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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome was that was that

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Speaker 2: was of good afternoon, everyone, everyone's, everyone's. I should say

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Speaker 2: thank y'all for joining us for our solo pod. For

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Speaker 2: those of you all who have been rocking with us

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Speaker 2: on this for a couple of for a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks or months, I should say, you know that we've

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Speaker 2: been trying to organize this, these particular lives to be

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Speaker 2: around well. The process of organizing, how do we movement build?

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Speaker 2: How do we how do we bring together people with

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Speaker 2: share belief systems who are either excited or agitated by

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Speaker 2: the same thing, get us on common accord and uh

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Speaker 2: define a clear objective and go after it. And over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, I've been personally involved as

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Speaker 2: an alumni of Florida and Universe City and as a

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Speaker 2: former member of the university's board of trustees, involved in

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Speaker 2: the pushback effort at Florida and M University, which of

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Speaker 2: course is the largest single campus HBCU in the country.

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Speaker 2: I would argue probably responsible for the production of more

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Speaker 2: of Florida's black middle class than any other singular institution.

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Speaker 2: But together with our other HBCU partners, the others being

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Speaker 2: private throughout the state, and obviously brothers and sisters at

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Speaker 2: PWIS as well, you know, I've come together to really

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Speaker 2: have significant impact. And of late the university has been

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Speaker 2: in an effort to find a new president. Not an

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Speaker 2: uncommon thing. However, what does strike uncommon in this situation

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Speaker 2: has been the really heavy hand of the far right

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Speaker 2: in this state, and frankly, i'd argue, maybe suggest in

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Speaker 2: this country to really want to take over the helm

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Speaker 2: of Florida m University at every level, wholesale university president,

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Speaker 2: chair of the university's board of trustees. You know, we've

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Speaker 2: already heard them speak out loud about their efforts to

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Speaker 2: purify these campuses, to get rid of certain books, to

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Speaker 2: extinguish a way, a certain curriculum, And honestly, I fear

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Speaker 2: that in this situation, everything they have already told us

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Speaker 2: out loud, everything that they think about us from DEI,

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Speaker 2: which they are the masters of right, didn't earn it

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Speaker 2: all the way down to what we've seen happen to

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Speaker 2: our museums, our books. The Librarian of Congress, who was

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Speaker 2: accused by the White House Press secretary of putting improper

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Speaker 2: books at the at the Congressional Library, which by the way,

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Speaker 2: collects two copies of every single book that has ever

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Speaker 2: been copywritten in this country. That's as job. But leasing

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Speaker 2: books out to young students that are inappropriate just a

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Speaker 2: quick correction, a matter of secretary. The Library of Congress

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Speaker 2: does not have an interface with the public subs that

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Speaker 2: they can books. They can't check them out, can't get

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Speaker 2: a card and go and take books off the shelf,

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Speaker 2: take them home and read them. Okay, you have the

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Speaker 2: local public library. That's not what the Library of Congress's

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Speaker 2: job is. Let's look that up, especially when you're speaking

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Speaker 2: from the perch of the presidential podium. That being said, y'all,

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Speaker 2: I digress. This is a real serious matter, a serious topic.

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Speaker 2: And whether you are a alumnus of an HBCU and

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Speaker 2: alumnus of FAM, a supporter of those institutions or support

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Speaker 2: specifically at Florida a m university, if you care about HBCUs,

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Speaker 2: if you care about the future of the contributions that

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Speaker 2: black folks make in this country writ large period, then

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Speaker 2: you've got to be paying attention to what's happening when

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Speaker 2: they go after again the largest single campus HBCU in

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Speaker 2: the country in the top one hundred rated by Princeton

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Speaker 2: Review Time magazine. All of the evaluators who put us

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Speaker 2: in good company with some of our private HBCU partners,

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Speaker 2: and retention, graduation and then placement of black people from

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Speaker 2: all parts of the world in this country. That process

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Speaker 2: at Florida am University has consumed a lot of us

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Speaker 2: because we don't just see it as a candidate that

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Speaker 2: has not qualified for the position. We see a candidate

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Speaker 2: and not qualified for the position. Yes, that was forged

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Speaker 2: into a list of finalists of which she was not

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Speaker 2: an initial part of. But we also see the play

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Speaker 2: behind the play, and even if the candidate that they

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Speaker 2: term useful idiots and those of folks who may pursue

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Speaker 2: behind the mission. I don't know what it's true about that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's false about it either, but I

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Speaker 2: do know what I hear from Trump. I do know

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Speaker 2: that their leadership style is that of a totalitarian leader,

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Speaker 2: they both frankly have the same Achilli's heel, which is,

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Speaker 2: while they project an image of strength, all powerful, all knowing,

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Speaker 2: about that. There's nothing strong about strong arming people, using

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Speaker 2: the weight and power of the government and taxpayers resources

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Speaker 2: to beat people into complicity. See that they do what

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Speaker 2: you want them to do well. I've invited a few friends, experts,

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Speaker 2: folks who have a relationship with Florida University but are

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Speaker 2: expert in other places as well. One of my yes,

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Speaker 2: maybe having a few technical problems, so we may bring

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Speaker 2: invite on doctor Kanisha Grant, tenured professor at the Howard University,

