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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: What's Up? What's Up? What's up? Y'all?

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Speaker 3: This is Questlove. Welcome to another Quest Love Supreme. As

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Speaker 3: you know, we're doing these special episodes of which each

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Speaker 3: team supremember in abuse of person their passionate album Sugar.

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Speaker 4: Steve sort of kicked it off with a two part incredible.

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Speaker 3: Two part conversation with one of his musical heroes, Elvis Costello,

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Speaker 3: that we did at Electrically Studios, and Corus Fonte again

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Speaker 3: his special solo session with singer songwriter Eric Roperson and

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Speaker 3: these men are friends. They made an album together and

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Speaker 3: it's an excellent look into the lives of two artists.

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Speaker 3: And if you haven't heard part one, please check it

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Speaker 3: out because this is part two from Fonte and Eric

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Speaker 3: to Hilario only on Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 4: All right, y'all enjoy it.

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Speaker 5: What was the record for you that as an independent artist,

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Speaker 5: you know, because you have you have your moments, so

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Speaker 5: you have some records that like will go all all

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Speaker 5: the way off, and then you had some to.

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Speaker 2: Just be like, all right, this did cool.

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Speaker 5: What was the record for you that like kind of

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Speaker 5: was the one where you was like Okay, I think

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Speaker 5: I got it because I can tell you what it

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Speaker 5: was for me as a fan, but I don't know

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Speaker 5: what it was like for you on the business side.

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Speaker 4: For me, it was Left.

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Speaker 5: And I ain't even saying that just because I was

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Speaker 5: on it, but like Left, I mean, I got Vault

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Speaker 5: one point five. That was the first record I ever

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Speaker 5: bought of yours. I actually got that one before I

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Speaker 5: got Esoteric. I was in I was in Chicago. We

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Speaker 5: was on a Little Brother We was on a Little

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Speaker 5: Brother tour stop and we went to it was that

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Speaker 5: Virgin Mega store that used to be uh in Chicago,

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Speaker 5: like that that big Virgin Mega store, and I just

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Speaker 5: saw you.

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Speaker 4: I just saw your joint, Eric Robson, and I knew

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Speaker 4: you from.

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Speaker 5: The Jazzy Jeff album and so I was like, I

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Speaker 5: was like, oh, he got an I was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: I caught this, and I bought that and I played

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Speaker 5: you know the first record you know is you know

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Speaker 5: was just like, oh my god, and like I ran

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Speaker 5: that whole record. That record got me through that tour,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. And so that was the

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Speaker 5: first one and then when I saw that one and

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Speaker 5: I saw it was produced by Redhead Kingpin, I was like, what, like,

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Speaker 5: how did that come about?

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Speaker 6: Months first, Red had one of the most talented producers, visionaries.

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Speaker 6: I've ever even been in a room with Right and

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Speaker 6: I'm honest that they even allowed me to do that

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Speaker 6: song with him, But I would tell you couldn't hear

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Speaker 6: me all the music was probably the song that probably

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Speaker 6: like changed everything, and then from there it was able

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Speaker 6: to grow Right So here everyone's like Eric, that's Eric

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Speaker 6: was in a songwriter and truth be Told Even before that,

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Speaker 6: like when I was doing songs off fatic and off

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Speaker 6: of like when I was doing the Vault album, a

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Speaker 6: lot of the times played when I played the songs,

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Speaker 6: when people heard the songs, they were like, can we

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Speaker 6: buy them? So that was so the left the Vault

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Speaker 6: was was a heavy draw the line in the saying

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Speaker 6: I'm not selling these songs like it was like you know,

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Speaker 6: and and truth be Told off.

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Speaker 2: So it's Vault Volume one point five. Why is it that?

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Speaker 6: Because Volume one had hold On, which eventually went to

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Speaker 5: Yo, yeah, I want to ask you to yeah, like

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Speaker 5: so that because I love that fucking song. Dwayne Bay,

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Speaker 5: what's the what's the deal with him?

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Speaker 2: Like, how did you guys know what the college together? Man?

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Speaker 2: We met.

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Speaker 6: I was walking into the Drew Hall at Howard University

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Speaker 6: freshman year with a keyboard under my arm. He was like, Yo,

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Speaker 6: you do music, and I was like, yeah, I do too,

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Speaker 2: Like my room was never empty. People would just work

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Speaker 6: And guess what, it is an honor that there's still

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Speaker 6: eventually had to be changed because, yeah, I was heavy

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Speaker 6: in the songwriter Carl Thomas I wrote Reround was on Rebound,

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Speaker 6: so it was like, okay, let's change this up one

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Speaker 6: point five and then from this point on like this,

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Speaker 6: this is this is it Now I'm not selling anything.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna hear no problems, no whatever whatever.

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Speaker 6: I think Volume one had one time with with Jill

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Speaker 4: Was previous was previous catch? Was that on the vault?

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Speaker 6: No, previous cats was I never I had never released it,

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Speaker 6: previous catch I had just played for I wrote it

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Speaker 6: just a demo of it, and interesting enough before he

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Speaker 6: want that for my second album. I was like, like, what,

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Speaker 6: you ain't even sign on your first album yet, Like

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Speaker 6: he gets signed. It was like, yeah that previous catch, No, no,

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Speaker 6: that's my second album, all right, cool man, shoot your shot.

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Speaker 2: He puts the album out.

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Speaker 6: Of course he comes music soulcha and then and then

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Speaker 6: sure enough he called me like, hey, I'm started my

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Speaker 6: second album. You still got that previous cat song. I

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Speaker 6: was like Yo, you different, man, you different. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: we recorded, but I don't know why I never put

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Speaker 6: lot of records. He's on that, he's on that Vault album.

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Speaker 6: But for some reason, uh, I think you know what

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Speaker 6: and I think that's the song right in me. Like

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Speaker 6: once music said I liked the song even if I

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Speaker 2: For music now.

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Speaker 6: I like, probably I've never even considered it for myself,

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Speaker 4: Or no, it's funny you say that. I'm the exact

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Speaker 5: Like for me if someone is speaking for it, like

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Speaker 5: and we're just city. It's whenever you're ready for it,

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Speaker 5: because we can always make something else. So the Vault

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Speaker 5: one point five that was you know, you say that

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Speaker 4: Then left for me, that was the moment.

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Speaker 5: When I saw because you know, I was, I mean,

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Speaker 5: that night when you came to Jersey we went to

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Speaker 5: kicking it one of the homies. Like I was not aware.

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Speaker 5: I mean I knew your catalog, I knew like you're

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Speaker 4: Like, yo, you I heard you on Arrow Eric Rob

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Speaker 5: Like, oh like this dude, like oh wow, Like he

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: That was that was just that was from my experience.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was.

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Speaker 4: It really put a lot of eyes on me that

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Speaker 4: I did not expect at all.

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Speaker 2: Well probably vice versa.

