passer, he's

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Speaker 8: a lot better than he's been given credit for. And

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Speaker 8: you've probably been around him. He's a pretty big kid, Colin.

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Speaker 8: He's not a small guy. And he's a very good athlete. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: very very good athlete.

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Speaker 1: I noticed when I went to the Utah Oregon game

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Speaker 1: and I sat behind the bench, and he is ripped.

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Speaker 1: I mean he is. He's not trying to show off.

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Speaker 1: He has just cut very little body fat. So Drake

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Speaker 1: may came in I think we both like Drake May

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Speaker 1: we said the comp was justin Herbert and there at

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Speaker 1: the times I've watched him, and he does look a

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Speaker 1: little like Herbert. I mean the size, the number, the

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Speaker 1: way he moves. Is there anything you saw? Now he's

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Speaker 1: got a better coach. They spent three hundred million books

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Speaker 1: around him online play. What was your overall appraisal of

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Speaker 1: him in the rearview mirror? Now watching year one and

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Speaker 1: his growth.

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Speaker 8: Very impressed, given, as you know, colin a bad situation,

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Speaker 8: maybe one of the worst five O lines in the

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Speaker 8: NFL A receiving corps that I mean, I would bet

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Speaker 8: a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't even name their receivers.

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Speaker 8: So given the situation he was in, I thought he

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Speaker 8: handled himself really well. You'd expect him to be up

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Speaker 8: and down in that situation, and he was. But I

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Speaker 8: think overall, you're dealing with a kid that's big, he's physical,

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Speaker 8: he throws the ball really well, he can move.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's anything.

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Speaker 8: And again we're not there, so we don't know the

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Speaker 8: mental capacity of how he assimilates all the information that

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Speaker 8: he needs to assimilate. Obviously, it's Josh McDaniels now as

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Speaker 8: the OC. We'll see how that goes. But you're dealing

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Speaker 8: with a guy that has pretty higher level traits and

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Speaker 8: it might take some time.

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Speaker 3: And he's learning a brand new offense. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 8: People realize how difficult that is. You've been around, you've

517
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Speaker 8: seen play calls, you've seen how all that works. That's hard.

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Speaker 8: It's hard to assimilate a brand new offense. He just

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Speaker 8: went through a rookie year where he had to work

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Speaker 8: his tail off mentally, and now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 8: he's starting from scratch with a whole new offense, probably

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Speaker 8: brand new terminology.

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Speaker 3: So that takes time.

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Speaker 8: When you talk about the physical and athletic traits, he's

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Speaker 8: got them.

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Speaker 1: You know, this off season, you know, I know it's

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Speaker 1: a slow off season for all of us in the

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Speaker 1: talk show business, but there was a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a week long theory Jalen Hurts when GMS and coaches

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Speaker 1: pulled privately their thoughts on the top ten quarterbacks, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts was like nine. And my take has always been

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Speaker 1: I trust Greg Cosel, and I've said this, he reminds

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Speaker 1: me of a more talented Dak Prescott. I like his EQ.

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Speaker 1: I like his IQ, I like his toughness, I like

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Speaker 1: his leadership. I don't love him from the pocket. I

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Speaker 1: never loved Dak from the pocket. I just thought he

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Speaker 1: was a smart, tough, gritty leader. When you hear that

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, the GMS, the scouts, the coaches are like,

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Speaker 1: he's ninth best. What is your takeaway? Unhurts the quarterback?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think every quarterback for the most part, and

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Speaker 8: it becomes a function in many ways of their team.

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Speaker 3: And Hurts is very much that kind of player.

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Speaker 8: When you think about the Eagles and how they won

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Speaker 8: a year ago the Super Bowl, my guess is most

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Speaker 8: people the first thing they say is not, boy, that's

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Speaker 8: Jalen Hurts's team. I mean, this was a team with

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Speaker 8: a running back that had historical season. They've got the

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Speaker 8: best O line in football, they had the best defense

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Speaker 8: in football. Jalen Hurts is a piece of a really

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Speaker 8: good team, and they do a lot of things that

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Speaker 8: are difficult to defend. And let me give you a

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Speaker 8: few examples, and I've spoken to coaches this offseason about it.

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Speaker 8: They are a four down offense. Literally, once they get

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Speaker 8: to let's say the minus forty five yard line or

555
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Speaker 8: the fifty yard line. So now what happens is defense

556
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Speaker 8: is when it's third and eight, have to play them

557
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Speaker 8: totally differently because you know what they're going to run

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Speaker 8: the ball on third and eight. Most teams will never

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Speaker 8: consider running the ball on third and eight, So now

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Speaker 8: you have to think, how do I play defensively because

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Speaker 8: they're going to run the ball, because if they get

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Speaker 8: to fourth and two, they are going to go for it.

