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Speaker 1: episode of The Daniel Cormier Show, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: not slow you down. Hey, today, I'm joined by a

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Speaker 1: special guest. I believe that this man is one of

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Speaker 1: the most impressive and resilient champions that our sport has

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Speaker 1: ever seen. He is the FUM Middleweight Champion, Chris Widman.

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Speaker 1: This is a kid from Baldwin, Long Island. He wrestled

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Speaker 1: his way to becoming an All American at Hastra before

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Speaker 1: he shot the world and he knocked out Anderson Silva

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Speaker 1: to become UFC champion. Chris Widman's story is one where

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Speaker 1: it showed he had to battle through career threatening injuries.

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Speaker 1: He was able to come back and fight when no

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Speaker 1: one thought he could. This dude's built a life defined

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Speaker 1: by grit, his family's faith, and uh he's proud of

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Speaker 1: all of that and I'm proud to call him one

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Speaker 1: of my friends. So welcome in, my man, Chris Wideman.

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Speaker 1: You like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean I might let to say there

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Speaker 2: was a teleprompter, but you actually went off. You went

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Speaker 2: off of the telepone. Yeah, that's talent.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time, or skilled, you know, man, Chris, Yeah, impressed. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I I talked a little bit about growing up in

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Speaker 1: Long Island. What was that like, right, because so many people,

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Speaker 1: we all have different upbringings. Obviously we all end up

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Speaker 1: and brought brought up differently. I was growing up in

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Speaker 1: Long Island with you and your sister and your your brother, who,

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Speaker 1: by the way, was literally the definition of the eighties bully,

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Speaker 1: which we will get into a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I loved I had a great upbringing, great parents,

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Speaker 2: super supportive, loving, They were at everything of mine, every

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Speaker 2: sporting event, they were showing up. Grew up in like

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Speaker 2: a diverse town. It was like in the area people

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Speaker 2: thought it was like pretty tough. I didn't think it

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Speaker 2: was anything crazy. There was one worse. But I grew up.

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Speaker 2: I grew up. Can they hear anything? Yeah? I grew up,

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Speaker 2: you know, fighting a lot, you know, like you, Like

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, my brother was was big, strong, you know,

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Speaker 2: three years older, athletic. He was pretty much better than

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Speaker 2: me at everything. He was smart too, and but he

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Speaker 2: would also put it on me. He was he was

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Speaker 2: he could be mean.

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Speaker 1: Why why why do you think so a man? He was?

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Speaker 2: Uh, he was just a different character. Like as a friend,

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Speaker 2: he was a great friend, very loyal and you you

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Speaker 2: you know, Uh, he'd have your back to the death.

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Speaker 2: He'd do anything for you. But for me when it

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Speaker 2: this now, but there was a bunch of these crips,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, he got the crips and the bloods. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we were from there was there was really only crips.

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Speaker 2: There was a couple other towns that had bloods, you know,

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Speaker 2: crips and they were. They were messing me, and I

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Speaker 2: was basically like, you know, you guys could you guys

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Speaker 2: And so I brought because they were older, so I

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Charlie, these kids are outside, they try and

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Speaker 2: one second. He goes inside his room, he gets a

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Speaker 2: running bowing arrow, bow and arrow. He was, He's a

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Speaker 2: he was a maniac. You know, he's a great he's

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Speaker 2: great family man. Now he's changed for the for the better,

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Speaker 1: So that toughing you up.

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Speaker 2: Though, it tough in me all through wrestling or if

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Speaker 1: When that was happening, though, Like, were your parents like

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Speaker 2: Charlie, stop, yeah, he man, this is a kid that

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Speaker 2: bites her hand. He just like, you know, his brain

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Speaker 1: You know. When I had a big brother, you know,

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Speaker 1: my brother's Joe, he could be tough on me, but

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Speaker 1: So we were twelve and that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: So he can't kill you that bad?

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Speaker 1: Well, when I would get threatened with fights, he never

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, like my parents. But my dad

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Speaker 2: used to sing Denver, the last dinosaur, the last dinosaur,

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Speaker 2: start singing it. I act like I'm psycho and I'm

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Speaker 2: coming at him and then he just like he would

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Speaker 2: call me out. Who called my bluff? Should have walked

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Speaker 1: Bro, Chris, I would have is laughing at you.

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Speaker 2: He knows, he knows.

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Speaker 1: He starts singing this ship, he knows all these stories

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Speaker 1: you start singing that you deserve to get your ass.

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Speaker 1: Kid that's singing this last is the crazy. That is

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Speaker 1: the craziest story.

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Speaker 2: I guess I wasn't the coolest kid.

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Speaker 1: Man. He was bad. It was so bad.

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Speaker 2: So what it was?

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Speaker 1: Did it feel like you had a shield around you

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I thought it was like what gave me energy?

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Speaker 2: And like I thought I couldn't get beat if I

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Speaker 2: but that was my thing. I would just start singing that,

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Speaker 2: and I just nobody could beat me. Yeah, that is crazy, bro.

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Speaker 1: I hope my son never sings that. If my son

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Speaker 1: I was getting to fight, you started to slapped the ship.

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Speaker 2: I was younger though I was younger than even our kids. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I was probably like this is I feel like I

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Speaker 1: What made me stop?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. Well, I started getting

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Speaker 2: into sports and stuff. I started getting into wrestling and

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Speaker 1: So So, Chris, you had a good wrestling career, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, your dad and mom were always there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: was your dad hard on you at all? Or was

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Speaker 1: he kind of like laid back and.

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Speaker 2: Didn't really zero percent hard on me? Come on, Chris

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Speaker 2: literally never mentioned, hey, you should get up and do

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Speaker 2: a run, you should go to this practice. He was,

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Speaker 2: he was working hard. He was just very supportive. He's

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Speaker 2: find them rides and whatever I have to do. Really yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: zero zero percent that he ever pushed me at all.

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Speaker 1: So my my dad, he wasn't the hardest, but he

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Speaker 1: always kind of like make sure I was doing the

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Speaker 1: right thing. But he was always kind of tough, right.

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Speaker 1: He never really like hugged me, and like he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: like kiss me or anything. Did you dad, like show

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Speaker 1: you affection?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he I don't say yeah we yeah, yeah, I'm kissing, hugging,

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Speaker 1: No, like I kiss my son. I kissed my son

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Speaker 1: on the head all the time, and before every wrestling match,

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Speaker 1: I'll give him a kiss. Our football game, I kissed

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My dad didn't do that though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he was doing that, but

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Speaker 2: he was there. He was a cheerleader. He was just

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Speaker 2: a cheerleader. Yeah, the time, he was just a cheerleader.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: The craziest thing is, like I saw my father before

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Speaker 1: he passed with my kids. I could not believe how

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Speaker 2: How he was saying I love you.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was so free for him to say

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can relate to that. With my father in law,

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Speaker 1: I asked you to day for your kid to wrestle

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Speaker 1: That's crazy though, Like it's like that's the level into

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Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy. But there's kids that are doing

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Speaker 1: But most dads can't do that, right, especially when they

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Speaker 1: But then how do you find the balance? Right? Like,

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Speaker 1: also because I am Chris Widman's son, right and my

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Speaker 1: How do you do that? How do you find that

436
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,040
Speaker 1: balance with your boys while not being overbearing, because there's

437
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,760
Speaker 1: already a built in pressure.