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Speaker 2: a graduate of Florida a M University, a former student

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Speaker 2: government vice president at the Campus of fam you Uh,

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Speaker 2: and a dear, dear, dear personal friend. Doctor Grant welcome.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we can bring a guest you go, guess you go.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, Doc, welcome.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, thank you for having me. I'm so happy

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Speaker 3: to be with you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that you see. Normally, my good friend doctor Grant,

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Speaker 2: as you know, she does the Christian Amanpour and she's

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Speaker 2: Al Jazeera and she's doing all the international things. But

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Speaker 2: like all good rattlers, when we hear a call, we

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Speaker 2: show up. Uh, and we show up ready for it

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Speaker 2: And Kanisha, I'm so sorry, doctor Grant. I just want

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Speaker 2: to I want to one thank you for making time

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Speaker 2: to congratulate you. She is one of the youngest tenured

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Speaker 2: professors at Howard University and is again continue to give

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Speaker 2: back to the College of Love and Charity. But Knisian,

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Speaker 2: you know this well. Fam You told us to fight

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Speaker 2: and win whatever the battle be. That is in ol

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Speaker 2: al Mamria, which we both know well. So the battle

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Speaker 2: is upon us. Tell me, in your own words, what

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Speaker 2: about this presidential search process and where we are in it,

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Speaker 2: which you can bring people up to speed on which

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Speaker 2: I've not done yet. That gives you the greatest degree

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Speaker 2: of concern heartburn, not for yourself, per se but for

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Speaker 2: the future of the institution.

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Speaker 3: There are so many answers to that question. So first

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Speaker 3: let me say thanks for being out and happy to

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Speaker 3: Kindichians today. I don't have to be doctor Grant. I

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Speaker 3: mean the world is about slip up. No, I mean

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Speaker 3: like called Mekindicia. But in terms of what is I

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Speaker 3: think wrong, I come to this as a scholar. I

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Speaker 3: come to this as a person with a PhD.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I come to this as a person who is considered

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Speaker 3: being in university leadership. And so the thing that strikes

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Speaker 3: me first as a function of my lived experience, is

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Speaker 3: that an individual who's wholly unqualified to be an academic,

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Speaker 3: to be leading an academic institution, to be leading academicians,

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Speaker 3: would think that they could just show up and do

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Speaker 3: the job. That an academic institution is no different than

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Speaker 3: any other institution. I think it's the thing that I

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Speaker 3: find most defensive. I show up at Howard University every day,

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Speaker 3: and I show up to fight for fam you today

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Speaker 3: with the understanding that academic institutions are not corporations. They

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Speaker 3: are different, They are set apart. They are places where

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Speaker 3: we create new knowledge there are places where we shape

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Speaker 3: not corporations. My students are not my customers. And so

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Speaker 3: the idea that this person would show up with a

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Speaker 3: care for, I find problematic as a scholar, but then

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Speaker 3: as a rattler, as a person who bleeds orange and green,

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Speaker 3: who believes that like who I am is powerfully and

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Speaker 3: positively shaped by Famiu's role in my life, I am

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Speaker 3: pissed off that this person would show up with a

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Speaker 3: lack of understanding about our culture, about what family means

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Speaker 3: to us personally, about what it means to the state,

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Speaker 3: about what it means for upward mobility for people in

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Speaker 3: the state of Florida. But the people on this stream

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Speaker 3: right now, you and I are first generation college graduates,

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Speaker 3: right and in your particular case, the people who come

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Speaker 3: behind you end up getting baccalaureate degrees because that's what

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Speaker 3: college does. The people who come after you generally do

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Speaker 3: I think the things that frustrate me are the deep

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Speaker 3: mention the issues around process. How did this person get

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Speaker 3: to be in the pool of finalists is a question

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Speaker 3: that I have as a person who knows how search

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Speaker 3: public institution, Yet they have these presidential searches set up

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: So these kind of inconsistencies are the things that are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Canisia. You mentioned something I think we should deepen

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Speaker 2: happen at fam You like, what is going y'all sleep

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Speaker 2: in the quest to really control all instruments of the state.

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Speaker 2: The government has gone against the will of the people,

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Speaker 2: for by my tax dollars here in this government, what

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Speaker 2: you do in that position, the negotiations you have, who

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Speaker 2: when people don't get to see what's happening behind the process.

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Speaker 2: It used to be when a presidential search process opened

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Speaker 2: in the state of Florida, everybody knew it. You saw

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Speaker 2: candidate applications as they were rolling in quite literally. And

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Speaker 2: since the days of Rohnda Scientis and the few years

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Speaker 2: of Rick Scott as governor, we've seen a shutting down

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Speaker 2: to vet the candidates come out with their set of recommendations.

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Speaker 2: And what a number of universities have done in this

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Speaker 2: state is they've gone through that secretive process and then

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Speaker 2: What what what could we possibly derive from that as

437
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Speaker 2: a signal of what their plans may be for the institution.

438
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Speaker 2: And I want to now lean, you know, sort of

439
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Speaker 2: lean on you around this question of what is the

440
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Speaker 2: as you understand it, where we are in the process

441
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Speaker 2: her selection by the Board of Trustees, a condition I

442
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Speaker 2: covered already. You know this, this very trunk created process

443
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 2: that keeps the public out into their very last minute.

