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Speaker 1: happen overnight late night East Coast tom around two thirty
Speaker 1: I think Bojes reported that the Clippers and the seventy
Speaker 1: six ers have agreed to a deal where James Harden
Speaker 1: is the focal point of the trade. He is going
Speaker 1: to the Clippers and in return Philadelphia gets some expiring
Speaker 1: contracts and some draft picks. I want to ask him
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Speaker 1: news the basketball trade. Now I'm looking at the odds
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Speaker 1: the Nuggets, the Suns, and the Clippers. Those are the
Speaker 1: top teams odds wise to win the NBA Championship. A
Speaker 1: couple of phone calls in here, and then we'll get
Speaker 1: to Chris mannis who will stop by? Mike and Louisiana. Hi, Mike,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 3: Dan?
Speaker 1: How you doing good? Mike?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 3: Hey? Six one two?
Speaker 5: Hope you can settle a debate for me.
Speaker 4: Who's college career what you prefer to have?
Speaker 5: Or Tim Tebow?
Speaker 1: Well, what comes along with Reggie Bush? Oh? Okay, so
Speaker 1: he wins a Heisman, loses a Heisman, uh, loses a
Speaker 1: national championship. I'd rather have Tim Tebow's career from the
Speaker 1: from the perspective of, you know, it was clean, he
Speaker 1: did it right, It was clean. Reggie to me a
Speaker 1: more dynamic player. Like it's one of those when you
Speaker 1: watch Reggie play, you knew you were watching somebody who
Speaker 1: was great. It wasn't like I don't know now, he
Speaker 1: wasn't a great NFL player. And I think when I
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to recall this, but I remember a
Speaker 1: source saying he's not gonna be able to run through,
Speaker 1: you know, defenses the way he did at USC. He
Speaker 1: didn't have a strong lower body. But you know, he
Speaker 1: might have been Christian McCaffrey before Christian McCaffrey if you
Speaker 1: look at how he's built. But Christian is a little
Speaker 1: bit stronger. He runs between the tackles. But I Reggie
Speaker 1: had a good career in the NFL. He didn't have
Speaker 1: a great career, and I would have thought he would
Speaker 1: have been electric and kick returning, catching passes also, you know,
Speaker 1: running the football.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, Like, if Reggie Bush were a second or
Speaker 6: third round draft pick, you'd say he had a really
Speaker 6: good career. You'd be like, what a great career. He
Speaker 6: had fifty five hundred rushing yards. He also had four
Speaker 6: hundred and seventy seven receptions, and I returned some kicks,
Speaker 6: so he was pretty good at that. Yeah, Like overall,
Speaker 6: he never had that seventeen hundred yard season or anything
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 1: But he lived up to the height more than Tim
Speaker 1: Tebow did when Tebow got to the NFL. But You know,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at a college career, Tebow's got one
Speaker 1: of the great careers of all. I mean, they both do.
Speaker 1: They were both wonderful, but I would probably take Tebo's
Speaker 1: because it was cleaner and you didn't bring down, you know,
Speaker 1: an entire football teams bringing Chris Mannix who joins us? Now, Chris,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Let me start with Philadelphia here.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand Joel Embiid. That's the first person
Speaker 1: I thought about when this happened. They get expiring contracts
Speaker 1: and draft picks. Harden didn't want to be there. Does
Speaker 1: Joel Embiid want to be there? Does he understand? What's
Speaker 1: I mean? Got to look around and go what is
Speaker 1: going on here?
Speaker 7: I think Joel Embiid is probably relieved to some degree
Speaker 7: that this is over before it could get any uglier
Speaker 7: in Philadelphia. Now, whether or not Joel Embiid becomes happy
Speaker 7: almost entirely depends on what Philadelphia does next. You know,
Speaker 7: they acquired two very appealing first round picks in this deal,
Speaker 7: the Clippers pick in twenty twenty six. In twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 7: When those picks go on the trade block, a lot
Speaker 7: of teams going to want them because nobody has any
Speaker 7: idea what the Clipper is going to look like in
Speaker 7: twenty six. In twenty nobody has an idea what the
Speaker 7: Clip is gonna look like next season. So those will
Speaker 7: be valuable in a trade. And you know two names
Speaker 7: I've heard from people around the league already that Philadelphia
Speaker 7: will likely look into Zach Levine. In Chicago, the Bulls,
Speaker 7: we already kind of know they're going nowhere, and the
Speaker 7: Raptors have been kind of on the precipice of rebuilding
Speaker 7: for over a year now. So if the Sixers can
Speaker 7: go out and get one of those two players or
Speaker 7: somebody else along those lines, I think Joel Embiid would
Speaker 7: be ecstatic. I mean, he's already got a really good
Speaker 7: running mate in Tyrese Maxi, who looks like he's ready
Speaker 7: to take that all Star step this season. If they
Speaker 7: get one more player and Leavine and Nanobi both do
Speaker 7: different things. Lavine solves the problem of an extra score
Speaker 7: and a ball handler. Annobe is someone they can throw
Speaker 7: at at Milwaukee in Boston in the postseason. In terms
Speaker 7: of wing defenders, I think that will make Joel Embiid happy.
