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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It it's Thursday, October sixteenth, and the

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Speaker 1: former star of a beloved nineties sitcom is sitting in

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Speaker 1: jail right now, a judge refusing to let him out

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Speaker 1: of jail all over yes, a family matter. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Robes.

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Speaker 1: You used that line before. It is literally true. The

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Speaker 1: former star of Family Matters is sitting in jail, denied

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Speaker 1: bail right now over a family issue.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Yes, the Family Matters theme is sticking with him,

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Speaker 2: but not in a good way. For Darius McCrary, he's

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Speaker 2: forty nine years old, made his first court appearance yesterday.

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Speaker 2: This story is bizarre, and his behavior in court was

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Speaker 2: even more bizarre, I would say concerning it seemed as

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Speaker 2: if he was not altogether.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to represent himself and maybe he

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Speaker 1: was a little confused about the process. The judge was

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Speaker 1: confused at times that we could clearly hear. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think I would have known, first of all, his name,

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Speaker 1: Darius McCrary with that of immediately.

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Speaker 2: No, I would not have known his name. But you

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Speaker 2: know his face, oh.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Oh my goodness, it's undmistakable. Still to this day.

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Speaker 1: All these years later, Jaleel right White, I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people know that name immediately arkle from Family

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Speaker 1: Matters and this show. I didn't realize they had a

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Speaker 1: great run. Yeah, the show was on for nine seasons,

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Speaker 1: that's the first five they would get twenty million plus.

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Speaker 2: Wow and back in the day, right, what.

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Speaker 1: The actual help? But this was a big deal of

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Speaker 1: a sitcom that it features one of the few featured

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Speaker 1: prominently black cast focused on a middle class black family,

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Speaker 1: and he was the older brother.

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Speaker 2: Yes, people have said he's kind of like the Malcolm

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Speaker 2: Jamal Warner of Family Matters. Basically there were people were

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Speaker 2: making comparisons and he has that look in the same way.

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Speaker 2: When we heard, of course the tragic news about Malcolm Jamal,

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Speaker 2: you saw where he was how many years decades later,

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Speaker 2: and he still had that same smile, that same face.

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Speaker 2: And truly, Darius McCrary is the same despite all he's facing.

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Speaker 2: Even his mugshot if you pull it up, is a

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Speaker 2: big smile on his face, and you recognize that face

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Speaker 2: from the show Family Matters all those years ago.

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Speaker 1: But yes, his name is not the one that jumps out,

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Speaker 1: I think obviously because of Diehard Reginald Bill Johnson, who

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Speaker 1: played the dad in that show. Obviously I love that guy,

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Speaker 1: but this was he ends up getting this show because

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Speaker 1: of that role in his stardom in Diehard. So all

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Speaker 1: these things came together to actually give this kid, give

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Speaker 1: Darius McCrary a pretty wonderful opportunity. And now he has

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Speaker 1: a place really robes in television and broadcast and sitcom

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Speaker 1: history because of the role he played.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately he's making the kind of news and the

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Speaker 2: kind of history nobody wants to make. You know, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people point to child actors in pros and

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Speaker 2: tough times, and it seems as though one can only

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Speaker 2: assume he's been in some sort of financial distress because

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Speaker 2: these charges are back pay for child support payments, and

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Speaker 2: according to reports, he owes ninety five thousand dollars in

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Speaker 2: back pay of child support payments. That's significant, yes, and that.

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Speaker 1: Has to accumulate over time if that actually is true.

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Speaker 1: But that is out of Michigan, he claims. And this

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Speaker 1: is nowhere we get into and initially we were. You

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Speaker 1: at some of the reasoning and logic that came up

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Speaker 1: to what happened, but he was he missed a court

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Speaker 1: let out now because this was a fugitive they consider

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Speaker 1: this a felony fugitive arrest when you're wanted and you

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Speaker 1: to possibly flee the country. That is why he's sitting

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Speaker 1: in jail now with no chance of getting out. No bail.

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Speaker 2: Yes, bail was denied yesterday, and he was apprehended at

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Speaker 2: the border, at the Mexico border. So he is currently

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Speaker 2: in San Diego right there, obviously near Tijuana, and there's

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Speaker 1: Because he was kind of in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Kind of Tijuana. Well, so he was arrested actually trying

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Speaker 2: the border into Mexico. Do you buy that.

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Speaker 1: I can't make sense of it. It doesn't mean it

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Speaker 2: So he claims, and by the way, he represented himself

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Speaker 2: in yesterday's hearing, which was such a mess. The judge

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Speaker 2: because you don't know what the hell you're doing or

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Speaker 2: talking about. And we can get into that because what

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Speaker 2: he said was bizarre and almost unintelligible at times. But

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Speaker 2: he said that he was caught at the border because

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Speaker 2: he was going to Tijuana to build homes for the homeless,

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Speaker 2: but that he accidentally crossed into Mexico because he couldn't

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Speaker 2: find the person he was supposed to meet. But his

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Speaker 2: agent initially said that he was in Tijuana because he

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Speaker 2: was looking at property in Tijuana. So there are multiple

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Speaker 2: But we don't know for sure.

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Speaker 1: But real estate and building homes for the homeless kind

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Speaker 1: of go together. Maybe those things are related, and somebody

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Speaker 1: who's got don't have all the details. That's possible.

