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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Toronte

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Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftez and oh oh no please, and we

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Speaker 1: talk about the representation of women in film on our

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Speaker 1: We use the Bechtel test first of all, met made

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Speaker 1: should we test it out? Let's do it? Okay, Hey Jamie,

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Speaker 1: Hey Caitlin. Did you know that I regularly misused the

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Speaker 1: word whenever? No? Because I do, and our fans tell

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Speaker 1: it passes cool? So to get down to damn business,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about representation of women in scary families. Scary

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Speaker 1: families specifically the Adams family. So today we're covering the

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Speaker 1: film from ninety one. We have guests multiple plural. They've

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Speaker 1: together because they're the co host of Nerdificent. It's Danny

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Speaker 1: Fernandez and Iffy way Way Hi four told Crossover it

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Speaker 1: finally finally welcome during spooktober yah, Um, what are you

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Speaker 1: guys history with this franchise? Danny start, Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: but it was a picture of Gomez like swooping, swooping.

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Speaker 1: So that's like representation, uh huh. And then like right

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Speaker 1: Just getting into that beautiful Jamie. What about your time

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Speaker 1: That's actually pretty normal, right now, um, where did you

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00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: go to college? And then she's like, tutors, what was

422
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: your major? Spells? And hexa and she's like, we'll say

423
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: liberal Arts. And I was like, the comedy in this

424
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: movie so funny, But yeah, I actually liked that. Like

425
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: we see her be the one to go out and

426
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: get a job and try to support the family. She's

427
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: very often the one to find the solution for a problem,

428
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't know, her and gum

429
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: As have such like a functional good relationship where when

430
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: there's a problem, they split up the responsibilities and one

431
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: of themselves the problem. It's pretty easy, like when Wednesday

432
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 1: goes missing in that weird sequence where she ends up

433
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: sleeping on a grave and then they're like, well, anyways,

434
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: next scene, go Ma solves that one. What was that?

435
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: What does anyone know? Why? Why that happened? She runs

436
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: away to escape Fester because she got caught finding out

437
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: that Fester is an impostor. Again she had suspected it,

438
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: but then this is her confirming it because she walks

439
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: in on the right the shaving of the head, and

440
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 1: then so she runs away to avoid like being hunted

441
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: down by them. Yeah, that's how that happened. But yeah,

442
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, similar to Wednesday being suspicious about Fester, you

443
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: see Mortisia being eventually suspicious as well. Like she you

444
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: can just sense that she's not quite as on board

445
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: as Gomez is, because Gomez has been blinded by the

446
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: excitement of Fester returning and he like cannot look at

447
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: anything rationally. But more Titia is like, I'm happy that

448
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: he's home. But also this is a bit suss. She

449
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: takes him out to the graveyard and like warns him

450
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 1: of like just so you know, if you funk with us,

451
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: you'll be in one of these graves. And then like

452
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh okay. So she's a little visions,

453
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: you know. She like gives him a stern She's like

454
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: Christopher Lloyd don't. Also, this is the most I love

455
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: this family. They're the most confusing because it's clear that

456
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: they want to die, but yet they you know what

457
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, don't work with us. But then

458
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: it was like cyanide, like we'd run out, you know,

459
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: and it's just like you know, they clearly I kept

460
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: running into that with the Adams family values, because they

461
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: were upset they kept trying to kill the kid, even

462
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: though they wanted their kids to try and kill each other.

463
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is so and they like had a

464
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: had a background process for the nanny, and I'm just like,

465
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: why don't you want They're just they're very confusing. Maybe

466
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: it's a family rules where it's like it's like we

467
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: can kill each other, but strangers killed. I buy that.

468
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: I like that they there's so many rules of the

469
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: Adams family universe that just are blatantly unexplained to the

470
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: print where it didn't even occur to me to question

471
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: them because it's just like Cannon like went, we don't

472
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: know why no one else is scary they and it's

473
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: all so I'm like, how old are they? We don't know.