444
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Speaker 2: Everybody's calling us, texting you, asking us, how do we

445
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Speaker 2: let this happen? And fam you it's a fate of

446
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Speaker 2: complete She is the next you know, the thirteenth President,

447
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Speaker 2: thirteenth and unlucky number. Even hotels admit the thirteenth floor anyway,

448
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 2: So how do we get here and how do we

449
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: let the doors fly open here? Can you please, for

450
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Speaker 2: the record straighten where we are in the process. Number one,

451
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Speaker 2: Monica that there's some steps remaining. And then two, if

452
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Speaker 2: I'm not a rattler, if I'm not a fam you

453
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Speaker 2: and maybe I didn't go to college, why is this

454
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Speaker 2: important to me?

455
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Speaker 4: Yeah? So, first of all, thank you for the patients

456
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: and for inviting me.

457
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Speaker 5: So I think where we are in the process is

458
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Speaker 5: the Border Trustees has tentatively approved her to be the

459
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Speaker 5: thirteenth president. Now it's contingent upon them negotiating her employment

460
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Speaker 5: contract because there's a salary involved in that. There's some

461
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Speaker 5: other things that are involved in that too, and so

462
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Speaker 5: there's a negotiation of her employment contract that has to happen.

463
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Speaker 4: And then once that's.

464
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Speaker 5: Negotiated between the Border Trustees and her or her attorney. Arguably,

465
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Speaker 5: based on the statute, the state of Florida can only

466
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Speaker 5: where the university system can only provide tw hundred and

467
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Speaker 5: fifty thousand dollars towards her salary. So the remaining amount

468
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Speaker 5: of that money has to come from an alternative source. Right,

469
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Speaker 5: So the statue from our recollection is pretty vague on

470
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Speaker 5: what that alternative source is. Typically it comes from the foundation.

471
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Speaker 5: And so once that is approved, and once the contract

472
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Speaker 5: is negotiated, it will go to the Board of Governors,

473
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Speaker 5: and the Board of Governors will either say yes or no.

474
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Speaker 5: Typically they're probably going to say yes, they will interview,

475
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Speaker 5: they will interview her. I've not seen a situation where

476
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Speaker 5: in this new process where the Board of Governors has

477
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Speaker 5: said no to the Board of Trustees or particular universities

478
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Speaker 5: selection of a president. I could be wrong, You're probably

479
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Speaker 5: more okay, So I would say that that's probably other

480
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Speaker 5: than the negotiation of her employment contract. That's the next step, right,

481
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Speaker 5: So there are some additional steps that have to go

482
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Speaker 5: along before she's permanent.

483
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Speaker 4: So I hear a lot of people saying.

484
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Speaker 5: She's the thirteenth, she's the thirteenth, she's the thirteenth selected tentative.

485
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 4: New subjected, Yeah, tentatively.

486
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Speaker 5: Because there's a lot of other steps that have to

487
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 5: go along the process.

488
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Speaker 4: And so go ahead.

489
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Speaker 2: Don't go to that second question that I asked you,

490
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Speaker 2: because I want you to further on this one. I

491
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: want you to further on the Board of Governors does

492
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: not typically disagree with the board of trustees from a

493
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: university and their recommendation for their president. But in this case,

494
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Speaker 2: I want you to just illuminate how active this board

495
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Speaker 2: of governors has been up into including the day before

496
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Speaker 2: the vote. Something very interesting happening in the process. Can

497
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Speaker 2: you bring us a speed on that.

498
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so if you all recall, for those who have

499
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 5: not been really kind of paying attention to the process.

500
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Speaker 5: Any board of member of a board of trustees, for

501
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 5: any member of the any university in the state university system,

502
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 5: a trustee must be confirmed by the Senate. There was

503
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Speaker 5: a trustee that was there tentatively, Ernie Ellison, who was

504
00:27:54,359 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 5: there during the selection process, and I think what happened,

505
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 5: from my understanding, is that Trustee Ellison, mister Ellison, questioned

506
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Speaker 5: the process, the selection process in terms of how miss

507
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: Johnson elevated to the four finalists. There was some questions

508
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 5: about perhaps there was not necessarily impropriety, but there were

509
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 5: some questions and conversations about how it is she got

510
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Speaker 5: to be one of the four. And he apparently made

511
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Speaker 5: a motion.

512
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Speaker 2: It did not pass, but to hold the process, you

513
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 2: need to stop this process.

514
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: The process correctly. Did they stop it or to you

515
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 5: know undo it. He just said, let's pause it, which

516
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 5: is right to take a look at it, since there's

517
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 5: so many questions and to eliminate any notion of impropriety

518
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 5: or look of impropriety.

519
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Speaker 4: Let's take a look at this process.

520
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: And just pose it for a second, just to answer

521
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: the questions that are out there in the public sphere.

522
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Speaker 5: People didn't like that he was not confirmed by the Senate.

523
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 4: So the day.

524
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Speaker 5: Before the vote, the Board of Governors selects a person

525
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Speaker 5: to become onto the trustee board.

526
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Speaker 2: He's pulled off the board. He comes off in the

527
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Speaker 2: middle of this process.

