1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 3: What is up, straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: Fire for Wednesday, July nineteenth. Not a whole heck of 5 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: a lot happening in the sports world. Fortunately, got a great, 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 3: great interview today with Randy Mueller. He's been on the 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: pod before. Former NFLGM for the Saints, he was a 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 3: GM with the Dolphins, he's been with the Chargers. I'll 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 3: just say this, I have never met anyone yet in 10 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 3: sports media who seems to like Daniel Jones as much 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: as Randy Mueller. And hey, one of us will be wrong. 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: I don't mind taking an ELpH I'm wrong. I just 13 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 3: don't see it with Daniel Jones. Randy maybe try. He'll 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: convince you, guys. I think you'll like the interview. I 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 3: will talk about the running back sitch in the NFL. 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: I'm kinda talking doubt about the running back situation. And again, 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 3: I know this is the off season, camps haven't really started. 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: There's just not a lot happening in sports. We're waiting 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 3: for Otani to get traded. He probably won't get traded, 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: you know, We're waiting for the women's World Cup to start. 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: I'll be honest, Women's It's gonna be a soccer weekend. 22 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: We got the Women's World Cups starting in New Zealand 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 3: and Australia, and oh by the bye, Leononell Messi set 24 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: to make his MLS debut in Miami Friday night, also programming. Nope, 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: I will be hosting The Herd again this Friday. I 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: guess I'm just crushing it so awesomely hosting The Herd 27 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 3: that they're having me back Friday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday as 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: col Hurd takes yet another vacation. Hopefully by then my 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: Yankees will be out of the basement. They just can't 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: seem to get out of their own way. But I 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: did see a funny thing on Instagram where the Yankees 32 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: might be in last place in the Al East, they 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: would be in the first place in the Al Central. 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: At any rate, I'm excited for the soccer weekend. I'm 35 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: excited for a guest. Let's get to Randy Mueller, former 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: NFL GM. 37 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports 39 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: fans want, but for everything he doesn't he knows a 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: guy who does. 41 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy. 43 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. 44 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 4: A former NFL front office guy spent time, notably with 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: the Miami Dolphins, a team that, as a Jets fan, 46 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: I never really liked Randy Mueller. He's been on the 47 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: pod before. How are you, Randy. 48 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: Good to be back with you? 49 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, excellent to have you. We're a weird time 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: in the NFL right now. 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 4: I use the word weird Randy, because I would say 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 4: the prevailing story, since only Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 4: to move this offseason, is the running backs not getting paid. 54 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 55 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 4: I don't want to steer you in any direction, but 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 4: a lot of noise some on social media from the 57 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: running backs. We see Saquon Barkley claiming he's gonna hold out. 58 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 4: Who knows if he's going to play Week one. Josh 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 4: Jacobs of the Raiders is very upset. You've worked in 60 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 4: front offices. Things have changed a lot in the last 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 4: five years in regard to paying running backs. The franchise 62 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 4: tag number for running backs has gone down, while receivers 63 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: of skyrocketed. Quarterbacks obviously up. Just where are you in 64 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: the whole running back situation in the NFL right now? 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: Well, all be honest, Jason, it kind of is what 66 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: it is, right, I mean, market dictates what people get paid. 67 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: We'd all love to be paid more for our job, 68 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: no matter what it is, and I think at times 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: we all probably feel disrespected and have throughout our careers. 70 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: But that's just the way it is. They've got to 71 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: find a way to, I guess break through at some point. 72 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: I think if you look at running backs in general, 73 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: you're probably talking about the reason their salaries have been 74 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: held down. At least from a front office's standpoint, was always, well, 75 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: we can find others to carry the ball. We can 76 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: find other runners. It's the guys who had a role 77 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: on third down, who were big in the passing game. 78 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: Those guys were the guys that got paid. Now it 79 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: seems like because that number has come down, there's so 80 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: few of those guys that the numbers have come down, 81 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: whether it's a transition tag or a franchise tag, that 82 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: it has definitely devalued the position. The guys that are 83 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: out now that are on the franchise tag are going 84 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: to get paid good money. Is it equal to what 85 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: they think it should be? Obviously not, so I'll be honest, 86 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: I don't know how you solve it. At the end 87 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: of the day, I don't think it makes sense for 88 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: one of these guys to hold out throughout the whole season. 