474
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: It seems like they might be immortal, but but then

475
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: also could be hard to say. Yeah, the wife, I

476
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: forgot her name, Toty's wife, right, I love Margaret that

477
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't respect her, so she left his ass. You know. Um, Also,

478
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: short guys do win? Look I date short guys. She

479
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: went for a guy shorter than her. Yeah, cousin it

480
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: because he treated her well. See, that's that's what we

481
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: want that's true because it's very respectful. You don't know

482
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: what happens when he flips that hair up. He can shredded.

483
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: Sh He's all dick. It's all dick. He covered in hair.

484
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: I choose to believe that even though he pronouns are

485
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: used for cousin it and I also think are used

486
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: he pronouns are used for a thing. Yeah. I think

487
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: that they are both genderless non binary icons. But you

488
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: know that's just my head canon. I had one more

489
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: thing on Mortisia before we moved on from her was

490
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: I liked that scene where she goes to Wednesday school.

491
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: This is when we find out where that Wednesday has

492
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: made like a school project about her great aunt Calpurnia,

493
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: who was burned as a witch in seventeen oh six.

494
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: They said she danced naked in the town square and

495
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: enslaved the minister. But I like that they're in this

496
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: phase where Mortisia is being set up by the teacher

497
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: to like be worried about her daughter and like call

498
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: her weird and say like, oh, something is wrong, and

499
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: Mortisia just, I don't know it's weird because it is.

500
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: She does know what's happening, but she just totally steamrolls

501
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: it very calmly, and she's just like, oh, yeah, isn't

502
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: that the coolest fucking thing you've ever seen in your life?

503
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: My daughter is so great. And then the teacher is

504
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: just like like the teachers just pokemon stunned and they

505
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: move on. Like there's like she has a lot of

506
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: moments like that where you know, she knows what's going on,

507
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: but she's like not even going to get into an

508
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: argument about it, and she's so like cool and collected

509
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: that no one ever challenges her. It's the it's aspirational.

510
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: More Titia is so great the movie, though both this

511
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: and its sequel are the stories are focused, I would say,

512
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: largely on the relationship between Fester and Gomez. So even

513
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: though we have these great female characters, the narrative is

514
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: focused on like the patriarch of the family and then

515
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: his brother. You know that I found especially maybe sure

516
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: that's the first movie. Sequel could have been about something

517
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: more focused on more Tissue, which actually they hire a

518
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: nanny because more Tissa is like, I would like to

519
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: pursue some interests outside of the home, and we're like, okay, cool,

520
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: that's cool. But then she never does anything. So that

521
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: was um the big frustration for me for Adam's family values.

522
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, both movies are about like they're focusing

523
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: on these male relationships, so the female characters end up

524
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: being more supporting roles rather than you know, the heroes

525
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: of the story. The you know, and it's an ensemble cast,

526
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: but um, the focus is still on men and male relationships,

527
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny because I think, like the

528
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: iconic characters from this franchise are to female characters. Wednesday. Yeah,

529
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: so like, in spite of the way that these movies

530
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: are are written, it's still like cream rises to the top.

531
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: Although I love going As so much too, Pugs, I

532
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: can kind of it's like the least cause played character.

533
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: I do think that it's weird that it's the same

534
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: like story. I almost feel like the Studio because it's

535
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: about Fester essentially listening to a woman who takes him

536
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: away from his family. That's like both stories, Like I

537
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: just found because I watched them back to back the

538
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: other night and I was like, this is is like

539
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: the same thing. He's listening to a woman that wants

540
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: to take him away from his family. Like it's just

541
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: fascinating to me like being on the other side of

542
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: it now that the studio wouldn't be like, hey, so

543
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: maybe let's change this more. But they're like worked the

544
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: first time. Let's see what happen, And it is cool that,

545
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: like you have parody between men and women as far