438
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,680
Speaker 2: And I really hope they just I really don't push them.

439
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 2: I try not to push them, but you also want

440
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 2: to encourage them they if they have a true passion

441
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 2: for it, I'm gonna be super supportive. But you can't

442
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 2: instill a passion to somebody that just kind of has

443
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,160
Speaker 2: to happen on its own. So I think when you're

444
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,040
Speaker 2: trying to push that passion to somebody, it's just a

445
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 2: battle that's going to be lost. You know you're gonna

446
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 2: end up losing your relationship with your son. You know

447
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,520
Speaker 2: your son's gonna end the phone out of love with

448
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 2: the sport, and it usually goes backwards. But that being said,

449
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: like I've also seen the other way. I've seen parents

450
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,399
Speaker 2: push their kids like maniacs, yep, and they had it

451
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 2: work out, and it work out where the kid's amazing.

452
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 2: I don't know about the relationship with the parent. Maybe

453
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 2: it's good, maybe it's not, but.

454
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't that's where they suffer. That's where those relationships suffer.

455
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 2: I'm going with the percentage of what I've seen in

456
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 2: my life. I think it's better not to your kid

457
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: has to decide if he wants it or not, and

458
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,320
Speaker 2: if he really wants it, then you're there for him

459
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:31,400
Speaker 2: and you're gonna give them whatever he needs to get there.

460
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,360
Speaker 1: So John Smith, the greatest American wrestling of all time,

461
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,840
Speaker 1: never coached this kid until he got older. Thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.

462
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: Kid end up being a three time All American and

463
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 1: that's enough. But it's like, can you be your father

464
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: when you are who you are? Because sure your dad

465
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: was very supportive, he was a bit of a cheerleader,

466
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: but he also didn't know what you know and he

467
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: can't give what you can give. So then how again,

468
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 1: how do you not cheat with not passing one?

469
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: You have so much knowledge that you want to pass

470
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 2: on to your son to cheat, to cut those hard times,

471
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: make it a shorter time period where he's going through

472
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: those hard times because you're giving him the cheat cod basically.

473
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,480
Speaker 2: And I try to do that my kids. If I

474
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: start feeling they're rolling their eyes, they're looking the other way,

475
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 2: I'm out And I hope that and it's starting to

476
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 2: happen a little bit, but at some point I hope

477
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: that it's full attentiveness and I could help them you know,

478
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: get there a little bit quicker, so they don't have to,

479
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 2: you know, go through as much hard times as you know,

480
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: we had to go through. But I also, you know,

481
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 2: I didn't become an Olympic champion. I didn't become you know, Olympian.

482
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: I didn't become a national champion in wrestling. So I

483
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 2: never really accomplished my goal in wrestling. So I'm not

484
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 2: saying that everything my dad did, you know, is the

485
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: way to be. But for me, I like the idea

486
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: of trying to be the cheerleader, being a really good wrestler, fight,

487
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: and then try to teach your kid. It's almost like

488
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: a blessing and a curse. Like you have all this

489
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: knowledge that you want to you know, instill into your kids,

490
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: and but then how do you make sure you're not,

491
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: you know, pushing them too much?

492
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's almost impossible for the kid

493
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: to do what the dad did, especially in wrestling. Like

494
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: Nate Carr is so lucky because David Carr is amazing.

495
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't work out that that much. I asked John that,

496
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: I said, what's success? He goes Joe being an All

497
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: American was success for me. Not everybody's gonna be Olympic

498
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: champ and I was like, he's right, and my kid

499
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 1: ever becomes a state champion one time was placed with it.

500
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: I'll be happy because that's you can't have that expectation

501
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 1: of them of what we had. But I think we

502
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: also need to push them to make sure that they

503
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: at least have the opportunity to learn it. Because we

504
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: learn on the job. We can give them some of

505
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: the things that we went through to try to guide

506
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Speaker 1: us and guide them in their careers. But your career

507
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: and takes shit a hofstra. You become an All American,

508
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: but again it was still hard right at time. You

509
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: took some losses. How have loss how has loss been

510
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: a way for you to build? And how have you

511
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: taken losses from the college wrestling mat to the mixed

512
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: martial arts How have you applied that loss to make

513
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: you better going forward?

514
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: Well especially coming I think what comes to my mind

515
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: is when I when I got done wrestling, I was

516
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: kind of known as like the kid who kind of

517
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: could beat anybody, but also could lose to anybody. And

518
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: I was kind of a mental midget. I was I

519
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: would I would choke. I went to the semifinals twice.

520
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: The two times I went to Division one, I made the

521
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: semifinals both times. Both times I was winning against the

522
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: guy who eventually won the national championship, and then I

523
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: got pinned well Chris. So it was, you know, I

524
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: just find a way to lose. And I and when

525
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: I reflected when I started getting to MA, I had

526
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: to try to figure out, like, what the hell's wrong

527
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: with me? Why am I this guy? And I realized

528
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: that I think there was a lot of these guys

529
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: were just working way harder than me and smarter than me.

530
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: I was competitive. I love to compete, but I wasn't

531
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: doing the extra stuff at all. I liked being like

532
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: I was the athletic kid that could beat anybody. You know.

533
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: That was that was that was cool for me. But

534
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: when I got into MMA, I was like, you know,

535
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to be that kid anymore. I want

536
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: to be that hard working, blue collar kid that just

537
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 2: grinds every day. So I when I got into MMA,

538
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: that was the mind shift that I made within myself,

539
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I'm just I'm just gonna outwork everybody.

540
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 2: And then eventually became a habit.

541
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566
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Speaker 1: That was kind of what you did right, Like, that's

567
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: what you did right. And you speak about mixed martial arts,

568
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: but you end up training on Long Island with Ray Longo?

569
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Speaker 1: Was that just kind of by chance because that's where

570
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: you're from. It's like we talked about this before you

571
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: and I were It's like, man, you got kids that

572
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: go wrestle for you from all different places, and kids

573
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: transfer and they move and they do all these things.

574
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Speaker 1: When we were growing up, it was like you kind

575
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,840
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576
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: then you just go Was that what that was with

577
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: the gym with Longo Ceremony? It was like it was

578
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: on Long Island you were or had you move back

579
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 1: home after college, and uh, that was the gym that

580
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: you were closest to. Yeah.

581
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 2: For me, it was just seamless. I guess just luck

582
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: being blessed that. The way I even got into MMA

583
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: was there was MMA fighters coming from Longos and Matt

584
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: Sarah's coming down to Hofstra to learn to be a

585
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: better wrestler. So I was helping them with their wrestling,

586
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: and I wasn't even thinking about fighting at that point.

