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Speaker 1: A fellow conspiracy realist. We're doing an episode on cults today.

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Speaker 1: This is a classic episode where Matt, as you recall

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Speaker 1: off air, I probably said this with great regret. I

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Speaker 1: had to admit there was a bad Ben Ben Tino, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: been Tino Masorrow is to some a thought leader, to some,

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Speaker 1: a prophet to supporters. It's a person who has changed

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Speaker 1: their lives. To critics, this is a bad Ben has

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Speaker 1: been accused of cultic practices, has been accused of some

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Speaker 1: untoward behavior, and we really dig into this in our episode.

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Speaker 1: Just heads up, everyone, A lot of stuff has happened

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Speaker 1: in the intervening years with Massara's movement, and we wanted

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Speaker 1: to learn more about it. So when you hear this,

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Speaker 1: you're hearing the information we have at the time. You're

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Speaker 1: also hearing a hopefully helpful conversation about what defines a cult.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, Matt, what do you remember from

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Speaker 1: this one? What really stuck out to you?

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Speaker 2: Well? I remember signing up for Benino's newsletter and never

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Speaker 2: turning back.

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Speaker 3: Ah, he got you, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the show. From UFOs to psychic powers and

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Speaker 1: government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can

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Speaker 1: turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. I'm an expression of

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Speaker 2: the infinite one creator in sixth density.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a name?

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Speaker 2: That's it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I felt like you left off with an ellipse?

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Speaker 3: Is like you're gonna give me more, like some sort

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Speaker 3: of celestial title.

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Speaker 2: Do you introducing myself?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be the movement formerly known as

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Speaker 1: Matt or the vibration formally known as Matt.

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Speaker 2: I am an expression of the infinite one creator in

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Speaker 2: sixth density.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: I'm still Noel, I'm Noam Shabbai. Folks they call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: You or you were joined with our super producer Paul

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Speaker 1: Deckint that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. As you can tell, since we

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Speaker 1: last all got together, there have been a few changes,

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Speaker 1: spiritual changes, vibrational changes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt is basically just this kind of like neutron

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Speaker 3: cloud that's just slowly filling up the studio. And he

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Speaker 3: does still have a mouth, yes, thankfully.

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Speaker 2: So I'm an expression of infinity.

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Speaker 1: So you know right now what he's reminding me of

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Speaker 1: Noel is the gaseous creature in that Rick and Morty

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Speaker 1: episode called Fart, voiced by Flight of the Concords actor

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Speaker 1: similar similar, well, thank you for coalescing into a physicali

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Speaker 1: ish form.

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Speaker 3: Somebody open a window.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to lose him.

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Speaker 2: I'll be here for as long as the podcast is.

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Speaker 1: What is time. Hopefully we have enough time before you

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Speaker 1: ascend to higher planes, Matt to journey into a very

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Speaker 1: interesting rabbit hole, which Noel, you were the one who

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Speaker 1: showed us, introduced us to this guy off air when

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Speaker 1: we first learned about this fairly recently, right a few

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a medium article that was making the

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Speaker 3: rounds online and a friend of mine actually sent it

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Speaker 3: more so than talking specifically about this one individual who

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Speaker 3: digital age, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: We have talked about cults before, both in these broad

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the biggest, most obvious question, how do

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Speaker 1: we define cult?

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Speaker 2: And for that we head on over to Merriam Webster,

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Speaker 2: which defines cult as a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious.

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Speaker 2: It's also it's referring to the body of adherence to

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Speaker 4: My problem with these definitions you guys, though, is that

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Speaker 1: So, for instance, to the Pope. While many other religions

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Speaker 3: And if you're an Orthodox Jew, everyone else is completely unorthodox, right.

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Speaker 1: That's how one I explained it to me. We see

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Speaker 1: Paul's cult, Paul and his followers would be properly offended. Well,

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because Paul's journey is the way, the light

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Speaker 2: journe How many cults.

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Speaker 1: Funny story. We Matt and I in an earlier video

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Speaker 2: We taught people how to start one.

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Speaker 1: We taught people how to start one. It was a

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Speaker 3: But despite the slippery slopiness of that word cult, we

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Speaker 1: And we're also using it more as shorthand rather than

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Speaker 1: overall question is how do cults exist in the digital world.

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Speaker 1: Are these organizations, these movements adapting? Are the lines between

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Speaker 1: First we have to look at the facts. The world

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Speaker 1: is chock full of self described movements, intentional communities, spiritual institutions,

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Speaker 1: But as we know, the bloody headlines sell the best, right,

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Speaker 1: As we record this, These sorts of movements are much

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Speaker 1: They are a group of people who have all decided

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Speaker 2: You'll even see the C word applied to certain workout

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Speaker 1: Somebody said, how can we be both fit and cross? Yes, So,

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you can imagine it, especially if you go

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Speaker 2: In that way, you realize how much information control existed.

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Speaker 2: And we do know that the cognitive and emotional isolation

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Speaker 2: Like if you're in one, you can't read unapproved books,

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Speaker 3: It's to isolate, not only isolate, but break people down

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Speaker 3: psychologically by instilling in them this notion that nothing they

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Speaker 3: the cult leader. And then you have sexual control as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, typically this and this is common. The cult leader

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Speaker 1: will eventually have some sort of divine revelation, whether they

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Speaker 1: name of God is that person A is the spiritual

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Speaker 1: these are the only people that can fool around now

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Speaker 1: to elect with.

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Speaker 3: David Koresh, for example, he received visions, one of which

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Speaker 3: told him that the sister of one of his wives

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Speaker 3: males in that cult were celibate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it never really starts that way.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I mean that's it's salesmanship. One oh one.

