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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Do How is a bit Dutton a favorite person?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing here?

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you. Do you know what's ridiculous? Yes,

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Speaker 2: because you do?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, you want to share with the bro,

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Speaker 2: all right?

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Speaker 3: So sometimes I like to list off things I like. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so candles. I've talked about how much I like candles.

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Speaker 2: Do you like candles?

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Speaker 3: I do like sunscreen. I try and wear it, yes,

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Speaker 3: just burn easily.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you like sunscreen. You also like sunsets.

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Speaker 3: I do like sunset Sunset magazine, Sunset magazine as my lifestyle.

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Speaker 3: The other thing I like tennis. Oh yeah, I haven't

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Speaker 3: played in some time, but I used to play a

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Speaker 3: lot when I was younger. I could see that I

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Speaker 3: was very competitive. Yes, played all the time. Prince is

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Speaker 3: a tennis company. They make tennis probable.

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Speaker 2: Oh not Prince the musician. No, that would have been

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Speaker 2: really confusing. For the one second there I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: I was picturing Prince like wrapping handles like welcome to

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Speaker 2: my shot, baby, here you go, get you got like

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Speaker 2: a purple tennis racketers a whole time.

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Speaker 3: I actually had for a time, I had a Prince

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Speaker 3: racket that was purple.

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Speaker 2: There you go. You see my confusion, and so you know.

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Speaker 3: But so Prince makes rackets, they make they make tennis balls.

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Speaker 2: Tennis ball isn't familiar with them.

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Speaker 3: And then there's this other company called Vacation.

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Speaker 2: There's a company called Vacation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they make what they call is America's best

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Speaker 3: smelling sunscreen.

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Speaker 2: They seem like a scam. I'm just going to say,

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Speaker 2: if you're one hundred business is called Vacation, Like, what

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Speaker 2: are you hiding?

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Speaker 3: One hundreds percent?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 3: Go on, So they make they make sunscreen, and they've

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Speaker 3: teamed up with Prince to tennis company, yes, yeah, to

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Speaker 3: sell something called ball Boy.

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Speaker 2: I knew it.

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Speaker 3: Go on, ball Boy. It's a scented candle. Oh wow,

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Speaker 3: called ball Boy.

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Speaker 2: A scented candle named ball called ball by.

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Speaker 3: A luxury scented candle. Commemorating the historic moment when Prince

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Speaker 3: and Vacation employees at the seventh Annual Interoffice Tennis Championships

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Speaker 3: stumbled upon an insight that would change the trajectory of

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Speaker 3: the Vacation Sunscreen Company forever.

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Speaker 2: This is a crazy paragraph.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go on, it's premium. Soy blend wax. It's vegan

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Speaker 3: and cruelty free percent cotton wick and generously tall glassware

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Speaker 3: as they say fancy, but do you want to hear

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Speaker 3: the fragrance notes.

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Speaker 2: I'm waiting for it.

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Speaker 3: Freshly uncanned tennis balls, which smell very distinct like.

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Speaker 2: Car smell, that is specific.

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Speaker 3: Crack, Oh my god, that's like one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 3: Vacation sunscreen, which I don't know what that smells like,

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Speaker 3: but who knows. Uh, Prince cotton sweat bands, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: would hope doesn't really smell like anything.

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Speaker 2: But yeah that once again, like not really as.

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Speaker 3: This is the one that makes me want to punch

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Speaker 3: my face, like punch at my eye sockets. Court side

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Speaker 3: cucumber sandwiches what like what.

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Speaker 2: In every syllable got weirder? How was it? Courtside cucumber what?

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, I'm like irrationally.

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Speaker 2: Then get backwards it up and I was like, wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, there's such a thing as a cucumber sandwich.

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Speaker 3: Cucumber sandwich inside cucumber sandwich. How you know this is

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Speaker 3: some weird Yeah? Okay, so sandwiches, sweat bands, sunscreen, and

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Speaker 2: That's what that's what a tennis that's what a ball

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Speaker 3: Apparently that's that's basically what my summer is at the

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Speaker 3: age of twelve, smelled ball boys.