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Speaker 2: But the confusing thing is though that he's saying he

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Speaker 2: didn't mean to go to Mexico. So despite some explanations

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Speaker 2: him say he accidentally cross the.

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Speaker 1: Border because he was supposed to be meeting the guy

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Speaker 1: and that was confusion about where they were supposed to meet.

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Speaker 2: Is the story got it? So where is this guy?

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Speaker 2: Because that could clear a lot of things off. I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying if we could hear from him, I would

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, you get confused when you confuse about where

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Speaker 2: You don't accidentally cross into Mexico, Okay, it's a process.

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Speaker 2: You don't just walk in to Mexico casually cross the border. Whoopsie,

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Speaker 2: there are border patrol agents. There are actual like aren't there.

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Speaker 2: Like it's kind of like even I think about an

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Speaker 2: So I can't speak to actually having ever driven into Mexico,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know what that actually is, but I

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Speaker 1: But those are Mexican officials checking your information, right, So

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Speaker 1: I'm saying an arrest warrant wouldn't have popped up only

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Speaker 2: Right, although I don't know, like who knows that. I'm

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Speaker 2: surprised that that didn't pop up. Then if there was

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Speaker 2: is interesting he was able to get into Mexico without

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Speaker 2: But it's been I guess now clarified that he actually

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Speaker 2: got apprehended coming back into the United States.

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Speaker 1: So the story, who knows what it is, But why

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Speaker 2: Ropes got an explanation for that. So here's the problem. See,

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Speaker 2: the notice was sent to a PO box and not

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Speaker 2: And then on top of that, he claims he had

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Speaker 2: hadn't gone to check his pobox. Now, apparently he recovered

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Speaker 2: well enough to accidentally head to Mexico, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: That, I mean, how my question how late? How far

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Speaker 1: they issue a war weren't for your arrest? If you

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Speaker 1: get a notice to come to court, it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be a notice that, hey, your court date is tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be in two days, in two weeks,

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Speaker 1: could be next month.

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Speaker 2: You usually have ample time to plan around a court

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Speaker 1: Okay, So is it possible he didn't check the PO

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Speaker 2: Is that he must have had what is it called

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Speaker 2: the long hauler syndrome of COVID, Because I've had COVID

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Speaker 2: twice that I know of. I was recovered within three

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Speaker 2: to four days.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I am not going to it all make

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Speaker 2: He was able to physically make his way from Michigan

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Speaker 2: to Tijuana.

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Speaker 1: It was more important to get to the people, the

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Speaker 1: homeless who need homes. Okay in Tijuana.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, I don't know they did it?

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Speaker 2: Was it Endeavor? There was the name of an organization.

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Speaker 2: I actually thought now, so obviously this is verifiable. So

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Speaker 2: a name, verify it. Oh I didn't see that. Does

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Speaker 1: Yes, it does. I didn't know that was official name.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a guy's name. They said Rando

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Speaker 1: that he was trying to find. But that makes.

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Speaker 2: Perfect Esperanza programs. So this he's this is according to

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Speaker 2: his representative. She says that he accidentally crossed into Mexico

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Speaker 2: due to a mix up about where to meet his

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Speaker 2: partner for the Esperanza program, where he volunteered to build

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Speaker 2: homes for unhoused individuals. That is exactly what the name

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Speaker 2: of the organization is that they referenced Esperanza. I'm not

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Speaker 1: Housing and benefits assistance in Philadelphia, Esperanza program. Yes, there's

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Speaker 1: a thing that does something with housing in Tijuana maybe

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Speaker 1: all over, Yes, for thirty years, the Esperanza program.

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Speaker 2: All right, I cannot wait to hear from Esperanza.

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Speaker 1: I can what if he's listed in the leadership here

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Speaker 1: something he's not, But yes, it is exactly what it's

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Speaker 1: what they do. This is interesting. So is it possible

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Speaker 1: that he legitimately had something to do in Mexico.

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Speaker 2: It's just there was a lot of mixed messaging going on,

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Speaker 2: so it's confusing to know what to believe and what

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Speaker 2: not to believe. So much so that the judge was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're going to deny your bail. You're going to need

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Speaker 2: to be extradited back to Michigan, where then you can

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Speaker 2: actually go and appear in court for those missed child

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Speaker 2: support payments, which he says was an accident as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but stay with us here when we come back.

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Speaker 1: We'll explain what his response to all that that. The

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Speaker 1: judge says, yeah, we'll tell you what his response was

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Speaker 1: and why his quote appearance was a bit bizarre and

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Speaker 2: And continuing our coverage of a well a developing and

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, though, he has been in a jail

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Speaker 1: No, it was very confusing and he was at times

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Speaker 2: It made me actually think he was going for an

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Speaker 1: Again, he was trying to do some lawyering and was

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Speaker 2: It seemed like a woman.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean she was patient there and indulged him

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Speaker 2: See, Well, Michigan has thirty days to kick him up

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this is just it. It was a strange

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Speaker 1: I hate to say, I don't know what's going on

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Speaker 2: It is one of those things where people go through

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Speaker 2: I'm going to just try to say this in another way.

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Speaker 2: It's just tough when you are now basically the headline

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Speaker 2: having to deal with that. So anyway, we will continue

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Speaker 2: rebok alongside DJ Holmes. Have a great day, everybody,