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Speaker 1: You get your foot in the door, and what happens

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Speaker 1: incredibly gross. I really appreciate Noling you mentioning the David

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. There are digitally powered movements

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Speaker 1: And this is where we arrive at the story that No,

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Speaker 2: Well he started well, at least from what we can tell.

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Speaker 2: on the surface. First video understanding life is impossible, and

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Speaker 1: At that point, he points at his.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah. Masaro also has in person retreats that gather

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Speaker 3: intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole, but it can be

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Speaker 3: activated or potentiated. Each portion of the creation contains paradoxically

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Speaker 3: the whole.

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Speaker 2: Ah, it is like an ocean.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's hologrammatic thinking as well.

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Speaker 3: And there is a book called The Raw Material. An

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Speaker 3: ancient astronaut speaks the Law of One by a man

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Speaker 3: by the name of Don Elkins, and the synopsis that

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Speaker 3: on Amazon is pretty interesting.

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Speaker 2: Poses a few questions.

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Speaker 3: What are the ancients? Why did they first come to Earth?

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Speaker 3: Why are they returning now? What part did they play

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Speaker 3: in building the great monuments of antiquity? What part did

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Speaker 3: they play in the formation of present and earlier civilizations?

451
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Speaker 2: With? What other beings do we share our universe? And

452
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Speaker 2: where does the Earth fit into the cosmic scheme of things?

453
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Speaker 2: Almost twenty years of experimental work with telepathy led to

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Speaker 2: the breakthrough contact recorded in this book The Raw Material,

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Speaker 2: as an account not only for the events leading up

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Speaker 2: to this contact, but of over two hundred pages of

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Speaker 2: verbatim transcripts of each and every conversation.

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Speaker 1: Two things real quick, Yeah, noel, I swear you have

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Speaker 1: heard this concept before, but it was packaged very differently.

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Speaker 1: You're a Bill Hicks fan, right, sure, Bill Hicks talks

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Speaker 1: about this sort of thing. He probably got it from

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Speaker 1: a very similar He probably got it from his very

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Speaker 1: similar source, maybe even the opponishods. He was a concert reader.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. The second thing is really interesting about this

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Speaker 1: is what we're seeing is syncretism, combining of aspects from

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Speaker 1: different religions, and the Danta itself is kind of syncretic.

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Speaker 1: So we're seeing an I don't want to say a

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Speaker 1: mixtape of a mixtape because I don't want to be dismissive,

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Speaker 1: but we're seeing like combinations of combinations coming through, which

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Speaker 1: honestly I applaud if we're talking about spirituality, I really

471
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Speaker 1: feel like you should find what works for you.

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Speaker 2: A little later, we're going to get into a direct

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Speaker 2: message from Benino Massorrow, and it says that very thing

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Speaker 2: that you're talking about. Ben where his teachings over time,

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Speaker 2: he says, have been a collection of different teachings and

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Speaker 2: different movements and all these paradoxical even at times things.

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Speaker 3: It seems less about worshiping a god too as much

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Speaker 3: as it is kind of treating yourself as a god

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Speaker 3: or an extension of the universe. And it's interesting because

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Speaker 3: the law of Wine has these layers, almost scientology esque layers.

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Speaker 3: They're called densities, and its first through eighth density.

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Speaker 2: And it's something that Masorro touches a lot in the teachings.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, he definitely talks about it, and it's a little

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Speaker 3: hard to wrap your head around. And I think, for

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Speaker 3: good reason, just to read a couple of these, I'll

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Speaker 3: go do the first and the last. The first density

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Speaker 3: is the density of awareness in which the planet moves

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Speaker 3: out of the timeless state into physical manifestation. Its elements

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Speaker 3: are earth, air, water, and fire. On Earth, after matter

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Speaker 3: had coalesced and space time had begun to quote unroll

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Speaker 3: its scroll of livingness, first density took about two billion years.

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Speaker 3: Then eighth density is also the beginning of the first

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Speaker 3: density of the next creation. It is both omega and alpha,

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Speaker 3: the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central

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Speaker 3: Sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe,

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Speaker 3: a new infinity, a new logos, which incorporates all that

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Speaker 3: the Creator has experienced of itself.

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Speaker 2: So what this sounds like to me is essentially the

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Speaker 2: Big Bang. They're describing in the first density right after

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Speaker 2: after the big Bang has occurred, and now we actually

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Speaker 2: have an Earth, we have a place where consciousness can exist.

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Speaker 2: Then going through all these other densities through here to

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Speaker 2: getting to the eighth density is when it's snapped back together. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: if you look at some of the there are infinite

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Speaker 2: universe models that believe big bangs occur as expansion, and

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Speaker 2: then there's a collapsing back down into essentially one singularity,

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Speaker 2: and then another expansion, and then it just continues on.

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Speaker 1: This cycle of contraction and expansion.

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Speaker 2: And that's one model.

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Speaker 1: That's one model. And then also this has a lot

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Speaker 1: in common with the views of alchemical experts, right with

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Speaker 1: alchemical scholars and the great work. This is not the

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Speaker 1: I think the point we're making is this is not,

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Speaker 1: by any means a new idea. But also a Masara's defense,

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Speaker 1: he's not really saying it's a new idea either, correct, right,

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Speaker 1: And it would be it would be unfair of us

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Speaker 1: to say that he thinks he discovery. He does believe

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Speaker 1: that he put it all together in the right way,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't claim that he did everything. Another interesting

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Speaker 1: part about this in the digital age is that a

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Speaker 1: lot of his teachings or courses or videos or lessons

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Speaker 1: or talks have a quantifiable aspect to them. It's not

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Speaker 1: just reach level, you know, reach this density, density x

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Speaker 1: or whatever. It's how to reach it an x amount

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Speaker 1: of steps, how to understand concept a in why amount

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Speaker 1: of time? And this clicks with a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in today's age where we want to we have so

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Speaker 1: many things to pay attention to or spend time on

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Speaker 1: that we want to know about how long it's going

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Speaker 1: to take, or how to measure our steps to success.

