WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Eric Roberson Part 2 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.080 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:06.240 What's Up? What's Up? What's up? Y'all? 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:09.640 This is Questlove. Welcome to another Quest Love Supreme. As 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.320 you know, we're doing these special episodes of which each 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.200 team supremember in abuse of person their passionate album Sugar. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.280 Steve sort of kicked it off with a two part incredible. 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.000 Two part conversation with one of his musical heroes, Elvis Costello, 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:26.360 that we did at Electrically Studios, and Corus Fonte again 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:31.479 his special solo session with singer songwriter Eric Roperson and 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.879 these men are friends. They made an album together and 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.239 it's an excellent look into the lives of two artists. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.519 And if you haven't heard part one, please check it 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.760 out because this is part two from Fonte and Eric 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.040 to Hilario only on Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.120 All right, y'all enjoy it. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.720 What was the record for you that as an independent artist, 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.240 you know, because you have you have your moments, so 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.120 you have some records that like will go all all 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:01.760 the way off, and then you had some to. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:03.000 Just be like, all right, this did cool. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:07.880 What was the record for you that like kind of 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.920 was the one where you was like Okay, I think 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.280 I got it because I can tell you what it 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.800 was for me as a fan, but I don't know 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.759 what it was like for you on the business side. 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:18.760 For me, it was Left. 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.200 And I ain't even saying that just because I was 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:24.240 on it, but like Left, I mean, I got Vault 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.080 one point five. That was the first record I ever 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.520 bought of yours. I actually got that one before I 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.400 got Esoteric. I was in I was in Chicago. We 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.920 was on a Little Brother We was on a Little 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.160 Brother tour stop and we went to it was that 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.839 Virgin Mega store that used to be uh in Chicago, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.319 like that that big Virgin Mega store, and I just 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:46.399 saw you. 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.640 I just saw your joint, Eric Robson, and I knew 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.000 you from. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.240 The Jazzy Jeff album and so I was like, I 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:53.600 was like, oh, he got an I was like, oh, 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.800 I caught this, and I bought that and I played 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.640 you know the first record you know is you know 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.640 is she couldn't hear me over the music, and I 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.680 was just like, oh my god, and like I ran 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.920 that whole record. That record got me through that tour, 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.239 you know what I'm saying. And so that was the 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.720 first one and then when I saw that one and 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:17.160 I saw it was produced by Redhead Kingpin, I was like, what, like, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.440 how did that come about? 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:26.000 Months first, Red had one of the most talented producers, visionaries. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.480 I've ever even been in a room with Right and 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.280 I'm honest that they even allowed me to do that 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.920 song with him, But I would tell you couldn't hear 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.880 me all the music was probably the song that probably 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.399 like changed everything, and then from there it was able 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.480 to grow Right So here everyone's like Eric, that's Eric 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.160 was in a songwriter and truth be Told Even before that, 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.640 like when I was doing songs off fatic and off 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.240 of like when I was doing the Vault album, a 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.720 lot of the times played when I played the songs, 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.800 when people heard the songs, they were like, can we 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.519 buy them? So that was so the left the Vault 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.919 was was a heavy draw the line in the saying 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.840 I'm not selling these songs like it was like you know, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:09.799 and and truth be Told off. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.560 So it's Vault Volume one point five. Why is it that? 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.040 Because Volume one had hold On, which eventually went to 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:16.440 dwell a. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.280 Yo, yeah, I want to ask you to yeah, like 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:24.000 so that because I love that fucking song. Dwayne Bay, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.359 what's the what's the deal with him? 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.800 Like, how did you guys know what the college together? Man? 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:29.200 We met. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.840 I was walking into the Drew Hall at Howard University 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.960 freshman year with a keyboard under my arm. He was like, Yo, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.640 you do music, and I was like, yeah, I do too, 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.000 and he came my room and I think he was 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.760 my room freshman. Like it was just like I had 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.920 this little small room by the size of this chair 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.119 I'm sitting there, and it's like everybody saw me walk 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.920 into that that dorm room with a keyboard and like 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.040 some little minuscule equipment and it was like what's on 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:56.119 and popping in this room? 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.840 Like my room was never empty. People would just work 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:00.320 on music. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.280 And guess what, it is an honor that there's still 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.200 a lot of Dwayne on my new album that we 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.240 just put out, and you know, with Jermaine mob Lea 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.520 and you know, so many, so many brothers, Tracy Lee, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.160 so many cats I met when I got there and 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:17.440 just started bonding with that. We still do do music, 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:22.520 you know, to this day. But yeah, that was that 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.719 was just right right with homies. But the first album 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:30.080 eventually had to be changed because, yeah, I was heavy 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.080 in the songwriter Carl Thomas I wrote Reround was on Rebound, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.159 so it was like, okay, let's change this up one 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.320 point five and then from this point on like this, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.120 this is this is it Now I'm not selling anything. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.040 You're not gonna hear no problems, no whatever whatever. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.839 I think Volume one had one time with with Jill 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:50.479 Scott on it and stuff like that, so it was like, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:52.240 so the boom, but then it. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.560 Was previous was previous catch? Was that on the vault? 0:04:55.720 --> 0:05:00.240 No, previous cats was I never I had never released it, 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.640 previous catch I had just played for I wrote it 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.719 in college with Jermaine Mobley, but I played it for music, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.440 just a demo of it, and interesting enough before he 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.279 ever had a record deal, and he was like, I 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.400 want that for my second album. I was like, like, what, 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.960 you ain't even sign on your first album yet, Like 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.400 he gets signed. It was like, yeah that previous catch, No, no, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.200 that's my second album, all right, cool man, shoot your shot. 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:27.080 He puts the album out. 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.080 Of course he comes music soulcha and then and then 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.240 sure enough he called me like, hey, I'm started my 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.159 second album. You still got that previous cat song. I 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:40.160 was like Yo, you different, man, you different. I was like, yeah, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.240 we recorded, but I don't know why I never put 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.360 that song because me and Jermaine Mobley worked on a 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.080 lot of records. He's on that, he's on that Vault album. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.800 But for some reason, uh, I think you know what 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.360 real talk. By the time I'm starting to release the records, 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.279 and I think that's the song right in me. Like 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.480 once music said I liked the song even if I 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.080 wanted my an album, I was like, this is. 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:01.680 For music now. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.080 I like, probably I've never even considered it for myself, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.360 which is probably why it was not on the Vault record. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.960 Or no, it's funny you say that. I'm the exact 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:10.440 same way. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.760 Like for me if someone is speaking for it, like 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.840 our mentality in our campus that there's always another song. 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.360 So if someone if we write something and they like, yo, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:21.240 I want it, it's like, all right, cool, it's yours 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.600 and we're just city. It's whenever you're ready for it, 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.680 because we can always make something else. So the Vault 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.160 one point five that was you know, you say that 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.120 was the one that kind of you know, that was 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.200 kind of line in the sand and. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:37.160 Then left for me, that was the moment. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.880 When I saw because you know, I was, I mean, 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:41.560 I was just a fan. So when you hit me 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.599 that night when you came to Jersey we went to 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:45.520 your crib, I was just like, all right, I'm just 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:48.560 kicking it one of the homies. Like I was not aware. 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.640 I mean I knew your catalog, I knew like you're 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.360 writing and stuff. But you know, I'm just like, man, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.280 I'm just kicking it this this big bro, I'm just 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.800 kicking it. But when Left came out, and when I 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.480 saw the response that like being in love and I 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:01.880 saw it was people hit me. 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.640 Like, yo, you I heard you on Arrow Eric Rob 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:05.600 was the new album, and I was. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.960 Like, oh like this dude, like oh wow, Like he 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.000 got people like really out here. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:12.400 You know what I'm saying. 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.440 That was that was just that was from my experience. