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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Emily Abodi here bringing you episode one sixty

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Speaker 2: two of Hurdle, a Weileness focused podcast where I sit

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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, depending on when you're listening to this,

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Speaker 2: And while I am interrupting our regularly scheduled programming because

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Speaker 1: orchestration of crafting something from nothing, and I think my

440
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: brain works of like, Okay, well, I was a UNI student.

441
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 1: I was so poor, like I mean pooring the relative

442
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: schemes of university students that have to pay three four

443
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: hundred dollars to be able to do these races. So

444
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: I didn't have the money. So the first thing was, like, one,

445
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: will my university take time off to run around the world,

446
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: because I was in a serious degree where you can't

447
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,159
Speaker 1: normally just take absences. The second thing is if they

448
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: actually said yes, how could I fund this and see?

449
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: How can I train such a diversity of races? How

450
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: can I build my body up adapt and how can

451
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: I get the kit together? So it kind of it

452
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: was all these different pieces of the puzzle, and you

453
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of have to work on all of them simultaneously,

454
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: but some of them have to take a different priority

455
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: at certain times because you need, like certain ones to

456
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: gateway open in order for the next one to reveal itself.

457
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 1: So I think I like the puzzle.

458
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: The puzzle.

459
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 2: It's interesting to hear that there are so many barriers

460
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 2: to entry, so many hurdles if you will, about going

461
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: after a goal like this, because for many it would

462
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: be just we too much, but for you it were

463
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 2: super in tasting. So talk me through. Let's go straight

464
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: to that last of the four and what that experience.

465
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: Was like, Well, if you if I liked the puzzle

466
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: to begin with, when I finished Antarctica, I was a

467
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: completely different person, like my I'd gone from not being

468
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: a runner at a start with like not like a

469
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: serious runner. I pretty much walked the first race because

470
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: I was injured. To the very end, I was like

471
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: I was a competitor, like I was kind of competing

472
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: in the podium position, and I was just like I

473
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: can race this much, but actually adapting and understanding this

474
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: idea of you know, relentless forward emotion, you know where

475
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: slow progress is still progress, and like dropping the ego

476
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: when it gets to execution, but utilizing your ego to

477
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: get to start lines where you have no experience in.

478
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: And I love that about your twenties because I think

479
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, like ego and naivity are

480
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: really strong benefits to do things in arenas that you

481
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: have no exposure to. And so that was I use

482
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: that like and I'm a big advocate of like how

483
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: to play with your ego to make it your superpower,

484
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: like dropping it and then bringing it out at certain times.

485
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: But I remember thinking at the very end of the

486
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: Ford Deserts, I can do anything now, like anything. Then

487
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: there was a couple of k its, like I've got

488
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: to really want it, and I've got to be willing

489
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: to do the work. But I knew that if I

490
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: wanted to do the work and I wanted to be there,

491
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: I felt that I could do anything.

492
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 3: Two things.

493
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: First of all, talk to me about aan Arctica, like,

494
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: what's Antarctica?

495
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: Like?

496
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 3: Should we go?

497
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it was okay. We flew down to

498
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: a Shire which is like the southern Tip, and then

499
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: we caught a boat across the Drake's Passage and it's

500
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: pretty like intense the Drake's Passage. I remember I was

501
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: the very bottom of the boat, which was such small,

502
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: kind of unpleasant rooms, and it was like where the

503
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: boat was swaying the most. I remember one night I

504
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: was like going from like us chatting with Ryan Sands,

505
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: and then I was in the room next to him,

506
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: and I remember walking to my room and then the

507
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: boat just swung and I literally banged myself between the

508
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: bed that I had and the other person's bed and

509
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: I had this massive bruthe down my leg and I

510
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: haven't even started the race, so it's quite a journey

511
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: to get there. And you're in a space with all

512
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: these people who like to run, a lot of them

513
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: are quite introverts, and you have to spend like five

514
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: six days in each other's company and all you're doing

515
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: is eating bread and kind of trying to not have seasickness.

516
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: So I thought it was actually a really interesting social experiment.

517
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: And I was studying for my trustal or exam at

518
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: the same time, so it was so kind of it

519
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: was ridiculously silly. And then I get there and there's

520
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: all these rules, like when you're running a dataga, like

521
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: the rule is you were to give away to the penguins,

522
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: and I just thought that was really cool because it's

523
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: like here you are in this race, but the habitat

524
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: the environment are like the primary thing, like never really

525
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: should runners have the right of way in a landscape

526
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: that's not ours. And I liked that. I liked that

527
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: kind of like humbling nature of like respect, where you

528
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 1: are like tread lightly take out what you bring into

529
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: the space. And now it's cool. It's an amazing place.

530
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: It's incredibly volatile. Like one day we started running and

531
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're.

532
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: Like, get back to the zodiac boats.

533
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: And we literally ran for forty five minutes and then

534
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: we're like we could see that the weather was going crazy,

535
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: so we had to get back onto these little zodiac boats.

536
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: So then get back to the main boat. And so

537
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: the coolest thing and the weirdest thing of the race

538
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: is you never knew how long you would run for.

539
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: They literally would just base it on like the environment.

540
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: And I remember one year they got all the way

541
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: away Antarctica and then the weather was so bad. I

542
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: think they only got out of the boat twice. But

543
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: we had a pretty good year and it was like

544
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 1: maybe four or five times we got out and one

545
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: time we ran for forty five minutes and another time

546
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: we ran for twelve hours. And it was loops, so

547
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: there was so many It wasn't like any other other races,

548
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: which were a point A to point B. It was

549
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: like a track race, but in the snow, and you know,

550
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: you could see what other people were doing sometimes based

551
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: on what circuit they chose, and they chose different circuits.

552
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: That's just it was all novel. It kind of it

553
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: was sparking, like my different stimulus of like what running,

554
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: particularly alt running in a trial environment and it can

555
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: be probably more of an invention than like a structured rice.

556
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 3: And then the second thing is tell me how you

557
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: pronounce the word caveat.

558
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: Again, Keviat key, I'm like with.

559
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: Keviot Keveot, can I tell you that I used to

560
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: say it?

561
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: I used to pronounce it as caveat. No clue like

562
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: where I got that from, like where I learned that,

563
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: uh like pronunciation. And it was probably like three or

564
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: four months ago that I got like two or three

565
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: messages in a row and they were like, you know,

566
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: you say this word wrong, And I feel like you

567
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: should know that because I don't think it's intentional.

568
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: Don't you just love it when your community calls you

569
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: up in your pronunciation for something and it's like I'm like, thanks, guys,

570
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: thanks for kavin are real. I mean, I'm the kind

571
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: of cheek that when like a song's playing, I think

572
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: I know the words and so I'm saying it really

573
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: loud and then someone's like, oh my, like you've been

574
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: signed those wrong lyrics for a really long time, and

575
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just WoT the flow. I'm I'm just

576
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: film the music.

577
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: I'm just having a good time over here. Okay.

578
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: So I'm glad we established book of those things and

579
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: Octica sounds crazy. We have a new pronunciation lesson, and

580
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: now we can move on to when was I just

581
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: because I know a little bit of your story and

582
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm curious about this. I know you met your husband

583
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: on a reality television show, so segue meted that.

584
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Well, we've gone from two thousand and ten being the

585
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: end of the Four Deserts in November, and then I

586
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: met Mark after a couple of other suitors in between

587
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen twenty seventeen, yes, seven years later,

588
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: a couple of expeditions, passed, multiple job changes afterwards, and

589
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I was on Survivor and I met this man on

590
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: It's so funny because like I had, like I was

591
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: wearing like a pinafore dress, and I was because I

592
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: was trying to be like, okay, so I'm small and

593
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: sweet and cute, and that was kind of like I

594
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: was trying to go under the radar a little bit.

595
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: And he had this like big leather jacket and they

596
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: placed us. We were on a barge like in the

597
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: South Pacific because our race was in Samoa. And the

598
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: only scene that gets staged in Survivor, at least in Australia,

599
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: is like that first opening shot of the first maybe

600
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, and they take you out the day before

601
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: to shoot it, and then they take you back into

602
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: your hotel room and they're like tomorrow, it's game time.

603
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: But at the time you think that that's the start.