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Speaker 1: As appealing as sitting under a tree for an indeterminate

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Speaker 1: length of time to reach enlightenment may sound in theory,

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Speaker 1: very few people are doing it in practice or fewer now.

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Speaker 2: And even see it in the furniture a lot of

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Speaker 2: us choose to purchase if you imagine like getting just

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Speaker 2: some wood and making a table, or you could get

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Speaker 2: the Ikia one that has a list of steps to

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Speaker 2: follow and then you got yourself a table man.

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Speaker 3: And this kind of results based, quick, results based attitude

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Speaker 3: really plays into that kind of you know, lightning fast communication.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's attention span is shorter than it's ever been. We

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Speaker 3: want everything in blurbs and nuggets and like give it

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Speaker 3: to us quick. Even his videos. He's got longer videos,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of them are distilled down into like

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Speaker 3: ten or twelve minutes little soundbites that are easier to

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Speaker 3: digest for folks. So he's very much aware of his audience.

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Speaker 2: I would say they are not easy to understand, at

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Speaker 2: least as a layperson who has not taken all the

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Speaker 2: courses yet. I've attempted to watch six videos today again,

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Speaker 2: like rewatching videos to just understand some of the density

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Speaker 2: stuff to understand, taking two to five seconds out of

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Speaker 2: every like x seconds, and the I don't understand a

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Speaker 2: lot of the messages.

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Speaker 3: Will let me rephrase I don't either. I guess all

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Speaker 3: I'm saying is that I'm at least able to watch

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Speaker 3: ten minutes of this stuff rather than two hours. And

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Speaker 3: it's interesting because Masarrow's followers themselves, a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: We found some there's a SoundCloud page from Batgirl that

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Speaker 3: interviews some folks from some of these conferences. They say

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Speaker 3: that it's totally fine to not understand what the hell

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Speaker 3: he's talking about. The message, they say, is between the words.

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Speaker 1: And that's another thing you see with gurus or light

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Speaker 1: masters throughout human history. There's this idea that the leader

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Speaker 1: functions as sort of an antagonistic rarshack ink blot. You

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Speaker 1: see what you want to see and hear what you

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Speaker 1: want to hear, and you're always bad, You're always wrong,

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Speaker 1: unless you're no longer you. We'll be back after a

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Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. So Masorrow speaks often about interpreting vibrations,

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Speaker 1: what he would term his vibrations. His followers claim to

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Speaker 1: be able to interpret and internalize the vibrations he puts out,

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Speaker 1: and they feel that a lot of the content or

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Speaker 1: the message or the enlightenment that he is conveying comes

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Speaker 1: from these vibrations, more so than maybe the actual words.

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Speaker 3: And this quote should be on the jacket of his

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Speaker 3: first book.

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00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: It is you are a vibrator, and you are a vibrator,

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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 1: Are a vibrator. Okay, that is a verbatim quote there.

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Speaker 3: But he said that to me, I'd slug him.

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Speaker 2: Well, in a way, He's kind of right, guys. All

581
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Speaker 2: of our energy is just vibrating.

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Speaker 1: It's true. Physical matter is relatively illusory.

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Speaker 3: Can we talk a little about Sedona and just the

584
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Speaker 3: scene in Sedona, like not with too much detail, but

585
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Speaker 3: just in case anyone's not familiar. And I really wish

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Speaker 3: I'd had a chance to talk to our coworker Julie Douglas,

587
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Speaker 3: who just did kind of a tour of that part

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Speaker 3: of the country. But Sedona, Arizona is kind of ground

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Speaker 3: zero for a lot of this New Age teachings and

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Speaker 3: self betterment through self actualization and yoga, and there are

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Speaker 3: all of these different retreats and it is a really

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Speaker 3: rife with these kinds of gurus. And what makes it

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Speaker 3: interesting to us is that it feels like a new

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Speaker 3: approach to this kind of thinking or this kind of recruitment.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure it's an amalgamation of startup culture

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Speaker 1: which leads to that other thing, right, is what's the

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Speaker 1: difference between startup culture and what's the difference between, you know,

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Speaker 1: an old school cult, Because we do have in startup

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Speaker 1: cultures we see this sent up in so many satirical

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Speaker 1: pieces like Silicon Valley or something. We see these commonalities.

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Speaker 1: There is a cult of personality, right, and there is

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Speaker 1: a there is a drive to dedicate oneself entirely to

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Speaker 1: a cause, whether it's making the newest app to hand

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Speaker 1: deliver bags of artisanal badgers to people or you know,

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Speaker 1: or whether it's to figure out a way to have

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Speaker 1: a drone that will I don't know, bring you shoes

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Speaker 1: and pizza and pizza, you know, shoes and pizza.

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Speaker 2: And like the best startups, they begin with a product

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Speaker 2: that's kind of tangible you can get like Ben Bentino's

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Speaker 2: teachings in the videos. But then there's this much larger goal,

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Speaker 2: Like you said, Ben, it's down the road.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so glad you mentioned this. Yes, because Masorrow's trifinity,

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Speaker 1: which which Noel introduced earlier, is a step in a

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Speaker 1: larger plan, and his seminars and his speeches are part

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Speaker 1: of a much larger goal, a four phase plan to

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Speaker 1: create an enlightened society by twenty thirty five. So not

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Speaker 1: that far down, one.