546
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: as like there are female villains in both movies. And

547
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: then like also in the first movie, like Tully ends

548
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: up being irredeemable, but then also like Fester, who is

549
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: in on the scheme in the first place because he

550
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: doesn't know that he's actually in Adams, he ends up

551
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: being redeemable. So it's like there's nice, a nice balance there,

552
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,719
Speaker 1: Like we all, I always like to see a female villain,

553
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: assuming they're handled responsibly, which is when I think mostly

554
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: it is I think she's a good female, like because

555
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: you're always worrying like, oh, is this going to be

556
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: a female villain that is like relegated to only using

557
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: her sexuality as a weapon or like what but but

558
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: this is a I mean, abigailis a goofy villain, major goofibes.

559
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: And then there's also that bizarre like that sexual tension

560
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: between her and Fester that you're like where she well,

561
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: there are all those scenes where she's getting real close

562
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, to me, she's shaving, she's

563
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: shaving him, she's shaving him down to you know, his skin,

564
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: and being like, tell mommy you love her. Yeah. There's

565
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: also I mean, this is maybe a stretch, but I

566
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: feel like there's the light suggestion that the villain, who

567
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: is a woman in the first movie, is so baby

568
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: crazy that she will kidnap an adult man and raise

569
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: him as her son. Yeah. I was like, um, okay,

570
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: but it is very funny to me that Fester would

571
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: have been an adult when she found him, and then

572
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: she's like, but you're I'm your mommy, mommy. Going back

573
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: a little bit to Gomez and how he is this

574
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: really sensitive father, I think by that same token, one

575
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: of the things that endears us to Fester is that

576
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: he takes an interest in the children in like this

577
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: very nurturing role. Um, because nurturing relationships like that with

578
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: children are usually relegated to female characters. So the fact

579
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: that it's we get to see this random uncle who's

580
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: been gone for twenty five years, who would have never

581
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: met those children, was like, yeah, but you're nice and

582
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: I like you, and let's I'm gonna teach you about scabs, which,

583
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: by the way, Jamie, I know at the topic of interest,

584
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: does it you know, it's it's getting to be Halloween,

585
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: and we have to reevaluate once again. Does beetlejuice come

586
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: wet scaps or dry scaps? Thoughts? And we don't. We're

587
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: so sorry to bring talk about It's definitely scabs. So

588
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: you're so sure that juice comes scabs? Yes, in the

589
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: real and in how are you? How do you talking

590
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: about this mathematically based on the assumption, which we've deduced

591
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: to be mostly true, that beetle juice comes scabs. Do

592
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: you think that bee juice would come wet scabs? I

593
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: think like like a laser jet printer printing a lot

594
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: of full color photos, or dry scabs, which would be

595
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: like a deck of Tarot cards being shuffled. Do you

596
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: remember the commercial in the nineties for creepy Crawlers. That's

597
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: what I think. He comes like those jelly little crawley

598
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: spiders that you could like bake in the boy's equivalent

599
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: of an easy bake oven or whatever they have. So

600
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: you're saying wet but also hot. No, they were like

601
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: they were like they were like gummy. It was a

602
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: gummy so you put it in the sas or out

603
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: of the equation. Yeah, I'm sorry, he comes creepy crawlers.

604
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: See how there's boys that's unfortunately not canon, Danny, that

605
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: there's boys that when clearly I owned one of the

606
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: I do want to, you know, quote my my algebra

607
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: teacher and say show your work, because I need to

608
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: know how we got to the scabs. I've got. I mean,

609
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: I've got. First of all, look at the man. He's

610
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: covered in scabs, covered in scabs. We have no reason

611
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: to believe that he wouldn't come scabs. More guys is

612
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: not can Thanks for playing everyone, but try again next

613
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: year definitely comes scabs, all right? When when I when

614
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: we have the writer people juice on Nertificent and we

615
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: ask all our loyal listeners who send in their pictures

616
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: every year with their team dry Scabs and Team Wet

617
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Scabs T shirts. It's a whole team pus rise up,

618
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: but no shirts for you. Don't be afraid. Don't be

619
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: afraid to come us the scot there's a book about

620
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: scabs in this movie, flipping through it's it's one of

621
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: the ways that Fester bonds with his niece and nephew.