528
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: Right, correct.

529
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: And then and.

530
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Speaker 5: Then so he's pulled off the board. The Board of

531
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Speaker 5: Governors selects another person, appoints another person to be on

532
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Speaker 5: the Board of Trustees, who also happened to also be

533
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Speaker 5: on the selection committee. Right, He's let's the vote happened

534
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 5: on Friday. He was appointed on Thursday afternoon. There's been

535
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Speaker 5: no confirmation from the Senate. Right, so you're appointed on date,

536
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Speaker 5: you're pointed on Thursday, you on the board on Friday,

537
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Speaker 5: and you have the opportunity to vote. Because there's apparently

538
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: a loophole in the statue. And you know, I've been

539
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 5: kind of looking at this to figure out whether or

540
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 5: not his vote was legitimate vote, because you do have

541
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Speaker 5: to be confirmed by the Senate. So there, to me,

542
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Speaker 5: there's a I'm gonna use shadiness in my opinion and

543
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 5: my estimation. I don't think they would do that with

544
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Speaker 5: any other university in the state university a system. To

545
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Speaker 5: be frank, I think it's questionable how someone can become

546
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Speaker 5: a trustee on day one and vote for the next

547
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Speaker 5: president on day two. Would arguably you've not sit on

548
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Speaker 5: any of the interviews. I will suggest that you have

549
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 5: not paid attention to any of the things that have

550
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: happened throughout the process of the week, and so kind

551
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 5: of like coming in blind and saying, yeah, I'll pick

552
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 5: that person. And so I think people have a right

553
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 5: to question the process from the beginning to the end,

554
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: question whether or not there's been some undue inappropriate influence

555
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 5: from other people relative to that particular trustees and other

556
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 5: trustees of the eight that voted for her. So there's

557
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 5: a lot of questions, a lot of red flags yellow

558
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 5: flags for me throughout this whole process, and so people

559
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 5: have a right to be extremely concerned about what's going on.

560
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Speaker 2: So I want to. I appreciate you bringing us to

561
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: speed on that. So y'all got it, got a new

562
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: board member the day before the board in full is

563
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: to select who they want to be the next president

564
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Speaker 2: of the university. Now, I just want to pull back

565
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: with our remaining few minutes and I'll invite Lolo in

566
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: to address any pressing questions. Is we talk very specifically

567
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 2: about FAM you and I'm sure there are people here

568
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: who are not family graduates maybe could care less about

569
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: their atlas, but they may themselves being to graduate and

570
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: therefore are are listening, and they may not be at all,

571
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: but are just curious about this conversation. I want you

572
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: all each Monica, you'll go first, just to enlighten us

573
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: from your perspective, why should anyone around the country care

574
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: about what's happening as it relates to this process.

575
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: I think the first for me, if you are a

576
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 5: graduate of an HBCU, particularly a public HBCU, this should

577
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 5: be very concerning for you.

578
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: FAM.

579
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 5: You is the largest arguably public HBCU in the country,

580
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: and so if MAGA, if they're able to manipulate the

581
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 5: process to do what they've done with us, to me,

582
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 5: that would suggest that there are smaller universities that should

583
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 5: be on guard. I mean, you saw what they did

584
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: to Harvard, and Harvard's a huge private institution, right. I

585
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 5: think for me, it's kind of the dumbing down of America.

586
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: Right. If your goal is to eliminate.

587
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 5: The workers, the people that are on the ground, the

588
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 5: people that are undocumented workers, and you're shipping them out.

589
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: Somebody has to do that work, right.

590
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 5: If someone's going to do that work, the way you

591
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 5: get those people to do the work is you ensure,

592
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 5: in my opinion, that the folks are not college educated

593
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: or you're not leaning them towards the college education track.

594
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: Right.

595
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: I'm not going out to pick blueberries for eleven dollars

596
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 5: an hour. I'm just not doing that, right. The folks

597
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 5: that are at HBCUs, who are getting at education are

598
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 5: not going to do that. But if you dumb down America,

599
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 5: you come in, You control what's being taught, what people

600
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 5: are allowed to say, challenging the First Amendment, people's a

601
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 5: right to gather and protest. It looks a lot like fascism.

602
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 5: I know that's a little boogey word that everybody's kind

603
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 5: of throwing out there, but it's starting at the university level.

604
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: It will actually started at the K through twelve level

605
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: in Florida.

606
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 5: I think you know where Florida is, everybody else goes.

607
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 5: And so I think, and I said this before Project

608
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five.

609
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: You saw it.

610
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: People who are in Florida saw it before it went national.

611
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Speaker 5: And so what I would suggest is you need to

612
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 5: kind of keep your eyes open because if they can

613
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 5: do it in Florida, they will absolutely.

614
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: Do it anywhere they want.

615
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 5: And the goal, in my estimation, is to control what's taught,

616
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Speaker 5: to control speech on the university level. Universities or places

617
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 5: where people have the ability to exchange thought, to have

618
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 5: discuss We may not agree on everything, but it's a

619
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Speaker 5: place where you can engage in free thought, free thought

620
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 5: and discussion without any punishment. Generally speaking, the goal in

621
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Speaker 5: my mind is to limit that or to stop eliminated

622
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 5: or reduce it significantly where you're just kind of creating

623
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 5: these cutting paste folks that kind of go, yeah, go

624
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 5: along with whatever it is you're saying, and just kind

625
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 5: of regurgitating the nonsense and information that's provided to you.

