Speaker 1: Podcast starts now.
Speaker 2: Just kidding we trecked you as we have another amazing
Speaker 2: announcement about upcoming shows and I am not going to
Speaker 2: sugarcoat it. If you're in London, you can see me
Speaker 2: George Severs at the Soho Theater on February twenty fourth.
Speaker 2: The February twenty third show is sold out for the
Speaker 2: twenty fourth still has some tickets.
Speaker 3: And then I Sam, I'm doing an Hour in LA
Speaker 3: three times on March ninth, March twenty fourth, and April first.
Speaker 3: Get tickets to that as well.
Speaker 4: And if you are in New York City there are
Speaker 4: actually quite a few opportunities to see us. We will
Speaker 4: be doing a Stradio Lab live show at the Bellhouse.
Speaker 4: We are returning home to the Bell House, and that
Speaker 4: is on March thirteenth, Friday the third teenth, at seven
Speaker 4: thirty at the Bell House.
Speaker 3: And then in NYC, I Sam, I'm doing my Hour
Speaker 3: on the eighteenth at Union Hall, getting a bit intimate
Speaker 3: with it nights.
Speaker 1: Excuse me being British as kind of my thing. Sans
Speaker 1: MA shows are at London.
Speaker 2: So basically, if you are in London, New York City
Speaker 2: or Los Angeles, California, you have various opportunities to see
Speaker 2: us either together or separately.
Speaker 1: And that is all we have for now. Cheers.
Speaker 3: Podcast starts now, and Happy Monday, Happy Monday to all,
Speaker 3: Happy post Golden Globes Day to all of Hollywood. So
Speaker 3: you know, who knows when this will be coming out,
Speaker 3: but when we are recording, it is the day after.
Speaker 1: After the Golden Globes, which George did. I'll say it
Speaker 1: was there. I was there.
Speaker 5: I was not despite being employed by actually the Golden
Speaker 5: Globes organization to Clark Productions, I was not able to
Speaker 5: attend the actual show. I was in the overflow room
Speaker 5: for various amazing publicism producers and the people that keep
Speaker 5: this town running.
Speaker 3: Folks, Well, I think it's good that you weren't the
Speaker 3: main show, because I agree, what would I just look
Speaker 3: forward to?
Speaker 5: I was like, I hadn't eaten all day and I
Speaker 5: was trying to like find a block of cheese to
Speaker 5: eat while like like influencers are doing photo shoots and
Speaker 5: people were Do you know when you feel like legitimately invisible,
Speaker 5: like people are walking into you. Yeah, it was sort
Speaker 5: of amazing if it was like it actually felt like
Speaker 5: Zen Buddhism in that I was like, oh, here, I
Speaker 5: am invisible, despite the fact that I was in the
Speaker 5: least zen Buddhist place of all, which is a room
Speaker 5: full of kind of vultures and vampires. Yeah, it actually
Speaker 5: was such an out of body experience that I felt
Speaker 5: at peace.
Speaker 1: Well that's lovely. I have a question.
Speaker 3: So, when you're like working at an event like that, huh,
Speaker 3: do you transition into sort of employee mode, like sort
Speaker 3: of get pitiful. Whenever I'm in a space like that
Speaker 3: and working, I get pitiful quick.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. Hmm. Or are you
Speaker 1: like I'm taking up my space?
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: I think my general plan is act like you belong,
Speaker 5: but don't make yourself known. I don't want to be
Speaker 5: at any point looking around as though I'm lost.
Speaker 1: Like, even if I don't know where I'm going, I'm
Speaker 1: power you're walking fast, somebody to know where the bathroom was.
Speaker 5: And I just started walking in a random direction, and
Speaker 5: I was like, well if I just keep walking because
Speaker 5: we were like I bumped into walk.
Speaker 1: Turn right like a sim Yeah, I'll eventually find it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't know where you're going. Where I'm going,
Speaker 1: I have to say, you know, I saw a bunch
Speaker 1: of celebs. Yeah, were your starstruck? I have to say
Speaker 1: I was much more starstruck this morning meeting our guest
Speaker 1: than I was meeting anyone I met.
Speaker 5: Well name and it actually really and we will bring
Speaker 5: her in and I feel we're talking about her while
Speaker 5: she's in the room.
Speaker 1: But there's something she walked in. I was like, finally
Speaker 1: an artist. I call these losers. It was like I
Speaker 1: was like what.
Speaker 3: I kept talking to people that were completely normal, and
Speaker 3: then someone will come up to him be like, did
Speaker 3: you know that's so? And so I'm like, okay, well
Speaker 3: could have fooled me because you look like a normal girl.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: This is the thing about actors is they're like literally
Speaker 3: just like falling into things. But you're like, wait, so
Speaker 3: you're famous, it's you just stumbled into that. You just like,
Speaker 3: we're really handsome.
Speaker 1: One day. At least act how do I put this?
Speaker 5: At least actors look like celebrities sort of bad musicians
Speaker 5: like tiktoki, bad musicians.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just normal people.
Speaker 3: There's something crazy like I'm like, where's the star power?
Speaker 1: Where's it?
Speaker 5: I can't imagine you, you know, eating a bat on
Speaker 5: stage or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm like where's the punk rock? Right right right, right
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 5: So anyway, I I was proud of myself for not.
Speaker 1: Being more starstruck.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I have some soul left, and
Speaker 3: you're like, to me, you guys are normal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just pushing aside Amanda Stafer. I was like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, you're in my way. Did you plug the
Speaker 1: pod at all? Or were you like to come like
Speaker 1: you have to come on?
Speaker 5: Honestly, that's see, that's I will never succeed in this
Speaker 5: industry because no. I literally was like, I forget I
Speaker 5: was there. I forgot I'm in any way involved in
Speaker 5: the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1: That's why people kept being like, so what do you do.
Speaker 1: I'm like I don't. I don't and someone like nothing,
Speaker 1: I don't lose.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I wrote for I wrote for
Speaker 3: Marybeth on the Carpet.
Speaker 5: And then someone goes, are you a are you a
Speaker 5: writer outside of that? And I literally didn't know how
Speaker 5: to answer. It's like, the answer is yes, yes, I'm
Speaker 5: a professional writer.
Speaker 1: I get paid for it. But I didn't. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've done some writing in the past. It's humiliating. I
Speaker 1: turned into that so bad, I get like sniveling. It's horrible.
Speaker 1: We need to bring in our gut, We need to
Speaker 1: bring in our guest. It is such a true honor.
Speaker 1: I'm buzzing. I'm buzzing. Please to the podcast Peaches. Oh hi, but.
Speaker 7: There wasn't one person that you were star struck about.
Speaker 1: Okay, let you know what, thank you call him out.
Speaker 5: Uh listen, when Julia Roberts walked by, you know, we
Speaker 5: grow up like that's someone that has been America sweethearts
Speaker 5: since we were kids. Obviously I was, I was starstruck.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, I don't think I said this
Speaker 5: to you earlier. But like my specific job there was
Speaker 5: on the carpet itself, so I legitimately saw every single person,
Speaker 5: like I probably saw two hundred famous people, and so
Speaker 5: you get desensitized so.
Speaker 1: Fast like I. So, you know, you turn around at
Speaker 1: some point you see I don't know, Leonardo DiCaprio or something,
Speaker 1: and he's like the tenth famous person in thirty seconds
Speaker 1: that you've seen in just to sort of like all right,
Speaker 1: keep it moving.
Speaker 6: But you don't because you don't hear what they're saying.
Speaker 6: You know, you get them because like if they said
Speaker 6: something that should actually like pique your interest.
Speaker 1: Yes, well that did happen to me and I have
Speaker 1: to redact the names. But an A list actress I
Speaker 1: was talking to her okay actor walks in.
Speaker 5: She goes, oh, here comes so and so he's gay.