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Speaker 3: Hundred percent enlightened, right, Let's hear from the man himself with.

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Speaker 5: The work that I'm doing, what I'm trying to achieve,

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Speaker 5: quite frankly, as to have a one hundred percent enlightened

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Speaker 5: civilization by twenty thirty five, to make it specific, so

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Speaker 5: that gives us twenty years to share this message in

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Speaker 5: many different kinds of ways, not just educational ways, but

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Speaker 5: also in terms of products, inventions, technology, and education, obviously,

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Speaker 5: so that everyone can start to act on their inspiration

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Speaker 5: and be guided by that higher intelligence which thicks in

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Speaker 5: our heart in the sense of passion and excitement and inspiration.

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Speaker 5: When the whole world starts to listen to that impulse

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Speaker 5: and be aware of the fact that they are already

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Speaker 5: free beings, that they're already awake, powerful beings, then the

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Speaker 5: world would be amazing place to be.

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Speaker 1: So steps along the way in this planning the creation

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Speaker 1: of apps, film, TV and record studios, VR technology and

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Speaker 1: astral projection inducer. What yeah, a couple of labs and

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Speaker 1: you know, you could ask yourself, is that astral projection

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Speaker 1: inducer encouraging lucid dreams? Or is it real remote viewing?

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Speaker 1: The US government did work on remote viewing for a

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Speaker 1: long time. That is true. Publish we have an episode

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Speaker 1: on it. I think that we want to interview one

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Speaker 1: of those guys one day, So if you're listening, hit

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Speaker 1: us up or you might be in the room now.

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Speaker 1: But they also have, interestingly, a system to foster open

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Speaker 1: contact with aliens. This all culminates in the construction of

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Speaker 1: something called Trinfinity City, a metropolis built in hopes of

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Speaker 1: being prepared for open interstellar contact in contrast to the

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Speaker 1: clandestine contact that Masorrow believes has occurred in the past.

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Speaker 1: That might sound controversial, but he has plenty of beliefs

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Speaker 1: that might seem controversial to the mainstream.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he and Stephen Greer have ever gotten together,

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Speaker 2: because you know, Stephen Greer's The Encounter of the Fifth

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Speaker 2: Kind is all about contacting aliens through meditation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also about you know, getting gullible rich

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Speaker 3: people to drop mad cash to go on these excursions.

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Speaker 1: Burn. You have to wonder though, you know, from from

655
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Speaker 1: what we could hear, Masorrow has been controversial with other teachers,

656
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Speaker 1: like other spiritual teachers. We have examples of that, so

657
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Speaker 1: I could see him also being controversial with other secular

658
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Speaker 1: leaders of movements as well.

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Speaker 3: And we have to give serious credit to b. Schofield

660
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Speaker 3: again for this media article. It is very, very in

661
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Speaker 3: depth and I recommend you guys seeking it out, their clips,

662
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 3: their videos, their audio samples, all kinds stuff. Because she

663
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: actually embedded herself in one of his groups under an

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Speaker 3: assumed name. And you know, we'll get to this a

665
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Speaker 3: little later, but the Trinfinity folks and Benino did publish

666
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 3: a response to this article, but in the article, she

667
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Speaker 3: talks about the fact that in his early days, he

668
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Speaker 3: was invited to be part of a collection of speakers

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Speaker 3: by a group called Sounds True, which I think is

670
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Speaker 3: a really funny name for an organization like this, Like, wow,

671
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Speaker 3: it sounds true. I guess it must be.

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Speaker 1: True Spiritual Symposium, Spiritual Symposium, But I just feel like

673
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a little.

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Speaker 3: The name is almost sounds sounds a little joky to me.

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Speaker 3: But some of the other speakers you might have heard

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Speaker 3: of Eckhart Toley, who is much beloved, and I know

677
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Speaker 3: people who I find completely rational, intelligent people that are

678
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Speaker 3: really into his stuff. But he kind of wanted to

679
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Speaker 3: distance himself from these types of folks and just sort

680
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 3: of talked a lot of trash and really did not

681
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Speaker 3: want to be associated with the anymore after this first

682
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: symposium that he was a part of, and wanted to

683
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: kind of go out on his own and make it

684
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Speaker 3: all about him and his specific teachings and not have

685
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Speaker 3: to answer to anyone else's worldview and as attle cult leaders.

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Speaker 1: To me, yeah, well maybe it's just the question is

687
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: always do these people genuinely believe this stuff, or is

688
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: it sort of a flam flam show. Are they objecting

689
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Speaker 1: to the views of another spiritual leader because they feel

690
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Speaker 1: that those views are business competition, or are they objecting

691
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Speaker 1: because they honestly believe it's wrong.

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Speaker 2: You know.

693
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a question that's tough to answer. But

694
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Speaker 1: we do know that we do know that he has

695
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Speaker 1: several beliefs that would be considered controversial, not just not

696
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Speaker 1: just controversial amongst spiritual peers, which of course he and

697
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: his followers believe he has none, but not just in

698
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Speaker 1: the sphere of the spiritual, but in the secular as well.

699
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Speaker 1: One of the big ones is suppress technology, which, for

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Speaker 1: the record, I'm not going out of my way to

701
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Speaker 1: unfairly defend someone that I've never met. We do know

702
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: suppress technology exists, So now we're just as a species

703
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Speaker 1: arguing about the degree of suppression.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in Bentino's mind, we're decades, if not centuries behind

705
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Speaker 2: with the known technology to the average consumer. Let's read

706
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: a quote here. We have bases on the Moon, a

707
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Speaker 2: bunch of slave colonies on Mars that have been mining

708
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Speaker 2: the asteroid belt. We have been colonizing galaxies, of our

709
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Speaker 2: solar system. We haven't needed fossil fuels for the last

710
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Speaker 2: eighty years because we have anti gravihic mechanisms. The Nazis

711
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: won the war, the US government gave up their control,

712
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Speaker 2: their governance, so we would not be exposed to free

713
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: energy devices. If free energy gets released and we're working

714
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Speaker 2: on it, he's referring to Trinfinity Corp. It changed everything.

