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Speaker 1: Hi, I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth revelry. That's good.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode was another one that we actually did in

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Speaker 1: New York before the quarantine was put in order, and

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Speaker 1: it's with Uzo Aduba and her sister Chichi. They were

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Speaker 1: so lovely and we ended up having the best time,

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Speaker 1: and it continued till after the interview when we went

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Speaker 1: downstairs and chatted. I know, I was unfortunately on FaceTime

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Speaker 1: again poking my head in and out trying to be

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Speaker 1: a part of this awesome conversation. They were just, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, so happy and filled with light. You know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They had a really interesting childhood, Nigerian parents, five siblings.

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Speaker 1: They grew up outside of Boston, and they were both

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Speaker 1: like incredible athletes, chi Chi especially I mean Uzo. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that. Uza was a little bit more of

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Speaker 1: an interest in the arts, so she kind of heard

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Speaker 1: the direction led her elsewhere out of athletics, but Chi

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Speaker 1: Chi was like really incredible runner. They just seemed to

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Speaker 1: be good at everything. Yeah, and then there's a great

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Speaker 1: story about when she found out she landed Orange is

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Speaker 1: the New Black. Everybody knows Uzo as Crazy Eyes, you know,

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Speaker 1: because that show was just the best, And we got

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Speaker 1: to talk about that a bit. And Chi Chi's a

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Speaker 1: pretty big deal, like she's super were smart and marketing,

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Speaker 1: and she gave me some really good perspectives on business,

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Speaker 1: like I'm going to call Chi chief advice. Uzzo has

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Speaker 1: a show out now on Hulu called Missus America, which

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Speaker 1: I'm actually it's in my queue. It's my next show up. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: I loved their story and their laugh they're laugh I

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Speaker 1: love when they would laugh together at the same time.

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Speaker 1: It was just infectious. Yeah, it was great. I'm sending

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Speaker 1: love to the ladies the Yorks, and I hope everybody

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Speaker 1: enjoys this episode. Sure, thank you guys for coming. By

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Speaker 1: the way, this is very cool. Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with where you guys were born and who's

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Speaker 1: the oldest sister. I am older a year and a half.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, but only one year apart in school? Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: How many siblings do you have? There? Are five of

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Speaker 1: us all together? We have three other siblings to brothers

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Speaker 1: and another sister, And are they older younger? I'm number

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Speaker 1: four of five, Ye're number three. So there's two above

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Speaker 1: Uzo and one below you and one blow me the

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Speaker 1: same mom or same both same mom for all five

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Speaker 1: two fathers. My mom's first husband passed away when she

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Speaker 1: was really young. Yeah, and then she remarried. But I

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Speaker 1: say that, but then it's like I also at the

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Speaker 1: same time hate saying that because it's like I feel

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Speaker 1: like I now need to say, like to the wider world,

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Speaker 1: we did not grow up as half siblings, Like that

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Speaker 1: was not the context under which we were like raised,

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Speaker 1: Like we were one hundred percent, like that is my

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Speaker 1: even though like they had different last names. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it was until like in the fourth or fifth

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like my way in which

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Speaker 1: we related, Like oh, I don't know, like I knew

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Speaker 1: the term half half brother, half sister, like it existed

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Speaker 1: half brothers and sisters. That's interesting you guys like you

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Speaker 1: guys sound so much alike hard it's crazy. No one's

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Speaker 1: Every time, I'm like, that's this. We talked about that

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Speaker 1: going to distinguish up? There's a little bit of a difference.

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Speaker 1: In my head, my voice is deeper than yours, and

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Speaker 1: in my head my voice is deeper than hers. Really,

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Speaker 1: but we've heard it enough times that were like we

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Speaker 1: had like such a deep voice, like I would answer

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Speaker 1: the phone and people would be like, hi, mister whatever.

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Speaker 1: It would be like sir, and I'd be like, I'm

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Speaker 1: And then if it's like, sir, sir, and how will

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Speaker 1: not there. Well, what what's what's your singing voice? Where

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Speaker 1: if I'm singing thank you, if I'm singing classical music,

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Speaker 1: but it is up. Do you go? Do you go

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Speaker 1: your yeah, you got your little false setto that you

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Speaker 1: want here, I'll let I'll let you judge. Ready, I'll

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Speaker 1: sing a little Stevie wonder Lately, lately, I've had the

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Speaker 1: strangest feeling very slowly picking me apart. When a timesion,

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Speaker 1: No mean, how's that is that? A sounds like an

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Speaker 1: alto contralto? It worked it sounded so good. Thank you guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go now. Yeah. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: sing together? No? I won't, I can't. What are you? No?

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Speaker 1: We did we sing? We were fun, we did, we sang.

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Speaker 1: We sing really funny like duet songs at karaoke. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of what we would do. What it really used

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Speaker 1: me sing the dute. I was the backart. I will

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Speaker 1: always was background until I got older. Okay, so just

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Speaker 1: give us a rundown of your family history. So we

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Speaker 1: grew up in a super small town called Midfield, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: It's like forty minutes from Boston, southwest of Boston, got

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Speaker 1: And that's important because well your first generation American. Yes, yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: first America. We did not transplant back to Nigri genera America. Him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: much like exclusively white, I would say, only other non

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Speaker 1: How did your mom end up family end up in

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Speaker 1: maybe even still. And so they were like, where that

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Speaker 1: My immediately older sibling, my sister, she's six years older

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Speaker 1: than me, my sister only. And then my brother Rich

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Speaker 1: what was that school experience like it was Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: So we all did like instruments and sports and you know,

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Speaker 1: They were super into exposed their children to everything that

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Speaker 1: the rest of it. But my parents were very much

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Speaker 1: all of it, Mom, sounds pretty amazing. She's amazing. She's

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Speaker 1: our mom is also like very artistic, yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then my dad, our dad. You're saying, my mom,

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Speaker 1: do you want to talk about your house that we

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Speaker 1: I put it in a text. You're by right. My

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Speaker 1: came after her. And where did they meet? They met here?

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Speaker 1: They met through my godmother. Oh okay at a party.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay. Fun Speak a little bit to your mom

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Speaker 1: and her story and what kind of mother she was.

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Speaker 1: Is she tough? Yes, Give a little bit of the

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Speaker 1: history of mom. She survived polio. She had polio. She

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Speaker 1: Her her aunt was a nurse at a hospital in

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Speaker 1: my grandparents, our grandparents, and our grandparents sent her to

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Speaker 1: always described it, she was she remembers it was very hard,

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Speaker 1: And it's like even when you think about being here,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have your older siblings who cushioned so much,

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00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, who paved away even and who had to

427
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: sacrifice a lot, not just circumstantial sacrifice really but took

428
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: the brunt of it, you know, so the younger ones

429
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: could maybe have a bit more of a harmonious situation.

430
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell sister, I'll tell another story also for my sister.

431
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: Our sister was brilliant, top of her class, like a brilliant,

432
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: brilliant girl, and uh, they were going into high school.

433
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: And so I think it was like her it was

434
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: a math teacher or science teacher, science teacher, and for

435
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: whatever reason, she was like number one in her class.

436
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: But he didn't think she should be in the high

437
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: on its class going into high school. And my mom,

438
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: you know very Nigerians like every grade, you know what

439
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: I mean. And so she's she's scheduled, uh what do

440
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: you call it, like a parent teacher conference and was

441
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: like she was like, so the recommendation you've given for

442
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: her is to be in the honors class, not the

443
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: high honors class. Like yes, And she said, what was

444
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: your recommendation for the person who's third? He said high honors.

445
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: She said, uh huh, and your recommendation so the person

446
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: who was second, he said high honors. So you mean

447
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: to tell me that the one who's three and two

448
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: you think should be in high honors, but my daughter,

449
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: who is number one should be in honors. He said, sir,

450
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm no math teacher, but that does not add all.

451
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: And that's who she and she was in high honor

452
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: and she did excellently. Wow. All, first of all, can

453
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: I just say that, like I I could sit here

454
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: for three hours listening to you just play your mother,

455
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean number one. And yet actually a question like

456
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: where was your dad in all this as far as

457
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: that went, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,

458
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: he's there. You know, it's funny, like it's he's home

459
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: and in our home. But like the parenting in our

460
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: culture is very much well and also I have a

461
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: very we have a very strong mom, but the parenting

462
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: is very much so like left to the mother in

463
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, in our culture, like that's who raises and

464
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: does the day to day you know, caretaking existing, you

465
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, he'll pipe it. He'll sit there

466
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: in the meeting while she's going. But she's running that ship.

467
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: My mom is running the show. She is like the

468
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: head of that house. She is the boss in that way.

469
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: She is the one like calling those shots without question period,

470
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that's her boat. What did your father do?