622
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: We have smelled your scabs before, so good. We got

623
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: to take a break, but we'll come right back. And

624
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: we're back. We're back, and we're gonna we cannot refuse.

625
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to cut this out. It is important Halloween discourse.

626
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: One of the last things I wanted to bring up

627
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: is So and Danny. You touched on this a bit

628
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: as well. But Um, Gomez, the character and the actor

629
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: who plays him, Raoul Julia are Latin X. There's an

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00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: article in teen Vogue by writer Ella Serone entitled The

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Speaker 1: Adams Family's Gomez Adams was my first glimpse of Latin

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Speaker 1: X representation, and I just have a few quotes that

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Speaker 1: I'd like to read from that. Um there was Gomez Adams.

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Speaker 1: He was the first time I ever saw my own

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Speaker 1: dad reflected back to me on a big screen. The

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Speaker 1: prevalence of solid Latin X fathers in pop culture is

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Speaker 1: meager now. For every Jane the Virgin storyline, there are

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Speaker 1: also many more stereotypes floating around, feeding into the narrative

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Speaker 1: of machismo and patriarchy that so many of us are

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Speaker 1: trying now to course correct. When the first Adams Family

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Speaker 1: movie first debuted appropriate representation was rarer. Still, No, Gomez

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Speaker 1: was not a realistic father per se. The family pet

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Speaker 1: was a disembodied hand, but he was a devoted one.

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Speaker 1: The fact, and here's another quote from the same article,

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Speaker 1: the fact that Gomez was played by a Latino X

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Speaker 1: actor was not lost on me either. Julia accentuated his

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Speaker 1: Puerto Rican accent and speech patterns in order to heighten

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Speaker 1: the character's theatricality. With all due respect to John Aston

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Speaker 1: and Tim Curry, who have also played the character, all

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Speaker 1: other interpretations of Gomez were aberrations. In my mind, I

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Speaker 1: understood Gomez to be Latin X like my dad because

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Speaker 1: that is what I knew, and he still is now

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Speaker 1: that Oscar Isaac is voicing him in the new animated movie,

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Speaker 1: which is why we are covering this uh Adam's family

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Speaker 1: right now because of the new animated movie that's coming out.

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Speaker 1: So I thought that was worth mentioning um because of

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Speaker 1: the little and not good representation generally of Latin X

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Speaker 1: characters in media. I love the fact that they did

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Speaker 1: keep Oscar Isaac and I think I can't predict the future,

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Speaker 1: but I think that he will stay um not Oscar.

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Speaker 1: I wish that they had a live action of him.

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Speaker 1: I kind of wish the cartoon, but I think Gomez

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Speaker 1: will stay latin x like for the next decade at least.

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Speaker 1: I mean, his name is Gomex. But in my mind,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, so is Wednesday Latina? Um? Possibly, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna We're gonna claim her. Chloe Grace Moretz is

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Speaker 1: out because she's who voices Wednesday. Rewrite it instead of Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: She's miracles now nice. The whole time trying to do

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Speaker 1: that joke, I was remembering the song I learned in

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Speaker 1: Spanish class, Days of the Weeks Luon Martes miracles virness.

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Speaker 1: Uh what Luna lu luncleless. Yeah, you know that's the song.