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.720 That was you know, from my vantage point. When that 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.440 record came out, I just saw, you know, just the 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:21.320 people that were hit me. 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:22.040 I mean it was. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.160 It really put a lot of eyes on me that 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:25.760 I did not expect at all. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:27.400 Well probably vice versa. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.360 I think, you know, our relationship just in general, every 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:31.880 time we did a song, I think it ith it 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.640 definitely boosted me and if it if it boosted you, 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.240 that was great idea, it did, you know, I think 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.080 left everything was a growing lesson. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:39.240 You know. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.200 Right after that we did music fan first, and we 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.800 getting That's when we studied nominating for Grammys and stuff 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:44.120 like that. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.120 So we and must we have to know because all 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.840 our listeners, Aero and I have the honor of losing 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:52.840 the same Grammy to Indian. 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:58.400 Right, thank you for submitting your song and uh beating 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.480 out me both asses to the crib right right. So 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.679 you know, it was just different. Everything was just different levels. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.120 It was like it was constantly growing. It was just 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.320 like you know, for me and and I'll be honest 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.520 with you, I mean I probably kept my head down 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.200 and just worked so much. I probably didn't spend much 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:19.000 time like acknowledging the groundwork that was being laid in, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:20.760 like how much things were moving. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.400 You know. I just remember being a struggling artist and 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.160 then one day not struggling. One day, like you know. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.920 Man, listen, I remember I remember us having that conversation 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.400 during Tigularro where it's just like, listen, man, I'm finally 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.400 at the point in my life where I'm making the 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.320 music I want to make and I'm not fucking broke. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.000 Yeah, yeah, like that's I mean, that's it. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.440 You know, whatever you get on top of that is gravy, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.000 you know what I mean. But I remember, I certainly 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.839 remember those conversations when when you did uh it was 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.000 it was a music fan first the box album. I 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.320 want to specifically ask a boy that one you did 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.640 a record which is like still like one of my 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:02.800 top five eer Row record, it might be top three, 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.480 I don't know, but your record with the just imagine 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.200 with King, Oh my god. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.720 I was so mad when I heard that. I was like, 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:17.120 oh my god, please talk about Paris and Amberg. Man. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.600 I just love them to death. And you know we've 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.600 all been long time supporters of them. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:22.800 Yeah, we know. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.080 I want to make sure I say it on this 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.000 platform too, because it's very important something I've been talking about, 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:29.439 especially with my students. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:29.600 You know. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.240 I teach at Berkeley College of Music in Boston, and 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.079 one of the things I learned when I got there 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:40.560 was like, how how many female musicians or female artists 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:45.320 have been talked out of their greatness out of ignorance 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.640 of men, out of ignorance of just surroundings of just 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.760 like the fact that like that, we should be shocked 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.439 that a female could make a dope beat, right, Like, how 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.080 insult the right you make that beat? Like, yo, you female, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.000 you made a beat like that. It's almost kind of 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.760 like it's the ignorant statements. 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.800 That he speaks so well or some shit. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:04.240 It's like. 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.559 A black person, what. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.600 Do you mean you know so so so Like I'm 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.760 I'm really dedicated to try to change that character that 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.920 the situation. But let's say, even before I learned of 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.559 the ignorance, I was always one If you dope, you dope, right, 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:24.560 and male females look at the history of my work, 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.200 whether who's been on stage with me, who I've done 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:27.320 songs with, whatever, whatever. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.000 If you dope, you dope, whether you a female, male whatever. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:36.719 Right. I was in LA just my my wife had 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.560 got tickets with her girlfriend to go see Oprah's last 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.720 you know, her last show or whatever. You was in 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.000 LA and they got tickets at LIC So we had 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:45.080 just had my first son. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:45.760 I'm in LA. 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:49.760 We had some Mexican restaurant. I'm really just babysitting. I 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.400 got my kid and my my wife and this young 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.360 lady walked up and goes can I take a picture, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:58.600 you know, a big fan of your music. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.440 I'm like, no problem, yeah, sure, So we take a picture. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.120 And then while we're taking the picture, she says, you know, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.800 I just did an album with when my sister and 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.120 a good friend of mine and I produced it and 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:09.679 mixed it. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.560 And I was like, I was like, oh. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.440 Word, okay, cool. I said, can I buy it? Can 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:16.319 I buy it from you? And now she's not give me no, no, no, no, 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.680 I'm gonna buy it from you. And she gave me something. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.800 I gave her a twenty dollar bill and she gave 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.160 me and then I noticed it was only three songs, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.520 and I said, damn, I just paid twenty dollars for 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.800 three songs, right, And I was like, it's all good. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:26.160 It's all up. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.319 That's the track source prices, right. But I was like cool, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:32.959 but just in just basic. I was like, I was like, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:34.199 what's your name is? 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.120 Said? She said name was Paris and I was like, 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.600 all right, cool, group's named King. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.160 I was like, all right, cool, this is great, yo, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.920 listen my information this that is that just just sowing 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.320 into it, like yo, this seems dope. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:44.559 Like the other album cover. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.760 Whatever, we get in the car and The first song 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.280 has this like drum beat intro, and I went, whatever 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:56.400 it did, and I paused it exactly when I even 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.319 came in. I stopped it, and my wife will tell 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.520 you I looked at it. I said, this is about 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:05.240 to be incredible. Just off the intro to get to 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.880 I stopped it. I was like, get ready because I 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.640 just realized this is something different here, this is. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.360 I said, this is about to be incredible. 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.800 So we press play, and I mean, I could not 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.560 stop listening to this music for like it was just 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:18.800 the soundtrack for whatever. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.040 So I call her back like, oh my god, who 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:22.119 are this is incredible? 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.800 And then I remember Prince calls and Eric aba Do calls, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.520 and I remember like just hearing her going, oh my god, 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.560 beget these calls and then boom. 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:36.160 Now we all know Kings as King and. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.920 It's an honor that I called her and was like, yo, 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.840 I want you to produce a song on my album, 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.080 like I want you to not not because you're dope 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.040 female and not whatever whatever you dope period period, and 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.600 I want y'all on it, like I want I want 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.320 y'all on it. And I think the world knows King 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:54.440 clearly now. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:55.280 But I was. 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.640 I was honored to be like, yo, everybody, this is King, 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:00.760 like you know, like you know, I want you all 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.439 to shine some light on this and I want you 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:04.400 to write a check. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:05.520 To this young lady. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.240 Let's talk about who's wearing this hat as a producer 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.280 on my record, Like you know, it was like let's 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:13.960 let's let's redo it, and and it came out as 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.720 a killer song just imagine as well as I keep 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:20.000 it really one hundred. It's one of the rare songs 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.200 on one of my albums I did not write, if 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.800 not the very first one. Like like she wrote it, 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:28.480 she produced it. It was like no, like like and 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.240 I it's like it wasn't a statement. It just it's dope. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.560 It's like listen, I don't need to write it's fire 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:34.400 to track fire. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.800 I was like, this is I want this, you know 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:37.240 what I mean? 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:41.280 So uh And that she's still like still one of 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:42.800 my favorite producers. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.440 Oh man, yeah, I man, I love that to death. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.680 Like I was so happy to see them, like you know, 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.439 playing with with cold Play. It was just like what 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.480 the fuck are you kidding me? Like, I mean so 0:13:54.679 --> 0:14:01.720 so happy for them, man, big ups the King. I 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.160 wanted to talk to you about go back to Picture 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:08.600 Perfect because I will never forget. At that time, it was, 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.400 you know, kind of going back to the you know, 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.640 with the label things happening, that record was about to 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.360 be out of here, and then what happened. