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Speaker 2: coach Dave Wanstatt. I want to start with college football
Speaker 2: because it's a twelve team playoff this year. I think
Speaker 2: the three best teams in my opinion in the conference
Speaker 2: are Oregon, Ohio State, and Penn State. But I have
Speaker 2: something I want to throw to you, because you've coached
Speaker 2: successfully at the college level. If you're a warm weather
Speaker 2: Pac twelve school, USC UCLA, what is the adjustment now?
Speaker 2: Oregon and Washington coach, they play in crappy weather all
Speaker 2: the time. I mean, I mean mid Nov. I mean
Speaker 2: early November. It's rain and sheet rain in Seattle and Eugene.
Speaker 2: Would you recruit differently if you were an SC or
Speaker 2: A UCLA going into this conference or is that overblown?
Speaker 1: No? I think happening right now. You know, I talked
Speaker 1: a lot with Jim Harbor. Obviously he played for me
Speaker 1: when I was at the Bears and before he left Michigan.
Speaker 1: I mean, he felt like they were trying to become
Speaker 1: more of a national recruiting school. Everybody is now, particularly
Speaker 1: with the transfer portal. I think the transfer portal Colin
Speaker 1: has really taken college players from coast to coast because
Speaker 1: they're all looking for an opportunity to play. So what
Speaker 1: I recruit differently, No, I don't think these schools have to, except,
Speaker 1: you know, now all of a sudden, USC. And when
Speaker 1: I coached at USC, I was the national recruiter. I
Speaker 1: recruited kids out of Washington, d C. I recruited kids
Speaker 1: out of Dallas, Texas at that time to come to USC.
Speaker 1: So they'll do the same. That won't change in Ohio State.
Speaker 1: They go where they want. So does Michigan, so does
Speaker 1: Penna State. I don't see it being a big, big
Speaker 1: difference maker for the major schools. You know, all they
Speaker 1: can really sell is because everybody's on TV now. Anyway.
Speaker 1: That used to be the South. When I was at USC,
Speaker 1: we would say, you come to our place, even though
Speaker 1: you're in Dallas, Texas. We're going to be on national
Speaker 1: TV four or five times a year. Your parents will
Speaker 1: see you play, your high school coaches and so and forth.
Speaker 1: That's not the case now. Everybody's pretty much on every week.
Speaker 2: You know, I said this the other day, is I
Speaker 2: think Ohio State and Oregon maybe along with Texas, the
Speaker 2: three most talented teams in the country, and Ohio State's
Speaker 2: in a weird space. So they've been outplayed by Michigan
Speaker 2: the last three years. And really, coach, you always have
Speaker 2: sayings like you can you can lose games, you can't
Speaker 2: lose the locker room. My knock on Ohio State has
Speaker 2: been they've collected talent. A little bit of my criticism
Speaker 2: of Steve sarkeishen in his career. He's a great talent collector.
Speaker 2: Harbaugh's a culture builder. That's the difference. Harball built a
Speaker 2: culture and they use that physical culture to beat Ohio
Speaker 2: State three in a row. Is it a fair criticism
Speaker 2: to say with Ryan Day a very young coach, he
Speaker 2: collects talent. But I don't know exact Dave. I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly what the hell they are. They can be
Speaker 2: a finesse team, they just had a their starting quarterback transfer.
Speaker 2: They're pretty, they can play track football, but I've watched
Speaker 2: them over the last several years get pushed around in
Speaker 2: some big games. What, in your opinion, what is Ohio
Speaker 2: State football beyond stacked and talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's a great analogy. I mean, they
Speaker 1: do a great job of recruiting. Ryan Day, I think
Speaker 1: is a better coach than people give him credit for.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and I remember talking to Jim
Speaker 1: Harball about this, and I'm referencing Jim because when this
Speaker 1: nil came in, Jim he had a tough time swallow
Speaker 1: because he was under the thing, we're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: come to Michigan and you're gonna play football at Michigan,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get an education at Michigan, and yes,
Speaker 1: we are going to get you ready for the NFL.
Speaker 1: So that's the culture I think you're referring to. You're
Speaker 1: right at Ohio State. God, they get great players, but
Speaker 1: everything is how quick? How quick can I be a
Speaker 1: number one draft pick? And how quick can I get
Speaker 1: to the NFL? And when that's your mentality as a
Speaker 1: football team, you know, there's that inner thing of the
Speaker 1: connecting with the players. And I'm not saying it's missing
Speaker 1: at Ohio State. I'm a fan of Ryan Days, but
Speaker 1: you know, there's just not that fuel maybe for the school.
Speaker 1: If you're playing there, then what there is if you're
Speaker 1: playing at Michigan, you know, and you know if you
Speaker 1: know it is Dave.