471
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: He's an accountant. He's an accountant. And was he working

472
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: all the time, yes, both of them were. I mean

473
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: it's like five kids, they're living in this like pretty

474
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: posh town, you know, just for us to like go

475
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: to the school and living here without any you know,

476
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: like any help. My parents were both the first from

477
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: their families to come to the United States, so they

478
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: were by themselves, no grandpa, like nothing, There was nobody

479
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: but themselves. So your older siblings too, are like there

480
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: for you guys a lot, absolutely and even more. I

481
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: remember having like didn't you have like a parent a

482
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 1: parent daughter child lunch and in your school, I mean

483
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: there's five children in all keep parents like ony I

484
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: remember would come down from the high school and come

485
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: sit at the lunch with me. Yeah you know yeah,

486
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: so like yeah, you know, like they did a big

487
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: role of like you know, you know, filling in the

488
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: gaps where we needed to absolutely, and like I think

489
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: also I think also though, like when we were really little,

490
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm not I have to ask mom. I'm not definitely

491
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: sure about this, but I don't know if they understood

492
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: the importance of those things. Oh yeah, you know what

493
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean. In this country, they're just like yes, They're

494
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: like I'm giving you somewhere to live, and I tell

495
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: you I love you every day, Like now you want

496
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: me to go on a field. Also because parents they're

497
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: in Nigeria, like children, siblings do raise each other, you

498
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like my mother and both my parents,

499
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: my father raised his younger siblings, my mother raised her

500
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: younger younger siblings. And it's not it's just a cultural

501
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: norm that is entirely different from like here tell that

502
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: story about the field hockey though. Yeah, so my parents

503
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: worked in Boston, was forty five minutes away, so like

504
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: coming in for like special events and things happened during

505
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: the day where it was harder for them. And I

506
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: remember my senior year, like for field hockey, they had

507
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: this thing We're for Senior Day where all the all

508
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: the parents' moms in particular came to the game and

509
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: that took place at like two in the afternoon, and

510
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: before the game, they announced all the seniors and you

511
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: had a rose. You had to go find your mom

512
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: in the crowd and give your mom the rose and

513
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: like thank you so much. You know, we're sending the

514
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: seniors off in style. And I remember I was like, Mom,

515
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: don't forget senior Day is on Thursday. And she's like,

516
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: gg I don't. I don't know if I can be there.

517
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't do as good a mom as and I'm

518
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: like I have to look and I'm like, oh man,

519
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: I was like I really want you to be there.

520
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: I really want you to be there. I remember that morning.

521
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: I was like, are you gonna come to my senior day.

522
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: She's like, I can't come to senior day. My mom

523
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: is a social worker, and she's like I have to

524
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: be in court, you know, this day, and I'm not

525
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna make it. But I've asked missus Swanson, who is

526
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: our neighbor, you know, and she's gonna come so you

527
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: can give your rose to her. That's what look. And

528
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: I was like super upset. And I was like fine, whatever,

529
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: and then I left, and then I just remember being

530
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: at the game, and this is also like the version

531
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: in my seventeen year old mind that I remember. And

532
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: we're starting the senior day ceremony and like the crowd parts,

533
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I see my mom

534
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: coming through and like I'm immediately crying, which I tended

535
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: to do as so, and I'm like, oh my god,

536
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: my mom is here, and Missus Swanson is also there prepared,

537
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is going on? And I

538
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: like give her my rose, and you know, after the

539
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: ceremony finishes, is like, how did you get here? And

540
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: she was like I went to the judge and I

541
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: was like, excuse me, judge, It's my daughter's senior day.

542
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: It's really important to her. It was another woman. She's like,

543
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: is it possible for me to testify first? And she

544
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a working mom too, Missus Adoba get

545
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: up here, and she went first, and then Koreene down

546
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: the highway to make it there for two o'clock. And

547
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: we have like a beautiful picture of that that is

548
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: always in every bedroom of every house or dorm I've

549
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: ever lived in. But it was like such a meaningful

550
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:06,760
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576
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577
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578
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579
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580
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581
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,200
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582
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,840
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583
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584
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585
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586
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587
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592
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599
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: I just did that. So you're a year and a

600
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: half apart. Yeah, I mean I'm assuming you did everything

601
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: growing up together. Yes, and no, Yes, I do. Like

602
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: we started doing everything together and then like our interests

603
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: and skills kind of like pulled us into slightly different directions. Yes,

604
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: and then like, wait, when are you talking about like forever? No, No,

605
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: not like personally any you got more into arts, but

606
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: still shared a room. Yes, geographically, yes, exactly. So you

607
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: shared a room growing up, shared a bed even really

608
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: very early when we were like very small, because the

609
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: house we lived in before our parents added an addition

610
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: to it, we shared a bed together, and then we

611
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: got our own room after they added to the house,

612
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: we had room that we shared together, and we shared

613
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: a room for the rest of our live Basically, did

614
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: you feel weird when you had your own room? She

615
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: got her own room, but I still feel like even

616
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: after you got your own room, slept, probably I would

617
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: be Yes, we got. We got so we had went

618
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: from sharing a bed to have it sharing a room.

619
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: It was like because our other sister, the three of

620
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: us were in one room and then she got her

621
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: own room, and then the two of us shared our

622
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: room together. And yeah, and then when my older brother

623
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: went to college, then his room was open. So then

624
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: I moved out and I moved downstairs, and I was

625
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: like my own room. And then like my older sister

626
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: moved and went to college, and then I was by myself.

627
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: I was like, I hate this. I went back upstairs.

628
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I want to go back in this room. Came back

629
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: and we shared. It was like, I mean, it was

630
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: like a window of like I don't even think it

631
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: was a year, but I don't even know how long

632
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: that time was. But I came back upstairs and we

633
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: like were back in the room together. Yeah, totally. Well,

634
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: my boys, my boys stay in the same room. We

635
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: have another room for them. To be in if they

636
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: would like it. But they they want to be together. Yea,

637
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: they they wanted they they love it. I mean the

638
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: nighttime stuff, the talking, the chatting. You know, it's their domain,

639
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: it's their space. Yeah, and that's your time like at night.

640
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: I always say, like people are like, I hope my

641
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: my kid, my sister, and my daughters are as close

642
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: as you guys, And I'm like, it's sharing a room,

643
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: feel like the late night chatter is like what does

644
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: the trick? Especially when you can't sleep or you By

645
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: the way, I lived in your room for most of

646
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: my childhood. Yeah, but I didn't really want you there,

647
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: I know, but you never said no. I was going

648
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: to say, did you quietly like it though? Because yeah,

649
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean probably I felt I was scared myself and

650
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, thank god she's here. Yeah.

651
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: That was like our little brother, our little brother Junior.

652
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: He had his own room. Like what che just said about,

653
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: like the nighttime like chat talk, pillow talk, whatever. Like

654
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: we'd be like in our room like talking, and obviously

655
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: we must have been like laughing and talking loudly enough

656
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: that he could hear us from his room, and he

657
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: started like coming into our room and he would like

658
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: like sorry, Junior started started with the sleeping bag, and

659
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: then it like evolved when first we were like get

660
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: out and he was like no, like you know whatever,

661
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: and then it started with the sleeping bag and then

662
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: it moved to like a full on cot like same thing.

663
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,959
Speaker 1: What was his sibling dynamic, like, like just with all

664
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: of you guys, like, how did the hierarchy work? Was

665
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: there someone at the top did that shift? Who was

666
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: the baby, you know, who needed more coddling, who was

667
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: more independent? How did it all like? Map out? I

668
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: would say definitely when we were like the our smallest,

669
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: my old because our parents worked a lot, so my

670
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: older brother and older sister Foreshore would like get us

671
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: ready for school and get us ready, you know, like

672
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: help our parents to get us out the door or whatever,

673
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: and they would do a lot of that. But without question,

674
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: I would say, like my older sister has always been

675
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: like she's a strong force and she's she's a mom.

676
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: She was born, she was born to be a mother.

677
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: My older sister like, if I can name one job,

678
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: I know for sure she was meant to have, Like absolutely,

679
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: she was supposed to parent, and she was like I

680
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: think even though she's second born, she would like lead

681
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: on that front, and right, I think that's totally fair.

682
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: She would lead on that front. And like, I don't

683
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: know that kind of for until recently, I said, she

684
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: went from like parentified child. I think, you know, like

685
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: had that responsibility to absolutely big sister to then I think,

686
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: like for me anyway, when she got married, that was

687
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: when it was just like not even the title of

688
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: big sister anymore, just like sister, you know what I mean.