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, our relationship just in general, every

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Speaker 6: that was great idea, it did, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 6: Right after that we did music fan first, and we

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Speaker 5: So we and must we have to know because all

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Speaker 5: the same Grammy to Indian.

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Speaker 6: Right, thank you for submitting your song and uh beating

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Speaker 2: You know. I just remember being a struggling artist and

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Speaker 5: Man, listen, I remember I remember us having that conversation

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like that's I mean, that's it.

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Speaker 5: You know, whatever you get on top of that is gravy,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. But I remember, I certainly

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Speaker 5: want to specifically ask a boy that one you did

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but your record with the just imagine

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Speaker 4: I was so mad when I heard that. I was like,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, please talk about Paris and Amberg. Man.

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Speaker 5: I just love them to death. And you know we've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we know.

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Speaker 6: I want to make sure I say it on this

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Speaker 6: especially with my students.

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Speaker 6: I teach at Berkeley College of Music in Boston, and

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Speaker 2: So I call her back like, oh my god, who

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Speaker 2: Now we all know Kings as King and.

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Speaker 6: It's an honor that I called her and was like, yo,

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Speaker 2: But I was.

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Speaker 6: I was honored to be like, yo, everybody, this is King,

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Speaker 2: To this young lady.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about who's wearing this hat as a producer

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Speaker 6: she produced it. It was like no, like like and

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Speaker 6: It's like listen, I don't need to write it's fire

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Speaker 2: I was like, this is I want this, you know

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Speaker 6: So uh And that she's still like still one of

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Speaker 4: Oh man, yeah, I man, I love that to death.

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Speaker 5: Like I was so happy to see them, like you know,

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Speaker 5: Perfect because I will never forget. At that time, it was,

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Speaker 6: Uh, so we we we got distributed through E one

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Speaker 6: it was like, well, why don't we do this situation

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Speaker 6: It's just once again, my whole thing is like just

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Speaker 6: even with that picture. Purple was a huge record for me.

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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. But it was, like I said,

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Speaker 5: You know, Oh yeah, no, you ain't making it all

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Speaker 6: But yet when you look at like the album Afore

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Speaker 6: it was one of those things where it's like, yo,

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Speaker 2: On your path, you know.

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Speaker 6: And uh, you said something not too long ago on uh,

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Speaker 6: It's the difference between who wins and who loses, you know,

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Speaker 6: my company and now we are celebrating twenty one years now.

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Speaker 4: Right talk that sh bro Yes, yes, and.

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Speaker 6: We're not celebrating it because we've we successfully did everything right,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and the thing, let's be clear up something twenty

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Speaker 5: artists like people have no idea, you know, like when

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Speaker 5: when he was talking about you know, the Christian album

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Speaker 5: I got into the business because I can be you know,

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Speaker 5: hip hop, like I'm sitting right here at my hoodie

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Speaker 5: and in like sweatpants. I can take a selfie right

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Speaker 5: now and be like this is the cover of my

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Speaker 5: like no one will care. But R and B you

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Speaker 5: and to do it for twenty one years, I mean

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Speaker 5: how do you make that work?

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Speaker 6: I think the difference really comes down to is the

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Speaker 6: So the first the first opscole we had the show

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Speaker 6: So immediately think acts hip hop independently or major is

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Speaker 4: Like no, no, you could tell.

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Speaker 5: You could tell, like you could always see that artists

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Speaker 5: the cover looked like fucking clip art.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It sounds like just it's

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Speaker 6: I think I think one thing that I've been very

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Speaker 6: working on my record. We got Rich Harrison, he's working

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Speaker 6: you're dope, whether you're a super producer, Grammy Award, whatever,

440
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,879
Speaker 6: or you just a homie I met in the house

441
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:57,880
Speaker 6: band in Florida.

442
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 2: If you're dope, you're dope.

443
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,000
Speaker 6: I have no no problem with working with whoever right

444
00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 6: and but yet at the same time, it has to

445
00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 6: has to move like that. That whole thing chasing goosebumps

446
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 6: means everything. Like for me, that's the only rule in

447
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 6: the studio. Does it give you goose bumps? But that

448
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 6: same thing with the album covered, the album cover gotta

449
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 6: make you go, oh my god, that's crazy. I wish

450
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 6: I thought of that all. You know, that's crazy.

451
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 5: You know, So the first man speaking of album covers,

452
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 5: I just before we cannot forget. Man, we lost a

453
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 5: mutual friend the past year in a Fave you know

454
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Yeah, Fave is the brother he did

455
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 5: to mister Nice Guy album cover. He podcaster, singer, producer.

456
00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 5: Fave had a hot sauce.

457
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 4: Like Fave, y'all Renaissnce Man. He had a multi company.

458
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 6: Bota company, No dude was It's crazy because you know,

459
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 6: and it was tough. That was tough losing Fave and

460
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 6: we missed him truly. But he's been a graphic designer

461
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 6: for me. And it's crazy because like he did the

462
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 6: Mister Nice Guy album cover.

463
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: Uh, he designed multiple T shirts.

464
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 6: I put out a Christmas card every year, like a

465
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 6: growing Christmas card, animated christ Yeah right.

466
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

467
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 6: And then but then he also produced a music for me.

468
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 6: He's shot photography. I mean, he's he's won so many hats.

469
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 6: He's been a part of my team and as well

470
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 6: as the entire movement. He's won so many hats of

471
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 6: like like I said, whether it's the sauce he was

472
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 6: cooking with with a bow tie company, you know, and

473
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 6: and even that it was like when he made the

474
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 6: bow tie, like that was Demo's laying demo was the

475
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 6: bow tie guy, so out of respect was like, yo,

476
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 6: I'm pass that off the DV. You rock with that,

477
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 6: but the bow ties was killing, Like so he's won

478
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 6: so many, so many hats, and you know this is

479
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 6: this was tough, like you know, uh, I lost a

480
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 6: lot of good friends and during the pandemic that were

481
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 6: very intricate to like what what we do. And Fave

482
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 6: was one of the people. Man, we're like, you know,

483
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 6: this Christmas was this last Christmas was tough because guess

484
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 6: what he was in this Christmas card. And then as

485
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 6: we're going into the album and figuring out how we're

486
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 6: going to make the new T shirts of the graphic,

487
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 6: he's the first call.

488
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 2: You know.

489
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 6: And and and in a big up you know, I

490
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 6: will say this. I make sure I say it because

491
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 6: Jarell was our point person between that like Drell is

492
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 6: always the one who was sitting with Fades and make sure.

493
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: My wife would be happy with how she was drawing

494
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: or whatever this and.

495
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 6: That, you know, and and and he really, you know,

496
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 6: he really he really lost a partner in that way.

497
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: But Fave was a solid dude man, and.

498
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 4: We tried to beautiful brother man, beautiful guy.