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Speaker 2: I called this, Elizabeth Dutton.

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Speaker 3: That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That is ridiculous. I got one for you. If you

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Speaker 2: got a second, please, here's it. Back down. This one

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Speaker 2: is you're ready. It's just a I got a it's

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Speaker 2: a six words okay, cobra venom as a business plan.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one ridiculous. You damn right, Okay, ridiculous Elizabeth Saren

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Speaker 2: got a question for you. Sure you know I'm definitely

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Speaker 2: afraid of snakes.

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Speaker 3: I do you've told me about that?

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Speaker 2: Yes? If I ever tell you about the time I

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Speaker 2: walked out into the sky to get away from a snake. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So I have I have his buddy, Jeff. Let's just

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Speaker 2: take me a second and trust me. This is connected

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Speaker 2: Today's crime very intimately. But I have this buddy Jeff.

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Speaker 2: He's a bass player and you know how they are, right,

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Speaker 2: He's a he's a total bass player. By that I

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Speaker 2: mean mostly chill, very solid guy, right, but also totally

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Speaker 2: weird sense of humor. True, so base player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so one time I'm visiting him. This was

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Speaker 2: you want to go up to on the roof to

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Speaker 2: uh enjoy the night air. And we go up there.

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Speaker 2: We're enjoying the night air, and uh, you have to

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Speaker 2: keep in mind to get to his roof, you take

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Speaker 2: a stairway. You don't go like, what are the fires

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Speaker 2: Roof on a roof.

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Speaker 3: So you guys were like Willie Nelson and Jimmy Carter's son, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Up on the roof having a moment, white house style

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Speaker 2: and we're on a roof on a roof, Okay, So

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Speaker 2: we go up there and to get this better view

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Speaker 2: And as soon as I'm up there, I see this

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Speaker 2: it's nighttimes, I can't exactly see what it is, but

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Speaker 2: what I'm looking at is a coiled up snake. So

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Speaker 2: I it is a thick, long daddy of a snake. Elizabeth, Right,

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Speaker 2: So I freak out, and me being me, what do

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Speaker 2: So no, I didn't jump. I just stepped out. I

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about today. Snakes.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: I've done that.

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Speaker 3: I've been the one pulling the prank. You pulled the prank, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But did you almost kill your friend too? I did.

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Speaker 3: It was my neighbor and he was deathly afraid of snakes,

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Speaker 3: So I got a big stock pot and I put

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Speaker 2: Yes, is what we do. Abady ran through a door

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Speaker 2: But okay, well I accept your The thing about it

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Speaker 2: looking for a stick. That's all My thoughts are. Fine,

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Speaker 2: stick hit snake. Yeah, it is really embarrassing anyway, Snake crimes,

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Speaker 2: cobra venom. That's what I wanted to talk to you

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Speaker 3: This is brave of you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Ever been to a reptile show?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Do you know that I've been to like a

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Speaker 2: Like a like a repticon reptile show like traveling rate. Okay,

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Speaker 2: of course, do you know that I once to my

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Speaker 2: irrational snake phobia and I went to the world's largest

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Speaker 2: reptile show. What yeah, ye, with no therapy plan, no

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Speaker 2: one there to hold my hand. I just went in,

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Speaker 2: no gun, nothing for what.

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Speaker 3: Like I swaze your anxiety. I'm still irrationally free to snakes.

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Speaker 2: No, I was. It was for a story for journalism. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you go down there, and I did it all right,

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Speaker 2: So how do you think it went?

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Speaker 3: Not good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, about as well as you can imagine. No, Personally,

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Speaker 2: I considered it a wild success because one, I did

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Speaker 2: I noticed there was like an identifiable crowd when I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. So at the reptile the shows, they

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so into this mix enter my boy David Snedden. Snedden, Sneddin,

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Speaker 2: Yes exactly, but Repticon rolled on, like mask up and

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Speaker 2: So he's there pushing product, some of it legal, some

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Speaker 3: It's completely made of that's amazing part of it.