689
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: Because we went through that experience of like putting arranging

690
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: things and assembling that together. You know that I think

691
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: made it feel like the gap closed because we had

692
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: such a large gap, but it just like closed in

693
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: a different way. That's such a good way of putting

694
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: that She's not like watching me anymore. We're just people

695
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: equal way exactly. And I also feel like you became

696
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: like more in the same station in life, like we're

697
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: all like out of school and all those things. And

698
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: like I always noticed it like when like the the

699
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: channel of advice became a two way street, you know

700
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, where it's like she could also come

701
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: to us and ask, you know, like you know, if

702
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: this is happening what do you think where it usuld

703
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: just always be like, oh, need like tell me what

704
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: to do? You know, it was like a little bit

705
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: more equal equal. Yeah that's eight years right, yeah, eight

706
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: years from Yeah that's a pretty big gap. Yeah. You

707
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: know when I was six, only's twelve, and she's like

708
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: doing whatever she's doing at twelve years old, like sleepovers

709
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: and stuff like this, and I'm trying to be like

710
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: I want to I'm coming downstairs to me with you guys,

711
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: and she's like, get at it, you know what I mean,

712
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing to then like not being

713
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: as obnoxious. So she's like I would say that tribesman,

714
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: I would then say growing up with the dynamic. I

715
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: would say then like Rich was like our oldest brother.

716
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: That's our oldest brother. He's like I feel for him

717
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: because it's like him then three girls like a brother

718
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: who's ten years young. Just so he was just like

719
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: fun older brother Rich when we you know, were growing up.

720
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: But I also feel like he's really like Ony's like

721
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: off doing her thing. He's like really off doing something

722
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: different than what we were doing, but equally now, like

723
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: in our tribe, what do they do my older brother?

724
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: He am I talking to him. Yeah, you know, it's fine.

725
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: Sound just like I'll start saying that that was I

726
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: said that that was me. All the jokes were, we're blacked.

727
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: My older brother sells insurance. My older sister is a

728
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: chemist does cancer research. Chie Chee can answer for herself.

729
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: I work at advertising and marketing, right, yes. And then

730
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: our younger brother, Obe is his real name, but we

731
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: all call everybody call him junior in our house. He

732
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: was a hockey player until recently played minor hockey and

733
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: is now figure out what his next He just had

734
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: two kids, Like, that's so cool, figuring out what he's

735
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: going to do with this next chapter in his life.

736
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So when did you guys start to go

737
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: into your own You said, we started becoming our own people,

738
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: and you went more into the arts and you went

739
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: more into sports. Yeah, so what did that look like

740
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: for you? Like, what were you into? Well? I did

741
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: I did all sort of sports. I did field hockey

742
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: and track and field in high school and college. And

743
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: we both always did like sports together, and you know,

744
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: I danced and played instruments, but just like overtime, I like,

745
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: wasn't that great at that? And she was she's being

746
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: burn and I was just just more successful, like in sports,

747
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: but it was and it was actually was good at everything.

748
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: But I think in college, like we both ran track

749
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: in college and Uzza was also you were I can't

750
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: remember vocal performance major, and that just became more of

751
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: your like where your heart was at, and my heart

752
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: was more in sports, and I think it was just

753
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: it was also I think good too, because we had

754
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: like our own places where we you know, excelled and

755
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: just had different more interests. But I also think like

756
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: in high school, we were always like the Adubas sisters

757
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: or the Aduba kids, and you know, when I went

758
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: to my own college, I almost went to school with

759
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: her because we were so close. But it was a

760
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: good thing because I finally just instid of being an

761
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: Aduba sister and a Duba kid. I was just cheaching,

762
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: you know. I think that even happened though like before

763
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: before going to college, like upon graduating from high school. Yes,

764
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't there to witness it because I was in

765
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: college at the time. But like my sister, she's too

766
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: humble to like ever say it, but like she's like

767
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: I ran track and it's like you did, not just

768
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: run track, you were an All American. You were like

769
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: at one point, like number three in the country. She

770
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: was like a serious went to the Olympic Trials, like

771
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: a real track and field athlete. She would never say,

772
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: what was your event? What was your what was the one?

773
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: I did long jump, triple jump, and sprint relays. Yes

774
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: at Penn State one of the best programs in the country.

775
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: Go State. I'll say for it, Yes, But I say

776
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 1: that because I say credits, Like I am so proud

777
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: because of what she just said, like we were the

778
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: Adubasra sisters or like the Aduba kids and all of

779
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: this everything that she did in the sport. After I

780
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: had graduated, like she like stepped into her space and

781
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: like she took off when you left, did you immediately

782
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: start going, oh, I'm definitely like immersing myself in the

783
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: arts during college or did that start to happen more

784
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: in high school. It's started more in high school for me,

785
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: like I'd always been, you know, doing artistic things, and

786
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: then when we were like running track together, I started

787
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: like doing you know, musicals and stuff, and running track

788
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: was in the spring, and it conflicted our musicals were

789
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 1: in the spring, and so rehearsal for the musical Pippin,

790
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: and I was playing the leading player in that show,

791
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: and rehearsals were starting to conflict with practice, and obviously,

792
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, like special treatment can't be shown, you know,

793
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: as far as like you, I think there's like a

794
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: limit to number of practices you're allowed to miss before

795
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: you can't be on the team or something. And even

796
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: though I was like training well and you know, was

797
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: an integral part of our track team, I could just

798
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: feel a distinct shift that where I wanted to choose

799
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: and mostly be was at rehearsal. And I remember my

800
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: coach coming to me and being like, you know, are

801
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: you going to you have to decide which one you're

802
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: going to do, like you can't do both. And I

803
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, I'm going to go and do

804
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: the musical and he's like, wait, experience, yeah in sports,

805
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: the same thing with soccer. That's funny. And I remember

806
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: that when that happened, and I was just like, Oh,

807
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: you're really serious about this stuff, because like I feel

808
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: like my whole life like there's like a moment when

809
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: I realized you were very, very talented. But before that,

810
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I was just like stop singing time all of them.

811
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 1: Oh god, that was my whole life. Oh my god.

812
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: Oh well, Kate was always performing, I mean constantly constantly performing.

813
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: What is going on? Look, everyone likes you. We know

814
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: that you're here, what it was about. See, people don't

815
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: understand that. Don't understand it. You just love it. I

816
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: used to lock myself in my room and just like

817
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: perform for myself. Well, we would send her to the garage.

818
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: I'd be like singing, like like I can still. I

819
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: wish you could be inside my head to hear like

820
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: the actual pitch. Like I'd be down stairs singing in

821
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: the like like fullness of my voice, like fully abasement,

822
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: and you could hear from upstairs. Uzzo, shut up, overtook everything,

823
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: the TV, the radio, your own thoughts. Like I was like,

824
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, God, yeah, you need to let it out.

825
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm living with that now because I have a daughter.

826
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: My daughter is this karma and she and she is

827
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: a combination of of my sister and my mother and

828
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: and it's all performance all the time. It doesn't stop

829
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: from the minute she wakes up to the minute she

830
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: goes to sleep. You know, she's performing plays or doing

831
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: whatever she's doing. And you go from you know, wow,

832
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: look what she's doing too, like can you just keep

833
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: it down and trying to watch the debate? Yeah, or

834
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: or you see I love watching you know, like especially

835
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: when we're all on a family trip like in Colorado

836
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: and real will go into fields and this is where

837
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's in the blood. I know that feeling.

838
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I my good. And she's

839
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: in the field and she's like her arms are going

840
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: and she's looking out, she's looking into the sun, and

841
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: like you can see she's in something a movie, she's

842
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: in a cartoon. It's actually really beautiful. And I will

843
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: say this, Kate, okay, and I haven't said this to

844
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: you yet. It makes me appreciate who you were when

845
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: you were a baby, when you were little, you know,

846
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: because watching my daughter, you know, be this person and

847
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: doing it truly for herself and not trying to perform

848
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: for anyone, it's just it makes her happy. It brings

849
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: her joy just to create and to imagine. And so

850
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: all of the times that I sort of beat Kate

851
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: down for the or what I perceived just just this

852
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: bullshit of trying to get attention, I have a different

853
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: perspective on it now because I can see my I

854
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: can see Kate and my daughter. You know that sounds

855
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: me all over things. I'm just trying to win podcast

856
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: awards all because you want one trophy, one trophy on

857
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: your I need something, I need something. Was it was

858
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: there harmony in the house all the time? I mean

859
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: was there? Was it a beautiful, loving household all the time?

860
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: Were there fights? I feel like anybody who tells you

861
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: that their family was like harmonious every single minute of

862
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: the day is lying. Yeah, I didn't grow in that

863
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: house anyway. Yeah. Absolutely fights. I mean me and this

864
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: one fought like cats and dogs really like yeah, absolutely absolutely.

865
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: It's like funny because it's like there is there no person.

