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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Scott Besson says he's considering doubling

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Speaker 1: the twenty billion dollars of aid to Argentina. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is what happens when you have a cryptocer say we

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Speaker 1: have such a great show for you. Today, MSNBC's own

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Speaker 1: Alex Wagner stops by to talk about Trump overplaying his

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Speaker 1: hand on immigration. Then we'll talk to Congressman Brendan Boyle

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Speaker 1: about how the Republicans are losing the messaging war on

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Speaker 1: the government jut down. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: Somalia Duloitte has done a study. They've taken the temperature

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Speaker 2: on consumers and I'm going to shock you. After all

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Speaker 2: the stupid policies that Trump has been doing for a

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Speaker 2: whole nine months, you know, we get the worst consumer

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Speaker 2: confidence heading into the big hiring season of the holiday season,

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Speaker 2: and the economies look at bet.

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Speaker 1: The consumers have no common confidence. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: that twenty or forty billion dollar bill out to Argentina

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Speaker 1: should make everyone feel confident.

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Speaker 2: I really felt a lot of confidence as I last night,

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Speaker 2: watched an interview with the farmer talking about how they're

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Speaker 2: funding his competitors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel confident that this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a fucking disaster. So again, you remember, Donald Trump tends

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Speaker 1: to fire anyone who tells him bad news. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe he'll never see this. But consumers plan

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Speaker 1: to spend about ten percent less than last year. Seventy

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Speaker 1: seven percent expect higher prices. The other twenty three percent

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Speaker 1: are magged out on crack. Gen Z expects to spend

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Speaker 1: thirty four percent less. Well, millennials expect to cut thirteen percent,

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Speaker 1: and boomers, those boomers who love Trump, those guys, they're

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Speaker 1: going to spend about six percent less. Yes, Generation X,

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Speaker 1: they're bucking the trend by spending a little more. President

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Speaker 1: Trump's two reps are on everything because he is a lunatic,

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Speaker 1: and so we're seeing, you know, rules on everything, apparel,

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Speaker 1: holiday decorps, toys. Remember when Donald Trump last year said

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Speaker 1: you might only get two dollars instead of ten dollars.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking about when like let Nick, all of

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Speaker 2: them were saying, just you wait and see in six

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Speaker 2: months of or on March, and oh wait, it's been

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Speaker 2: more than six months. Oh fuck, they will lied to

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Speaker 2: me again.

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Speaker 1: Wow, ninety deals in ninety days and that actually translated

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Speaker 1: to none or three. I don't know, maybe whatever. It's

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Speaker 1: all very lucy goosey here, except that everything costs a

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Speaker 1: lot more. But it's all so that Donald Trump can

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Speaker 1: have a slush fund that he can use for whatever,

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Speaker 1: because we have moved into a world with a government

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Speaker 1: that no longer follows the law. Thanks everyone, Smiley.

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Speaker 2: While I'm saying this next part, you may go is

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Speaker 2: mine Bill Murray am I in the movie groundhog Day?

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Speaker 2: And I will say, no, you are not. It's just

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Speaker 2: that the same thing keeps happening because we have the

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Speaker 2: most reckless, moronic government possible. And yeah, the AHHS has

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Speaker 2: now had to recall the wad Off health statistics staff

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Speaker 2: that they fired in the Friday Night massacre last week,

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Speaker 2: and the rehirings will continue until morale improves.

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Speaker 1: I want to point out part of when we looked

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Speaker 1: at how Elon Mush was costing us all these tax dollars,

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Speaker 1: this is why he was going to say this money

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Speaker 1: because you're firing people and then you're rehiring them, so

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Speaker 1: you have to pay for severns or you have to

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Speaker 1: pay to retrain people, or you have to pay to

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Speaker 1: re onboard them. You'll remember Elon mush who fired like

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Speaker 1: everyone in the world, and you fired people like the

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Speaker 1: people who predict the hurricane, who do this, who do that?

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Speaker 1: So now we have AHHS. I actually am happy that

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Speaker 1: they're rehiring the statistics, the statistic staff, because I've seen

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Speaker 1: Trump also fire people who know stuff and then never

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Speaker 1: or put in a trumper. So at least they're rehiring

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Speaker 1: the people. But yeah, every time you fire someone because

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Speaker 1: you're a Russ Vaught and you want to stick it

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Speaker 1: to the libs, taxpayers have to pay for that. By

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Speaker 1: the way, in case you're wondering, we're paying as taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: We're paying for a lot of waste, fraud, and abuse.