499
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 6: Like that was one man, but he was one, but

500
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 6: he was one of the people who you know, up

501
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 6: two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning making slight changes

502
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 6: so that when people see it, they see the effort,

503
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 6: they see the quality. And I think at the end

504
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 6: of the day, it just comes down to that, like

505
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 6: I want you to put my album next to Whoever's album,

506
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 6: D'Angelo usher, whoever, faith whatever, I want you to put

507
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 6: against the best album that year, and whether it's better

508
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 6: or not, I'm not here to say it's better. I'm

509
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 6: here to say it's gonna be all the same quality.

510
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 6: Guess what, we just go with the same mics we

511
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 6: shot out with the same type of photographers we were.

512
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 6: We are investing in in our and it doesn't have

513
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 6: to be that it's a five hundred thousand dollars budget.

514
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 6: You know, guess what, We all are operating on million

515
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 6: dollar budgets. Whether whether you got a million dollars anb

516
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 6: we all putting our best foot forward. Takeile were putting

517
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 6: our best foot forward, you know, writing weld challenge each

518
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 6: other and you.

519
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 5: Know, I mean that was so even to the Leo.

520
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 5: Even that was like the way the cover art and everything.

521
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 5: It was just I mean that was because at the time,

522
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 5: you I think you were on tour or you know

523
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 5: where you had, you know, your kids, and then I

524
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 5: was on tour. So we never had a real photo

525
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 5: shoot for that album. We never had a photo shoot.

526
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 6: No, but let's find a dope picture. Let's figure out

527
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 6: dope way to put it together that could that could

528
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 6: tell a story. And to this day, I mean, it's

529
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 6: it's one of the it's so it's like a minimalist,

530
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 6: simplistic album, but it's so and you ran point more

531
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 6: on that one real talk, but we are from the

532
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 6: same place like these, uh these album covers tell a

533
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 6: story and there's a reason why this picture is this

534
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 6: way or whatever.

535
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 4: And yeah, that was the thing because I saw the joke.

536
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 5: We had the picture and I was like, all right, Well,

537
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 5: my whole thought was I'm like, okay, we got these

538
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 5: pictures of us live and they did a mock up

539
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 5: of us like singing.

540
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: You know.

541
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: There was some pictures from our Chicago show at the Shrine, Rest.

542
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 5: Of the Beasts, you know what I mean, we did

543
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 5: them shows at the Shrine and uh we brother it

544
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 5: took him.

545
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 4: I cannot remember his name.

546
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 5: Please forgive me, but I got something from him and

547
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 5: he had him and I was like, all right, this

548
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 5: is dope. And we did a couple of mock ups

549
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 5: with my man, my man Chris Charles and so. But

550
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: when I showed it to everyone's independent Soul and our

551
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 5: butter and so bounce all.

552
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 4: Right, but yeah, shout out, shout out to.

553
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 5: The buttress in red velvet, uh Susan. But I sent

554
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 5: her a mock up of it and she was like, Yo,

555
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 5: this is dope, but it looks like a live album

556
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh nah, like that. So that's

557
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 5: when I got that there. I was like, Okay, if

558
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 5: I drop it down where it's just our faces like

559
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 5: covering over, it'll look like the King of Rock cover,

560
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, the run DMC. And then

561
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 5: if we put the titles on the front with the

562
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 5: bar code, that's a call back to Urban Haynes Sweet.

563
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 5: So it's like the double It's like, that's that to

564
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 5: me was what Tigolo represent. I'm like, we are two

565
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 5: hip hop dudes, like without a doubt, but you know,

566
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 5: also with soul and shit worked.

567
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 6: But think, like I said, we're taking Run DMC and

568
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 6: Maxwell and put it together. That is tigolero, you know

569
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. So it's like it was all it

570
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 6: was all playing and all well thought out. But that's

571
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 6: to talking about like it ain't just no, we ain't

572
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 6: just throwing this together. It's putting some f for a

573
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 6: time and like a science behind it, and it makes

574
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 6: it makes sense. And every album cover I've seen you do,

575
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 6: every song I've seen you do, it's the same effort,

576
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 6: and I feel like the same.

577
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 4: Thing we do for you. You be kicking my ass.

578
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: I'd be like, damn, Arrol got another album.

579
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 5: I'm like, man, you got you did? You came to

580
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 5: hear from here? I was like, damn, we ain't been

581
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: in the house for two months. This nigga got album already.

582
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 6: I'm like, damn, that's what that's Because I was scared

583
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 6: and I was like shows getting canceled.

584
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: I'm not going back to teaching. I'm like, what is happening.

585
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: I was like, give me the pen real quick.

586
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 6: Let me you know, for me, whenever, whenever I feel

587
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 6: I mean I mean that like.

588
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: Music for me is like my ass friend or whatever.

589
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 6: Like when I when Fave passed, when Paris Bowen's passed,

590
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 6: when Chadwick, Chadrick Boseman pay, when any of that stuff.

591
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 6: The first thing I did was I turned the equipment on,

592
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 6: you know, not like, oh, it's just that's when when

593
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 6: the pandemic started, I turned the equipment on. It's like,

594
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 6: for me, my whole view on creativity, my whole view

595
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 6: on art, my whole view on.

596
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: All of it is different.

597
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 6: And I'm a I have a album called music Fan First,

598
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 6: and it means I'm the fan of it first. First thing.

599
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 6: It's the soundtrack to my life. It's what brings me

600
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 6: peace and what brings me ease. So on my worst day,

601
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 6: I'm picking a pin up. On the worst day, I'm

602
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 6: picking a guitar worst day. On my best day, I'm

603
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 6: doing it as well. So so yeah, it's not like

604
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 6: I'm like I'm racing. I'm making the first pandemic album.

605
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 6: It's like, nah, gonna beat everybody to the punch. It

606
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 6: was just more like, so.

607
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: What mortgage is doing? You know who's sick? Oh my god,

608
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: let me just write.

609
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 6: And I just started recording, like you know what I mean,

610
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 6: I didn't know any anybody. It's crazy. I've done two

611
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 6: albums during the pandemic. But but I just couldn't start writing,

612
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.

613
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 5: I wanted to talk to you when you speak on

614
00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 5: as well, Man, you you know I met through you,

615
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 5: you know kind of you know, through you Anakin Invader Man.

616
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 5: These brothers are just amazing. Shout out to them, like

617
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 5: those my.

618
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: Guys, amazing brothers man.

619
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 5: Man, And you brought them on to executive produce your

620
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 5: new album, Lessons, which is you know again, just great record, man,

621
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 5: like just that, can't you know, to the top to bottom,

622
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 5: just always consistent.

623
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 4: How did you link up with them?

624
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: And what was the decision to make Lessons kind of

625
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: the first single?

626
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: So meeting them goes back a while.

627
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 6: And this is a lesson for people just to shoot

628
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 6: your shot, right.