715
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Speaker 2: We've had free energy for eighty years.

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Speaker 1: That is a direct quote. Also, Masarro absolutely believes in aliens,

717
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: by which we mean extraterrestrials. Another quote would be, don't

718
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Speaker 1: be surprised that the aliens will meet and we will

719
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Speaker 1: meet them look like the things you see in movies.

720
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Speaker 1: Don't be like, oh, this story of this guy's nonsense,

721
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Speaker 1: because I've seen that in the movies. He just got

722
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Speaker 1: it from the movies. Well, did he get it from

723
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Speaker 1: the movies or did the movies get it from them?

724
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Speaker 1: And this ties into a belief that we've touched on

725
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Speaker 1: in the past, where you'll see people arguing that there

726
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 1: is a large and largely hidden movement in pop culture

727
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Speaker 1: to acclimatize the general public with the idea of extraterrestrials

728
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Speaker 1: by making them a familiar trope in fiction.

729
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Speaker 3: But the issue for me here is there's no evidence.

730
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: This isn't evidence based claims at all. It's just stuff

731
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: that he says, taking it face value, and you know,

732
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Speaker 3: it goes so far as to say things we talked

733
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Speaker 3: about those density levels. Apparently he and his followers and

734
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 3: he also has a very close team that he keeps

735
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: around him talk about folks like Buddha and Jesus being

736
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 3: sixth maybe seventh density. And again this is from the

737
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Speaker 3: medium article.

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Speaker 2: And that's the density of unity.

739
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Speaker 3: Density of unity exactly. But that Bentino is at eight.

740
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Speaker 3: He just blows all of those other spiritual leaders out

741
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Speaker 3: of the water.

742
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Speaker 2: That's not even on the thing. No, it is, it

743
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: is eighth is the new coming.

744
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Speaker 1: It's it's him, and that that's one of the one

745
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: of the errors that Masorro points out about Jesus Christ

746
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Speaker 1: is that Jesus, he says, is pretty much well and good,

747
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: did some good stuff. I think he called him a

748
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: fabulous person, but he claimed he was the son of

749
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Speaker 1: God and not a God. So it's a differentiation there.

750
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Speaker 1: And the density that Trifinity ascribes to as an organization

751
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: does have the one to seven depities, with the eighth

752
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: density being, as Matt said, forthcoming, You're probably wondering how

753
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: far this goes, folks. There are claims of extraordinary powers

754
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: as well, and several of his videos, Massorrow claims have

755
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: supernatural powers that have come easily to him, but there

756
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: are reasons why he doesn't use them all the time.

757
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: He says, it's not more important that I'm able to

758
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Speaker 1: teleport and bylocate and levitate and move mountains at will.

759
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: That's not what's most important to me, because my soul

760
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: knows that's easy. It's not hard at all, It's absolutely easy.

761
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Speaker 1: So one of these powers would be weather control. Several

762
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Speaker 1: of his followers claim he has the ability to control

763
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Speaker 1: weather to a degree, specifically stories about dispersing clouds before

764
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: they cause inclement weather or storms, similar to William Wrake

765
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Speaker 1: attempting to bust clouds with Oregon energy, but without the

766
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Speaker 1: mechanisms or the artifacts that Reich builds.

767
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Speaker 3: There's a quote from one of his followers that we

768
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Speaker 3: found that says, I've watched him control the weather a

769
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Speaker 3: lot of times. We'll be at a party and I'll

770
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: be like Bendino, these clouds are not good. It looks

771
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: like rain. Within ten minutes, they're gone. He does it

772
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: all the time. I've watched him move objects on tables.

773
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Speaker 3: I've seen him multiple times change weather or move clouds.

774
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Speaker 1: Of course it's telekinesis. Also in there, you have the

775
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: ability to move objects, specifically at a table, without physically

776
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Speaker 1: touching them. Magicians and skeptics in the crowd, I am

777
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: sure that you know the numerous ways in which people

778
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: can create things that appear to be that effect. I'm

779
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: not saying that Masorrow is purpose Again, I'm not seeing

780
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: Masorrow is purposely misleading people, But I'm saying between between

781
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: physical manipulation and between credulous observers, it's very possible for

782
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Speaker 1: somebody to mistake something kind of mundane for something like telekinesis.

783
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Speaker 3: I think the next two are really interesting because they

784
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: are attributes often ascribed in Catholic doctrine to saints and

785
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: religious figures. So we've got something called by location, and

786
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: what that is is the supposed phenomenon of an individual

787
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: being able to be in two physical locations at the

788
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: same time. It's kind of this isn't exactly the same thing,

789
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 3: but it's kind of like in the Catholic Eucharist the

790
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: concept of transubstantiation, where supposedly the bread and the wine

791
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Speaker 3: that you partake of actually transforms physically into the flesh

792
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 3: and blood of Jesus Christ. But more specifically, a really

793
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 3: interesting example of this is from a man by the

794
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Speaker 3: name of Padre Pio, who lived from eighteen eighty seven

795
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Speaker 3: to nineteen sixty eight. Was an Italian friar. A Caputian priest,

796
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: he suffered from digmata wounds, and he was ultimately made

797
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: a saint and was said to possess the power of bilocation.

