1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: I was doing a job. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 2: I think it was for Twitter, and at that point 3 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 2: it was gonna be the biggest money I ever saw. 4 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: So I'm like excited, happy, like I can't wait get 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: this money. 6 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 2: But then when I thought about it, my bills were 7 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: so far behind that I was like, man, by the 8 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 2: time I get this check, I'm just gonna get caught up. 9 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have anything. 10 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 2: So I was like, I got to create something where 11 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: I make it one time, I don't have to work 12 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: to do it, and I can keep making money. And 13 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: then I was like, wait a minute, I can design 14 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: a deck of cards. Can't be that hard, can't be 15 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: that expensive? It was hard and expensive. 16 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: Everybody holds another episode of Butter. I'm the host Brandon 17 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: Butler found the CEO of Butter atl And today I 18 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: got somebody special in the building. Man, got my guy, 19 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 3: even Mackie up in here, he black spades. How you doing, bro, 20 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: I'm doing good. 21 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: Did you say somebody special for everybody? Or like, am 22 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: I really somebody? 23 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 3: I say for a lot of people, But everybody's special, Man, 24 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: everybody's special. You know what I'm saying. MANE, I'm good, 25 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: I'm good. How you feeling if I was any better, 26 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: I be you brother. 27 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: Hey, I like that, Like I gotta start using that. 28 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: Hey man, look man, I appreciate you pulling up. You know. 29 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: We always like to do something little fun, a little different. 30 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: You know. 31 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: So I know some folks like you know, tell us 32 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: about yourself and do all this, but we do on 33 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: button Nomics is we asked chat cheapt to write a 34 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: bio for our guests. 35 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: Oh that is so dope. I literally looked myself up 36 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: on chat GPT yesterday. 37 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: Okay, I was. 38 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: I saw somebody do it online and I was like, 39 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: let me put my name in and see what happens. 40 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 3: But yeah, go ahead, Okay, So I had chat cheept 41 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: write a bio for you know what I'm saying, we're 42 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: gonna read. I want you to tell me is it on? 43 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: Is it off? You know, not need to upgrade all 44 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. 45 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: Okay, you're right, Yeah, I'm good, All right. 46 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 3: Eve Macki is an Atlanta based photographer, entrepreneur, and the creative 47 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 3: force behind Black Spades, the culture rooted lifestyle brand that 48 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 3: he began as a custom deck of playing cards celebrating 49 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: Black Spades culture. He's also the founder of Dope Art Media, 50 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: a creative agency specializing in photography, video production, graphic design, 51 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: and marketing strategy for brands like Twitter, Amazon, and Mercedes Benz. 52 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: His work blends creativity, storytelling an active doesn't, notably documenting 53 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 3: the Black Lives Matter protests across multiple cities. Today, mak 54 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: It continues to merge art, culture and entrepreneurship, using his 55 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: platforms to empower communities and build innovative ventures, like the 56 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 3: upcoming Spades based app Blacker. 57 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: Yep spot on spot on, Yeah, yes, spot home. Oh man, 58 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: it's crazy. 59 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: See man, look, I'm telling its crazy. 60 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: Like how it does that? That's pretty crazy? Yeah? 61 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 3: Well let me ask you, man, I appreciate you pulling 62 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: up man. Now, obviously you know you you talk about 63 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: yourself because I remember we were talking offline like you 64 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: know what Brandon like people thought. People don't know, man, 65 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: I'm an artist. I'm kind of a designer. First, you 66 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: have a background in fashion and film production, like you know, 67 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: how did How does how does all that background experience 68 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: kind of appro influence how you approach business? 69 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: I think that it influences it because like basically, you know, 70 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: when you when you start something, when you create whatever, 71 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: like venture or whatever path it is that you want 72 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: to create, whether it's successful or not, you learn something 73 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: along the way. And so what I found is just 74 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: all the different things that I do have made it 75 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: easier for me to kind of transition into new things 76 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: or to create new things because there's some element of 77 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: something that I've done before that I like lean on 78 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: to create the new things. So that's probably the biggest part, 79 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: is just the experience and you know, resources, relationships, stuff 80 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 2: like that. 81 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,119 Speaker 3: Okay, and what's the background of dop part media? How'd 82 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 3: that get started? 83 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: So? 84 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: Dop Park got started because when I was at Florida State, 85 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: I started the homecoming fashion show that was out there, 86 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: and so I have a homeboy named Chris Parsons, like 87 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 2: super duper dope creative, and he filmed it. But after 88 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: he filmed it, he never edited the video. So fast 89 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: forward like a few months I had graduated, but actually 90 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: fast forward like a year I graduated. 91 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: I was in Miami. 