604
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: And I remember this sky with this leather jacket came

605
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: on and they put him on this like car on

606
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: this boat, and he was sitting on the bottom of

607
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: the car and they said to me, can you please

608
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: sit on that crate of eggant eggplants? And I'm like what.

609
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, can you sit on the crate that's

610
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: got the eggplants in it, But don't sit on the eggplants.

611
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: Can you just sit on the rim of the crate?

612
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh cool, we can totally tell status

613
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: right now. I'm on this rim of these creative eggplants.

614
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: And this guy is sitting on the bonnet of a

615
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: car like he looks like the Fonds. It was like,

616
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: all right, let's roll with it.

617
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: How did you end up going on Survivor, because again,

618
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: I feel like before you were saying the yes fees,

619
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: the yes quest hasn't actually ended, So I would think

620
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: that that's a big moment in the yes quest.

621
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: It was definitely yes moment. I had not long finished

622
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: my run across India, and I wouldn't say I'm lost.

623
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: I was definitely wasn't lost. Whenever I finish my runs,

624
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: people always go if you've got that hangover of that

625
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: experience being over, and I'm like, you know what, I

626
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: don't have, fomo. I don't have like the after race blues,

627
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: because like I give it everything, Like when I'm in

628
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: an expedition, I give my heart and soul to that

629
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: experience and I've got nothing left. And so it's like, okay, cool,

630
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: It's about rejuvenation time and then kind of regrouping and

631
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: then heading for the stars again, whatever that might be.

632
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: But in like a week period, I had three different

633
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: people tell me that I should apply for Survivor. And

634
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm also like a proponent of like listening to like

635
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: intuition and just kind of following, you know, your gunt.

636
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: And so I did an application like the final day

637
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: applications were there, and then the next day they called

638
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: me and then the audition process started, and the whole

639
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: time I was like, There's no way I'm going to

640
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: do this. This is really bad for like my corporate

641
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: speaking career. Who knows how they're going to betray me? Like,

642
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: you know, this is not what I really want. I've

643
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: never been into reality TV. And then I got Then

644
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: I got into the audition and they made you do

645
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: this like competition of like urpees and all this kind

646
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: of stuff, and I'm like, yeah, let's do this shit.

647
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: I'd like shifted my mentality so quickly from like not

648
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: wanting to do it and then to feeling like that rush.

649
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: But then I got on the island and it it

650
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: actually was harder than running across India, and I totally

651
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: didn't expect it to be that hard.

652
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: What about it made it that hard.

653
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: I definitely went into the show thinking it was there

654
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: was gonna be a high focus on like physical challenges,

655
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: and that me being me, which typically has me building

656
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: beautiful relationships, friendships, you know, influencing people positively to maneuver

657
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: in a direction that I would like, like all the

658
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: things I'm good at normally would be good on the show.

659
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: But it's amazing, how like what you're good at can

660
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: very quickly be said is a threat. And the way

661
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: the game works is like all you need is like

662
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: two people to say, well, Sam's a threat, and then

663
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're the person on everyone's radar.

664
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Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, oh, I just hadn't kind of

665
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: constructed the I mean, I work for myself, and Emily,

666
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: you might feel it too, because it had been a

667
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: long ago that I'd worked in a corporate arena, and

668
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: I think in a corporate arena you're more mentally skewed

669
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: for a little bit of like the ruthlessness of social

670
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: interplay that I choose every single person I come into

671
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: business with, and I consciously and I'm proud of like

672
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: the women that are in my life who were like

673
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: raise each other up and we're not compared each other

674
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: even if we're in the same place. I believe in abundance.

675
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm very like opposed to the scarcity mindset. And then

676
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I got on the island and

677
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, Sam, the person that you're being

678
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: is like, all of a sudden, not a good thing.

679
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: And it's totally gameplay. I know, it's not reality. But

680
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, so I remember really going quiet

681
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: and going I don't know what to say now because

682
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: I didn't go in with a game plan but to

683
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: be myself. And it's also really hard to lie to

684
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: people like and it's also hard to be in a

685
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: marina where people are lying to your face. I thought

686
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: i'd pay like, I'm like, it's a game, Sam, but

687
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: actually they're real humans. You actually need each other for survival,

688
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: to get food, to craft a shelter, to win challenges,

689
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: So you're breaking apart human needs. And it's also breaking

690
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: apart a human's need to belong. And I felt like

691
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, there were so many instances

692
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: where I didn't belong, and all of a sudden, I

693
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: felt like I was going back to like that school

694
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: yard mentality. And I guess it was more t triggering

695
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: for me than I thought.

696
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: A lot of past trauma coming into the mix here,

697
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: and I would be your missive, I didn't say, I mean.

698
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: You mentioned your India run as well. By this time

699
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, you had already raised more than one

700
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen thousand dollars via your efforts, whether it

701
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: be running across Australia or goodness, India or South Africa

702
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: like everywhere. So for you at this point, did you

703
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: really feel like you had fell into a groove and

704
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: that this would be your purpose.

705
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: I've always wondered, like I've never thought too far ahead,

706
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: Like I was a kid that always thought that I'd

707
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: have a five to ten twenty year plan. And the

708
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: older I get, the more I realize I don't want

709
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: to be held to that. I'm very open to like

710
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 1: evolve and to go with what feels right. And I

711
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: always said that I'll run and do these projects for

712
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: as long as it really feel is important because I

713
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: can tell you like how hard India was, where not

714
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: one day went to plan and like running up to

715
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, seventy five kilometers up to seventy five kilometers

716
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: every single day for seventy seven days, whilst still trying

717
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: to engage in community activations and understand stories and share

718
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: those stories, you know, particularly stories about the prevalence of

719
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: the sex trade and how that affects, you know, a

720
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: woman's right to get access to education, issues of poverty,

721
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: issues of child marriage. There was a lot to hold

722
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: and I felt like it was high deliverables and the

723
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: stakes were also high, and that wasn't even including like

724
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: the demands of the run. So yeah, I was a

725
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: little bit burnt out after India, and I definitely was

726
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: in the pendulum swing of recovery phase. And I hadn't

727
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: really thought, like, I don't like the what next question,

728
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'm like, what's next? Is a bloody would

729
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: lie down? And I think people forget even in like

730
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: a training cycle, the power in the importance of the

731
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: recovery day or even the active recovery, and that's where

732
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: like mental and physical like consolidation happens, like calibration. It's

733
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: what like fires us for the next session or the

734
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: next phase of our lives. So I hadn't thought too

735
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: far ahead, which is probably why I had space in

736
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: my life to even think about survivor. And yeah, like

737
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: it was, I felt, definitely felt I was in my

738
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: groove of like using running or adventure as a vehicle

739
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: for something. Yeah, because it was like I think it

740
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: was about three hundred and fifty thousand dollars by that

741
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: point through multiple projects, but none of them ever, I

742
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: would say for the efforts that I did physically and

743
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: mentally and logistically to the funds that I raised. It

744
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: was definitely disproportionate, but a lot came down to the

745
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: awareness building of the campaigns as well for.

746
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: The actual fundraising component.

747
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: I know that often, especially when it comes to runners,

748
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: we use these runs as a vehicle to do just that,

749
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: to raise money for you in your process. I'd love

750
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: if you could shut a little late about how this

751
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: may have worked at different points for different causes, because

752
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, although they want to

753
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: do something at similar they want to raise funds, they

754
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: want to support a cause, oftentimes they may feel uncomfortable

755
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: about what has to go hand in hand with that.

756
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: Such a good question, and I get asked about this

757
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: a lot because a lot of people have really great

758
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: aspirations of using their running as a vehicle for something.

759
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: And then I get a lot of dms about, Okay,

760
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to raise a million dollars. It's always the

761
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: sum that everyone wants to raise. How did you do it?

762
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: And like, my first thing is going and they also

763
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: go how did you get sponsored to have your costs

764
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: covered to do it? The first thing is you've got

765
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: to want to do it. You've got to want to

766
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: do it for you because if you don't want to

767
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: do it for you, then you can't possibly try and

768
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: do it to raise funds or you know, to generate

769
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: awareness for a certain thing, like that's got to be

770
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: the root of your desire at least. This is my opinion.