Speaker 7: But right now, I think for Joel Embiid, it's probably
Speaker 7: wait and see what Philadelphia does next.
Speaker 1: Why did the Clippers want James Harden? You know, the
Speaker 1: Clippers have.
Speaker 7: Always wanted James Harden and or another point guard. They've
Speaker 7: not been you know, thrilled with or comfortable, I guess
Speaker 7: the better word with what they have at the point
Speaker 7: guard position. They really really wanted Drew Holiday. When Drew
Speaker 7: Holliday became available when he was traded to Portland, the
Speaker 7: Clippers really wanted him. They had some interest in Malcolm Brogden,
Speaker 7: but James Harden was the next guy on that list
Speaker 7: because it gives them a little bit of everything. You know,
Speaker 7: he can score, he can playmake, He's proven he can
Speaker 7: succeed on quality teams with quality stars around him. And
Speaker 7: this really is dan a tripling down on the present.
Speaker 7: Like this Clippers team is all in for this year.
Speaker 7: They've got Paul George and Kawhi Leonard who are currently
Speaker 7: effectively on expiring contracts. Both these guys have player options
Speaker 7: next year.
Speaker 1: Now you get James.
Speaker 7: Harden, who's also on an expiring contract, and you're just
Speaker 7: kind of pushing all your chips in the middle and
Speaker 7: hoping you're starting five, which on paper looks like one
Speaker 7: of the best starting fives in all of basketball. You know,
Speaker 7: can stay healthy and give you a chance in the
Speaker 7: Western Conference.
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to understand Harden, and that's a dangerous
Speaker 1: game to play. That he wants to be James Harden
Speaker 1: in the playoffs where you get to put up forty points.
Speaker 1: That he doesn't want to be the guy who gets
Speaker 1: eleven assists in twenty one points. He wants to be
Speaker 1: more of the James Harden I get to have fun.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna do that with the Clippers.
Speaker 7: Well, I think he can because one thing, in fairness
Speaker 7: to James Harden, when he got to Philadelphia, he changed
Speaker 7: his game. He became much more facilitator than he was,
Speaker 7: certainly in Houston and also in Brooklyn. I mean, led
Speaker 7: the league in assists last season. I mean, he was
Speaker 7: a playmaker for them. His disappearance in the playoffs, particularly
Speaker 7: the last two games of that Boston series, was certainly alarming,
Speaker 7: and that was probably the reason. You know, Philadelphia wasn't
Speaker 7: willing to go as high on a contract that James
Speaker 7: Harden would have liked in the offseason. But I think
Speaker 7: James Harden if he's happy, which right now currently at
Speaker 7: you know, eleven o'clock Eastern on a Tuesday, he is.
Speaker 7: If he's happy, I think he's going to be a
Speaker 7: net plus, you know for the Clippers. I think he's
Speaker 7: gonna find ways to to facilitate with that Clippers team.
Speaker 7: And when it comes down to it, James Harden can
Speaker 7: always go out and get his shots. And one thing
Speaker 7: to remember too, Dan is you know load management is
Speaker 7: you know, being discouraged. But the Clippers are still going
Speaker 7: to load manage. I mean, Kawhi Leonard is not going
Speaker 7: to play seventy games, neither will Paul George. So James
Speaker 7: Harden is going to get opportunities during the regular season
Speaker 7: to be the James Harden of old if he wants to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I he was great during the regular season with
Speaker 1: the Sixers with his role, and then Doc Rivers came
Speaker 1: on and said, look it changed at the All Star
Speaker 1: Game when James wasn't named to the All Star team.
Speaker 1: That's when he think that thinks he he wanted to
Speaker 1: go back and be the James Harden. I'm going to score.
Speaker 1: I want it, I want my shots there. He's gonna
Speaker 1: want to be the same player when he goes to
Speaker 1: the Clippers.
Speaker 8: You know, Dan.
Speaker 7: The only thing I would add, though, is if James
Speaker 7: Harden screws this up, I don't know where he plays
Speaker 7: next season. I don't know what the market is for
Speaker 7: James Harden next seas. I mean, the backdrop of all
Speaker 7: this drama in Philadelphia is that James Harden wanted a
Speaker 7: multi year contract. Like we wouldn't be sitting here having
Speaker 7: this conversation if the Sixers offered like three years and
Speaker 7: one hundred million. The Sixers didn't want to do that, understandably,
Speaker 7: but James Harden wants that next deal. So if only
Speaker 7: for the short term, I do think you're going to
Speaker 7: get the very best of James Harden. That's behavior James Harden.