Speaker 7: What does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 5: She meant that he was actually gay or she was
Speaker 5: making a joke. I sort of had this theory and
Speaker 5: maybe this is my only sexist. I had this theory
Speaker 5: that maybe he like had rejected her in the past,
Speaker 5: and so she had some like foranity like.
Speaker 7: I still like him.
Speaker 3: But the tone I was like, you're kookie, Well that's
Speaker 3: interesting to so I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1: I did you know, I think it was interesting.
Speaker 6: I was just like, see, I was on Okay, I
Speaker 6: was playing charades with a bunch of people, which is
Speaker 6: funny with Germans who are not funny, and one person
Speaker 6: was like, oh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know this band. You know they're cool, but
Speaker 7: you know they're gay, And I was just like.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, Oh you thought they were using
Speaker 1: it like the derogatory way.
Speaker 7: I just didn't understand what it means. What does it mean?
Speaker 6: Like you know they're they're so cool to get like
Speaker 6: it was some kind of like crutch or some kind
Speaker 6: of like I don't know, so I don't know if
Speaker 6: it's interesting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's kind of like, okay, so what is that.
Speaker 1: I think what's interesting is just the idea of this
Speaker 1: like elegant actress in like a beautiful dress, seeing a
Speaker 1: guy walk in and being like the wort.
Speaker 7: Right, Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It shows like a weird immaturity.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what it is.
Speaker 5: And I think that was the most quote unquote interesting
Speaker 5: thing about it is seeing people let down the hair
Speaker 5: a little bit and be because they're like among their
Speaker 5: own kind, like be gossiping.
Speaker 6: I thought that's what they do. I know, I thought
Speaker 6: they do gossip. I know, anyone strategically gossiping.
Speaker 1: Anything too drunk the win. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know if you feel this way
Speaker 3: in the music world, but like I do think people,
Speaker 3: because there's phones everywhere, have gotten very worried about seeming
Speaker 3: out of control in any way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think that's across the board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that does make things like that less interesting,
Speaker 1: That's true. I didn't see anyone. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there were people doing drugs and stuff and not in
Speaker 1: front of me. But I feel like I don't know
Speaker 1: a few like twenty years ago, I would have been
Speaker 1: seeing people do lines at the after party.
Speaker 7: Right right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't like go in the bathroom and make
Speaker 6: that a thing like you and then you feel left
Speaker 6: out because they didn't invite you. And then you know,
Speaker 6: then you say okay once and then they're like come, come, come,
Speaker 6: mad that's gone, and then you.
Speaker 7: Don't want to again and then they're like, oh, you
Speaker 7: leave me.
Speaker 6: Hind totally, it's like this whole game, Like it's yeah,
Speaker 6: they like become mad at you. Yeah, they're mad at
Speaker 6: you because you're not doing enough or you don't want
Speaker 6: to do it at all or oh okay, then you're out. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and it's like but it's like I remember, I was
Speaker 6: a person just put it on the table. They made
Speaker 6: lines for everyone and they were like do it or not,
Speaker 6: I'm doing it.
Speaker 7: I just think like not that I care, but it
Speaker 7: was I care that they.
Speaker 6: Try and make it so secretive, secretive, and that it's
Speaker 6: like that's that's their little thing, like that's gonna like
Speaker 6: bring us together totally.
Speaker 3: Well, the whole point of I don't know, you would
Speaker 3: think the whole point of partying in substances is like
Speaker 3: to be inclusive in some way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but it's all like I didn't, you didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's to find new levels of exclusions because first
Speaker 3: you have to get in. Then you have to get
Speaker 3: into the bathroom with these two people. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 3: extra extra VIP.
Speaker 7: It's funny because there's there's in Berlin.
Speaker 1: I start to say these things.
Speaker 7: No, but it's just cute. They have like they have.
Speaker 6: A room and everybody knows that's the room where you
Speaker 6: want to If you want to do that, you go
Speaker 6: in there.
Speaker 7: If you don't, you don't have to see it. But
Speaker 7: it's open, like to go in there.
Speaker 5: I want to ask you about Berlin because you mentioned
Speaker 5: something which is of course the universal truth, which is
Speaker 5: that Germans are not funny. You are very funny, which
Speaker 5: we're going to get into because we want to talk
Speaker 5: about the new album. My sister lives in Germany. I've
Speaker 5: spent time in Germany.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with that?
Speaker 7: It's hilarious.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with that?
Speaker 6: It's really funny because it's just like sometimes you wonder
Speaker 6: if it's like English is a second language, because you
Speaker 6: know which is not fair because I'm not learning German
Speaker 6: even though I'm there for so long. But if it's
Speaker 6: English as a second language, or they just can't let
Speaker 6: themselves go, they're just like oh no, or they don't
Speaker 6: get it, or there's this sort of like a cultural
Speaker 6: history with certain words that that that that feed into
Speaker 6: each other or in North America that they just don't get.
Speaker 6: I wish I could like cite a perfect example right now,
Speaker 6: but I I cannot think about it. But what they
Speaker 6: used to have this commercial like a long time ago
Speaker 6: on which I thought was pretty funny for Germans. They
Speaker 6: were it was talking about learn English and it was
Speaker 6: a commercial and in the commercial there's guys in a
Speaker 6: submarine and they're like sinking and they're like.
Speaker 7: Help help, we're sinking.
Speaker 6: We're sinking Their Americans we're sinking, and the Germans asking
Speaker 6: like what are you thinking about?
Speaker 7: But I thought that.
Speaker 6: They love like slapstick humor, which is really like bass immature,
Speaker 6: like whoa Somebody Fell, which is so funny.
Speaker 7: Because they hide themselves.
Speaker 6: They pride themselves in such like high you know, self intellectual.
Speaker 3: Well do you think it's like the It's like so
Speaker 3: much funnier to see a serious person slip and falling
Speaker 3: a ban appeal than like a silly person.
Speaker 1: It is, well, yeah, the funny thing is always the
Speaker 1: opposite what you're used to. But I also I wonder
Speaker 1: if slapstick, you know, with the Germans, obviously the elephant
Speaker 1: in the room is always oh, our history. I wonder if.
Speaker 5: The way for them to be like, well, if it's
Speaker 5: as far removed from the cerebral as possible, Like, there's
Speaker 5: no way for slapstick to be problematic. It's ultimately like
Speaker 5: the joke comes from the physical comedy. The joke comes
Speaker 5: from falling. You can't accidentally say the wrong thing.
Speaker 3: Whereas kind of like self flagellation, it's self flagellation, yeah right, right, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's cool. Whereas like a more sort of like intellectual
Speaker 3: humor or like your type of humor that's more sort
Speaker 3: of like sexual and word play and towing the line
Speaker 3: of being offensive, but then like bringing it back in
Speaker 3: that's maybe too risky.
Speaker 6: It's funny because I was in like a state theater
Speaker 6: production of a bertal Brech play where you can't like
Speaker 6: change stuff.
Speaker 7: So but the director.
Speaker 6: Did this amazing thing where she turned it into like
Speaker 6: a very like modern feminist act where she started to
Speaker 6: after the actual play, she started to bring in other
Speaker 6: elements and it turned into a peachiesh show where I
Speaker 6: could do what I want, but they had like translation
Speaker 6: of my lyrics and they just didn't translate in the
Speaker 6: poetic sense that I find them in their double entangres huh.
Speaker 7: And so people after the show they were like, that
Speaker 7: was very cross.
Speaker 6: You said this, and I'm like, well, it was so
Speaker 6: hard to explain to understand how that's like funny or interesting.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the new album No Loops So Rude, No Loops
Speaker 7: So Rude.
Speaker 3: February twentieth, I should say, yeah, we've been listening to
Speaker 3: We've been listening It's to Die For. It's so it's
Speaker 3: like abrasive funny, like it's dancy fun and then like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you really are like so good at towing that line
Speaker 3: of abrasive and then like pulling it back and being
Speaker 3: like sweet and the really moments of transcendence and like
Speaker 3: true emotional depth. I think, yeah, like it's it's.