92 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: He was in Miami touring with Tea Paying when t 93 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: Paying first pop and he was like sleeping in the office, 94 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: like down there, and so I was like, bro, come 95 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: stay with us. When he stayed with us, he was like, oh, 96 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: I got that footage from your fashion show, but I'm 97 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: gonna teach you how to edit it because he didn't 98 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: want to edit. So he sat me down like first 99 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: like early version of final cut, and I picked it up, 100 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: started editing on final Cut, and then kind of started 101 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: incorporating video editing into what I do. Fast forward, I 102 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: was working at a nightclub on South Beach and as 103 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 2: a marketing director, so I had to do a lot 104 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 2: of video for a lot of different brands. And so 105 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: when I left that job, a lot of the brands 106 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 2: like Remy Martin, were like, Yo, we still want video. 107 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 2: I was hiring people to shoot it. I was editing. 108 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: The shooters were making all the money, so I was 109 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: like I had to buy a camera. And so from 110 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: there is one thing kind of led to another, and 111 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: I realized, like I designed, I can shoot, I can edit, 112 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: so I might as well make this a thing. 113 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: So that's kind of what it was. 114 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: Okay, and like, well, those kind of projects you were 115 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: working on more like smaller products to you kind of decided, 116 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: you know what, I want to focus on this agency 117 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 3: and started getting bigger clients. 118 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: Well, actually what happened was I was actually an artist 119 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 2: back then, Like a musical artist. 120 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: I was a rapper, yeah. 121 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: And so from making music and producing music, I already 122 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: like I had done shows, I toured like stuff like that, 123 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: like independent artists level, yeah, and so I already had 124 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: a host of like relationships already. So when I decided 125 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: to get into video production, I already had like pretty 126 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 2: decent relationships. So when they found out I was doing it, 127 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: they kind of a meg, can you do this for me? 128 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: So my first clients were like the Remy Martins and 129 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: stuff like that was one of my first clients. So 130 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: I didn't really do smaller stuff until after I got 131 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: more established and more people found out about it. But 132 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: I actually started with bigger clients believe it or not. 133 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: Oh man, Now, how did that influence it? Because again, 134 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: like a lot of post will get those opportunities out 135 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 3: of the gate, right, that's a that's a different beast, 136 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: Like how were you able to just come out and 137 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: start working with those bigger clients? 138 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: And well, like I said, I already had relationships with 139 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: them on other stuff, right, So when they found out, 140 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: they were like hey, And I think it was more 141 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: of them supporting what I was doing because the work 142 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: definitely ain't the work that I do. 143 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Now, you know what I mean? So I think that's 144 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it was. 145 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 2: And honestly doing that is kind of what inspired me 146 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: to leave music alone because I was like, man, this 147 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: music is costing me money and this, you know, this 148 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 2: camera's making me money. So I was like, let me 149 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: stack my money up a little bit and I'm gonna 150 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 2: come back when I'm in a better financial spot to record. 151 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: And then I was off to the races. Man like 152 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: that first two three years went by so fast, and 153 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: I was like, em, I feel like going to that studio. Yeah, 154 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: so I just never looked back. 155 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Now black Spades that came up because you 156 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: were watching a math video on YouTube, Like how did 157 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: black Spades come to be? 158 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: So black Spades came to be because I was doing 159 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: a job. 160 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: I think it was for Twitter. 161 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: We're about to do a job, and at that point, 162 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: it was gonna be the biggest money I ever saw. 163 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: So I'm like excited, happy, like but I can't wait 164 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: get this money. 165 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: But then when I thought about it, my bills were 166 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: so far behind that I was like, man, by the 167 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: time I get this check, I'm just gonna get caught 168 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: up and I'm not gonna have anything. So in the 169 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: back of my mind, I was thinking I needed to 170 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: create something anyway. 171 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: I had to create. 172 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: I got to create something where I may at one 173 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: time I don't have to work to do it, and 174 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: I can keep making money. So one day, while watching 175 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: YouTube videos, I came across the video where a guy 176 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: was describing a mathematical concept using a deck of cards, 177 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: and I was like, Yo, those cars are dope. And 178 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: then I was like, wait a minute, I can design 179 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: a deck of cards. Can't be that hard, can't be 180 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: that expensive. It was hard and expensive. It was very 181 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: much hard and very much expensive. And anyway, that's kind 182 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: of where the idea came from. It's like I can 183 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: design a deck of cards. And so through the next 184 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: couple weeks or so, I was just kind of trying 185 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: to think, like, why would anybody want to buy my cards? 186 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: Why? 187 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: What can I do that when make somebody want to 188 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: buy them? In one today in the shower, one of 189 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: them shower thoughts, I was like, oh, you black, we 190 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: play spades. I've never seen a spades deck. And I 191 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: was like, wait a minute, I don't think I've ever 192 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: seen a deck of cards. With black people on it 193 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: at all at that point. And so that's kind of 194 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: where it was how it started. 