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:22.120 Uh, so we we we got distributed through E one 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.440 and that's when Shadow was there. So Shadow was like 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.440 the main radio and the main reason I think, you know, 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.680 we're going from music fan first to like, all right, 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.600 how do we follow up like these the Grammy nominations 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.840 that were losing in India, the second one I lost, 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.440 the selot shout out to Sea Lo and uh and 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.120 it was like, well, why don't we do this situation 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.040 at that point, you know, you did the record with 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.800 Anthony David and Algebra, that joint went crazy, you know 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.360 record yeah, evermore And it was like it seemed like 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:53.080 a good spot. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:53.640 And then. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.520 It's just once again, my whole thing is like just 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.560 stay on your path, man, Like, just stay on your path, 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:01.480 keep doing. And then so here we go doing this 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.520 thing because it seemed like with this Shadow and radio 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.200 and stuff like that, Shadow leaves and it just like 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.800 there was no momentum. There's no momentum, but mind you 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.160 even with that picture. Purple was a huge record for me. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:14.960 It was a it was a it was a really 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.760 impactful moment to me. But it was also a moment 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.360 where I was like it really anchored us into like 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:25.160 like we we really don't need these other companies, like 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.240 we probably would have made Peter Purple would have probably 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:32.760 arguably been bigger if we just did everything ourselves. It 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.479 was completely one hundred percent ourselves, Like you know, we're 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.480 coming off this thing, and so it was the only 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.320 time where I technically had muscle, if you want to 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.440 call that muscle, and it was like if we actually 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.120 did less than what I think my my actual team 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.520 would have done, if we if we controlled the whole thing, 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:51.960 you know what I'm saying. But it was, like I said, 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:53.760 it was, it was still a I can't get off 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:55.680 stage without singing the song. 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.480 You know, Oh yeah, no, you ain't making it all 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.080 the building, if you know what I'm saying, that it's 0:15:59.160 --> 0:15:59.680 not happening. 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:03.040 But yet when you look at like the album Afore 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.760 that which we which we put everything together for, you know, 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.000 we can't get off stage out singing, dealing. We can't 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.040 get off stage singing, you know, So certain things. So 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:12.840 it was one of those things where it's like, yo, 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.760 you're doing all right, like stay on your stay. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:16.640 On your path, you know. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:22.120 And uh, you said something not too long ago on uh, 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.720 I think you're just doing you was talking on ig 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.720 and I think you were like it never goes wrong, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.520 like when when when it's like when it's just me 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.360 doing it, when I like when wet on yourself, it 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.400 was like it was just like it was just anchoring 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.080 in it. It's like, man, you know, I'm fine, Like 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.520 mind you. I always tell everybody completion is the most 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.320 important word in music business. It's like it's it's it. 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.120 It's the difference between who wins and who loses, you know, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.160 my company and now we are celebrating twenty one years now. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.680 Right talk that sh bro Yes, yes, and. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.200 We're not celebrating it because we've we successfully did everything right, 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.040 We completed everything we tried. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.800 Yeah, and the thing, let's be clear up something twenty 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.959 one years. So I want to make this you know, 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:14.080 this specification twenty one years as independent r and b 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:18.880 artists like people have no idea, you know, like when 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.199 when Dame Dash when he was like years you know, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:26.359 decades ago, when he was like, you know, selling rap 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.000 is like selling crack, but like selling R and B 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.399 is like selling coke. It just requires a different you know, 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.840 when he was talking about you know, the Christian album 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.960 and why it didn't really go on Rockefeller and you know, 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.040 and I listen, I've never sold drugs a day of 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:42.520 my life. But I understood what he was saying when 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.679 I got into the business because I can be you know, 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.080 hip hop, like I'm sitting right here at my hoodie 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.040 and in like sweatpants. I can take a selfie right 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.560 now and be like this is the cover of my 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:56.119 new album and as long as I'm spitting on it, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.760 like no one will care. But R and B you 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.600 do not have that at Liberty, Like the look gotta 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.080 be right, Like R and B is a money game, bro, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.640 and to do it for twenty one years, I mean 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.840 that really is is a testament. And I want you 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.000 to speak to just the challenges of that, just so 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.040 some of our listeners and something, because we have a 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.879 lot of a lot of artists that listen to the 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.639 show and kind of tap in just for you know, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.360 for different game. So just talk to them about your 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.640 you know, how you're able to make it work without 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.119 having that, you know, one hundred thousand or whatever to 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.679 spin on a video or just to be frivolous. You know, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:30.600 how do you make that work? 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.560 I think the difference really comes down to is the 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.320 first thing that separates in R and B was quality. 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.800 So the first the first opscole we had the show 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.000 was that, yo, this is of the same quality. Right, 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.760 So immediately think acts hip hop independently or major is 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:48.480 to say it wasn't looked at you if you could 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.760 spit the best fire, it's cool. We accept it. With 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:55.000 R and B and soul music. If it wasn't a major, 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.399 you for some reason looked at it like this is 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.760 this is less, this is not effort was put in you? 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:01.880 Like no, no, you could tell. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.359 You could tell, like you could always see that artists 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.800 where like, Okay, they have a major album and it's like, okay, 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.840 this is the major album. But then they get off 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.399 the major and they put out something theyself and like 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.640 the cover looked like fucking clip art. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.880 You know what I'm saying. It sounds like just it's 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:20.720 just the presentation is just all the way, it's not 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:21.840 up the par you know. 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.959 I think I think one thing that I've been very 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.800 fortunate also, and I got to say that is that 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:32.200 you know, we got Drey and Vidal on records when 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.360 they're working on Usher and music and Jail and they're 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.560 working on my record. We got Rich Harrison, he's working 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.520 on Beyonce, but yeah, he's worked on my record, you 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.919 know what I mean, as well as mixed with my 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.919 brother b Jazz and and you know, just Aaron Harden 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.320 for my band. It's different people. But again, if you're dope, 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.879 you're dope, whether you're a super producer, Grammy Award, whatever, 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.879 or you just a homie I met in the house 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:57.880 band in Florida. 0:19:57.960 --> 0:19:59.280 If you're dope, you're dope. 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.000 I have no no problem with working with whoever right 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.600 and but yet at the same time, it has to 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.919 has to move like that. That whole thing chasing goosebumps 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.480 means everything. Like for me, that's the only rule in 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.040 the studio. Does it give you goose bumps? But that 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.240 same thing with the album covered, the album cover gotta 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.120 make you go, oh my god, that's crazy. I wish 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.879 I thought of that all. You know, that's crazy. 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.280 You know, So the first man speaking of album covers, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:30.399 I just before we cannot forget. Man, we lost a 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.159 mutual friend the past year in a Fave you know 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.920 what I'm saying. Yeah, Fave is the brother he did 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:42.600 to mister Nice Guy album cover. He podcaster, singer, producer. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:44.800 Fave had a hot sauce. 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:51.280 Like Fave, y'all Renaissnce Man. He had a multi company. 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:55.760 Bota company, No dude was It's crazy because you know, 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.040 and it was tough. That was tough losing Fave and 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.360 we missed him truly. But he's been a graphic designer 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.159 for me. And it's crazy because like he did the 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:06.120 Mister Nice Guy album cover. 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:08.480 Uh, he designed multiple T shirts. 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:10.840 I put out a Christmas card every year, like a 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:14.960 growing Christmas card, animated christ Yeah right. 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:16.920 Yeah. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:21.199 And then but then he also produced a music for me. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:26.960 He's shot photography. I mean, he's he's won so many hats. 