Speaker 1: Like double on lube sex whole and then suddenly it's
Speaker 1: a whole something will like take You'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this was all leading to like this profound statement I
Speaker 1: just was, really, it almost feels like a culmination Do
Speaker 1: you feel like it's like a culmination of I don't
Speaker 1: know everything you've done in the best.
Speaker 6: I mean, is it you kind of feel like, how
Speaker 6: can I bring in everything that I've done but also
Speaker 6: really feel present in twenty twenty six? You know? And
Speaker 6: I think production wise it's got real twenty twenty six
Speaker 6: feel to it. I think that I felt pushed more
Speaker 6: to just like go for the real dance and the
Speaker 6: real like power of it, you know.
Speaker 7: It just like, yeah, it's not easy though, of course,
Speaker 7: but yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Wanted to bring in emotion and vulnerability, but also understand
Speaker 6: that the revolution needs joy, the revolution needs humor. Yeah,
Speaker 6: well the revolution is humor and the revolution is on
Speaker 6: oh my God and also like the Sorry and.
Speaker 7: Canadians. So the last album was ten years.
Speaker 6: Ago, and it just seems like it's it's hitting harder
Speaker 6: and you got to go in harder and deeper.
Speaker 5: What I love about this album especially, but your music
Speaker 5: more broadly, is a lot of the messages you have
Speaker 5: which are about like, you know, there's a great lyric
Speaker 5: that's like technic crats eat a Josh technocrats eat.
Speaker 1: It's great. So I mean obviously it is anti imperialist,
Speaker 1: that is anti capitalist. That is uh, you know.
Speaker 5: You have very progressive politics, but so often music with
Speaker 5: those messages is like kind of corny and you are
Speaker 5: completely not that at all, and it's always huge.
Speaker 6: That's hard, It's really hard, and I appreciate it. But
Speaker 6: that's really the point.
Speaker 7: Yes, because I wanted to be music.
Speaker 1: But also like laugh out loud funny.
Speaker 3: I don't know we can yet that because I mean,
Speaker 3: like the the God, I should know. I wrote some
Speaker 3: lyric like Panna Cottacotta Delight that song.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so funny, like this is.
Speaker 6: Wi old you mean like like I'm yes, I'm old,
Speaker 6: solid gold, a woman in control of all their holes
Speaker 6: and my roles, I feel my goals.
Speaker 1: Like what was the like, I still bless you. If
Speaker 1: you beg I will fist you up your ass past.
Speaker 7: Did you swear to me icon issues?
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, no, it's so amazing.
Speaker 5: I got venereal. Take me away straight to the clinic.
Speaker 5: Convert you to gay, keep.
Speaker 7: It up or get out of my way.
Speaker 5: Straight to the clinic. Convert you to gay. So no,
Speaker 5: that's really good.
Speaker 1: It's like okay, so, and.
Speaker 6: I also like it's crazy because I'll like conversion the
Speaker 6: conversion canter coming back, it's like, well, it's convert the
Speaker 6: other way, like you do that. And I think I
Speaker 6: play a lot with that like absurdity that I find
Speaker 6: things so absurd that if you switch it, people find
Speaker 6: it more absurd. But if you look at it, it's
Speaker 6: kind of the same thing.
Speaker 5: Well, you actually are doing what comedians are supposed to do,
Speaker 5: which is strip fascist topics of their like seriousness by
Speaker 5: making fun of them. You are saying, look at how
Speaker 5: stupid that is, and you're clipping it on its head.
Speaker 3: Well this we talk about this a lot where it's
Speaker 3: like people right now love to like point out hypocrisy
Speaker 3: and it's sort of like it doesn't do anything. It's
Speaker 3: sort of like, well they have to feel shame if
Speaker 3: you want to point on a hypocrisy and like you
Speaker 3: just being like I'm making fun of you, I'm telling
Speaker 3: you to eat a jog shrap. It's like almost like
Speaker 3: juvenile in the right way.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure a lot of people have
Speaker 6: feelings about like a South Park, but to me, it's
Speaker 6: got that like insane toilet humor, but also doing that.
Speaker 6: I'm sure people have feelings whatever, but I really that
Speaker 6: hit me hard.
Speaker 3: No, I'm a South Park stand Yeah, well we wanted
Speaker 3: to talk to you about People ask you a lot
Speaker 3: about your musical influences, but I want to talk about
Speaker 3: your comedic influences.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm definitely getting South Park. I'm definitely
Speaker 5: getting like John Waters, Like who else has influenced you?
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know influence, but I love Maria Branford,
Speaker 6: Like there is somebody who's taken like mental health personally,
Speaker 6: but also like show shown who she is, and also
Speaker 6: like you don't know, you don't know where you stand
Speaker 6: with that in such a really important way. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: like also like almost like oh you okay, but also.
Speaker 7: This is amazing. You just did a stand up just
Speaker 7: for your parents.
Speaker 5: Like and another person who you know talking about mental
Speaker 5: health is another thing that often can be corny, and
Speaker 5: she's never a Courtney.
Speaker 1: I guess that's probably like the biggest challege.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I really you know, I became friends with Sarah
Speaker 6: Squirm yeah before I saw the The Special, And there
Speaker 6: are so many elements that we relate to each other
Speaker 6: that we're so excited about basically prolapse, body hair, a
Speaker 6: lot of but yeah, the main for my live show,
Speaker 6: the main theme is prolapse. It used to be like
Speaker 6: dick pussy hole, but now we're all like, let's be
Speaker 6: more inclusive.
Speaker 5: When do you think all of the prolapse shift happened?
Speaker 5: Like twenty sixteen Trump's for a selection.
Speaker 6: Definitely. I looked at his face and I thought, yeah,
Speaker 6: you're in.
Speaker 5: The prose era, in the prolapse era, in a prolapse era.
Speaker 5: This is genius actually, Like I really think it's it's
Speaker 5: the perfect metaphor for the era we're in because it's
Speaker 5: humiliating and.
Speaker 6: High reality but actually so interesting. So many layers, completely layers,
Speaker 6: so many like just shades of colors and shapes.
Speaker 1: And there's also sort of a like we did this
Speaker 1: to ourselves.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good point there.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Then there's something about, you know, you live your whole
Speaker 5: life with a tight asshole, and you're saying this, you know, Okay,
Speaker 5: I know how to go through life with a tight asshole.
Speaker 5: Suddenly it's prolapsed. How can we work with this? Like
Speaker 5: it's about resetting your expectations because we live in a
Speaker 5: prolapse world, they're true beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and things that grow in places that you didn't
Speaker 6: expect them to, because if it grew in you know,
Speaker 6: when your genitals are grew in your breast, that would
Speaker 6: be a sort of badge of honor for some you know.
Speaker 1: No, we are also a fisting era. And yes, fisting
Speaker 1: is a huge part of your new record.
Speaker 7: Fisting is a huge part of my new record.
Speaker 1: I just heard the fist lines and I was like,
Speaker 1: she still, it's a lot of fisting.
Speaker 7: It's fine. Yeah, because there's a lot of fisting lines.
Speaker 6: More I realized I thought I didn't have and then
Speaker 6: I look back there were also fisting lines from before.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I feel like it's more like like also
Speaker 7: just like.
Speaker 6: Metaphysical or also the symbol of power or like fight
Speaker 6: to you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: There was a play we both saw in New York
Speaker 5: called Prince Faggot that was sort of like had a moment, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and there's a monologue about and of course I'm going
Speaker 5: to butcher it. But it's like how when you fist
Speaker 5: someone you can feel their heartbeat or something. And I
Speaker 5: was trying to make some connection between you know, the
Speaker 5: embodied fisting experience and some more profound like human.