Speaker 2: Michigan football feels like villaan Nova. Ohio State football feels
Speaker 2: like Kentucky basketball. With Calipari, it's it's become a glamour program.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, how fast can you? You know? And I
Speaker 1: hear the recruiting stories from these guys. How quick can
Speaker 1: you make me a number one draft pick? And how
Speaker 1: quick can I get out of here and go to
Speaker 1: the NFL? You know that's I mean the players that
Speaker 1: think about the players that came back last year. Blake
Speaker 1: Koran could have left. There were four j j there
Speaker 1: were four or five big time players at Michigan, the
Speaker 1: contributors that they're winning a national championship that could have
Speaker 1: left but came back because it was important to him
Speaker 1: and they wanted to finish playing. You know, that's unique.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban had that happen to him at Alabama. He
Speaker 1: had a lot of good players come back because they
Speaker 1: had that feel for Alabama and there was a sense
Speaker 1: of pride there, which it's tough to put into words,
Speaker 1: but it does definitely mean something. And I think that
Speaker 1: Ohio State to some degree has struggled with that, and
Speaker 1: you know, and obviously not beating Michigan donet help.
Speaker 2: Speaking of horrorball, he takes over the Chargers the NFL.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed this, but listen with
Speaker 2: their schedule. I think they do. You know if they've
Speaker 2: put Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers all over TV in the
Speaker 2: first six weeks, short week night games, which, as you know,
Speaker 2: is inconvenient coaching staffs, families and players. You guys don't
Speaker 2: want that, but it's the downside to having a star quarterback.
Speaker 2: You're gonna play on Sunday night, Thursday's, Monday night. It's
Speaker 2: a pain in the ass. So if you look at
Speaker 2: the Chargers, because they weren't great last year, they haven't
Speaker 2: given them a lot of TV games, But Dave that's
Speaker 2: first six weeks has a lot of rookie quarterbacks, the
Speaker 2: weakest teams on their schedule. It's as if they wanted
Speaker 2: Jim to pop that they gave him like and it's
Speaker 2: funny because I watched Jim. One of the things he's
Speaker 2: done and is the last two jobs San Francisco and Michigan.
Speaker 2: He didn't change the personnel much, but he changed the
Speaker 2: culture and the winning. What is his secret? Sauce and
Speaker 2: Parcels had this to do it instantly. A lot of guys,
Speaker 2: even Saban took like two years to get it right.
Speaker 2: Three years. Shit, Harbaugh does it in eight weeks. What's
Speaker 2: the sauce on that? How do you do that?
Speaker 1: Well? You know, he put together a staff. You know
Speaker 1: they're at San Diego. I'm sorry at the Chargers, LHR
Speaker 1: that similar to what he did when he first went
Speaker 1: to Michigan, a lot of guys that he didn't have
Speaker 1: to coach the coaches. I mean, he brought Jesse Minter
Speaker 1: with him, the defensive coordinator, And I'll be real curious
Speaker 1: to see how that works out there with the Chargers,
Speaker 1: because do they have talent with Bosa and Mack and
Speaker 1: Derwin James. I mean, they got star players at all levels,
Speaker 1: So they got a talented team. And he kind of
Speaker 1: had the same thing at Michigan. He did have talent there,
Speaker 1: and he surrounded himself with coaches where he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to spend time. And I've been us practices coaching as
Speaker 1: I say, coaching the coaches. You know, those guys come
Speaker 1: in there all bought in and the culture, and we
Speaker 1: experienced a lot similar We went to Dallas to Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys with Jimmy. Jimmy hired I think three guys from
Speaker 1: the outside. It was our entire defensive staff we went
Speaker 1: so we didn't have to waste time with saying what
Speaker 1: are we going to do when a guy jumps off side?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna run? A laugh? But we're gonna do updowns?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna yell? We're gonna repeat the We knew
Speaker 1: what we were gonna do. And and I really think
Speaker 1: that you can close the gap so much quicker with
Speaker 1: the football team when you have a staff and the
Speaker 1: guys around you that have been through it and won.
Speaker 1: And that's what Jim put together. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: got whether it's offensive coordinator, I mentioned Minter, the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: He's got guys with them, their linebacker he drafted his
Speaker 1: lot All American linebacker in Michigan. He gets Gus Edwards
Speaker 1: back with them. So he's got a group of guys
Speaker 1: in there that player wise and coaching wise, there's not
Speaker 1: going to be a whole lot of screaming and trying
Speaker 1: to explain what he's trying to get done. He's been
Speaker 1: there and done that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a good relationship with Jim Harble. I
Speaker 2: know he respects that. You you know, you're you are
Speaker 2: very much defense physicality. When you and Jim Harball have discussions,
Speaker 2: what are they about? What are they like?