195 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: Now, you say, designing a deck of cars is hard 196 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: and expensive, give me some condent. What do you mean 197 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 3: by that? Like, what's hard? What's expensed? Like? What do 198 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: people not know about something like? Because it seems like 199 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: simple at a high level, it's it's sometimes I say, like, 200 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: it's simple, but it's not easy. 201 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: Right, It's simple, but it's not easy. So, for example, 202 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: the first thing is designing it, right. I'm a designer, 203 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: and so the concept that I had in my mind. 204 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: I was sitting there designing for weeks, like almost a month, 205 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: and it was just not coming out right. And I'm like, 206 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: you know what, I don't I don't have to design this. 207 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: It's people that designed cards every day. Let me just 208 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: pay somebody to do this. 209 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: So that was that. 210 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: There's a lot of research that went into it. I 211 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 2: researched ancient Egypt, because you know the cars Egyptian theme. 212 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: I researched ancient Egypt for like three months. I went 213 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: to Egypt. Once I got the first decks of cards back, 214 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 2: the gold on the packaging wasn't the right shade of gold. 215 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you got to fix this gold. 216 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: When I got the first decks back and we shuffled 217 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: the cards, they didn't shuffle right. So I flew to 218 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: China just for them to measure the thickness of the 219 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: card like the paper and be like okay, yeah, the 220 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 2: thickness is off by this much, and they got the 221 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: So it was just such a process. And then expense 222 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 2: is like, it's not cheap. This is not like for 223 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: me to produce a new deck. It's like five thousand 224 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: dollars out the gate, and now I got to sell 225 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: it and that because you got to market it and 226 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: all that. So it's it just was not as cheap 227 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: or easy as I thought it was going to be. 228 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: And admittedly I probably made it harder because it was 229 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: a certain standard that I wanted to set with the deck. 230 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 2: I didn't want them to be cheap. I wanted to 231 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: be nice. So I probably made more work for myself 232 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 2: than it needed to be. 233 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, you flew in China just to make sure 234 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: they measured the thickness of the cars, Like, tell me 235 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: about that story. 236 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when you when you produce a product abroad, 237 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: a lot of times there's gonna be a language barrier 238 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: even if they speak English. The other frustrating thing about 239 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 2: it is the time difference. So it's like a twelve 240 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: hour time difference from their twelve hours ahead. So if 241 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: I want to have any type of fluid conversation, I'm 242 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: up at three in the morning, you know, having a 243 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: conversation with somebody that speaks English but doesn't speak English. 244 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 2: How we speak English. And then you compound it because 245 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: you're speaking through text like you're messaging somebody, and so 246 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: it's just such a slow, arduous process that I was like, 247 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: you know, this is gonna be one hundred times easier 248 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: to just fly there in this talk to them in 249 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: person and get it done. So that's kind of the 250 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 2: reason why I did it that way. 251 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: How did you find your life? I mean cause again, 252 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 3: like even there's a lot of people that want to 253 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: do products and want to do things like that, and 254 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 3: you know a lot of that stuff is going to 255 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: come from overseas. Like how did you go through the 256 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: process of even like finding a manufacturer that could even 257 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: like produce these for you? 258 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: So originally we found a manufacturer that we thought was here, 259 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: and you well, originally I tried to get it manufactured 260 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: with bicycle. It was like two three months of emailing 261 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: them constantly before I even got a response. When I 262 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: got a response, it was just unsustainably expensive, Like it 263 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: just didn't even make sense. I'm like, what, this don't 264 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: even make sense. So I found another company that I 265 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: thought was here in the US and went with them first. 266 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: And then while I was talking to the rep, she 267 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: said something about the factory and I was like, the factory. 268 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: I thought you were the factory. 269 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: And when I realized that they were the middle people, 270 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, so I can get it cheaper. 271 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: So then I went on Ali Baba and then I 272 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: found you know, playing card manufacturers. I reached out to one. 273 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: I sent them the decks. I'm like, can you make 274 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: something that disquality of better? They sent me samples back. 275 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, this is dope. I ended up 276 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: flying to the factory that first time to check the 277 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 2: factory out to just kind of see what type of 278 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: options they have. And that's which is the best way. 279 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: If you can go to the factory, go because it's 280 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: not every You're not gonna say everything online and you know, 281 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: went to the factory the first time, locked in with 282 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: them and then that's when they you know, we did 283 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: the first run. 284 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I shuffled. 285 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeh nah, these don't shuffle right, and then 286 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: went back to get that thickness right, and then you 287 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: know we've been good since. 