89 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: They're giving away money that they'll never get back. We 90 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: know how that went with Le'Veon Bell wasn't a good 91 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: business decision, so I don't see that happening again. I 92 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: just think it's a matter of they're going to have 93 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: to grin and beartt and take what they can get, 94 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: and maybe they optimize their timing. As this franchise tag 95 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: time frame dwindled down, the player lost leverage, and so 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: I think there's a chance that if Saquon would have 97 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: taken a deal back in March, he probably was at 98 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the peak of his value. Then the Giants were willing 99 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: to pay more because they wanted to do something with 100 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: the quarterback, right, So it was kind of an either 101 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: or one of them was going to get paid. And 102 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: I think that has some residual effects as to how 103 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: long that negotiation went, and it didn't favor Saquon When 104 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: his leverage started to dissipate. 105 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 4: So my the Barkley one is complicated. Jacobs is like 106 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: a different story kind of. But you know, Barkley has 107 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: been with Daniel Jones for a few years now, but 108 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 4: he's had some injuries. So last year he's healthy, Daniel 109 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 4: Jones has a new head coach in Dable. 110 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: They look as good. 111 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 4: As they have since Daniel Jones has been there, and 112 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 4: they make the playoffs and win a game. You could argue, 113 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 4: did they beat the lucky Vikings team that won eleven 114 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 4: or zero one score games? 115 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: Whatever? 116 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: Bottom line is, the Giants excelled last year. Barkley was 117 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: a big part of it. 118 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 4: I think he had over sixteen hundred yards from scrimmage 119 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 4: and we had like a four year sample size of 120 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: Daniel Jones, and I was like, eh, you know, Randy, 121 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 4: the Giants had the didn't even pick up his fifth 122 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 4: year option. Okay, So you know the idea that they 123 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 4: loved Daniel Jones was a little weird. So I want 124 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 4: to ask you, does Berkley have a legitimate gripe? Hey, 125 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: this guy's going to be getting like, I think thirty 126 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 4: nine million dollars a year Daniel Jones, And you didn't 127 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 4: even think he was any good last year to pick 128 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 4: up the fifty year option, and now you're paying them 129 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 4: everything and I only get tagged. 130 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: Does Berkley have a gripe? 131 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: Rindy. I don't think he has a gripe if he 132 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: compares it to what Daniel Jones getting, because I think 133 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: that's apples and oranges. We all know what quarterbacks make. 134 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: I think in this case, I see this from the Giants' 135 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: point of view, in that the Daniel Jones contract itself 136 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: evolved to the point of he kind of I won't 137 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: say he got them to the playoffs, but his improvement 138 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: was evident last year in his first year under table, 139 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: it got better. The Giants didn't want to take a 140 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: step back. They did not want to go sign a 141 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: different quarterback or make a move that was going to 142 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: set them back in their progression of development. They finally 143 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: got this guy to improve. It's not his it's not 144 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: day Ball's fault. It's not Joe Shane's fault the GM. 145 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: It's not their fault that he didn't improve that first 146 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: three years in the league. That was a mess. The 147 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: Giants have been a mess until they got there, So 148 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: I think they're willing to reward that they knew the 149 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: options weren't as good. And that's what really professional sports 150 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: is all about, right Jason. It's about options, and the 151 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: Giants didn't like their options. They could have easily signed 152 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: Barkley and put the tag on Jones. That was a 153 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: choice that those two guys representations made at that time. 154 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: I think, like I said, Barkley probably could have got 155 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: a lot more money in March than he's ended up 156 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: playing with right now. So I understand it. It's hard 157 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: to keep all the good players. But in this case, 158 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: the Giants don't are They're trying to minimize change. They 159 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: don't want to take a step back, like I said, 160 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: and allowing them to sign Jones and still tag Barkley 161 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: keeps the status quo per se and gives them another 162 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: year toward developing the group around them. 163 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: I think I'm with you. 164 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 4: I would have paid Barkley a two or three year 165 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 4: deal and tag Jones and said prove it again. 