Speaker 1: Oh? God, if you remember I did his first game.
Speaker 1: We did it out at Utah when the first game
Speaker 1: he had at Michigan, and he I went up there
Speaker 1: an interview I think for Fox, and I was the
Speaker 1: first guy that he would do a public interview with.
Speaker 1: And we just talked those stories and we laughed about
Speaker 1: some of the crazy stuff that when he was at
Speaker 1: the Bears. And I always told him I thought he
Speaker 1: could play linebacker because he had that aggressive, you know,
Speaker 1: ninety mile hour attitude, and you know he would want
Speaker 1: to get into a football talk. You know, he talked
Speaker 1: about him getting his hair cut at the same barbershop
Speaker 1: that Beau Shambreaker did, him driving to work the same
Speaker 1: route that Bow used to drive. So he was into Michigan.
Speaker 1: And obviously I think he's slept in those khakis, in
Speaker 1: the clothes that they wore. I mean, you know, he truly,
Speaker 1: he truly was all in it. But I think when
Speaker 1: you talk to Jim, he's very sincere and he's very honest. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I think he's what he says is what he means,
Speaker 1: and he's not gonna he's gonna wear it on a sleeve.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not gonna be one of those guys
Speaker 1: where you walk out of a meeting with him and
Speaker 1: you say, bo, I wonder if Jim really means what
Speaker 1: he said when he when he feels something, he's gonna
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 2: So you coach the Miami Dolphins and you still do
Speaker 2: radio hits down there, you know the culture. So there's
Speaker 2: a difference between a holdout and a quarterback holdout. Jordan
Speaker 2: Love in Green Bay, very young quarterback with young receivers.
Speaker 2: Two is not as young. He's been in the system
Speaker 2: now he started. How disruptive is it in your career
Speaker 2: a holdout to an elite player, especially an offensive player.
Speaker 2: Does it screw up the coaching meetings? Does it screw
Speaker 2: up momentum? The vibe? What do you make of Miami situation?
Speaker 2: Because they like the quarterback, but they may be ten
Speaker 2: million a year off, right and rightfully?
Speaker 1: So, I mean he's you know, I look at that
Speaker 1: situation and I say, number one, he has had injury
Speaker 1: problems in addition to the concussion thing. So that's that's
Speaker 1: a fact. You can't hide from that. But in the
Speaker 1: same token, the guy wins for you, and he's a
Speaker 1: great team guy, and you can't hide from that either.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Miami, I remember every year when we
Speaker 1: brought Dan Marino joined as a frontal office person, when
Speaker 1: mister Isazanda, the owner higher to him. Dan came to
Speaker 1: the combine with us and we were sitting there and
Speaker 1: the conversation was always we had to replace Jay Fiedler.
Speaker 1: We had to get better in Jay Fiedler. Okay, because
Speaker 1: at that time Indy was in our in our conference,
Speaker 1: we played Peyton Manning twice a year and we played
Speaker 1: Tom Brady twice a year, And how are we going
Speaker 1: to get better? He said, yeah. And so Dan, we're
Speaker 1: sitting there and he says, you know, let's talk. We
Speaker 1: talk about these quarterbacks. And I handed him a piece
Speaker 1: of paper. I said, here, and this is kind of
Speaker 1: what I would tell him now. I hope he does
Speaker 1: the same damn thing. He's working down there, now is
Speaker 1: he do with me? And he hit him and I
Speaker 1: hand him this paper. I said, here, who do you want?
Speaker 1: And he looked at it and he turned it over
Speaker 1: and looked at the Bank, and I said, damn, Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning's not going to be on there. You know, we
Speaker 1: can get rid of jap, we can get rid of
Speaker 1: Jay Fiedler tonight. But show me who were going to
Speaker 1: bring in that's going to fit in better, is gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, win more games for us. We're winning ten
Speaker 1: games a year. Tell me who's going to do that
Speaker 1: for you? So I think that's for Miami's that a
Speaker 1: little bit is that they're they're gonna have to overpay.
Speaker 1: I mean, no different than with Dallas is in there
Speaker 1: right now. I mean these quarterbacks they got these teams
Speaker 1: because otherwise you are starting over, and you start over
Speaker 1: in Miami, goodbye Derek. You can just start checking the players,
Speaker 1: you know, Tyreek Hill, start checking the players off that
Speaker 1: won't be playing at a high level by the time
Speaker 1: you can get another quarterback ready to go, and the
Speaker 1: coaches will be fired and who knows about the GM.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a total turn up, side down of
Speaker 1: a program. If you get rid of a quarterback that's
Speaker 1: one for you, you know, like a t or In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I'm jumping ahead a little bit with Dallas,
Speaker 1: but just like Dak Prescott, I guarantee you they're going
Speaker 1: through the same issues right there.