587
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: And then eventually I was. I was trying to be

588
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: an Olympian. I was trying to be an Olympic team,

589
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: and after I got injured right before the trials, and

590
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: that was kind of the crossroads, like all am I

591
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: going to try to take make the world teams I

592
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: was making. I was an assistant coach at Hastra, getting

593
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: a master's degree and making twelve thousand dollars a year,

594
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: and so I'm like, man, this is a It's a

595
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: tough way to live, you know. And I was living

596
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: with my parents' basement. We were just having our first kid.

597
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: My wife is out, she just got her CPA license,

598
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: she's working at price Warehouse Cooper, and I'm kind of

599
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: the loser, you know, just making twelve thousand dollars a year.

600
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: So I saw all these fighters making money. I knew

601
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: wrestlers were doing really good with it. I had a

602
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: lot of people around me that knew where I came

603
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 2: from and the way I grew up. I knew my brother.

604
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: They're like, you would be like the amazing at this,

605
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 2: you should be doing this, and I'm like, eh, maybe

606
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: you're right. And when I got it, when I first

607
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: walked into Matt Sea's gym, that was when I made

608
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: that switch in the mind, like all right, I'm just

609
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: gonna try to outwork everybody. And I did three months

610
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: of jiu jitsu straight up. I paid whatever it was, like,

611
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars a month, and I paid for a

612
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: gee one hundred and sixty nine dollars, and I did

613
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: After three months, I did a Grappler's Quest, and I

614
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: did my weight class and then the Absolute Division, and

615
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: the winner of the Absolute Division would get two thousand dollars.

616
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: So I ended up submitting everybody in my weight class

617
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: and the Absolute division black belts, you know, the black

618
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: belt division, and I want two thousand dollars. I'm like, bro,

619
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 2: I could do this.

620
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: You were three months into your.

621
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: Career months three months. I'm like, I could make I

622
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 2: make more money doing this every if I could do

623
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: this once a month, I'm making more money doing this

624
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: and I am coaching the hostra. So then I was like,

625
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 2: I got my wife on board. I'm going to start,

626
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, going down to Longos and learn how to

627
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: stand up. And then six months later I had my

628
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 2: first pro fight. I just went straight into it.

629
00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know many guys that were more highly

630
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: regarded as prospects as you coming into the UFC. But

631
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: to live up to that was crazy. But yours was expedited.

632
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: You only had nine and oh when you fought Anderson, Bro,

633
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: when Anderson was rocking and rolling at that time, he

634
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: was by far the best fighter on the planet. It

635
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: was scary. He was dangerous. You're nine and oh, you

636
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: haven't even been in an octagon ten times and you

637
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: get that call. What was that call like? Because I

638
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I know, I see stuff that you've talked about where

639
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: you go. I was excited. I was there had to

640
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: be a party going, man, this is fast.

641
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: I was on a mission, Bro, I was in it.

642
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: At that time. I was so focused. I'm becoming a

643
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: world champion. It was everything to me. You know, I

644
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: had failed and everything else I did, you know, wrestling

645
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: and stuff I never accomplished my goal, and this was

646
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: I was doing everything right. I was out working everybody.

647
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: I was winning every training session against anybody that put

648
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: me against and with jiu jitsu, stand up professor boxers.

649
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: I was I had to win every round of everything.

650
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: I had to finish people, and I was doing everything right,

651
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: and I believed I could be the world champion. And

652
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 2: it was me who made that a fight happen. I mean,

653
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: I went out there against Mark Muno's and I put

654
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: on still probably the best I've ever felt in a

655
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: fight was against that against Mark, and they were trying

656
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: to get Mark to fight Anderson Silva because there was

657
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: alder uh you know, talk about how Mark had beat

658
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: him in sparring or something.

659
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't teammates.

660
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so after that fight, I had met with

661
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: Lorenzo and Dana and them in Chicago, and I was

662
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: just like, you know, I begged them. I'm like, please

663
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: give me Innocon. I'm telling you, not only will I

664
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: beat him, I'll finish him. And they're like all right,

665
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: and they didn't. I didn't hear anything. And then next

666
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: thing I know, they called me. I had just got

667
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: I just had a shoulder surgery. I just went through

668
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: Hurricane Sandy, and uh, they called I just got done

669
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: with the rehab and it was going to be eight weeks. Actually,

670
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: as soon as I got done with the rehab of

671
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: the shoulder injury, it was basically time to start camp.

672
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: But I was I was on a mission. Many there

673
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: was doubt, you know that I saw off his fights,

674
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: you know, I saw all those highlight knockouts. I seen

675
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: how it made people look stupid out there, and there

676
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: would be moments where those doubts would come to my

677
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: mind and the possibility of being embarrassed, you know, and

678
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: not accomplishing my goal. But man, I was anxious all

679
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: the time because I was constantly thinking about and constantly

680
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: running those thoughts out of my mind. You know, I

681
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: was fighting those thoughts every second of the day.

682
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think that those losses, right, not being

683
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: able to ultimately accomplish what you accomplished, prepared you for

684
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: those big moments? You carried a chip on your shoulder,

685
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: knowing like, man, I want to prove everybody wrong. I

686
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: was the kid that blew it right, I was the choker. Yeah,

687
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: now I'll have an opportunity on the biggest stage of

688
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: my life. It's not only not choke, but I can

689
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: shock the world because you were supposed to get beat

690
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: and you were supposed to be bad. I was in

691
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: the arena that night and people were holding up Brazilian flags.

692
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,719
Speaker 1: It was the Fourth of July weekend.

693
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they handed Brazilian flags out and American flags out.

694
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: There's more Brazilian flags in the arena than American flags.

695
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: On the fourth of July. And you're young at the time,

696
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: young in your career and young in age.

697
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: I just went back and we just saw that fight

698
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: with my son. The other day with CJ. We were

699
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: sitting on the couch and you pulled it up. I

700
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: couldn't believe how young I looked.

701
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: You're a baby, dude, was a baby. You were a baby.

702
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: I was only a two to I was only a

703
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: two to one under dog.

704
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: But you're Anybody could tell that you were good.

705
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: I knew. I knew what other people with I knew.

706
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we had got like GSP came out. He

707
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: thought I was going to beat him. There were some

708
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: big names in the sport that were like, Wiman has

709
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: what it takes, you know to beat him, But I

710
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: just I didn't care. I had to win that fight.

711
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: You know I had to beat him. I had to,

712
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: you know, finally accomplish my goal.

713
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: When you knocked him out. That place went crazy when

714
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: you knocked him out and he went down and you

715
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: had just beaten the guy that was considered the best

716
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: in the world. What did you think of immediately? I know,

717
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: you're all fired up. You're like showing your hands and like,

718
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: I knew I was gonna do this. But bro, when

719
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: he went down because he was talking and he was talking,

720
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: and you just kept plugging away, like you never let

721
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: anything get to you in that moment. Would you ever

722
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: get them Did you ever get a thought in there

723
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: go fuck this dude, man, I want to take his

724
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: head off, like while you're fighting.