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Speaker 2: So this said, he gets to talk him with a

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Speaker 3: Wait, so the Mohabbi sidewinders? Are those illegal?

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Speaker 2: They're poisonous. It's a rattlesnake.

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Speaker 3: You can't buy a rattle you can, they won't just sell, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, there's a couple of reasons. One there's the Lacy

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you can't buy this. But most likely right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I'll tell you all about South Carolina in

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Speaker 2: all the like bright colorful banners and booths and stalls

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Speaker 2: Like how do I, you know, contact them to set

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Speaker 2: So he tells him, like, you know what I like

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Speaker 2: to South Carolina. Right. So it turns out the person

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Speaker 2: that he met a repticon undercover Fish and Wildlife informant.

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Speaker 3: That is amazing. That's an amazing gig.

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Speaker 2: Right, I figured you'd love that. How do you go

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Speaker 3: I've been under too long man, exactly.

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Speaker 2: He's getting to me. Man, it's all snakes and lizards, man. Monster.

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Speaker 3: He goes home and he's like a kiddie pool full

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna vomit, all right, So snedd and he tells

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, but that's illegal because to sell it

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Speaker 2: And he's like, if we get caught, it'll be a problem.

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Speaker 2: So he tells the guy on tape, we get caught

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Speaker 3: They do it by weight, it's.

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Speaker 2: By yeah bye, by item. He's like, I would like

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Speaker 2: David Snedden tells them, So the shipment arrived. That's awesome, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm going out on a big snake cunt. So all

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Speaker 3: What would if you're a criminal, always act like when

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Speaker 2: I always assume as the FBI.

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Speaker 3: Always assume.

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Speaker 2: One thing I've learned from an investigating crime. Always assume

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Speaker 3: One thing I've learned from pretending to not watch television.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Well, the guy's like, okay, I'll take a Gila

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Speaker 2: well got it. I'll get you all the super rare

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00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,160
Speaker 2: killer lizards you want. Right. He sends them five boxes

434
00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,159
Speaker 2: of mad poisonous stuff. It takes some eighteen months that

435
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,760
Speaker 2: they're allowing Delta people to handle all these boxes of

436
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,119
Speaker 2: snakes and everything. Right, and this snake trader snedd and

437
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,919
Speaker 2: he knew they told you if if he can get

438
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,960
Speaker 2: to South Carolina, he can get whatever he wants. Like

439
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,399
Speaker 2: he was talking to at one point, he said, you

440
00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,080
Speaker 2: could walk into a pet shop and buy a twelve

441
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,119
Speaker 2: foot king cobra. So there you go. That's where you

442
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,800
Speaker 2: want to buy a poisonous snake. You get stuffed down

443
00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,200
Speaker 2: to South Carolina. They'll sell it to you anyway. Fish

444
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,239
Speaker 2: and wildlife. They come marching through his door one day

445
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,240
Speaker 2: and sneddon knew up my days is selling you ganden

446
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:56,280
Speaker 2: puff adders is done right. All my blue speckled rattlesnake

447
00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,080
Speaker 2: profits are over right. So he gets busted. He pleads

448
00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,119
Speaker 2: guilty to fellon wildlife trafficking, which, by the way, is

449
00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,320
Speaker 2: a huge, multi billion dollar business. To talk about it

450
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,280
Speaker 2: at another time, but anyway, how much prison time do

451
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 2: you think he gets when he gets busted for danger?

452
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:08,560
Speaker 4: Now?

453
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,880
Speaker 2: Okay, well I'll tell you this much for a man

454
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 2: who has been selling rattlesnakes illegally, you would think, okay, well,

455
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,200
Speaker 2: he's got to get some punishment, right. The US attorneys

456
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,879
Speaker 2: they want four months prison sentence. The judge is like,

457
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,679
Speaker 2: it ain't that serious. It said what some cobras and whatnot,

458
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,159
Speaker 2: So they give him five months of home detention. The

459
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,920
Speaker 2: judge is basically like, I want you to go home

460
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,919
Speaker 2: and said on your couch and think about what you've done.