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.800 He's been a part of my team and as well 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.440 as the entire movement. He's won so many hats of 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.280 like like I said, whether it's the sauce he was 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:41.640 cooking with with a bow tie company, you know, and 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.000 and even that it was like when he made the 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.720 bow tie, like that was Demo's laying demo was the 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:47.480 bow tie guy, so out of respect was like, yo, 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.080 I'm pass that off the DV. You rock with that, 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.600 but the bow ties was killing, Like so he's won 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:55.359 so many, so many hats, and you know this is 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:59.399 this was tough, like you know, uh, I lost a 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:03.840 lot of good friends and during the pandemic that were 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.560 very intricate to like what what we do. And Fave 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.879 was one of the people. Man, we're like, you know, 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.240 this Christmas was this last Christmas was tough because guess 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:15.399 what he was in this Christmas card. And then as 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.479 we're going into the album and figuring out how we're 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.439 going to make the new T shirts of the graphic, 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:20.760 he's the first call. 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:20.879 You know. 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:22.960 And and and in a big up you know, I 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:24.680 will say this. I make sure I say it because 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:27.040 Jarell was our point person between that like Drell is 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:29.640 always the one who was sitting with Fades and make sure. 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.399 My wife would be happy with how she was drawing 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:33.240 or whatever this and. 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.840 That, you know, and and and he really, you know, 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:39.280 he really he really lost a partner in that way. 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.800 But Fave was a solid dude man, and. 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.040 We tried to beautiful brother man, beautiful guy. 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:47.000 Like that was one man, but he was one, but 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.240 he was one of the people who you know, up 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:53.520 two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning making slight changes 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.399 so that when people see it, they see the effort, 0:22:56.800 --> 0:22:59.000 they see the quality. And I think at the end 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:00.399 of the day, it just comes down to that, like 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.920 I want you to put my album next to Whoever's album, 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:09.199 D'Angelo usher, whoever, faith whatever, I want you to put 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:12.080 against the best album that year, and whether it's better 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:13.800 or not, I'm not here to say it's better. I'm 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:15.520 here to say it's gonna be all the same quality. 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.879 Guess what, we just go with the same mics we 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:20.880 shot out with the same type of photographers we were. 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:24.919 We are investing in in our and it doesn't have 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.240 to be that it's a five hundred thousand dollars budget. 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.280 You know, guess what, We all are operating on million 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.520 dollar budgets. Whether whether you got a million dollars anb 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.160 we all putting our best foot forward. Takeile were putting 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.000 our best foot forward, you know, writing weld challenge each 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:39.439 other and you. 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:41.639 Know, I mean that was so even to the Leo. 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.879 Even that was like the way the cover art and everything. 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:47.639 It was just I mean that was because at the time, 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.159 you I think you were on tour or you know 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:51.639 where you had, you know, your kids, and then I 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.800 was on tour. So we never had a real photo 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.560 shoot for that album. We never had a photo shoot. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:58.719 No, but let's find a dope picture. Let's figure out 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:00.760 dope way to put it together that could that could 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:02.600 tell a story. And to this day, I mean, it's 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.280 it's one of the it's so it's like a minimalist, 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:08.439 simplistic album, but it's so and you ran point more 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.399 on that one real talk, but we are from the 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:14.639 same place like these, uh these album covers tell a 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:16.880 story and there's a reason why this picture is this 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:17.639 way or whatever. 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:20.280 And yeah, that was the thing because I saw the joke. 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.439 We had the picture and I was like, all right, Well, 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:24.960 my whole thought was I'm like, okay, we got these 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:27.480 pictures of us live and they did a mock up 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:28.640 of us like singing. 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:29.359 You know. 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.280 There was some pictures from our Chicago show at the Shrine, Rest. 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.919 Of the Beasts, you know what I mean, we did 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:39.120 them shows at the Shrine and uh we brother it 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:39.520 took him. 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:40.520 I cannot remember his name. 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.520 Please forgive me, but I got something from him and 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.199 he had him and I was like, all right, this 0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.520 is dope. And we did a couple of mock ups 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:51.040 with my man, my man Chris Charles and so. But 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:56.000 when I showed it to everyone's independent Soul and our 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:57.919 butter and so bounce all. 0:24:57.880 --> 0:25:00.639 Right, but yeah, shout out, shout out to. 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:04.680 The buttress in red velvet, uh Susan. But I sent 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:06.560 her a mock up of it and she was like, Yo, 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:08.399 this is dope, but it looks like a live album 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:11.440 and I was like, oh nah, like that. So that's 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.800 when I got that there. I was like, Okay, if 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:17.120 I drop it down where it's just our faces like 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.760 covering over, it'll look like the King of Rock cover, 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.280 you know what I'm saying, the run DMC. And then 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:27.119 if we put the titles on the front with the 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:30.320 bar code, that's a call back to Urban Haynes Sweet. 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.639 So it's like the double It's like, that's that to 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.880 me was what Tigolo represent. I'm like, we are two 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.119 hip hop dudes, like without a doubt, but you know, 0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:42.359 also with soul and shit worked. 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:48.120 But think, like I said, we're taking Run DMC and 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.119 Maxwell and put it together. That is tigolero, you know 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:53.320 what I'm saying. So it's like it was all it 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.640 was all playing and all well thought out. But that's 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.080 to talking about like it ain't just no, we ain't 0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:00.280 just throwing this together. It's putting some f for a 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:04.119 time and like a science behind it, and it makes 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.399 it makes sense. And every album cover I've seen you do, 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:09.520 every song I've seen you do, it's the same effort, 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:10.680 and I feel like the same. 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:14.000 Thing we do for you. You be kicking my ass. 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:15.720 I'd be like, damn, Arrol got another album. 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.320 I'm like, man, you got you did? You came to 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.359 hear from here? I was like, damn, we ain't been 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:24.359 in the house for two months. This nigga got album already. 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.479 I'm like, damn, that's what that's Because I was scared 0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:31.280 and I was like shows getting canceled. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.760 I'm not going back to teaching. I'm like, what is happening. 0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:35.240 I was like, give me the pen real quick. 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.600 Let me you know, for me, whenever, whenever I feel 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:40.359 I mean I mean that like. 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:45.520 Music for me is like my ass friend or whatever. 0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:50.880 Like when I when Fave passed, when Paris Bowen's passed, 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:54.520 when Chadwick, Chadrick Boseman pay, when any of that stuff. 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:57.800 The first thing I did was I turned the equipment on, 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.560 you know, not like, oh, it's just that's when when 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:03.639 the pandemic started, I turned the equipment on. It's like, 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.640 for me, my whole view on creativity, my whole view 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:08.840 on art, my whole view on. 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:09.960 All of it is different. 0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.560 And I'm a I have a album called music Fan First, 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.240 and it means I'm the fan of it first. First thing. 0:27:16.720 --> 0:27:18.760 It's the soundtrack to my life. It's what brings me 0:27:18.840 --> 0:27:21.600 peace and what brings me ease. So on my worst day, 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.919 I'm picking a pin up. On the worst day, I'm 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.040 picking a guitar worst day. On my best day, I'm 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.320 doing it as well. So so yeah, it's not like 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:31.000 I'm like I'm racing. I'm making the first pandemic album. 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:35.239 It's like, nah, gonna beat everybody to the punch. It 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:36.720 was just more like, so. 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:40.119 What mortgage is doing? You know who's sick? Oh my god, 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:41.920 let me just write. 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.080 And I just started recording, like you know what I mean, 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.879 I didn't know any anybody. It's crazy. I've done two 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:51.800 albums during the pandemic. But but I just couldn't start writing, 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:52.720 you know what I mean. 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:55.560 I wanted to talk to you when you speak on 0:27:55.640 --> 0:28:00.080 as well, Man, you you know I met through you, 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:03.600 you know kind of you know, through you Anakin Invader Man. 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.240 These brothers are just amazing. Shout out to them, like 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:07.760 those my. 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.359 Guys, amazing brothers man. 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.840 Man, And you brought them on to executive produce your 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:18.200 new album, Lessons, which is you know again, just great record, man, 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.800 like just that, can't you know, to the top to bottom, 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:22.560 just always consistent. 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.200 How did you link up with them? 0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:30.600 And what was the decision to make Lessons kind of 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.000 the first single? 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.200 So meeting them goes back a while. 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.520 And this is a lesson for people just to shoot 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:38.320 your shot, right. 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.120 So you know. 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:44.240 Now, I got three kids, and usually when I do 0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.320 a show, now I'm catching the first thing smoking to 0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.080 get back home, right. So a lot of times you'll 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.080 find me at the airport five o'clock in the morning, 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:56.640 you know, right after the show that dog tired walking 0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:58.760 through all like a zombie, and I was at an 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.000 airport and I was just trying to stay awake. I remember, 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.600 I was just like trying not to fall asleep. So 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:05.720 I was like just scrolling through Instagram whatever I could 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:08.320 do to keep myself occupied, and I saw somebody attack 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:12.360 me on something and the name was Anakin Invader, and 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.640 I was like, did. 0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.040 Y'all name me yourselves? After Star Wars feelings? 