725
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: So we had all these professional boxers and kickboxers come

726
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: in and we'd have them taunt me and put their

727
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: hands down and mess with me. And I thought I

728
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: was prepared for that, and I didn't let it bother

729
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: me in training, and then when it was actually happening

730
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: in there, I kept my composure. I kept my composure.

731
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: Then he had done it one more time and this

732
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: is one that knockout happened, and it was actually me

733
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: losing my composure. I got pissed. I said, he started

734
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: doing that like I was winning the fight. You know,

735
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: I gave him the first round, second round, I'm landing

736
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: more strikes. The only thing he was landing was he

737
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: was like kicking the crap out of me. But I was,

738
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: you know not, I had my poker face on. And

739
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: he did it one more time where he started doing like,

740
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: you know, the shimmy and ye shimmy, I mean whatever,

741
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: and I was like, are you joking me? So I

742
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: that's why it was like a weird combination because I

743
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: just wanted to I think at the jab that I

744
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: came with a cross, I barely miss him, and I

745
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: just hit him. I just wanted to hit him with something,

746
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: so I hit him with my backfist and I guess

747
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: that's what he thought that was my hook and then

748
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: now my hook was coming behind it and just hit him.

749
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: And I mean when he went down, it was you know,

750
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: it was it was it was just surreal. I lost

751
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: my mind. I was pissed, like actually I wasn't. As

752
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: soon as I knocked him down and I finished him.

753
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean I was ripping my shorts off. I was

754
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: doing the Derek Lewis before you.

755
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: Were fighting, you turn into your brother. You were fighting.

756
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: I was like, what now, motherfucker?

757
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: You want to keep doing it?

758
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: Like I was, I was actually losing my mind, kind

759
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 2: of blacked out. I thought I was gonna beat him

760
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: by either submission or TKO. I did not guy was

761
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: knocking him out. We've seen guys he lets people punch him.

762
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just his eyes are so good.

763
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: He would come on the cage and literally let dudes

764
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: punch him in the face. Sometimes he wouldn't even move

765
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: his head. Yeah, it would be nothing. And so for

766
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: me to knock him out, that wasn't that you know,

767
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 2: you know, Longo had me believing in my hands, but

768
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: that wasn't the recipe for success that we were looking for.

769
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: You knock him out. You guys fight again? Second time.

770
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: It looks like he's afraid to go to the octagon.

771
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you watch that, his walkout took

772
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: so long because I think he recognized. I mean, there

773
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: were a dude that I don't know if I can

774
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: be could you feel that like when you when you

775
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: were standing back there waiting, did you ever want to like,

776
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: first off, why is this taking so long? Like what's happening?

777
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: And then when you go back and watch it, you

778
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: could see in his face like he didn't think he

779
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: could be he didn't think he could beat you. It

780
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: was a different he had a different approach to that fight,

781
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: and you could see it all over him.

782
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was a man on a mission. Man.

783
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 2: I was so hungry. I was a young, hungry kid

784
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: with it was my it was my dream. He had

785
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: already accomplished so much like it's hard when you're getting

786
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: older and you just win in one title fight after

787
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: the other and you have this guy and you know,

788
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: it's weird to say, but at the time, I was

789
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: a freaking animal. You know, I was truly an animal.

790
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: I was in there to completely dominate him. It meant

791
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: everything in the world to me. That's a tough that's

792
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: a tough octor gone to walk into, you know. And

793
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 2: that second fight, obviously, the light break was awful.

794
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: It did was it? What did it sound loud when

795
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: you were in there?

796
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: Honestly, I did not know. I get a lot of

797
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 2: backlash online, but people, I guess, don't watch the full tape.

798
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: As soon as he goes down, I think he's hurt.

799
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 2: I think I think I mentally and physically broke him

800
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: at that point in my mind, because if you watch

801
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: the first round in that fight, I drop him, I

802
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: hit him in the temple, he drops, and now I

803
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 2: drop him again on the feet, hard ground to pound

804
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: the whole first round, second round, I checked his first

805
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: leg kick. First leg kick guy ever checked. And it

806
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: was so much easier to fight in the second time

807
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: because he had his hands up the whole time. It

808
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: was like a traditional kickbox. His hands were down. It

809
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: was way more difficult to deal with. You know, you're

810
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: dealing with your emotion, you're getting like you're embarrassing you.

811
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 2: But he had so much backlash when he got knocked

812
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: out with his hands down that he came to that

813
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: second fight doing everything right, you know, and it was

814
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: just easier to see everything coming. And so before that

815
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: leg broke, I checked his first leg kick. He was

816
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: so good at setting those leg kicks up so well

817
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't see him, and I was able to

818
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: see one. I checked it. That's not the time he

819
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 2: broke his leg. We move around a little bit more.

820
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: Now he throws the leg kick without any setting up.

821
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't set it up at all, and

822
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, I check it, and I just thought he

823
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: was mentally and physically broken. I thought it probably hurt

824
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: his shin. So I start running around the outgune I win,

825
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: and then I heard a scream, you know, from anison,

826
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why's he screaming like that? And that

827
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: came over and then I seen his leg all messed up,

828
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: and I mean, you, it was very hard for me

829
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: to be happy. Really, you could watch me in that

830
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: post fight after my little run around. I was my

831
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: coach is coming in super happy. I'm like trying to

832
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: force a smile a little bit, but I was.

833
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: It was.

834
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: It was devastating. It was terrible. Yeah, you going and

835
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: then obviously you know what happens later, but yeah, it

836
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: really gave me a good insight on what he was

837
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: dealing with, which is awful.

838
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: You go on this run of Brazilian champions that you're

839
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: beating leotro v tour and then we get to the

840
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: fight with Luke Rockle right, it was very easy. It

841
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: was very easy to see that you two were on

842
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: a collision course to fight each other. The fight was

843
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: going very well early and then he starts to work

844
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: his way back into the fight and then you do

845
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: that spinning kick. Do you think about that? Like, do

846
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: you thing about like what if I did not do

847
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: that in that moment? And what prompted you to do

848
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: that in that moment when you're fatigued and you can't

849
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: really do it at the rate or the speed that

850
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: you normally would.

851
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's not it's not excuses, It's just I

852
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: was I was on my way to lose. I was

853
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: on my way to losing at some point, whether it

854
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: was Luke or someone else very in your career. Why

855
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: even before even Vitoor fight like if if? Because I started,

856
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 2: I started, well, the injuries started really turning up on me.

857
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: You know, I started having you know, it's on my

858
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: way to get into thirty surgeries, you know where I'm

859
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: at now, But they just start piling up. My knees were.

860
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: So all the hard all the I'm going to be

861
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: the hardest working guy in the room started to really

862
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: become a negative.