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Speaker 1: Svine was Lunes Martes miracles vierness, the fourth one sin

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Speaker 1: the days of the week. Wow, I can't believe I

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Speaker 1: forget Friday. No, you said Fridays, So what's Thursday? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh that's why I'd like, let it miracles vierness the

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Speaker 1: days of the week. Beautiful. Someone's probably like cramming for

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Speaker 1: their Spanish final and then they're listening to this, They're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'll save me. You're welcome every find

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Speaker 1: Senora Martinez. Can I listen to podcasts while I take

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Speaker 1: this test? It takes we have so many seventh graders

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Speaker 1: taking Intro to Spanish as our listener. Yeah. Um. One

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Speaker 1: of the last things I wanted to say was, um,

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Speaker 1: I think it's very cool to see female characters like

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Speaker 1: more Titia and Wednesday being interested in like dark, morbid things,

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Speaker 1: because most movies are showing women and girls being interested

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Speaker 1: in things that are like very traditionally feminine, which is great.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that we only see that and the

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Speaker 1: fact that that's like a societal expectation, you know, it's whatever,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I just like to see more Titia

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Speaker 1: and Wednesday they love death. Yeah. Well, that was something

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Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up as well, just because I

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Speaker 1: was trying to research how the um, how the adaptations

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Speaker 1: have differed, and it seems like this is the adaptation

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Speaker 1: that really like did the most right. And actually, as

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Speaker 1: we see on this podcast all the time, where like

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Speaker 1: adaptations are done lazily or poorly or and do a

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Speaker 1: disservice to their female characters, this actually does a pretty

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Speaker 1: cool job of reversing some of the more trophy female

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Speaker 1: roles that are present in the TV series UM, where

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Speaker 1: Morticia doesn't really have the same presence and parody in

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Speaker 1: the household as she does in this movie. And also

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Speaker 1: um because Wednesday is like very morbid and I think,

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Speaker 1: very similar to the Christina Ricci character in the original cartoons,

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Speaker 1: but in the TV series she was kind of like

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Speaker 1: femed up a little bit. Uh. They make her more girly,

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Speaker 1: they make her more cute, see, and they kind of

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Speaker 1: strip her of those really dark um like interest that

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Speaker 1: Christina Ricci's character has. So I thought that that was

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Speaker 1: like a cool positive thing that the movie did was like,

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Speaker 1: first of all, stay loyal to its source material in

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Speaker 1: a way that really served it. And also just like

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Speaker 1: let the female characters be like dark and funked up

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Speaker 1: and cool and not have it be this you know,

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Speaker 1: point of contention for the story. This was also a

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Speaker 1: time in the nineties when like riot girl culture was

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Speaker 1: coming up, um and so I think like having women

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Speaker 1: like rebelling being into more darker things and like grunge

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Speaker 1: and um, I imagine that that influenced part of this

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Speaker 1: that grandberries culture is on the right ninety one and

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Speaker 1: this movie is also co written by a female writer

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Speaker 1: who Caroline Thompson is co written with Larry Wilson. But

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Speaker 1: Caroline Thompson has a pretty like crazy screenwriting record for

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Speaker 1: like this era of movies. Specifically, she was in the

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Speaker 1: spooky movie genre. She co wrote Edwards Scissor Hands. She

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Speaker 1: care wrote the Adams Family should cover at the Secret

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Speaker 1: Garden Nightmare before Christmas, Uh Corpse Bride like and and

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Speaker 1: the twist welcome to Marwin we don't know or We'll

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Speaker 1: welcome to. Isn't it always so crazy that whenever there's

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Speaker 1: a good representation of women in film, there's usually a

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Speaker 1: woman who co wrote it. It's almost like, m I

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Speaker 1: wonder what. That's My favorite thing in Adam's Family values

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Speaker 1: is when she's like, Debbie, you enslaved Fester, you took

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Speaker 1: him away from us, and that I can forgive but

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Speaker 1: pastels and she kicks her out, Like that's my favorite part.

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Speaker 1: She's so okay. Another thing, she's an icon for her

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Speaker 1: meme of her sipping tea. I've seen so many people

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Speaker 1: use that on Twitter than more Tisias sipping the tea.