866
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: She's my best friend, period and no story. Let me

867
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: like start there. And of my siblings, I think it's

868
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 1: also fair to say that like, of all of us,

869
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: we are the closest. We are exactly where girls, we're

870
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: closer to the age we shared a room to on

871
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: top of it that we're all close, but like within

872
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: that closeness, like the two of us are closed. Yeah,

873
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: And I say that to say that, it's like it's

874
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: so bizarre to me that that happened, not bizarre that

875
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: it happened, but like it's amazing because it's like we

876
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: definitely were like tearing at each other as kids, you know,

877
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: to be like that's I mean from close. Ever it

878
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: was ever physical. Yes, I'll drop down, drag out like

879
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: brothers off you love each other. I'm just kidding full on,

880
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: like fully like get off, get off, you know what

881
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: I mean, like going full tilt in absolutely absolutely, but

882
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: like she's like my best I don't even want to

883
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: say best friend, like you're my sister, like my my best,

884
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: very best I say my very best friend whenever I

885
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: talked about Was there ever a time though, when when

886
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: when it was so contentious that it was like I'm

887
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: not talking to you, fuck off? You know it was

888
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: one of those moments in your life Did you ever

889
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: have that? You know, not for an extent, not for

890
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 1: no I was gonna say. I feel like we always

891
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: were very quick to make up, and these fights, like

892
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: although there could be like super intense, usually started with

893
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: are those my genes? Exactly? We were getting over going

894
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: to World War three over like some petty dumb nobody's

895
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: still like I'm talking like exactly what wait that sandwich.

896
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: I know, did you mind say much? It's like I

897
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: clearly like it's like that kind of like I literally

898
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: said that sandwich in the fridge of mine. I'd be

899
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: like I didn't like whatever you be like I you

900
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: like full yes over nothing over? Was what you What

901
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: was your motivation for crazy eyes? I know this, yes, exactly,

902
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: full tilt, full, full till. But we can but also

903
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: make up, like we do make up very quick. When

904
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: you left for college, what was that like for you?

905
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: Did you feel the loss of your sister, like not

906
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: being in the house. Yeah, I think so, But I

907
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: also think I kind of enjoyed it a little bit

908
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: at first. I'm trying to think, did I cry when

909
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: I cried when you left for college? Yes, I have

910
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: a story about that. Yeah, I mean that to your

911
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: seating your eyes share. Okay, So I was like super

912
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: ready to go to college, Like I was like excited,

913
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, like probably from the shut up, Like

914
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: was ready to like have a space. Not just like

915
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: by the way, it's not just teach, it's like all

916
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: of my siblings thing, but like having a space to

917
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: be like I'm going to get to like thing and

918
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: be loud and I'm gonna be around like other artists people.

919
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: I went to school for three yards, so I was

920
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: like stoked, and I don't know what about college was

921
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: like so exciting to me, but the idea was like,

922
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to college. You know whatever. I remember I

923
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: used to after my high school graduation, like all the stuff,

924
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, the graduation gifts you get whatever. Yeah, I

925
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: would like go through the pile and like rearrange it

926
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: just to have as much contact to the moving out

927
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: as I could possibly have whatever. And I would say

928
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: I remember all that summer and be like, you guys,

929
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to college, like I'm not going to live

930
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: here anymore. And Chee Chee specifically would always be like, oh,

931
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: you're not going that far. You're going to Boston, like

932
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: I went to Boston University, go Terriers and they'd be

933
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: like She'd be like, you're going to be forty five

934
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: minutes away, like I can come and see you whenever

935
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: I want, and I'd be like, stop sales, it's not far,

936
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: like I could tell you whatever I want. And I

937
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but like I don't live here, like

938
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: you know. It kept like reiterating that and being like

939
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: I'm going to be gone like this, that and the

940
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: other all summer long. And then the day I was

941
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: going to school also was the day when you had

942
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: double sessions for field for field hockey, and so you

943
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: couldn't like tryouts for her for the team, and so

944
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: she couldn't come with me because you had, like in

945
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: order to be on the team or whatever, you have

946
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: to do double sessions. So she couldn't come with our

947
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: family to move me in. And so I just remember

948
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: being in the kitchen and she was running out with

949
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: her field hockey stuff, and I was like, g she

950
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to collegeident and she's like, oh right, yeah, okay, bye,

951
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: I have a good time, like pats me and like

952
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: give me a hug. She's like, have a great time,

953
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: like I'll see you their. I was like okay, bye, leaves,

954
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: and I went back to doing whatever I was doing kitchen.

955
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: And it was August and so our like main door

956
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: was opened, but you know, like the likes like glass

957
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: screen door whatever was closed, and I just know I

958
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: had my back turned to the door and I was

959
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: doing whatever I was doing in there, and I just

960
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: heard the glass door open and like shutting. I was like,

961
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: who just came in the house and it was Chee Chee,

962
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: and she was sobbing and she was like gave me

963
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: like the biggest hug, and she was like, I'm really

964
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: gonna miss you. She was like I love you so much,

965
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: Like I'm so really sad You're not like gonna be

966
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: here anymore. And then I wound up saying I was like,

967
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: Chee chee, I'm going I'm only going to be forty

968
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: five minutes away. I'm like saying back to her, like

969
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: all the things, like you can come and visit me anytime,

970
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like all of that, like,

971
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: and I was sad because it's like it's chee che

972
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: You know, you were only forty five minutes away. Did

973
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: it did your relationship shift even though you were so

974
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: close because you were sort of becoming independent from your family,

975
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: you know? And did you guys separate a little bit

976
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: even emotionally or no, I don't think so. Yeah, not emotionally,

977
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: but definitely like you were you did not come home

978
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: every weekend. You were not like one of those those people.

979
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: Even though you were only forty five minutes away. You

980
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: did feel like you were away for sure. And we

981
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: were both super busy but and then I also think

982
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: that like I, you know, became more independent, Like you know,

983
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: I was alway still very like like that before. Uh chee, chee.

984
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: Let's talk about what you got into your track and field.

985
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: But now you're like doing all this amazing marketing. Yeah,

986
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean share with us what you what you're doing. Yeah.

987
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: So I work at an advertising agency, a global agency,

988
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: and we basically just developed campaigns and you know, Guide

989
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: and Steward brands. You know, we have brands like MasterCard

990
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: and Microsoft, like big global ones which are cool and

991
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So we work with like creative

992
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: teams and come up with campaigns and things, and you know,

993
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: strategists and like really understand consumers and really kind of

994
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: help architect the vision in the future where we want

995
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: to take a particular brand. So it's a lot of fun.

996
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: Do you like it? Do you like what you do?

997
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: I love what I do. It's super fun, And I

998
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: also think this is a really good time to be

999
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: doing it. I feel like consumers now are so aware

1000
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: of brands. Before in the past, I feel like you

1001
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: went to the store and you picked up your like

1002
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: paper towels and or whatever. You didn't really think so

1003
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: much about what that brand meant or what it's did for.

1004
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: And now I feel like, especially like you know, millennials

1005
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: and gen z are super aware of like does this

1006
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: brand align with my value? And they are going to

1007
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: cast their vote with their dollar. And it's amazing to

1008
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: see like some of these like young brands coming up

1009
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: in the world completely in like the digital social space,

1010
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: and you think of like you know, Casper and you

1011
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: know Peloton and all these things. They barely spend anything,

1012
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: but it's like people just you know, they're like, this

1013
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: is aligned with what I believe in, you know, and

1014
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to support that. Okay, well I love that.

1015
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: Now for you, everybody really knows you as Crazy Eyes,

1016
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: which everyone fell in love with. How has it been

1017
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: sort of now that the curtains closed on that show?

1018
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: It was definitely sad when it finished, for sure, And

1019
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: I think it was weird because it was sad. It

1020
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: was sad more so the start of it that year

1021
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: than the end of it. I would say, well, the

1022
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: end was sad because you know obviously when they say

1023
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: series rap, but we knew or some of us knew

1024
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: going into the season previous that it was or the yeah,

1025
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: they going into the season previous that we were ending,

1026
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: So the start of it was more sad. I felt like,

1027
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: because you know, this is the last one, and I

1028
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: was feeling overwhelmed with that sadness initially, and then I

1029
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: just kind of changed the thought in my mind to

1030
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: really appreciate every end as I had the first season

1031
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: that we did. It's like, this is the first episode one,

1032
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: and I'm so excited. I'm and enjoy this, and then

1033
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: when we finished, feeling like this is the last episode one.

1034
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to enjoy this and have that experience.

1035
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: I think when we finished, it was sad on the

1036
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: days we'd work with the last director for that, you

1037
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: know that we'd been working with, and it was sad

1038
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: when we finished, but it didn't really hit I think

1039
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: the level of it until when we would normally be

1040
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: coming back to work. We weren't coming back to work,

1041
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, because when we finished, it's when we would

1042
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: normally be finishing. So you're used to that seven years

1043
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: of routine of rapping and then you're gonna have a

1044
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: long time. This a long time. And I think what

1045
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: I was like what I was saying before earlier, when

1046
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: we were talking about it. I think the thing that

1047
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: is hardest about it is missing the assumption. Like I

1048
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: miss assuming that I'm going to see you know, Dash,

1049
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to see Jackie, I'm going to see Diane,

1050
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see Danielle. I'm going to see you know

1051
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: on Friday when or sometime during this like episode, I'm

1052
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: going to have that experience. That's the saddest part about it.