771
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: So like people can approach this differently, but this is

772
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: like from my formula. And then I think the first

773
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: thing is to like understanding the lay of the land

774
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: and going to the people that I'm trying to, you know,

775
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: provide support to do they actually want me to. And

776
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: is the initiatives that I'm considering to be a good

777
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: idea something that the community actually wants, or am I

778
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: imposing an idea that's not kind of going to be

779
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: received And it's just like token is a money and

780
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: it's not going to actually sustain a community in a

781
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: way that you want. And I'll say my feelings of

782
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: this has definitely evolved over the years. But when I

783
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: first started running, it wasn't about charity. It was about

784
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: my personal self discovery because running was very new for me,

785
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: and it was about testing those mental and physical limits.

786
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: Once I had done that repeatedly, I was like, I

787
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: think I want my footsteps to count for more and

788
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: some people just love to run and they love for

789
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: the thrill and they love for the time, and like

790
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 1: I applaud you, like you do you, and that is amazing.

791
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: But if you feel a calling to connect it in

792
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: a different way, then you also do you. And I

793
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I've had people criticize me for like

794
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: running for change, and I'm like, I don't criticize you

795
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: for being a competitive athlete. Like you choose the path

796
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: that kind of suits what you want to do, and

797
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: I'll do the way that I want to go. And

798
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: that's everyone has the right to extend themselves in the

799
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: way that makes the most sense to them, and they

800
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: also have the right to change it as time kind

801
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: of progresses. I think the big thing for me is partnerships,

802
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: working with sectorial experts, working with teams on the local

803
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: ground that can help form your awareness of what you're

804
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: trying to do and be a great support And to

805
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: be quite clear on what your role is. Our role

806
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: should be to possibly use our platform to share stories

807
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: if we've been given permission to share those stories. There's

808
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: a really great thing. I just spent seven days out

809
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: in an indigenous environment with it the only indigenous guiding

810
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: group in Australia in this certain area called Alice Springs,

811
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: and they have what's called it's the songline, and like

812
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: over a big vast space of land, different indigenous families

813
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: and family groups will own a different point of that

814
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: song and they can only tell their story in their part,

815
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: and they know not allowed to tell anyone else's story.

816
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: And if you think about that, how often we do

817
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: we share other people's stories and how often does it

818
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: begin to dilute the real meaning behind that story. And

819
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: it's something that I'm kind of playing with a bit

820
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: at the moment, Like, whilst I've always wanted to be

821
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: a vehicle to share stories, it's so important to get

822
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: permission and to get it really right, so you're doing

823
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: justice to the people you're trying to work with. And

824
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: then I'd say, like give you if people here are

825
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: wanting to run for change in whatever way that is,

826
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: give yourself, like a realistic goal, like don't make it

827
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: a burden for yourself. Give yourself something that you can achieve,

828
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: that you can feel like you've been successful and you

829
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: can always make your goal higher. I think a lot

830
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: of people these crazy lofty goals they realize really quickly.

831
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: It's very very hard to fundraise and train and play logistics,

832
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they feel like a

833
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: failure and they don't want to talk about it. But really,

834
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: if you fundraise anything and you've done it with good

835
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: intentions and it's going to the right place, good on you.

836
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: You've done a great.

837
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: Job for sure.

838
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: And you mentioned also finding funding to go on these missions.

839
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: Let's dive into that a lot.

840
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm really passionate about this. I actually spoke to

841
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 1: James Lawrence about this a little while ago, and he's

842
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: doing the one hundred Iron Man's in one hundred days

843
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: at the moment, which looks rulling. But I've been speaking

844
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: to aspect to him and his wife a bit during

845
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: his thing, but also spoke to him beforehand. And if

846
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: you expect someone else to pay for your dreams, I

847
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: think you're going to be very disappointed. I think in

848
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: order to do these big feats of endurance and tie

849
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: them to social objectives, you must be willing to put

850
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: your skin in the game before anyone else. And if

851
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: you're not willing to put your skin in the game,

852
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: why should you expect other people to do it. It's

853
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: a totally different ask to ask to people to fundraise

854
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: for charity, but to fundraise for your adventures. Don't know,

855
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Like I just think like you need to put your

856
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: buy in first and time and time again. You know,

857
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: I've definitely been sponsored in different capacities, but every single

858
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: project I have funded and I've put a lot of

859
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: time into, and I'm really proud about that. It's been

860
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: a much smaller percentage that an organization has got behind me.

861
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: But then I've always delivered something for that. It's never

862
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: a one way streak, Like I've delivered multiple keynote presentations

863
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: and workshops and marketing material and blog articles. So I

864
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: would say if you're looking for sponsors, find out what

865
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: you can give more than what you're asking for, and

866
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: realize that there's a monetary value in like the exchanger

867
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: as sponsorship dollars for what you can give. It's a

868
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: really good exercise to know, like what can you provide someone,

869
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: And it's definitely a much better approach to hit up

870
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: a sponsor when you kind of thinking that in that

871
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: frame of mind.

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Speaker 2: of all, this is just like the overall concept of

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Speaker 2: self belief, right, like, if you don't believe in yourself,

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Speaker 2: then who are you to expect other people to believe

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Speaker 2: that you can go after the things that you want?

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Speaker 2: And then secondly, I also would tie this to the

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Speaker 2: misconceptions that I feel go hand in hand with social

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Speaker 2: media and Instagram and individuals perhaps assuming that certain people

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Speaker 2: literally just get paid to live like their regular life

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Speaker 2: and ninety nine point nine percent of the time that

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Speaker 2: is not the case at all. In fact, they are

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Speaker 2: working and doing things that perhaps they're not sharing, and

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Speaker 2: that is the stuff that empowers them to perhaps live

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Speaker 2: the life that you think that they just get paid

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Speaker 2: to live. So just something that I think about sometimes

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Speaker 2: because I have certainly been messaged before and someone has

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Speaker 2: asked me like who pays you to do your day

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Speaker 2: to day?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, do not see me working my ass off?

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Speaker 3: Over me?

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Speaker 1: And then it's so true and I think self belief

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Speaker 1: that you said at the beginning is so critical because

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes people use as an excuse like if

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Speaker 1: someone else is not going to pay me, well then

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. And I'm like, you've just made

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Speaker 1: a massive block in front of you living your dreams

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Speaker 1: as well. And you know the flip side Emily about

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Speaker 1: people just having this presumption that we get to do

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Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. I do think that there's

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Speaker 1: responsibility of us showing the realness to kind of go

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Speaker 1: like this is like I know, you caught sometimes like

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Speaker 1: the hustle, or this is the hard work, or this

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Speaker 1: is you know, I might have an experience and then

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Speaker 1: I'm up to like two am writing an article, or

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing X, Y and Z and all

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Speaker 1: these things. I do feel like social media has people

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Speaker 1: just showing the glamorous life and not kind of showing

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Speaker 1: like I think the majority of life is made up

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Speaker 1: of the everyday, the in between, and the mundane, and

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Speaker 1: of course there's major highs and there's exciting things, but

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Speaker 1: it's a much smaller percentage than people lead you to

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Speaker 1: believe via their social media.

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Speaker 2: After you walked away from Survivor, which you said was

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Speaker 2: one of the most difficult experiences, most challenging experiences. Talk

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Speaker 2: to me about what perhaps was one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: lessons you learned in that time.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Survivor was the place where I learned

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Speaker 1: the majority of my lessons. I was definitely established in

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Speaker 1: who I was as a person. It was actually gratitude.

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Speaker 1: I was, like, I am so happy for the life

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Speaker 1: that I've created for myself. I wasn't waiting for Survivor

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Speaker 1: to like kind of fuddel me into another career. Like

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Speaker 1: I'm living the career that I want. Like I'm a speaker,

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Speaker 1: I'm an endurance athlete, I'm working with you know on

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Speaker 1: social impact projects, and I have the most amazing group

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Speaker 1: of people that I'm surrounded by. That was kind of

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Speaker 1: the takeaway. It was actually more gratitude for what I

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Speaker 1: had as opposed to kind of striving for something that

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Speaker 1: I didn't have. And of course, like I met my

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Speaker 1: husband and we had a child, well we had a

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Speaker 1: child and then we became my husband and you know that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think when I met you, we went

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Speaker 1: even I don't know if we were engaged, but we

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Speaker 1: were definitely we definitely had had our sign like I

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Speaker 1: feel like Harry was only like a couple of months

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Speaker 1: old when I met you, I was still like pumping,

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Speaker 1: like doing breastfeeding stuff in like every time like things

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Speaker 1: calm down, like from all the runs. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I've just got to go and pump some milk out

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Speaker 1: of me. So that was, yeah, I think like I

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Speaker 1: got to transition into another unknown that was motherhood. I

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Speaker 1: was thirty four, and I was getting to a place

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Speaker 1: in my life when I was thinking maybe I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have a family, either a partner or children, and I

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Speaker 1: had always thought that that was a part of my

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Speaker 1: future as a kid, and then I realized I don't

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Speaker 1: definitely need that, even if I would like it. But

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Speaker 1: I think I had a lot of fears trapped up

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Speaker 1: in like maybe I wouldn't be able to have a kid.