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Speaker 1: Love it. That's the way to really establish a legacy

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Speaker 1: is to have a good gift of you sipping tea

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Speaker 1: because that means he will never truly die ever. Does

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Speaker 1: anyone have any other final thoughts about the film? I

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Speaker 1: want to see, Um, I forgot is it Melissa? Somebody

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Speaker 1: did a grown up Wednesday Adams, But I really hope

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Speaker 1: that that was Melissa Hunter? Right, Yeah, I want that.

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Speaker 1: I want to see her what her life is like now,

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Speaker 1: like a spin off. Yeah, we should, let's write it

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Speaker 1: about together iconic hell yeah. Uh does this movie pass

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test? Yeah? It does. There are a few

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Speaker 1: different combinations more. Tisha talks to Granny, her mother. She

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Speaker 1: talks to Margaret about the finger trap and the charity auction.

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Speaker 1: She talks to Wednesday. She talks to Wednesday's teachers we

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Speaker 1: mentioned who has given a name Susan Perkins. They talk

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Speaker 1: about Wednesday. Um. A lot of the conversations between female

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Speaker 1: characters are about like Fester if he is an impostor,

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Speaker 1: or they're talking about their dad or you know, something

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Speaker 1: like that. But there are a few exchanges that definitely passed. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's like it's one of those things where you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not as much as it should and I wish

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Speaker 1: I genuinely wish that you had gotten a little more

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Speaker 1: between more Tissia and Wednesday, specifically because you see moments

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Speaker 1: where they're supporting each other and having each other's back,

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Speaker 1: but you don't actually get to see that just the

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Speaker 1: two of them together, um really much at all. So

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Speaker 1: I wish that there was more of that. But that's that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for for ninety one, this movie, uh like

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Speaker 1: really holds up. I thought, yeah, they're there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the nineties were so ripe with so much problematic stuff,

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Speaker 1: and especially comedies which were so about punching down to

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Speaker 1: marginalize people. So the fact that this movie doesn't subscribe

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Speaker 1: to that, the most regressive thing probably is more Tisha

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Speaker 1: get Dam's old and having to be rescued by her husband.

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Speaker 1: Um yeah than that. Like, yeah, it pretty much, and

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Speaker 1: it subverts a lot without making a big show of it.

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Speaker 1: Like it just I don't know. It's it's a fun movie.

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Speaker 1: It is, and queer icon cousin it will say it,

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Speaker 1: and the Thing as well at it. Yeah. I love that.

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Speaker 1: When the Thing was tapping stuff out in Morris Cota

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Speaker 1: was like things working over time this week. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Oh goodness, let's write the movie on our nipple scale

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Speaker 1: zero to five nipples. Based on its representation of women,

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Speaker 1: I would say because there's the same number of major

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Speaker 1: female characters as there are male characters, that's pretty rare.

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Speaker 1: Um the fact that we do see a lot of

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Speaker 1: subversions of tropes. We have these great, iconic female characters,

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Speaker 1: and yet the story isn't really about them. It's more

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Speaker 1: focused on the male characters and their relationships, you know.

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Speaker 1: So I think I think it's only like maybe a

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Speaker 1: two and a half. It's like, right, I hate to

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Speaker 1: give a nipple score that's right down the middle, but

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Speaker 1: that's what I've decided to do here today. So I

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Speaker 1: will give one nip to mor Tisha, one to Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: and I will give my half nipple to cousin. It's cool.