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Speaker 2: Baby, do you think this is a democratic agency? The

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Speaker 2: Health Statistics. I just can't keep track of which one's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are libtards right there, and the Bureau of

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Speaker 2: Well, I do have interesting news on this front, because

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Speaker 2: a judge has blocked mister Vaught from firing federal workers

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that judge, he's going to alligate or alcatraz.

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Speaker 2: I heard Jack pisobiak say say something about that over

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Speaker 1: Judge blocks Trump from firing federal workers during government shut

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Speaker 1: down for now. You know why because it's not legal.

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Speaker 1: So much of this is not legal. San Francisco US

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Speaker 1: District Court Judge, She's definitely going to the Hague or

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Speaker 1: the She's going to Gizmo. Jack pisobiac is going to

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Speaker 1: send her to Getmo.

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Speaker 2: That's what he was saying over the weekend when he

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Speaker 2: was rallying for the new Jersey governor candidate for the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, should a rally. So, look, I think it's important

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Speaker 1: to remember that so much of this they're doing is illegal,

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Speaker 1: im moral. If you stick around long enough, all of

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Speaker 1: this will ultimately be made illegal in court. The question

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Speaker 1: is when.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Molly, I want to take you back in time.

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Speaker 2: I want to see how your long term memory is.

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Speaker 2: I going to say a name. Do you remember this person?

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Speaker 2: Jack Smith?

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Speaker 1: All I can tell you is I don't want to

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Speaker 1: complain about Merrik Arlind, But since you've opened the door

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Speaker 1: to this Joe Biden put someone in the job who

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Speaker 1: was the worst possible person for the fucking job, and

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Speaker 1: that person very cautious and lawyer guy. Put another guy,

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Speaker 1: we got Jacksmith from Public Integrity. He was going to

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Speaker 1: solve it. Well, you know this.

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Speaker 2: Guy, one might say, the Mueller of his day.

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Speaker 1: The Mueller. Yeah, another disappointing figure from American life. So

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Speaker 1: one of the difference between the Biden and Trump case

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Speaker 1: is that the obstructive conduct in the case that I investigated.

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Speaker 1: To prove illegal possession of classified documents, you need to

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Speaker 1: show this is like a Jacksmith quote. Okay, you need

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Speaker 1: to show that the defendant possessed the documents wilfully. That

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Speaker 1: means Trump knew what he was doing was wrong. Smith

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Speaker 1: had tons of evidence of wilfulness. Oh really, you don't

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Speaker 1: fucking say.

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Speaker 2: So let's spell this out though, for those who are

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Speaker 2: not speaking that wonderful jargon of legal eese. He's saying

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Speaker 2: that mister Trump knowingly just took those documents, whereas Joe Biden, well.

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Speaker 1: My man knew what he was doing was illegal.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're saying here.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're saying, and you'll be shocked to hear that.

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Speaker 2: The speech comes as we're seeing that there's threats that

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Speaker 2: mister Trump is going to do to Jack Smith what

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Speaker 2: he has done to Leticia James, mister James comy, and

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Speaker 2: he's going to go after him next.

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Speaker 1: I think that seems very likely. But also that's and

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Speaker 1: we're going to fight. We're all going to fight, and

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Speaker 1: he's going to fight. But it's important to realize like

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Speaker 1: Smith had proof of obstruction, he had proof that Trump

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Speaker 1: that is certainly important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's important.

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Speaker 1: Alex Wagner is a senior political analyst and ms NBC

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Speaker 1: and the host of Runaway Country on Crooket Media. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to be joined by the host of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming Runaway Country podcast from Crookeet Media.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Molly. It's a delight to be here with you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to have you.

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Speaker 5: You're like back on the road, and that I mean

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Speaker 5: ish ish I'm talking to people across the country.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm not traveling like I was for other

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Speaker 1: But it is like a pretty fucked up moment in

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Speaker 1: the country in a way, because so my friend in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: you know who's who is working in the legislature, sent

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Speaker 1: me these these Instagram photos last night from the Chicago

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Speaker 1: she's very, very smart, and I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: I'm always like, what's going on with you guys, And

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Speaker 1: She's like, I can't say anything that explains more than

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so much of what's happening right now, for saw,

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Speaker 6: there's so much chaos happening, and it's all unfolding in

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Speaker 6: We're not talking to the people, we don't have characters,

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Speaker 6: we're not thinking about the human the humanity.