Speaker 2: Well, Dallas is weird because they've really backed themselves into
Speaker 2: a corner, Dave that you know, Jerry, more than any owner,
Speaker 2: pays the people he drafts, and that's great, but it's
Speaker 2: almost a need to validate his draft picks. I mean,
Speaker 2: Brett Veach is an excellent drafter. He's had no problem
Speaker 2: paying Joe Tooney going out and paying other Juju Smith Schuster.
Speaker 2: They'll go buy people all the time. And my take
Speaker 2: on Dallas is they've backed themselves into a corner that basically,
Speaker 2: outside of Ceedee Lamb, Dave, shit, he twists an ankle,
Speaker 2: that's the weakest receiving room in the league. And I'd
Speaker 2: argue it's the weakest running back room in the league.
Speaker 2: So they're really trapped on Ceedee Lamb. And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: throw this at you. Jerry's eighty one and he's gonna
Speaker 2: live another ten years, I'm sure. And I said to myself,
Speaker 2: I have this feeling that Jerry has said this. I'm
Speaker 2: not signing up for four more years of Dak unless
Speaker 2: Dak can prove to me he can win without the
Speaker 2: best line in the league, without Zeke in his prime
Speaker 2: and without all these receivers we furnish him with. And
Speaker 2: it's not as though he's sabotaging him. He's not sabotaging Dak.
Speaker 2: But what he's saying is because they only drafted one
Speaker 2: receiver and it was an area of need, then he
Speaker 2: drafted one. And my take is Jerry's saying, for this year,
Speaker 2: i may take us out of Super Bowl contention, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make Dak prove to me before I give
Speaker 2: him sixty million a year that he can lead us
Speaker 2: and not be led by others. Does that sound like
Speaker 2: something Jerry would do for a year.
Speaker 1: No, it dous. I'm going to have to disagree with
Speaker 1: you here. I think that Jerry. I think Jerry's looking
Speaker 1: at this thing and telling himself that if he gets
Speaker 1: rid of Dak. And he really came out and Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy is a friend, he's a Pittsburgh guy, but it
Speaker 1: was almost feeling that everybody that I'm talking to said, Okay,
Speaker 1: Jerry's gonna give him enough rope to hang himself, you know.
Speaker 1: And but we're so we're really not gonna not gonna
Speaker 1: do much to help your cause. Okay, we were a
Speaker 1: game away or you know, two or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it the last couple of years, but we
Speaker 1: haven't been able to get to the big dance. That's
Speaker 1: the goal. You're either going to do it or I'm
Speaker 1: going to get somebody else. So I think that that
Speaker 1: is real obvious to everybody. But here's the problem. So
Speaker 1: you you go ahead, get rid of the coach and
Speaker 1: don't sign back, and he leaves. Who you're gonna bring in.
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna take a chance on another head coach.
Speaker 1: And now you're starting to develop culture over again. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, your your lawrence to
Speaker 1: Martin on defense is ten years in the league, Zach
Speaker 1: Martin on offense. Your other leader is two years in
Speaker 1: the league. Those guys, their careers are over. So now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're you got Zeke Elliott. God
Speaker 1: bless Zeke. I love Zeke, But that's your running game.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I mean, that's not you. That's not
Speaker 1: going to give you a lot of exciting. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have a problem closing out games this year. You know,
Speaker 1: you get that lead, and you know, throw the ball
Speaker 1: to score points, run the ball to win games. Now
Speaker 1: we have a five point lead and we need two
Speaker 1: first downs and they can't get it. I see that
Speaker 1: coming on the horizon, and it's not gonna have a
Speaker 1: damn thing to do with Dak. Uh. You know, I
Speaker 1: think you gotta sign Dak. And if you make a change,
Speaker 1: if the coaching thing doesn't walk on and you got
Speaker 1: to add some players, at least you got a quarterback
Speaker 1: Jerry that in your mind you believe in. I think
Speaker 1: he does believe in Dak, and you have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to move forward and have a chance to make a
Speaker 1: run at it. You start over with a new quarterback. Uh,
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Speaker 1: Someone told me they're going to be like sixty to
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars of dead money next year. So you're
Speaker 1: not gonna have a lot of free agent money a
Speaker 1: year from that. And you didn't have any this year,
Speaker 1: didn't have any of this year.