Speaker 1: Connection coming close. Yeah, yeah, which I feel like is
Speaker 1: very this wreck very no loops, so rude.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, this is something I feel like I've been
Speaker 3: doing this sex recently on stage, which kind of makes
Speaker 3: me like anxious, Like I'm always like, I'm like, is
Speaker 3: this weird? Like I get like shameful talking about sex stuff,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, do you ever feel like is that
Speaker 3: something you had to work through? Was it? Very?
Speaker 1: Like I'm comfortable with this off the bat, I.
Speaker 6: Think, to be completely honest with you, shameful in real
Speaker 6: life is a more of a topic working through, but
Speaker 6: performatively it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, So I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't feel shame in that way, and I feel
Speaker 6: like it's a setting free and it's a manifestation. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but there's still stuff to like work through through childhood,
Speaker 6: cultural all that stuff that you know, shame like we
Speaker 6: are we are born and bread to be shameful of
Speaker 6: our bodies. Yeah, like that that is what it is,
Speaker 6: you know if you think about and then all the
Speaker 6: like all the swear words are parts of your body,
Speaker 6: like you dick, you asshole, such a ti whatever, like
Speaker 6: you always say these things are all negative fuck you, you know,
Speaker 6: like a acts and things like that.
Speaker 7: Yes, we're taking count back, but you.
Speaker 6: Know it's it's we're just like that's what we're supposed
Speaker 6: to and that's all we have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I've.
Speaker 5: Never thought about that, Like the most human parts of
Speaker 5: us are what we use as swear words.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly, that's true, you tooth.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay. So you mentioned the album being very
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, which I really agree with. Well, when
Speaker 3: we were talking about, you know, competres.
Speaker 7: Yeah, personally, but we were talking about.
Speaker 1: Sam made this point that it's very like slat pop.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, I love that album.
Speaker 1: It made me proud.
Speaker 6: I felt like, this is next level of what I've like,
Speaker 6: this is what I envisioned pop music totally, you know,
Speaker 6: and I felt like that that was a big moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a wild one.
Speaker 3: And this feels very in that same vein in a
Speaker 3: nice way where it's so viscerally about sex.
Speaker 1: It's not like hiding it.
Speaker 6: I feel like, well, I feel like, again, I don't
Speaker 6: know if it's about sexual acts as much as like
Speaker 6: slip pop, like you know, fuck me, how you want
Speaker 6: to just fuck me, fuck me, you know, stuff like that,
Speaker 6: which is great, but I feel like it's it's more like, yeah,
Speaker 6: around the political and idea of using sex as like metaphor,
Speaker 6: but also not in like a shy way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, using the language of sex the languages themes of fascism.
Speaker 1: And I mean, but.
Speaker 7: That's what's up. Like it's like you can't you know, oh, just.
Speaker 6: Like if we just just everything, like just all the
Speaker 6: you know, backlashes, trans issues, the queer issues, the all
Speaker 6: the you know, the secretive Epstein files, like all of it,
Speaker 6: it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 7: It doesn't make any sense. Why why that is secret?
Speaker 6: And why you know, when you're probably giving seventy two
Speaker 6: cents a year of your taxes for transgender affirmation care.
Speaker 6: It's like seventy two cents a year, why are you
Speaker 6: complaining like I'm not giving my money to that, you know,
Speaker 6: or like zero point zero two percent of the college
Speaker 6: athletes are trans?
Speaker 7: Why is it even at the top. So it's just
Speaker 7: like but then.
Speaker 9: There is like full out crazy Epstein trauma. People lives ruined,
Speaker 9: like and that's hidden, you know, and that's and and
Speaker 9: they're not the same, you know, one is there's gender
Speaker 9: in there's sex, but it's all about our bodies and
Speaker 9: having our our.
Speaker 6: Understanding our like letting us be us everybody and everybody
Speaker 6: be themselves.
Speaker 1: How do you go.
Speaker 5: About, uh, translating the feeling or describing now into actual words?
Speaker 5: Because I feel like you are someone who is empathetic
Speaker 5: feels a lot like I assume.
Speaker 1: When you read the news.
Speaker 5: It like hurts you if you read something you know,
Speaker 5: very very violent or traumatic. And yet the music is
Speaker 5: actually very focused. It's not like you yelling into a
Speaker 5: mic and just like like it's very focused.
Speaker 1: And but you know what I mean, the lyrics are precise,
Speaker 1: the production is very careful.
Speaker 5: So what is the process like translating all the all
Speaker 5: that cloudy chaos into into something concrete.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Does it?
Speaker 7: You just try it? You just try it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's.
Speaker 6: I feel like I love like all out anger, and
Speaker 6: I love moments of that, and I think I have
Speaker 6: that on the album too, like not in your mouth,
Speaker 6: none of your business, right right.
Speaker 7: There with it.
Speaker 6: But also I want I want I want people to
Speaker 6: dance like this has always been my thing. I want
Speaker 6: people to dance along with it and then go like, oh,
Speaker 6: what did I just sing along with oh whoa, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I sing along with that. Yeah, that feels even better
Speaker 6: to sing dance along with or change you know, I
Speaker 6: don't know, just trying away, yeah.
Speaker 1: Who I know. We talked a little bit about Kim
Speaker 1: who are other like younger younger, like newer people that
Speaker 1: you're inspired by or that you feel like kinship with.
Speaker 6: I feel like there's a lot that it's really fun
Speaker 6: actually because I feel I have a feeling, either if
Speaker 6: it's musically or stylistically or lyrically, I feel like somebody's
Speaker 6: close to me and I'll contact them and it's like hello, mother,
Speaker 6: I've been waiting for you, and it's so fun so
Speaker 6: even yeah so. But someone like Cortiza Star, I don't
Speaker 6: know if you know them. They're like taking hip hop
Speaker 6: to a really like a weird, awesome, like just blown
Speaker 6: out way and it's it's very cool. They're going to
Speaker 6: be opening for me on part of the tour. Also,
Speaker 6: Pixel Grip will be opening and they're more like this
Speaker 6: like heavy electro style. There's a German band, Brutalist must
Speaker 6: three thousand that reminds me a lot of like more
Speaker 6: Crystal Castles or early like digital hardcore from Melin and
Speaker 6: I mean there's a lot of people I've I feel
Speaker 6: like what's cool about music, about musicians and the music
Speaker 6: people are making now that it's not as pure Like
Speaker 6: there were this questions of purist back then, especially when
Speaker 6: I started like what kind.
Speaker 7: Of music is this? Is this rock? Is this performance
Speaker 7: or is this you know?
Speaker 6: Now, it's like you could have like speed metal and
Speaker 6: like celindion vocal, you know all, and then it could
Speaker 6: switch to to like like a pop about hyper pop
Speaker 6: ballot Like it's just it's all mixed up, and I
Speaker 6: think that that's that's healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be freeing.
Speaker 3: Should we do our door for segment? Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 3: do it for a segment a segment. So our first
Speaker 3: segment is called straight Shooters, And in this segment, we're
Speaker 3: going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions.
Speaker 3: It's basically this thing or this other thing, and you
Speaker 3: just pick one. And the only rules you can't ask
Speaker 3: any follow up questions or we will get You.
Speaker 1: Have to just go with your gut. Okay, Okay, George
Speaker 1: kick us off, Yes, I will kick us off.
Speaker 7: Okay, Wait, what if I don't know what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Okay, ready angry. No loops so rude or no food
Speaker 1: I'm stoofed.
Speaker 6: No loops so.
Speaker 1: Rude, Okay, no loops so rude or you snooze, you lose.
Speaker 1: No loops so rude, burning bush or itchy tush.
Speaker 8: Oh, teaches of peaches or teaches of Ivy League institutions peaches.
Speaker 1: Boys want to be her? Or toy story three.
Speaker 7: Sucks boys want to be her?
Speaker 3: Okay, an early riser or a girly geyser, girly guyser,
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ superstar or Pedro motivar.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's motiva. Okay, posting a dude or fisting a dude.