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Speaker 1: And then I clearly that was just not true, because

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Speaker 1: we felt pregnant within five weeks of meeting each other.

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Speaker 1: So that kind of was like, oh, that was definitely

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Speaker 1: a limiting belief. Yeay, let's make this work now.

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Speaker 3: And now you're a mom.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in all of these stories so far, you

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Speaker 2: have so many common themes, being living with purpose and also,

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Speaker 2: I would argue a strong sense of resilience. I mean

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Speaker 2: that challenges that you're taking on are unlike any challenge

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Speaker 2: that so many will take on in their lives. So

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Speaker 2: for you talk to me about what resilience means.

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Speaker 1: To you, It means yielding. It means putting aside this

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Speaker 1: beautifully crafted plan that you have and expectation on how

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Speaker 1: things are going to look, and yielding to the circumstances

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Speaker 1: that are in front of you, and remembering that you

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Speaker 1: can always create the next best plan. And I think

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Speaker 1: once you realize that that so much of our direction

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Speaker 1: is based on our responses to circumstances, it's incredibly empowering.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not kind of in the passenger seat

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Speaker 1: of our lives. We're utterly in the driver's seat. And

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Speaker 1: things can happen in our control and outside of our

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Speaker 1: control that can be quite negative, but we should harness

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Speaker 1: the fact that we can then choose how to respond

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Speaker 1: to that situation. Now give even that sometimes we can't

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Speaker 1: make a choice immediately alongside like a crisis or a disaster.

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Speaker 1: And I've really been thinking in the more recent years

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Speaker 1: about like the power of momentary pause, which goes against

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Speaker 1: this thing that I always to speak about of relentless

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Speaker 1: forward motion, and now I realize that in order to

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Speaker 1: have relentless forward motion, even if it's like small, small,

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Speaker 1: small steps, sometimes we need the momentary pause to get

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Speaker 1: back on relentless forward motion. And that is what resilience

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Speaker 1: has kind of come down to me. It's like ownership

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Speaker 1: and like being proud and feeling so frickin lucky that

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Speaker 1: I get to own my choices.

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Speaker 3: Ah, woman, you're speaking to my soul. I'll tell you

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Speaker 3: a quick story.

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Speaker 2: I was at the gym this morning and the workout

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Speaker 2: that I had on DAK was like two sixteen minute blocks,

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Speaker 2: and so you start with the warm up. That warm

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Speaker 2: up is two miles. I do one sixteen minute block.

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Speaker 2: I already at that point started to feel just super emotional.

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Speaker 2: I'm dealing with that huge life transition right now. And

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Speaker 2: at the end of the first sixteen minute block, like

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Speaker 2: the wheels totally fall off and I am crying. I

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Speaker 2: am like, all right, like I'm going to call this one.

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Speaker 2: It's just not my day. I go into the locker

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Speaker 2: room and I stand there and I'm like, not today,

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Speaker 2: this is not how it's going to end today. And

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Speaker 2: I literally changed my mask, put a different mask on,

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Speaker 2: went back upstairs, got back on a different tread mill

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Speaker 2: and a different part of the gym, and finished another

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Speaker 2: sixteen minute block. And for me, that is like very

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Speaker 2: much what you're talking about about this momentary pause. Like

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Speaker 2: sometimes we have so many feelings or could have judgment

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Speaker 2: about not executing something in a way that we thought

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Speaker 2: that it should be executed. But then in turn it's

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Speaker 2: up to us to kind of come back to what

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Speaker 2: it is your purpose is or what it is your

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Speaker 2: mission is with this particular item.

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Speaker 3: For me, getting the thing done was more important than

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Speaker 3: the method.

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Speaker 2: In which it happened, So to go back upstairs to

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Speaker 2: kind of put my pride aside and go back into

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Speaker 2: that after taking that very very valuable momentary pause, game changer.

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Speaker 3: Game changer.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: powerful when you realize taking a little stop is the

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Speaker 1: thing that reduces the overwhelm in the mind, because I

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Speaker 1: think when you're at the brink, like mentally or physically,

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Speaker 1: we inevitably think we have very few options at our disposal.

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Speaker 1: So it's about finding a way of reducing the stress

1051
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Speaker 1: and anxiety that goes through our body in our mind,

1052
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Speaker 1: and there's like everyone's got to work at their own

1053
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Speaker 1: took it, their own took it for reducing overwhelm, momentary

1054
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Speaker 1: pause is one of them. But more importantly, momentary pause

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Speaker 1: helps us access the other tools. So that's the gateway

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Speaker 1: to get to those ones. Whether that's like momentary pause,

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Speaker 1: then I'm going to do some deep breathing momentary pause.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to sit down and I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: like regroup my thoughts. Momentary pause. I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: my headphones in and that's going to take me to

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Speaker 1: an altered state, like no momentary ports, get some food.

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Speaker 1: I could go for ten hours on all these different

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Speaker 1: things you could do. But think about it Internet, Like

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Speaker 1: when you're hitting the wall in a marathon, I think

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Speaker 1: we we think I've got to keep going away that

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Speaker 1: I was going, Oh, I've got to stop. We feel

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Speaker 1: a failure when we've got to start walking. We feel

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Speaker 1: a failure when you know, like we do the walk run,

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Speaker 1: walk run, you know, like and it's actually not the truth,

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Speaker 1: Like no one's telling us how we have to do

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Speaker 1: these things. Yes, we can have ideals about it, which

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Speaker 1: creates structure to the planning and all that's beautiful, but

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Speaker 1: yielding to the circumstance is actually where the growth happens.

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Speaker 2: And I think what I hear when you say this

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Speaker 2: is the importance of being agile in your methods, you know,

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Speaker 2: agile pivot.

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Speaker 1: It's so it's so important. You know, last year we

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Speaker 1: went through an adventure, not about choosing now. I've always

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Speaker 1: thought that adventure is defined as a journey with an

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Speaker 1: unknown outcome, and when you enter into those any start line,

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Speaker 1: you cannot hold on to your active being the outcome

1082
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Speaker 1: and the journey at the same time. You've got to

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Speaker 1: make a choice at the start. I always say to myself,

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Speaker 1: I don't give it crap about how it's going to end.

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Speaker 1: I'm focusing on the journey. And I think last year,

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Speaker 1: like something happened to us on an adventure level that

1087
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: we none of us wanted to sign up for. And

1088
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: you know, people experienced some severe hardship, and obviously not

1089
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: talking about the people who were in like states of

1090
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: peril and in a really really bad way, but for

1091
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: everyone who had still had a roof over their head,

1092
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: who was able to pay for food, whose health was intact,

1093
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: and just had to be in lockdown there was a

1094
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: lot of different coping mechanisms for going with and through

1095
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: that adventure.

1096
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: To your point in these adventures, so to speak, like

1097
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: the crisis is going to happen. But then, just like

1098
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 2: what I was reflecting on from my experience of the

1099
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: gym before, and as many had to reflect upon over

1100
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: the last fourteen plus months, you are in charge of

1101
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: your response to Vie's crisis.

1102
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've also felt not only in charge, but

1103
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: some of the best things that have happened to me

1104
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: in my life have been out of a crisis or

1105
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: significant disruption. I could go back to, like, I mean,

1106
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I'm going to talk about this,

1107
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: but like in Egypt, you know, in one of the

1108
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: races I did, I faced a sexual assault situation, and sorry,

1109
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: trigger sometimes I don't talk about it that often. Actually

1110
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: just a conference where I spoke about it. Then someone's like,

1111
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: you need to give a trigger warning, and I was like,

1112
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: I didn't get a trigger warning. No one gave me

1113
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: a trigger warning. And it happens to so many women.