863
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: Yes, So I had to start changing things. You know,

864
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: Now I made money, right, I'm going out to expensive dinners.

865
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: I had had a ribby until I was probably you know,

866
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: twenty seven years old. You know, I had never went

867
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: to an expensive restaurant. In my life. All of a sudden,

868
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: I had money. You were doing all these different things.

869
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: You know, I have sponsors, So you had that aspect

870
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: of it where I was that hungry kid living in

871
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: my parents' basement. That was on. My goal was to

872
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: provide for my family and become a world champion. So

873
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: now I already have that. Or I defended my belt

874
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 2: twice against Anison, beat Anderson, and defended against Anderson, then

875
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: Leoto Machiitah, Now I'm going as vtor Bell for it.

876
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: I had get I got injured before that fight, and

877
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 2: then they rebook it for a couple, you know, months later,

878
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 2: and they were starting to get a lot. I was

879
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 2: starting to get a lot backlash or being like having

880
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 2: injuries and having to push out of fights and stuff,

881
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: and so I decided to do shorter camps. I was like,

882
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: you know, instead of doing a ten week camp, I'm

883
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: doing six week camp. I just started doing less. I

884
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: started doing less work, you know, to take it's less

885
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: less chance of getting injured. But then I would still

886
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: get injured in the fight. I would still get injured

887
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: in training camp, and then I was there was no

888
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: time to take care of my body. It was just

889
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: I had to keep grinding and pushing through it, and

890
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: the injuries started adding up. Going too the Vtur fight.

891
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: That was the beginning of my demise because I won

892
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: that fight the first round doing a six week training camp,

893
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: and I wasn't training. I wasn't training like I used

894
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: to do at all.

895
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: Why do you think, why do you think fighters struggles

896
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: so much when they get everything that they aspire to get,

897
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: the money, the fame, the freedom, the comfortable life. Why

898
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: do you think fighters struggled so much when you get

899
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: everything that you intended to get and more.

900
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 2: I had a hard time. So after I beat Answered

901
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: the first time, I knew I was gonna have to

902
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: rematch him no matter what, like even before the fight,

903
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: so I had that as my goal. Lioto macheta fight,

904
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: I wasn't getting the credit. You know, people, you know

905
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: his leg broke, they thought it was a freak knockout.

906
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: In the first fight. I still wasn't getting the credit

907
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: as a UFC champion and it was pissing me off.

908
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: So I was like, I got to dominate Leo Machidah.

909
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: So I was very well prepared for that fight. Then

910
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 2: I got a lot of credit, like people were like, oh,

911
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: this dude's he's good. And I accomplished my goal. Yeah,

912
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: I became a world champion. I defended a couple, you

913
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: know at that time, you know, twice, and I was

914
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: you know, now it's just like, all right, I'm just

915
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: gonna keep trying to stay undefeated and not lose anymore,

916
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: you know, just keep trying to win belts. It wasn't

917
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: as much of a like a goal that I was

918
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 2: hungry for like it was in the beginning. Yeah, I wasn't.

919
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't like as obsessed, you know, to beat the

920
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: world champ. Yeah, I you know, I did it. You know,

921
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: I won my national championship, I won my goal. I

922
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: won you know, all the things I didn't think I

923
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: could do a little bit. The chip on my shoulders

924
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: started starting to and so then going to Luke rock Hole,

925
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: if I I knew he was, I was. I was

926
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: back into that old Chris, that old choke artist Chris,

927
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: because I wasn't working as hard as everybody anymore, and

928
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 2: so I was doubting myself. And instead of fighting those

929
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: doubts out, I was I was like, it doesn't matter

930
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: what I think.

931
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: Now.

932
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: It all matters is when against the Afghan So I'm

933
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: not fighting those thoughts every day, and I think eventually

934
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: it just kind of caught up to me. And uh yeah,

935
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: you know, Luke was the better fighter that night. I

936
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: thought we both looked like crap. You know, I honestly

937
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: think we both fought terrible that night, and uh yeah.

938
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: After that, it was very difficult to regain and reclaim

939
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: that championship level. Why why was it so hard to

940
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: Because again, that thing that you chased, that you had

941
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: coveted and you had gotten to it was gone. Now

942
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: you could you not re capture that want for it?

943
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Or were the injuries so bad that you were like, man,

944
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: no matter what I do, because you should wreck when

945
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: you wreck. Recognize I did a six week camp this time,

946
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: I should go back to doing twelve. Did you do that?

947
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: And if you didn't, how did you really expect it

948
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: to change?

949
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? I wasn't.

950
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: I was or didn't matter.

951
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking like I'm thinking now. I was thinking.

952
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 2: I got in so with the Luke rock Holl fight

953
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: in my head, the reason why I lost is because

954
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: I did a six week train camp, but in the

955
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: first week I broke my foot on Valante's elbow right,

956
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: So now I couldn't do the cardio and the footwork

957
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: and all that stuff like I like I wanted to.

958
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: So I just I blamed it on that. But it

959
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: was more than that. It was a lot more than that.

960
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: It was so much deeper with all the things we're

961
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, like the just mentally being confident

962
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: comes from hard work. You know, I need to really

963
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: grind and feel like I'm working harder than everybody else

964
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: for me to truly be confident. And I wasn't. I

965
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: wasn't doing that anymore. And then on top of that,

966
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: the injuries. Man, I just I had a lot of

967
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: bad injuries that are a problem.

968
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: Injuries are a problem, but you have injuries and then

969
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: you have an injury like what happened at UFC two

970
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: sixty one. Twenty seconds into the fight, you throw that kick.

971
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: It is literally one of the nastiest things I've ever

972
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: seen in my life. Take me to that moment when

973
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: you're in the octagon and that happens, and how quickly

974
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: you realize, like this is really bad. Seriously, because I've

975
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: watched your documentary, right and I've heard you talk about

976
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: it a little bit and kind of go through the process,

977
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: the recovery. But in that moment, are you thinking, oh

978
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: my god, this is what happened to Anderson.

979
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: First thing, that's literally what went through my mind is

980
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: well really so, I mean the long story, well I

981
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 2: won't make it that long, but so I never really

982
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: did calfkicks before. You know, that wasn't a thing. Right

983
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: when we were fighting, and then Anthony Smith came down

984
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: to sparrow me. He was getting ready to find the

985
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: same card and I can't kicked him in practice, and

986
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: he went down. I'm like, bro, that was crazy. One

987
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: kick he's going he went down. He said his calf

988
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: was happening to be sore. Like, so I go into

989
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: that your Ryahule fight. We're circling seventeen seconds in. I'm

990
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: just like, I'm gonna kick his calf as hard as

991
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: I can see, Yeah, And I kicked as hard as

992
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: I could I kick. I remember the sounds and the

993
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: sound to me was like, holy shit, that was a

994
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: hard kick. Like, there's no way he's not feeling that

995
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: right now. And as I put my leg back, I'm

996
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: looking him the eyes. I'm like, I know you got

997
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: a poker face on right now. I know that hurt,

998
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: and then next thing. No, I don't remember really falling,

999
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: but I've seen the videos. I remember looking at my

1000
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: leg and on the floor, and I the first thing

1001
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: was like confusion, like what the fuck? How was this

1002
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: my leg? The only time I've ever seen that was

1003
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: Anderson's leg, right, I was in there for that. How

1004
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 2: the hell is this my fucking leg there right now?