Speaker 7: Fisting dude of course.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Well, we rank all our guest performance on a scale
Speaker 5: of zero to one thousand doves, and I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 5: that was a clean, one thousand.
Speaker 1: Clean, one thousand doves. Incredible work.
Speaker 7: Has anybody not got.
Speaker 1: I think maybe only four people have gotten like around there? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, is that when doves cry?
Speaker 5: No, it's actually from a little known Lady Gaga song
Speaker 5: called one thousand Doves from the CHROMATICA album.
Speaker 1: Oh it's a deep cut.
Speaker 6: I was just saying that, Yes, exactly, great great, thank
Speaker 6: you for that fun fact of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you know the wrapper Cupcake? Oh yeah, don't you
Speaker 3: think she's amazing? Oh yeah, because I feel like she's
Speaker 3: in your tradition. Yeah, like I feel like you two.
Speaker 6: Love Cupcake very hardcore by very hardcore, way more hardcore
Speaker 6: than I could ever be.
Speaker 1: Her new album, which didn't get as much.
Speaker 7: It was like.
Speaker 1: A few months ago. It didn't get enough. There was
Speaker 1: enough writting about it. But it's she's like lyrically at
Speaker 1: the peak of her powers. It's crazy, like you just
Speaker 1: it's like a genius at work.
Speaker 7: Yes, you know what.
Speaker 6: I'm also really proud of a lot of like flatuation,
Speaker 6: flatulation references. Yeah, and also just on more like you know,
Speaker 6: making things more funny or real in that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's ice spice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talking about farts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I always confuse self flagellation and flatullation fratulation.
Speaker 7: Maybe that's questions.
Speaker 1: Self fratulation or self flatulation. Well, actually, in the pro
Speaker 1: lapsed world, it's almost like those two converged. Self flagellation
Speaker 1: converged with flatellation, then they got prolapsed.
Speaker 7: What you know that like a haircut? Is it like
Speaker 7: a quiff?
Speaker 1: Like a like a quaff a cuff.
Speaker 7: What's a quiff? Nothing?
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't know what.
Speaker 5: Well, sorry, you're saying a cough and a quief.
Speaker 6: Your quaff quiefed you like a special kind of quaff
Speaker 6: markin quief, you.
Speaker 1: Can quef for your cough. You always American is referenced
Speaker 1: in your album as well. I always love when people
Speaker 1: reference Americans, Yes, because it reminds me of the time
Speaker 1: when bin Laden was assassinated and my friend said, I'm
Speaker 1: proud to be a Murkin.
Speaker 3: I couldn't that was knowing. Yeah, the Merkan always confused me.
Speaker 3: I was sort of like, wait, so why did this exist?
Speaker 6: It was for I mean, I might I I don't
Speaker 6: really know, but I think that it was. Was it
Speaker 6: during the plague or during some some really bad history
Speaker 6: time where people were having a lot of trouble and uh,
Speaker 6: sex workers had to shave their.
Speaker 7: Their hair and.
Speaker 6: To be more attractive they used mrcants. And this is
Speaker 6: a different answer I've given on a different podcast, So
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Most say, what you're promoting is that.
Speaker 7: Like that my own method like making up for what
Speaker 7: is about?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's as good as a reason as any
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 6: Think of, but I know that it's about like I
Speaker 6: don't know if it was the plague or but I
Speaker 6: know that people had to shave for health reasons and
Speaker 6: then they were embarrassed and put on mrcans.
Speaker 7: Which is so cool because now it's like the opposite,
Speaker 7: the opposite.
Speaker 1: Well, except the bush is back.
Speaker 7: The bush is back, back the bush.
Speaker 6: There is a a really cool musician another one in
Speaker 6: Berlin named Dornica or Dornica, and she has an awesome
Speaker 6: song called bring back the Bush.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: Well, should we get into our straight topic?
Speaker 3: Yes, well, we touched on it a little bit, touched
Speaker 3: on a little bit, so you know, we asked the
Speaker 3: guest to bring a straight topic and we discussed ahead
Speaker 3: of time what we would talk about.
Speaker 1: We decided a show because we were you know, we're
Speaker 1: started talking about the Golden globes blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: And you said something which shocked me. You were like,
Speaker 5: I've never been on an award show. No, does it appeal
Speaker 5: to you at all?
Speaker 7: I think it's like a weird thing where you say
Speaker 7: it doesn't appeal to you at all.
Speaker 6: But if you're being honored, then you're like yeah, and
Speaker 6: you're like, what am I doing? So in a way,
Speaker 6: you're sort of like perpetuating what everybody.
Speaker 7: Else does on these award shows.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 6: I was on one award show. It was like the Enemy,
Speaker 6: you know, the Enemy Awards. A long time ago.
Speaker 7: I gave an award to.
Speaker 6: Radiohead and I remember reading out and was I screwed
Speaker 6: it up because I read it out and I said,
Speaker 6: and the winner's me, you know, like trying to be
Speaker 6: different and funny. And then Tommy, Tommy came up like, Okay, thanks,
Speaker 6: it's actually.
Speaker 1: That's someone with a real amazing sense of.
Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe they really do. I don't I
Speaker 7: don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I don't technically know. Little
Speaker 1: project it very obviously, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I don't know if I'm built for for
Speaker 6: award shows.
Speaker 7: I also get a lot of.
Speaker 6: The anxiety if you have to read teleprompters. I feel
Speaker 6: it's so weird. I'm like, it goes too fast and
Speaker 6: you just don't feel spontaneous.
Speaker 1: Have you ever performed in like, uh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I'm sure it's not like a
Speaker 1: corporate kick, but like for a room of like stiff
Speaker 1: business y famous people where you're just like it's not
Speaker 1: it's not your crowd, and you just have to like
Speaker 1: go through the motions of the show.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 6: I've definitely performed for stiffies, but not really like a
Speaker 6: bunch of celebrities like a Grammy no oh no no.
Speaker 6: The closest thing I did was Samantha Bees This is
Speaker 6: not the correspondent, but that was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everyone's on your side.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean yeah, So I haven't really had that.
Speaker 6: But I've had stiff people where I've like maybe played
Speaker 6: for like like some kind of fundraiser where there's like
Speaker 6: people who are patrons and they don't know who I am.
Speaker 6: And I remember one time I decided to do this
Speaker 6: act where I go to sing in white pants and
Speaker 6: then my period just happens the pants and their tear aways.
Speaker 6: So I'm like standing there and I never sing and
Speaker 6: the music's playing, and then you know, blood is seeping
Speaker 6: through the white pants and then I pull them off
Speaker 6: and it's just like kind of bloody on my and
Speaker 6: then this woman was so terrified that I ran off
Speaker 6: stage and ran after her.
Speaker 1: And that was a foundraiser for Saint Jude's Children's hospital.
Speaker 6: Right, it was like an art thing actually, but yeah,
Speaker 6: I started just running after people.
Speaker 7: I was like, what can I do?
Speaker 1: Now? That's amazing, I will say.
Speaker 3: I'm always like like I'm always like, yes, please more
Speaker 3: punk rock, be nasty. And then one time I was
Speaker 3: watching a Sarah squirre, like I was watching Sarah squirm
Speaker 3: and I just started getting so genuinely nauseous and I
Speaker 3: was like I'm going to throw up, like and it
Speaker 3: was like I was like, what is going on? Like
Speaker 3: I had to leave and like go dry heave outside
Speaker 3: for a little bit, and I was like, what is
Speaker 3: wrong with this?
Speaker 1: Is honestly how I feel it.
Speaker 7: Did you understand? Did you find out what it was?
Speaker 1: I don't. I think it was just like you get nauseous.
Speaker 1: I get nauseous. I struggle with body horror, I have
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 5: And it makes me feel like such a little due
Speaker 5: because I'm like in theory, I think it's so like
Speaker 5: I think in theory. In theory, I love David Cronenberg movies,
Speaker 5: but every I'm like, oh, just.