461
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,360
Speaker 2: And then the guy's like, thanks Dad, he andreally said

462
00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 2: when he left the court, I'm happy with it. You

463
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 2: should never have the person. I'm happy with it. So yeah,

464
00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 2: that's David Snedden. And we'll take a little break and

465
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 2: then I will leave Repticon and David Snedden behind and

466
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,439
Speaker 2: I will tell you about the cobra venom guy and

467
00:19:45,520 --> 00:20:07,960
Speaker 2: big reptile. All right, Elizabeth, we're back.

468
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 3: Oh thank god.

469
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 2: So we're not going back to Repticon. We've left that behind.

470
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 2: But I did want to tell you that the U

471
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 2: S attorneys when they when they busted my man, David

472
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,640
Speaker 2: Sneded and I haven't used my man loosely in this case.

473
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,439
Speaker 2: They always they pointed out something I thought was interesting

474
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: and worth saying, which is that quote. It starts out

475
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 2: with liking lizards, it turns into trafficking, and then by

476
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 2: the hundreds or thousands, right, And I think that's really.

477
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 3: Exactly a gateway animally exact, to becoming like a snake

478
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:37,680
Speaker 3: monitor something.

479
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 2: Then also Eric at the end of I don't know,

480
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: like scarface, and you got like a mound of lizards

481
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 2: and you're burying your face and a mount of snakes. Yeah, yeah,

482
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 2: all right, So let's let's talk about where the big

483
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: money is.

484
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,719
Speaker 3: Okay, talk about that biotech.

485
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 2: Baby, That's what my dude would say. So my other dude, Yeah,

486
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 2: Well his name is Rick Deatsch or Ditsch something like that.

487
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Speaker 2: D E I E S H. Deutsch, Ricks Ricky d Yes,

488
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 2: so Rick d Rick D's he not the DJ Rick

489
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,919
Speaker 2: d u Rick. He was a well he made a

490
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: play for big reptile meets Wall Street. That's the best

491
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 2: way to put. Yeah, he was the chairman and CEO

492
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 2: of Neutra Pharma. Now, according to his bio on LinkedIn

493
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: and business website that I could find, he was a

494
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: legit scientist, and he was an educator and kind of

495
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: you know anyway. Well, according to his bio, Rick Deutsch

496
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: quote holds a master's degree in biochemistry and a bachelor's

497
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 2: degree in chemistry, and he has conducted clinical and laboratory

498
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 2: research in collaboration with scientists at Duke University, Medical Senator

499
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: and the Cleveland Clinic. Now, just for me, I think

500
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: you could kind of tell someone's bsing when in the

501
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: first line of their bio it says they worked in

502
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: collaboration with scientists. Didn't sell you what they did, didn't say,

503
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: just it worked in near them. Collaboration near me was

504
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: really cool.

505
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 3: I took some stuff that they published and then I

506
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 3: worked on it.

507
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't even have enough in his bio. Where

508
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: did he get is full sentence out in his bio?

509
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: Where did he get his undergrad and his masters?

510
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked so, According to the second sentence

511
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: of his bio, mister quote, mister Deatsch is the author

512
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: of two books and is an adjunct professor for Florida

513
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 2: Atlantic University's College of Business and Continuing Education Department. And

514
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: he got his degrees. I do not remember. I don't.

515
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 2: I didn't take a note of where he got his

516
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: degree because I'm not as much as you are.

517
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 3: It's better that you don't say it, so I don't

518
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 3: insult people.

519
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so. But those books, by the way, because

520
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 2: I know you know.

521
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: He is self published.

522
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, So the books are are You age Wise?