1053
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: I would say, what are you looking forward to? I

1054
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: am looking forward to hopefully getting to keep telling stories

1055
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: that I found as interesting as I found Orange to

1056
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: Be and characters as well as characters as one the

1057
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: one I found to be playing on Orange to Be.

1058
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: And I say, it's interesting because it's like I don't

1059
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: know before I like, obviously I'm an actor. Like it's

1060
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: like we are like fifty percent full narcissist and like

1061
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: fifty percent like please pop with us, and then like

1062
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: fifty percent like why am I nobody? You know, I'm terrible?

1063
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, like that kind of a thing. Yeah, you

1064
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like we live both worlds or

1065
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: I do anyway simultaneously in my head and space. But

1066
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: like what I know is my core thing is that

1067
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: I love doing this like you were saying earlier, It's

1068
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 1: like Kate was downstairs just like it wasn't all you

1069
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: weren't being on You were just like doing it because

1070
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: you love it, and like the same has always been true.

1071
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: Didn't come into this business to like for like the

1072
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: glitter and the like, you know what I mean. It

1073
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: was like I was doing where we were in Greenwich Village,

1074
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: I did love. According to Luke, not the second job

1075
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: I ever had in New York right around the corner

1076
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: from here, at a ninety nine seat house black box

1077
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: around the corner, still to this day as one of

1078
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: the best shows I ever got to be a part of.

1079
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying. That's the show where I

1080
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: realized you were good. You're really good. But I loved it.

1081
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: But it's like that was the animal that I was feeding.

1082
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: What everything I just said, It's like at the same time,

1083
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: one of my favorite jobs that I've ever had. I

1084
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: made seventy five dollars total for it, and it was

1085
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: literally to buy a subway pass to get me to

1086
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: and fro from it. That was the money that they

1087
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: gave me. And that was when I was waiting tables

1088
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: at the time, like I didn't. I genuinely did not care.

1089
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: Like I loved it. I thought the show was amazing,

1090
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: I thought the music was amazing. I thought everybody and

1091
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: it was amazing. I loved doing it here in the

1092
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: city like boom, you know, like I loved it, But

1093
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: I also am a person, and I understand I can't

1094
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: live off of seventy five dollars forever, you know what

1095
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean. And I knew I wanted. I knew I

1096
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: wanted to keep doing that kind of work that excited me,

1097
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: but at a higher level, you know what I mean,

1098
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: that was what I wanted. I was like so excited

1099
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: when Orange came because it had that level of interest

1100
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: and satisfaction artistically up here in my heart and gut

1101
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: that I was getting at theater for a new city,

1102
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: at the you know whatever, the store front theater, whatever,

1103
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that I was doing before

1104
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: a New York theater workshop, doing the seventh whatever. And

1105
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful that the jobs that came after Orange

1106
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: that I've been a part of have had that feeling

1107
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: in them. But you also knew that you had to

1108
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: grow up in a sense, you know, meaning like you

1109
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: were not willing to live out your days at seventy

1110
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: five dollars doing great work. You were willing to give

1111
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: that up. I think I had been very much so

1112
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: strictly in theater, one part because I loved it, and then,

1113
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: if I'm being really honest, another part because I did

1114
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: not believe that there was a space for me in

1115
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: the other and the idea of reaching for it and

1116
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: being told no, because you don't look like the girl

1117
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: that we put in these projects. I'd never seen a

1118
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: space for myself exist, like it just didn't. And the

1119
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 1: truth was I was afraid of like that rejection and

1120
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 1: like not just like oh my work rejection, like a

1121
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: rejection of myself. I can't change myself to suddenly be

1122
01:04:54,240 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: whatever was in vogue at the time, and it felt

1123
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: too dangerous to dream. It too dangerous a thing to

1124
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: dream for or reach for. And then at the year

1125
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: that I quit, which was twenty twelve, I was doing

1126
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: a show on Broadway in New York, and I don't know,

1127
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: like I honestly don't know. Somewhere in me I think

1128
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: opened up to like to actually try. It was the

1129
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: first time I took an what's it called an on

1130
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: camera class since moving to New York. I've never taken

1131
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: one before, and I was like, let me see about

1132
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: this thing, and I got I think, yeah, really what

1133
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 1: we see about it? But I think it was like somewhere, somewhere,

1134
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in me, I think I like wanted to dare

1135
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: and I would go and take this class. Like I

1136
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: don't know however long it was that I was taking

1137
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: it for. And then I met a manager who came

1138
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: to see the show who lived in LA and she

1139
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: wanted to meet with me, and I was like, I

1140
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: need help. I don't know how to do this at all.

1141
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: And she was like I think you know because after

1142
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: she had said that I could have retired for her

1143
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: film and television, I was like no, and she was like,

1144
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: I think you should give this a go. And I

1145
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: was like, I need help doing this, and honestly, Oliver

1146
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: like I think because she lived in Los Angeles, I

1147
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: was like, this woman from Hollywood thinks I can do this.

1148
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: I think that was my thought and it gave me

1149
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: like a little bit of hope and I had never

1150
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: let myself hope for it. And so then when she

1151
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: was like you're not We're not taking any she was like,

1152
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: we're not taking any theater auditions or theater offers were

1153
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: only strictly focusing on film and television, and I was like,

1154
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: I've never been offered a theater job. I'm alike. But

1155
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: I was like, but we can all live in that space.

1156
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: What you think is like, I'm sure, no more offer totally,

1157
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I was like, you know,

1158
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: and like I was really trying now, you know, Like

1159
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: and it was scary because a that's how I was

1160
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: making my life. Like by that point, I was making

1161
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: my living, you know, doing acting. It was humble living,

1162
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: but I was making it and I was very proud

1163
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: of it. But I was now like not working. The

1164
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: little money I had saved is like disappearing faster than night.

1165
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: And on top of it, I'm audition I was like

1166
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:41,919
Speaker 1: auditioning a ton, you guys. And it was like constantly no,

1167
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: like every single part thing, everything, no. And so I

1168
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: quit because my greatest fear was happening, do you know

1169
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I had led a little bit

1170
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: of daylight of hope in and then it was like

1171
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: it felt like the door just kept getting slammed in

1172
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: my face. For the thing that I was most afraid

1173
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: of is that like, there's no place for me here

1174
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: and now you're trying and we already told you that,

1175
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: and it just made me sad because it's like, I

1176
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: don't know, I had never quit before. I just had

1177
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: never quit before. I had felt like doubt or like questioned,

1178
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: or I'd called my mom and been like what is

1179
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: this gonna be? And did you ever call your siss

1180
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: in these moments? Is that the kind of stuff? Did

1181
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: you guys talk about this? Absolutely? We had only just

1182
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 1: when this happened. When I quit, it was September twenty twelve.

1183
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 1: Chi che and I were roommates in New York up

1184
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: until the November before, you know, so like we've lived

1185
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: My whole New York experience minus one year is with

1186
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: Chi Chee living together. Right, So you were there through

1187
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: all of this, Oh, totally totally And what was your

1188
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 1: feeling on what she was going through? Well, I'd already

1189
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: seen love, according to Luke, So I was like, you're

1190
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: really good, and so I thought it was just like,

1191
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, one part talent, one part opportunity. And so

1192
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: I was like, the talent is there, we just need

1193
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, the opportunity. And I could

1194
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: totally see some of those fears and some of those

1195
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, like every no is like

1196
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: a little bit of like corroding of your you know,

1197
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 1: your esteem or your you know, your dream or your hope.

1198
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: And but I just felt like I knew it was

1199
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't know why, just somewhere in

1200
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: my heart, I was like, I know this is going

1201
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: to happen. You know, you work super hard, you're incredibly talented.

1202
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: At some point the stars will align. But I do

1203
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: remember like the days of like Uzzo, like doing seventy

1204
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: five dollars shows, waiting tables, Horrible Monster Milestone when you

1205
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: didn't have to wait tables anymore, and that was like,

1206
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Like we're making a living. This is progress,

1207
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: This is great, you know. And then I just remember

1208
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: were out to lunch summer. This is back when I

1209
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: used to buy all the meals. Yeah, and she's paying

1210
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: for like Chichi by the way. She's feeling this because

1211
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: it's like because you this like is important to be said.

