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Speaker 2: Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful,

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Speaker 2: fantastic Tuesday. And like we do from time to time,

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Speaker 2: not all the time, not often, we're driving the show

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Speaker 2: off the rails tonight, no more politics, at least for

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to get it all done tonight.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long it will take me, but

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Speaker 1: we are gonna do the history of the comic Colze

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Speaker 1: in World War Two.

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Speaker 3: Per your request.

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Speaker 1: It was overwhelming how many people wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: this and learn about this. So if you missed last

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Speaker 1: night's third hour, that is a good primer to get

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Speaker 1: where we are now.

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Speaker 3: We don't need it, but it would help. And it's free.

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Speaker 1: iHeart Spotify iTunes, go download that, listen to it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to cover all the background again of the

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Speaker 1: Mongol invasion and the culture and the different things, so

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Speaker 1: tonight we are going to begin essentially where we left

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Speaker 1: off last night. Allow me to recap in about thirty

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Speaker 1: seconds to a minute. Though Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, they

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Speaker 1: are not under the impression, contrary to popular belief that

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Speaker 1: they were going to knock us.

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Speaker 3: Out of the war.

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Speaker 1: They knew that we were going to get in the war.

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Speaker 1: They knew that was going to get us into the war.

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Speaker 1: The intention was to slow us down enough so they

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Speaker 1: could dig in and take all the territory they wanted, Philippines,

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Speaker 1: places like that, and then they would make it too

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Speaker 1: what countries had really always done, sue for peace. Even

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Speaker 1: if they lose, they win because at the end they

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Speaker 1: have more territory than they originally did. It works out

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Speaker 1: great for them. Now here's what some people may not know.

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Speaker 1: Most people have heard of the Battle of Midway, But

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Speaker 1: the Japanese were It's hard not to admire this about them.

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Speaker 3: When you look at World War Two.

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Speaker 1: There's all kinds of things to hate about the Japanese

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Speaker 1: I hate it, you hate it. That's quite an aggressive move.

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Speaker 1: That's a bold move. Load up your fleet, sneak it

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Speaker 1: across the Pacific, which they did. They took off in

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Speaker 1: I had mentioned that early in World War Two it

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Speaker 1: was going poorly for US, really for all the Allies.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen forty one nineteen forty two, these were bad years,

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Speaker 1: certainly in naval battles, we would square off with the

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Speaker 1: Japanese navy, you know, our navy squaring off against their navy.

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Speaker 1: We lost a lot of those engagements. We lost a

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Speaker 1: lot of them. We were losing men. They were really good.

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Speaker 1: Are planes in the sky Mitsubishi Everyone knows who Mitsubishi is,

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Speaker 1: the car manufacturer of Mitsubishi well as Japanese, and they

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Speaker 1: It was really good. These guys were good. We were

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Speaker 1: running into good good ships, good navy, good air. These

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Speaker 1: heard of a Panzer tank, I'm sure that's a German tank,

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Speaker 1: Midway is a tremendous victory for America. We cannot really

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Speaker 1: You already know the story of Midway. Midway island. It's

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Speaker 1: We found out they had this big fleet coming to Midway.

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Speaker 1: is going to matter for our kamikaze purposes, not just

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Speaker 1: They had plenty of damage, But we are and were America,

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Speaker 1: We'll go back and make more planes. We have an

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Speaker 1: After midway, they have to surrender all their plans. No

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Speaker 1: more trying to take Hawaii, no more nothing. Now Here

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Speaker 1: And that is the correct way for an American to

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Speaker 1: to understand the concept of kamikaze and how it came

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Speaker 1: how the Japanese thought about it. That concept came from

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Speaker 1: on a fan fantastic Tuesday. Remember you can email the

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Speaker 1: show Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Not really a

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Speaker 1: political show right now, we're talking history. We're talking the

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Speaker 1: All right, So we just had Midway Japanese loss. But

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Speaker 1: it was a more catastrophic loss than we understand. Because

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Speaker 1: if the Japanese send fifty planes after our fifty planes,

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Speaker 1: of one plant, one American plant, the United States of

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Speaker 1: America could put out twenty to twenty five Hellcats in

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Speaker 1: the Japanese know the gigantic monster Godzilla. He is crossing

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Speaker 1: the Pacific. He's working his way across the islands, and

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Speaker 1: he's coming for their homeland. Now along the way, as

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Speaker 1: You better use it, because it's all you've got. When

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Speaker 1: know anything about our vs, no that nothing.