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Speaker 6: Right, as all this insanity plays out, part of it

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Speaker 6: when you think about when you read the next headline, right,

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Speaker 6: and we're talking to local journalists, we're expending our network

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Speaker 6: And by the way, we're not just talking to victims

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Speaker 6: people who are maybe they're National Guard troops stationed at

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Speaker 6: in the same way that your friend is like nothing

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Speaker 6: there's I think there's a collective numbness that's set in

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Speaker 1: But when you look at these photos of like these

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Speaker 1: National Guard troops with these kids, like yes, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: trained for this because Trump's paramilitary organization have you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, noted dog killer Christie Nome, Like I just

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Speaker 1: dog assassin, right. I wonder like what the thing I

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Speaker 1: think a lot about is like Trump believes, at least

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Speaker 1: his administration believes these photos help him, Right, That's why

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Speaker 1: The world thinks we are. I mean, it's not even

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Speaker 8: In the blend of the blind and one I'd ministering anyway,

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Speaker 3: Social sea yeah, it is. We're back in the nineteen thirties.

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Speaker 3: I love Hitler.

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Speaker 1: Racist, right, they're both. Turns out this crew is racist,

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Speaker 1: not surprising, anti Semitic. I've been raised, I've been I've

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Speaker 6: I remember I'm old, and i I'm old enough to

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Speaker 6: Well, when you have the phrase I love Hitler Leek

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Speaker 1: But so far they've been fine with it.

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Speaker 6: the extreme end of an ideology that the GOP's already

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Speaker 6: embraced and is acting upon like in real time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so in that way.

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Speaker 6: They actually like, that's that's that's that's like the most

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Speaker 6: extreme part of their brethren, right. Epsteine files get to

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Speaker 6: a foundational belief in MAGA world that there is the

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Speaker 6: elites are a secret, that the cabal of the elites

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Speaker 6: is out there to fuck over the rest of the

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Speaker 6: country slash just pornographically, illegally suck the lifeblood out of

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Speaker 6: the innocence, right and and so the idea, I mean,

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Speaker 6: first of all Epstein parts of it happened to be true, right, right, like,

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Speaker 6: so we should all care about you know, sex trafficking

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Speaker 6: and victims people.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the people in this it's like

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Speaker 1: Trump's friends from Alan and also Bill Clinton and you

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Speaker 1: know what, and Prince Andrew and take them all down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care like Bill richards you know,

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Speaker 1: for Bill.

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Speaker 6: Richardson, I think I think they they can't let that

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Speaker 6: go because it's central to the worldview that you know,

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Speaker 6: it's about destroying institutions and the elites that run them.

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Speaker 6: And it's of a piece with their the large project

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Speaker 6: of like gutting the federal bureaucracy, draining the swamp, et cetera,

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Speaker 6: et cetera. And so they're not going to let that

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Speaker 6: one go in the same way that they'll sit down

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Speaker 6: and shush up when you know, the racist texts emerge,

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Speaker 6: because that's actually like in service of the larger project,

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Speaker 6: which is to make the country wider, and.

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Speaker 1: The larger project, like that's how a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 1: and a lot of Christians made their peace with Donald Trump, right.

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Speaker 6: You know, I was talking to a Christian momb the

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Speaker 6: other day about Trump, and we were it was in

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Speaker 6: the context of the social Safety Net, and I think,

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Speaker 6: I think.

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Speaker 1: That rolling my eyes because it's so horrific. Go on yet, Well, but.

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Speaker 6: I do think the abortion thing, right, and they really

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Speaker 6: like that he overturned row, you know, like that is

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Speaker 6: part of and like, you know, the one thing about

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Speaker 6: pro life is like it's a very clear ideology, Like

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Speaker 6: they don't they see life as life from conception, and

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Speaker 6: they're unswerving about it. There's no gray area, right, there's

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Speaker 6: and there's actually and there's no there's no masquerading. It

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Speaker 6: is what it is, right, Yeah, And in that way.

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Speaker 6: It's a pretty clear cut ideology. And so it's I

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Speaker 6: think that that for example, this mom that I spoke

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Speaker 6: with that was that was her bright line. She was like,

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Speaker 6: I am that is life matters above all else. And

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Speaker 6: I can actually understand how if that's your issue, that

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Speaker 6: that's the guy that overturned mov Wade. He's trying to

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Speaker 6: get rid of Mith Pristowe in my prost in some ways,

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Speaker 6: in some ways not you know, but he's going to

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Speaker 6: further that agenda in the way that no one else

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Speaker 6: can at the cost of you know, you know, women's

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Speaker 6: health and bodyly autonomy.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know to go into all the counter.

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Speaker 3: For that argument.