626
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 5: So it's scary. I think that we need to be

627
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 5: on extreme high alert. And I think that Florida is

628
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 5: a chess case for where everything else is going to go.

629
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

630
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Speaker 3: Again, I agree with most of what Monica said. I

631
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: think she's sitting in nails on the head. There's a

632
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: story that we could tell about what's happening to fam you,

633
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: in part because it's happening to fam you and that's

634
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Speaker 3: what we care about. So yes, but I think there's

635
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: a broader story that we could tell about black colleges

636
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: in general. But I would tell a story about like

637
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: black institutions in general. So we talk about black college,

638
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: we talk about black church. If you're listening in You

639
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: and the Links and you in D nine and all

640
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 3: of these kinds of things. Like, it is the case

641
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: that these places exists because we were in a society

642
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: in which we were segregated, and we had to go

643
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: off and make our own space and all of this

644
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: kind of thing. So we have done that, but as

645
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: society of all, we did that and did other things.

646
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: But these places that we created that we own have

647
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: been safe places for us to think, to organize, to live,

648
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: to be. And so what does it mean for folks

649
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: to come in and undo this kind of safe space?

650
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: I think to the extent that I'm worried about anything.

651
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: It's about like where this ends? Today? Has spam you?

652
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: Is it the ame church? Tomorrow? Are they going to

653
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: start telling adultas that the Deltas can't? I don't know,

654
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: march about stuff like where does this end? Would be

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Speaker 3: the question that I have. And I think to the

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Speaker 3: point that we are kind of alluding to, but that

657
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Speaker 3: I want to be very explicit about. This feels like

658
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Speaker 3: an attempt to reshape society. And I would say it

659
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Speaker 3: feels like trying to be friendly, but like they have

660
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Speaker 3: been very clear that they seek to reshape our society. So,

661
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Speaker 3: if we're going to make America great again, which America

662
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Speaker 3: are we making it great?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: Are we making it great like the America where I

665
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Speaker 3: was enslaved?

666
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Speaker 2: Is it great?

667
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Speaker 3: Like the one where I didn't have access to abortion?

668
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Speaker 3: Is it great? Like the one where I was even

669
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Speaker 3: further disenfranchised than I currently am?

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Speaker 4: Like?

671
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Speaker 3: Which one are we trying to get back to? And

672
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Speaker 3: so I think that we have to take these things

673
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Speaker 3: as a note that they're coming for us. And they

674
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Speaker 3: start with the educated negroes, but it don't end there.

675
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Speaker 3: It's everybody that.

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Speaker 2: They get it that's real, you know, the only other.

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Speaker 2: So a few quick responses. One, when you talk about

678
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Speaker 2: who they came for. First, we know that when first

679
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Speaker 2: generation black folks go, they get their degrees. Oftentimes they

680
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: turn right back around. They're paying rents and mortgages, intuitions

681
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Speaker 2: and mentoring cousins, siblings, and friends on what it means

682
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Speaker 2: to change your life. That you and I came up

683
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Speaker 2: right next to each other cause you saw the same

684
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Speaker 2: stuff I did. You experienced the same stuff that I did.

685
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Speaker 2: And guess what, I made a choice to do it

686
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Speaker 2: different this day, and this is how it's turning out.

687
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Speaker 2: And you can make the same choice. My older four

688
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: brothers didn't go to college because they weren't smart, the

689
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: avenues weren't there, and they didn't necessarily pursue them. When

690
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Speaker 2: I did, what happened the same. My two behind me

691
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Speaker 2: did the same damn thing. And one of the board

692
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Speaker 2: chair at Florida and the board chair Hopeful, Devron Gibbons

693
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Speaker 2: is I've noticed going around basically talking in audiences that

694
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Speaker 2: are not us, basically slamming family alumni about what alumni

695
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: giving levels are right if you meant that in love

696
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Speaker 2: and in charity and in friendship with the institution that's

697
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Speaker 2: your vice chair of the board and hoping to be chair.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't go to disparate audiences that aren't us and

699
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Speaker 2: talk that up. You would find a loving way to

700
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Speaker 2: communicate it. So even black folks can be co opted

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Speaker 2: and take on the majority white man perspective of treating

702
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Speaker 2: our institutions in US very paternalistically like they are the deciders.

703
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: They know better, and pity, pity, pity, pity, pity you

704
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Speaker 2: the reason they come after those who excel in this

705
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Speaker 2: society and chop the heads off first, because the effect

706
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Speaker 2: that we have on those who we're in close association

707
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Speaker 2: with can then also be cut off. Donald Trump has

708
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: given no apologies, neither has Rohnda Santis about the insecurity

709
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Speaker 2: they have with their children having to compete with us.