629
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: So you know.

630
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 6: Now, I got three kids, and usually when I do

631
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 6: a show, now I'm catching the first thing smoking to

632
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 6: get back home, right. So a lot of times you'll

633
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 6: find me at the airport five o'clock in the morning,

634
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 6: you know, right after the show that dog tired walking

635
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 6: through all like a zombie, and I was at an

636
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 6: airport and I was just trying to stay awake. I remember,

637
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 6: I was just like trying not to fall asleep. So

638
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 6: I was like just scrolling through Instagram whatever I could

639
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 6: do to keep myself occupied, and I saw somebody attack

640
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 6: me on something and the name was Anakin Invader, and

641
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 6: I was like, did.

642
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: Y'all name me yourselves? After Star Wars feelings?

643
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 6: That's the first thing caught my attention, like like, it

644
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 6: isn't dar Vader, isn't Anakin. I was like, that's interesting,

645
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 6: so click. I clicked it because it caught my attention

646
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 6: and it was showing up. It was like Skywalker fighting

647
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 6: Darth Vader with like a hip hop beat under it,

648
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 6: and I was like, oh, that's dooke okay, next one,

649
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 6: and then it was like Princess Leiah like kissing Hans Solo.

650
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: With like.

651
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 6: And I was like, y'all kind of got that off,

652
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 6: so that's what y'all doing. And it probably like ten

653
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 6: like I went through that page. I probably spent like

654
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 6: ten minutes on that page, and then I hit them back.

655
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 6: I said, yo, you got my attention, what's up? And

656
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 6: then like before the plane could take off, I remember

657
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 6: like within ten minutes, it was like as if they

658
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 6: could see that I was looking at their page or whatever.

659
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 6: I don't know, but as soon as I said, you

660
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 6: got my attention, what's up? A dropbox link?

661
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: Clean?

662
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: It came right back.

663
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 5: They stay ready Like Jared Broke, he would hit me like, man,

664
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 5: I don't want to overwhelm you, like he would send

665
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 5: you a pholto with like one hundred joints, and it's just like,

666
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 5: bro Like those dudes are animals.

667
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: Man, love those dudes.

668
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 6: And I really yeah, I was like, did you just

669
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 6: send me a dropbox link? And then before the plane

670
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 6: could take off, I like open the dropbox link, downloaded it,

671
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 6: and I had like five songs written before the plane landed.

672
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: Like it was just like who are y'all?

673
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 6: And it's been a great friendship, great partnership since then.

674
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 6: We've been working NonStop. And they sent me the Lessons track,

675
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 6: which got to think at that point, I'm not even

676
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 6: it's not on my radar to make another album.

677
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: I just did hear from here.

678
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 6: I'm not even like, Okay, I'm kind of good and

679
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 6: we're kind of stealing the whole pandemic. But I knew

680
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 6: the record was like this is a special track, this

681
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 6: one is killing, And immediately immediately I was, yo, can't

682
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 6: have it, Like we write a check for it. Whatever, like,

683
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 6: what's up with this track? And he was like, yo,

684
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 6: my bad. I did send it out just all transparency.

685
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 6: I sent it out to like another artist first, can

686
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 6: we like just wait and see what they say first?

687
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 6: Since I just sent it them first, I didn't respect them.

688
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 6: I'm like, no problem, let's listen. No problem. And then

689
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 6: about three days later they said, we haven't heard back

690
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 6: from them. So if you if you still want it,

691
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 6: shoot your shy on. Most definitely still want it. And

692
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 6: I'm going down the studio right now, like I'm going

693
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 6: down and like before it to remove all that all doubt.

694
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 6: And what happened was what's interesting though, was when I

695
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 6: went down there. Now it's like two o'clock in the

696
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 6: morning of my anniversary, right and I think if I

697
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 6: wrote the track, if I wrote to the track the

698
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 6: first day they gave it to me, I don't wrote

699
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 6: a different song.

700
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: But I think when I went down there.

701
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 6: You know, it's my anniverse.

702
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: Okay man, it's still in this pandemic.

703
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 6: You know, lost a few friends and y'all me and

704
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 6: with kids every healthy parents, I was, you know, just

705
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 6: started thinking just that while I'm just loading everything up.

706
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 6: It was I was just kind of thinking. You know,

707
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 6: for me, I'm one who wants to figure out who

708
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 6: do I want to be in a song and try

709
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 6: to define that person as much as possible and then

710
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 6: just hit record. That's how like if I if I

711
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 6: cut out all things, I don't have to say, there's

712
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 6: only things left is this, and then just make it

713
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 6: rhyme and that's gonna be a song. And that was it,

714
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 6: and it just happened. I like, I had a camera

715
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 6: set up for some thing I did the day before

716
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 6: in the room and I was like, let's turn this

717
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 6: on and let us hit record.

718
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: God, that's a funny way showing.

719
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 6: And it was like after that was like and that

720
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 6: was really like, let's transfer this my phone, post it,

721
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 6: go to bed, and just go to bed.

722
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't even like thinking nothing of.

723
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 6: It at all and walk up to like just what

724
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 6: is going?

725
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 2: What are you doing? What is this?

726
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: This is great?

727
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 6: You know, and it was like, Okay, let's uh, I

728
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 6: might want to finish this.

729
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: You might want to finish this up. I want to

730
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: be this one done.

731
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 6: And I probably went I probably went, honestly, and I

732
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 6: probably never said this before. I probably went to bed

733
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 6: kind of hesitant to post it because I was like,

734
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 6: I didn't look at the beautiful beauty of like how

735
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 6: transparent it was and how many people could relate to it.

736
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 6: I almost was worried a little bit that it was

737
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 6: kind of like a jab and like all the ex girlfriends,

738
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 6: which I didn't want it to be everyone who let

739
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 6: me down led me to you. But it is true.

740
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 6: I mean, guess what, every failed record deal, every everything

741
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 6: that happened in my life had to have happened for

742
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 6: me to have the kids here, you know what I mean.

743
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 6: It wasn't really like a you know, guess what. I

744
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 6: had to do that for you for you to be

745
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 6: where you at too. And uh but I kind of

746
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 6: I think that was my last thought of the night.

747
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: Was kind of like tomorrow changed that line because that

748
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: was a little a little heavy, you know.

749
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 6: But then when I woke up the next day and

750
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: I was like, this is my song and I was like, yeah,

751
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 6: we're not changing that line. Had to eat that one.

752
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: Ben you.

753
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 5: We was laughing about this the other day on the

754
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 5: phone with Jared from Any Innovader.

755
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: He described us.

756
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: He was like, yeah, working with y'all man, he was like, Arrow,

757
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 5: he's a show pony, but.

758
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: You a racehorse.