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:20.240 That's the first thing caught my attention, like like, it 0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:25.680 isn't dar Vader, isn't Anakin. I was like, that's interesting, 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.440 so click. I clicked it because it caught my attention 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.480 and it was showing up. It was like Skywalker fighting 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:36.600 Darth Vader with like a hip hop beat under it, 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:40.640 and I was like, oh, that's dooke okay, next one, 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:45.040 and then it was like Princess Leiah like kissing Hans Solo. 0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:45.280 With like. 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.480 And I was like, y'all kind of got that off, 0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.480 so that's what y'all doing. And it probably like ten 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:55.560 like I went through that page. I probably spent like 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.800 ten minutes on that page, and then I hit them back. 0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.240 I said, yo, you got my attention, what's up? And 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.680 then like before the plane could take off, I remember 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.560 like within ten minutes, it was like as if they 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.240 could see that I was looking at their page or whatever. 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.280 I don't know, but as soon as I said, you 0:30:09.320 --> 0:30:11.640 got my attention, what's up? A dropbox link? 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:12.200 Clean? 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:13.320 It came right back. 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.120 They stay ready Like Jared Broke, he would hit me like, man, 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:18.920 I don't want to overwhelm you, like he would send 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.560 you a pholto with like one hundred joints, and it's just like, 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.720 bro Like those dudes are animals. 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:24.600 Man, love those dudes. 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:29.120 And I really yeah, I was like, did you just 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.520 send me a dropbox link? And then before the plane 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.600 could take off, I like open the dropbox link, downloaded it, 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.240 and I had like five songs written before the plane landed. 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.400 Like it was just like who are y'all? 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:43.840 And it's been a great friendship, great partnership since then. 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:49.320 We've been working NonStop. And they sent me the Lessons track, 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.520 which got to think at that point, I'm not even 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.520 it's not on my radar to make another album. 0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:55.400 I just did hear from here. 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:57.880 I'm not even like, Okay, I'm kind of good and 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:01.200 we're kind of stealing the whole pandemic. But I knew 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.680 the record was like this is a special track, this 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:09.400 one is killing, And immediately immediately I was, yo, can't 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.520 have it, Like we write a check for it. Whatever, like, 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.760 what's up with this track? And he was like, yo, 0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.560 my bad. I did send it out just all transparency. 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:19.600 I sent it out to like another artist first, can 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:21.360 we like just wait and see what they say first? 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.200 Since I just sent it them first, I didn't respect them. 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:26.440 I'm like, no problem, let's listen. No problem. And then 0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:29.200 about three days later they said, we haven't heard back 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.320 from them. So if you if you still want it, 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.400 shoot your shy on. Most definitely still want it. And 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:37.880 I'm going down the studio right now, like I'm going 0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:41.280 down and like before it to remove all that all doubt. 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.680 And what happened was what's interesting though, was when I 0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.040 went down there. Now it's like two o'clock in the 0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:51.640 morning of my anniversary, right and I think if I 0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:53.880 wrote the track, if I wrote to the track the 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:55.200 first day they gave it to me, I don't wrote 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:55.800 a different song. 0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.400 But I think when I went down there. 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.200 You know, it's my anniverse. 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.080 Okay man, it's still in this pandemic. 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.840 You know, lost a few friends and y'all me and 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.080 with kids every healthy parents, I was, you know, just 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.200 started thinking just that while I'm just loading everything up. 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:12.800 It was I was just kind of thinking. You know, 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:15.760 for me, I'm one who wants to figure out who 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:17.520 do I want to be in a song and try 0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:19.560 to define that person as much as possible and then 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:22.560 just hit record. That's how like if I if I 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.360 cut out all things, I don't have to say, there's 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:26.160 only things left is this, and then just make it 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.640 rhyme and that's gonna be a song. And that was it, 0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.800 and it just happened. I like, I had a camera 0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.080 set up for some thing I did the day before 0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.959 in the room and I was like, let's turn this 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.560 on and let us hit record. 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.000 God, that's a funny way showing. 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.160 And it was like after that was like and that 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.560 was really like, let's transfer this my phone, post it, 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:50.880 go to bed, and just go to bed. 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:52.480 I wasn't even like thinking nothing of. 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:57.160 It at all and walk up to like just what 0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:57.959 is going? 0:32:58.400 --> 0:33:00.040 What are you doing? What is this? 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:00.880 This is great? 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.800 You know, and it was like, Okay, let's uh, I 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:04.800 might want to finish this. 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.480 You might want to finish this up. I want to 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:08.400 be this one done. 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.040 And I probably went I probably went, honestly, and I 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.120 probably never said this before. I probably went to bed 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:15.640 kind of hesitant to post it because I was like, 0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:18.880 I didn't look at the beautiful beauty of like how 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.360 transparent it was and how many people could relate to it. 0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:23.440 I almost was worried a little bit that it was 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.520 kind of like a jab and like all the ex girlfriends, 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:28.520 which I didn't want it to be everyone who let 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:30.640 me down led me to you. But it is true. 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.160 I mean, guess what, every failed record deal, every everything 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.600 that happened in my life had to have happened for 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.000 me to have the kids here, you know what I mean. 0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.840 It wasn't really like a you know, guess what. I 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:43.280 had to do that for you for you to be 0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.680 where you at too. And uh but I kind of 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.200 I think that was my last thought of the night. 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:51.520 Was kind of like tomorrow changed that line because that 0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:55.440 was a little a little heavy, you know. 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:57.320 But then when I woke up the next day and 0:33:57.360 --> 0:34:01.480 I was like, this is my song and I was like, yeah, 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:08.240 we're not changing that line. Had to eat that one. 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:10.319 Ben you. 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:11.840 We was laughing about this the other day on the 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:15.280 phone with Jared from Any Innovader. 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:17.520 He described us. 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.799 He was like, yeah, working with y'all man, he was like, Arrow, 0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:22.960 he's a show pony, but. 0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:23.759 You a racehorse. 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:29.000 I was like, dude, that is so fucking I was like, 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.959 our dynamic, that's that's our dynamic. That is out that 0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:35.799 like arrow, Like he's gonna show up, he's gonna be 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.799 dressed to the fucking nines, Like he's gonna have the 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:41.080 hat like you know, just you know, And that was 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.000 the thing I will say. I know, just I picked 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:44.680 up from you just kind of you know, going out 0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:47.799 on tour and just watching you. You know, everywhere you go, 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.239 you always look like Eric Robson. You know what I'm saying, 0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.239 Always like dressed to the nines is always if if 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:56.640 we damn Chick fil A, you know what I'm saying, 0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.520 a chow can breakout, I'm gonna be ready to give 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.160 a show. And you know, and that was just something 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:03.000 that was always you with me. I'm just like, look, 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.200 I'm showing up. The day of the race. Showed me 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.759 who ass I'm beating. I'm running my race. I'm beating 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:09.640 your niggas ass, and I'm going home. I'm not staying 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.839 after for autographs. I don't want to talk about the race, 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:15.000 like I don't want to. I did my job, you 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:15.399 know what I mean. 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.719 You know what's funny even talking about that our shows. 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.800 You're actually right, I got a hat on a suit, 0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:24.880 a blazer at least or something like that, and you 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:26.600 have on a black hoodie and it worked. 0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.520 It worked. It wasn't like, well, why he got a 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:30.560 suit on one? He got a hook? 0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:34.560 It actually no when you see the pictures, it works, 0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.440 I guess. But it's like that, that might be that, 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:41.959 that might be. The next album is like the race course. 0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:43.120 That's all I do. 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:44.960 Take a fist. I gotta be a bag on pony, 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:45.680 you know what I'm. 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:49.880 Saying, Hey, what's on shared? Right? Right? Why can't I 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:52.560 be a thoroughbred? Respect on my name? 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:56.520 I need to be I'll be it. 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.680 But but but once again you're talking about too you 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:03.399 know three because Anakin Evader is actually a three three group, 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:08.359 absolutely solid brothers man, solid solid brothers, life changing man. 