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Speaker 3: So tell us a quick story. As a seminary student,

799
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Speaker 3: he claims to have teleported during prayer to the home

800
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Speaker 3: of a wealthy couple, where he witnessed a woman giving

801
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 3: birth to a child, a daughter, all the while her

802
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: husband lay dying. He claims the virgin Mary appeared to him,

803
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: told him she was entrusting this newborn child to him

804
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 3: and that he should take care of her. Po asked

805
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: how he would know her, and was told that she'd

806
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: find him first and they'd meet in Rome. Then, it

807
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: said the mother saw him leaving the room. So supposedly

808
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: the daughter gave confession to Po seventeen years later in

809
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 3: Saint Peter's Basilica in Rome, and that he took her

810
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: in and took care of her physically and spiritually a.

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Speaker 2: Year later, Mmmm, seventeen year old girl.

812
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Speaker 1: Often conflated with, or closely related with, the concept of claravoyance,

813
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: which is not telling the future. It's realizing events that

814
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: have transpired in a way that would not normally be observable.

815
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Speaker 1: So it's sort of sending your mind or your awareness

816
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: to something. By location is different by a location is

817
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: appearing right, either appearing in some sort of intangible but

818
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: visible form or appearing in illegitimate physical substance. So Masara

819
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: says he can do this, but says it's not really

820
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: the point of his mission or his existence here on

821
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Speaker 1: this plane.

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Speaker 2: He also says it's easy. It's so easy, I could bilocate.

823
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Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't. From his perspective, he doesn't want it

824
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: to distract from his actual calling, sort of the same

825
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: way that Anthony Hopkins doesn't want you know, like Anthony

826
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Speaker 1: Hopkins is acting. He's an amazing actor, but his first

827
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: love is piano, and that's why he feels like he's

828
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: here on earth.

829
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Speaker 3: Massaro actually claims to be purposely blocking these abilities because

830
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: they are not what he wants to be known for.

831
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Speaker 3: And his followers often say that, like with that quote,

832
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Speaker 3: that they have seen him do some of these I'm

833
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: going to call him miracles, but never does he offer

834
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Speaker 3: to demonstrate them in any of his dozens and dozens

835
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Speaker 3: of YouTube videos.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, if they're really on that plan to

837
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Speaker 2: buy twenty thirty five have a one hundred percent enlightened society,

838
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Speaker 2: what's going to have to happen is Bentino is going

839
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: to have to teleport, which is the next thing we're

840
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Speaker 2: going to talk about in one of his YouTube videos

841
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Speaker 2: somehow or in public somewhere where people have cameras on him.

842
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: And then that's when he starts getting three hundred million followers,

843
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Speaker 2: four hundred million followers, then he can really start changing society.

844
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Speaker 1: So at this point, what we have described are the

845
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Speaker 1: aims of the organization a brief description of Massar himself,

846
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Speaker 1: and we didn't we didn't talk about his childhood, we

847
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: didn't talk about some of the criticisms of his personality

848
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: that you could you could read at length, and please,

849
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Speaker 1: you know, read them with a grain of salt, because

850
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Speaker 1: we have to winner with the motivations. The people might

851
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: be sure that's that's been but we do know that

852
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: former core staff members have talked about darker sides of this.

853
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: One said, I feel he is setting people up for

854
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: mass suicide. He talked about the harvest. I always had

855
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: a weird feeling about this. And on Thesimber ninth, I

856
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: want to say twenty seventeen, one of Masorrow's longtime devoted students,

857
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: a fellow named Brent Wilkins, committed suicide by jumping off

858
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Speaker 1: a cliff near the Midley Bridge in Sedona, Arizona, and

859
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: you can see news stories about it. You can see

860
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: some I don't know, some different media mentions. But the

861
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: thing is that for people who are opponents of this

862
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: guy or this movement, this budding movement, this is taken

863
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: to be a sign that something is woefully rotten in

864
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Speaker 1: the town of Sedona. However, be fair it is. You know,

865
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Speaker 1: it's difficult to ascribe the exact cause for that suicide

866
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: without more information. Every suicide is a tragedy, and it

867
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: may be that mister Wilkins was troubled for other reasons

868
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: unrelated to his involvement in the movement, but the reason

869
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: this thing becomes disturbing to people, whether they consider themselves

870
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: neutral observers or whether they consider themselves already prejudiced observers.

871
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: The troubling thing with this is that is that we

872
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: have seen precedents before in the United States. The United

873
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: States is a hotbed of movements that, for one reason

874
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: or another goes sour. I personally do not think it

875
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: is fair, nor do I think it is productive to

876
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: call a leader of a YouTube movement a new him

877
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: Jones or new David Koresh or new Charles Manson, because

878
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: at this point, thank god, no one has been murdered. Right,

879
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: But we would be remiss if we did not mention

880
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: that that suicide occurred. And we would also be remiss

881
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: if we didn't mention this harvest concept. And what is it?

882
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: Is it a Is it supposed to be a massive

883
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: spiritual awakening and ascension of the group?

884
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird when you when you put whatever concept

885
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: the harvest is and then you line it up with

886
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: that enlightened society by twenty thirty five goal, Like what

887
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: is that? Is that what the harvest is like? By

888
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 2: harvesting all of the egos, maybe so that we're all enlightened.

889
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what he's talking about, but that's just me

890
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: thinking on the top of my head.

891
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: He did post on his Instagram page an excerpt from

892
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: a book about a yogi by the name of Sara Dama,

893
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: and in it it says, whatever the Guru does is correct.