759
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 5: I was like, dude, that is so fucking I was like,

760
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 5: our dynamic, that's that's our dynamic. That is out that

761
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 5: like arrow, Like he's gonna show up, he's gonna be

762
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 5: dressed to the fucking nines, Like he's gonna have the

763
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 5: hat like you know, just you know, And that was

764
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 5: the thing I will say. I know, just I picked

765
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 5: up from you just kind of you know, going out

766
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 5: on tour and just watching you. You know, everywhere you go,

767
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 5: you always look like Eric Robson. You know what I'm saying,

768
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 5: Always like dressed to the nines is always if if

769
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 5: we damn Chick fil A, you know what I'm saying,

770
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: a chow can breakout, I'm gonna be ready to give

771
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 5: a show. And you know, and that was just something

772
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 5: that was always you with me. I'm just like, look,

773
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 5: I'm showing up. The day of the race. Showed me

774
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 5: who ass I'm beating. I'm running my race. I'm beating

775
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 5: your niggas ass, and I'm going home. I'm not staying

776
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 5: after for autographs. I don't want to talk about the race,

777
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: like I don't want to. I did my job, you

778
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 5: know what I mean.

779
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 2: You know what's funny even talking about that our shows.

780
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 6: You're actually right, I got a hat on a suit,

781
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 6: a blazer at least or something like that, and you

782
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 6: have on a black hoodie and it worked.

783
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: It worked. It wasn't like, well, why he got a

784
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: suit on one? He got a hook?

785
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 6: It actually no when you see the pictures, it works,

786
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 6: I guess. But it's like that, that might be that,

787
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 6: that might be. The next album is like the race course.

788
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 6: That's all I do.

789
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: Take a fist. I gotta be a bag on pony,

790
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm.

791
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 4: Saying, Hey, what's on shared? Right? Right? Why can't I

792
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 4: be a thoroughbred? Respect on my name?

793
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: I need to be I'll be it.

794
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 6: But but but once again you're talking about too you

795
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 6: know three because Anakin Evader is actually a three three group,

796
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 6: absolutely solid brothers man, solid solid brothers, life changing man.

797
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 6: Once again, you know, we can go on here and

798
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 6: talk about so many amazing people we talk about and

799
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 6: we're gonna miss so many names. And I apologize because

800
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 6: I work with so many great people. But definitely, you know,

801
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 6: meeting those guys, it has, it's definitely made me.

802
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: Better, you know what I mean, Definitely made me back

803
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: wise and I really do. Yeah.

804
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 5: Lastly, man, I wanted to just touch on because this

805
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: is something that me and you we talk about, you know,

806
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 5: from time to time, but just like you know, just

807
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: for our listeners, just man, I just want to talk

808
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 5: about just you know, how you balance just like I mean,

809
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 5: you have three boys, you know what I'm saying.

810
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: I mean I have two boys, My boys.

811
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 5: I mean they're you know older now my boys are

812
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 5: twenty one and sixteen, so yeah, they but but you

813
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 5: have like, you know, young kids, and uh, I.

814
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 4: Just wanted to, you know, talk to me about like how.

815
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 5: Do you you know, balance you know, being in business

816
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 5: for yourself and you know, being a husband, being good

817
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 5: a father and and not just being a husband father

818
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 5: and just like I just pay for shit and you know,

819
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 5: go to my the basement, but you know, actually being present,

820
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 5: you know in you know, being present for your family

821
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 5: in that way.

822
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 4: How do you manage that?

823
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: You know?

824
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 6: First, you know, it's funny, my whole theory on balance

825
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 6: is different, right, Like the fact there's like I don't

826
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 6: there is no balance right.

827
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: Right, It's like how do you balance it? Right? For me?

828
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 6: We talk about the word process, right, so I practice

829
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 6: this thing called process over product. Like everything is, it

830
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 6: is connected to the process, this very conversation we have

831
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 6: right now. I can't worry about how many listeners will have,

832
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 6: or how in tune would people be, or was it

833
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 6: a great interview or whatever. I could just be that,

834
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 6: you know, I'm talking to my brother, and how connected

835
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 6: can I be in this conversation. The same way as songwriting,

836
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 6: you know, it's probably strengthened through songwriters, strengthened through music.

837
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 6: Every time I sit down to write a song, I

838
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 6: can't think about the last song. I can't think about

839
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 6: the successes or the failures. I can only think about

840
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 6: what I'm doing.

841
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 5: Yo, Bro, that's so crazy you say that. That's the

842
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 5: same thing. Like I take that. It was like a

843
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 5: my football coach in high school. He was like, you know, look,

844
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 5: you gotta have a bad memory. Like talk about quarterbacks.

845
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 5: He was like, quarterback, you gotta have a bad memory

846
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: to be a quarterback. You know what I'm saying. If

847
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 5: you can't think about if you fumbled on second down, hey,

848
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: look bro, that shit over it.

849
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: You know you got another down.

850
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 6: But you also can't think about the touchdown. You can't, right,

851
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 6: you can't think these of it. You got to think

852
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 6: about the play you're doing and just put all the

853
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 6: confidence that it will work out, whether it will or

854
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 6: will not, that's product, right.

855
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 4: Because that's the only play you got.

856
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 6: It's only play you got this very second, right now,

857
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 6: this minute we talking right now, this is this is

858
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 6: the only minute right The next MANU ain't guaranteed in

859
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 6: any forum fashion. So why not just trust this minute

860
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 6: that we in right now, right like, enjoy the sixty seconds.

861
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 6: So for me, now, process over product transfers to different

862
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 6: things that how do I practice process or a product

863
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 6: with my marriage? How do I practice processing product over

864
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 6: product in my as a parent? Who are friendships or whatever?

865
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 6: So guess what I mean, really what I tour schedule,

866
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 6: with our teaching schedule, with our studio schedule, with all

867
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 6: that stuff like that. I mean I respectfully to say

868
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 6: that there's not enough time to be the best friend

869
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 6: to every friend. I have to really be the best father, debate,

870
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 6: best husband. I'm gonna try my best to be that.

871
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 6: What it is is really how connected can I be

872
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 6: with you in the time that we have?

873
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: Right?

874
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 6: So if I only have an hour in the studio,

875
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 6: can I get lost in the studio for fifty nine minutes.

876
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 6: I can't walk in the studio going damn money, got

877
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 6: an hour time. It's like, no, I'm gonna kill this hour.

878
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 6: I got in here and the same same thing as

879
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 6: I go upstairs, and I know I'm leaving on Friday,

880
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 6: but you know, I can play with the kids all

881
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 6: day day. Let's just get lost, Like how much can

882
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 6: I can't worry if you're gonna be a doctor or

883
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 6: this and that, this and that.

884
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: What's crazy? Literally from this podcast.

885
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 6: Just before I came here to do this podcast, my

886
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 6: kids are on spring break, and I was like, man, today,

887
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 6: today's busy, right, and it Wednesday's busy, and this is

888
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 6: I looked at the schedule. So yesterday, like I was

889
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 6: just telling my wife, I said, I'm just taking the kids.