1212
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: Like there are times where it's like we're living together

1213
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: and I can't make rent and Chee che like would

1214
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 1: cover me, you know what I mean, and not cover

1215
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: me just like pay me back when you can, like

1216
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: be like, don't worry about it, you know what I mean,

1217
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: like and really mean it. You feel like you're not

1218
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: like any yeah, no rush but yeah. But I just

1219
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: remember one time she was just like not getting a gig,

1220
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: like trying to figure it out, and we were sitting

1221
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: at this lunch table and she's like pouring her heart

1222
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: out about how tough this is. It's so hard, and

1223
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: I just remember she literally looks at me, dead in

1224
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: the face, tears in her eyes, like chee che I

1225
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: just can't go back to waiting tables. And I look

1226
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: at her and I go, so you are saying this

1227
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: like I just can't go back to slinging rock. I

1228
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: was like, is the worst? Like slap me back? And

1229
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: I think you will wait those table? But how great

1230
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: is it though? How great is it though that you

1231
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:04,480
Speaker 1: went and that you went from the girl who didn't

1232
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, think there was a place for to now

1233
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: having created a place for other girls to aspire to,

1234
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, that's a pretty special

1235
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: thing that you have accomplished and are continued continuing to

1236
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: accomplish throughout your career. You know, it's pretty awesome, Thank you.

1237
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I think that it wouldn't just be myself.

1238
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: But I think we came along. I came along, and

1239
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: our show came along at a time when people were

1240
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: itching for their themselves, you know what I mean? The

1241
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: thing that I was feeling. I think people were feeling

1242
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: like they wanted to something want want for something else,

1243
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: and the value of something else, not one singular thing

1244
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: to be valued. Yeah, what was that audition? Like, by

1245
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: the way, was that Did you read that? And You're like, Okay,

1246
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: I could go kill this thing, this just could be it. Well,

1247
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: I didn't read for that part. I read for a

1248
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: trystar on the show who was going away, and I

1249
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this is so perfect. You know I

1250
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: ran track too. I read track in college is great.

1251
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: But whatever. I went to one of my best friends,

1252
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 1: Lisa's house, because I ever read three auditions that day.

1253
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: I put my hair. I had gone to one. It

1254
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: was summer and I had like a nice curl out

1255
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, Lise, I have three auditions today.

1256
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: The second ones for this thing orange is to be Black.

1257
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: I have to go home because it's hot and I

1258
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: need to put my hair back in my bond two

1259
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: Knots to get a nice curl out again because I'm

1260
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna like sweat it out. And then I honestly got

1261
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: lazy and I just left it in the knots, which

1262
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: is how the Knots who. I was like, I don't

1263
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: want to take these out again. I was like, I

1264
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: was like, it's prison. It's fine. I genuine like thought

1265
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: about it. It's fine. Like I was like, I'm just

1266
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: gonna leave it like this. And so I went in

1267
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: and I read from our casting director Jen Houston, who

1268
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 1: had also had come to see this play I'd been doing,

1269
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: and she was like, I read the part. I just remember.

1270
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: I genuinely don't like super reve since to watch the tape,

1271
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: but I don't super remember the audition other than I

1272
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 1: remember the first time I read it, I yelled this,

1273
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 1: like the fuck the like whatever the line said, like

1274
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,679
Speaker 1: super loud, and she was like, that was really good.

1275
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: Just don't do yell fuck the second time around, and

1276
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 1: I was like okay, and so like I did it

1277
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: the second time and I was like fuck and like

1278
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,679
Speaker 1: I finished, and she was like that was really good,

1279
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: and you know, like castin director say that all the time,

1280
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 1: and I was like thank you, and she's like, no,

1281
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: that was really good, and I was like, I won't

1282
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 1: be seeing you again. I got it, I've got it,

1283
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: you know whatever. And that was like essentially the audition

1284
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: that was the that's it. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't.

1285
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: When did you hear you at the part? I heard?

1286
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: I got the part September fifteenth, twenty twelve, at five

1287
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: forty three. I remember it. I like the I had

1288
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: quit because I'd had another audition for a part that

1289
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: I got. Then I went late to this. I shouldn't

1290
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: say I was late. I got the wrong directions and

1291
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: wanted being late for it. And I was like so

1292
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: devastated because I thought, like I'd worked on this, you know,

1293
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: it's under five part and I was like, but I

1294
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: feel I can say this like this kind of different way.

1295
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: And I left the audition. I cried the whole way

1296
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: because I really thought that was a part that I

1297
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: could get and do well. And I was devastated. That

1298
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 1: was the day I quit Oliver and I got home

1299
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: like literally three train transfers cried the entire time. Was

1300
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: on the last train, Like I was like, it's fine,

1301
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to order sushi. I'm gonna order one. I'm smiling,

1302
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: like this is a typical day. She's like, oh God,

1303
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, I've done this, not just this time. He's like,

1304
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 1: this time, I meant it. But I did call Chi

1305
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: Chi to be like come over, you know, like come over,

1306
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: and I was gonna tell her when she came over

1307
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: that I was quitting, and I was like, I'm gonna

1308
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: call my agent and my manager on Monday to be

1309
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: like I'm out. And between that train ride when I

1310
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: had decided I was quitting and before Chee Chee came over,

1311
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: I was watching Oprah's Masterclass and Lauren Michaels was the

1312
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 1: episode and I had been skipping it forever on my DVR,

1313
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, I wanted to watch it. And

1314
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: he was talking about SNL and like starting that, and

1315
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: I guess it was like panned initially when it first

1316
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: came out, and so then like everybody wanted to pull

1317
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: the plug or whatever, and then he was like, let's

1318
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 1: give it one more chance, and I was like, and

1319
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: he says something like I said, if I could just

1320
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: keep the faith, and I kid you not, It's on

1321
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: TV and across the screen the words keep the faith

1322
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:05,640
Speaker 1: scrolled pass and it looked like a country time lemonade commercial.

1323
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: Is all only way I can describe it, like like

1324
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: purplely reddish sky with like a big oak tree and

1325
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: a swing and then like something on this side of

1326
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: the screen like curtains and something that's like almost felt

1327
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 1: like it smelled good, like like a pie or something

1328
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: on this side of the screen. And you know how

1329
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: like if you watch Masterclassic dissolves into the re enactment,

1330
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: it was like that part and it said keep the

1331
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: faith dot dot dot, and I remember this is why

1332
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: I remember it. I remember being like, oh, I really

1333
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: like that. When this is over, I'm gonna rewind back

1334
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: to that take pose it, take a picture and tweet that.

1335
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: And I finished saying tweet that and my phone rang,

1336
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: and that's when I got the call for Oranges the

1337
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: New Black, And then I never went back to watching it.

1338
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: Chi Chi came over like wine and Sushi party, Quitting

1339
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: party becomes like wine and Sushi part already I'm going

1340
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: to be on TV or web series. You're literally like,

1341
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you didn't even know what it

1342
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 1: really I mean, you knew, but you didn't know. No,

1343
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know. And then like two weeks later, I

1344
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: went back like I was like, oh, I never took

1345
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: that picture. I'm gonna take the picture now. Like I

1346
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: was like, let me go and do it. And I

1347
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: was like fast forwarding trying to find it. I was

1348
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: like I must have been fast forwarding too fast. So

1349
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: I like went back to the beginning to like watch it,

1350
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: like to catch it. Wasn't there no story, no truth? Yes,

1351
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: I mean yes, looking forward. Do you ever get into

1352
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: wanting to develop your own stories? Yes, something I definitely

1353
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: have thought about doing. Am doing kind of in line

1354
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: with like the orange of it all being like new

1355
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: I think also our experience, you know, growing up and

1356
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: feeling like we were outside of what we were outside

1357
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: of our house like everybody else was experiencing, you know,

1358
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: as far as like being the only black family here,

1359
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: and not only the only black family, were the only

1360
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: Nigerian family here, you know, like all of this stuff.

1361
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: It became very important to me looking at the landscape.