Speaker 7: I think the Clippers for one year are going to
Speaker 7: benefit from James Harden, if only, if only out of
Speaker 7: self preservation, you know, wanting to be the best version
Speaker 7: of himself.
Speaker 1: Okay, do they Does he have a better chance of
Speaker 1: winning a title with the Clippers than he did with
Speaker 1: the seventy six ers? Uh?
Speaker 7: Hard to say. Look, I think the Clippers with what
Speaker 7: they have again on paper, which is always dangerous to do.
Speaker 7: The Clippers with what they have have a decent shot
Speaker 7: to get out of the Western Conference. I mean that
Speaker 7: starting five is really good. Zub Botch is a solid center.
Speaker 7: Terrence Man, who the Clippers wouldn't give up is you know,
Speaker 7: when he gets back on the court, is a versatile guy.
Speaker 7: And George and Kawhi, you know, when they've played together,
Speaker 7: the numbers are outstanding. So if they can keep them
Speaker 7: on the floor, they've got a chance to get out
Speaker 7: of the Western Conference. The problem is, you know, you've
Speaker 7: got two goliaths right now in the Eastern Conference. Not
Speaker 7: to say they are on great teams in the West,
Speaker 7: but at the moment, two of the goliaths out there
Speaker 7: are Boston Milwaukee, and I don't know if Philadelphia with
Speaker 7: James Harden could have gotten through either one of.
Speaker 8: Those two teams.
Speaker 7: Could the Clippers with James Harden get through the West?
Speaker 7: I can see. I can see more of a pathway
Speaker 7: for that than I can see the Sixers getting through
Speaker 7: the Celtics or Bucks.
Speaker 1: Okay, give me the priority list of best teams in California.
Speaker 1: Who's the best Who's the best team in California?
Speaker 7: Golden State's still the best team. I mean, what they
Speaker 7: did to the Pelicans last night was remarkable. I mean
Speaker 7: that was without Klay Thompson and they just stopped on
Speaker 7: New Orleans at home. That was a game that Pelicans
Speaker 7: really want to win to show how far they've come.
Speaker 7: And let me tell you, Dan, I'm not a huge gambler,
Speaker 7: but I think Chris Paul is like thirteen hundred to
Speaker 7: one to win. Sixth man, I throw a couple bucks
Speaker 7: on that. I would Chris Paul as a sixth man
Speaker 7: is excellent. I was looking this up this morning, Dan.
Speaker 7: One of the biggest problems with Golden State the last
Speaker 7: couple of years has been the on off minutes with
Speaker 7: Steph Curry. Right Like, when Curry's off the floor, they've
Speaker 7: been terrible. When he's on, He's been great right now,
Speaker 7: And it's a small samp size, I grant you right now,
Speaker 7: the on off minutes dramatically favored the off for Steph Curry,
Speaker 7: and I think a big part of that is because
Speaker 7: Chris Paul has been leading that second unit for the
Speaker 7: last couple of games. You watch that Pelicans game, you know,
Speaker 7: the first stint Chris Paul had with Steph on the bench.
Speaker 7: When Steph came back, there were plus six, like this
Speaker 7: is a huge difference maker for Golden State. So if again,
Speaker 7: if you want to want to make a couple of bucks,
Speaker 7: whatever you use, whatever your gambling site is, Chris Paul,
Speaker 7: thirteen hundred plus thirteen hundred feels like a good bet.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Golden State best team in the state of California.
Speaker 1: The second best team is.
Speaker 7: This is going to end with me like dissing Sacramento,
Speaker 7: which I don't want to do, but I would. I'm
Speaker 7: right there neck and neck with the Clippers and the
Speaker 7: Lakers as number two.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 7: Again, injuries are going to decide their fate this year.
Speaker 7: But I think both those teams are are on an
Speaker 7: even level, and Sacramento to me still a cut below
Speaker 7: just because I can't trust them defensively, especially in the playoffs.
Speaker 7: You've got to be, you know, a upper half of
Speaker 7: the NBA defensive team to really succeed in the playoffs.
Speaker 7: And I don't know with this group of guys, which
Speaker 7: are they're really good? I mean, Darren Fox is awesome.
Speaker 7: I've been a fan of Keegan Murray, you know, since
Speaker 7: he was drafted, But they don't have a lot of
Speaker 7: plus defenders there and when you don't have a lot
Speaker 7: of plus defenders, you're gonna have trouble winning in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you, so always Chris safe troubles.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's uh. Chris Mannox Sports Illustrated senior writer.
Speaker 1: He's got a crush on Chris Paul. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: when Chris Paul went there and I go, somebody's got
Speaker 1: to tell Chris he's going to be coming off the bench.