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Speaker 6: But what I think is shocking to me in this

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Speaker 6: moment is I, as of someone who is raised Catholic,

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Speaker 6: so much of Christianity is about good works, is about community,

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Speaker 6: is about and it's like, I get the life thing,

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Speaker 6: I totally get it, but like everything else on the

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Speaker 6: agenda is so like vehemently and like just is so

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Speaker 6: in opposition to the most basic Christian foundations and ethics,

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Speaker 6: and like how do you make your peace with that dissonance?

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Speaker 6: You know, how do you? But that's I think what's happening.

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Speaker 6: Although you know, listen, never say never. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: do think we're reaching a point where you can't ignore

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Speaker 6: the brutality of the agenda. Right, it's really playing out

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Speaker 6: in red states and blue states.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna see you, right, I mean, yeah, we will.

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Speaker 6: I mean the Supreme Court doesn't allow like a massive

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Speaker 6: that doesn't rip down the rest of the Voting Rights Act,

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Speaker 6: and you know, gerrymandered house districts don't steal the election

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Speaker 6: for TWEP and twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: We'll see, yes, that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: We laugh to keep from crying.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Molly, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Congressman brand And Boyle represents Pennsylvania's second district. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: path politics, Congressman Boyle.

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Speaker 7: Great to be back with you, Molly. And it's been

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Speaker 7: too long.

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Speaker 1: We were just talking before this about sort of the

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Speaker 1: moment we're in. We have this shutdown. I was nervous

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Speaker 1: about this shutdown. I thought Democrats did not have the

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Speaker 1: paint tolerance too, because Republicans were like, we're just going

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Speaker 1: to kill the whole federal government, because that's what we've

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Speaker 1: always wanted to do. But a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: Democratic leadership told me they thought they were.

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Speaker 4: Bluffing, sorry, that they thought the Republicans were bluffing.

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Speaker 1: Well, Republicans were bluffing, and it seems like they sort

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Speaker 1: of are and they sort of aren't.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So first on the idea of the shutdown, let's not forget.

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Speaker 4: Republicans control the House, they control the Senate, they control

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Speaker 4: the White House. This is the Republican shutdown. I've supported

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Speaker 4: this in March. I even more so strongly support it now,

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Speaker 4: not going along with giving up a yes vote when

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Speaker 4: a metaphorical gun is pointed at your head. The fear

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Speaker 4: tactic on the other side that was used was that

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Speaker 4: basically they said, the Democrats shut up, vote yes, or

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Speaker 4: this bad situation will get even worse and will lay

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Speaker 4: off more people. Well they've been doing that for the

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Speaker 4: last nine months. Anyway, did you hear about dog? So no,

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Speaker 4: I refuse to go along. I also think that coming

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Speaker 4: off this summer, and I was very involved in this

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Speaker 4: fight as ranking member of the Budget Committee, pushing back

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Speaker 4: against what is a bill that's so deeply unpopular. Trump

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Speaker 4: is even abandoned calling it the Big Beautiful Bill because

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Speaker 4: it's something like thirty points underwater.

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Speaker 7: Go figure.

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Speaker 4: It turns out throwing fifteen million people off their healthcare

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Speaker 4: and making it more expensive for tens of millions of

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Speaker 4: more people just to pay for tax cuts for the

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Speaker 4: very rich, it turns out that.

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Speaker 7: Is deeply unpopular.

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Speaker 4: So I think that anything that we can do to

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Speaker 4: make that front and center is both right on policy

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Speaker 4: and write on politics.

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Speaker 1: You know, Lisa mckowski. Was it Lisa mccowsky who said

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Speaker 1: why should Democrat negotiate with Republicans? Or was it Susan Collins?

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Speaker 4: She may have said that, but Steve Woomack, a pretty

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Speaker 4: conservative Republican from Arkansas who's on the Appropriations Committee, outright

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Speaker 4: said that on the record, why would Democrats vote yes

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Speaker 4: if the very next day the White House and russ

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Speaker 4: vote can announce their rescinding what we just voted yes to.

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Speaker 4: So that is another part of this debate that probably

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Speaker 4: hasn't gotten as much public attention as the healthcare fight,

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Speaker 4: and understandably so, but it's really important.

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Speaker 1: Part of Democrats writ large problem is explaining that some

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Speaker 1: of this complicated stuff to voters because they just don't

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Speaker 1: have a ton of civic education. So explain what pocket

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Speaker 1: recisions are and why they've sort of undermined the power

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Speaker 1: of the purse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Molly, first, one of the reason why I

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Speaker 4: love talking to you is you're always so optimistic and positive.