1362
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: I say it all the time, it's like wanting to

1363
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 1: tell the stories of the missing those things that are

1364
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 1: those things people and stories that are missing that I

1365
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: know can't be a singular story. I know it can't

1366
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 1: be that somebody, just one person alone had that experience

1367
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: and nobody else can like attach any emotional correspondence or

1368
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: connection to it, you know. So I want to be

1369
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: a part of that, both from an acting and but

1370
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: also creation. You realize, women, we have a really hard

1371
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: time getting really great roles written for us, and you

1372
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: just have to do yourself absolutely. I mean I say

1373
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: all the time, it's like, if you were to look

1374
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: back on history, it's like apparently Betsy Ross and like

1375
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: Florence Nightingale were the only women who ever did anything,

1376
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: Like no one else did ever, maybe Amelia Earhart, like

1377
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, that's the extent

1378
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: of our participation in the world. You know, it's like

1379
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: that erasure, you know what I mean. You just start

1380
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: to think, like, wow, how many stories, if we were

1381
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: to tell the like story about the Declaration of Independence,

1382
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: were in that story that we never heard of? You

1383
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Just that kind of thing. I

1384
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: just know the cant that cannot be it. I just

1385
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: know that can't be the extent of it. Yeah, And

1386
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: I think there's like a huge misconception because I'm sure

1387
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: these like studio people or whoever else are thinking about like,

1388
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: you know, can I scale this, We'll be there enough

1389
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: people out there who can relate to it or be

1390
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: interested in it. And I think the misconception is that

1391
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: even if this is a story that you know, there's

1392
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 1: a small pocket of people who that is their experience,

1393
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: we don't give everyone else enough credit that they may

1394
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: also see a bit of themselves in it, or at

1395
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: least can just appreciate it and be entertained by it

1396
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: and enjoy it. Tell us about the FX series. The

1397
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 1: FX series that I am working on is called Missus America,

1398
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: and it's about the women's movement of the seventies and

1399
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: all the different figures, some of who have been forgotten

1400
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: over time that actually played a role in that. On

1401
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: both sides. It kind of our show creator Dobbie Waller,

1402
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:20,440
Speaker 1: she says it really well, it's like it's the genesis

1403
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: of like some of the culture wars that we experienced

1404
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 1: today still today. And I thought I played Shirley Chislm

1405
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: Representative Shirley Chislm in it, who was the first woman

1406
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: and the first black person to ever run for president

1407
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: and was also the first black woman to ever serve

1408
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 1: in US Congress. And I think That's pretty wild when

1409
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: you think about it, because you know, she when she

1410
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: ran for Congress in one you know, Martin Luther King

1411
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: had just been assassinated when she ran for president. He

1412
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: was his death in the Civil Rights Act. You know,

1413
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: the right to vote was still like the shadow was

1414
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: still looming on that time. And she was just such

1415
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: a She's a force of nature and a woman who

1416
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: knew who she was was not limited. Again, reminds me

1417
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: a lot of my mom drawn out of that where

1418
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: was not limited by someone's idea of who she was.

1419
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: She knew who she was and those were the conditions

1420
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:25,520
Speaker 1: under which she lived. And it's with Kate Blanchette, who's amazing,

1421
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: So she's amazing, She's amazing, and so many incredible women,

1422
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: Rose burn tercy Ulmen, Margot Martindale, you know, Elizabeth Banks,

1423
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 1: and the list goes on and on. And it was

1424
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: a great second job to Orange Clothing because having come

1425
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: from a show with so many women and telling a

1426
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: story that was impactful, it was really awesome to go

1427
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 1: into another show with so many women that's impactful, and

1428
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: I really I was excited about it because I think

1429
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: with time we can people can sort of drift out

1430
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 1: of the narrative, out of our history books, and certain

1431
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: figures can become athologized into such a way that you

1432
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: don't even know all of the inner workings or all

1433
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: of the people who got things to a certain place,

1434
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, when advanced our country forward. And I think

1435
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: what's really great and special about this is that it

1436
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 1: really gives every woman their opportunity to be seen in shine,

1437
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, which I'm not sure if we always get that.

1438
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, really, yeah, that's fantastic And I can't wait. Okay,

1439
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: one word to describe the other, honest, thoughtful, h one

1440
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: word to describe your younger selves, like twelve years old,

1441
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: twelve years old, and I have to like think back,

1442
01:22:54,040 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: quiet there, dramatic, yea need to go first. But who

1443
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: calls the other more? Oh? Me, like me? And the

1444
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: most unappropriate times I also call her like on repeat

1445
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: until I asked you. I'm at work. I know you're

1446
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 1: at work. You know that. You know the problem today

1447
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: is like cell phones. With cell phones, you know when

1448
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: someone has hung up on you know, when they've just

1449
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: pushed in Yeah until Texans are you sending me? You

1450
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: gotta let it through? You got it? Ring? I would

1451
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: used to call GG like not so much now because

1452
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: hashtag I've learned boundaries. But I used to like call

1453
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: G at work, like literally at her job, and she

1454
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: would be like hello, and I'd be like hey, and

1455
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 1: she'd be like, Hey, what's up? What's going on? Is

1456
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: everything okay? I'd be like, yeah, okay, So I just

1457
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: wanted to figure out what time did we want to

1458
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: get together to go to the movies. And she's like,

1459
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm at work, Like we can't do this, I know,

1460
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: but it's like important. She's like, do not call me?

1461
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,120
Speaker 1: And I used to tell GG it'd be like, what

1462
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 1: do you do at work all day? And she'd be

1463
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: like telling me if you're like, what do you think

1464
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: I do at work all day? Be like, I don't know.

1465
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 1: I just had this vision of like a computer screen,

1466
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: like you know, like the matrix, just like numbers scrolling,

1467
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: like lots of paper clips, and like organizing like ear

1468
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: nosing exactly stay file cabinet and copy of it dropping stop.

1469
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what you do. I

1470
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 1: was like, anyway, who's better at karaoke? That is going

1471
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: to be contentious and top go ahead. I don't know

1472
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: about listen. She's a better singer for sure, but karaoke, yeah,

1473
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: that's a whole that's different. And absolutely I would say

1474
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: Uzo is good at letting me be better at karaoke.

1475
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: We do it a lot. I mean I used to

1476
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: carry around. I used to carry around a laminated list

1477
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 1: of my go to karaoke song because when I would

1478
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: be drunk in a bar, I would forget like one

1479
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 1: of my good songs. And so we hosted like an

1480
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: audition on a Saturday. I was like, you've got to

1481
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: just we got I got melted all together together and

1482
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:58,920
Speaker 1: she's like, that song doesn't sound good on your voice.

1483
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: This song is much better and I made this sounds fun.

1484
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: We need to do this. That's awesome. We have a

1485
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: duet song that I was like, what is it? Wilson

1486
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: Phillips hold on before before stole it from us? Who

1487
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: did you tell that I did to nobody? Feel like

1488
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,680
Speaker 1: when we're like the night's gone on long enough that

1489
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: it's like we gotta really pull that out and we'll

1490
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 1: start doing it like on like we're gonna be like working.

1491
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,839
Speaker 1: It's ridiculously you work the crowd. You have to wait Onie.

1492
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: We need to up our karaoke game. Most disagreed on

1493
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: topic timeliness. Yes, you would think about something as fact time.

1494
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: Why not have a spectrum? Yes, like you were either

1495
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,799
Speaker 1: on time or you weren't. You would think, but based

1496
01:25:51,960 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: I think it's you're always late and lying. Wait, there's

1497
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: one time mos I used to have a stop away

1498
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 1: from me on the tree and I'd be like, all right,

1499
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: leave the house right now, and like i'll meet you.

1500
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: We'll make sure we get on the same train so

1501
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: we can go to the city and like sit next

1502
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 1: to each other. And I'd be like, I'm on the platform.

1503
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm on the train. She's at home, and

1504
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you in the first second cart from

1505
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 1: the front? I didn't see you. Maybe I'm on the

1506
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: next one. I guess I'm on the next one's home

1507
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: and not answering. Yeah, those texts, because I was like,

1508
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: now that's a blatant line like that, Oh my gosh,

1509
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 1: I can't answer that one. But then I'd be like,

1510
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: I'll talk to it when I'm on the train. I'd

1511
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, now I'm on the track. She's like

1512
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 1: I've been standing here for forty five and I'm like, oh, god,

1513
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: even today, Oh my goodness, day, this very morning. So

1514
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: I have to usually give myself like buffer time when

1515
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 1: I know, like she really needs to be like, you know,

1516
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: once time. So I'm like, she's like, what time are

1517
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: you coming to get me? I was like, I'm leeving

1518
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 1: the house of ten twenty and she was like, for real,

1519
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: ten that's usually like you and I both know something

1520
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: that your sibling is really bad at. I mean being

1521
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: on time. What are you really honestly, I don't know.

1522
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean excellent drivers. She's one of those Yeah, who's

1523
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: who's a better dancer? Who's But I've got a lot

1524
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: of heart. I yeah, she's got a lot of mos

1525
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: So who gives better advice? You do? Do you? I

1526
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: was going to say down the middle. I was like,

1527
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: that was gonna be my sinceres because I feel like

1528
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: you when we're like sitting down. First of all, I

1529
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,680
Speaker 1: think she knows how to like calm very well and

1530
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: like look at something from like the outside in, and

1531
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: I think it's yeah, I was gonna say down the line.

1532
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: I feel like we know each other well enough totally,

1533
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: not even well enough that feels like so surface but

1534
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: like so well that it's like but I feel like

1535
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking you off the ledgend. You need to talk

1536
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: me onto it a little bit, you know, like, oh,

1537
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,759
Speaker 1: like you know this this might feed into our last question.

1538
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: We always ask, Okay, who's wittier? I mean, you're very

1539
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: good with like a SoundBite and like quick. But then

1540
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: like Chichi also knows how che Che's you're very quick.