Speaker 1: And I likened it to when somebody brought that up
Speaker 1: with Carmelo about coming off the bench and he's guys,
Speaker 1: oh are you Oh, you're talking to me, Like, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking to you. You're going to be coming off
Speaker 1: the bench. Chris Paul coming off the bench makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense because you've got younger players and now
Speaker 1: you've got a veteran there, and it frees up Chris
Speaker 1: to be the player he's always been, but he also
Speaker 1: helps those younger players. So I thought it was great
Speaker 1: Nick and Cincinnati. Hey Nick, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 4: Hey DP, it's six feet two hund do twenty six
Speaker 4: time long time. So I got two things. First things first, well,
Speaker 4: beef with Fritzy man give you know, be easy on
Speaker 4: the older kids trying to get some candy. They could
Speaker 4: be out doing some stupid stuff, but instead they're being
Speaker 4: little kids and dressing up having some fun. So be
Speaker 4: easy on the kids, my man.
Speaker 8: Fair enough.
Speaker 4: And then then the second thing I got for you
Speaker 4: is a pie to the face bet.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So about forty years ago, after KWHI won the title
Speaker 4: with Toronto, I called in and I said, Toronto is
Speaker 4: going to retire his jersey. So I have a pie
Speaker 4: to the face bet that Toronto will retire his jersey.
Speaker 4: And he was only there one year.
Speaker 1: Uh, Nick, I don't think anybody's going to take you
Speaker 1: up on it, because who else is Toronto going to retire?
Speaker 1: I mean, he did win a championship there, and it
Speaker 1: does make sense. So does anybody believe that the Raptors
Speaker 1: won't retire Kawhi Leonards jersey? Yeah? I didn't think so
Speaker 1: they will, Yes, mar Vince Carter too, Yeah. No, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the players now, like Fred van Vliet, is
Speaker 1: he going to get his number retired? No? Is Drake
Speaker 1: going to get a jersey in the.
Speaker 8: Rafters without question?
Speaker 1: Okay? More deserving of that, yeah, uh? Fred van Vliet,
Speaker 1: Kawhi Drake, Fred van vliet Leo Rautins. Yes, they could.
Speaker 9: Probably put it up there himself without even asking permission
Speaker 9: of pr anybody in the organization. He's just gonna sneak
Speaker 9: in there overnight and throw it up there.
Speaker 1: Yes, Paul, I have it that the thanks Todd, the
Speaker 1: Raptors have been even worth that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Raptors have never retired a jersey. Yet they
Speaker 6: have none none jersey all right there, GM said that
Speaker 6: Kyle Lowry, he threw out there that someday he would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, fine with that.
Speaker 6: Vince Carter, you don't knock that one out already.
Speaker 1: T Mac.
Speaker 6: Those are those are pretty simple.
Speaker 1: What did he ever do? Yes, yes, Marv.
Speaker 8: No, Vince Carter, Yes, he just he influenced the country
Speaker 8: to play basketball.
Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady.
Speaker 8: No, he he became the guy. He became the guy
Speaker 8: in Orlando. Let's not do this. Let's not do it,
Speaker 8: Vince Carter, without.
Speaker 1: Question, Okay, I'm fine with it. I don't care anymore.
Speaker 1: And everybody can get their jersey retire. Just let everybody, Marv,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, everybody get their jerseys retired.
Speaker 8: Pascal Siakim, you yeah.
Speaker 1: Put them up there, all right, let's take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll talk with Jeremy Fowler ESPN NFL reporter and uh
Speaker 1: last call for phone calls. We'll figure out if anybody
Speaker 1: is going to be moved here at the trade deadline.
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Speaker 1: NFL trade deadline for Eastern Here to help us understand
Speaker 1: what could happen, might happen, won't happen. Jeremy Fowler, ESPN,
Speaker 1: NFL Reporter. What are you hearing now about anybody on
Speaker 1: the move that could change what's going to happen later
Speaker 1: this postseason?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Dan, certainly there's some contending teams that are trying to
Speaker 11: get an extra piece, particularly on defense. You know, pass
Speaker 11: Rusher is a position that's closing right now. Out of Washington,
Speaker 11: they're trying to sort out Montes. Sweat's going to be
Speaker 11: a creation at the end of the year. You know,
Speaker 11: Atlanta has been involved there, so can they get to
Speaker 11: the finish line on something before four pm. There's also
Speaker 11: some interest in Chase Young, so Washington has a lot
Speaker 11: of decisions to make coming up to the deadline. And
Speaker 11: then in Chicago, Jalen Johnson, really good cornerback, requested a
Speaker 11: trade eight last night and there's a lot of interest,
Speaker 11: But Chicago also wants a lot. From what I'm told,
Speaker 11: probably would take at least, you know, a good Day
Speaker 11: two pick, maybe a second rounder or so and even
Speaker 11: change to get that done. But you know, you got
Speaker 11: anyone from San Francisco, Philly to Pittsburgh that all have
Speaker 11: had some interest.