1114
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: We should just be comfortable talking about it. Coming out

1115
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: of it and out of the trauma and the crisis.

1116
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: It then definitely realigned me to working within my purpose

1117
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: and to also being able to connect and engage which

1118
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: humanity in a whole other level. And it was the

1119
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: ripple effect for the work that I did in South

1120
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: Africa in India, which is now the ripple effect of

1121
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: why I'm doing a new project in India, well for India,

1122
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: should I say right now as we speak. And so

1123
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: disruption and crisis has been some of the best catalysts

1124
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: for me moving deeply in purpose.

1125
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: For you, I mean, if we're gonna unpack Egypt, just

1126
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: briefly put us in the d's that led up to

1127
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: this incident.

1128
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: For l So I've actually never just been the one

1129
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: that's brought up Egypt. People are always like, try and

1130
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: bring it up, and I don't know what I've just

1131
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: brought it up then, but it's on my mind as

1132
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: this ultimate now catalyst for good. I was doing a

1133
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: six day stage race. It was in Sahara Desert and

1134
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: it's like the hottest desert on the planet. And I

1135
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: was definitely not fit going into that race. I was

1136
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: studying really, really hard and I literally was finishing an

1137
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: assignment to the very night before this six day stage race.

1138
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: And when is that This is in twenty ten. It

1139
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: was part of that fourth series. So in day one

1140
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: I kind of went out and, you know, kind of midpacker.

1141
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: But I had known by that point that like just

1142
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: give your self paced, like starting is everything, even if

1143
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: for men just starting slow, just kind of start. You

1144
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: will adapt if you're patient. And then on day two

1145
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: I felt a little bit better and I was running

1146
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: with a group of guys and they it was great,

1147
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: we had camaraderie, we were talking, it was awesome. But

1148
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: we got into a checkpoint and they were just taking

1149
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: forever to fill up their water bottles, and I was

1150
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh do I wait to keep going?

1151
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: And I just kind of like to like water and go.

1152
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't like to kind of like sit because sometimes

1153
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: when I sit, that's when I'm like it's hard to

1154
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: get back up again. So I kind of went off.

1155
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: That's when I actually saw an Egyptian up on a

1156
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: top of a sand dune. And it's in these races,

1157
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: like the race directors don't have like race management team

1158
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: out on the courts. Typically, you know, they meet you

1159
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: at checkpoints, but in between the checkpoints there's no one there.

1160
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: So I remember just feeling like oh, what's he doing there?

1161
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: Like what is there a race official? What's going on?

1162
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: And I had no contextualization for like how close we

1163
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: were to a town or a village. Like I just

1164
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: was like, I'm in Egypt, I'm in the Sahara Desert,

1165
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm like in the race world. And you know, without

1166
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: kind of going through like the full description, but there

1167
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: was an interaction and clearly he was not a part

1168
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: of the race team, and he attempted to sexually assault

1169
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: me during the race. And I'm very very lucky that

1170
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: a man on a motorbike came by and scared him away.

1171
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: And I always look back at that moment and kind

1172
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: of go like I had poles in my hands, and

1173
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything to defend myself literally as it happened.

1174
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: I just like stood there, paralyzed with fear. And I

1175
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: always thought that I would have more of a fight

1176
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: in me, but in that moment, I had no fight.

1177
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: And then when I tried to scream, nothing came out.

1178
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: And then after that point I lost my voice for

1179
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: a bit, like of the race, like it's like I'd

1180
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: lost my Yeah. Anyway, I kind of like moved forward

1181
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: through the race, terrified and I'll always remember that. It

1182
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: was like a lot of wind, and there were these

1183
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 1: little race pink like flags that were directing you which

1184
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 1: way to go. I kept flapping in the wind, and

1185
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: I kept thinking that he was behind me, and so

1186
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: I ended up kind of like kind of crawling like backwards,

1187
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: like looking one direction and kind of going forward. And

1188
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: I didn't take on any fluids. I was just like

1189
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: survival mode, get to safety. And the first person I

1190
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: saw was Jennifer Steinman, who is like one of my

1191
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: dearest friends in the world now, and she was actually

1192
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: a filmmaker and she was out there filming. I didn't

1193
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: really know what she was filming. She was initially filming

1194
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: this Irish guy, but then she was just filming everyone.

1195
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: And she now tells me that when she saw me,

1196
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: it was this like filmmaker's dilemma. Do I film what's

1197
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: happening or do I get this girl who's become my

1198
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: friend to safety? And she said she put down without

1199
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: hesitation her camera and walked me one kilometer into the

1200
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: checkpoint and then like all my composure went and I

1201
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: just kind of like broke down. And yeah, I mean,

1202
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: in the end, like I nearly wanted to wanted to

1203
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: quit because I had like dehydrated, heat, exhaustion, mentally switched

1204
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: out from it. Kind of like it was like I

1205
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: didn't think that that could happen. Just so freaking naive

1206
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: of me. I mean, I always think like in these experiences,

1207
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: we're so we always do the post mortem, Like we

1208
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: always kind of analyze and reflect on a situation after

1209
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,959
Speaker 1: it's occurred, but we don't investigate the pre mortem, which

1210
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: is so important of going like what are all the

1211
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: reasons why in this run, in this business venture, I

1212
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: won't complete it or we won't be successful. And I've

1213
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: been pretty good at doing that through my life because

1214
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: my legal brain. But I remember all my pre mortem

1215
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: like barriers were like about me, like I'll get dehydration,

1216
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: or I can't carry the pack, or I'll get a blister.

1217
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you're running in a country where the

1218
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: status of women is incredibly inferior to that of a man.

1219
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: I didn't think that I was that close to a village.

1220
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: I just did not contemplate it, and I quit. But again,

1221
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: this is like where I really learned about momentary pause.

1222
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: They I still had seven k's left it that day

1223
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: to go I'm like, I'm done. They put me in,

1224
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: put me back in the tent, and they were all

1225
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: these competitors who thought that I was the first female

1226
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: to finish for that day, and so everyone's coming by

1227
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: the tent and like congratulating me, and I'm like, I

1228
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: don't want to explain that. I don't want to accept congratulations.

1229
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: Felt like this icky in between land and with like

1230
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, I was just like I've got to

1231
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: go back out there, like.

1232
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 3: You know, I do you know what?

1233
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: It was, just like I can't let someone that I'm

1234
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: never going to see again control my future is going

1235
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: to look like for me. It was as simple as that.

1236
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: And so I went back out there and it was

1237
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: like it was like a warrior run. Like I had

1238
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: our little iPod that I was going to save for

1239
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: day five of the race because it's a long stage,

1240
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: and I was like fuck that, I'm using the iPod

1241
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like using that precious battery and I like

1242
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: put on. I don't even know what it was, but

1243
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: whatever I did, it like transported me to like the

1244
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: strongest version of who I needed to be. And you know,

1245
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: even to this day, I did a presentation yesterday and

1246
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: people I discussed this situation and someone said, do you reckon,

1247
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: She's over it? Like they said to one of my

1248
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: friends at the table, do you reckon, She's over it?

1249
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: And she's like, she's totally over it. And I'm like,

1250
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: I got over it then, like I got over it

1251
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: in that seven K run. And what I can say

1252
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: is like, we finished these experiences where things happen outside

1253
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: of back control and they're really horrific. We never expected it.

1254
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: We have a choice. Is this going to form part

1255
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: of our narrative that negatively impacts every single thing that

1256
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: we do in the future, or is it just a

1257
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: part of what you've experienced and maybe just maybe it

1258
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: can become part of your superpower? And for me it

1259
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: was the latter.

1260
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: It's interesting that question. Do you think that she's over it?

1261
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't know necessarily, and maybe this is perhaps just

1262
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: my perspective, but I don't know if that's actually something

1263
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: that you quote unquote get over.

1264
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 3: I think to your point, it becomes a part of

1265
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 3: your story.

1266
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 2: And sure, maybe you're not deep in those feelings that

1267
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: you experienced in that tent anymore, of course not. I mean,

1268
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear you harnessing that experience and

1269
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 2: now using it to fuel your passion and where you're

1270
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 2: going and what you hope for others in this world.