710
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: You see, they've been sold alive for so long about

711
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: being better, set apart, excellent in all ways, with no

712
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 2: competition and no comparable in close distance, and then reality

713
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Speaker 2: it me right. Then they meet you, and they meet Lolo,

714
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Speaker 2: and they meet Monica, and the story continues, and then

715
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Speaker 2: that life starts to be peeled apart because in competition

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Speaker 2: and the cream rises We're going to rise. Period. That's

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Speaker 2: why we are the way we are at FMU and

718
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Speaker 2: other hbc us because we are taught to believe that

719
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Speaker 2: we can do wherever and be wherever our mind and

720
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Speaker 2: our effort will take us. Lolo is in here, and

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Speaker 2: I want you, Lolo, to let us know if there's

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Speaker 2: some questions with our final five minutes that we've got

723
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Speaker 2: together that KG is going to speed through. And I

724
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Speaker 2: don't want to shut.

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Speaker 6: Up, I do have so Whitney Scott and Allison Smith

726
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Speaker 6: asked something there is like a similar question. Whitney says,

727
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Speaker 6: I am alone. How can I get involved? I'm ready

728
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Speaker 6: to get my boots on the ground to protect the

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Speaker 6: future of Van You and a lot of people said

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Speaker 6: the same thing, like what are the next steps?

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Speaker 4: What can we do about that?

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Speaker 2: That's where we were going to actually wrap what was

733
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Speaker 2: gonna be on next steps, But KG, I want you

734
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Speaker 2: to go directly to that. We've already let folks know

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Speaker 2: that while the process is along, that it is not complete,

736
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Speaker 2: and that means that there are other things that can

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Speaker 2: be done. What would you want people to do leaving

738
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Speaker 2: this if they want to take action?

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Speaker 3: So the first thing I want people to know is

740
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Speaker 3: that they're like ratlers thinking about this, and so you

741
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Speaker 3: at home, you're thinking about it. You stressed out, me too, girl.

742
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: But I'm calling my ratler friends to see what we

743
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Speaker 3: can do. And one of the things that I will

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Speaker 3: ask Whitney in particular to do is go to Keepers

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Speaker 3: of Flame eighteen eighty seven dot com into your information of.

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Speaker 2: The Flame eighteen eighty seven dot com and we'll also

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Speaker 2: include in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so as soon as we have a worked

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Speaker 3: out destination for you a thing for you to do,

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Speaker 3: we are going to email you. And when I say

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Speaker 3: as soon as, I mean like check your email. We

752
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 3: will be in touch soon this week, within the coming day.

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Speaker 2: Is it is it? Is it free? Is it too free? Okay? Okay,

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Speaker 2: in the.

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Speaker 3: Coming days, we'll have something to tell you. Certainly they

756
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Speaker 3: can do it this week.

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Speaker 2: Yes, But if you're going to that website, you can

758
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Speaker 2: enlist your name and your email addressing, contact information, and

759
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Speaker 2: that's how you'll you'll the informational filter. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is that I want to say

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Speaker 3: that I have been in conversations with people who are

762
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Speaker 3: like ready to cut their spite their face. Bam, you

763
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Speaker 3: is my house. That's my yard. That's not Marve's yard,

764
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Speaker 3: that's not Ron Desant's yard. And if you want to

765
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Speaker 3: come from my yard, you're gonna have to come through me.

766
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Speaker 3: And so I'm not about to not send money to

767
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Speaker 3: take care of my cousins in school because Marva's there.

768
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Speaker 3: I'm not about to not go to homecoming because Marva's there.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to homecoming. And when Marve started talking,

770
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Speaker 3: I might, you know, turn around and not, you know,

771
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Speaker 3: have something say to Marvor. But I'm gonna go to

772
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Speaker 3: my homecoming. She's not gonna run me out of my house,

773
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Speaker 3: all right, She's not gonna run me away from my foundation.

774
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Speaker 3: And so the other thing that I would say to

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Speaker 3: Route is who are paying attention? Is you could be

776
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Speaker 3: mad at the governor, you'd be mad at Marva, but

777
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Speaker 3: don't take that out. That's our house, that's our yard.

778
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Speaker 3: We defended at all costs, and they have to do

779
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Speaker 3: what we say do, not the other way around.

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Speaker 2: That's real, Monica, You're back in this. I want we

781
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Speaker 2: were just sharing what could people do? And I think

782
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Speaker 2: KGI wrap that well. So I want you to take

783
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Speaker 2: this next question, lo Low, if there is one more

784
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Speaker 2: that we may have time to hit before.

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Speaker 6: So the last question. We had a few more, but

786
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Speaker 6: I think you all did a really great job of

787
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Speaker 6: answering them. The last question would be why does this

788
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Speaker 6: even matter? And I've seen a lot of people in

789
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Speaker 6: the comments, people are talking about them being nervous about

790
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Speaker 6: this happening that their HBCU Tennessee state in general, I

791
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Speaker 6: mean in particular. So if you all wanted to answer

792
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Speaker 6: or talk to that question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Monica, you want to hit that the threat that

794
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Speaker 2: appears to be. Well, there was the question which is

795
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Speaker 2: why does it matter? Which I think you all kind

796
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Speaker 2: of hit on a little bit two questions back. But

797
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Speaker 2: if you're at an HBC and you're worried about this

798
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: coming down your street, what do you say? I mean,

799
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Speaker 2: I think you just have to stay vigilant.

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Speaker 4: I think Kenisian mentioned it.