Speaker 1: In corner Patrick certain with Denver, is he available?
Speaker 11: I would be shocked. The way it was told to
Speaker 11: me is really anybody is available on paper, But the
Speaker 11: asking price for got Heikestertain would be so obscene. You know,
Speaker 11: we're talking probably multiple or even several first round picks
Speaker 11: that it's just he's not really available, if that makes sense.
Speaker 11: It's sort of semanticks, So I would be really really
Speaker 11: surprised if something got done today. He's not quite untouchable,
Speaker 11: but not really available either.
Speaker 1: So there won't be a McCaffrey esque trade today in your.
Speaker 11: Opinion, I'm not sensing that. I do think one, you know,
Speaker 11: big name pass rusher could get done, like at danil
Speaker 11: Hunter Minnesota. Potentially, you know, Jacksonville has had some interest there.
Speaker 11: But teams are it's interesting right now because you saw
Speaker 11: that Leonard Williams trade that got done yesterday between the
Speaker 11: Giants and the Seahawks. You know, the Seahawks gave up
Speaker 11: a second and a fifth round pick for him, which
Speaker 11: is a pretty good haul if the Giants had to
Speaker 11: pay his salary. And so I think because of that,
Speaker 11: teams are it paused a little bit yesterday thinking well,
Speaker 11: if I make a trade or a good player, you know,
Speaker 11: I don't want to get embarrassed here and not get
Speaker 11: enough in the trade when New York just got a
Speaker 11: lot with Leonard Williams. So those are some of the
Speaker 11: mechanics in play.
Speaker 1: Is Carolina a seller?
Speaker 11: Caroline is definitely a seller. Yeah, I don't Since they
Speaker 11: want to move on from Brian Burns their top pass rusher.
Speaker 11: Even though there's there's been a lot of interest there.
Speaker 11: Teams tried last year, they're trying again this year, and
Speaker 11: they love to get their hands on him. I don't
Speaker 11: think Caroline is going to do it. But do you
Speaker 11: have other pieces like cornerback Dante Jackson, safety Jeremy chan
Speaker 11: They got a wide receiver Terrace Marshall that wants to
Speaker 11: be traded, you know, so one of those three names
Speaker 11: certainly could get dealt. And look, if there's a team
Speaker 11: that gets desperate enough, like the Vikings or the Browns
Speaker 11: meeting a quarterback, do they go after Andy Dalton? You know,
Speaker 11: I think the Panthers would move him as well, but
Speaker 11: I don't send a lot of traction there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: The Panthers, well they sold on Bryce Young.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I still believe so I haven't heard otherwise. It
Speaker 11: was really early on in the season. It was a
Speaker 11: combination of, you know that they felt like there was
Speaker 11: something amiss of the offensive line. They were beat up there,
Speaker 11: and defenses are sort of just daring Bryce I have
Speaker 11: to go win the game. He had a lot of
Speaker 11: responsibility on him early on, and see he just made
Speaker 11: some bad reasons and mistakes combined with you know, some
Speaker 11: injuries and lack of weapons offensively and free agents not
Speaker 11: working out. It was it was really just sort of
Speaker 11: an avalanche that Breyshawn was a small part. I've enough
Speaker 11: the whole reason why they were stilling an offense. So
Speaker 11: he's played better than scu weeks and showed some signs
Speaker 11: and so the CGS looking really good, of course, but
Speaker 11: I still feel like they're sold on what they got,
Speaker 11: and you know, they believe that with his mental capacity
Speaker 11: to just play the position in a really smart way,
Speaker 11: they think over time he'll get better as opposed to
Speaker 11: getting worse.
Speaker 1: Trying to understand what Arizona is doing. If you have
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, do you want Kyler Murray to play or
Speaker 1: do you want him not to play? And then you
Speaker 1: end up maybe getting Drake may or Caleb Williams.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's that's a million dollar question that depends on
Speaker 11: the perspective. And they've been they've been really hard to
Speaker 11: figure out there. You know, they kind of dangled Kyler
Speaker 11: Murray or at least last week it's said we'll see
Speaker 11: if he plays, and he was a full participant in practice,
Speaker 11: but then they lifted him as doubt tool and this
Speaker 11: week that he's already pretty much been ruled out, maybe unofficially.
Speaker 11: So it's like, how long is this going to go?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 11: Are they just going to ride this out and you know,
Speaker 11: lose games closely, but lose him conveniently, knowing that you're
Speaker 11: going to the finish line and getting maybe Capa Williams.
Speaker 11: They're a tough guy. That's a question that I know
Speaker 11: other teams are curious about, are trying to figure out,
Speaker 11: and Arizona really hasn't had any clarity there. I think
Speaker 11: Kyler Murray will play at some point. You know, he's
Speaker 11: put himself in a position to play. It doesn't really
Speaker 11: make a lot of sense to just sit him all year,
Speaker 11: but he's not gonna have a lot around him to
Speaker 11: win games.