890
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 6: We going to Pokonos. So I just grabbed them, throwing

891
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 6: the car. We just balled out for like twenty four hours.

892
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 6: Just went to a water park and just kids. Stayed

893
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 6: up till like four o'clock in the morning, got up,

894
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 6: got went back in the water, literally got out the water,

895
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 6: put clothes on, and drove back here just to get

896
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 6: on this microphone and talk talk with you. And it's

897
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 6: like Yo, guess well, we only had twenty four hours,

898
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 6: but guess what, we just gonna ball out for twenty

899
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 6: four hours. And that's balance is how much can you

900
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 6: be in tune with what time you have?

901
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: Right?

902
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I know I completely relate to that.

903
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 5: I kind of look at it like, you know, to

904
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 5: your point, when people think of balance, they think of

905
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 5: just like, oh, I have the exact amount of time

906
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: to do this and the exact amount.

907
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: To me.

908
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 5: In my career, balance has always kind of been more

909
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 5: so an oscillation between two extremes, right, So, like when

910
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 5: I'm locked in the studio, like like when we was Tickilero, right,

911
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, I'm locked in.

912
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 4: I just have to It's the.

913
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 5: Word that just my mind always is just surrender, Like yeah,

914
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 5: I just have to just surrender. It's like, bro, this

915
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 5: is not gonna make no sense. I'm about to be

916
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 5: up for like you know, thirty six hours. I'm about

917
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 5: to like my sleep sched's about to be shit. I'm

918
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 5: about to eat like shit for like a month, Like

919
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 5: you just know. It's just like there's no run, Like

920
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 5: if you try to make sense of this shit, you're lost.

921
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 5: So you just got to give in. But then once

922
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 5: the record is done, and once the work is done,

923
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 5: now for the next you know, month, for the next

924
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 5: two months, I'm just playing PS five and that's it,

925
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So you kind of have

926
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 5: those you know, those kind of two extremes, And that

927
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 5: has been the closest I've been able, you know, to

928
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 5: get to balance. You know, that makes you know, the

929
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 5: most sense for my life. But I've always been curious

930
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 5: as to how you you manage it with all the

931
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 5: things you have going on.

932
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 6: What I'll tell you is that music, and I say

933
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 6: art in general, is the most selfish thing I've ever

934
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 6: seen in my life. Music wants everything out of you.

935
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 6: It wants to brother everything, It wants all your time

936
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 6: in a moment that like.

937
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 4: And it will test you in every way.

938
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 6: Guess what the biggest, the biggest show offer you're gonna

939
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 6: have every year is your kids on kid's birthday, the

940
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 6: biggest you know, the promoter's gonna call you with that

941
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 6: bag of bags.

942
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: It's gonna be your.

943
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 6: Kid's birthday, on your anniversary or some like the first three, right,

944
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 6: you know, it's like, you know, our wives already accept

945
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 6: Valentine's Day, Go get that money, go get that right,

946
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 6: right right?

947
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: But like why does the show always have to land

948
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: on their birthday? Right?

949
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: Or Christmas Eve, New Year's like any of the.

950
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like, but that's the take. Are you gonna

951
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 6: take it? Are you gonna take the show?

952
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 2: You? You know what I mean?

953
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 6: And it's like, but that's that's this that's this craft

954
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 6: and it and like as soon as I'm supposed to

955
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 6: turn the equipment off and go upstairs and kind of

956
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 6: check in, here's the next idea pops in your head,

957
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 6: You're like, oh my god, that's a crazy idea, and

958
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 6: then you turn it equipment.

959
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: So it's like it is the most but you know.

960
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 5: Because it's elusive, like I think like when you you know,

961
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 5: when you say like because I bro I feel you

962
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 5: like when you bought to go to bed. And you know,

963
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 5: Quincy Jones is like he thought we had him on

964
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 5: the show like years ago, and he was talking about

965
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 5: just kind of that alpha state, you know he calls

966
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 5: the alpha state when your mind is just you know,

967
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 5: it's three four in the morning and you're not thinking,

968
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 5: you're just doing, you're just existing.

969
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: And so it's like you.

970
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 5: Know that four in the morning where you have that time,

971
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 5: and it's like, man, I really know. I know I

972
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 5: got to get up and be in the car pool

973
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 5: line in three hours.

974
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: But if I go to sleep, I could lose this.

975
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 5: Moment and I'll never be able to recapture it, you

976
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. And it's just it's that elusive

977
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 5: thing that you're chasing, and so when you catch it,

978
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 5: it's just like, yeah, it's like catching a fucking shooting star.

979
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 5: You're like, man, I just got to hold onto this,

980
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, and keep some of this

981
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 5: magic for myself.

982
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna tell you what's interesting. This is what

983
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 6: I like, I said, my whole few on creativity is

984
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 6: different now and I'm one now where I can I

985
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 6: can turn the equipment off in that moment, right, And

986
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 6: it's more because I'm at the realization now and I

987
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 6: feel like truth be told. And I say this before

988
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 6: we say this statement, I feel like my pen is

989
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 6: stronger than ever right now, right, I feel like that

990
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 6: it's our connection whatever. But creativity is often some we

991
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 6: treated like a best friend we don't deserve, right, So

992
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 6: in a moment where we should turn the equipment off

993
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 6: and go upstairs, it's like when it shows up, we're like,

994
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 6: oh my god, you showed up.

995
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: Help my wife, help my kids, right right right, Creativity,

996
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: come come on in, come on in, have see have

997
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 2: a see what you gotta tell me, you know. And

998
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: that's how it was.

999
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 6: Like I was probably that way for like the seventy

1000
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 6: five percent of my life, Like I would, I would

1001
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 6: leave the Christmas table, I would leave the middle of

1002
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 6: making love. Wow, idea pops in like you know, softest Lips.

1003
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 6: I can say now like softest Lips happened, like the song,

1004
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 6: the idea of the song happened while kissing somebody and

1005
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 6: I stopped. I remember, like I stopped doing what I

1006
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 6: was doing to write the song.

1007
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 4: You know, and it's never been devoted there gro.

1008
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: Look coming you have wants to be that devoted, you know.

1009
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 6: But but what happens is like yo, but we have

1010
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 6: to realize that creativity needs us just like it needs

1011
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 6: we need it. And like Quincy Jones was so worried

1012
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 6: over what was it? Was it Michael Jackson, Prince said

1013
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 6: he couldn't leave the creativity alone because he was worried

1014
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 6: they would go visit Michael Jackson, Right, So yeah, but

1015
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 6: I'm I'm I'm satisfied with now telling creativity.

1016
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm busy right now. Can you come back?

1017
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 6: That sounds crazy, That sounds crazy, but it's almost the

1018
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 6: same thing of like if.