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Speaker 5: One of the things I really tell alumni is HBCUs,

802
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 5: particularly public HBCUs, we cannot just solely rely on state dollars.

803
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Speaker 5: We've got it as alumni, give back and give back consistently, right,

804
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 5: That's the first thing. Secondly, you just have to kind

805
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 5: of stay involved and engaged. You can't just be engaged

806
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 5: once a year during homecoming. You have to stay engaged

807
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 5: and stay vigilant consistently throughout the year. The third thing

808
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Speaker 5: I will say is a lot of this has to

809
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 5: do with and people hate to go back to this,

810
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 5: people got to vote. Some of this has a lot

811
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Speaker 5: to do with the fact of who's in office. Like

812
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Speaker 5: in Florida, the person, the person that makes these decisions

813
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Speaker 5: and placing these people on the board of trustees is

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Speaker 5: the governor.

815
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Speaker 4: The board of government, the board of governors.

816
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Speaker 5: The governor puts those people in positions, puts those people

817
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Speaker 5: in those positions. The folks on the board of trustees,

818
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Speaker 5: the governor appoints those individuals.

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Speaker 4: So a lot of this kind of goes down.

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Speaker 5: I know people hate to say that, but you got

821
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Speaker 5: to stay engaged in your alumni you have and your

822
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Speaker 5: alumni association, stay engaged, and you with your school and

823
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Speaker 5: give back consistently, increase those give rates.

824
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Speaker 3: And then you got people have to vote.

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Speaker 5: I mean, bottom line, And I know people hate when

826
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Speaker 5: you say that, but that really is what this is.

827
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Speaker 5: But but for but for with the governor that we have,

828
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Speaker 5: things could look a lot different.

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Speaker 3: I just leave that there.

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Speaker 2: That's real. That's real. I wouldn't be moderating this panel

831
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Speaker 2: had it looked quite different. And I'm joking, but I

832
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Speaker 2: will say this there might well quite serious. I will,

833
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Speaker 2: I would, I would. I would only add to what

834
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: Monica said that in this day and age, the reason

835
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Speaker 2: why you have to care about what is happening at

836
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Speaker 2: FAM you is because they chose the largest single campus,

837
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Speaker 2: HBCU to try to infiltrate from MAGA first. And it's

838
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Speaker 2: their belief. And by the way, if you watch Trump

839
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Speaker 2: at all, if you watched the sentence at all, it

840
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Speaker 2: was the first thing this net is did. He punched

841
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Speaker 2: Walt Disney World. Trump gets in office, he punches all

842
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Speaker 2: of us, right, Ain't nobody left safe? And the reason

843
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: they do that is if you take out the biggest,

844
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Speaker 2: baddest thing you see on the block, no disrespect to

845
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Speaker 2: anybody else, then everything else falls falls like the house

846
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Speaker 2: of cards. And so know that this is them perfecting

847
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: the strategy of what it means to not just get

848
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Speaker 2: into Harvard, into Columbia and destruct those institutions because the

849
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: kids can't get it. But it is to come now

850
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Speaker 2: for black folk who you already think nothing of, You

851
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: already say we don't earn what it is that we've got.

852
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: You already think that we're not worth the time that

853
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Speaker 2: is spent or the resources that are allocated. So now

854
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: let's just figure out how we start to you know,

855
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Speaker 2: take those away too. Look, y'all, over the course of

856
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: history we have to learn from it. Cinicians already alluded

857
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 2: to this. We had slavery, we had emancipation. After emancipation,

858
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Speaker 2: we had reconstruction. Right, things started to look better, at

859
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: least they said they were going to be better. And

860
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Speaker 2: then what did they do? They caught it back and

861
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: we had Jim Crow. And then we have, you know,

862
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: the answer to Jim Crow, where we then get equality

863
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: laws and amendments of the constitution that make us more

864
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Speaker 2: full and more hole in the eyes of the law.

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Speaker 2: And guess what, y'all, We then go on to elect

866
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Speaker 2: a black president and then a woman nominee, a black

867
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Speaker 2: woman to come to have the audacity to pursue the

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Speaker 2: position as well. And now this society, based off its

869
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Speaker 2: majority's actions, are in full cell panic. And we're going

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Speaker 2: back to the take back. You make a game and

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Speaker 2: you get a clawback, and this clawback now is coming

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Speaker 2: up all of our avenues, all of our avenues, Kanisha.

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Speaker 2: As we round out right now, I want you to please, please, please,

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Speaker 2: because this is a large part about organizing, is when

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Speaker 2: you get a setback as big as the one that

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Speaker 2: was delivered to those who care about fam you and

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Speaker 2: his future with the Board of Trustees deciding as it

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Speaker 2: did to elevate Marva to the Board of Governors as

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Speaker 2: its next president. That's a big, big setback. But contextualize

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Speaker 2: a setback when we're thinking about a war, right, so

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Speaker 2: a battle of a president or of any battle that

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Speaker 2: you're in, and contextualize that in the scope of a war.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I will say I think two things, one

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Speaker 3: on fame you and then maybe one more broadly. The

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Speaker 3: first is that the rallies, as we say, will strike

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Speaker 3: and strike and strike again, and so it's three strikes,

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Speaker 3: it's not one strike. And so you have to remember always.