1271
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 2: But I don't necessarily know if that's ever something that

1272
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: you just quote unquote get over.

1273
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: You know, No, it's like a part of us, like

1274
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: all that experiences for in the fabric of who we are.

1275
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: It definitely has made me. I've leaned into understanding that

1276
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: situation a bit more. And I remember when I did

1277
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: work in India and I was exploring those barriers to

1278
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: quality education, and I remember reading about a case in

1279
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: twenty twelve where a young woman was sexually assaulted, raped

1280
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 1: and then murdered by well gang raped on a bus

1281
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: in New Delhi. Most horrific, like such the most horrific crime.

1282
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: And then I remember watching a documentary about it and

1283
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: those boys who did it from And not that it's

1284
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: like I have compassion for those boys, like I actually don't,

1285
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: But I have compassion for people who are living in

1286
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: a situation where they are brought up to not know

1287
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: any better, where they don't have any opportunity to have

1288
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: any positive interactions with the other gender. They also are

1289
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: not going to school these boys did not have the

1290
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to go to school and it's horrific crime. And

1291
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: they did. And you would hope that humanity would tell

1292
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: you that that is completely wrong. But they were ingrained

1293
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: in a culture which was incredibly patriarchal, where there was

1294
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: no respect for women, and those boys were a subject

1295
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: of their environment as well. And so when I decided

1296
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: to run across India, initially I was like, it's all

1297
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: going to be about focused on women. And then I

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Speaker 1: was like, if there's also boys not going to school,

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Speaker 1: and if I don't open up my remit of belief

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Speaker 1: that both boys and girls need to go to school

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Speaker 1: together and have the opportunity to have these positive relationships

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Speaker 1: with each other from a young age, to gain respect

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Speaker 1: and understanding for each other, then the potentially, like the

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Speaker 1: solution is not going to be achieved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 2: And something else that you were talking about before was

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Speaker 2: kind of getting down on yourself a little bit about

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Speaker 2: maybe not thinking about all of the different possibilities that

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Speaker 2: could happen in that scenario. But I feel like many

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Speaker 2: can relate about that idea when it comes to our

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Speaker 2: everyday life. I remember, on one of the first episodes

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Speaker 2: of the show, I sat down with someone who said,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have a plan, b that you don't

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Speaker 2: have a plan. But the thing is is that you

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Speaker 2: can only do so much risk mitigation, so to speak,

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Speaker 2: to prepare you for the every day. But sometimes it

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Speaker 2: goes back to what we were saying about making that

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Speaker 2: pivot in the herd at all and being agile and

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Speaker 2: understanding that there's only so much preparing you can do

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Speaker 2: and not getting down on yourself when these hurdles arise.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, beautifully said I mean, and I mean another thing

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Speaker 1: that it's really empowered me to think about is allowing

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Speaker 1: more women to have the opportunity to experience our wild

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Speaker 1: places and to nature. And I mean when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid, like I was outdoorsy, but I probably wasn't

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Speaker 1: that outdoorsy and I definitely didn't build up my resilience

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Speaker 1: and my self reliance and confidence and being capable in

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Speaker 1: the outdoors. And there's a lot of girls are into

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Speaker 1: that category. Like, we didn't get shown how to put

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Speaker 1: up a tent. We might have helped in the tent process,

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Speaker 1: but we were never left to do it ourselves. We

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Speaker 1: didn't build a fire, and like it's kind of helped me.

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Speaker 1: I cred recently this year again like an idea coming

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Speaker 1: out of COVID was this community called her Trails with

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Speaker 1: a really good friend of mine who's based in la

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Speaker 1: He's a Nike athlete and trainer, Beck Wilcock, and we've

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Speaker 1: known each other since, you know, like a decade ago

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Speaker 1: when we were training for Trails back in the day,

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Speaker 1: and we've stayed in touch and we've created this like

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Speaker 1: really incredible community where we do like holistic online programs

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Speaker 1: And the first one was a half marathon because I've

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Speaker 1: always felt that the half marathon, when trained properly, is

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Speaker 1: a gateway for any distance if you do it holistically.

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Speaker 1: So if you inbed, you know, runs that have different

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Speaker 1: stimulus from like speed and hills and threshold and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff, when you do your mobility, when you do

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Speaker 1: your strength, when you educate yourself on like what we've

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Speaker 1: got this thing called like a trial time series and

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Speaker 1: it's different elements of the physical, mental, and logistical, and

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01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: then like we also have like a weekly podcast and

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Speaker 1: it's been like the best thing about creating community and

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01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: reminding women like what we learn in these runs and

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Speaker 1: in these adventures should be carried through into our everyday

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Speaker 1: life in anything else we do, which is about how

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Speaker 1: to be resilient, to how to be resourceful and self reliant,

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Speaker 1: and also how to have fun, like to take the

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Speaker 1: light side of this stuff. Like, I mean, we've talked

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Speaker 1: about a bunch of heavy topics in the last little bit,

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Speaker 1: but like the lightness of our life is actually what

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Speaker 1: carries us through a lot of hardship as well. And

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Speaker 1: it's just something that you know, running is amazing, but

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Speaker 1: it's not everything, right, It's like it's really the smallest

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Speaker 1: thing in the world, but it can give us so

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Speaker 1: much joy if we approach it that way.

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Speaker 3: All right, Sam, what is Relief Run?

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Speaker 1: Ah? Thank you? Amazing. Relief Run kicked off in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Myself and my really good friend Nick Davidson decided to

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Speaker 1: put together basically an e commerce platform to establish a

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Speaker 1: virtual run to support this train bush by a relief crisis.

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Speaker 1: And for any of your listeners who possibly took part

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Speaker 1: in the relief runt, I want to thank you because

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Speaker 1: I was amazed that more people from overseas signed up

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Speaker 1: for it than Australia and we had nineteen thousand registered

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Speaker 1: participants from ninety six countries on every continent of the planet.

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Speaker 1: And in a twelve day campaign that had only a

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Speaker 1: two day leading period with no major brand celebrity, we

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Speaker 1: raised one point I think as one point two or

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Speaker 1: something million dollars in twelve days. And we had this

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Speaker 1: deal with Stripe. But I don't know if you guys

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Speaker 1: used Stripe much in North America, but Stripe initially was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: what have you guys raised, We'll just wave the transaction fee.

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Speaker 1: And they never knew we'd get to a million, and

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Speaker 1: they were like, okay, they've come in it too. You know,

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Speaker 1: they waived all of our transaction fee. So every single

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Speaker 1: dollar or what people gave in their fifty dollars registration

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Speaker 1: fee went to the strain bush By crisis, to families

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Speaker 1: that were experiencing incredible loss, and it's like been very

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Speaker 1: transformative to those people. Twenty twenty one, what I think

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Speaker 1: is one of the biggest global crisises right now is

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Speaker 1: what's happening in India. And you know, you can tell,

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Speaker 1: like India holds such a big part in my heart,

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Speaker 1: but India holds one six of the world's population. It

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Speaker 1: holds a big part in everyone's life, whether you know

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Speaker 1: it or not. There's been so many reports in the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days with people going, my invoices haven't

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Speaker 1: been paid. So I've like called this company and then

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Speaker 1: I find out from the call center that the invoices

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Speaker 1: are not being paid because all the family, all the

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Speaker 1: Indians who are working maybe in that call center, are

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Speaker 1: either looking after six people sick family members they're sick

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Speaker 1: or they might have lost their life. It's like horrific.

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Speaker 1: Over four thousand people are losing their life per day

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Speaker 1: in injury at the moment, and we're not even getting

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Speaker 1: close to the peak. And also the reporting is probably

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Speaker 1: really incorrect. There are journalists who are waiting at crematoriums

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Speaker 1: and saying it's in a factor of five to ten

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Speaker 1: higher than that amount. But there's just not enough testings

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Speaker 1: in the rural communities, like they just don't have access.