894
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 3: The Guru is the self. He cannot do wrong, even

895
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: though his actions may well appear to be wrong in

896
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: the side of the world. If a devotee sees the

897
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 3: guru's actions as bad and thinks badly of the Guru,

898
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 3: bad power will come to the devotee. If you think

899
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: that whatever the Guru does is correct, then good power

900
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: will come.

901
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: So this is almost Nietzschean and it's beyond good and

902
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: evil idea. There's also there's also a quote from an

903
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: ex member named Gabby Petris, who is able to go

904
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: on record or with their name. According to Petris, Masaru

905
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: predicts planet Earth is at the crossroads of splitting into

906
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: two planes of existence. High vibration fourth dimensional beings who

907
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: embody love, as to his students, will ascend to a

908
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: less physical realm featuring telepathic group consciousness, low vibration third

909
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: dimensional beings that's you, me, and Paul Nol that MAT's

910
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: a cloud load vibration. Third dimensional beings who embody negativity

911
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: are on a quote ship going down. So there's nothing

912
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: specific or physical, right. I think that's very important. There's

913
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: no prediction of an imminent physical apocalyptic event. However, for

914
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: people who again are reading into this, there seems to

915
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: be a dark disturbance. And this is so new that

916
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: we you know, we're we're reporting on something that is

917
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: happening now. It's quite possible that it changes in the

918
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: future and we have to update it.

919
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 3: For me though, the thing that's that's striking about this

920
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 3: this guy is, you know, when you think of a

921
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: true guru or a true leader, often they eschew material things.

922
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 3: But if you check out this guy's instagram, he is

923
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 3: a big time all about material things fall or he

924
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: has you know, rented million dollar mansions, and is you know,

925
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 3: constantly taking selfies, smoking fine cigars and posing shirtless in

926
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: the mirror. I mean, he is clearly quite into himself,

927
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: and not to say there's anything wrong with that, and

928
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 3: in fact, part of his rhetoric is that that is

929
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 3: okay and that that's a part of it. You are

930
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,720
Speaker 3: a god, you know, you are the best version of yourself.

931
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 3: You should be this kind of hedonism, the idea of

932
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 3: sort of pursuing your bliss, I guess, but it doesn't

933
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 3: quite jive with his, you know, sort of self actualization

934
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 3: kind of.

935
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: But it actually, it actually it jives perfect. Really, I'll

936
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: tell you why. There's a video on there on the

937
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: co Infinity page called Meet Bentino Masorro, a spiritual teacher

938
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 2: for the Next Generation. Here is a quote from that video,

939
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 2: and it's Bentino talking after after it has him like

940
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: a setup to the video. Then it has a long

941
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: montage of like a dance party, rave kind of thing

942
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: in the middle of wherever it is that they're having

943
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: this talk, a long like slow motion dance party. Then

944
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: it cuts back to Bentino and he says this, technically,

945
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: feeling good is your only job because when you feel good,

946
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 2: literally everything else takes care of itself. Now, this doesn't

947
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: mean that we don't take action, we don't act in

948
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: our visions. It simply means that without feeling good first,

949
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: you're not even in the same wavelength as inspiration. You

950
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: cannot get access to thoughts that offer solutions instead of problems,

951
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: joy instead of depression. So in order to be in

952
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: the proper state, all you have to do is be

953
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: in the moment, tune into yourself, and ask yourself intuitively,

954
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: what is the most exciting thing I could be thinking

955
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 2: of or doing right now. So I think for me,

956
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: that's that perfectly embodies smoking a fine cigar, hanging out

957
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: at a mansion using the money that I got from

958
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: these donations. I'm doing what's making me happy right now.

959
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 3: And yet he pushes fasting on his followers, where he

960
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: says they can only drink grape juice and shouldn't eat

961
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 3: any food or water. It just kind of feels like

962
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: the rules don't apply to him. That's all I'm saying.

963
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: It's really important that put this in here, because gosh,

964
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: those folks, as you're listening, you're wondering why one of

965
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: us doesn't say this. This is spot on with l

966
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: Ron Hubbard, aka the commodore in scientology. This is spot

967
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: on with the pigs in animal farm. There is a

968
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: very it's very there is a convenience of equality, a

969
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: quality for me because I get it, because I'm in

970
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: on it. That's why I'm in charge, right And the

971
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: people who are in the fasting programs are not experiencing

972
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: this kind of joy. What they're experiencing are chronic health problems.

973
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: Their teeth are falling out, their hair is falling out.

974
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: And this is similar to things you'll hear like the

975
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: scientology's infamous niasin treatments. Yeah, or the whole or the whole. Right,

976
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,959
Speaker 1: So we we want to be want to be as

977
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: fair as possible with this, but that is that is paradoxical,

978
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: and it does stick out. And paradoxical is a word

979
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: that Masorro uses in his own defense. Because, as we

980
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier at the top of the show, we felt

981
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: it necessary to give you a couple excerpts from Trinfinity's

982
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: reply to this article.

983
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: The blog post was called our first official response to

984
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: the cult accusations. Quote. At some point something like this

985
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: was going to rise. It always does for people in

986
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: my community. I encourage you to exhibit no anger or

987
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 2: judgment towards the author. That's nice.

988
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: You could pick the most saintly figures in history, and

989
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to, you could pick them apart

990
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: and reassemble them to meet any agenda you may have

991
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: in how you wish to think of them. There's an

992
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: important part there too, where they say the author of

993
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: this article was out to create a false sensationalist piece,

994
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: and my transparency and paradoxical but innocent expressions over the

995
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: years made this an easy picture for her to paint.

996
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: It says, I am not an abuser, and I am

997
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: not out to gain power over others. But decide for yourself.