1005
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: And then I remember I remember him being so much pain,

1006
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: and now I had no adrenaline. It was seventeen seconds

1007
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: and I wasn't even sweating at so it was like,

1008
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: we walk outside right now and just kick a pole

1009
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: as hard as you can, snap your leg and half

1010
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: your bones go through your cap muscles and out your

1011
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: skin like that's It was the worst pain I could

1012
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: ever I can't explain how terrible it was. And I

1013
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: was just please give me pay medication, please, screaming and yelling.

1014
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: I was a little bach, you know, and it was.

1015
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: It was completely awful, and I didn't know. Yeah, I

1016
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I could not believe that was my leg.

1017
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: I still can't believe it. How weird, how crazy.

1018
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't look I literally could not look at it.

1019
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: If you watched the broadcast. I saw it happen and

1020
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: I was asking Joe and John like, I was like,

1021
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: is it bad? And they were like, it's really bad.

1022
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: And it also happens to be the only compound fras

1023
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: because the bone came out. So when I seen that,

1024
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: because they didn't show that on the UFC replays there

1025
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: only I think monster energy only they have this as

1026
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: I saw ale. Yeah, they have an angle where you

1027
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,280
Speaker 2: could see the bones and the bone like tibia or fibula,

1028
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: bones flopping coming out and spiking through like knives. It's

1029
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: pretty nasty and all the blood and everything. The UFC

1030
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: didn't capture that, but I seen that. And when I

1031
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: seen that, and then the doctor's like he can't feel

1032
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: a pulse. He couldn't feel a pulse in my ankle,

1033
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: and that means like you know, you're gonna you don't

1034
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: have blood supply down there, so now you know Auto,

1035
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: they started thinking like am like, am I LI going

1036
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: to be all right?

1037
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: You know?

1038
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: I was just losing my mind.

1039
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: It was.

1040
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: It was a complete nightmare.

1041
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: How hard was that for the family in the back

1042
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: O your wife and your parents like to see that,

1043
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: Like his sport has done so much positively, but to

1044
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: see that, how was that when they got you back

1045
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: through the curtain.

1046
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: So they were trying to rush me out because they

1047
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: were worried about possibly losing my leg, and so I just, uh,

1048
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't leave without my wife. So I was screaming,

1049
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 2: that's you know, my wife's name, like, I'm not leaving

1050
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: until my wife gets here. So she they ended up

1051
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: finding her way down and they got into the ambulance

1052
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: and yeah, got to the hospital. They put me on

1053
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: all the pain medication they could, and they couldn't. The

1054
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: surgeon wasn't coming until the next morning, so now you

1055
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: have the whole night. So they were just pumping me

1056
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: full of morphine and it just wasn't enough. And then

1057
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: they ended up putting me asleep to put the bones

1058
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: back in so they to clean it up hopefully, you know,

1059
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: deal with any possible infections, put the bones back in,

1060
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: and then they wake me up and the pain was

1061
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: just brutal. I was screaming all night until I remember

1062
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 2: Dana came. Dana comes in, which is really nice of them.

1063
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: And I've never asked Dana for anything. Yeah I'm not.

1064
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 2: You know, the guy gets asked for everything. You know

1065
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: as a champion. I never asked him for anything. I

1066
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: asked them for some extra money, so I was pretty

1067
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: I was pretty timid with that too, but I just

1068
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: was like, Dana, please just make sure I have a

1069
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: good doctor. You know. I want to be able to

1070
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: walk again and play with my kids. My biggest thing.

1071
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: I could cry thing about it. I'm not going to

1072
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: cry though. What I just wanted to be able to

1073
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: play with my kids again and be able to walk

1074
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 2: and do things like that. And that's kind of where

1075
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: my mind was at that point on that night. On

1076
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: that night, and even like weeks and weeks after and

1077
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: weeks after that was that was really it. I wanted

1078
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: to just be able to like do that.

1079
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: Life can change very quickly, yeah, right, and we do

1080
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: this job that we love so much. And it was

1081
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: hard to watch that. But was even harder was watching

1082
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: you go through the recovery of it. And I remember

1083
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: in the beginning, like we would call you and we

1084
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: would I would talk to you on FaceTime at times,

1085
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: and you just sit on this couch, right, You're just

1086
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: kind of sitting on this couch and life is happening

1087
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: around you, right, Because I'm pretty sure your kids are

1088
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: still doing athletics and everybody's doing things, but you can't

1089
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: really participate in way that you normally do when you

1090
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: were in the process or in the midst of recovery.

1091
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: Was it harder mentally or physically, because for me, I

1092
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: think mentally I'd probably have a harder time dealing with

1093
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: not being able to go to CJ's practices, not being

1094
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: able to go watch your daughter in gymnastics. Are you

1095
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: know it'd be hard.

1096
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: It was physically it was the hardest thing I ever

1097
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: been through, for sure. I mean the pain, the pain

1098
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: if any time I had to go get from laying

1099
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 2: down to having to go to the bathroom was was

1100
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: one of the hardest things you could ever imagine. The

1101
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: pain of the blood rushing down to that leg, you

1102
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: know now, like because the bones came out and through

1103
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: every and everything, the nerves were all damaged, so like

1104
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: the nerve pain that I would have and the like

1105
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: you know, it was it was it was just crazy,

1106
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: like nobody should have to feel that type of pain.

1107
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: It was awful. So pain was very bad for a

1108
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 2: very long time. And my prayer was just like I

1109
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: just need to be a bearable type of pain. But

1110
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: I was. You know, I'm pretty like optimistic, and you

1111
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: know I was, you know, but it was it was

1112
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: tough met it was. Yeah, just to answer your question,

1113
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: it was tough mentally as as well as physically.

1114
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: Did you think you were going to come back?

1115
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking about like, I wasn't thinking about that

1116
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: for a long time. And then at some point it

1117
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: started kind of becoming a thing in my head where like,

1118
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: I need to come back. I need to show that

1119
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 2: I could come back from this, not just for me,

1120
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: but to my kids and everybody else.

1121
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: And when you did come back, you said, I'm gonna

1122
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: throw a leg kick. It'll be the first thing I do. Yeah, well,

1123
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 1: then you couldn't get yourself to do it.

1124
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's crazy.

1125
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: And you took a whole bunch of lake kicks.