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Speaker 4: So I can help give you some therapy here. Yes, good,

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Speaker 4: Let me explain recisions. Suppose, Molly, you and I make

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Speaker 4: an agreement and you're going to get X.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to get why. Okay, we shake hands, you

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Speaker 7: give me your vote. Deal.

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Speaker 4: The very next day, I say, yeah, that X you

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Speaker 4: were getting screw off, You're not getting it. I'm taking

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Speaker 4: it back. That's recisions. That's what the White House is doing.

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Speaker 4: Basically votes for money that we had appropriated from Congress

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Speaker 4: and was signed into law by President the very next day,

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Speaker 4: taken back from the White House. So what they've been

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Speaker 4: doing on recisions is illegal. There actually is, and this

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Speaker 4: really gets into the weeds. There is a process they

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Speaker 4: could follow that would make it legal, but they basically

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Speaker 4: refuse to do So why would that?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, why would they?

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Speaker 4: I mean they basically have to put it up for

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Speaker 4: a congressional vote within forty five days. But what pocket

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Speaker 4: recisions are is they just wait until under forty five

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Speaker 4: days left in the fiscal year and they run out

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Speaker 4: the clock. So it's really important in this appropriation fight,

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Speaker 4: this budget fight, that we get a permanent change to

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Speaker 4: ensure that the White House actually followed the law as

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Speaker 4: it relates to recisions, because what they're really doing is

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Speaker 4: taking away the power of the purse, which is the

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Speaker 4: most important thing Congress has. And when you look at

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Speaker 4: the way they've stacked the courts, when you look at

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Speaker 4: the way they have tried to go around the courts,

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Speaker 4: if you're able to give one stiff arm to Congress

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Speaker 4: and you're able to give another stiff arm to the

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Speaker 4: judicial branch, then what do you have? An all powerful executive?

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Speaker 4: And it's the end of checks and balances. So that's

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Speaker 4: why what seems like a really inside DC baseball fight

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Speaker 4: over recisions, pocket recisions, Empowerman, actually is a really important

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Speaker 4: fight about whether or not we're going to have a

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Speaker 4: completely all powerful, unchecked executive.

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Speaker 1: And that's a real question. I mean, I think that's

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Speaker 1: the goal of Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, we're pretty explicit about I mean, Russ Vote,

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Speaker 4: the Omb director, wrote most of Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 7: The reality is this has.

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Speaker 4: Been a fever dream for people like Russ Vote and

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Speaker 4: Steven Miller and some others for really a couple decades now,

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Speaker 4: and they actually have Donald Trump who is willing and

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Speaker 4: able to go along.

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Speaker 7: With their fever dream. It's very, very dangerous.

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Speaker 4: That's why this fight we're in right now again is

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Speaker 4: much bigger than any of the specific line items that

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Speaker 4: we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: One of the things about this moment that is so

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Speaker 1: incredibly disappearting is that we've been doing this for like

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Speaker 1: a decade of our lives. Right, Trump one point zero,

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Speaker 1: This is not who we are. Trump two point zero.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of who we are. You're trying to

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Speaker 1: like do stuff in Congress. You've got Mike Johnson, he

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Speaker 1: won't swear in the newest Democratic congresswoman. There's this Epstein petition.

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Speaker 1: If Badalva Grihava is ever sworn in, they'll sign the

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Speaker 1: discharge petition. Eventually it will get voted down in the Senate.

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Speaker 1: What's it like to just deal with these people like

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson? People like him. He seems like a reasonable guy.

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Speaker 1: That said. He's on television today saying he doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Corey Mills's second set of domestic violence

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Speaker 1: charges because he only wants to focus on serious stuff.

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Speaker 7: First. The last decade can be exhausting.

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Speaker 4: I forget sometimes that my first two years here we're

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Speaker 4: back in the normal era when Barack Obama was president

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Speaker 4: and it was the pre Maga era. So I know

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Speaker 4: that people can be exhausted about all of this.

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Speaker 7: I get it.

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Speaker 4: But I would point out even in the last decade,

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Speaker 4: we also did have successes along the way. Twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 4: we flipped forty House seats, won back the House, held

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Speaker 4: it in twenty twenty. In fact, won a Democratic trifecta

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. With the House, the Senate and the

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Speaker 4: White House, we're able to pass a lot of good

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Speaker 4: and meaningful pieces of legislation in twenty twenty one and

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Not the Voting Right Tact though.

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Speaker 7: No, unfortunately not.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you have a Senate majority of fifty

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Speaker 4: to fifty and you need every single Senate Democrat to

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Speaker 4: go along, that, unfortunately is just one can prevent you

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Speaker 4: from it.