Speaker 7: Sticking their fingers.
Speaker 3: I mean even like even the Pit or something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm gonna I always I watch like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a performance artist in Europe. She's from Vienna.
Speaker 6: Her name is Florentina Holtzinger. I talk about her a
Speaker 6: lot because she's incredible. She does like these huge productions
Speaker 6: that are both like everyone is female identified and naked
Speaker 6: on stage like chainsawning wood or like like motorcycle driving
Speaker 6: around other bodies or like falling downstairs, but also just
Speaker 6: like high art and just crazy, crazy, amazing stuff. And
Speaker 6: they did a a recreation of an old opera called Sancta,
Speaker 6: which is about lesbian nuns. And there were people that
Speaker 6: got fully nauseous to this. If people were running out
Speaker 6: and puking because there's also they also do like hooking.
Speaker 1: Hard to watch. We were just a folsome street fair.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been there in San Francisco?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I have, and.
Speaker 3: Sting, pissing, and like I celebrate all of it, but
Speaker 3: it's like there is like I got nauseous. Well, you
Speaker 3: know what's funny, it's like all the whole the reason
Speaker 3: those things that I'm having is because you're taking people
Speaker 3: that are participating or taking back something that should be shameful. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then you are confronted with your own in harem
Speaker 3: prejudices and shame. No matter how accepting an inclusive you
Speaker 3: think you are. It's like you see something unfamiliar, something
Speaker 3: that is combining something that's shameful with something that's sexual,
Speaker 3: and you don't have time to unpack that in the moment.
Speaker 6: So in the moment you're like, oh, well, I have
Speaker 6: well for someone to say, Like when you had that
Speaker 6: experience at the Sarah Squirm show, was it live like
Speaker 6: you were there?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So were you like I hate the show or no?
Speaker 3: It was like, I think I was performing too, so
Speaker 3: I was also probably nervous, and so I was like,
Speaker 3: I think I was like watching her getting nauseous.
Speaker 1: Both. I don't really get nauseous, even just before performing,
Speaker 1: if I.
Speaker 6: Get yeah, yeah, I understand that. Yeah, I used to
Speaker 6: get nauseous a lot more. This is not about sexual anything,
Speaker 6: but in cars and in planes. And then I realized
Speaker 6: it's because my mom was smoking in the car with
Speaker 6: the windows up, and people were smoking on planes.
Speaker 1: Oh that makes sense.
Speaker 7: I realize, Oh, it's just smoking that makes me nauch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I still, like always obviously always loved Sarah's vibe.
Speaker 1: I was just like it was hidden in a different way. Well,
Speaker 1: there is.
Speaker 5: I do think there's an entire I don't know, sort
Speaker 5: of genre of things that you can like in theory
Speaker 5: but not in I don't think that's true for Shara.
Speaker 5: We both love sir, But like, there are just things,
Speaker 5: even music too, where I'm like, in theory, it's so
Speaker 5: cool someone is doing this, and I want so badly
Speaker 5: to like it, but it's not.
Speaker 6: For me right, Like in theory, Gigi Allen shitting on
Speaker 6: stage is cool, but do I really want to smell
Speaker 6: this shit?
Speaker 7: And do I want him to hold it up to
Speaker 7: my nose exactly?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Were you aware of the time when Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: had a vomit artist vomit on her at south By Southwest.
Speaker 7: Yes it was green vomit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's a great example.
Speaker 7: You know, it's so funny.
Speaker 6: Because the Florentina Whold singer, I'd seen her do that
Speaker 6: exactly with green vomit, not saying I don't know that
Speaker 6: Lady Gaga knew anything about that. But there's also this, uh,
Speaker 6: Jubilee Brown. There was this a Toronto artist who and
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was there's a Okay, now
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get is there some artist.
Speaker 7: Ah money or not monee. But some some artist doesn't
Speaker 7: use a certain color literally like the artist.
Speaker 1: Talking about some like avant garde.
Speaker 6: Or like uh, someone in someone in your podcast right now,
Speaker 6: but they literally had that color like in their mouth
Speaker 6: and entered the museum and puked all over the paintings.
Speaker 7: In that color.
Speaker 1: WHOA, my god.
Speaker 6: This is like a huge history of like performance artist. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm puking.
Speaker 5: Like I want to know more about your relationship to
Speaker 5: the art world because it's something that is so uh.
Speaker 5: The art world is often so alienating to me into
Speaker 5: both of us, I think because it's such a closed
Speaker 5: black box and so often it feels like it's a
Speaker 5: way for rich people to launder money and very valid,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 5: And I but then occasionally you will see something You'll
Speaker 5: like walk into the gallery and see something transcendent, and
Speaker 5: you're like, Okay, so there is still interesting stuff happening,
Speaker 5: but I feel so not knowledgeable about where to go
Speaker 5: and where to find it, Like are you involved in
Speaker 5: that world.
Speaker 6: I have friends that are artists, and I like their
Speaker 6: work and I feel their their work is important. I
Speaker 6: you know, the art world is very confusing. I can't
Speaker 6: even understand it, so because I.
Speaker 1: Feel like you overlap with that, Like I think people
Speaker 1: could call your performance through that's amazing. Do a line
Speaker 1: of mercans? Yeah you thought about that. Yeah, what brand
Speaker 1: partnerships are we thinking for this album cycle? Uber Eats?
Speaker 1: Maybe an AI company?
Speaker 7: Yes, all the AI companies.
Speaker 1: It's good, it would be great for you.
Speaker 7: How do you spell it again?
Speaker 1: We'll look it up. We'll look it up.
Speaker 7: I have done. I did. I used to sell mercans
Speaker 7: at my show.
Speaker 1: They were the color of that money is not allowed
Speaker 1: to use.
Speaker 7: No, we had the like the paint beside it, and
Speaker 7: you could puke on the.
Speaker 3: Puke on your own. It's more sanitary that way. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess to return to Award shows being straight. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think this is something. This is maybe I hate
Speaker 3: when this is a new peeve I'm building, Okay, where
Speaker 3: it's like when things are for the cameras more than
Speaker 3: the people in the room, and they have people in
Speaker 3: the room, like I can see the exhaustion of people
Speaker 3: like sitting there being like, Okay, we gotta like smile
Speaker 3: more because it's all gonna be on camera, Like we
Speaker 3: gotta take it again because it's gonna be on and
Speaker 3: I'd rather they like do an event, film it and
Speaker 3: then like cut it together later, right, because I get
Speaker 3: annoyed when something is a live event as a performance
Speaker 3: of what a live event is and not actually just
Speaker 3: a live event.
Speaker 7: Do they do that? A lot of award shows do
Speaker 7: it over again.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 3: They're like taking stuff again if it doesn't like if
Speaker 3: you like stumble over it or like that's not true.
Speaker 1: It just it doesn't have that like I don't know,
Speaker 1: so few things now have that like live feel where
Speaker 1: you think like something could go wrong and maybe someone
Speaker 1: makes a mistake and takes a wrong step, like it's
Speaker 1: also edited or something.
Speaker 3: Well, there's like a sanitization where even like you like
Speaker 3: saying like in the Winter is me, I'm like, we.
Speaker 1: Need more people should do that. We need even to
Speaker 1: like fuck with it a little bit. Yeah, why didn't
Speaker 1: Julia Roberts do that at the Golden Globes? Would if
Speaker 1: it's so funny?
Speaker 7: Did she win?
Speaker 1: No? She presented one of the big awards like Best
Speaker 1: Picture or something, right, Yeah, what was the best?
Speaker 7: But I don't know, I don't tell to you.
Speaker 5: Best Picture Comedy was one battle after another, which is
Speaker 5: crazy that it was included comedy, it's not really comedy.
Speaker 1: And then Best Picture Drama was Hamnet.