166 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to diminish what Jones did last year. 167 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: He was very good. 168 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: He basically just did not turn the ball over the 169 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: way he did the first three years. But I want 170 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: to ask you, Geno Smith has been around the league 171 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 4: a lot longer. I would say he had a better 172 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: year last year than Daniel Jones, and Seattle did not 173 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 4: pay him. He's got essentially like a one year deal. 174 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 4: I know, though it's longer than that, but when you 175 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: read between the lines, it's essentially a one year proven 176 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 4: again deal. Are you surprised the Giants committed that much 177 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: to Daniel Jones given you know, I know the market 178 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 4: pays quarterbacks, but again, like you know, Daniel Jones, I 179 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 4: think he's extremely limited. I think it's tough to make 180 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 4: a case for him as like a top fifteen quarterback 181 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 4: in the league unless you think otherwise. 182 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about top fifteen, but I would 183 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: definitely say he's in that, you know, top two thirds, which, again, 184 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: when you look at options, that's really what it's all about. 185 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: That's what gets you paid. If the team has no options, 186 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: they're going to overpay. Who's to say, And you might 187 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: be right that maybe the Giants wanted to overpay Saquon 188 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: He wasn't willing to take the deal at the end 189 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: of the rainbow in March, so they ended up throwing 190 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: the money on Daniel. They had to sign one of them, 191 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: so we can chase the story a little bit, but 192 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: they were going to sign one of them. They only 193 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: had one tag and they didn't want to lose either one. 194 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: Just seemed like Daniel Jones maybe was, you know more, 195 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: they overpaid him sooner than they could have overpaid bark 196 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: Then they were going to overpay one of them, for sure. 197 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 4: I know you've been in several front offices. I'm just curious, 198 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: what can this kind of thing do to the dynamic 199 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: of a locker room, Like Daniel Jones got paid Barkley, 200 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 4: who I think pretty much everybody in the Giants offensive 201 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 4: locker room would agree is their best scial position player. 202 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 4: And I think if you really ask them, guys, I 203 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: think they would probably say Barkley is a better player 204 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: and more integral to our team than Daniel Jones. 205 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: But what can this do to a locker room? 206 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: I see that one totally different, Jason. I don't see 207 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: it being an issue in your locker room. I think 208 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback is always valued. I think the fact that 209 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: they have tried to sign Barkley for six months now 210 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: gives the impression that they do want him, they want 211 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: to give him love. They just don't want to pay 212 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: him what he thinks he's worth. Again, we don't get 213 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: to determine what we're worth, none of us in whatever 214 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: we do. So we've got to make whatever deal we can. 215 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: So I don't see it being a thorn in the 216 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: side of the locker room. I really don't. I think 217 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are valued to what they are. Nobody says anybody's 218 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: worth fifty million or fifty five million. But in this case, 219 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a crazy deal. I'm probably one 220 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: of maybe a few, but I know there's a lot 221 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: of other guys in the NFL as evaluators that think 222 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has some upside that we think he can 223 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: be pretty good player, and so I'm not down on 224 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: what the Giants did with him, and I don't think 225 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: it's going to cause a rift in the locker room. 226 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: That's just my opinion. 227 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: Huh okay, Rick the quarterbacks to the nfcast for me, Randy. 228 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: NFC East, You've got Hurts, obviously got paid. There is 229 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: some lingering question as to how good he can be. 230 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: Obviously Dak is in there. Washington has nobody, and Daniel 231 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: I think has some upside To approach Dak, Prescott and Hurts. 232 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: In my opinion, that just really I think he's here's 233 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: what I think the difference is, and Dak has kind 234 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: of done it, so I'm gonna set him aside. He 235 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: has proved he can play. Now, last year wasn't the 236 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: greatest year of his but I do think this Daniel 237 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 1: Jones has upside to become a player that defenses have 238 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: to play him different because what happens is defensive coordinators 239 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: are really good, they end up forcing you to beat 240 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: him from the pocket. I think Hurts still has to 241 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: prove that over a body of work and consistency, that 242 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: he can beat teams from the pocket. Daniel made strides 243 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: to do that last year, and he's underrated as an 244 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: athlete too. He can get away from things and make 245 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: things happen with his feet. So I don't see a 246 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: giant drop off from from Hurts to Dak to Daniel Jones. 