288 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: What's the what's the time? Like what kind of timeline 289 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,439 Speaker 3: are we talking about to like, you know, getting stuck 290 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: because I know it takes a minute for stuff you 291 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: shipped overseas get made. So again, I'm just asking for 292 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: people to have ideas. Yeah, yeah, look, I don't gate keep. 293 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 2: Like people call me all the time like I want 294 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: to start a card company, Like how do I do it? Like, 295 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you my company, just don't tell nobody 296 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 2: my company is on the system. But yeah, so the 297 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: process to creating a deck. Our process is, let's say 298 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: you want to do a buttonmics deck, I would tell you, hey, 299 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: we need at least two two and a half months. 300 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 2: It doesn't really take that long, but I've learned you 301 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: need to do that because anything can happen, get caught 302 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: up in customs, Like you can be going back and 303 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: forth with the factory for like a week or two 304 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: just because you sent everything exactly how you want it. 305 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: And they are going to find something that they mess up. 306 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: So it's just a thing. So I say the timeframe 307 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: is about like I said two two and a half months. 308 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 2: Shipping can be a month if you ship via C. 309 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: I've never shipped V A C. I always ship air, 310 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: So it takes about four days. So we order something 311 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: from the factory today because we like our inventory. We 312 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: have inventory here in the storage. We have the big 313 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: inventory at the factory, like thousands of decks. So I 314 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: sell out of a deck, I'm like, hey, I need 315 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: one hundred more decks. They just put them on the 316 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: plank a flight here. So for order today, I can 317 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 2: probably have them by today is Friday. Probably have them 318 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: by like Monday or Tuesday air. But it's way more expensive. 319 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: So it just depends on how you ship it. 320 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: Okay, But your biggest advice for somebody that wants to 321 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: potentially do that is once they find a supplier and 322 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: kind of figure out that process is to get thinking 323 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: at all, possibly need to actually go to the factory 324 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 3: and see it first hand it First. 325 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 2: Things first, do not buy any bulk of anything before 326 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: you get a sample. Do not that's not by any 327 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: bulk before you get a sample, Get samples. 328 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: I don't care how good you think they are, how 329 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: cheap they are. Get samples. That's minimum. 330 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: If you have the ability to go to the factory, 331 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: go to the factory, because like I said, it's gonna 332 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: be finish it. It's gonna be like different materials, different 333 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: things that you're just not going to be able to 334 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: see everything they have available on the internet. And then also, 335 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: like I said, just the getting getting a sample, Oh 336 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 2: I want to see what this looks like in this color. 337 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: Order to sample, you gotta wait for the sample. If 338 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: you could just go, you can see everything that day. 339 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: They can show you everything they can do, just way easier. 340 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: You can see the conditions of the factory. It's not 341 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: sweatshops like people think. It's not like kids in there 342 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: making Shoot, that's not true. It's actual factories, like people 343 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: are there working. So if you can go, go, But 344 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: if not at a minimum. 345 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: Order samples. 346 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: Okay, what part of Chinel is it? 347 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: Our decks are manufactured in shen Zen? I think, okay, yeah, Shengjin. 348 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 3: I've spent some time out there, so I was just wondering, 349 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: like yeah, you kind of go in and like with that, 350 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: what was that whole process, like that trip overall, Like 351 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: so about that. 352 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: So when I went to China, I've been three three times, 353 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: three or four times. When I went the first sign 354 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: for Black Spades, I was also going because that first 355 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: time that I went was around the time that we 356 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: started Black Spades and at that time, we had already 357 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: gotten a deal or yeah, partnership with Amazon, so we 358 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: were producing decks for Amazon and phone chargers as well. 359 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: So when I went out there, I went out there 360 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: to see my factor that produces the decks, and also 361 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: a couple other electronics factories because we wanted to produce 362 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: some car mounts that we made and then the chargers. 363 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: So what I did was I got the addresses of 364 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: each factory, the factory that I had the best relationship with, 365 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: like the best rapport. I sent them the addresses and 366 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: I was like, hey, can you help me map out 367 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 2: my trip to know like what's close to what and 368 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: how should I do that? They told me how to 369 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: map it out. If you go to a country where 370 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: you don't speak the language, it's good to like have 371 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 2: a print out of your hotel in the language, with 372 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: the address and all of that. So if you get 373 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: in a cab and you can't speak it. I just 374 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: showed the cab like I'm trying to get here. I 375 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 2: did that, and then you know, I flew in the 376 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: first factory, had a driver that came and picked me 377 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: up like holding my name up the sign. They drove 378 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: me to their factory, drove me to my hotel and 379 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: kind of explained to me how to how to ride 380 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: like the train and all of that and to get 381 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: to the next places. So yeah, that was pretty much 382 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: the process. Just asked like for help. 383 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it seems like it would be you know, Phillos. 