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Speaker 3: And Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 8: Is a critical critical piece of their third down and

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Speaker 8: fourth down offense. And one of the things he does

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Speaker 8: exceptionally well. And I heard this a lot this offseason.

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Speaker 8: Everybody talked about AJ Brown and how critical it is

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Speaker 8: that he can win one on one on the outside

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Speaker 8: because Jalen Hurts. The best thing about his throwing Colin

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Speaker 8: is he works outside the numbers. He can throw the

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Speaker 8: fade ball, he can throw the go ball, and AJ

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Speaker 8: Brown gets a ton of one on one because of

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Speaker 8: the nature of their run game, which of course Jalen

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Speaker 8: Hurts is a significant part of. So he's a critical

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Speaker 8: piece in what he brings. But if you're comparing him

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Speaker 8: to let's say the quarterbacks that we think of as

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Speaker 8: being the elite guys that can, in a sense be

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Speaker 8: the guys that win games by themselves. He probably does

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Speaker 8: not fall into that category.

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Speaker 1: So I said, my prediction is when quarterbacks get old

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Speaker 1: and rich, they do not want to get hit. And

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers last year Eli at the end of his career,

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to get hit. Brady was practicing how

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Speaker 1: to get sacked. When I watched Aaron at the end

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Speaker 1: of last year, it was a lot of underneath stuffs.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want to take hits, and I blame him

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Speaker 1: the Jets old life. Well, Pittsburgh can't solve their offensive line.

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Speaker 1: We're on six years in a row now, Greg and

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Speaker 1: their early reports from camp are he's not throwing the

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Speaker 1: ball down the field. And my take is, outside of

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, very few old, wealthy quarterbacks are willing to

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Speaker 1: take a helmet to the chin strap. He's one of one.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem with Aaron in Pittsburgh is he

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Speaker 1: liked the Jets. He will not trust that O line.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that?

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Speaker 8: I wish I had time to tell you a great

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Speaker 8: Jim Kelly story, but that'll be for another time. But anyway,

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Speaker 8: you know, I think The key thing here is the

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Speaker 8: tackle position for the Steelers, because Broderick Jones, going into

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Speaker 8: his third season, has not really shown that he's a

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Speaker 8: quality NFL offensive tackle, and that's a concern.

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Speaker 3: Look, the litmus test for offensive.

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Speaker 8: Tackle in the NFL is can they pass protect one

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Speaker 8: on one on third down? And right now the Steelers

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Speaker 8: have a question about that. And if that remains a

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Speaker 8: question in the regular season. Your point about Rodgers is

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Speaker 8: one hundred percent right. He's not going to want to

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Speaker 8: get hit. He's going to want to get rid of

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Speaker 8: the football. He won't be immobile, but he certainly doesn't

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Speaker 8: have the mobility that he had four or five, six,

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Speaker 8: seven years ago, So it'll be very interesting.

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Speaker 3: And then Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 8: Obviously they'd like to run the ball as the foundation

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Speaker 8: of their offense.

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Speaker 3: That's going to be the absolute critical piece. You know,

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Speaker 3: Rogers still throws the ball as well as.

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Speaker 8: Anybody, but I'm not sure at this point in his

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Speaker 8: career behind that old line you want to ask him

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Speaker 8: to drop back forty times a game.

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Speaker 3: No, you do not.

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Speaker 1: So the Lions lose Benjo, they lose two great coordinators.

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Speaker 1: And I said, I've said multiple times, the Eagles go

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Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl, lose their coordinators, hire the wrong guys,

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Speaker 1: and then at one point lost six to seven games.

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Speaker 1: We pay attention to quarterbacks and head coaches, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of coaches that are not great scheme coaches need

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Speaker 1: they're very reliant on a scheme, like, for instance, Dan

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Speaker 1: Campbell's not known Dan Campbell, Nick Siriani, You're not great

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Speaker 1: scheme guys. They're culture guys. And so losing Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: to me is a big deal. It wouldn't be a

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Speaker 1: big deal for Shanahan or Andy Reid, but I think

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell is more of a culture guy that is

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Speaker 1: reliant on a great OC. When you looked at Ben

634
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Speaker 1: Johnson last year, did we even undervalue him how important

635
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Speaker 1: he was? I mean, I always felt like everybody was

636
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Speaker 1: backpedaling against them because they had so much effectiveness with

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Speaker 1: trick plays a dominant O line. I don't think Detroit's

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Speaker 1: going to be as good this year. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're going to be as clever and creative.