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Speaker 3: I had never sold RV's before. I knew nothing. You

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Speaker 3: know what I could do.

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Speaker 1: I can make you laugh, I could make you relax,

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Speaker 1: make you laugh and talk. Guess what I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to do. I didn't Well, the wall is actually three

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Speaker 1: quarters of an inch thick. YEP, I can't do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't have that option available to me. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you a stupid joke. I'll make you laugh. You lead

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Speaker 1: with whatever you've got. The Battle of the Philippine Sea,

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00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: they had to lead with their people, but they also

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Speaker 1: didn't have the pilots left. As we talked about America, really,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we really did it so smart. Our pilots

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Speaker 1: are experienced pilots, you know. We'd have these pilots and

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Speaker 1: they'd go, they'd fight, they'd get these kills and fight

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Speaker 1: and get kills, and fight and get kills, and then

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Speaker 1: we would rotate them out. We didn't want them staying

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Speaker 1: in combat till they died. We'd rotate them back to America.

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Speaker 1: And so these super experienced pilots were training the next

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Speaker 1: generation of pilots, getting the ultimate education. Japan didn't and

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Speaker 1: Japan couldn't. They didn't have the numbers. Their experienced pilots

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Speaker 1: are gone.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 1: What do you do as Godzilla swims towards the Philippines,

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Speaker 1: which you need? You create a special attack force. Next,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly, it is that Jess see Kelly's show on

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Speaker 1: a Wonderful Tuesday. Talk in the history of Japanese kamakazis.

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Speaker 1: If you miss any part of the show last night

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of it, well it was a third

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Speaker 1: hour of last night. Any part of the show ever,

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Speaker 1: iHeart Spotify iTunes. Japanese lose the Battle of the Philippines Sea.

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Speaker 1: They can't fight traditionally anymore, and so they come up

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Speaker 1: with a plan. They decide to use what they have,

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Speaker 1: and what they have is a country full of people

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Speaker 1: who will will die for it, will die for the emperor,

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Speaker 1: including young pilots. And they even start scarfing up people

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Speaker 1: who had previously been exempted from military service. And this

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Speaker 1: is something that happens in every country when it starts

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Speaker 1: to lose a war. And whenever a country does this,

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Speaker 1: when we read about it or talk about it, we

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Speaker 1: always kind of look down on them. Oh, look at

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Speaker 1: that they're conscripting teenagers. Look at that they're conscripting older people.

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Speaker 1: How could they do that? But the truth is every

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Speaker 1: country does it when that country gets desperate enough. When

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Speaker 1: the situation gets desperate enough, countries will do it. Countries

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Speaker 1: will well, they'll grab what they have. They started grabbing

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Speaker 1: young Japanese men, some of whom were completely exempted from this,

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Speaker 1: some of whom were already in pilot school. And they

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Speaker 1: handed them a sheet of paper, and on this sheet

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Speaker 1: of paper it had three choices on it. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of hilarious. But the three choices were I will enthusiastically

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Speaker 1: they're asking them if you'll be a kamikaze pilot, I

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Speaker 1: will enthusiastically die for the emperor, I will die for

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Speaker 1: the emperor, or I refuse to die for the emperor.

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Speaker 1: Two of the three were I'll die for the emperor

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Speaker 1: and I do not want to sit here and act

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Speaker 1: as if they were all forced to or coerced. Many

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00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: were all we have to really figure out what's inside

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Speaker 1: of their minds? Are the letters they wrote back home.

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Speaker 1: The stories will differ depending on which book you're reading,

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Speaker 1: or which documentary you're watching or podcast you're listening to.

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Speaker 1: But the number I kept hearing fairly consistently was about

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Speaker 1: two thirds of the comic cozies were volunteers, willing, completely willing.

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Speaker 1: As it went on, the volunteers became less and less

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Speaker 1: and they had to kind of force more people, but

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Speaker 1: they did find a willing population. Now, pause on everything,

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Speaker 1: and let's describe the few different kinds of comic cozes,

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Speaker 1: because we're only really going to focus on the one

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Speaker 1: really main one, the one.

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Speaker 3: Most successful one.

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Speaker 1: There were kami kazi boats. These are tiny little boats.