384 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: Don't know, it seems like you'll probably be intimidating. What 385 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: you're saying is like one day, want you to come 386 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: out there too, Like these factories actually make it some 387 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: of the easiest. Look, they need you to come out 388 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: there too. Second of this business. 389 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, they if you tell them that they're coming. 390 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: And that's another thing too, when you're sourcing your products. 391 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: A lot of times if you're going to Ali Baba, 392 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: sometimes what will happen is you have like third party 393 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: suppliers on there too. So what they'll do is they'll 394 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: order a bulk of whatever it is that you want 395 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: to do and then resell it to you, but they 396 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: won't tell you that they're not the factory. So if 397 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: you say I want to come out, even if you're 398 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: not serious about coming, you'll know how welcoming they are. 399 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 2: If it's really the factory, you're not because if it's 400 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: the factory, they want you to come, and a lot 401 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: of times they'll send a car for you, they'll pick 402 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: you up after you meet with them, they take you 403 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: out to dinner or they take you out to lunch 404 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: and like feel you to the brim. Like so, yeah, 405 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: they are really hospitable, like really really really welcoming in China. 406 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 3: Okay, now, how do you know this is gonna work? Again? 407 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: Now you're going out here. You got the idea, you 408 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 3: do them design, but like you got to market it. 409 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 3: You gotta test it. Like, how did you know that 410 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: Black Spades was actually working this something? 411 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: Because I did it. I knew it's gonna work because 412 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 2: I was doing it. It don't matter what I do, 413 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 2: it's gonna work. That's just my philosophy. But I knew 414 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: it was gonna work because it was just a gaping 415 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: hole in the market. Like I said, I had never 416 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: heard of a spades deck. I just had never heard 417 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: of that that. I had never heard of it at 418 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: that time, twenty eighteen into twenty eighteen. Coming in twenty nineteen, 419 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: I had never heard of cars that had black people 420 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: on them. So I was like, knowing how big Space 421 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 2: is to the culture, like what it means to us 422 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,399 Speaker 2: for us to have a deck of cards that have 423 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: black people on it, I was like, I know that's 424 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: going to work. Then the way that we designed it 425 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: is we designed it in a way that if you 426 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: don't know how to play, it helps you learn how 427 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: to play because it's labeled. So I was like, we're 428 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: not going to be arguing over a big joker a 429 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: little joker. If you don't know what to is hired 430 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 2: than the other two for the people that play joke 431 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: jokerduce due, then that's going to be labeled. We're going 432 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: to tell you what tow is to take out. So 433 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: I was like, now, not only do I appeal to 434 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: the people that play space, I also appeal to people 435 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 2: that want to learn. So I'm like, I know it's 436 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 2: going to work. I just it was never a doubt 437 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: that it was going to work, you know, And. 438 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 3: How did you start taking at the market, like, how 439 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 3: did you start getting in front of people? 440 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: So what we did was originally, at first I had 441 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 2: a business partner who basically financed like the startup cost. 442 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: So I said, Hey, here's a plan. I want to 443 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: do a campaign on Kickstarter. The Kickstarter is not necessarily 444 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 2: to raise the money. I just know that on Kickstarter 445 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: things have the propensity to go viral on Kickstarter and 446 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: that could be like a marketing thing too. So I 447 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: was like, we're gonna already have our decks produced, but 448 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna do the Kickstarter anyway, you know, just as 449 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: like a way to kind of help generate BUTZ. What 450 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: I then did was I made a list of everybody 451 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: that I knew that had any type of influence. So 452 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: you know, Instagram was it like what it is now 453 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: back then, but I was like, okay, anybody that had 454 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: over X amount of thousands of followers. I made a list, 455 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 2: and I was like, I broke it down in the 456 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 2: three sections people that I know if I call them 457 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: they're gonna post for me, people that I'm pretty sure 458 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: that they would, and then just long shot, I'm gonna 459 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 2: ask anyway. Then it's probably like a list of like 460 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: one hundred people, Like I said, we already had the decks. 461 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: So before the Kickstarter campaign even started, we already had decks. 462 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: So I shipped those decks to a out to everybody. 463 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: I shipped decks out to everybody. I was like, Hey, 464 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: we want to launch this on July first. If you 465 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: can just make a post, everybody posted on the same day. 466 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 2: On top of that, what happened was there were I 467 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: had been talking about black Space, showing the process, showing 468 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: the designs, showing me going to Egypt, showing me going 469 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: to China. So people have been following the build up 470 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: of it for months, so people were anticipating it too. 471 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 2: For those people that were anticipating it, like how can 472 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: I buy? How can I buy? I was like, We're 473 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: going to put them on sale on this date. Everybody 474 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: spend money on this date. So then that way, my 475 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 2: thought was, we're going to trigger this algorithm on Kickstarter 476 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 2: to cause you know, if you do so much percentage 477 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: of sales, it'll push it up. So then I was like, 478 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 2: we're going to set our goal to something minimum that 479 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: I know that we can meet. So then that way 480 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: we exceed like fully funded in the first day or 481 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 2: something like that, right, that was the idea. It was 482 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 2: still more than I thought that we could have done. 483 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: It was five thousand. 