523
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: A Guide to Healthy Aging? And Invisible Killers The Truth

524
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: about Environmental Genocide. Yeah, both both books are exactly what

525
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 2: they sound like. Yeah, they are books for the Florida crowd. No, No,

526
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: I'm not I have family in Florida. I'm not here

527
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 2: to diss Florida. But I've been there enough to say

528
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 2: that these books would solve Florida. Right, So that's all

529
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying now. I'm also not here to dis self

530
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: publishing authors. I'm not here to diss adjunct professors. I'm

531
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: not even here to It is the Florida Atlantic University's

532
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: College of Business and Continuing Education. True, I think they

533
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 2: all do good stuff. But look, if I'm an angel

534
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: investor and this dude comes to me and I got millions,

535
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm looking to invest with somebody else, not this guy.

536
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. Right Anyway, Rick Dach he seems to

537
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: know this, so he goes like, how do I distinguish

538
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: myself to investors if I want to make this big

539
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: Wall Street money. He's like, I got the answer, Elizabeth.

540
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: Two words this time. Cobra venom. Yes. So his first

541
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: company was called NDA Right. It built itself as a

542
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: biotech startup that quote specialized in the research of peptides

543
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: derived from the cone snail, venom, cobra venom, and the

544
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: Keyla monster venom. So he got really into like venom. Right.

545
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: So then Deets moved on to his next company, Venom

546
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 2: venom and that Neutra Pharma is his second company, so

547
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: he's like, quote, you know, guys, hey, when can we

548
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: talk cobra venom. I'm all about that sweet king cobra milk. Okay,

549
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: that actually isn't a quote, but I just want to

550
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: act like it was. Anyway, this company's implantation Florida, and yeah, right,

551
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: and I'm assuming it's there for text purposes or something

552
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: equally scammy like that. But anyway, Neutral Pharms.

553
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: Is it like a po box?

554
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: No, they actually have like a compasse from what I

555
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: can tell. Anyway, Nutril Farmer, they present themselves as a reasonable,

556
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: legit medical research firm, right, one that coincidentally in two

557
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, quote launch sales of and over the

558
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 2: counter pain reliever that uses asian cobra venom as the

559
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 2: active ingredient. Asian cobra. No, I see you your eyebrow raising.

560
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: You have a little bit of like, I'll give it

561
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: a shot, but I sense the doubt in your voice.

562
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: Try anything, Yeah, exactly.

563
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: Well, their press releases they make it sound kind of

564
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: super science, so you'd be into this, like a quote

565
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 2: Nutri Farmer Corporation a biotechnology company that is developing treatments

566
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: for adreno milow neuropathy, amn A, human ammino deficiency virus HIV,

567
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,959
Speaker 2: multiple sclerosis, MS, and pain announce today that it has

568
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: received approval from the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

569
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: Floren's pattent describing a method of treating and preventing infectious diseases,

570
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 2: including colds, flu viruses, and bacterial parasitic infections using modified

571
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: and detoxified cobra venom and neurotoxins. It cures everything, Elizabeth,

572
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: it does. It all sounds kind of legit until you

573
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: get too modified and detoxified cobra venom. But there's more,

574
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 2: because there's always more, Elizabeth, is uh. The patent quote,

575
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: titled modified and lapid Venoms are As Stimulators of the

576
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: Immune Reaction describes a method for treating and inhibiting infections

577
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: by influenza viruses through the use of subcutaneous, intramuscular, or

578
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 2: intravenous injections of therapeutically effective amounts of detoxified and neurotropically

579
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: active oxidized alpha cobratoxin or alpha cobratoxin protein. That's good job.

580
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh and I don't know about that, but this to

581
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 2: me all sounds like what you'd hear from like some

582
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: kind of like shade tree southern doctor. But David use

583
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 2: a little different terms like I would imagine you'd hear

584
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: it something like, uh, you see, you just take a

585
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: jab of this year cobra venom. You stick it in

586
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: your arm like someone you're just about damn near everything.

587
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 2: Now for the actual science, DC's cobra venom was it

588
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: was not fanged table right, this stuff had to go.