Speaker 7: Have you seen that either? Have you No, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I'm curious too. I've heard Jesse Buckley is uh, who
Speaker 1: won Best Actress last night, is like phenomenal in it,
Speaker 1: and she's sort of cool to me. She seems cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Well no, And then the other issue,
Speaker 3: of course, is like Awards for Creativity is completely insane.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I'm always like, why are we doing this?
Speaker 6: And then also why do people dress up? Why is
Speaker 6: everybody dressing a red carpet look? And then it's like judging,
Speaker 6: it's just judging all the time. Yeah, it's more judging again,
Speaker 6: it's judging the best award is judging the best outfit.
Speaker 1: And it's like, but yeah, it's interesting because award shows
Speaker 1: in some ways are very gay.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously they're created try and four gay guys,
Speaker 5: but there is something I think it's almost like they're
Speaker 5: gay in retrospect. They're gay as like cultural moments you
Speaker 5: can look back on and be like, oh, she was fabulous,
Speaker 5: blah blah, But in the moment it's very straight because
Speaker 5: it feels like you're they're just hurting cattle.
Speaker 1: They're like, look at this one, right, I lost weight.
Speaker 1: Look at this one. Her hair is different. Yeah, look
Speaker 1: at this one. She got a divorce.
Speaker 5: It's just like it's truly just like a lineup of
Speaker 5: people that are being judged. I feel like something that's
Speaker 5: very straight is like the archetype of the entertainment tonight,
Speaker 5: like interviewer, like someone who's like, so.
Speaker 1: We're having an amazing time here, Peaches, the new album
Speaker 1: is fabulous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and so I do think it's like
Speaker 5: in the moment, there's almost something like sounds.
Speaker 7: Very campy the way you're saying that's true.
Speaker 1: I know it. Well, you're doing like hunger game style hunger.
Speaker 3: There is it is very hunger, It's true, But I
Speaker 3: feel like there's such a lack of uh, imperfection, like
Speaker 3: everything has to be like so perfect, and even when
Speaker 3: someone's being like I'm rocker.
Speaker 7: They're like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: The other thing that straight about it is that in theory,
Speaker 5: the you know, they're trying to reward art, but in practice,
Speaker 5: to state the obvious, there's like campaigns happening, and of
Speaker 5: course the Best Actor Award is not going to go
Speaker 5: to I don't know, the person that gave the best
Speaker 5: performance whatever that means. It's gonna go to like whatever
Speaker 5: studio paid. So it is like I think the straight
Speaker 5: thing about it is just turning art into a competition,
Speaker 5: which like you know, but then of course the camp
Speaker 5: comes out of that because it's so rigid right that
Speaker 5: you can the seams start to show, and that's when
Speaker 5: it's fun.
Speaker 7: It has to be surfaced, but so like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can find depth in the shallowness.
Speaker 3: To quote Daria, there you go. I do think being
Speaker 3: a presenter awards show is like seems kind of fun,
Speaker 3: oh totally, like because it's such a low like I
Speaker 3: feel like the bit you have to do like doesn't
Speaker 3: have to be like amazingly funny, Like if you're even
Speaker 3: like half funny, you can like be like blow their mind.
Speaker 1: It's because everyone's so stiff. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: I don't know. Maybe I feel like maybe it's a
Speaker 6: fine line, like you just don't know, like what's gonna
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: Be just weird for everybody else.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: This is also the outfits thing when it comes to
Speaker 3: I find so exhausting and even like as we like
Speaker 3: I've started to think more about outfits and like be
Speaker 3: like okay, so now like even just like normal events,
Speaker 3: I need to like have a fun outfit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, how do you make peace with that? Well?
Speaker 1: You always look it's like you're always in. This is
Speaker 1: sort of like Rick Owens, I know.
Speaker 7: Sure is.
Speaker 1: Clocked.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know, because it's also like that again
Speaker 6: with the Ward Show. It's like show as much skin
Speaker 6: as possible until the moment that it's gonna be talked
Speaker 6: about in a negative way, not not from my mind,
Speaker 6: but in that sort.
Speaker 7: Of straight like yeah, totally. It's so strange.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that you should, Like I think
Speaker 1: the most punk rock thing you can do you could
Speaker 1: do specifically me tell me what I can is to
Speaker 1: wear just like the most conventional like form fitting, boob
Speaker 1: forward red dress and then do your hair like like
Speaker 1: a Hollywood startlet, like just like blonde like that.
Speaker 7: No, I think no one would battern and they'd be like,
Speaker 7: who's that?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I have a pitch. You wear like a
Speaker 1: life is Good T shirt like long rainbow flip flop.
Speaker 7: That's it.
Speaker 1: That's maybe you're like walking a dog. That's a really good.
Speaker 7: Maybe like a few dogs, like I'm a dog walking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then you're on your phone the whole time.
Speaker 7: That's solitaire and I have a blue tooth like sal yeah,
Speaker 7: that's it. There we go.
Speaker 1: But the whole time on the blue it's not like
Speaker 1: a business call.
Speaker 3: You're like planning, like like like which highway you're going
Speaker 3: to take to get somewhere.
Speaker 1: Like you're like, well, there's a lot of traffic on
Speaker 1: the four one.
Speaker 7: Trying to get out of it, trying to get out
Speaker 7: of there.
Speaker 1: No loops, so rude. I love saying that that is catchy.
Speaker 7: It is if you don't, because you know, it's like
Speaker 7: all about.
Speaker 6: Getting to a new level and becoming and having comfort
Speaker 6: and finding new ways, not just like let's get it
Speaker 6: done from one one side to another. And it also
Speaker 6: it relates to you know, men a puzzle dryness of women.
Speaker 6: And also you know, fisting is not I mean, lube
Speaker 6: is not just for you know, gay men who forgot
Speaker 6: their paupers to fistl.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like if we're living in a prolapse era,
Speaker 5: the antidote is lube. It's like we have to enter
Speaker 5: a lube mindset.
Speaker 6: This is exactly what I'm talking about. Because's so much
Speaker 6: friction and dryness in the world, you know, So it's
Speaker 6: likely maybe if we had some like magical loube that
Speaker 6: could just like help us talk to each other or
Speaker 6: like interact with each other in a way that didn't
Speaker 6: feel so itchy exactly.
Speaker 1: So to recap, living in a prolapse world is the
Speaker 1: only prop world. I'm a live girl in a prolapse
Speaker 1: perhaps world. I do hate when there's loub on the
Speaker 1: floor and then for like a month, you're like, this
Speaker 1: is a danger.
Speaker 7: It is a danger.
Speaker 6: That's why I also had all these ideas like yeah,
Speaker 6: loub on stick no, no, no, that's sticks around.
Speaker 1: Who in the music industry do you think is a fraud?
Speaker 10: Who's a fraud in the music industry, like one of
Speaker 10: your peers, one of my peers. So funny, I don't
Speaker 10: even consider myself in the music industry.
Speaker 7: Let's just say that.
Speaker 6: Really Yeah, well, I don't really feel like part of
Speaker 6: the industry.
Speaker 1: Church like I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I feel like you're someone who
Speaker 5: like can dip into that whenever you want, because.
Speaker 7: You're so then I don't have to be. So that's
Speaker 7: what I mean. It's not like I'm not I'm not controlled,
Speaker 7: but you're in your stream.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's nothing better than saying that into a podcast
Speaker 3: micro vote. No, we've been called out for that before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's true. Are you afraid of AI?
Speaker 6: I I can't say that. I mean, yes, yes, of course,
Speaker 6: I think we're all afraid of what AI can do.
Speaker 6: I think that I do use AI, and like I
Speaker 6: think we all use it. Like it's there is uses
Speaker 6: for AI, and they're also creative uses, but there's also abuses.
Speaker 6: So it's really it's confusing. Yeah, it's very confusing, but
Speaker 6: it's also detrimental.
Speaker 7: And it's also like.