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, Oh, I uh, you know what, I hear
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: Everything is positive. I you know, I would just say
Speaker 1: this that the Bear's fortune this year is not going
Speaker 1: to be determined by Caleb Williams. That's this is my
Speaker 1: opinion only. I think it's going to be determined by
Speaker 1: that offensive line and the defensive line. I think how
Speaker 1: that is going to be the determining factor if they
Speaker 1: go playoffs, if they don't go playoffs, I think Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams is going to play very good, very good. If
Speaker 1: Shane Waldron, let's let's not let's talk about what are
Speaker 1: we gonna do with this kid, Shane Waldron. And the
Speaker 1: only reason I have some hope is that Shane Waldron
Speaker 1: was on the staff obviously with Bill Belichick in New England.
Speaker 1: He was on the staff with Pete Carroll, two defensive
Speaker 1: guys that have an appreciation for running the football. Okay,
Speaker 1: So with that being said, the mistake that and I
Speaker 1: keep pondering here on my radio shows and TV shows, Well, guys,
Speaker 1: we've got to keep this in perspective. We've got to
Speaker 1: be smart with what we do with Caleb Williams. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have a defense that's gonna give him the football.
Speaker 1: We got a chance that we're going to a top
Speaker 1: ten defense. We are gonna give him the football. In
Speaker 1: ample field position and opportunities. He doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about. And we have great receivers. You know,
Speaker 1: when you go DJ Moore and you go Keenan Allen
Speaker 1: and you throw in Doonzay, I mean command a tight end.
Speaker 1: We've got outstanding receivers as good as to anybody arguably.
Speaker 1: But that, to me, that's not going to be the
Speaker 1: factor with Tayleb Williams. It's gonna be what are we
Speaker 1: going to ask this kid to do? You know, we've
Speaker 1: got to be balanced. No one in Chicago wants to
Speaker 1: hear me say the word balanced. They panic, you know,
Speaker 1: they think it's my offense of trying to run it
Speaker 1: fifty times a game. Okay, No, I'm talking about being balanced.
Speaker 1: They got you know, DeAndre Swift in the backfield. They
Speaker 1: got some real skill. But Caleb Williams shouldn't have to
Speaker 1: be the guy as a rookie to determine how far
Speaker 1: this team goes. You know, let's put in a nice
Speaker 1: offensive system because he does. And I'll tell you this,
Speaker 1: this kid makes good quick decisions. He doesn't throw interceptions.
Speaker 1: He never did in callege. Do you know all the
Speaker 1: college stats when at USC seventy some touchdowns and ten
Speaker 1: interception seven to one touchdown, the interception outstanding. Here's what
Speaker 1: he's going to have to do. At USC, he saw
Speaker 1: a three man rush between twenty and thirty percent of
Speaker 1: the time. By that rush, three drop eight And what
Speaker 1: did he run for when we used to run that coverage? Okay,
Speaker 1: we were always scared to death at the quarterback. Everybody's
Speaker 1: dropping out of there. He just going to take that
Speaker 1: ball and run up in here and run for the
Speaker 1: first time. But Caleb Williams is not that guy. Does
Speaker 1: he have athletic building? Yes? What did he average rushing
Speaker 1: in colleage? About a yard and a half a carry.
Speaker 1: You think back to the USC days. How many great
Speaker 1: long scrambles did he have. That's not his game. Here's
Speaker 1: what he's gonna have to do in the NFL. He's
Speaker 1: gonna have to buy into throwing to the tight ends
Speaker 1: and the running backs. Get the ball out quick because
Speaker 1: he's going to see a pass rush like he's never
Speaker 1: seen in his life, never seen in his life. And
Speaker 1: the fault that he did at you at USC, twenty
Speaker 1: third percent of the time they're dropping back eight and
Speaker 1: he's moving around. He's avoiding the rush, but he's trying
Speaker 1: to get the big play. He would not throw the
Speaker 1: ball underneath. As a result, sacks fumbles, that's what happens.
Speaker 1: So to me, what does Ttle Williams have to do
Speaker 1: to be successful. He's just going to make sure that
Speaker 1: he takes with Take the money. Well, he used to say,
Speaker 1: take what the defense gives you. If they want to
Speaker 1: drop in coverage, they're tempting you to throw it deep,
Speaker 1: you just throw it underneath. Take the money. We got players.
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen's a great little option guy underneath DeAndre Swift.