247 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: I really don't there's a delineation. Don't get me wrong, 248 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: but I don't think Daniel Jones. I guess I'm I'm 249 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: more favorable to the Daniel Jones upside than maybe some 250 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: media type. 251 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 4: Now that is interesting, Randy, I gotta say, I'm just 252 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: not in now, I'm a Jets fan, so maybe I'm 253 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 4: looking at this through green and white tinted glasses. But 254 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 4: since I brought up the Jets, your thoughts on how 255 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers will do in the new setting New York. 256 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 4: I know he did not have a great year last 257 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 4: year in Green Bay following the two MVP seasons, But 258 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 4: was that kind of more about him not being happy 259 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 4: the young receiver cores, you know's some excuses about injuries. 260 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: Will he will he be the old Aaron Rodgers with 261 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 4: the Jets? 262 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: Well, I think it was time. I think the shelf 263 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: life had expired in Green Bay. There's a multitude of reasons. 264 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 1: We can go through them all. It's been discussed at nauseum. 265 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: I do think the Jets setting is the perfect spot 266 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers. It gives him what he needs. It 267 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: gives he was the only guy that could have came 268 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: in off the street and allowed them to still will 269 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: sit Zach Wilson down and not give up on him. 270 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: I think anybody else would have cared what happens with 271 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. Aaron Rodgers doesn't care what happens with Zack Wilson. 272 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: In fact, he's gonna help Zack, and so I think 273 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: it fits not only the criteria for helping the Jets now, 274 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: but it may help them down the road. I'm again 275 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: one of those that don't think Zach will Zach Wilson 276 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: is a guy that can that's washed already. I think 277 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: he has a future and I think it could be 278 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: with the Jets, and I think not that that's part 279 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: of the discussion we're having, but I think Aaron gives 280 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: that a chance to still happen. So I think he 281 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: allows them to pump the brakes on the Zach Wilson, 282 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: get him out of town because he's stunk. Last year, 283 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: what I saw was a Jets offense that stunk too, 284 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: And so I do think Aaron is out to prove 285 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: something and that is a good thing for the Jets. 286 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: When the Packers drafted Jordan Love, Aaron Rodgers was coming 287 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: off a couple of mediocre seasons, and I don't think 288 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: they knew what they were had in him anymore. They 289 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: traded up to get Jordan Love, and I think that 290 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: lit a fire that motivated Aaron Rodgers, and I think 291 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: maybe you have the same motivation in Aaron Rodgers that's 292 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: now with the Jets having a chip on his shoulder 293 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: that the Packers, however he phrases it, didn't want him anymore. 294 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: So I think it's good. That's a long winded answer, 295 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: but I think he's good for the Jets. I think 296 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: the Jets may have overpaid slightly to get him, but 297 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: that's beside the point. If he can get them to 298 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: where they want to get great, time will tell, but 299 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: I think it's a good fit. I think he can 300 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: go be the guy there. Would I want to do 301 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: it in Green Bay? Again, No, but it makes sense 302 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: in my opinion for Joe Douglas and the Jets. 303 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Interesting. 304 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: I didn't think i'd be talking about Zach Wilson, but 305 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: I can't get out of my head that you think 306 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 4: he's not totally done and Randy, I think you know again, 307 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: I'm a Jets guy, But I think the big problem 308 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 4: is when you look at quarterbacks who have had essentially 309 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 4: two years starting. I know he's had injuries, he hasn't 310 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: started every game because he got benched, But in the NFL, 311 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 4: historically a quarterback who you are is the first. Like 312 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 4: I think it's like something like thirty ish starts like 313 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 4: very rarely do you see guys make a quantum leap 314 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden they go from really really 315 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 4: bad to amazing and stay there. Gino Smith kind of 316 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 4: did it, but that was like eight years later. There 317 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 4: just aren't a lot There isn't a lot of evidence 318 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: of quarterbacks doing that. 319 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: I'm not saying Zach Wilson's gonna. 320 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 4: Be garbage for the rest of his career, but you know, 321 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 4: he's got a long way to go. 322 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: No, I think he has a ways to go. I 323 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: think last year was a complete dumpster fire for him. 324 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: But like I said, I think it was for the 325 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: Jets offense. Last time I checked, they fired a coordinator too. Right. 