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.719 Once again, you know, we can go on here and 0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:13.520 talk about so many amazing people we talk about and 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:15.399 we're gonna miss so many names. And I apologize because 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.120 I work with so many great people. But definitely, you know, 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:22.040 meeting those guys, it has, it's definitely made me. 0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.239 Better, you know what I mean, Definitely made me back 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:27.399 wise and I really do. Yeah. 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.040 Lastly, man, I wanted to just touch on because this 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.520 is something that me and you we talk about, you know, 0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:34.799 from time to time, but just like you know, just 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.680 for our listeners, just man, I just want to talk 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.680 about just you know, how you balance just like I mean, 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:42.839 you have three boys, you know what I'm saying. 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:44.040 I mean I have two boys, My boys. 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:45.719 I mean they're you know older now my boys are 0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.840 twenty one and sixteen, so yeah, they but but you 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.440 have like, you know, young kids, and uh, I. 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.080 Just wanted to, you know, talk to me about like how. 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.080 Do you you know, balance you know, being in business 0:36:56.080 --> 0:37:00.960 for yourself and you know, being a husband, being good 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.799 a father and and not just being a husband father 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.960 and just like I just pay for shit and you know, 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:09.280 go to my the basement, but you know, actually being present, 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.200 you know in you know, being present for your family 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:12.960 in that way. 0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:15.319 How do you manage that? 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:17.080 You know? 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:20.200 First, you know, it's funny, my whole theory on balance 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.160 is different, right, Like the fact there's like I don't 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.440 there is no balance right. 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.239 Right, It's like how do you balance it? Right? For me? 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.280 We talk about the word process, right, so I practice 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:35.080 this thing called process over product. Like everything is, it 0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.640 is connected to the process, this very conversation we have 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.319 right now. I can't worry about how many listeners will have, 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.520 or how in tune would people be, or was it 0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.120 a great interview or whatever. I could just be that, 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.280 you know, I'm talking to my brother, and how connected 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:50.160 can I be in this conversation. The same way as songwriting, 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:53.680 you know, it's probably strengthened through songwriters, strengthened through music. 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:54.960 Every time I sit down to write a song, I 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.680 can't think about the last song. I can't think about 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:58.719 the successes or the failures. I can only think about 0:37:58.719 --> 0:37:59.239 what I'm doing. 0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.799 Yo, Bro, that's so crazy you say that. That's the 0:38:01.880 --> 0:38:04.000 same thing. Like I take that. It was like a 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.399 my football coach in high school. He was like, you know, look, 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.400 you gotta have a bad memory. Like talk about quarterbacks. 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:11.320 He was like, quarterback, you gotta have a bad memory 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:12.960 to be a quarterback. You know what I'm saying. If 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:16.879 you can't think about if you fumbled on second down, hey, 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:18.120 look bro, that shit over it. 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.080 You know you got another down. 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.000 But you also can't think about the touchdown. You can't, right, 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.000 you can't think these of it. You got to think 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:27.279 about the play you're doing and just put all the 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:29.120 confidence that it will work out, whether it will or 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:30.880 will not, that's product, right. 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:32.080 Because that's the only play you got. 0:38:32.239 --> 0:38:34.520 It's only play you got this very second, right now, 0:38:34.560 --> 0:38:36.400 this minute we talking right now, this is this is 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:39.440 the only minute right The next MANU ain't guaranteed in 0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.920 any forum fashion. So why not just trust this minute 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.920 that we in right now, right like, enjoy the sixty seconds. 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:48.520 So for me, now, process over product transfers to different 0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:50.680 things that how do I practice process or a product 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.920 with my marriage? How do I practice processing product over 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:57.440 product in my as a parent? Who are friendships or whatever? 0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:00.680 So guess what I mean, really what I tour schedule, 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:02.920 with our teaching schedule, with our studio schedule, with all 0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:05.480 that stuff like that. I mean I respectfully to say 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:08.560 that there's not enough time to be the best friend 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:11.960 to every friend. I have to really be the best father, debate, 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:13.960 best husband. I'm gonna try my best to be that. 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.840 What it is is really how connected can I be 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:18.480 with you in the time that we have? 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:19.799 Right? 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.280 So if I only have an hour in the studio, 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:24.640 can I get lost in the studio for fifty nine minutes. 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.680 I can't walk in the studio going damn money, got 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:30.919 an hour time. It's like, no, I'm gonna kill this hour. 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.200 I got in here and the same same thing as 0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.680 I go upstairs, and I know I'm leaving on Friday, 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:37.400 but you know, I can play with the kids all 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.960 day day. Let's just get lost, Like how much can 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:41.880 I can't worry if you're gonna be a doctor or 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:43.040 this and that, this and that. 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.280 What's crazy? Literally from this podcast. 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:49.320 Just before I came here to do this podcast, my 0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.560 kids are on spring break, and I was like, man, today, 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.200 today's busy, right, and it Wednesday's busy, and this is 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.440 I looked at the schedule. So yesterday, like I was 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:00.759 just telling my wife, I said, I'm just taking the kids. 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:04.040 We going to Pokonos. So I just grabbed them, throwing 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:06.560 the car. We just balled out for like twenty four hours. 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.319 Just went to a water park and just kids. Stayed 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.279 up till like four o'clock in the morning, got up, 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.960 got went back in the water, literally got out the water, 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.120 put clothes on, and drove back here just to get 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.640 on this microphone and talk talk with you. And it's 0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:21.400 like Yo, guess well, we only had twenty four hours, 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.000 but guess what, we just gonna ball out for twenty 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:26.560 four hours. And that's balance is how much can you 0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:28.120 be in tune with what time you have? 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:29.240 Right? 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:33.560 So yeah, no, I know I completely relate to that. 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.440 I kind of look at it like, you know, to 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.719 your point, when people think of balance, they think of 0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:42.359 just like, oh, I have the exact amount of time 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:43.680 to do this and the exact amount. 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:44.719 To me. 0:40:45.200 --> 0:40:47.319 In my career, balance has always kind of been more 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:52.040 so an oscillation between two extremes, right, So, like when 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.799 I'm locked in the studio, like like when we was Tickilero, right, 0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:56.319 it's like, Okay, I'm locked in. 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.480 I just have to It's the. 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:02.680 Word that just my mind always is just surrender, Like yeah, 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:04.719 I just have to just surrender. It's like, bro, this 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.560 is not gonna make no sense. I'm about to be 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:10.120 up for like you know, thirty six hours. I'm about 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:11.880 to like my sleep sched's about to be shit. I'm 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:14.120 about to eat like shit for like a month, Like 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.319 you just know. It's just like there's no run, Like 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.400 if you try to make sense of this shit, you're lost. 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.720 So you just got to give in. But then once 0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:23.839 the record is done, and once the work is done, 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.080 now for the next you know, month, for the next 0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:30.040 two months, I'm just playing PS five and that's it, 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.440 you know what I mean. So you kind of have 0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.640 those you know, those kind of two extremes, And that 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.279 has been the closest I've been able, you know, to 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:40.719 get to balance. You know, that makes you know, the 0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:43.160 most sense for my life. But I've always been curious 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:44.719 as to how you you manage it with all the 0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:45.520 things you have going on. 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.879 What I'll tell you is that music, and I say 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.520 art in general, is the most selfish thing I've ever 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.880 seen in my life. Music wants everything out of you. 0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:58.320 It wants to brother everything, It wants all your time 0:41:58.520 --> 0:41:59.600 in a moment that like. 0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:01.960 And it will test you in every way. 0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:07.520 Guess what the biggest, the biggest show offer you're gonna 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:11.040 have every year is your kids on kid's birthday, the 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:13.319 biggest you know, the promoter's gonna call you with that 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:14.719 bag of bags. 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:15.960 It's gonna be your. 0:42:15.960 --> 0:42:19.480 Kid's birthday, on your anniversary or some like the first three, right, 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.360 you know, it's like, you know, our wives already accept 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:24.719 Valentine's Day, Go get that money, go get that right, 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:25.160 right right? 0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.680 But like why does the show always have to land 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:29.960 on their birthday? Right? 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.759 Or Christmas Eve, New Year's like any of the. 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:36.600 Yeah, it's like, but that's the take. Are you gonna 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:37.919 take it? Are you gonna take the show? 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:38.839 You? You know what I mean? 