1541
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna say che Che. I was like, she's

1542
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: like very quick. She's like Chechie's very fast on her feet,

1543
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like she can like if

1544
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 1: you like are like surprising with her with an argument

1545
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 1: about like her jumpsuit or something, She'll be like five

1546
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:40,839
Speaker 1: months ago she recalled something very quickly and like defend

1547
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: hy x Y and Z. You know what I mean,

1548
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: she's quick, or like even making a joke, she's like

1549
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 1: very quick, Like she's very very quick. Who's best at

1550
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: keeping secrets? Me? Again, I mean here's the thing from

1551
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 1: each other. Neither exactly like the exsumption, we exactly like.

1552
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: It's like I will always say the vault. It's like

1553
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 1: this is going in the vault. And when I'm like

1554
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: talking about the vault, I mean like nobody except for

1555
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 1: Chee ching the vault and the only one with the

1556
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,879
Speaker 1: keys because I need to bounce this off of somebody

1557
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: or I need you know what I mean. But she

1558
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 1: is not telling anybody either, so it's like, yeah, that's

1559
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: such a good feeling. Yes, there's no, there is nothing,

1560
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: absolutely like, there is absolutely zero things that chi Chie

1561
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: does not know about me? Like who who was your

1562
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:36,719
Speaker 1: first celebrity crush? Joey McIntyre, O tied Joey mctide please

1563
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 1: schoolgirl like cute too? Yeah, Joey is still killing it

1564
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: out there, Joey McIntyre, but also Brendan Adams, Oh you

1565
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 1: do love him? From Polly? Who was your first question? Yeah?

1566
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: Who is your? Mine? Was creepily? Antonio Banderis who was

1567
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: on my wall? And I only say creepily he's super

1568
01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: handsome because he was so much older. Remember he's not creepy,

1569
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: but it was creepy that I liked him. So, but

1570
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm who's the better cook? Who's who's the most adventurous?

1571
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: Oh that's tough. I feel like we're both. I think

1572
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 1: I would say a frame it like naturally. I think

1573
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: maybe myself, But I feel like Chee Chee has learned

1574
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: to be Yes, that's I've like pushed myself out of

1575
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: the comfort zone. You were born outside the zone I'm

1576
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: going for I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna go Yeah,

1577
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. If you could quote one movie

1578
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: from start to finish, what would it be? Myself? Chee

1579
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 1: che and our brother Junior. We used to like say

1580
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 1: movies in the car like do you remember we used

1581
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: to do like the Lion care. Oh, like we'd be

1582
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: like be like moths, like just like start and do

1583
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: like the whole thing to all the way to the end.

1584
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: I feel like I could at a time have done

1585
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: adventures and babysitting without questioning. My god, I love that question.

1586
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 1: Oh I could also probably do like Devil wors Pradu

1587
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: loved Moving Love Fed. If you were casting someone as

1588
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 1: your sibling, who would it be? Asian Naomi King? Oh,

1589
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: how do you how to get away with murder? Okay, yes,

1590
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: that's who you're casting is me. She's like a model.

1591
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: You're welcome, thank you, Yes, you don't think? Well, then

1592
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: you get Beyonce. You're like, yes, I heard you answer,

1593
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: but I didn't really Okay. If you weren't doing what

1594
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 1: you were doing, what would you be doing maybe coaching

1595
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 1: or doing something in the sports, or be like a

1596
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: sports journalist. Yes, totally, I can totally see you're doing

1597
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: that too. I would be a lawyer well as I

1598
01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: feel like that comes from like the first generation. But

1599
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: like these only acceptable professions were like lawyer, doctor, They've

1600
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: now just accepted bankers, yes, engineer, engineers. Yes. For people

1601
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: who don't have connections with their siblings, like you guys do,

1602
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:22,759
Speaker 1: what what would you say to them? I mean, honestly

1603
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: like it. I think having a sibling is like one

1604
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: of the most important things because nobody sees your whole

1605
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: life from the very beginning all the way hopefully to

1606
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: the end. You know what I mean. Your parents aren't

1607
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: going to be here forever. You know, your children didn't

1608
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 1: see you when you were young, and I think that

1609
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 1: is just like such an interesting lens to watch someone else.

1610
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: And then in the specific case of you know, Uzo

1611
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: and I like, there is this is community emotional. There's

1612
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 1: never been any a relationship in my life that has

1613
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 1: meant more to me. There's no one I can tell

1614
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 1: like everything from things that I'm ashamed of, things that

1615
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm proud of, a place where I can be boastful

1616
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: without feeling, you know, like that's a problem. Someone I

1617
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: can go to for advice, someone that will literally comfort

1618
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: me when I'm in pain, someone who truly, honestly, you know,

1619
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: wishes the absolute best for you, you know, because that's

1620
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: not even always true with all your friends sometimes or

1621
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: your colleagues or other you know what I mean. It's

1622
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: very rare for someone who's like, I want absolutely the

1623
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,559
Speaker 1: best this world has to offer for you, you know.

1624
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 1: And I think that's really rare, and I think that

1625
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: really comes in the package of you know, particularly a sister,

1626
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: but you know, your siblings for sure. Beautiful. That's so

1627
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:36,400
Speaker 1: pretty beautiful. You should we should think about that. What

1628
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 1: she just said, Yeah, that doesn't apply to us. It's okay,

1629
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, we have our own path and it's fine,

1630
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: you know. All you want to ask our final, our

1631
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:55,679
Speaker 1: normal final question. So if you could take something from

1632
01:33:55,720 --> 01:34:00,639
Speaker 1: your sister for yourself that you could that you could

1633
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: implement in your life or have for your own, you know,

1634
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: what would it be? And then on the second part

1635
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: is if you could take something from your siblings, something

1636
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: that ails them a stressor or something you could alleviate

1637
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 1: in their lives. What would that be. I know what

1638
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: I would take the one thing I would take from

1639
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:27,679
Speaker 1: chi Chi. I mean, chi Chi is she's the best

1640
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:29,799
Speaker 1: thing that's ever happened to me in my life, like honestly,

1641
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 1: like echoing that, like the absolute, like she will be

1642
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: for anybody, like one hundred percent honest in such a

1643
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: loving way about I don't even know how to describe it.

1644
01:34:48,160 --> 01:34:50,679
Speaker 1: You can be one hundred percent like honest to every

1645
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: single person about if they ask you, it's like do

1646
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: you like this dress? And I would be like, I'll

1647
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 1: say it, but I'll be like either I'll say a

1648
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: tip too, farm be like no, you know what I mean?

1649
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 1: But she'd say something like what else you got in

1650
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: the closet? You know what I mean? Like she knows

1651
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: how to like just everybody, Like she knows how to

1652
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: bring love into a room, Like that would be in

1653
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: a way that's just like charged and and and magnetic

1654
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: and exciting and people love people love chi Chi like

1655
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 1: I would love she can. I'm like I can talk

1656
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 1: to anybody, but like I feel like chi Chi can

1657
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,640
Speaker 1: like settle and talk to anybody, do you know what

1658
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean? Like that's something I think, Like she's she's

1659
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 1: she's she's we're grounded in a different way. And then

1660
01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 1: I guess I would take more of her, like grounded energy,

1661
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: you know that I would love to have. What would

1662
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: I want to take away? Stress? I think that would

1663
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: be the thing I would take away, Like not to stress,

1664
01:35:55,720 --> 01:36:01,360
Speaker 1: not to sweat the small stuff like time. Yeah, not

1665
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: to stress. I think I would take from you like

1666
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: USO has an enormous amount of mental fortitude, Like she

1667
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: can mind muscle her way through anything. Like if you

1668
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,599
Speaker 1: put her at the bottom of everest, she would make

1669
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,759
Speaker 1: it to the top, you know what I mean, and

1670
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: down back again, probably with bodies on her back saving

1671
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like she can just literally

1672
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: she is so mentally strong and I don't even know

1673
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:26,040
Speaker 1: how she does it. You know where she can just

1674
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, force her way into through things. That is,

1675
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable. Like my mind sometimes will get the

1676
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 1: best of me, you know what I mean. That just

1677
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: never happens to her, you know, I just I don't

1678
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know how how that happens. What would

1679
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:48,680
Speaker 1: I take to alleviate for you? Not even that you're

1680
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: filled with this at all. But like I would say,

1681
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: just like any kernel of doubt, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's very difficult in your industry because it's like

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Speaker 1: you guys are being filled with doubt like left eye

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Speaker 1: right constantly, you know what I mean. And I think,

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Speaker 1: like I said before, I think it's hard because that

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Speaker 1: can you know, it can be corrosive if you're not careful,

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Speaker 1: you know. And I would just like that little niggle,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would completely take away because if you

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Speaker 1: could see yourself the way I see you, you know,

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Speaker 1: it would never be there. Well, I loved every second

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Speaker 1: of this. Thank you. Oh my god, you guys are

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Speaker 1: the most Kate, Olira Hudson and sim Sarna. Supervising producer

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Speaker 1: is Alison Presnik. Editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark

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Speaker 1: Hudson aka Uncle Mark.