1126
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: Damn Brad, the virus man. I thought he was a

1127
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: good guy. Calf kicked the crap out of me the

1128
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: whole He broke my other leg. Really yeah, he actually

1129
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: fractured my tippy on this side, my hairline fractured, not

1130
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: fully fractured, but kicking both my legs and you know,

1131
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: for me my defense if someone kicks me, we kicked

1132
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: right back you know, you're make him pay for that kick.

1133
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: And he kicked me the first time, and I was

1134
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 2: thinking I was gonna be able to throw it and

1135
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: I just could not throw it. I threw it one

1136
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: time in that fight, maybe like second round, and it

1137
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: was like you could see if you watch it, like

1138
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: I was trying to do it, but I wasn't throwing

1139
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: it hard. It was just like, like I did it.

1140
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to say I did it, but I couldn't.

1141
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: It was it was crazy. I couldn't. I couldn't. My

1142
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: body want to do it.

1143
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: You could tell that there was a hesitancy to do that.

1144
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: But then the following fighting is Bruno Silva. All you

1145
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: did was kick. What switched?

1146
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I just was I

1147
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: needed to get that monkey off my back, you know,

1148
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: I needed to be able to kick again. You know,

1149
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 2: show I could do it.

1150
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: You go into the next fight and you obviously losing.

1151
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: You walk away. You have this idea that you're going

1152
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: to box or do something different. The GFL thing comes up,

1153
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out. You still haven't gotten any like

1154
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: of those boxing things that you talked about prior. Is

1155
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: that still something you want to do because generally you

1156
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: still work for the UFC. Right, I'm pretty sure you

1157
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: could have stayed in the UFC. I don't know where

1158
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna cut you are? Did you ask?

1159
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: I think there were pretty much. I think they were

1160
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: pretty much done with me. I think I could have

1161
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: probably got one more fight if I really wanted to,

1162
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: I could have pushed for it. But you know, I

1163
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: was was it forty one? I was forty one? I

1164
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 2: think when it was Yeah, it was this year. Geez, Yeah,

1165
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: it was like forty forty one. I guess it was

1166
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 2: my brother's jew and so it was right before that.

1167
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 2: Are they are? Think? Am I? Who am I going against?

1168
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: What am I doing?

1169
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: You know? Like?

1170
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: Who am I fighting to beat? And for what reason?

1171
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 2: You know? It made? It made no sense?

1172
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: So are you done? Because you signed up for the GFL? Right,

1173
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: the game doesn't generally let us choose when we're done.

1174
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: It says to us, we don't really have a need

1175
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: for you anymore. Yeah, are you done, Chris? Or like,

1176
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: do you used to have a desire to? I am?

1177
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm done with MMA. My knees just can't bend anymore

1178
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: like they used to. I can't be in those type

1179
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 2: of scrambles jiu jitsu wise, I'll do some jiu jitsu

1180
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: tournaments and stuff like that, and like boxing match against

1181
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: you know, a big name history that I have, you know,

1182
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: somebody I have history with older guys, you know, like myself. Yeah,

1183
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: I like boxing. I wouldn't mind doing like a pro

1184
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: boxing match. I'm staying in shape. I'm working out, as

1185
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 2: you know, at least five times a week. I told

1186
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: you every day, but it's more like five times a week,

1187
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, I'm staying healthy and we'll see,

1188
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 2: we'll see if something comes.

1189
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, on this journey, we never do it alone. Right,

1190
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 1: from the early parts of your life, your brother, your father,

1191
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: your mother supporting you constantly. You know, your dad, it

1192
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: became a mean celebrity because he supports you. Essentially in

1193
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: that moment, he was being a cheerleader. She's still my kid, right,

1194
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: I love my boy. There's nothing in the world that

1195
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: would have changed at but your family, right, your wife,

1196
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: MARIVI son CJ. Colton was a little different, right, that

1197
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: was a little tougher, and Cassidy, your daughter. They've been

1198
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: a huge part of your journey. What what have what

1199
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: if they meant to you. And how important is to

1200
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: have that support system from I mean, they've walked Ito,

1201
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: he's walked into the octagon and everything. That'd be a

1202
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: special moment like to have those things happen for you.

1203
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's the best thing ever. You try to

1204
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: make me cry. I know what you're don't This must

1205
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: be the end of the interview. Get me to cry. Yeah. No,

1206
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: it means that they mean everything in the world to me.

1207
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: You know, without having their support, I wouldn't have been

1208
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: able to do anything. My wife has been the backbone

1209
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: of the family, but of me, you know, my entire career.

1210
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: She's she's been there having my bag from through through

1211
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 2: some crappy times, you know, tons of ups and downs,

1212
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: and she's always stood by my side. So she's a

1213
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: real one, you know. And and my kids, you know,

1214
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: they're everything to me. We just and we got I

1215
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: have a new kid now. I adopted this baby girl, Savannah.

1216
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: She's the most amazing thing ever. Love her to death.

1217
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 2: She's been such a blessing. Yeah. So my family's everything.

1218
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: I mean for me, My legacy is my family. You

1219
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: know what I could pass down to them When I

1220
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: think of fighting legacy at the end of the day,

1221
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: all that disappears, you know, whether it's ten years, twenty years.

1222
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: You know, I could see I haven't fought since I

1223
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: was a champion, being relevant. You know, it's slowly it

1224
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 2: goes away, and at the end of the day, that

1225
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: can't be your main motivation because it is going to

1226
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: go away at some point, you know, and even after

1227
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: we're gone, you know, how long are people going to

1228
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: know you? You know, it's probably not as long as

1229
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: anybody you know wants to think about. You know, how

1230
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: many presidents do you know?

1231
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, you're right, Yeah, you know, it's just and

1232
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: they're the most important people in the country.

1233
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I feel like it's more about the

1234
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: impression and the role model you could be for the

1235
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: people around you, your family, and how they go through

1236
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: life and pass that on, you know, moving forward for

1237
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: themselves as well as.

1238
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: Your family taught you about being more resilient, and have

1239
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: they taught you more about fighting just in life in general,

1240
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: because now you're fighting with a team. It's still a team, right,

1241
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: but there's as much as you might love very longer

1242
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: than those guys, right, it's a different love when you

1243
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: fight for that team and when you watch your boys

1244
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: compete or your daughter compete, like the nerves, the fear,

1245
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: Like how much have they taught you in that regard, right,

1246
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: going from the athlete to now the support system.

1247
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's what I learned from them, especially at their ages,

1248
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: is it's all about the love of the game, you know,

1249
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 2: just going out there and having fun. Really, as a fighter,

1250
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: that's what you want to feel like when you're in

1251
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: the octagon, you know, you want to feel like you're

1252
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 2: just having fun. And yeah, so I learned a lot

1253
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 2: from them. And I also, you know, want to practice

1254
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: what I preach, you know, I try to, you know,

1255
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: give them some of my the things. That's that's helped

1256
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 2: me mentally over the years.

1257
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: So watching your kids compete, right, and they'll ce j

1258
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: Russell's football, what does Colton do?