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Speaker 1: It's incredibly primitive medical services up there. And so we

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Speaker 1: decided to reboot the relief run and in fact, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a kind of concept moving forward that

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Speaker 1: will direct whatever is the kind of global issue that

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Speaker 1: should really require a global mass response. And so the

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Speaker 1: weekend of the eleventh of June to the tenth of

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Speaker 1: June anywhere, anytime, you know, do it, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a five K, ten K or a twenty one K,

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Speaker 1: and it's a fifty dollars Australian but anyone from around

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Speaker 1: the world can register and it's all going to go

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Speaker 1: to World Vision Australia's India COVID nineteen appeal. And I

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Speaker 1: can say hand on heart, I have worked with World

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Speaker 1: Vision Australia as an ambassador and I but more importantly,

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Speaker 1: I've been on the ground in the communities all across

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Speaker 1: India and so I know their reach and I know

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Speaker 1: their community focused and so I feel very confident that

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Speaker 1: it's going to go to supporting the most important people

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Speaker 1: who are coping the most severely in India right now.

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Speaker 1: And we're launching hopefully on Monday. But it's been like

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Speaker 1: I've been at this basically we decided on Friday, and

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Speaker 1: we've been like, you know, this is kind of my

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Speaker 1: you know, my thing. I could turn something from nothing

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Speaker 1: into something, but I don't do it on my own.

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Speaker 1: I now put together the most amazing people to do it.

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Speaker 1: And it's because I've now had over a decade of

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Speaker 1: credibility of doing what I say I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: and crafting these projects and being and sparent in my

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Speaker 1: social impact and advocacy. And that's what comes from experience.

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Speaker 2: From the outside looking in. If you were to remove

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Speaker 2: yourself and you heard someone just give that explanation, how

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Speaker 2: would that make you feel to hear someone talking about

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Speaker 2: putting into place something that literally will help thousands and

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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, to be honest, like I this makes me

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Speaker 1: feel ave an emotional because I don't think about that.

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Speaker 1: I just kind of think about we're not going to

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Speaker 1: do anywhere near enough. To be perfectly honest, the amount

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Speaker 1: of people in India who are going through, Like I've

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Speaker 1: got friends in India and their family members are seek

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Speaker 1: and you know, they don't have enough crematorium spaces, so

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Speaker 1: people's bodies are being put up into the rivers right now.

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Speaker 1: Like the situation is like there's a beautiful quote that

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Speaker 1: I needed to hear and so that by this guy Remanan,

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01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: He's an epidemiologist and economist at Princeton. He's been camped

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Speaker 1: out with his family and an apartment in New Delhi.

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Speaker 1: He's the founder and director of the Center for Disease dynamics, economics,

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01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,879
Speaker 1: and policine. Is an expert in antibiotic resistance and basically

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Speaker 1: he goes. Government statistics indicate that the virus is newly

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Speaker 1: infecting millions of Indians each week and that some twenty

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Speaker 1: thousand or thirty thousand people are dying weekly, but most experts,

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Speaker 1: including this economist, says that that number captures a fraction

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Speaker 1: of the true COVID nineteen toll. He says, quote, it's

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Speaker 1: a war zone. It's worse than what you're reading in

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Speaker 1: the papers or seeing on TV. Whatever the numbers are,

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Speaker 1: they don't tell the full story. The human toll is devastating.

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Speaker 1: The current surge differs fundamentally from India's experience last year.

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Speaker 1: This is truly a national wave. It's not urban, it's

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Speaker 1: not rural. It's not north or south, it's everywhere. It

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Speaker 1: just sums it up for me because often places in

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Speaker 1: India get like really localized to the area in which

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Speaker 1: they live in like a crisis or certain circumstances affecting

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Speaker 1: one part of the country. But it is everywhere, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they're going to get it back

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Speaker 1: on track. They certainly what they need is like medical

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Speaker 1: supplies PPD. You know, they obviously need a much swifter

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Speaker 1: response from the government as well. But how can we

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Speaker 1: not as humans allow someone a country to be in

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Speaker 1: that degree of suffering and not do one small thing.

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Speaker 1: And what I can say from seeing the relief from

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Speaker 1: last year, which is probably a bit more positive note

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Speaker 1: than what I felt when you first asked me that question,

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Speaker 1: is we all do one little thing and it counts up,

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01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: so like mass micro donation is the most empowering, powerful

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01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: thing to do. Like we don't just need one company

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Speaker 1: to give us like tens of thousands of dollars. All

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Speaker 1: we're asking is like a whole bunch of people to

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Speaker 1: give fifty bucks and it goes super super far. And

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Speaker 1: if you think, like what I've been fifty dollars is

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Speaker 1: a lot for a lot of people. But probably it's

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Speaker 1: a meal out, Like it's like us sacrificing one meal

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Speaker 1: for possibly someone to have their life safe. And when

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Speaker 1: you put it in perspective like that, it's really not

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Speaker 1: a hard decision to make, particularly when it allows us

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Speaker 1: to feel a part of a solution. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I've run across India, I put my body and I

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Speaker 1: guess in some way sometimes my life on the line,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't raise anywhere near the amound that I

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Speaker 1: did through the relief run. The reason for that is

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Speaker 1: a couple like obviously the bushfires, like was in the

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Speaker 1: hearts and minds of everyone all around the planet because

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Speaker 1: it was all over the media. I don't think what's

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Speaker 1: happening in India is in anywhere near the degree in

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Speaker 1: the media as Istra and bush By crisis. Like. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty horrific when you think about it. I think it's

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Speaker 1: maybe we're desensitized from seeing people in India suffer, and

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Speaker 1: I think we need to stop that narrative because people

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01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: don't deserve to suffer just because they live in a

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Speaker 1: certain country. Yeah, and people can make a difference. So

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Speaker 1: that's my call to action. Please join us on the

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Speaker 1: relief run anywhere eleventh or thirteenth, bring your You know

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01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: what was so powerful last time is like all run

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01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: leaders in different parts of the country and different parts

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,520
Speaker 1: of the world mobilize their community. It was everyone's initiative

1512
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 1: and that was what was so cool about it. I

1513
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: clearly don't need to run across the country for us

1514
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: to do something amazing. Everyone just needs to go in

1515
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: for a little run.

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: For a little run, you said everyone can do something small.

1517
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 2: I just again need to praise you because what you're

1518
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: doing and this organization and this effort is not small

1519
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 2: at all.

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 3: It's actually quite big.

1521
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: So it's really beautiful to see you in purpose, on purpose,

1522
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: going after something that really matters to you. I think

1523
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 2: so many times throughout this episode we've talked about the

1524
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 2: benefit of the momentary pause, and so I come to

1525
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: you and pose this question, which is, how do you

1526
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 2: make sure to intentionally take that momentary pause so that

1527
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 2: you can keep showing up in these big ways? Because

1528
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: again I don't have to rattle off the dozens of

1529
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: causes and thousands and thousands of people that you're in

1530
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 2: individual efforts and combination with others, but your individual efforts

1531
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 2: have impacted so Sam, how do you momentary pause to

1532
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 2: take care of you.

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01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm not doing a great job of it right now,

1534
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: because there is a finite window for this campaign to

1535
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: get up and to hit into the hearts and minds

1536
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: of people while India is in the media space. And

1537
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: I accept that, and the campaign's life goes to June fourteenth, essentially,

1538
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: and I'm willing to like go hard at it for

1539
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: that period. But then and I think we can in

1540
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: small doses and small windows, when we know the exit

1541
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: point is, we can really go to the capacity and

1542
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: we can deepen and we do great work, and we

1543
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: could be single minded focused. And I'm very lucky to

1544
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 1: have an incredible husband who backs me doing this and

1545
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,520
Speaker 1: helps me at home, like we have an equal partnership,

1546
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: and I couldn't do what I do without him, even

1547
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: though he's launching his book this week or next week,

1548
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, sorry, I know you've been

1549
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: working on that for a long time, but we're doing

1550
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: relief Run again. But that's the team, Like that's the

1551
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: team that I have in my personal life, and I

1552
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: have professional teams that allow me to do it as well.

1553
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 1: But I promise you, because I'm promising myself listening to

1554
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 1: me myself talk right now, that high frequency state in

1555
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: which I'm operating in right now cannot be sustained. And

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01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: on June maybe sixteenth, after I've made sure all the

1557
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 1: funds have gone to the right place and done all

1558
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 1: my documentations and ticked off all the appropriate things, like,

1559
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: I'll go off social media and then I have a

1560
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: break because I'll be prolifically on social media, sharing the

1561
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: stories and like being engaged because we're offering a service.