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Speaker 8: It'll be interesting because here's the question that we don't

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Speaker 8: know the answer to. Because now Jared Goff was in

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Speaker 8: that system with Ben Johnson for what three four years?

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure we give Jared Goff enough credit. We

644
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Speaker 8: just spoke about how Caleb Williams has so much to learn.

645
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Speaker 8: GoF really mastered that offense, so the question is how

646
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Speaker 8: much input will he have Johnny Morton. I believe he

647
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Speaker 8: is the new OC and he was there, so obviously

648
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Speaker 8: they can keep a lot of the same principles and concepts.

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Speaker 8: But now you get into game play calling, which we

650
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Speaker 8: won't know the answer to that at all. But schematically,

651
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Speaker 8: what Ben Johnson does to me is so good. The

652
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Speaker 8: spacing he has versus his own coverage, it's beautiful, really

653
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Speaker 8: defines it exceedingly well. But you know, you're dealing with

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Speaker 8: a quarterback in GoF, and as I said, I'm not

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Speaker 8: sure we give him enough credit because he doesn't in

656
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Speaker 8: many ways fit the mold of how we see quarterbacks

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Speaker 8: now in the NFL because he's not a run around guy.

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Speaker 3: But you know, Goff really handled everything in that offense.

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Speaker 8: There are so many elements to that, as we discussed

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Speaker 8: with Caleb Williams. So we'll see how Detroit is, but

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Speaker 8: I think GoF plays a big role in this.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you mentioned that because I read

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Speaker 1: it this week and I forget where I read it,

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Speaker 1: but somebody said on the online I thought it was smart, said,

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson may be great and Caleb's greatly talented. What

666
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Speaker 1: if they're stylistically a bad match. Like Kyle Shanahan does

667
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Speaker 1: not want quarterbacks running out of his plays. He does not. Now,

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if Ben and Caleb it's not his guy,

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Speaker 1: he didn't draft him. If stylistically it may not be

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Speaker 1: a perfect fit.

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Speaker 8: Greg No, but no coach wants the quarterback to run

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Speaker 8: out of their place.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you that it's a backcomum. You know.

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Speaker 8: Obviously there's obviously there's certain guys that can do that

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Speaker 8: really well. And then the coaching staff goes, hey, great play,

676
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Speaker 8: because they make great plays.

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Speaker 3: But no coach. You know, look, I've been a training camp,

678
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Speaker 3: so I'm sure you have.

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Speaker 8: These coaches work fifteen hours a day. No offensive coordinator

680
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Speaker 8: is calling a game or any play to have the

681
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Speaker 8: quarterback not execute it the way it's supposed to be executed. Obviously,

682
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Speaker 8: they understand there are times that can't happen, but they

683
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Speaker 8: don't want it not to happen because the quarterback screws

684
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Speaker 8: it up. They want it not to happen because the

685
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Speaker 8: defense happens to win the down. So there's no coach

686
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Speaker 8: that wants the quarterback to just randomly break down and

687
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Speaker 8: disrupt the play. So it's not that Caleb Johnson's a

688
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 8: bad fit. Caleb Johnson needs to excuse me. Caleb Williams.

689
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Speaker 8: Caleb Williams needs to learn all this and then as

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Speaker 8: a parachute as the last thing, then the ability to

691
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Speaker 8: make those special plays comes into play.

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Speaker 3: But that can't be the first thing.

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Speaker 1: And finally, I tried to be very positive with Stuart Sanders.

694
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Speaker 1: I did not like what I heard about his interviews

695
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Speaker 1: pre draft. I did not like the kind of lack

696
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Speaker 1: of self awareness legendary in his draft room. But I

697
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Speaker 1: was like, listen, he's accurate, he moves pretty well, good pedigree.

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Speaker 1: And then he got two speeding tickets and I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're not serious. You're not as serious. I need to

700
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Speaker 1: grown up for this position. And so I don't have

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Speaker 1: high hopes. And I said this for years. I think quarterback,

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Speaker 1: it's almost unfair, but we need you to be have

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Speaker 1: the maturity of your dad at twenty three. That's why

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Speaker 1: the Mannings all work. They're all like you. Know they're

705
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Speaker 1: very mature people, So I don't have particularly high hopes

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Speaker 1: because I've seen a lack of self awareness and judgment

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Speaker 1: for Shadur. Is there anything on tape you love or

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Speaker 1: don't love as he plays tomorrow in the exhibition.

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Speaker 8: Game, Well, I think what his tape showed, and look,

710
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Speaker 8: he was a fifth round pick, and he's a fifth

711
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Speaker 8: round pick for a reason. Now can fifth round quarterbacks

712
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Speaker 8: make it? Of course they can. So I'm not going

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Speaker 8: to sit here and say whether he will or won't.