589
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: It was a medical grade cobra venom, Elizabeth, had to

590
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: be processed by scientists and white lab coats and whatnot.

591
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: And I like you imagine, I imagine you, like me,

592
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: would love that this is someone's job. They're out there.

593
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: What do you do on milk code? Baby?

594
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 3: Well, i've seen that. We're like, you know, they what

595
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 3: they call what would they call herpetologists?

596
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 2: You know a lot about this, Well, Elizabeth, I'd like

597
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: you to close your eyes and pictures.

598
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to Elizabeth.

599
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: You are in an air conditioned to room. Oh good,

600
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: door opens. A woman in a white lab coat and

601
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: high heels walks in. She sits down in a chair

602
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: across a table from you. Today is the first a

603
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: at your new job. You're fresh out of grad school,

604
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: still working on your PhD in her patology, but you

605
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: just got your first job at a real lab doing

606
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: real science. Today. You've come in for orientation your new boss,

607
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: doctor Sterngrove. She's a pert, all business, herodabund scientist. She

608
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: flips through some paperwork. She looks over your resume and

609
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: then asks you how you liked UCD. You tell her,

610
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: and then with a very small smile, she welcomes you

611
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: to the company and she thanks you for being early

612
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: for orientation. Doctor Sterngrove asks you what you've been told

613
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: about what you'll be doing at the lab. She says,

614
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: have you ever worked with animals before? And you inform

615
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: her of your time as a pet groomer to the stars.

616
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: You tell her about being a chicken wrangler for the courts,

617
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 2: your time as a gooseherder. You say, in short, yes,

618
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: I love working with animals, Doctor Sterngrove. She seems pleased,

619
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: so she flips through her paperwork again. She looks up

620
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: and asks if you're comfortable working with snakes. Now. This

621
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 2: is the moment when you find out to your new

622
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: job will be milking cobras for their venom. You have questions.

623
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 3: I have tiny fingers.

624
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: Tiny fingers and a couple questions. So doctor Sterngrove says,

625
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: I like to imagine the cobras are like cows, and

626
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 2: you look at her and you ask, oh, so, like

627
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: in the afternoon, they all come back from slithering around

628
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: in the pasture, and just like cows, your cobras all

629
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: get in the line and they wait to enter the

630
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: barn to get milked. That's so sweet. And doctor Sterker goes, no, no, no,

631
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: there's no pasture. What are you talking about. No, we

632
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: definitely don't let her cobras out. You're like, oh, okay, well,

633
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: well I need to bring my own milking stool or

634
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: like will one be supplied for a stupid because I'm

635
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: telling it? Okay, yes, now, doctor sterncros like milking stool.

636
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Doctor? She seems clearly confused,

637
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: because she's like, you're not a stupid girl. What's up

638
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 2: with the act? Is some guy writing this? What's help

639
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: with this? So at some point you say, like how

640
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: far off the ground will these cobras be am? I

641
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: got to get underneath the cobra, Like I imagine it

642
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: hard to milk the snake if it's bellies on the ground,

643
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: is it like a cow's under Are their teets or nipples?

644
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: Do cobras have nipples? Now, I don't even know you

645
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: tie your shoes, So doctor Sternrove, she's just staring at

646
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: you because, like you, she's just disappointed. So you continue, like,

647
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: can I ask you a question? Doctor stern GroE said, yes, please,

648
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: When you're milking these snakes, do the crob is like,

649
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: do they like it if you sing to them? Because

650
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: the cows like it when you sing to them. She's like, Okay,

651
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: She's lost her patience at this point. She just says,

652
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: it's not like milking cows. Forget I said anything about cows.

653
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: Now you're like, well, but it's not like milking cows.

654
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not sure if I want this job.

655
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: And then you get up and you walk out and

656
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: you leave. Obviously you know this as well as I

657
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: probably better. Apparently, milking cobras and milking cows are not

658
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: good analogs, because do you know how you milk a cobra?