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Speaker 1: The end, I'm gonna do three and a half. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I was very um psyched to I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm probably like also a little

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Speaker 1: bit like you never expect a movie from to like

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Speaker 1: really hold up and not feel and like be like

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Speaker 1: I'm going to watch this and never feel bad about it,

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Speaker 1: Like this is great. But I think it is like

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Speaker 1: a pretty impressive feet that um yeah that, I mean

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Speaker 1: the two best remembered characters, and I think the two

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Speaker 1: best loved characters from this franchise are two women who

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Speaker 1: are um while you know, like underwritten in some respects,

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Speaker 1: are for the most part. I mean they have command

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Speaker 1: of For Mortitia, it's her family and and and of

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Speaker 1: her marriage as well, and she's very much an equal

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Speaker 1: in every way and also seems to kind of be

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Speaker 1: in charge in in a lot of ways. Wednesday is

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Speaker 1: super smart, also supported by her family, and how smart

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Speaker 1: and like funked up and weird she is in all respects.

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Speaker 1: I gave it too low. Why don't you do two

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Speaker 1: and a half? What am I thinking? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: let me persuade you. Uh. And and I also think that,

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Speaker 1: like the male characters in this movie are really well written.

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Speaker 1: Like it. You know, if you're looking for an example

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Speaker 1: of what a great father is, I think you can't

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Speaker 1: do better than Gomez Adams. He's yeah, I'm sure he's

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Speaker 1: a little gullible if you say you're his dead brother,

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Speaker 1: but then it turns out you're his dead brother. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's like no toxic masculinity in this movie. Really, they're

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Speaker 1: kind of true and like Pugsy. I mean, he is

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Speaker 1: very fine with being electrocated by his sister. He isn't

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Speaker 1: I feel like little boy, Like young young boy characters

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Speaker 1: are kind of often made out to be emasculated by

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Speaker 1: their sisters or female classmates or whatever it may be.

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Speaker 1: And Pugsley and Wednesday are again I think, kind of

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Speaker 1: similar to uh, Mortisia and Gomes where their equals and uh,

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Speaker 1: the woman's kind of doing a little more in a

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Speaker 1: lot of cases. And yeah, I don't know, I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's great female villain. I gotta I got

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Speaker 1: three and a half. I almost want to say for

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Speaker 1: I'm three and a half nips. I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: one to Wednesday, one of Morticia, one of Gomez, and

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Speaker 1: a half to the thing. Hell yeah, I'm gonna switch

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Speaker 1: mind to three and a half. Also, I made a

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Speaker 1: mistake earlier. I'll admit it. I've never this is my

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Speaker 1: first mistake, but here it is. Um So, whoever's you

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Speaker 1: know keeping track of our Wikipedia page and the recording. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: three and a half, And I'll give my extra nipple

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Speaker 1: to um Granny because I think we could have seen

841
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more her, you know, older women representation.

842
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: It's there, but it's not that strong, So let's I

843
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: want Granny to be a bigger part of the narrative

844
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: next time. It yea three and a half for me too.

845
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was great, Like I said, yeah,

846
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: it could have been like a stronger plot line for

847
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: the women featured in the film. You know, there's like

848
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: that light naggie woman nous to the bad female characters are.

849
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: But but you know, I don't. I think it's in

850
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: the way where it's like, you know, fat and salt,

851
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: you sparingly so you know, not too bad. But yeah,

852
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: I rocked it. Love more Tissia, Love Wednesday. But yeah,

853
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: I guess one nipple to Wednesday, two to more Tissia,

854
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: and uh I have to cousin it too, you know,

855
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: since everyone's doing it, I'll give cousin. It's just one

856
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: big nipple under Their part of the thrill is the

857
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: mystery of it a true true true They had their baby?

858
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what their baby? What? I'm actually gonna give

859
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: this four. I probably bias, but I feel like these

860
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: women affected so much of my life and my personality,

861
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: so much of my brand is them. I love Wednesday

862
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: just because she is the smartest person in the family.