484 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know if we're going to 485 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: do it, but it's not that unfeasible, so set it 486 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: to that. So I was already thinking like, how does 487 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: this algorithm work? How do would this marketing work? All 488 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: of that, we also I also made a list of 489 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: like black business pages on Instagram, So we got like 490 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: bi black Economics, black Wall Street, like those pages that 491 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: you see that's like this black person is the youngest 492 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: to graduate. 493 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: Whatever. 494 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: Those pages you can pay them to post for you. 495 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: So I made a list of a bunch of those pages. 496 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: Then we figured out, okay, these pages are the ones 497 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: we want to go with, set a budget aside to 498 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 2: pay them, study how they I studied how they communicate 499 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: with their audience, studied the fonts that they use in 500 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: their posts, and then we just created a post that 501 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: looked like their posts so that it didn't look like 502 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: we paid for it, and then said okay, we want 503 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 2: you to post it on this date. So we had 504 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: everything kind of culminated for that launch date. Everything hit 505 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: on that launch date. We did over five thousand dollars, 506 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 2: I think, and that first that first twenty four hours, 507 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: twenty four hours, we had done our goal. 508 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: But that was kind of what it was, Okay, just 509 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 3: hitting it on all the cylinders, reaching out the influencers, 510 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: really pushing them right right, and getting the thing out 511 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: into the market. 512 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, just getting it, just getting it out, Like just 513 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 2: thinking about what you have available to you, and like 514 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: how can you leverage what you have available to you 515 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: to the best of your ability? And I'm kind of 516 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: a marketing person anyway, so my brain is always thinking 517 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: of how do I how do I do this in 518 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: a way that people don't realize that I'm doing this? 519 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it works, you know what I mean. So 520 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: that's pretty much what it was. 521 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: What have you learned, like having gone through everything, Like 522 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: what would you do different now based on what you 523 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 3: just know about the business if you had to relaunch 524 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 3: this again and you wanted to be successful, Like, would 525 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 3: you do anything different? 526 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: Like I said, I have a four we're a business partner. Definitely, Definitely, 527 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who are you going in the business with. 528 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 2: Put it on paper and right I was telling somebody 529 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 2: like people are going to be people, gonne people so 530 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: the paper doesn't it's not going to influence how they behave. 531 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: But what it will do is it'll alleviate a lot 532 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: of problems legally. So stuff being on paper, you go 533 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: to the judge, the judge could just be like, we 534 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 2: don't even need. 535 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: To take this to trial, black and white. 536 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: Rulin your favor, Yeah, two three years, thousands of dollars safe. 537 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: So that's the first thing. 538 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: The second thing that I would do is I would 539 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: get into accelerated programs and like incubator programs and all 540 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: of that way earlier because it's a lot of stuff 541 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: that I learned in those programs that I'm like, man, 542 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 2: I wish I had known this before. You know, I 543 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: probably would be a lot better with money. Like I've 544 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 2: always been one of them people like, oh I need money, 545 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just go make it. I'm gonna just hustle 546 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 2: it up. I've never well, I'm growing to be. Let 547 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: me make wiser decisions, you know, because it's always is me, 548 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: I just make more money, and like that is it's exhausting. 549 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 2: And I think finally, the thing that I would do 550 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: is be more starting out. I would have been more 551 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: intentional about finding the people to do the work instead 552 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: of me trying to do everything because I don't have to. 553 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: I don't have to do everything, Like why am I 554 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: doing this? Anybody could do that? You know, I need 555 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: to be doing the things that only I could do. 556 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: So maybe that those. 557 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: Things absolutely now, Like what's if you kind of think back, 558 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 3: is there been a moment or decision that you made 559 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 3: that like really kind of like changed everything, whether you 560 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: know good or bad? Like has it been like an 561 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: inflection point moment that kind of jumps out and is like, 562 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: you know what, this was good but like right here 563 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: this thing happened and like it was different after that. 564 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: Ah, Man, several of those. There's been several of those moments. 565 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: It's not anyone. The ones that stand out most aren't 566 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: necessarily the positive moments, Like this was a decision that 567 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: I made and it was a win because I said 568 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: that when I do something I expect to win. 569 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't do it hoping and praying. 