659
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: I've seen I've seen footage of it. I don't really

660
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with snakes at all, but

661
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: I don't like them.

662
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: You watch videos about them, dude.

663
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: I'll watch any video. Yeah, but like there's it looks

664
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: like there's am I stepping on. There's like a like

665
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 3: a beaker, and then there's some sort of like membrane

666
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: over the top. Remember they bite into it.

667
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: I could use like a hammer, like you just put that.

668
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: You swing the hand and the head onto it. They

669
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: trick it into biting the rubber membrane and.

670
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: Then you know, like they're like barf it up and it.

671
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: Drips it right off the end of the fang a little.

672
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: Dress to squeeze at the bottom and then run his

673
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: tight hand up until.

674
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 2: Like he's pulling water out of a tower. Yep, just

675
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: like that. They actually have these two bars you can

676
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: use to squeeze the snake.

677
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: And then there's the like snake venom Somalia who like

678
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: takes it and smells it.

679
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. They swirl and they go, perfect, this is good.

680
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: You can smell the rustines.

681
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: And he like dabs some and then rubs on of

682
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: his gums.

683
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: Yes, you see, this is why you should.

684
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: Have kept I watched a lot of videos, so.

685
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: That's exactly how. And then apparently somebody in white lab coats.

686
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: They throw it in like an autoclave, they spin it

687
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: around or something. They do a TWI yeah, and then

688
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: all of a sudden the constituent parts pop out and

689
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, look, detoxified cobra proteins. So, as Rick

690
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: Ditsch explains, if you'd like some more science, and I

691
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: know you love the science, so here you go.

692
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: You're someone who failed CAM one in college, I love it.

693
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: Well, here it's a bunch of polysyllamic nonsense for you.

694
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: Rick Disch explains his technique as it's a single modified

695
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: peptide called alpha cobra toxin, which is a major component

696
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: of the venom. In most cobras venom, it binds to

697
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: the nicotinic acetocholine receptor, a primary receptor found throughout the

698
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: center nervous system and on the surface of white blood cells.

699
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: We modify the cobra toxins that it binds to only

700
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: the alpha SEB seven subtype of the nicotinic acidacholine receptors,

701
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: where it blocks inflammation by modulating white blood cells reactions

702
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: to immune response.

703
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: Now I have to ask you something, Yes, did we

704
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 3: need that?

705
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: Yes? Because that all boils down to the active ingredients

706
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: and cover venom stimulated an immune response in your body. Okay,

707
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: so basically it's like saying like I hate you, you swell.

708
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: If I seeing you with a cover, your body goes

709
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 2: what the hell and ain't react. Yeah, that's a lot

710
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: of science. You did not need to say all that.

711
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: That's my point. But he gets to it eventually, says,

712
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: you get into more science and stuff. He says, this

713
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: triggers the release of gamma interferon right now. Gamma interferon,

714
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: it regulates immune response. And that's the whole point of

715
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: this is when the vcs go, oh, that sounds like

716
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: some money. Science sounds that sounds like biotech, that sounds

717
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: like next big thing, and they get all excited. Right,

718
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: And if you're a dude like Rick Datch, you know this.

719
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: You start humping that PR machine and working it like

720
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: a money maker. And to a man like Greek diets

721
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: that that's exactly what the PR machine was. It's his

722
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: money maker. He has nothing really other than hype. So

723
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: he starts working press releases, and I'm talking working press releases.

724
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: He goes out there and he's like recently Neutral Pharma

725
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: through its drug discovery subsidiary Recepto Farm introduced his novel

726
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: anti viral therapy Peptone, at the International AIDS Conference in Vienna, Austria.

727
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: Peptone is based on the company's leading drug candidate, used

728
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 2: modifying cobra tsin. Now he acts like he's there and

729
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: like the AIDS conferences, like please come here and present it.

730
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: All he could have done is just stood outside, yod,

731
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: We've got peptone.

732
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: So he just went there.