Speaker 1: Get these guys the ball and let him go. That's
Speaker 1: what he has to learn. And Shane Walter, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see when they start unfold this
Speaker 1: offense because I'll tell you what I was with two quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I was at Chicago when Brett Farb started Okay, and
Speaker 1: his offensive coordinator and head coach was Mike hongerm Mike
Speaker 1: was an offensive guy. We all know, offensive coordinator for
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. You know Bill Walsh, on and
Speaker 1: on Joe Montana. I was also at the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: when Tom Brady started as a rookie. So I've got
Speaker 1: two visions of competing against guys twice a year. One
Speaker 1: great defensive coach In Belichick, rookie quarterback. One great offensive
Speaker 1: coach Mike Poingram Bret Farb. Guess what both of them
Speaker 1: they were. It was run the ball a ton of
Speaker 1: screens Mike Holingram Belichick. They were running tight end screens,
Speaker 1: full back screens, tailback screens. And why were they doing that.
Speaker 1: They were gaining confidence with this young kid and just
Speaker 1: bringing them along. And they were playing great defense both teams, okay,
Speaker 1: and when they had opportunities with their playmakers to make plays,
Speaker 1: they did. But I think Brady and farmed gay confidence
Speaker 1: as they went through the process. And I just hope
Speaker 1: that we do this with Caleb. I hope we don't
Speaker 1: get into, Oh, we got great receivers of talent, let's
Speaker 1: let them drop back and let it fly. That would
Speaker 1: be a mistake for this football team, and it would
Speaker 1: be a mistake I think for this kid. Let's just
Speaker 1: take it one step at a time. We got enough
Speaker 1: talent and other areas to help this kid out the.
Speaker 2: You know it's I'm gonna throw this story at you.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really interesting and you know, inside
Speaker 2: a locker room, and there is something about the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: Howie Long says, you can't have two star quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: the same room. Each one sucks the oxygen out of
Speaker 2: the room. So Russell Wilson has never been popular inside
Speaker 2: of his locker rooms. I mean we know that now
Speaker 2: coaches players. Fields to the very end in Chicago was
Speaker 2: loved by his teammates. So Mike Tomlin has a dance
Speaker 2: to play that Fields is bigger, more athletic, in a
Speaker 2: better arm, but is viewed as the backup. Russell will
Speaker 2: get the starting nod, but he's a bit inauthentic and
Speaker 2: not as light in a locker room, and at this
Speaker 2: point in his career not as dynamic athletically as Fields is.
Speaker 2: And so it's going to be a weird balance where
Speaker 2: you don't want the locker room picking sides, but everybody
Speaker 2: loves justin you know it practice shit.
Speaker 1: I bet he looks great.
Speaker 2: I mean he's six ' four, moves well, big arm,
Speaker 2: and I wonder what Tomlin you know Pittsburgh. Well, it
Speaker 2: is a weird dynamic. If the players actually you know,
Speaker 2: he's young, he's not rich. The young guys will go
Speaker 2: out with Justin. They're not going to go out with
Speaker 2: Ciara and Russ in there. That's not what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: And I think to myself, if Russ loses about games,
Speaker 2: you know that locker room they like Justin Fields, that
Speaker 2: young locker room, young guys hang out with young guys.
Speaker 2: What's the bat? I think it has a powder keg
Speaker 2: feel to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, two thoughts on that. And I know
Speaker 1: Justin very well, and I was a fan supporter of
Speaker 1: Justin's here, But at the end of the day, your
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are determined by your team's down by ten, right
Speaker 1: with five minutes to go? Do you have a guy
Speaker 1: at quarterback that can take you down the field and
Speaker 1: score twice and win the game? Justin Fields? I hate
Speaker 1: to say I hate to even say this, but you know,
Speaker 1: if you look at his fourth quarter starts stat since
Speaker 1: he's been in the back, worse than a li interception, sacks, turnovers, no,
Speaker 1: I mean terrible. Justin Field is going to do things
Speaker 1: guys that gets get you out of your chair. Okay,
Speaker 1: He's gonna get you out of your chair in your
Speaker 1: living room. That's very difficult for you to do. Call it.
Speaker 1: I know when you get home, getting out of your chair. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you're going to put that vot get down and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get out of your chair. Okay.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, Russell Wilson is Wilson.
Speaker 1: Wilson's the guy. I'm a fan. This guy threw three
Speaker 1: touchdowns to one interception last year. What I was looking
Speaker 1: at it this morning, twenty six touchdowns, eight interceptions under
Speaker 1: adverse condition with Sean Payton. Let's face it, the guy
Speaker 1: was miserable, and he's gonna walk into that. You walk
Speaker 1: into the entrance of the not've been there, you know,
Speaker 1: sharing offices and fields with these guys for six years
Speaker 1: when I was at pit. You walk into that Steeler
Speaker 1: office and you see nothing but Super Bowl trophies. And
Speaker 1: Russell probably has a terrible towl under his front seat
Speaker 1: of his car. I mean, he's got the terrible towel going.