998
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 3: If I have any upset over this, it is for

999
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 3: the people who have put in tremendous effort and commitment

1000
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: to applying the work and elevating their lives and are

1001
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: now left represented as people who have no ability to

1002
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 3: discern and are lost in their following of me. And

1003
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: then he goes on to say that calling it a

1004
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: cult is quite an assertion to make and honors no one.

1005
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: There is ever so much more to an entity than

1006
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 3: meets the eye. This is part of the message I

1007
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: wish to embody through my occasionally paradoxical appearances. Never judge

1008
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 3: the surface of any situation, person or motivation. In fact,

1009
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: never judge at all. See beyond the surface and be free,

1010
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 3: be love. And I do want to say too that

1011
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 3: with the SoundCloud page from Batgirl that you can find

1012
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: there's an interview with one of the followers, and the

1013
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 3: person very casually asks how they feel about being referred

1014
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 3: to as a cult, and the person says, well, if

1015
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: it's a cult, it's a cult I want to be in.

1016
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 3: You know, there's that.

1017
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: There is a lot of positivity that you will see,

1018
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: at least again, I'm trying not to judge them on

1019
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: the surface, but on the surface there seems to be

1020
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: a ton of positivity, sure, and things that you would

1021
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: want to take away that feel good, Like that when

1022
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 2: we were talking about, you know, find joy and pursue

1023
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: joy and everything else is going to fall into place.

1024
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: That sounds great, Yeah, but what how do we define joy?

1025
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: A great deal of human tragedy is people selfishly pursuing

1026
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: something that brings joy to them at the expense and

1027
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: the physical emotional danger of others. People are selfish dicks,

1028
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: It's true. And this leads us to some questions. Is

1029
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: it's a shame. There's a lot of stuff we didn't

1030
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: get to today, folks, but we're running a little long,

1031
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: so we may have to come back for an update.

1032
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: As we said, this is developing. We hope that we

1033
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: have fairly represented both the concerns and the claims in here,

1034
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: so as Matt said, not to judge at the surface,

1035
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: but these things sound inspiring, hopeful, and even attainable. And Matt,

1036
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: you you dropped a quote here in the notes that

1037
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: I want to give you the honor of.

1038
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Well, basically, what he's saying is let your

1039
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: passion guide you follow your dreams. Right. Uh. For some

1040
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: people it means I'll finally make that podcast about Badger

1041
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: Bags that I've been talking about for the last two years.

1042
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: For others, it means I will become the next top chef.

1043
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: I feel like you took an indirect shot at me there, buddy.

1044
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 3: Oh the Badger Bags podcast.

1045
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: It's coming, man, And I think you can follow your

1046
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: passion one day, and you're gonna be able to do it.

1047
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: I believe in both of you, even you and your

1048
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 3: current gash of state.

1049
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: Oh thank you so much. But the question I wanted

1050
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: to leave here is with these kinds of teachings, they

1051
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: are very positive for somebody who has an aspiration that

1052
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: is positive for other people or even for themselves, but

1053
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: it's not going to harm anybody else. What if somebody's

1054
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: joy that they're really following kind of the point that

1055
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: Ben made earlier, what if their joy is harming other people.

1056
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 2: What if they're the most exciting thing they could be

1057
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: doing right now is a brutal crime.

1058
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: Have you guys heard of mccamee manner.

1059
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: No M A N O R. Right. Yeah.

1060
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 3: It's like an extreme haunted house that was in San

1061
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 3: Diego for a long time where they like kidnap you

1062
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: and you and shave your head and force feeds you

1063
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: horrible things. This is a really extreme example. But the

1064
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: guy that runs it, last name is McCamey. He videos everything.

1065
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: Everyone that comes in there. They all come in there willingly,

1066
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 3: right waiver that totally signs away all their rights to sue.

1067
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 3: There's no safe word. You're in there until he's done

1068
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 3: with you, and he's up in your face the whole time,

1069
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 3: you know, getting footage of you being brutalized and tortured.

1070
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: And some people sign up and come back and do

1071
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 3: it again. I'm not saying that is directly with this

1072
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 3: his life, but it's sort of an extreme example that

1073
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 3: I think warrants comparison because, like you're saying, if people

1074
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 3: will willingly submit to something that is not ultimately good

1075
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 3: for them, right sure, and especially given the promise of

1076
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 3: something new you know, something different.

1077
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: Something beyond, something not understandable, like.

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Speaker 1: The same reason people open the Lemo Kond configuration in

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Speaker 1: hell Raiser.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, pushing yourself as far as possible, whether spiritually or physically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, quite possibly. I mean we know that for many

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Speaker 1: people many For many people, joy emotions in general are complex,

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Speaker 1: often difficult to discern things. We have questions for you

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Speaker 1: as well. We'd like to hear from you. Do you

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Speaker 1: think what's your take on these sorts of movements and

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Speaker 1: how they exist in the digital age? Are the harmless

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Speaker 1: new iteration of some tale as old as time to

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Speaker 1: steal the line from Beauty and the Beast? Is there

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Speaker 1: something new that's fun na mentally changing them? And if so,

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Speaker 1: how is it for the better? Is it for the worse?

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Speaker 1: Is it dangerous? Do you consider this movement and things

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Speaker 1: like it a cult, as our author b. Schofield clearly does,

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Speaker 1: and this one I really want to know. Do you

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Speaker 1: have any other examples for us?

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Speaker 2: And also have you been to a Masorrow retreat or

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Speaker 2: maybe been to a talk or you know, and you

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Speaker 2: feel like you've come out with something positive and you're

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Speaker 2: okay with everything?

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Speaker 1: Is the author being unfair?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are we being unfair?

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Speaker 2: Let us know, right, and that's the end of this

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