570 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, if I'm going to do it, it's gonna wine, 571 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: like because I'm gonna find a way to make it win. 572 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: So the inflection points for me that stand out are 573 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: like the ones that didn't work. 574 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: The way it was supposed to be. I have a few. 575 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: A few. Man, it's a few. 576 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: Man, Like, yeah, it's a few, And I don't know 577 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: how to say them in a way that how do 578 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 2: I articulate it in the way that it helps somebody 579 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: else to not make that decision or decisions like that. 580 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: It's been a few. It's been a few. 581 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: I got to come back and figure out a way 582 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: that I can say it in a way that's beneficial 583 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: to people. 584 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, Well tell me about Blacker. 585 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: What's that? So? Blacker is our Spades app. 586 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: So because of the work that I did with with 587 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: Doppart Media, the creative agency, So working with different brands. 588 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 2: A lot of the brands that we work with were 589 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: tech companies, so Google, Twitter, Amazon, We've. 590 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: Worked with Microsoft. 591 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 2: Well about black Spades work with Microsoft, but we worked 592 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: with a lot of different tech companies, and I've had 593 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: the privilege of like actually being in the headquarters and 594 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: seeing how they work and everything, and kind of learning 595 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: how tech works, and so just being like tech adjacent 596 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 2: for so many years, I started realizing, like, man, wait 597 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: a minute, if you want to thrive and succeed, you 598 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: need some type of tech element. Or you're not gonna 599 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 2: You're not going to be around. So I'm thinking, okay, 600 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: how do I get that tech element. The other thing 601 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: was I had this vision of black Spades, like people 602 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 2: playing spades on like PlayStations, xboxes, and I'm like, how 603 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: to create that? So I got my masters from Full Seal. 604 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 2: I reached out to them at Full Sale because it's 605 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: like a super dope gaming program. 606 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: That's there. 607 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: My degree was in film, but when I spoke to 608 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 2: the gaming people, they were like, hey, don't try to 609 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 2: make a video game. Make an app. First, prove the concept, 610 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: then come back and make the video game. So I 611 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: was like, okay, cool. So that's kind of where it started, was, 612 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 2: you know, just wanting to make a video game, wanting 613 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: to get my feed in the tech in some form, 614 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: and then that's where Blacker came about. 615 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: It's basically the Spades app. 616 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 3: Okay. And my guess is you kind of went through 617 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: a very similar experience like in building the cards out right, 618 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 3: like finding the right team, finding the people, I get 619 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 3: somebody to help you that whole look. As a former developer, 620 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 3: I can tell you and I'm sure you've got some 621 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: stories about that. 622 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: Now, Yes, like that all of this stuff. Whenever you 623 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: have an idea, it's all easy. The concept is easy. 624 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: You want to create a deck of cards, find a company, 625 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: give them design, printum sell them easy. You want to 626 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: build an app, find a developer, give them the spects 627 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: of whatever it is, build it, deploy it easy. The 628 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: complicated part is you're working with people. You know what 629 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 2: I mean, You're working with people, You're working with limited budget, 630 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: You're working with limited knowledge, you know what I mean, 631 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 2: And particularly if're getting into something that you don't know. 632 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: Like I said, I was tech adjacent, I'm non technical. 633 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: I don't know how to cold you know. I know 634 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: a little bit of HTML, like a little bit. I 635 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: know how to make something bold, you know what I'm saying, 636 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: Like I know how to make something bold in word Press. 637 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: But but you know it, just man, it was a monster. 638 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 2: It is a monster. Raising the money is one thing. Yeah, 639 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: Fortunately I had the relationships where I was able to 640 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: raise enough money and kind of keep the train going. 641 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 2: But being not technical, everybody ain't built the same, you 642 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like everybody doesn't have the same 643 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: integrity as you. Everybody doesn't have the same honesty as you, 644 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: And so people will take advantage of your ignorance, and 645 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 2: I got taken advantage of you know. 646 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: I had no shade to them. I should have known. 647 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: But it is what it is. 648 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: So there, it's just been a process like you do it. 649 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: This works or doesn't work. You figure out what doesn't work, 650 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: You go back to the drawing board, raise some more money, 651 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: fix it, you know what I mean. And that's kind 652 00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: of what it is. 653 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: No look, man, look I know I've seen it first hand. 654 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: I would tell people all the time. You know, it's like, 655 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: you know, this is one of the things you can't 656 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 3: cut corners with. If it sounds too good to be true, 657 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 3: sometimes it probably is, especially in that space, right. You know, 658 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 3: people don't realize how much, how much you know, money, 659 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: time and effort it takes to like build some of 660 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: these things out. And if you know how many people 661 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: came to meet telling me when they wanted to build 662 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: the next Facebook for five hundred dollars. 