Speaker 1: I it's that will not be a problem. He he
Speaker 1: will buy in so quick, and Mike Toman will do
Speaker 1: such a great job of bringing him along. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you he's got an offensive coordinator now, Arthur Smith.
Speaker 1: This guy's good. I mean, he's really good and he's
Speaker 1: gonna do things. I think that re energized Russell. I
Speaker 1: think they'll have some plays for Justin Fields. I think
Speaker 1: he'll come in, he'll make a run, or he'll make
Speaker 1: a scramble or do something and get It'll get all
Speaker 1: the terrible tiles going in the stadium. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, to win a Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: win your division, it's Russell Wilson in my opinion. And
Speaker 1: I'm a Justin Fields fan. But I faced Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: going back to NC State days when he was down
Speaker 1: here and I was at pitt and we played him,
Speaker 1: so I know him well and I'm just a fan,
Speaker 1: I really am.
Speaker 2: Finally, this next eight weeks is the scariest eight weeks
Speaker 2: for football fans because there's almost no great news, but
Speaker 2: potentially disastrous news with injuries. What's the line you pushed
Speaker 2: to practice hard, build, build that moxie and metal, but
Speaker 2: to not get injuries? It's is it a fine line?
Speaker 2: Is it difficult?
Speaker 1: Well, you don't ever talk about injuries, and you know
Speaker 1: what when they happen, obviously it's your old company line,
Speaker 1: the next guy up. But I'll tell you what the
Speaker 1: mistake you make is by saying we're going to become
Speaker 1: a physical team. Uh later on, this is the time
Speaker 1: to do it. You got to do it. It's a
Speaker 1: game of blocking and tackling. You don't get many opportunities now.
Speaker 1: When the Bears are putting on the pads tomorrow, I'll
Speaker 1: be there for the first time, and you know, I'll
Speaker 1: be highly disappointed if I don't see these guys cranking
Speaker 1: it up and getting after. You know, I always told
Speaker 1: the players this, And think about this for a second,
Speaker 1: and I remember having this conversation with Jason Taylor, coach,
Speaker 1: how what's what's your thought for me this preseason and
Speaker 1: training camp? And Jason, at that time was a two
Speaker 1: or three or whatever, you know, time pro bowler and
Speaker 1: one of our captains and leaders or whatever. And I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, Jason, here's the deal. When I see
Speaker 1: you performing on the field with pads on, none of
Speaker 1: this pushing stuff with pads on, at the level that
Speaker 1: I know that you can need to perform for us
Speaker 1: to get to the Super Bowl. Guess what, Jason, You'll
Speaker 1: know it and your teammates will know it when we
Speaker 1: see you at that level on the field. I've got enough.
Speaker 1: Let's get ready for the opener and let's go. But
Speaker 1: you know, that was kind of the message that I
Speaker 1: would tell the players if that makes sense. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't care what you did last year. If you don't
Speaker 1: come back and have that quickness and have that explosion
Speaker 1: and have that power and you're not tackling and doing
Speaker 1: all the things that you're going to have to do
Speaker 1: with the opening week, then you're not ready. You're not
Speaker 1: ready calling. And that's that was what I told him.
Speaker 1: I remember, Jason, I am the conversation. I says, I'll know,
Speaker 1: but it just won't be me, Jason. I'll know when
Speaker 1: you're ready. You'll know, and guess what your teammates will
Speaker 1: know too, and they'll all say, wow, Jason's back, and
Speaker 1: then okay, let's get ready for the opener. We got
Speaker 1: you enough full speed work, and that's what we're talking
Speaker 1: about here, full speed. The trap is to say, oh,
Speaker 1: he'll be okay. I know him, Jason will get it.
Speaker 1: That's the trap you fall into. At least I've always
Speaker 1: believed that, and just avery place I've coached, that's the
Speaker 1: way we've We've never talked in terms like that. It's
Speaker 1: like I did to Jason, but that was the goal
Speaker 1: what we were trying to accomplish by doing what we did.
Speaker 2: The advantage to young teams in the NFL, they're cheaper
Speaker 2: and they often recover more quickly from injuries. The advantage
Speaker 2: to old teams you get smarter teams, more experienced, generally
Speaker 2: better situationally been there before. The Niners are the classic
Speaker 2: really talented, old, expensive team. They've got multiple guys that
Speaker 2: want to hold out. That's all I've heard in the offseason.
Speaker 2: Go to your career older teams, guys start saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is my last contract. They don't want to practice
Speaker 2: as much, they don't want to get hit as much,
Speaker 2: they want to get paid more. I think San Francisco
Speaker 2: feels like they're on that edge, Dave, where it's a
Speaker 2: really rich and by the way, even the guys that
Speaker 2: aren't old Debo Hofunga have had injuries. Guys start looking
Speaker 2: at their bank accounts when they've had those injuries, knowing
Speaker 2: if they have another serious one, the money dries up.