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Speaker 3: So first of all, we have feelings, right, and so

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Speaker 3: feel your feelings right, you're mad, you jumping up and

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Speaker 3: like you want to punch the all whatever. You are

891
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: allowed to have your feelings. But after you let your

892
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Speaker 3: feelings pass through, then it's time for work. And so

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Speaker 3: we did suffer a major setback. But This is a

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Speaker 3: battle in a larger war for our university, for the

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Speaker 3: soul of Famu, and for I would say, the whole society.

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Speaker 3: Education is a piece of a bigger thing. And so

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Speaker 3: once you get your emotions out, I think you have

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Speaker 3: to take a step back and realize, Okay, this is

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Speaker 3: a small piece of a bigger thing. Let me attack

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Speaker 3: the bigger thing. How do you eat an elephant? An elephant,

901
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: You eat it bite by bite, right like. You can't

902
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: get overwhelmed. You can't drop out because something went badly

903
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: or went wrongly. You have to keep at it. One

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Speaker 3: of the things that I tell my students at Howard,

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Speaker 3: and one of the things I say often is I'm

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Speaker 3: reminded about Melissa Harris Perry, who was talking one day

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Speaker 3: about the movement, and she talks about how it was

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Speaker 3: the case that individuals lived and died enslaved, lived and

909
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: died as enslaved people, and every day they woke up

910
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: and fought, never knowing when freedom was going to come.

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00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: You have to carry your water, you have to carry

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00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: your ball down the field. Maybe freedom will come for

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Speaker 3: you while you are alive. The people who got emancipated

914
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Speaker 3: didn't know emancipation was coming. They didn't have Twitter, they

915
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: weren't on TikTok, they didn't have a way to know

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Speaker 3: that it was about to happen. But they got up

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Speaker 3: and fought anyway. Some of them got up, fought, lived

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Speaker 3: and died with nothing. And so happened that some of

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Speaker 3: them got up, fought, lived and saw the other side.

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Speaker 3: And so if my ancestors, you know, we're in the

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Speaker 3: fields of Georgia, slaving away right in Chris County, who

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00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: am I today to say that I'm too tired to

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Speaker 3: fight for the institution that has changed the life of

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Speaker 3: this same family from Chris County, Georgia. I can't do that,

925
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: and I would suggest that you can't either. And so

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Speaker 3: today we're talking about FAMU, but we could be talking

927
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Speaker 3: about what's in the library at your local elementary school.

928
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Speaker 3: We could be talking about heads start funding for your

929
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 3: baby and her daycare. We could be talking about any

930
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Speaker 3: number of educational things that are not just about college,

931
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Speaker 3: but that are about making life better for people. And

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Speaker 3: if we got to fight to make sure that these

933
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Speaker 3: babies are okay, I think that's a worthy fight that

934
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Speaker 3: we can deal with. It ain't enslavement and if they

935
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Speaker 3: can do it in this slavement, surely we could do it.

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Speaker 3: Here's for mmm.

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Speaker 2: Girl, that's a word you just preached, You preached, and

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Speaker 2: you were closing on that, yall. I want to welcome

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Speaker 2: everybody home who decided to tune in. Know that we're

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Speaker 2: going to stay on this not only because it's failed,

941
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Speaker 2: but we will continue to project out so that all

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Speaker 2: of us get to see ourselves in this picture. If

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Speaker 2: you don't see it clearly, we want to make it

944
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Speaker 2: clear for you, for those HBCUs that are afraid of

945
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Speaker 2: what's coming down the tracks.

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Speaker 4: For you.

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Speaker 2: We got to get in communication and coordination and in

948
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Speaker 2: contact with each other because the battle. Know this, if

949
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Speaker 2: we do what we're supposed to do and hold our

950
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Speaker 2: ground and keep fighting until there's no longer breath in

951
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Speaker 2: our bodies. But so long as we have it, we

952
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: will fight. Let me tell you, they'll think twice about

953
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Speaker 2: the next time that they want to come after us. Right,

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Speaker 2: So the lesson is going to be the shot of

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00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: the bout has come from them. And now we got

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Speaker 2: to sink the ship. And when we sink the ship,

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Speaker 2: that means that ship ain't coming for you at least

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Speaker 2: no time soon so y'all help us sink this ship

959
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: right now, because whether you know it or not, we

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Speaker 2: all in the boat together. Man, We are all in

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Speaker 2: this together. Lolo, thank you very much facilitating the question,

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Speaker 2: kg dtr Grant, Kenesha, all the names, all the things,

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Speaker 2: all the fields. I love you like my little sister,

964
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Speaker 2: because you are and I am so proud of you

965
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Speaker 2: and the knowledge you dropped today extremely extremely important and powerful.

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Speaker 2: Y'all are going to hear from her again because we're

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Speaker 2: bringing her back to talk about her book on Natal

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Speaker 2: Damn Pod. Thank y'all, welcome home. This has been an

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Speaker 2: episode of.

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Speaker 3: Our mini pod on organizing, Stay connect and don't forget

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Speaker 3: to meet us here into the next Monday or the monday, not.

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Speaker 2: This upcoming but the one after every other. All right, y'all,

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Speaker 2: take care of peace.

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