1259
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: Baseball too? And and wrestling and football?

1260
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: All your kids do. Something you told me. You told

1261
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: me that in order for you to be as good

1262
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: as you were, you had to be the hardest person

1263
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: in the group. You also told me that you don't

1264
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: want to be the one that's overbearing and pushing, but

1265
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: you recognize that they have to be the hardest worker

1266
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: in the room. Are they the hardest workers in the room.

1267
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: And if they aren't, when do you step in and go, hey,

1268
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: remember my story.

1269
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting there. CJ's thirteen now, so he's gonna

1270
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: get He's getting to the point here. Over the next

1271
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: couple he's starting to matter where it's going to start mattering.

1272
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: I will say he's a very hard worker when he's

1273
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: in that room. He is a very hard worker. I'm

1274
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: proud of him. He works really hard. Yeah, Colton is

1275
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 2: a little knuckle at. He's so talented, he is. He'll

1276
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: grind it out, but he's he needs to learn. He's

1277
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: young and he's ten. And Cassie's little, she's a savage.

1278
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: She works hard too, she's a really hard worker.

1279
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: So you're proud.

1280
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm proud. I'm proud of all my kids. They're

1281
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: they're amazing in old different ways.

1282
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: So it seems like the perfect family core right. You

1283
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: have the mom, you have the dad, you have the

1284
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: three kids, two boys and a daughter. It's ideal. But

1285
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Speaker 1: then you do adopt Savannah. Yeah, we went to that decision.

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Speaker 1: I remember at the Apex, you guys were gonna have

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Speaker 1: the baby, and you're all fired up. You're like, I

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Speaker 1: got to do the show, and I gotta get going, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I have to go get my I have to

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Speaker 1: go meet my daughter. Yeah, we went to that decision.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, my wife I was good. I was I'm just

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Speaker 2: go with the flow type of guy. Obviously, I always

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Speaker 2: wanted kids, but we were young when we had at first,

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Speaker 2: and then you know, I was good with one. Then

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01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: I was good with two. I was good with three,

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Speaker 2: and I was definitely I thought we were good. We had,

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Speaker 2: you know, two boys and a girl. Kids were kids,

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Speaker 2: are doing great. But my wife, she we had some

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Speaker 2: she had complications, some serious complications in like twenty eighteen

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: and nineteen when we were trying to have another kid,

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01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 2: and we ended up, you know kind of we ended

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01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: up moving to South Carolina. They think slowed down, we

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01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: got busy, and I thought we were good. But my

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: wife she wanted one more and she had she really

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01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: felt that she had a calling, you know, to adopt.

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01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: And I I was like, man, that's a lot. But

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01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, who's had a kid that they ever ever,

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Speaker 2: they've ever regretted. So I couldn't say I couldn't say no.

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01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: And I wasn't sure how it was what it was

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Speaker 2: going to be like, but man, I can't believe how

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Speaker 2: much I love this kid. When my kids were really young,

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01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, I was so obsessed with becoming a world champion.

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01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: I was I was not around mentally like I am

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Speaker 2: right now with this baby. I'm obsessed with this little girl.

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Speaker 2: She's so cute. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Has it changed life daily? Every day? Has it just

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Speaker 1: made your life better?

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Speaker 2: Every single she she when I come home and she's

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01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: immediately she's smiling at me. She's got the best smile.

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Speaker 2: She brands up my day every moment of the day.

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Speaker 1: She needed to get through to about five or six

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Speaker 1: years old. Way, they just idolized, Oh, it's the best,

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01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: it's the best time. And then they go like the

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01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: rest of these guys were like, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Gonna lay in my room and there on their phone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's uh, it's crazy, man, It's very crazy.

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Speaker 2: So fast it goes, I gotta really do.

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Speaker 1: It goes so fast, Chris. I always try to ask

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Speaker 1: people this question when they're done sitting with me. I

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Speaker 1: know you say that your children are your legacy, But

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Speaker 1: to your daughter, your new baby, your three children that

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Speaker 1: are older, what do you want them to remember about you?

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Speaker 1: Right from the adversity from the ups, the downs, the

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Speaker 1: hardships from seeing their dad stuck on a couch, like

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Speaker 1: what do you want them to take and applying to

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Speaker 1: their lives and how do you want the general fan

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Speaker 1: that watch Chris Widman in his heyday become the world

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Speaker 1: champion to remember about.

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Speaker 2: You for my kids. I mean, there's a lot of

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: lot of things that you want to pass on to

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Speaker 2: your kids. But with this, I would say, you know,

1342
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: adversaries coming for you for you all, and just don't

1343
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 2: give up, stay positive and uh and push through, you know,

1344
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 2: because that's why injuries are like almost a blessing in disguise,

1345
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 2: because it's it's just draw as powerless to everybody's life.

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01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: Everybody has adversities that they have to go through constantly.

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01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: And when life is going good, at some point, something's

1348
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: gonna happen where you know, you get a curve ball

1349
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 2: in some adversity heads and you gotta you know, take

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Speaker 2: it as a take it as like a learning experience

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01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: and find like the silver linings in all the and

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Speaker 2: all the tough times.

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Speaker 1: You like living in South Carolina, Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Chris, I like it, man, It's really nice. It's very

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Speaker 2: chill people are very nice. No honking food's not bad,

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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, it's a great place to raise

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Speaker 2: a family. My family's living a great life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And from all that, right Hallstra High School wrestling,

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Speaker 1: knocking out Anderson Silva, coming to world champion, coming back

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: from that adversity, when you look back with the thing

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Speaker 1: that you're most proud of, is it your your shining moment,

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01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: you winning that NC double a title, that championship by

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Speaker 1: knocking on Anderson or is it you getting up off

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Speaker 1: the couch and showing that even in your darkest moment,

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Speaker 1: you're able to overcome and put yourself back in a

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Speaker 1: position that you are today.

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Speaker 2: I think I'd be lying if it wasn't if I

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01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: didn't say, uh, you know, winning the world championship, you know,

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01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,919
Speaker 2: that was just that was the goal that I set

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Speaker 2: for myself and I accomplished it. So and lucky for

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Speaker 2: me it happened to be Andison Sila, who was, you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest of all time and the greatest

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Speaker 2: of all time at that time, you know, so it

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Speaker 2: was a good opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You've had a good career, my friend, and you did

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Speaker 1: a good job. And when you're doing a great job

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Speaker 1: on television also, so it's it's awesome guys. Let's thanks

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Speaker 1: Chris Wyman for joining us. This guy is truly inspirational,

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01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: like I said in the beginning, and he's a person

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01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: that has given us all to the sport and he

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Speaker 1: continues to do this now behind a podcast desk, and

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Speaker 1: I think that he has a massive future in this

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Speaker 1: field as he did in the field where he became

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Speaker 1: a world champion. So Chris, thank you for joining me man.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, guys, Chris Widman, I'm Daniel Cormier. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in to the Daniel Cormier Show. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you on the next one.