Speaker 1: Jeremy, thanks for joining us. I know you've got a
Speaker 1: busy day. We appreciate your time.
Speaker 11: Hey, anytime, Dan appreciate it.
Speaker 1: That's Jerem Fowler, ESPN, NFL reporter. All right, I've been
Speaker 1: teasing this, haven't gotten around to it, but I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney. Clemson is at home, I think home against
Speaker 1: Notre Dame and three point underdogs. Clemson is four and four.
Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney's one of the highest paid coaches in college football.
Speaker 1: I think a little over eleven million dollars. He has
Speaker 1: his Coaches Show and he took a question from Tyler
Speaker 1: from Spartansburg.
Speaker 12: So I'm curious, why are we paying you eleven point
Speaker 12: five million dollars to go four and four? And it's
Speaker 12: not just this year, It's been it's been, you know,
Speaker 12: just the refusal to accept.
Speaker 13: All right, all right, what's the name, Tyler? Hey, Tyler,
Speaker 13: I've listened to enough for you, Tyler, listen, you can
Speaker 13: you can have all your opinions that you want, all right.
Speaker 13: I don't know how old you are, don't really care.
Speaker 13: All right, but let me tell you something. Uh, we
Speaker 13: won eleven games last year, and you're part of the problem,
Speaker 13: to be honest with you, because that is part of
Speaker 13: the problem. It's people like you that do that. All
Speaker 13: you do is the appreciation. The expectation is greater than
Speaker 13: the appreciation, and that's the problem.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the expectation level at Clemson is high and
Speaker 1: should be high. They've had twelve seasons in a row
Speaker 1: where they had ten or more wins. That's a level
Speaker 1: of excellence. But they're four and four this year. And
Speaker 1: Dabosweeney didn't stop there. He had some other things to
Speaker 1: say about Clemson's success.
Speaker 13: We've won twelve ten plus win year seasons in a row.
Speaker 13: That's happened three times in one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 13: So if you want to know why Clemson ain't sniff
Speaker 13: a national championship for thirty five years, we've won two
Speaker 13: in seven years. And there's only two other teams that
Speaker 13: can say that, Georgia and Alabama. Okay, is this a
Speaker 13: bad year?
Speaker 4: Is this a yeah?
Speaker 13: And this is my responsibility, take one hundred sent responsibility
Speaker 13: for it. But all this bull crap you're thinking, all
Speaker 13: these narratives you read. Listen, man, you can have your
Speaker 13: opinion all you want, and you can apply for the
Speaker 13: job and good luck to you, all right. But to
Speaker 13: answer your question, all right, we're second in draft picks.
Speaker 13: We've graduated ninety eight percent of our guys. We're second
Speaker 13: in wins. All right, If you'd want to know why, again,
Speaker 13: I'm telling you we're not perfect. There's a lot of
Speaker 13: teams that you know. Frank Howard never had a bad year.
Speaker 13: Coach Ford never had a bad year. Nobody's that coach
Speaker 13: k has never had a bad year in basketball. People
Speaker 13: have a bad year, but the part of the problem
Speaker 13: is the appreciation.
Speaker 1: Dabo has a point here that they have been one
Speaker 1: of the elite programs. Therefore, when you go four and four,
Speaker 1: Nick Saban didn't have four and four seasons starting out right,
Speaker 1: He's paid commensurate to what he's done, and the fan
Speaker 1: base expects you to continue that. Now. I thought that
Speaker 1: maybe he went a little overboard with this caller as
Speaker 1: a way of firing up the fan base, firing up
Speaker 1: his team because Notre Dame is coming to town, Like,
Speaker 1: we're going to get it together, Clemson, and then I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you we're going to be going to
Speaker 1: a bowl game this year, and you know, we're not
Speaker 1: going to be a ten win team, but we're going
Speaker 1: to be a dangerous team to deal with the next year.
Speaker 1: I'm always surprised that coaches act this way when they
Speaker 1: don't want their kids to act this way. So when
Speaker 1: the grown ups don't act as grown ups, sometimes we're like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you want us to have composure. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: you're throwing a chair across the basketball floor. But to
Speaker 1: go after you know a caller in Spartansburg where you
Speaker 1: know you're that upset about it. It felt like there
Speaker 1: was a bigger thing in play, and that is It's
Speaker 1: like when the manager goes out and wants to get
Speaker 1: thrown out by the umpire to fire up his team.
Speaker 1: It kind of felt like that unless he's been you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how the local media is doing. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I doubt if they crush him. But this
Speaker 1: is a caller asking a question that I'm sure a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the fan base are asking as well.
Speaker 1: Yes he can.