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Speaker 1: And we had two Kristen Cinema and sorry, gone, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 4: But my point is though that twenty eighteen, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: even twenty twenty two, at a lot of levels governors

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Speaker 4: races state legislative races was not the typical midterm election.

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Speaker 4: Republicans were able to flip the House, albeit by the

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Speaker 4: narrowest of margins. Part of their dysfunction today is because

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Speaker 4: they only have a three seat majority. So my point is,

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Speaker 4: it's not like the last ten years has been all

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Speaker 4: maga uninterrupted.

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Speaker 7: Instead, it's been.

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Speaker 4: This really kind of very close, constant fight where the

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Speaker 4: margins are absurdly small. I mean, the look at my

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Speaker 4: state of Pennsylvania. You know, we're talking about under one

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Speaker 4: percentage point in twenty sixteen, Trump wins, one point two percent.

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty, Joe Biden wins one point seven percent

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, Trump comes back. The margins that we're

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Speaker 4: talking about are frustratingly, maddeningly close, but we can't give up.

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Speaker 7: The alternative is just too awful to contemplate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I mean, there are no choices, and

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Speaker 1: none of this is popular, though it has managed to

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Speaker 1: capture Like when you think about it, none of this

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Speaker 1: is popular, but there is no lane for normal Republicans

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Speaker 1: right pretty much.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean the Senate you occasionally have some, but

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Speaker 4: the thing that is pretty clear in this era is

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Speaker 4: that the overwhelming majority of congressional Republicans absolutely refuse to

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Speaker 4: stand up to Donald Trump, even when they know better,

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Speaker 4: because they are so deathly afraid of their dear leader

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Speaker 4: weighing in against them in a Republican primary.

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Speaker 7: That's why I have to say I give her a

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Speaker 7: lot of credit.

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Speaker 4: I really respect the way Marjorie Taylor Green has recently

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Speaker 4: been speaking out, because she's one of the precious few

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Speaker 4: who is on not just one issue on the Republican side,

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Speaker 4: who is actually speaking out against her own party's leadership,

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Speaker 4: including the White House. And so even though I think

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Speaker 4: she's an extreme figure and agree with her on very little,

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Speaker 4: I at least give her credit. But there are very

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Speaker 4: few Republican members of the House and Senate who are

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Speaker 4: willing to stand up and vote against this president. That's

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Speaker 4: why it's so desperately important that Democrats take back the

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Speaker 4: House next November.

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, Thomas Massey, Ran Paul Make that makes it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Libertarians are used to making everyone mad,

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Speaker 1: so they don't care.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's also something in the water, I guess in

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Speaker 4: Kentucky that explained Thomas Massey and Ram Paul.

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Speaker 7: But otherwise, you know, so far.

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Speaker 4: At least especially this term, Trump has had ninety nine

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Speaker 4: percent of Congressional Republicans going with him. As we get

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Speaker 4: closer to next election and they see there in real trouble,

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Speaker 4: maybe that will change. But again, the shortest way of

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Speaker 4: ending this nightmare is at the very least taking back

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Speaker 4: the House in twenty twenty six and getting ready for

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: How worried are you about the redistricting.

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Speaker 4: I'm very concerned about it. Look, I applaud what Gavin

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Speaker 4: Newsom is doing. Gavin, as a friend of you, known

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Speaker 4: each other a long time. He has shown real courage

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Speaker 4: and real leadership in this moment. I am sick and

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Speaker 4: tired of those on my side who embrace unilateral disarmament.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad that more people on my side are starting

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Speaker 4: to wake up and realize that era has to end.

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Speaker 4: We cannot have commissions in blue states and yet get

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Speaker 4: her teeth kicked in in red states. I believe we

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Speaker 4: should ban jerrymandering nationwide. I actually voted for that four

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Speaker 4: years ago, and a bill that was called HR one

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Speaker 4: had a lot of good government reforms, including a ban

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Speaker 4: on jerrymander. You would have independent, nonpartisan commissions in all

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Speaker 4: fifty states. But until we have a national solution, we

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Speaker 4: cannot have Blue states unilaterally disarming. And I would encourage

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Speaker 4: other Blue state governors to learn from the leadership of

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Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom and follow it accordingly. Because we see what

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Speaker 4: Republicans have already done in Texas and Missouri, they are

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Speaker 4: trying desperately to do the same thing in Indiana, and

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Speaker 4: in North Carolina and a number of other states. North

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Speaker 4: Carolina already has a deeply jerrymandered map, but Republicans are