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.520 And it's like, but that's that's this that's this craft 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.320 and it and like as soon as I'm supposed to 0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.880 turn the equipment off and go upstairs and kind of 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.160 check in, here's the next idea pops in your head, 0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.239 You're like, oh my god, that's a crazy idea, and 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:51.160 then you turn it equipment. 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:53.239 So it's like it is the most but you know. 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.040 Because it's elusive, like I think like when you you know, 0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.520 when you say like because I bro I feel you 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:00.880 like when you bought to go to bed. And you know, 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.000 Quincy Jones is like he thought we had him on 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:05.200 the show like years ago, and he was talking about 0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.879 just kind of that alpha state, you know he calls 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:10.319 the alpha state when your mind is just you know, 0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.560 it's three four in the morning and you're not thinking, 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.040 you're just doing, you're just existing. 0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:17.480 And so it's like you. 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:19.520 Know that four in the morning where you have that time, 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.200 and it's like, man, I really know. I know I 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:24.040 got to get up and be in the car pool 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:25.160 line in three hours. 0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.640 But if I go to sleep, I could lose this. 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:30.840 Moment and I'll never be able to recapture it, you 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.960 know what I'm saying. And it's just it's that elusive 0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.520 thing that you're chasing, and so when you catch it, 0:43:36.520 --> 0:43:39.839 it's just like, yeah, it's like catching a fucking shooting star. 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:41.319 You're like, man, I just got to hold onto this, 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:42.719 you know what I mean, and keep some of this 0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:43.640 magic for myself. 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.360 So I'm gonna tell you what's interesting. This is what 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:49.319 I like, I said, my whole few on creativity is 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:56.440 different now and I'm one now where I can I 0:43:56.440 --> 0:43:59.719 can turn the equipment off in that moment, right, And 0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:02.880 it's more because I'm at the realization now and I 0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:04.680 feel like truth be told. And I say this before 0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.480 we say this statement, I feel like my pen is 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:08.880 stronger than ever right now, right, I feel like that 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:14.520 it's our connection whatever. But creativity is often some we 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:18.480 treated like a best friend we don't deserve, right, So 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:20.359 in a moment where we should turn the equipment off 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.960 and go upstairs, it's like when it shows up, we're like, 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:24.000 oh my god, you showed up. 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:28.000 Help my wife, help my kids, right right right, Creativity, 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.040 come come on in, come on in, have see have 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.000 a see what you gotta tell me, you know. And 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:33.719 that's how it was. 0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:36.760 Like I was probably that way for like the seventy 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:38.879 five percent of my life, Like I would, I would 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:40.880 leave the Christmas table, I would leave the middle of 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:46.759 making love. Wow, idea pops in like you know, softest Lips. 0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:49.560 I can say now like softest Lips happened, like the song, 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.160 the idea of the song happened while kissing somebody and 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:55.040 I stopped. I remember, like I stopped doing what I 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:56.759 was doing to write the song. 0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:59.919 You know, and it's never been devoted there gro. 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:05.480 Look coming you have wants to be that devoted, you know. 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:08.840 But but what happens is like yo, but we have 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.120 to realize that creativity needs us just like it needs 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.160 we need it. And like Quincy Jones was so worried 0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:17.640 over what was it? Was it Michael Jackson, Prince said 0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.279 he couldn't leave the creativity alone because he was worried 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.880 they would go visit Michael Jackson, Right, So yeah, but 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:27.799 I'm I'm I'm satisfied with now telling creativity. 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.040 I'm busy right now. Can you come back? 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.480 That sounds crazy, That sounds crazy, but it's almost the 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:35.680 same thing of like if. 0:45:35.560 --> 0:45:37.680 You confidence, it sounds it sounds like confidence, but. 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:40.640 It's confidence, it's trust. Right. So it's like, I'll give 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:41.480 you the anledgy of this. 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.359 If you called me and I was like, let's say 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:46.719 I'm in the middle of just like a super game 0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:48.839 with my kids right now, and you called me, was like, Yo, 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:50.279 I need to rap with your minute. I was like, Yo, 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.080 all right, hold up, I'm give me two seconds. I'm 0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.200 in this crazy battle with my kids and this that 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.120 we having fun whatever whatever, or we are the pool. 0:45:57.200 --> 0:46:00.399 Let's say we're the pool. Give a couple hours. I'm 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:01.759 gonna call you back, you know what I mean? 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:02.360 Like cool? 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:02.760 Cool? 0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:04.560 And then we come in the pool or whatever whatever, 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.279 And I call you back three hours later and I'm like, Yo, 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:07.799 so what's up? 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:09.960 And You're like, man, I can't even remb what I 0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:13.799 was what I was calling you about, right, But I 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.080 was like, oh, that's cool. What's you up to now? 0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.560 First of all, just knowing you and we friends and 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:21.359 we have talked we've chopped it up, We've had deep, 0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:25.120 deep conversations because of who we are for each other, 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:28.480 that next conversation might not be what you initially called it. 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:34.040 It's gonna be great to the problem is we go 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.359 into it like the quarterbacks still thinking about the last 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:37.560 touchdown or last interception. 0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.000 So I'm so worried about, like, can you remember what 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:42.839 you was gonna tell me? I can't lose it, lose it. 0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:45.799 That we not being natural, We're not treating creativity like 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:47.360 it really it just wants to be invited. 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:49.239 It just want to kick it, you know what I mean. 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.640 So it's like, allow creativity to show up and be 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:55.879 what it's gonna be, and guess what. Sometimes it's gonna 0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.560 we already know. Listen, Sometimes it's gonna be great. Sometimes 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.000 it's not. How many times that we've written a song 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:02.600 and thought it was this is the one. I'm buying 0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:06.960 my Bentley, I'm paying my mama house there, and it's 0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:11.200 straight crickets right off, the most fire thing you thought 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:11.959 you ever did. 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.480 And it's straight crickets. And it hiss this. 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:18.239 Wondering on your phone, You put on your phone and 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:19.680 wake up the next morning, and that. 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.880 She was a nothing of it, and now that this 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:23.319 is the joint that now you got a toil for 0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:25.440 two years. You can't never get off stage without saying 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.239 you know what I'm saying. So, so why are we 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:30.040 prejudging creativity at the end of day, when it shows 0:47:30.120 --> 0:47:32.600 up and you have time for it, then treat it 0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:34.640 treated like it's supposed to be. And if you don't, 0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.480 then then put the time in other in other areas. 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:40.560 And and going back to even the balance thing, my 0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:44.920 wife has to feel seen sometimes more than music. She 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:48.040 has to feel like I chose music over sometimes my 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.200 kids as well. My kids have have literally been raised 0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:54.080 watching me in the studio and sometimes they have to 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.680 see me turn the equipment off for them, you know 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.359 what I mean. They have to they have to see that. 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.040 So oh, you have to be there, and I have 0:48:02.080 --> 0:48:05.160 to trust that. Like I feel like my music's gotten 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:07.560 better the more I've been like, nah, let me live, 0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:09.120 oh man. 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:10.480 Cause you got if you don't live, ain't gonna have 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:12.799 shit to write about. Like what am I gonna sing about? 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:13.120 Yeah? 0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:14.719 And it was you know, and for me it was 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:17.680 you know, with your boys. You know, your boys are 0:48:17.680 --> 0:48:20.160 really young. You know what I'm saying. And for me, 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:21.880 you know, my boy I had you know, kids like 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.120 super young, and so it kind of worked out in 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.320 a good way because when I was when they were young, 0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:30.520 and you know, they you know, they really just. 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.160 Wanted to be around their mama all the time. 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:34.200 So I was touring this stuff, you know what I mean, 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:36.920 I was out really getting it. But then by the 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.799 time they got the teenageers, that was when you know, 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:42.880 I kind of transitioned into fie, like we start our label, 0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.759 so I could actually be around for those years with 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.080 like they really it's like, okay, no, we need dad, 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:50.799 like you know, it's you know what I'm saying. So 0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:52.879 it kind of worked out for me in that way, 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:56.279 and I was thankful to have that. But but nah, man, 0:48:56.400 --> 0:49:00.080 that is uh, that is really sage advice. I the 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.440 equipment for me. What has been my life savor like 0:49:03.440 --> 0:49:06.080 that has saved me, you know, from stand up to 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:09.080 the crack of dawn has been just having voice notes 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:14.120 like I have I have a I have Emancipation triple 0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:18.000 disc albums on my voice note because I just have 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:19.520 to just get it down. And if I can just 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.200 get that down, I would know to come back to it. 