Speaker 6: AI can't get all the information because there's also all
Speaker 6: these libraries with amazing like archival information that has not
Speaker 6: been read to that needs to be all read to AI.
Speaker 6: If you really want to have everything, you know, there's
Speaker 6: gonna it's gonna kind of run out of its own
Speaker 6: information in some way, but which doesn't make it any
Speaker 6: less scary totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and then entire swaths of knowledge will be
Speaker 1: completely forgotten.
Speaker 6: And entire swaths of knowledge are not even being considered,
Speaker 6: and and of course people are pumping it with certain
Speaker 6: you know, fascism ideologies.
Speaker 7: And that's really scary.
Speaker 3: Too, because you live in Berlin. Does it feel shocking
Speaker 3: to come back, like to come to America now.
Speaker 6: Well, it feels shocking to come and you know, what
Speaker 6: happened this week, what happened last week with Venezuela, what
Speaker 6: happened this week with Renee Good is just it's uh,
Speaker 6: it's it's not shocking, but it's shocking. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 6: it's actually or you know, yeah, it's because it's going
Speaker 6: to be like martial law soon. Like I'm my tours
Speaker 6: in February, February twentieth, let's see if we're still here.
Speaker 7: Well, that's a great note to end on. You can
Speaker 7: take that out if you want.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I mean I do find it.
Speaker 3: It's so conf I mean, your work, you know, is
Speaker 3: dealing with the issues of our times. But it is
Speaker 3: hard to like plan for the future. It's sort of
Speaker 3: like what will be happening in a year. If I'm
Speaker 3: like planning something for a year from now, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: what what will the world look like?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of feel like that also with writing
Speaker 6: an album too. I don't like save up all these
Speaker 6: things because like things happen you're right, they just happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and it's happened. But that's actually a sort
Speaker 1: of not a silver lining. But I completely agree with
Speaker 1: you that. Artistically, I feel like when you have an idea,
Speaker 1: you just have to express it now, yeah, because will
Speaker 1: either feel irrelevant or outdated or like too late if
Speaker 1: you do it in like six months. Like there's just like.
Speaker 7: Dick writing instead of like speaking out ye.
Speaker 1: Completely, yeah, does everyone speak out speak?
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm really I'm you know. I also
Speaker 6: want to mention like a band like the Lambrini Girls.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you know about them. They're like
Speaker 6: pure punk amazing, speaking off of fascism, like in the audience,
Speaker 6: starting their own mash pits, but like really responsible.
Speaker 7: I feel like there's this new age.
Speaker 6: Of like punk and speaking out but also taking care
Speaker 6: of everybody. Like there's this there is like care element
Speaker 6: that you know, even with like sex parties and things
Speaker 6: like that, but which which I think is very important.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I've always trne that to be a a nice
Speaker 3: part of that. Like the sex culture in general is
Speaker 3: very like after care focused and consent focused and testing
Speaker 3: focused and all this stuff, which I really appreciate without being.
Speaker 6: Corny, without the way that like, you can take it
Speaker 6: as far as you can take it, and everybody can
Speaker 6: take it as far as they need to and it's
Speaker 6: not really like the way you take it that far
Speaker 6: doesn't mean I have to.
Speaker 1: Final question for you. What's more annoying over intellectualizing sex
Speaker 1: or over intellectualizing nightlife?
Speaker 6: Hmmm, I would say over intellectualizing sex.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be embodied. Yeah, to be in
Speaker 1: the moment. Up, get going and get going? Should we?
Speaker 1: Let's do our final segment. So our final.
Speaker 3: Segment is called shout outs, and we pay homage to
Speaker 3: the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out, where
Speaker 3: we shout out anything that we are enjoying, people, places, things, ideas.
Speaker 3: We will go first the yes as brief as you want.
Speaker 1: George, I'm gonna do. I'm going to do the most
Speaker 1: like basic corporate shout out as a sort of commentary
Speaker 1: on the fact that we are with like an iconic
Speaker 1: punk rock musicch Great, Okay, what's up everyone? I want
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to Todd Snyder and specifically
Speaker 1: the Todd Snyder store at the Grove. I very last
Speaker 1: minute had to you know, attend a black tie event.
Speaker 1: I don't own black tie, you know, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that I'm currently wearing this pretty conservative outfit, I you know,
Speaker 1: normally think of myself as pretty alternative. And so I
Speaker 1: needed to.
Speaker 5: Buy a tuxedo last minute and they were able to
Speaker 5: rush everything, tailor it to my tastes. It was affordable,
Speaker 5: and I said, you know what, todd Snyder, you know
Speaker 5: what you're doing.
Speaker 9: Bro.
Speaker 5: Shout out to the sales rep at Todd Snyder who
Speaker 5: said that we shouldn't, who said we should hang out,
Speaker 5: but then didn't give me his contact info or tell
Speaker 5: me his name.
Speaker 1: I think you're rad. He had this whole story about
Speaker 1: his husband recently got laid off, so I want to
Speaker 1: send out my thoughts to him and hopefully hands on
Speaker 1: his feet, and pretty much shout out to all gay
Speaker 1: guys that work in customer service anywhere, whether it's your stores, restaurants,
Speaker 1: coffee shops, you are our bravest troops.
Speaker 5: And yeah, if Tuslaer hears this and they potentially want
Speaker 5: to give me like a gift card or something like that,
Speaker 5: I would be open to. That would also be open to,
Speaker 5: and I'll donate some of it to a cause of
Speaker 5: everyone's choice, like New Sox.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, whoa thank you? Okay, I since you went corporate,
Speaker 3: I actually going to doub and go even more corporate
Speaker 3: and insidious. Okay, what's up freaks, losers and of course
Speaker 3: perverts around the globe. I want to give a huge
Speaker 3: shout out to the television program RuPaul's Drag Race. I
Speaker 3: you know, as we all know, we've had fatigue from
Speaker 3: this TV show for roughly a decade now, and then
Speaker 3: this week it came back and we watched it at
Speaker 3: my house and I said, you know what, this is fun.
Speaker 3: We've been through a cycle of like this is amazing,
Speaker 3: this is revolutionary, to like this is taking time off
Speaker 3: of my life, and to now I think we can
Speaker 3: be at a place where we are at peace with
Speaker 3: it and we are saying this is simply a part
Speaker 3: of our world and it's fun to watch. You don't
Speaker 3: need to freak out about it, you and just enjoy it.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying, you know, it's nice to have something
Speaker 3: to watch on a Friday night before.
Speaker 1: You're any eagle. Yeah, so shout out our bulls Drag Race.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate just having something to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, xoxo, Sam, Wow, and good luck to all the
Speaker 3: girls this season, and good luck to all the girls
Speaker 3: this sees, especially the ones we like.
Speaker 6: Good Luck to all the drag queens.
Speaker 1: This is all the dragons. Thank you.
Speaker 6: Okay, Peaches, I I've already said it, but I'm just
Speaker 6: going to shout out all the musicians who are making
Speaker 6: an effort to speak out and to integrate it in
Speaker 6: their show in a way that makes it powerful, that
Speaker 6: mobilizes people. And shout out to people who are speaking
Speaker 6: out and really saying something and keep doing it. It's
Speaker 6: so important, it's so important for us. I know we
Speaker 6: are all scared and it's really I'm closing my eyes
Speaker 6: because it's it's so real, like trying to scare us
Speaker 6: from saying anything. And it's so important. So shout out
Speaker 6: to all of you for saying something. Shout out for
Speaker 6: you for even thinking about it.
Speaker 1: That's it, And no lube So Rude is out. February twentieth,
Speaker 1: feb This is going on tour.
Speaker 6: It starts February twenty Europe, North America February twentieth to
Speaker 6: end of March.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, amazing, Thanks so much for doing the politic
Speaker 3: Thank you such a treat.
Speaker 1: We're so honored. Yeah, thank you. Okay, bye bye podcast
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