326 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: And when I did dig into film last year, during 327 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: all the demise of the Jets, I saw players not 328 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: giving their all. I saw a scheme that was a 329 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: total wreck. I saw mistimed execution only to be outdone 330 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: by bad design. And I just can't blame Zach Wilson 331 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: for all of that. Now, what I can blame him 332 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: for is the what's the word I'm looking for is 333 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: the happy the immaturity. The immaturity. That's the part I can't. 334 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: While I can't, I can blame him for all the immaturity, 335 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: the way he handled it, the way he answered questions, 336 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: the lack of accountability. I get it. That cannot happen 337 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: wherever I've been. When there's a good quarterback, he's got 338 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: to be the most accountable and honest in the room. 339 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: And Zach was not like that. But again, I think 340 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: those are things that Aaron Rodgers can help with. So 341 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: I still see a guy that can make throws. I 342 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: see a guy that if given an opportunity in a 343 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: system that actually is functioning at a high level with 344 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: people around him, I think he's still got a chance 345 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: to be a player. It may not be with the Jets. 346 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: That bridge may have burned. That's fine. I think there 347 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: would be somebody else that would take him, though, if 348 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: that gets to be the point where we're ready to 349 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: wash him out, I just think these guys are really 350 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: hard to come by, and I think that's what you 351 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: saw in the Jets setting him aside but not willing 352 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: to flush it down on the sink. They're gonna hang 353 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: on to him and give him a chance here at 354 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: some point, and it might be two more years before 355 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: he gets another chance. Based on Aaron Rodgers. 356 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 4: You know, every year we read about like, hey man, 357 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 4: what playoff teams are gonna change? 358 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 2: Like who's falling off? Yet? 359 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: Every single year, two or three teams in each conference 360 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: come out of the playoffs and we get two new 361 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 4: teams in usually in each conference. 362 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: I'm just curious if there's. 363 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 4: A team or two that you like that did not 364 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: make the playoffs last year that you can see making 365 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 4: the lead back into the postseason this year. 366 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about making the complete leap. I do. 367 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: I am higher on a couple teams than most. Okay, 368 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: I think the Steelers. I think the Steelers are gonna 369 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: be a good team this year. I think they are 370 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: better than people are giving them credit for if you 371 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: just look at over and undertotals. I think the Packers 372 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: are getting disrespected myself. I think they're better than people 373 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: are seeing them from the outside. I think a team 374 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: that and again, this team made the playoffs, so they're 375 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: not going to be the sleeper year looking for. But 376 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: I think Jacksonville is a really good team. I think 377 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: Jacksonville is creeping up on the Bills, the Chiefs, the 378 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: Bengals to where they're going to be in that mix. 379 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: Maybe not this year, but they're gonna beat some teams 380 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: this year. I think that's a really good team. So 381 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: there are some teams that middle of the road that 382 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: I could see pressing forward to the top of that 383 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: playoff group that might just surprise you. 384 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: So it's funny. 385 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: I was talking to someone about the Jags and I 386 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 4: was bullish on them the way you were, and this 387 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 4: person reminded me, Jay, they were three and seven last year. 388 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 4: You're aware of that, right, And then look at the 389 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 4: quarterbacks they beat to sneak into the playoffs. I think 390 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 4: in the final week of the season it was Josh 391 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 4: Dobbs literally in street closed two weeks prior coming in 392 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 4: and they you know, I think he had a turnover 393 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter and they luckily get in the playoffs. 394 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: I know they were down to the Chargers and got 395 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 4: the win, but they weren't exactly a great team last year. 396 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 4: I wonder, is it the offense is at the defense 397 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 4: the addition of Ridley, Like, what are you seeing with 398 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 4: the Falcons? I'm sorry, the Jaguars. 