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Speaker 8: But I think what you saw on tape was a

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Speaker 8: quarterback that's a little smaller than you'd ideally like, that

716
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Speaker 8: throws the ball well, but not incredibly well. I think

717
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Speaker 8: he's accurate, but not quite as super accurate as a

718
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Speaker 8: lot of people make out.

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Speaker 3: And that's based on film study. That's not an opinion.

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Speaker 8: And I've had that conversation, by the way, with coaches,

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Speaker 8: and he's essentially a pocket quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He's not a statue.

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Speaker 8: But if he were to be a really good NFL quarterback, Colum,

724
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Speaker 8: it would have to be because he's a pocket quarterback.

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Speaker 8: He's not a playmaker. He doesn't give you a play

726
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Speaker 8: making dimension. He's not Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. He's

727
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Speaker 8: not going to be that guy. So that's what he is.

728
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Speaker 8: Those kinds of quarterbacks in the NFL tend to be

729
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Speaker 8: complementary pieces.

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Speaker 3: They can be really really good.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you could argue Jared goff as that kind

732
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Speaker 8: of quarterback. He's far more talented than Schadur Sanders. But

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Speaker 8: I mean, essentially, he's a pocket quarterback. So he needs

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Speaker 8: a really good coaching staff, he needs team, he needs

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Speaker 8: a lot of things around him to be successful.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he will be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The two best pocket guys are Stafford and Golf,

738
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Speaker 1: and they are great throwers of the football. They are

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Speaker 1: elite great, Yes, yeah, I mean I think Golf has

740
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Speaker 1: probably the most underrated arm in the league. Not the best,

741
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Speaker 1: but the most underrated arm in the league. Jared Goffs

742
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Speaker 1: and you know that Stafford. Let me tell you something.

743
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Speaker 1: Stafford is so highly respected in the league.

744
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Speaker 8: Everywhere I go, all people want to talk to me

745
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Speaker 8: about is Matthew Stafford and how great he is. And

746
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure fans in general think about him that way,

747
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Speaker 8: but he's so highly respected.

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Speaker 1: Co sell great. Seeing you his first appearance of many

749
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Speaker 1: and have yourself a great Friday in a great weekend.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks Colin, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's ah so yeah. And again, I just

752
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Speaker 1: it's amazing to me that people would downplay two speeding

753
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Speaker 1: tickets for a fifth round quarterback in a week. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's I had a situation. All these coaches and gms,

755
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Speaker 1: they they watch all these shows and they listen. They

756
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Speaker 1: are just there information junkies. I can remember just a

757
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Speaker 1: small thing I remember as an aside during the Combine

758
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Speaker 1: when Will Levis showed up in the sleeveless shirt with

759
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Speaker 1: a gun show and I was like, oh, so bad.

760
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Speaker 1: He's trying. He wants, he wants, you know, he's trying.

761
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Speaker 1: I had an NFC coach call me after the show

762
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Speaker 1: leave a message. I called him back and put me

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Speaker 1: on speaker phone with somebody and they were laughing. They

764
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Speaker 1: were like, oh god, we just we just thought it

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Speaker 1: was the most ridiculous thing. And then I had an

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Speaker 1: AFC executive. I had a text with him two or

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Speaker 1: three times and he's like, what you what matters to you.

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Speaker 1: You're sending signals at the Senior Bowl, You're sending signals

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Speaker 1: at the Combine. Sometimes in games you're emotional. You do

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Speaker 1: things that you know, you know it's in the heat

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Speaker 1: of the battle. But when you're in a combine or

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Speaker 1: a Senior Bowl or a practice, you're sending signals and

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Speaker 1: these gms they're watching all of it. You get two

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Speaker 1: speeding tickets as a fifth round quarterback. Every team that

775
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: passed on him laughed at him. The New York Giants, everybody, Oh,

776
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Speaker 1: Jackson Dark Giants were laughing at that. Remember how bad

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Speaker 1: Shoodoor's interview reportedly was with the Giants and they were like,

778
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: we got we got questions on self, awaren And they

779
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: were laughing at that. So don't let your critics laugh,

780
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: make them, make them wish hope they sit in there going.

781
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Speaker 1: Remember when Letterman left NBC and went to CBS and

782
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Speaker 1: Letterman had this hysterical opening press conference. It was genuinely

783
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: laugh out loud off the script. Funny, you knew the

784
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: NBC executives were watching that CBS press conference going, we

785
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: probably just should have paid him. He's the funniest guy

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00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: on the planet at the time,