1019
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: You confidence, it sounds it sounds like confidence, but.

1020
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: It's confidence, it's trust. Right. So it's like, I'll give

1021
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: you the anledgy of this.

1022
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 6: If you called me and I was like, let's say

1023
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 6: I'm in the middle of just like a super game

1024
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 6: with my kids right now, and you called me, was like, Yo,

1025
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 6: I need to rap with your minute. I was like, Yo,

1026
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 6: all right, hold up, I'm give me two seconds. I'm

1027
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 6: in this crazy battle with my kids and this that

1028
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 6: we having fun whatever whatever, or we are the pool.

1029
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 6: Let's say we're the pool. Give a couple hours. I'm

1030
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 6: gonna call you back, you know what I mean?

1031
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 4: Like cool?

1032
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: Cool?

1033
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 6: And then we come in the pool or whatever whatever,

1034
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 6: And I call you back three hours later and I'm like, Yo,

1035
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 6: so what's up?

1036
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: And You're like, man, I can't even remb what I

1037
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: was what I was calling you about, right, But I

1038
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's cool. What's you up to now?

1039
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 6: First of all, just knowing you and we friends and

1040
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 6: we have talked we've chopped it up, We've had deep,

1041
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 6: deep conversations because of who we are for each other,

1042
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 6: that next conversation might not be what you initially called it.

1043
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 6: It's gonna be great to the problem is we go

1044
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 6: into it like the quarterbacks still thinking about the last

1045
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 6: touchdown or last interception.

1046
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: So I'm so worried about, like, can you remember what

1047
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: you was gonna tell me? I can't lose it, lose it.

1048
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 6: That we not being natural, We're not treating creativity like

1049
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 6: it really it just wants to be invited.

1050
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: It just want to kick it, you know what I mean.

1051
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 6: So it's like, allow creativity to show up and be

1052
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 6: what it's gonna be, and guess what. Sometimes it's gonna

1053
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 6: we already know. Listen, Sometimes it's gonna be great. Sometimes

1054
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 6: it's not. How many times that we've written a song

1055
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 6: and thought it was this is the one. I'm buying

1056
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 6: my Bentley, I'm paying my mama house there, and it's

1057
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 6: straight crickets right off, the most fire thing you thought

1058
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 6: you ever did.

1059
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: And it's straight crickets. And it hiss this.

1060
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 5: Wondering on your phone, You put on your phone and

1061
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 5: wake up the next morning, and that.

1062
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 6: She was a nothing of it, and now that this

1063
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 6: is the joint that now you got a toil for

1064
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 6: two years. You can't never get off stage without saying

1065
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying. So, so why are we

1066
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 6: prejudging creativity at the end of day, when it shows

1067
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 6: up and you have time for it, then treat it

1068
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 6: treated like it's supposed to be. And if you don't,

1069
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 6: then then put the time in other in other areas.

1070
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 6: And and going back to even the balance thing, my

1071
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 6: wife has to feel seen sometimes more than music. She

1072
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 6: has to feel like I chose music over sometimes my

1073
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 6: kids as well. My kids have have literally been raised

1074
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 6: watching me in the studio and sometimes they have to

1075
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 6: see me turn the equipment off for them, you know

1076
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 6: what I mean. They have to they have to see that.

1077
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 6: So oh, you have to be there, and I have

1078
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 6: to trust that. Like I feel like my music's gotten

1079
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 6: better the more I've been like, nah, let me live,

1080
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 6: oh man.

1081
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 5: Cause you got if you don't live, ain't gonna have

1082
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 5: shit to write about. Like what am I gonna sing about?

1083
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1084
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 5: And it was you know, and for me it was

1085
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: you know, with your boys. You know, your boys are

1086
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 5: really young. You know what I'm saying. And for me,

1087
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 5: you know, my boy I had you know, kids like

1088
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 5: super young, and so it kind of worked out in

1089
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 5: a good way because when I was when they were young,

1090
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 5: and you know, they you know, they really just.

1091
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: Wanted to be around their mama all the time.

1092
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 5: So I was touring this stuff, you know what I mean,

1093
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 5: I was out really getting it. But then by the

1094
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 5: time they got the teenageers, that was when you know,

1095
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 5: I kind of transitioned into fie, like we start our label,

1096
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 5: so I could actually be around for those years with

1097
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 5: like they really it's like, okay, no, we need dad,

1098
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 5: like you know, it's you know what I'm saying. So

1099
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 5: it kind of worked out for me in that way,

1100
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 5: and I was thankful to have that. But but nah, man,

1101
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 5: that is uh, that is really sage advice. I the

1102
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 5: equipment for me. What has been my life savor like

1103
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 5: that has saved me, you know, from stand up to

1104
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 5: the crack of dawn has been just having voice notes

1105
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 5: like I have I have a I have Emancipation triple

1106
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 5: disc albums on my voice note because I just have

1107
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: to just get it down. And if I can just

1108
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 5: get that down, I would know to come back to it.

1109
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 5: But I have to have just some kind of bookmark

1110
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 5: and then I can cut the equipment off.

1111
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 6: But my you know, our voice notes if we dare shit,

1112
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 6: it's probably my biggest pro possession as well as just

1113
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 6: the note to my phone. Well, I'll tell you I

1114
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 6: don't write in the studio, but I'm always writing. I'm

1115
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 6: always writing, always staying staying in shape because I think,

1116
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 6: really we're just trying to find an inspiration, like we

1117
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 6: know how to write songs. So now I'm just constantly

1118
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 6: collecting things that take my breath away. Somebody says a statement,

1119
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 6: I go, oh my god, that's that's crazy, right, I'll

1120
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 6: just documented someone see something and like how do I

1121
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 6: transfer that into words? So I mean, yeah, it's like

1122
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 6: it's endless. It's endless just collections and some of what

1123
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 6: I use and pull from it whatever. But yeah, we

1124
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 6: are constantly We're constantly with the collect But that does help,

1125
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 6: like the fact that we can document a moment.

1126
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 2: But then for me, like when I go in.

1127
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 6: The studio, it's like, how, like I said, locked in,

1128
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 6: can I be you know, and the trust the product

1129
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 6: will work out, like you know, trust the product that

1130
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 6: it will take care of if I stay focused on

1131
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 6: the process.

1132
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: The product will work itself out.

1133
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 4: I love it. Man.

1134
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 5: Well listen ero bro man, this has been, you know,

1135
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 5: a long time coming. I guess the conversation we need

1136
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 5: to have. I didn't think we'd be having it in

1137
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 5: front of thousands of strangers on the fucking internet. But

1138
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 5: but nonetheless, but U but nah, seriously, man, I just

1139
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 5: you know, I've told you this, you know, time and

1140
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 5: time again, but I just really just want to just

1141
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 5: thank you, you know what I mean for just really uh,

1142
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 5: just showing up in my life and in my career

1143
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 5: in a way that really, you know, for me, just

1144
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 5: showed me the importance of mentorship, you know what I mean,

1145
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 5: And you know, you really just everything from the business

1146
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 5: to like the show presentation, because I mean I was like,

1147
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 5: I'm straight rapped, dude, So going into R and B,

1148
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 5: I had no fucking clue what that well, I'm like, yo,

1149
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 5: what what is that?