863
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: You know, they gave that to a little girl. Um,

864
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: she's like the surry of her family. Like, she's great

865
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: at science. She's super into stem you know, she experiments,

866
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: she knows chemicals really well. She knows how to push

867
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: it just far enough that she doesn't actually kill her brother,

868
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: but clearly could. She could probably kill everyone in her

869
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: family if she wanted to. Um, she uses bigger words

870
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: than me, So I respect that. UM. And yeah, I

871
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: like Mortsia. I like that they kept her. Like there's

872
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: a way about her sexuality that doesn't feel like it's

873
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: a joke or doesn't feel like she's you know, I

874
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: love Jessica Rabbit, but like she doesn't feel like that,

875
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, like she feels like so heavily sexualized and objectified, whereas, yeah,

876
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: she's heavily sexualized, but like in an and in a

877
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: consensual way with the man that she's in love with.

878
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: And what I love about that is when a lot

879
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: of guys are like my queen, you know or whatever

880
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: on Twitter, like he actually treats her like a queen,

881
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: like he in the second movie, like you were saying,

882
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm something is wrong. I want you

883
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: to feel good too, you know after she had her baby. Yeah,

884
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,280
Speaker 1: I just I love like he was like, I would

885
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: die for her and like the way he says that,

886
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, he would literally die for her on

887
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: her for Yeah, she's coming every day. So I love that.

888
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I'm giving it a four two of mine.

889
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: Actually I'm going to give wait, how many I can't

890
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: do math, I'm going to give to to Wednesday, one

891
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: to more Titia, and one to is it Margaret for

892
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: leaving her husband, being a woman who realized that she

893
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: deserved better, leaving her husband for someone that would actually

894
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: take care of her and being happy. And it's a

895
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: queer relationship because cousin it is a queer anyway on board. Uh, well,

896
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: thank you to the both of you so much for

897
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: being here. Um, what would you like to plug as

898
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: individuals as a podcast? You name it anything? I think nerdifficent?

899
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 1: You know, listen, we're talking about a bunch of nerdy stuff.

900
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: If you like here and nerds talk about nerds stuff,

901
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: Listen to that. It's super fun. Danny's a treat. I'm

902
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: there too, uh and Horny Lord of Common just getting

903
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: that line up together. Sure, but yeah, we really like

904
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: to tackle. I think when Iffie and I started it,

905
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: we just wanted to. We were two people that I

906
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: feel like, uh got left out of the conversation a

907
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: lot as far as representation in NERD fandoms and stuff,

908
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's so much gate keeping that

909
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: now we get to talk about some of our favorite

910
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: topics with people that are making them, you know, talk

911
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: with directors, We talked with show runners, we talked with

912
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: voice actors, and it's just really cool that we're kind

913
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: of like taking the fandom back. Um, so if you're

914
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,399
Speaker 1: into that, and also it's a it's an educational it's

915
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: a fun you know, comedy based educational things. So like

916
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: if if you don't know a lot about Star Trek

917
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: or you don't know a lot about Buffy the Vampire Slayer,

918
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: you can listen to funny people talk about it. It's

919
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: a guilt free zone. I've like stepped into fandoms and

920
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: jack shit about and I was like, I don't feel

921
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: bad about myself. Yes, please let's listen to nerdificent. Thanks

922
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: again for being any individual socials you want to plug

923
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: or anything. I'm at MS Danny Fernandez, Yeah, Me'm if

924
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: you wid Way on Twitter and Instagram, if he's on Twitch,

925
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: if you like to watch people play video games, and yeah,

926
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: right on, and you can follow us on all the

927
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: social media's at backtel Cast. We are on Patreon aka Matreon.

928
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: It's five dollars a month. You get too bonus episodes

929
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: every month, and it's uh patreon dot com slash Bechtel

930
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: Cast and go to t public dot com slash the

931
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: Epectel Cast if you want to get those dry scaps

932
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: wet scaps shirts. And time for Halloween, baby, and even

933
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm beetle juice. We actually have a lot

934
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: of Halloween work, It's true. Uh and until next time? Uh,

935
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: what did we did? We never did the theme song.

936
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: There's some creepy and the cooky all together sky something

937
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: family clapped. I'm like wow, Okay, Caitlin's canceled me. Okay, bye,