399 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: I think it's all about the defense, I'll be honest 400 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: with you. And that's the tape that I've looked at 401 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: over the last month or so. I spend a lot 402 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: of time. I will say this, Jason. They have more 403 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: people that are hard to block than almost any team 404 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Really good defensive players. Whether it's Josh Allen, 405 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: whether it's Trevon Walker from last year. They've got some 406 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: really good players. Devin Lloyd another first round pick that 407 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: they got from Utah too last year, so he's a 408 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: second year guy. They've got a lot of ways they 409 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: can affect quarterbacks and that's what I saw. And then 410 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: I saw Trevor Lawrence kind of growing the last month 411 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: of the season. I think he's still the prototype. You'd 412 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 1: love to have a guy like that. He has all 413 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: the physical tools and checks every box. I do think 414 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: the receivers are going to help. Obviously you mentioned Ridley, 415 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: They're all going to help. I just think this is 416 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: a team that's on the come, but I think it's 417 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: mainly because of the defense that makes them I think 418 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: pretty salty and going to be hard to deal with. 419 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 4: Let me ask where you are on a team that 420 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 4: I'm not extremely bullish on, but I like them a lot. 421 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 4: I think there's an outside chance, given the skin jewel, 422 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 4: they end up maybe with the number one seed in 423 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 4: the NFC, and that's the New Orleans Saints. I like 424 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 4: the car edition. I think the division is the worst 425 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 4: in football. The defense returns a lot of talent. There's 426 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 4: just not much to not like about this team. Receivers 427 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 4: are very good. The big question is Carr, who I 428 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 4: think is like sixteen games under five hundred his career, 429 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 4: but we can we perceive him as like a good quarterback. 430 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: Where are you on the Saints? 431 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think they're the best 432 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: team on paper in that division, and You're right it's 433 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: not a great division. I think the other teams are 434 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: going to struggle. I think the defense that you mentioned 435 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: is really good. The one thing that I found as 436 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: kind of a pebble in the shoe of them is 437 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: I don't know that the perimeter receivers are what they want, 438 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: what people perceive them to be. Chris O Love, I love, 439 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. Is not the same Michael Thomas of four 440 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: or five years ago. Just not and I don't know 441 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: that that's going to ever change. I thought that they 442 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: would be a place for another veteran receive or even 443 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: two to give them some perimeter options. But I'm with 444 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: you on Carr. If they get car to play average, 445 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: they'll win ten or eleven games. And it is a 446 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: DNA built team that's been to the playoffs enough to 447 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: where they expect to win. It's a good group in 448 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: the front office. Obviously, Dennis Allen is still finding his 449 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: way as a head coach, but it's his second opportunity. 450 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: I like the defense, but I think the parimeter receivers 451 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: are the area of weakness for me. But I like him. 452 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: I don't know that they're gonna chase the elite in 453 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: the NFC, but I surely see them as a playoff team. 454 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 4: As we sit today, we could go full circle and 455 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 4: wrap up. But you know, it sounds like you like 456 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 4: Derek Carr. I like him. He's making less money, I 457 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 4: believe than Daniel Jones. I know Derek Carr does not 458 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 4: have I know Derek Carr does not have a playoff win. 459 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 4: I think his only playoff game was the loss to 460 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 4: the Bengals I think a couple of years ago on 461 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 4: the road, and then he got into the playoffs but 462 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 4: was hurt and then they had to start maybe Connor 463 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 4: Cook in Indy several years back. Bottom line, like Carr 464 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 4: looks the part, and then you look at his record and. 465 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: You're like, Ooh, he's this guy any good? But I 466 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: don't know. I'll ask you. 467 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 4: You know you have an eye for talent having worked 468 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 4: in an NFL front offices. Are you a Car guy 469 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 4: or a Jones guy? If you had to pick one. 470 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: If I had to pick between those two, I would 471 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: probably pick Daniel Jones. I think the upside that people 472 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: don't see in Daniel is just based on the debacle 473 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: that's been the Giants until last year. This guy didn't 474 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: really have a chance to develop, and I think he 475 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: does have upside because of it. He's very athletic, he 476 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: can make all the throws. I think him and Dable 477 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: together will be formidable. So if I was picking the two, 478 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: I'd pick Daniel Jones over Car. But I'm with you. 479 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: I like Carr as well. I don't think he has 480 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: to be a hero. Where Car has really improved for 481 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: me is the toughness that goes with having to play 482 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: that position. That's really improved for him. He will do 483 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: whatever he can to play a week in and week out. 484 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: He finds ways to will his team and I know 485 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: he hasn't been on great teams, and his playoff success 486 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: is limited, but I think he helps the Saints and 487 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: is a good fit there. But I'm a Daniel Jones guy. 488 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you clearly. 