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Speaker 4: so in love with jerrymandering they're going back to read

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Speaker 4: jerrymander the state they just jerrymandered only last election.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if Republicans are able to keep the House to jerrymandering,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine things don't end really badly for everything.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a possibility that I don't discount. I would

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Speaker 4: point out that the average midterm election over the last

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Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty years is a pickup of on average,

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Speaker 4: twenty three seats. Just the last twenty years, we've seen

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Speaker 4: a higher figure than that in terms of the average,

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Speaker 4: and the best estimate, you know, Republicans have a three

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Speaker 4: seat majority. Now if California, if that initiative passes, it's

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Speaker 4: so important that proposition passes that would basically cancel out

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Speaker 4: the Republican gains in Texas through their new map.

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Speaker 7: Even if you account for all the others, and even

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Speaker 7: if you.

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Speaker 4: Say that Democrats refuse the follow suit in Maryland and Illinois,

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Speaker 4: then it looks like Republicans would net about a five

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Speaker 4: seat increase from all of this jerry manderin you add

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Speaker 4: to do you add that to the.

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Speaker 7: Three seat majority they already have.

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Speaker 4: Basically they would be at high single digits instead of

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Speaker 4: low single digits. Yeah, that's enough. They could still hold on.

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Speaker 4: But if we do what we need to do on

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Speaker 4: our side, we should be picking up a hell of

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Speaker 4: a lot more than eight seats next election.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it is very unpopular what he's doing

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Speaker 1: now two.

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Speaker 7: To one, but we say it's unpopular.

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Speaker 4: Their agenda that they passed of the biggest tax cuts

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Speaker 4: in American history, paid for it through the biggest loss

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Speaker 4: of healthcare in American history and the biggest cuts to

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Speaker 4: other programs such as new nutrition assistance, student loan repayment programs,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. Most polls show that is more than twenty

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Speaker 4: points underwater. Some even show two to one disapproval over approval.

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Speaker 4: According to one professor who is quoted by CNN who

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Speaker 4: has tracked polling date over the last fifty years, he

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Speaker 4: said he has never seen any other piece of legislation

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Speaker 4: as deeply unpopular as the Republican tax bill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because a minute's insane. It's the largest transfer of

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Speaker 1: wealth wealth right poor to the ruge. So you're in leadership.

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Speaker 1: Democrats have had a little bit of trouble getting their feet,

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Speaker 1: sort of finding their feet. I listened to this Belt

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Speaker 1: White podcast that I hate. That makes me so depressed.

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Speaker 1: That is like all of them like being like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I always say, like they put the fun in fascism,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, oh, look at that tank,

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Speaker 1: it's so shiny. But what I think is interesting is

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Speaker 1: they even said like Republicans are not able to stay

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Speaker 1: on message the way Democrats are when it comes this shutdown.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen people like Hassan Piker, who's this wildly

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Speaker 1: popular YouTuber. I'm sure you know who he is. She

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Speaker 1: has been really hard on leadership probably you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: a little bit even I mean as hard as anyone,

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Speaker 1: and he saw Jeffries fighting with Mike Lawler and was like, hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what do you think that? What are the lessons here?

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Speaker 4: I welcome this fight, as you know, Molly argued for it,

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Speaker 4: both internally and externally. I think we have to be

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Speaker 4: caught trying people get that we want to save the

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Speaker 4: healthcare of the American people. I think we're on strong

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Speaker 4: ground and firm ground, both substantively and politically. And I

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Speaker 4: think in this moment, I would point out that even

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump, much of the frustration, it turns out of

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Speaker 4: Mike Johnson and John Thune. Even Donald Trump, sitting in

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Speaker 4: the Oval Office, when asked about the shutdown, said well,

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Speaker 4: it's about healthcare. Yeah, that that was the success of

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Speaker 4: what we've been saying. This shutdown is about healthcare. It's

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Speaker 4: about the fact that Republicans just passed the tax bill

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Speaker 4: that will throw fifteen million Americans off their health insurance

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Speaker 4: according to the CBO, and will increase premiums for tens

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Speaker 4: and tens of millions more beginning literally.

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Speaker 7: By the wayrus today in Idaho.

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Speaker 4: The very first state to send out their letters of

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Speaker 4: the premium increases. In my own state, I've talked about

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Speaker 4: how close Pennsylvania is, biggest battleground state in the country.

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Speaker 4: On the Obamacare exchanges, it is estimated the average premium

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Speaker 4: increase will be a one hundred to two percent increase.

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Speaker 4: That is stagers, if you're used to paying five hundred

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Speaker 4: dollars a month overnight, you're paying one thousand dollars a month.