Speaker 2: Did you ever have a situation with a great team
Speaker 2: where it started aging and you felt that football was
Speaker 2: often the second thing they thought about.
Speaker 1: No, I can't say I have. I mean I think
Speaker 1: that would be horrible for our coach. I mean, I
Speaker 1: really do would that would be as bad as having
Speaker 1: guaranteed uh contracts for every player on your team, you know,
Speaker 1: and trying to coach them.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Fortunately, Uh No, I've never been in that situation. You know,
Speaker 1: when we won our first Super Bowl in Dallas, we
Speaker 1: were like the youngest team in the NFL, you know,
Speaker 1: so that that was around for a few years. When
Speaker 1: when I went went to Miami, we kind of revamped
Speaker 1: everything there to to some degree. But no, I've never
Speaker 1: been in that situation. Things have changed now, and and
Speaker 1: that's that's culture. I mean that that's where your head
Speaker 1: coach earns his money, you know. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: called friendly fire and football, in my opinion, And you
Speaker 1: can't stick you can't avoid it. I mean, if that's
Speaker 1: going on in San Francisco, uh Shanahan, you know, he's
Speaker 1: got to get in there and address it. And he's
Speaker 1: got to communicate with these darn players, and and they've
Speaker 1: got to understand that they the guy next to him
Speaker 1: is relying on them. And if you want to win
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, you know, everybody's got to kind of
Speaker 1: carry their into the load. Everybody's going to be your
Speaker 1: accountable for their thing. If you don't, you'll never win it.
Speaker 1: You'll never win it. You always come up short.
Speaker 2: So Belichick post Tom Brady didn't just struggle, he crashed.
Speaker 2: The offense was putrid, the coaching staff was retreads, he
Speaker 2: controlled the roster. It's fairly anemic offensively, So he didn't
Speaker 2: get any offers. And I'm curious, as a coach that's
Speaker 2: in his seventies, if Belichick and reportedly he wants to
Speaker 2: come back, what kind of job and how long do
Speaker 2: you think he would stay? Where do you think he
Speaker 2: is at now? Is the second winning his coach to
Speaker 2: Don Shula?
Speaker 1: You know what, you know, you hate talking jobs because
Speaker 1: then you're you're making a sound like you're talking about
Speaker 1: somebody losing their job, you know, And that's not what
Speaker 1: I'm saying here. But I think knowing Bill somewhat, and
Speaker 1: I know he talks with Jimmy some And you know,
Speaker 1: how many years is Bill going to coach two, three, four,
Speaker 1: five at the most. Maybe let's just for the maybe
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you know the thing that was missing at
Speaker 1: New England was Tom Brady. I mean, that's the reality
Speaker 1: he went through quarterbacks up there, offensive coordinators, the defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was all over the place. So if
Speaker 1: Bill does come back, it's going to be a place
Speaker 1: where they have a quarterback. And you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the rumors out there with with people talking about the
Speaker 1: he's gonna go to the Giants and he's gonna go here.
Speaker 1: He not going to go Dallas if that's if that
Speaker 1: doesn't get signed back, Bill's not going anywhere near that
Speaker 1: place and start over, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: who who were those teams? The Philadelphia maybe the Jets,
Speaker 1: you know, if depending what everybody says, I mean, well,
Speaker 1: who are the teams that have really good quarterbacks and
Speaker 1: good players where he can go in and uh, just
Speaker 1: because of his his background and his history, the guys
Speaker 1: are going to respond and because guys want to get
Speaker 1: a ring, and uh, they're going to buy in and
Speaker 1: buying quick. But he's going to have a quarterback to
Speaker 1: give him a chance to do that. He's not going
Speaker 1: anywhere else, people talking you know where where he's got
Speaker 1: to start over or the quarterback is average, that ain't happening.
Speaker 2: Ask yourself, this Harball leaves Michigan, which job does he choose?
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. They were lined up there exactly right.
Speaker 1: That was That was smart. Jim. Jim knows the drill,
Speaker 1: knows the drill absolutely.
Speaker 2: Dave, have yourself a great summer. You're going to remain
Speaker 2: in Chicago. Do some Big ten and Bear stuff, right.
Speaker 1: Big ten Bears. Yeah. Pro Football Weekly. Uh yeah, they
Speaker 1: Marquee Station, the cub station is going to start doing
Speaker 1: a football show. So I'm gonna do a little bit
Speaker 1: over there too. So yeah, we got a full slate,
Speaker 1: full slate.
Speaker 2: Good scenior coach.
Speaker 1: Okay, see you soon the volume.
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