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Speaker 1: They're not very big. Japan was so hurting for parts

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Speaker 1: at this time that they were putting car engines in

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Speaker 1: these little boats. You know, you don't have to sink

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Speaker 1: any money into the material of the boat. You just

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Speaker 1: have to get it to where it's going, and you

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Speaker 1: have to load enough explosives into it.

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Speaker 3: It was paper mache. I mean, it was.

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Speaker 1: Lightwood with a car engine and a bunch of explosives

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Speaker 1: in it. And the idea was you zoom this boat

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Speaker 1: up to a big American ship and simply crash it

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Speaker 1: into the side of it. It had a fuse sticking

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Speaker 1: out the end, and when the fuse hit boom. The

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Speaker 1: reason you haven't heard that much about these is, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure it happened. I could not find a documented recording

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Speaker 1: of a kill of one of these things. It may

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Speaker 1: have happened. Don't get me wrong. You could welcome to

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Speaker 1: email me and correct me. I'm not saying it didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: If it happened, it was rare. The reason we know

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Speaker 1: so much about these boats is after we ended up

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Speaker 1: spoiler Alert, winning the war and taking over Japan, we

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00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: discovered legions of these boats all over Japan. They were preparing,

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Speaker 1: They were preparing for Godzilla to be ray outside of

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Speaker 1: the island. Also another form submarines. Now people confuse these two.

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Speaker 1: The Japanese had Kamikazi submarines and Kamakazi torpedoes. Believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, those are two different things. The submarines. Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there were hits. I'm sure they were kills.

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Speaker 1: It was never done that successfully. Remember, submarine technology in

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Speaker 1: World War Two on every side was nothing close to

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Speaker 1: what it is today. You need to set aside your

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Speaker 1: modern thinking of it. When a submarine went underwater back then,

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Speaker 1: because of the technology they had, it was one easily

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Speaker 1: visible to a plane flying overhead. You're going to look

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Speaker 1: down and see that's a submarine. It's very obvious. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen a helicopter flying over a beach today

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Speaker 1: looking at sharks? How obvious are the sharks? You look down,

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Speaker 1: you see them. That's how obvious a submarine would have been.

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Speaker 1: It's not only obvious that it's there. They're super slow,

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Speaker 1: majorly slow, way slower, than any ship. If you were

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Speaker 1: a submarine and you got seen, you were in deep trouble.

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Speaker 1: So they didn't get a huge amount of success either.

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00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: But also another thing we discovered when we took over

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Speaker 1: Japan at the end of the war, they were building

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Speaker 1: legions of these boats submarines to take out Godzilla. There

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Speaker 1: was also a Japanese torpedo. Really freaking cool, by the way,

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00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: a Japanese torpedo that is exactly what it sounds like.

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Speaker 1: They would put some poor sap. They created essentially a

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Speaker 1: cockpit in a torpedo Japanese. Yeah, Chris, it was amazing.

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00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: And the Japanese had amazing torpedoes. They were called long

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Speaker 1: lance long lance torpedoes, which I know is a cool name.

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Speaker 3: Long lance torpedoes.

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Speaker 1: They found a way to put a pilot in one

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Speaker 1: so he could I mean torpedoes much faster than a submarine,

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Speaker 1: so they could launch him from something at an American

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Speaker 1: chip and he could guide it into the side of

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Speaker 1: the American ship. The reason I'm mentioning all these things

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Speaker 1: in passing is not because they're not cool. They're all

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Speaker 1: kind of cool in a way. It's wild to think

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Speaker 1: of the different ways they were planning on using their

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00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: people who were willing to die. But I just kind

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00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: of passed over most of these because they just were

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00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: never employed in any significant way, and they never did

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Speaker 1: any amount of significant damage. I am not, of course,

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Speaker 1: dismissing any loss of life that did come from these things,

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Speaker 1: or Americans, Sayler's Marines, who were killed by these things.

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Speaker 1: I just can't find much of a record of it.

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Speaker 1: And I looked, I looked at if there was a

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Speaker 1: significant loss, I've never read about it ever. May have

572
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: been a little ship here hurt or a little ship

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Speaker 1: there hurt. They just didn't do very much damage. What

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00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: did do unbelievable amounts of damage than more than you

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Speaker 1: know about. Are the planes as we sailed towards the Philippines,

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Speaker 1: the kamikaze were deployed. We'll hopefully finish up our talk next,

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