663 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 664 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 3: And it's like when I tell them, no, it's not 665 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 3: gonna work, they're kind of looking at me like I'm 666 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 3: making it up. I'm like, I'm not making this up. 667 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 3: But then they go find somebody. It's like I can 668 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 3: do it, and then every single time that person ran 669 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: off with their money, they don't have none to show 670 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: for it. 671 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, man, like run off of the money, 672 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: run off with the cold everything. 673 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: And my situation. It wasn't the code, like I knew 674 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: to get my code and my situation. It was the database. 675 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 2: And so I'm like, I know, I might now make 676 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: sure I got my code. I got the code when 677 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: I went to move to another team, so I'm like, 678 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: you know what, I can't work with you anymore, Like 679 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 2: it ain't no hard feelings man, this business. 680 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: But I got to cut ties. I might make sure 681 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: I got all my stuff got it. 682 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: Went to the next evel and they were like, hey, 683 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 2: where's the database, Like we can't do anything without the database. 684 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: And I'm like what And I'm like it was a 685 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: fight to try to get it, and so finally I 686 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 2: was like, don't worry about. 687 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: It, We'll just rebuild it. 688 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 689 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: So it ended up having to rebuild it. So yeah, man, 690 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 2: run off with Yeah, it's a monster building an app. 691 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: It is. 692 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: Man. 693 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 3: We look man, before we get out of here, tell me, man, like, 694 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 3: where do you see all this going? Like what are 695 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 3: the next five years like for like Black Spades and Blacker. 696 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: Prayerfully we will have gotten to a point where it's 697 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: kind of household name, you know what I mean, or 698 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: at least you know quasi household name. 699 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: If I say, what's the name of that app? 700 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 2: Fan base? You know what fan base is. People know 701 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: what fan base is. Whether they have it or not, 702 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: people know what fan base is. And I would hope 703 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: to at least have Blacker to that level, or at 704 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: least have Black Spades to that level, you know what 705 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: I mean. I think like a brand like Atlanta influence 706 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: is everything, or like you think about or you think 707 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 2: about like the Trap Music Museum when people come to Atlanta, 708 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: people know that whether you live in Atlanta or not. 709 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 2: So my goal is to have Black Spades kind of 710 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: like that, and Black are like that in the black 711 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: community where we know it, you know what I mean, 712 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: Whether you use it or not, whether you play with 713 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: it or not, it's a name that when it said, 714 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: people recognize it. 715 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: So that's my goal on the lower end. 716 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: On the bigger end, my goal is like why don't 717 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: we have platforms like Instagram or like how Twitter is 718 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 2: where when it's election time, Trump sits down with Elon Musk. 719 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: It's like, dang, we didn't have anything on that scale 720 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 2: that we could have sat calmly down. And so, you know, 721 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: with Blacker, I hope because it's so much more than 722 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: the Spades app. It's going to have a social element 723 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: to it too. But I hope to get it to 724 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: that point. But at a minimum, I just want it 725 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: to be for us and for us to know what 726 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 2: it is, and you know, for it to resonate with us. 727 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, and we got out of here. Mantell folks, 728 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 3: how can they support you? How can they get a 729 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: copy of Black Spades? Can they play black or yet? 730 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: Like give them all the things? Man? 731 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, So Black Spades, Blackspace dot com, b l 732 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: v c K Spades dot com, Blacker. 733 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: We're doing the beta right now. 734 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 2: So if you reach out to me, you can reach 735 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: out to me on Instagram. My instagram is Emaki Creates. 736 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: I don't check the black Space I g DM. So 737 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, y'all, but if you reach out to me 738 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: on Instagram you want to get the the beta of Blacker, 739 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: just reach out to me. Let me know what type 740 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: of phone you have, Android, the iPhone. I'll send you 741 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 2: the link you can download it and then you know, 742 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: we should be in an app store, hopefully by the 743 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: end of September. I'm sorry, yeah, by the end of 744 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: September early October, I'm hoping that we'll be in the 745 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: app store, so you can just download it there. 746 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 3: Okay, man link when you get up out of here, 747 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 3: man space. But you know what I'm saying, Man, appreciate Hey, Mackie, 748 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 3: appreciate you pulling up congratulations and all the things. 749 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: You know. 750 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 3: I am a Black Spade supporter. I appreciate it. And uh, 751 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 3: you know what that man we out that's the Pope. 752 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 1: All right. 753 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: You've been listening to button Nomics and I'm your host, 754 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: Brandon Butler. Got comments, feedback? Want to be on the show? 755 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: Send us an email today at Hello at butternomics dot com. 756 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: Butter Nomics is produced in Atlanta, Georgia at iHeartMedia by 757 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 3: Ksey Pegram, with marketing support from Queen and Nikki. Music 758 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: provided by mister Hanky. 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