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Speaker 4: So that's what Democrats are fighting to prevent, and Republicans

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Speaker 4: are so hell bent on pushing through with this, they're

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Speaker 4: willing to shut down the government in order to make

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Speaker 4: sure it happens.

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Speaker 1: ComRes mcboil, will you come back always?

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Speaker 7: I'm happy to do it.

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Speaker 6: No more perfectly.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Cannon Smiley, I am kind of obsessed with this

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Speaker 2: idea of the Trump administration trying to make Antifa into

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Speaker 2: a thing that is a real thing that's running around America.

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Speaker 2: But really, we all know that this is a way

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Speaker 2: that they can make a designation to start to round

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Speaker 2: up their enemies and pretend that people with signs that

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Speaker 2: rallies are a real threat to them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this thing where Trump really really

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Speaker 1: wants to prosecute Democrats and he can't think of a

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Speaker 1: way to do that, so BONDI has made up something

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Speaker 1: called Antifa, which is not real. She says, it's no

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Speaker 1: different than MS thirteen. That is not true. That is like,

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not true. It's like what is more

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Speaker 1: not true than not true? Like what is it's not

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Speaker 1: even like anywhere near true. It's like it's not even close.

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Speaker 1: It's just not even any uh uh net know not true.

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Speaker 1: And she uses as proof the most reliable people in

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Speaker 1: the world, mega influencers, perhaps some who are paid by

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Speaker 1: foreign governments. She would like people to talk to those

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Speaker 1: mega influencers because they know the truth about the danger

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Speaker 1: of democrats. I'm sorry, but like, I guess there's someone

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Speaker 1: who believes this, But I feel like even the most

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Speaker 1: trumpy of Trumpers has to know this is ridiculous, right

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Speaker 1: or am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: No? I mean largely what we saw at the White

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Speaker 2: House the other week was a bunch of losers whose

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Speaker 2: brand was built on when Antifo was active five years ago,

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Speaker 2: they were covering them. Now they're doing brand recovery, trying

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Speaker 2: to make themselves relevant again, and they went to the

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Speaker 2: White House and they're pretending this is the thing because

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Speaker 2: there's now political expiency. One of the most telling things

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Speaker 2: we saw this week was Glenn Beck did his usual

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Speaker 2: thing where he was ranting and raving and seeing things

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Speaker 2: he doesn't know what he's talking about about Antifa, and

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Speaker 2: he had to kind of go on air and be like,

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Speaker 2: so funny thing happened. Cash Hotel sent the FBI to

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Speaker 2: my house to hear about my evidence about Antifa existing,

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Speaker 2: because he's that giddy to find Antifa, and you'll be

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Speaker 2: shocked to your glad dad to kind of walk back

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Speaker 2: as usual bullshit that he didn't really have much evidence

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Speaker 2: of Antifa existing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like with everything, this is just bullshit.

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Speaker 1: It's worth realizing. Like I want to just point out

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Speaker 1: one other thing that's happening here, which is we're seeing

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Speaker 1: like a lot almost all the journalists who cover the Pentagon,

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Speaker 1: including Fox News, including everyone with the exception of Oam

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Speaker 1: giving up their Pentagon passes because Pete Hegsas made this

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Speaker 1: crazy oh that none of them would sign. And I

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Speaker 1: just want to point out I just want to go

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Speaker 1: back to this for one more second, because I feel

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Speaker 1: like this is the way you do it if you

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Speaker 1: are university solidarity. Everybody says they won't make the deal

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Speaker 1: as opposed to You can't just fight one at a time.

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Speaker 1: Got to do this as a group. That's the only

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Speaker 1: way to do any of this. And I just I

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Speaker 1: want to point that out again because you know, Antifa

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Speaker 1: may not be real, but when they come after universities

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Speaker 1: and media outlets and everything else like that, Senators, Republican senators,

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Speaker 1: everyone needs to stand up because if it's just one person,

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Speaker 1: it's much easier to ruin them, but if it's many,

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Speaker 1: then it's much harder for them.

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Speaker 2: I can I talk to you about the real terrorist

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Speaker 2: threat I'm concerned about. Yes, these women who pick up

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Speaker 2: boulders on glass bridges that collapse, the Golden Retrievers get

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Speaker 2: the kids very scared about this. I've seen videos alike.

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Speaker 1: And everyone needs to block the AI slum. Yes, I agree,

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Speaker 1: AI is not your friend. Block Allsora, block the slum.

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Speaker 1: That's what all I care about. Block this lap baby.

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