1150
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: You know?

1151
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 5: And you definitely were a huge you know, mentor and

1152
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 5: model and just you know, big homie and the whole

1153
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 5: nine man. And you know, my my career would not

1154
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 5: be where it was where it is, you know, without

1155
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 5: just your influence and just your God, it's just taking

1156
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 5: time just to holler at me whenever I had questions

1157
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 5: and just put me up on game. So, nah man,

1158
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 5: this conversation was a dream come true, brother, and I

1159
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 5: just wanted, you know the world to hit this, you know,

1160
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 5: and just to hear your journey and you know, really

1161
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 5: just you know, give you that respect. Man, twenty one

1162
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 5: years doing this shit independently. Bro, Hey, this ship will

1163
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 5: break big niggas with muscles.

1164
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 4: This shit ain't sweet, bro. So, nah man, I just

1165
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: want to just give you a flowers, just thank you.

1166
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 4: I love you. Man. Man.

1167
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 2: You know, it's been on a pleasure.

1168
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 6: It's been on a pleasure to watch your dream consistently

1169
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 6: come true.

1170
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1171
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 6: I think one of the pleasures that I've had is

1172
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 6: watch a lot of people's dreams come true. And you

1173
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 6: not only being one of the most prolific people I know,

1174
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 6: one of the greatest voices I know, so the voice

1175
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 6: being utilized in so many the ways. I can't tell

1176
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 6: you how proud I was just just when you joined,

1177
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 6: when this quest love Supreme and you were on it,

1178
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 6: I was like, yo, this first of you also are

1179
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 6: the most knowledgeable. I always say this, you don't hear

1180
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 6: this for the first time. I've never ever told you

1181
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 6: of a record or a producer or a.

1182
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: Song that you did not more than not one time

1183
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: have I ever?

1184
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 6: Yo?

1185
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 4: It was one Yo.

1186
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 5: It was one time you got me, and it was

1187
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 5: a big one too. It was the night we went,

1188
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 5: the night we did been in love.

1189
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: Bro.

1190
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 5: I don't even know if I told you this. You

1191
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 5: were the first person to put me on to Todd Rungnger.

1192
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, Like he.

1193
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 5: Was one of those artists. I always saw his name

1194
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 5: and like I would see him. I knew who is

1195
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 5: associated with, but I didn't really know. And so then

1196
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 5: I think you played me. I saw the life and

1197
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god, that's Todd Runger, Like

1198
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 5: I've been hearing that song forever.

1199
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: Why you put me on?

1200
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 4: Like the all we ran through to something anything album.

1201
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: That's one time.

1202
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 6: One, like the entire I was like this joint from

1203
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 6: nineteen seventy two, b side this record, like, oh, that's

1204
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 6: such and such and that's why they ain't playing tellow

1205
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 6: on it. No, that's killing I'm like, oh my god,

1206
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 6: here's this new indie artist. I'm at the Bay Area

1207
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 6: killing it. They selling independent records in the flea market.

1208
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's such and such and such. Yeah I

1209
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 6: got that record.

1210
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: I won't we link you up? How do you know?

1211
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: All of this stuff is really mind blowing. Man.

1212
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 6: I'm gonna just say this, and I gotta say you know,

1213
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 6: first of all, you know you my brother, and I

1214
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 6: love you, love you, love it.

1215
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 4: Man.

1216
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 6: You're so true to your art. You're so true to

1217
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 6: your craft, to your friendship and to who the person

1218
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 6: who you are. You know what's so funny. You are

1219
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 6: the first person like to curse in front of my

1220
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 6: mom and she didn't even like hesitate.

1221
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 5: What like yo?

1222
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: You know, listen, you know you are a cursor, right,

1223
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: it is, it is, It is fine, it's.

1224
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 6: So you. And like you know, at that time, my

1225
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 6: studio was in my parents' house, right, so we did

1226
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 6: my parents and just even with my dad. It wasn't like, oh,

1227
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 6: this is how he talked to me, and then this

1228
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 6: is how he talks to my mom and dad. It's like, no,

1229
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 6: this is how he talks and whoever the around want

1230
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 6: to accept this and love him. And my parents loved you.

1231
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 6: It was like who this guy you brought in the

1232
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 6: house to this party? They were like, no, we love

1233
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 6: Fonte bring him as many times he wants. But it

1234
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 6: was like it was I remember watching like the Dynamic

1235
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 6: you talk into like my parents, and it was still

1236
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 6: the same way. It was like the MFS and where

1237
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 6: and I was like, yeah, that's how he really he

1238
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 6: really fired off. But it was but guess what it

1239
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 6: was like genuine is love and it's like a genuineness

1240
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 6: behind it. It ain't like some shock value whatever, Like, Yo,

1241
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 6: you're just a true brother, you like for real, like

1242
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 6: for real, for real, anyone who knows you know you're

1243
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 6: just a true brother. And it's like just mad, I

1244
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 6: got mad respect for you. You already know, like like

1245
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 6: anytime you call, like y'all need you to break dance

1246
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 6: in this video or like this melody this joint on

1247
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 6: his like just singing the background vocals on the joint.

1248
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 6: You know, I'm like, all right, let's let's do it man.

1249
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 5: You know likewise too, and everybody has a TICKULARI to that,

1250
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 5: like when y'all doing it, get like we're gonna do

1251
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:26,240
Speaker 5: it again.

1252
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 4: I'm I'm definitely I would certainly love to do another week.

1253
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 5: You know, it's just hopefully we can do it at

1254
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 5: a time where like people ain't dying and you having kids,

1255
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 5: and like you know, we have more order in our

1256
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 5: life this time around.

1257
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying right right, I'm looking forward

1258
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 6: to it, but I just need to let you know, man,

1259
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 6: I appreciate you having me on and I love you

1260
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 6: brother and look forward to doing more with you.

1261
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 2: Love you too, bro.

1262
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 5: For real, man, well listen on behalf of Unpaid Bill Shit,

1263
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 5: Steve a Mere, Oscar winning a mere, my work wife

1264
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 5: like Iah, this has been quest Love spring. I'm not

1265
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: quest Love, I'm Fontelo. But no, man, thank y'all so

1266
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 5: much for tuning in. We'll catch y' all on the

1267
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 5: next go around. Tap In with Eric Robinson is the

1268
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 5: album Lessons out right now on our platforms. Go get it,

1269
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 5: and yeah, we'll catch y'all on next one.

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00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:30,719
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