Speaker 10: I wonder if I was to put davos appreciation for
Speaker 10: his players versus his expectations of his players on a scale,
Speaker 10: and wonder which side that balances towards. I'm gonna guess
Speaker 10: he has some very high expectations for his players, and
Speaker 10: if they don't play, they get cut or they get benched.
Speaker 10: He doesn't say, but hey, I appreciate you so much,
Speaker 10: and once you get back out there and keep trying, yes, Paul.
Speaker 6: It also puts a spotlight out of that. Nick Sabans
Speaker 6: never had one of these years, No, never like four
Speaker 6: and four. I can't imagine the reaction in Alabama. He's
Speaker 6: never even been that close to foreign four. But I
Speaker 6: don't know if he's ever been four and two in
Speaker 6: his career. I can't imagine that he had his worst season,
Speaker 6: and I'm including bowl game losses. He had a two
Speaker 6: loss he said, you know, five two loss seasons in
Speaker 6: fifteen years.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. Well he hasn't really embraced transfer portal nil.
Speaker 1: Dabo hasn't. And so I think that you know, you're
Speaker 1: you're concerned that the rest of football is passing you
Speaker 1: by because they're not afraid to turn over some of
Speaker 1: their players. You know, Dion did it famously at Colorado,
Speaker 1: but he needed to. Dabo should have great players every year.
Speaker 1: That should be because once you get to a certain level,
Speaker 1: it's almost like a feeder system. It feeds itself that
Speaker 1: players want to go there. I remember when I was
Speaker 1: in Kentucky, when I was playing basketball in college, the
Speaker 1: University of Kentucky, they had to turn down players because
Speaker 1: players wanted to go to Kentucky. You know, they had
Speaker 1: a built in feeder system. You didn't have to recruit.
Speaker 1: They were trying to recruit you to say would you
Speaker 1: please take me? Take me? And you know Dabbo should
Speaker 1: be there, Alabama there, Georgia's there. You know certain programs
Speaker 1: where you shouldn't be foreign for you are I was.
Speaker 1: I was surprised that he went that deep into that
Speaker 1: frustration and wanted this caller to know he's the problem,
Speaker 1: not Dabbo. Yes, ton, I think.
Speaker 9: When you're counting people's dollars, And that was the comment.
Speaker 9: And he's no journalist, it's just a caller. But that
Speaker 9: totally seemed to set him up to me. If he
Speaker 9: would have just said, why do you think we're slipping
Speaker 9: in recent years? As opposed to why are we paying
Speaker 9: you eleven and a half million dollars? That seemed to
Speaker 9: get in his crawl a little bit.
Speaker 1: Why is it when a player has this substandard year,
Speaker 1: we go, are you going to give that money bag?
Speaker 1: But when a coach does, we never go are you
Speaker 1: going to give that money bank? Hey, I earned this
Speaker 1: based on my past performances, But you player, your past
Speaker 1: performances does not actually equate to dollars. It shouldn't you know,
Speaker 1: a tyler.
Speaker 9: You could apply for the job and if you if
Speaker 9: they want to hire you, over men and go for it.
Speaker 1: Maybe be the next time. Yeah, good, luck. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: luck with that. Yeah, yes, Marvin, he was fired up.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I thought Clemson was on their way to becoming Alabama.
Speaker 8: I mean they were there. I remember when Justin Ross
Speaker 8: went off in the National title game. Yeah, he's from Alabama,
Speaker 8: and I was like, oh, the tide is turnt, like
Speaker 8: this is about to.
Speaker 1: Be see what you did with that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like he went to high school there and Clemson
Speaker 8: got him. I was like, oh, he's about to get
Speaker 8: a feeder system, just like you know Nick Saban at
Speaker 8: Alabama and now I think Kirby Smart and those guys
Speaker 8: kind of took you know, what Clemson had going and
Speaker 8: they got those guys now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: See as much as it I hate to do this,
Speaker 10: I hate it. Dabo does have some points though, sure,
Speaker 10: Like it is to like, yeah, like, you guys haven't
Speaker 10: didn't sniff a national championship for thirty five years and
Speaker 10: we've got two and seven years. Maybe everybody can calm
Speaker 10: down a little bit.
Speaker 1: Is very fair. He makes valid points here. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: how he makes his valid points that I have a
Speaker 1: problem with, Like this, this caller is not the problem.
Speaker 1: They're accustomed to being successful, not being four and four
Speaker 1: and not questioning what's going on. It's because of Dabo's Yes, Mark.
Speaker 8: They feel like the people that just came into money
Speaker 8: and now it's like, how come we're not having steak?
Speaker 8: Were you guys were just having peanut butter and jelly?
Speaker 8: Say it, we're just for dinner.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Now you guys will filame Mignon all the time.
Speaker 1: No lobster, Yeah, like, oh what is this? Four and four?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 8: How dare you?