1562
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is when we did the relief from

1563
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: last time, you know, some people are happy to give

1564
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: the donation, but other people genuinely just want to do

1565
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: it because they want to do a virtual run. And

1566
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: our job is like offering a service is like you've

1567
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: got to be incredibly professional. You've got to respond to

1568
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: every single email. And we had nineteen thousand people sign

1569
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: up last time, and they say it's always like a

1570
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: couple of percent that always have an inquiry. So that's

1571
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: a lot our emails to respond to. And I'm going

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01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: to do it again this time. I've got a few

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01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: more people. I'm working on it, but I will be

1574
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: just getting back into my normal run routine when I

1575
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: get home after like June fourteenth. But I think an

1576
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 1: interesting thing for your listeners, who are obviously probably a

1577
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: lot of them are runners. We define ourselves often by

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01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,759
Speaker 1: our ability to run. I now am in a place

1579
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: where I know that I can't do these projects and

1580
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 1: work super hard on them and be running at the

1581
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: same time, and so I have to kind of like

1582
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: take that off me in order to have capacity mentally

1583
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: and physically in order to do it. But then I

1584
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: just go out for walks. So it's a more yinn

1585
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: restorative based thing. And it's something that if you start

1586
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: your day with five bars, going for a run sustains

1587
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: a bar, but doing something of a mindfulness level like

1588
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: meditation or yoga or a walk creates a new bar.

1589
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: And so that's how I kind of create bars now

1590
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: and then I do a complete restoration at the end

1591
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: of it.

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01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 3: I will hold you to that.

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01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 2: I also, I love that you just reiterated that you

1594
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: have found the right way for you to show up

1595
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 2: to something that's really important to you, and not to

1596
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 2: compare yourself or judge how you need to get through

1597
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: these moments and these challenges based on what you might

1598
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: see somebody else doing and how they execute. Also, it's

1599
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 2: impossible not to draw a comparison to how you were

1600
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: just articulating that you feel you must show up over

1601
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 2: the next month or so. This will come out in

1602
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, but over the next month or

1603
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:41,799
Speaker 2: so leading up to this relief run, drawing the comparison

1604
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: between that and perhaps in the moment running a marathon,

1605
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: right you show up and you're at the marathon, and

1606
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 2: that's the focus for the next three, four, five, however

1607
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 2: long it takes you to do it hours.

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01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: Like people might look at the way that I do

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01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: things and good, that's just not for me. My best

1610
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: friend has some of the best boundaries I've ever seen.

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01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: And she goes, say, I choose to not be busy,

1612
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: and I go, I'm happy to be busy in isolated

1613
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 1: periods of time if it's for a really important reason,

1614
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: and like that's fine, Like we hold space for each other.

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01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 1: We know how it works. Like if she's doing a

1616
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,640
Speaker 1: Juice clans, like I can't even call her because she's

1617
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: like my boundaries, you don't call me when I'm doing

1618
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 1: this for myself. But I'll still pick up my phone

1619
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: for my really close friends right now, even if I'm

1620
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 1: in a really caded period of time, because like there's

1621
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: like five or six people that if they call, I'll

1622
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: just always answer the phone. And so, like we all

1623
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:34,960
Speaker 1: have our own formula. Just work out what works for you.

1624
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: And it's like the whole idea of extension in life

1625
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: is you're meant to extend in your uniquely marvelous, unique way.

1626
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: And that's a part of life, like and I think

1627
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: we learn the more we do, the more we go

1628
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: beyond a comfort zone, the more we can work that out.

1629
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: Right now, if I was to look at your Instagram,

1630
01:22:55,040 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 2: you look to be this adventure and endurance athletes, a mom,

1631
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 2: a wife, founder of.

1632
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 3: The her Trails.

1633
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 2: As we talked about before with back, when you look

1634
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 2: in the mirror, what is it that you see looking

1635
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: back at you?

1636
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 1: These are all things that I do, but I just

1637
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 1: am not defined by any of them. Actually, one of

1638
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 1: my really closest girlfriends did exactly what you just did

1639
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: to me four hours ago. She goes, do you know

1640
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: you're doing all these things right now? And I'm like, yeah,

1641
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: but like I chose to do all that stuff, Like

1642
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: I love all those different components to my life, Like

1643
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 1: I've crafted a career when I get to do all

1644
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: the stuff that I love, like no one, I'm not

1645
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: on the race to nowhere. I'm on like my race.

1646
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: That's what I look at in the mirror of Like

1647
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,839
Speaker 1: I choose my day. I yes, it goes intense at times.

1648
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: I could pull it back if I want. You know,

1649
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: I can go full throttle if I want to as well.

1650
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: But like I live a pretty incredible life and I

1651
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: have an incredible family who I love a lot, and

1652
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to show like the icky, yucky, hard stuff.

1653
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: And I think I would just ask that more people

1654
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: be willing to kind of show that because I have

1655
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 1: also experienced. The more that I show, like the challenge

1656
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: of it, the more people go, I'm so glad you

1657
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: do it. And I'm like, well, if you like seeing it,

1658
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: you show it too.

1659
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 3: You show it too.

1660
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 2: Right now, my friend, you have an opportunity to give

1661
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 2: the Sam who is headed back to Australia after spending

1662
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 2: that time in Texas trying to really find her footing

1663
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 2: and what it is that she wants to do and

1664
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: where it is that she wants to take her career.

1665
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 2: You right now have an opportunity to give that woman

1666
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 2: a piece of advice.

1667
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 3: What do you tell her?

1668
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 1: Oh, no regrets. One of the speakers at the conferences

1669
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 1: that I'm at right now, her name's Bronnie Warem, and

1670
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: she's got this book called The Five Common Regrets to

1671
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: the Dying and she was an Australian palliative care nurse,

1672
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, doing what is some of the most important work,

1673
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: like helping people transition into that ultimate unknown, and when

1674
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 1: she was doing it, she recorded the regrets, and the

1675
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 1: number one regret was I wish I had the courage

1676
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 1: to live a life true to myself and not the

1677
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: life that others expected of me. The fifth regret was

1678
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: I wish I'd let myself be happier. So I think,

1679
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: no regrets and like just doing what you want to do.

1680
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: And I've done that, Like I've done that through my life,

1681
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: and so I would just kind of keep I remind myself, like,

1682
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: just don't have regrets everything that you do at one

1683
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: point in your life, whether it was good, bad, it

1684
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: was a failure, there lessons. It's a piece of that puzzle.

1685
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: Like I said at the very beginning, like I love

1686
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 1: how the puzzle all comes together, and sometimes it doesn't

1687
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: make sense, like the pieces that kind of look fragmented

1688
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: and they're apart, but with like trust and faith and

1689
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: confidence in yourself, like you can, they'll come together at

1690
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: the right time.

1691
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 2: So grateful to know you, so excited to see what

1692
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 2: you're doing, and so happy to promote it. How do

1693
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 2: you go, Hurdlers, keep up with you and one more

1694
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 2: time and give us some information and details about the

1695
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 2: upcoming Relief Run.

1696
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: Yes you, I am most prolific on at Samantha Gash Instagram.

1697
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: Our her trails account is at her Underscore Trails. So

1698
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: if anyone wants to kind of do any of the

1699
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 1: programs when traveling comes back up, I'd love to have

1700
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: you in Australia and have you for a retreat. They're

1701
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 1: just like amazing, They're the best. I'd love to host you.

1702
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: And obviously Relief Run it's at Relief Run. It's the

1703
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: website's going to be Relief Run dot com dot au.

1704
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: It's going live in a couple of days, so probably

1705
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: a bit into when you release this podcast, but you know,

1706
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: over the weekend of the eleventh or thirteenth, I wrmly

1707
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: encourage you to register to do the run, to share

1708
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: it with your people, because that's how it took off

1709
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: last time. It didn't take off because of me. It

1710
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: took off because people felt connection to it and they

1711
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: shared it and therefore it spread. Like I would say,

1712
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 1: like ninety five percent of people would have no idea

1713
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: that it was Samantha Gash in Australia, like ferreting away

1714
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: in her Den on the stuff on the website and

1715
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: That's exactly how it should be. So let yourself be

1716
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: a leader in your community to being the catalyst for change.

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01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 3: Grateful for you.

1718
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,480
Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast.

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01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 2: Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time