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:23.920 But I have to have just some kind of bookmark 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:25.640 and then I can cut the equipment off. 0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:29.879 But my you know, our voice notes if we dare shit, 0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:32.200 it's probably my biggest pro possession as well as just 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:34.400 the note to my phone. Well, I'll tell you I 0:49:34.400 --> 0:49:37.080 don't write in the studio, but I'm always writing. I'm 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:41.120 always writing, always staying staying in shape because I think, 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:43.759 really we're just trying to find an inspiration, like we 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:46.280 know how to write songs. So now I'm just constantly 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:49.360 collecting things that take my breath away. Somebody says a statement, 0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:51.719 I go, oh my god, that's that's crazy, right, I'll 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:54.319 just documented someone see something and like how do I 0:49:54.360 --> 0:49:57.279 transfer that into words? So I mean, yeah, it's like 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.160 it's endless. It's endless just collections and some of what 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.759 I use and pull from it whatever. But yeah, we 0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:05.439 are constantly We're constantly with the collect But that does help, 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:07.720 like the fact that we can document a moment. 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:10.359 But then for me, like when I go in. 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:13.239 The studio, it's like, how, like I said, locked in, 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.440 can I be you know, and the trust the product 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.320 will work out, like you know, trust the product that 0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:22.040 it will take care of if I stay focused on 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:22.680 the process. 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:24.920 The product will work itself out. 0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:25.879 I love it. Man. 0:50:26.239 --> 0:50:29.000 Well listen ero bro man, this has been, you know, 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:32.160 a long time coming. I guess the conversation we need 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:34.040 to have. I didn't think we'd be having it in 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:38.600 front of thousands of strangers on the fucking internet. But 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.560 but nonetheless, but U but nah, seriously, man, I just 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.200 you know, I've told you this, you know, time and 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:45.719 time again, but I just really just want to just 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.759 thank you, you know what I mean for just really uh, 0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:51.320 just showing up in my life and in my career 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:55.800 in a way that really, you know, for me, just 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.160 showed me the importance of mentorship, you know what I mean, 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:02.160 And you know, you really just everything from the business 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.440 to like the show presentation, because I mean I was like, 0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:08.319 I'm straight rapped, dude, So going into R and B, 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:11.279 I had no fucking clue what that well, I'm like, yo, 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:12.759 what what is that? 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:13.160 You know? 0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:17.279 And you definitely were a huge you know, mentor and 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.279 model and just you know, big homie and the whole 0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:22.960 nine man. And you know, my my career would not 0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:25.920 be where it was where it is, you know, without 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:28.800 just your influence and just your God, it's just taking 0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:31.320 time just to holler at me whenever I had questions 0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:34.040 and just put me up on game. So, nah man, 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:36.080 this conversation was a dream come true, brother, and I 0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:37.840 just wanted, you know the world to hit this, you know, 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:40.200 and just to hear your journey and you know, really 0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:42.600 just you know, give you that respect. Man, twenty one 0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.399 years doing this shit independently. Bro, Hey, this ship will 0:51:45.440 --> 0:51:47.440 break big niggas with muscles. 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.520 This shit ain't sweet, bro. So, nah man, I just 0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:54.239 want to just give you a flowers, just thank you. 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:55.839 I love you. Man. Man. 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:57.800 You know, it's been on a pleasure. 0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:00.520 It's been on a pleasure to watch your dream consistently 0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:01.240 come true. 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:01.880 You know what I mean. 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:03.520 I think one of the pleasures that I've had is 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:05.759 watch a lot of people's dreams come true. And you 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:09.040 not only being one of the most prolific people I know, 0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.120 one of the greatest voices I know, so the voice 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:14.359 being utilized in so many the ways. I can't tell 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:17.600 you how proud I was just just when you joined, 0:52:17.600 --> 0:52:19.440 when this quest love Supreme and you were on it, 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.200 I was like, yo, this first of you also are 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:24.279 the most knowledgeable. I always say this, you don't hear 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.040 this for the first time. I've never ever told you 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.080 of a record or a producer or a. 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:33.600 Song that you did not more than not one time 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:34.239 have I ever? 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:34.560 Yo? 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:35.520 It was one Yo. 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.239 It was one time you got me, and it was 0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:39.239 a big one too. It was the night we went, 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:41.000 the night we did been in love. 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:41.680 Bro. 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:43.200 I don't even know if I told you this. You 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.200 were the first person to put me on to Todd Rungnger. 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:50.200 Wow, wow, Like he. 0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:53.200 Was one of those artists. I always saw his name 0:52:53.320 --> 0:52:55.279 and like I would see him. I knew who is 0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:58.359 associated with, but I didn't really know. And so then 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.400 I think you played me. I saw the life and 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.640 I was like, oh my god, that's Todd Runger, Like 0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:03.960 I've been hearing that song forever. 0:53:04.360 --> 0:53:05.920 Why you put me on? 0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:08.440 Like the all we ran through to something anything album. 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:09.680 That's one time. 0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:15.279 One, like the entire I was like this joint from 0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:19.319 nineteen seventy two, b side this record, like, oh, that's 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:20.960 such and such and that's why they ain't playing tellow 0:53:20.960 --> 0:53:23.480 on it. No, that's killing I'm like, oh my god, 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:25.759 here's this new indie artist. I'm at the Bay Area 0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:29.000 killing it. They selling independent records in the flea market. 0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:30.680 Oh yeah, that's such and such and such. Yeah I 0:53:30.680 --> 0:53:31.200 got that record. 0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.840 I won't we link you up? How do you know? 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:37.120 All of this stuff is really mind blowing. Man. 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:39.239 I'm gonna just say this, and I gotta say you know, 0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:41.400 first of all, you know you my brother, and I 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:42.759 love you, love you, love it. 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:43.200 Man. 0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:46.160 You're so true to your art. You're so true to 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:48.640 your craft, to your friendship and to who the person 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:53.319 who you are. You know what's so funny. You are 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:57.160 the first person like to curse in front of my 0:53:57.320 --> 0:53:59.719 mom and she didn't even like hesitate. 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:01.400 What like yo? 0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:05.319 You know, listen, you know you are a cursor, right, 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.040 it is, it is, It is fine, it's. 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:12.200 So you. And like you know, at that time, my 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.279 studio was in my parents' house, right, so we did 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.440 my parents and just even with my dad. It wasn't like, oh, 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:19.920 this is how he talked to me, and then this 0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.040 is how he talks to my mom and dad. It's like, no, 0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:25.200 this is how he talks and whoever the around want 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:29.719 to accept this and love him. And my parents loved you. 0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:31.600 It was like who this guy you brought in the 0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.399 house to this party? They were like, no, we love 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:37.320 Fonte bring him as many times he wants. But it 0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:39.880 was like it was I remember watching like the Dynamic 0:54:40.000 --> 0:54:42.200 you talk into like my parents, and it was still 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:45.279 the same way. It was like the MFS and where 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:49.640 and I was like, yeah, that's how he really he 0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:52.040 really fired off. But it was but guess what it 0:54:52.160 --> 0:54:54.840 was like genuine is love and it's like a genuineness 0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.920 behind it. It ain't like some shock value whatever, Like, Yo, 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.400 you're just a true brother, you like for real, like 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.000 for real, for real, anyone who knows you know you're 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.080 just a true brother. And it's like just mad, I 0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.520 got mad respect for you. You already know, like like 0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.959 anytime you call, like y'all need you to break dance 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:16.040 in this video or like this melody this joint on 0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:18.239 his like just singing the background vocals on the joint. 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:20.319 You know, I'm like, all right, let's let's do it man. 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:23.160 You know likewise too, and everybody has a TICKULARI to that, 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.640 like when y'all doing it, get like we're gonna do 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:26.240 it again. 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:29.680 I'm I'm definitely I would certainly love to do another week. 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:31.560 You know, it's just hopefully we can do it at 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:34.600 a time where like people ain't dying and you having kids, 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:37.160 and like you know, we have more order in our 0:55:37.200 --> 0:55:38.160 life this time around. 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:41.640 You know what I'm saying right right, I'm looking forward 0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:43.160 to it, but I just need to let you know, man, 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:44.840 I appreciate you having me on and I love you 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:46.520 brother and look forward to doing more with you. 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:47.840 Love you too, bro. 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:52.439 For real, man, well listen on behalf of Unpaid Bill Shit, 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:56.560 Steve a Mere, Oscar winning a mere, my work wife 0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.640 like Iah, this has been quest Love spring. I'm not 0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:05.640 quest Love, I'm Fontelo. But no, man, thank y'all so 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:07.440 much for tuning in. We'll catch y' all on the 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:09.640 next go around. Tap In with Eric Robinson is the 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.680 album Lessons out right now on our platforms. Go get it, 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:15.200 and yeah, we'll catch y'all on next one. 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:30.719 How Much Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. For 0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.919 more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 0:56:34.160 --> 0:56:37.200 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.