489 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 4: All right, we'll wrap up with this one, Randy, give 490 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 4: is there a reason to not take the Kansas City 491 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 4: Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. 492 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 2: I know it's only July. 493 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 4: A lot can happen in the next eight weeks before 494 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 4: the season starts. But you look at this Chiefs team 495 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 4: and like Andy Reid Mahomes, you know, they bring on Jujus' 496 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 4: Schuster he's good, then they will let him go. We 497 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 4: got Cadarius Tony up next, like they just have such 498 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: an embarrassment of riches. The offensive line was rebuilt quickly 499 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 4: after the Super Bowl to bock overs Tampa. 500 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: And then the defense. I mean, Randy, they seem to 501 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: be hitting on all their draft picks. You got good young. 502 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: Cornerbacks and like I just it's tough for me not 503 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 4: to take the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. 504 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I just finished for the athletic 505 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: on just this. The things that would keep me awake 506 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: as a GM for each of the teams, I slept soundly. 507 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: If I'm Brett Beach, I really have. I think he's 508 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: done a really good job. They've built a good team. 509 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: I think that the emphasis on the perimeter receiver still 510 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: only because Kadarius Tony has not done it yet at 511 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: a consistent level. Sky Moore not consistently yet. Those are 512 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: still some slight question marks for me, but I agree 513 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: with you they've kept enough parts together. The thing that 514 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: I really like about the way they build teams, Jason, 515 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: is they have conviction for the evaluations. They go out 516 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: and see somebody, whether it's a guy who was a 517 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: backup tackle at Jacksonville and they pay him to make 518 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: him their left tackle or somebody else at Juju that's 519 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: when he was available. They find conviction for the evaluations 520 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: that they make, they value and they go get them. 521 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: And I think that's a great lesson for team builders 522 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL, don't you know, pimb pamby around, find 523 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: the player that you like and go ahead and pay. 524 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: And Brett Veach does that as well as anybody in 525 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: the NFL. 526 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. I just quickly called up their draft, their twenty 527 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 4: twenty two draft. 528 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: I mean there's seventh round pick. 529 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 4: Pacheco, you know, had a pretty dark good Super Bowl 530 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 4: Nick Bolton twenty twenty one, but also in twenty twenty two, 531 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 4: McDuffie went healthy, was really good. 532 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: Carlastis looks like a keeper. I don't know. You just 533 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: keep looking at some of these draftics. 534 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 4: Creed Humphrey second round pick, He's like already one of 535 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 4: the elite centers in the league. 536 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: The tight end, No, I'm sorry, not the tight end. 537 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: The offensive lineman. 538 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 4: Tray Smith looks like he's gonna play a pivotal role 539 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 4: this year. Like they've been crushing the draft. Willie Gate junior, 540 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 4: very good linebacker. I know he's had some off field stuff. 541 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: Sneid like that. 542 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 4: You've got to crush the draft when you're at that 543 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 4: level because you're paying the quarterback so much. 544 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I chance City Chiefs feel like 545 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: the new Patriots dynasty. It's not overboard, is it? 546 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: Oh? No, not at all? I think again, I think 547 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: they've done the best job of evaluating both in the 548 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: draft and in pro free agency of anybody in the league. 549 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: And they supplement they know they're going to have to 550 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: change their team a third every year, and they've done 551 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: a great job in having convictions for what they see 552 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: on film and how they do their evaluations and scout 553 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: and they're doing the best job of anybody in league 554 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: right now. So I think everybody's trying to get a 555 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: little bit of the Chiefs, just like you stated, everybody 556 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: for years has tried to get a little bit of 557 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: the Patriots. 558 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all. 559 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 4: Right, Randy Mueller, former NFL front office guy. What else 560 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 4: you're doing with the athletic right now, Randy? 561 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: I do a podcast weekly Mike Sando, their national writer, 562 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: and I call the Football GM. We've done it for 563 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: three years. It's a lot of fun. And I do 564 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the NFL analysts and writing on their 565 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: journal side, so it's a lot of fun. Keep me going. 566 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, keep up the good work, Randy, and continued success. 567 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 4: Although we might have to have you on in November 568 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 4: when Daniel Jones is struggling. I can't wait, and the 569 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 4: Giants are all 570 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 2: Right, Randy, take it easy.