Speaker 11: You know?
Speaker 1: The meat doesn't fall off the bone, dab dab?
Speaker 8: What do you have to say about this?
Speaker 1: Any who? Okay, you know it's funny.
Speaker 6: Remember when when Clemson was thirteen and oh and Dabbo
Speaker 6: would run out of the tunnel one hundred miles an hour,
Speaker 6: was hat flying. It was kind of cool, and you're like,
Speaker 6: look at that guy, all energy leading the team. When
Speaker 6: they're four and four, You're.
Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing?
Speaker 6: Watch this jog out casually, don't hit the gas like
Speaker 6: Forrest Gump. He does that runout.
Speaker 1: You know? Do you anybody have notre dame this weekend
Speaker 1: against Clemson? PAULI does?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh everybody does. I'm going Clemson. Yeah, you guys said
Speaker 1: the problem. We are you guys of the problem. You're
Speaker 1: probably right. Yeah, it just felt like, man, I want
Speaker 1: to I want everybody to know I'm still fired up
Speaker 1: and I want to coach here. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: Nick Saban's successor and wide and you know we built
Speaker 1: something here. Look at what we've done.
Speaker 9: Yes, maybe Dabo can pump up his players like Paton Rdouzy. Dude,
Speaker 9: I know, I thought we had to talk play last
Speaker 9: year's guys for better.
Speaker 8: I guess I don't.
Speaker 10: Know what happened.
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Speaker 1: Last call for phone calls. What we learned Watch in
Speaker 1: store tomorrow, Game four the World Series coming up tonight,
Speaker 1: College football tonight, Paul Dan it Maction's back. Oh Yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: Like a warm blanket on I love it. College football goodness.
Speaker 6: Let's go Northern Illinois at Central Michigan. If there's a
Speaker 6: directional team, we're there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Buffalo at Toledo.
Speaker 6: Toledo's really good this year. Tomorrow night you got Ball
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Speaker 1: Let's see Tyler and Michigan. Tyler, thanks for holding What
Speaker 1: do you have for me today?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 5: Dan six foot two and forty eight pounds. All right,
Speaker 5: so maybe my cousin PAULI can help a little on
Speaker 5: this one too. What's going on in Chicago? Why do
Speaker 5: they refuse to pay any of their players? Are they tanking?
Speaker 5: And are we going to get Harbaugh a quarterback? And
Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison junior in the draft next year?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, thank you Tyler. Pauli. Do you have
Speaker 1: the strength to be able to answer all of that.
Speaker 6: Like the condition of the Bears?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How much time do we have?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't think I want to do it.
Speaker 6: I'd rather talk about my dad or something like that.
Speaker 6: The more upbeat.
Speaker 1: So your dad dying on this day.
Speaker 6: The Bears are like when they're on National TV. I
Speaker 6: go to sit down and watch, I'm like, why am
Speaker 6: I doing this? Not gonna work out? It's really depressing.
Speaker 10: I've really enjoyed though, the last like two weeks watching
Speaker 10: Uh guy, what's that agent?
Speaker 1: Pigent? Yeah? That kid is that's fun.
Speaker 8: Man.
Speaker 10: He makes some really good throws where you're like, all right,
Speaker 10: look at this kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would go back.
Speaker 10: I keep steadying with this.
Speaker 1: Kid, secret Paigegent. Man, He's been fun to watch.
Speaker 6: But if you're excited of the Division two quarterback coming
Speaker 6: to save the team, it's like the bar is really low.
Speaker 1: Okay. Chris collins Worth went all in on Beigent, just
Speaker 1: like Tony Romo was all in on brock Party and
Speaker 1: Chris collins Were said, well, maybe Justin Fields can watch
Speaker 1: Bigent and learn how to play, or he can help
Speaker 1: him learn how to play the position. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. You know, Beigent is a nice story,
Speaker 1: but this is Justin Fields and you got to ride
Speaker 1: that as long as you can and see what you have.
Speaker 1: Maybe already know what you have, but I hope that
Speaker 1: we get to see more glimpses of what we saw
Speaker 1: last year with Justin Fields, where I mean he was
Speaker 1: a phenomenon. This year, I think he tried or they
Speaker 1: wanted him to be something a little bit different. It's
Speaker 1: like with Lamar Jackson. Let Lamar be Lamar, Michael Vick
Speaker 1: b Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, B. Randall, Cunningham. It's difficult
Speaker 1: to be able to say to somebody that they're successful
Speaker 1: this way in college and then you bring him into
Speaker 1: the pros and you go, hey, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: be a pocket quarterback. No, Cam Newton, he couldn't change,
Speaker 1: couldn't be a pocket quarterback. He oh, NFL trade news, Pauline,
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Speaker 6: Ooh, medium, it's a team.
Speaker 1: Were just discussing, Well, we've discussed a few moments ago.
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