733
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: He didn't think he uses the language. But it's always

734
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: like I worked in a lab with these guys. I

735
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,959
Speaker 2: you know, we recently were unveiling.

736
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: Anyway, these kind of charlatans and people who are in

737
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: love with half truths and such have made it like

738
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: there's so much more work we have to do parsing

739
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: language to figure out what the real thing. Yes, it

740
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: makes it so difficult, like resumes, people go like, oh yeah.

741
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: Well, it's like just say the thing that's me. But whatever,

742
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: I understand, you've got a sweet talk some stuff. I'm

743
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: not saying, like don't massage your stuff, but they at

744
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: least keep some truth in there. They should be standing

745
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: on something otherwise you're gonna be like me standing in

746
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: the air. So my favorite line from his press release

747
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: was the quote, the company markets several drug products for

748
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: sale for the treatment of pain under the brands of

749
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: Cobroxin and Nyloxi. Right, Cobroxin sounds like a drug that

750
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: Cobra commander came up here, right, It's like, honestly, it's like, oh,

751
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,959
Speaker 2: we got g I Joe has to stop this. This

752
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: is an eighties cartoon drug.

753
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: They got all the kids hooked on Cora.

754
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's good mind control, man. I just

755
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: got to listen to the rock music can.

756
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: Take exactly whether you're joining him soon the band of

757
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 3: Vipers playing their tombs knew and where's the takeover your dreams?

758
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is amazing.

759
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: I can't stop.

760
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: No, please keep going. How much have slither? Do you

761
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: really know it? Oh? That was very IMPROSSI So, setting

762
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: aside that amazing feet, so Teach's company, Neutral Pharma, he

763
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: starts looking for and by marks I made investors. Yeah,

764
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: he gets of this local outlet to run a story

765
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: on his cobrox and cobra venom miracle. So NBC Miami,

766
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: who runs a story with the title South Florida company

767
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: turns cobra Venom into healing treatment. Now, you know in

768
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: South Florida they care a lot about healing. All of

769
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: Florida they care about healing treatments. Like I said, it's

770
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 2: an old or I didn't say earlier, but I inferred

771
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: it's an aging population and they care about things. This

772
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: is clickbait for a state with the aging population. Yeah,

773
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying, right, And oh boy, Liza, but

774
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: this NBC Miami story, it is so good. I mean

775
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: from the jump from first line, you ready for this? Yes,

776
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: when you think about cobra venom, eventual death comes to month.

777
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 3: That's sentence one node.

778
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: Then they get past that pearl of a lead and

779
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: they go for the intellectual complication. A South Florida company

780
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: is changing the perception of the deadly venom. Like wait,

781
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: what Like this is one hell of a company that

782
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: can make me rethink cobra venom my company. Maybe cobra

783
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: Venom's good, maybe death is good. Like what's going going

784
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: on here?

785
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 3: I've been doing a lot of editing of other people's

786
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: work this week, and I'm like hit my limit and

787
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 3: this is yeah, who wrote this?

788
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: I've we all been sleeping on cobra venom. I think

789
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: that's so enter my dude, Tom Crutchfeld, star of this story,

790
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: he is a professional snake milker. So he'd probably before

791
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: I refer to what you called him earlier, called people

792
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: like this a herpetologist. But look, I got the show.

793
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 2: On this show, you're a snake milker, all right. So

794
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: Tom Crutchfield professional snake milker. He's in the NBC Miami

795
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: story and he tells him why he loves milking snakes

796
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: for a living. He says, quote, I always knew they

797
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: were special, even as a kid, because when I was

798
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: a kid, everybody hated snakes. And this, Elizabeth is it's

799
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: the same reason that I became a professional chef who

800
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 2: specializes in cooking worms.

801
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 3: Because because everybody.

802
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: Hey kid, everybody hated him. So I'm like, I'm gonna

803
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: prove them wrong, and welcome to shay worm.

804
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 4: Now.

805
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: According to this story, twice a month, this dude he

806
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: goes out and uh to the cobra dairy and he

807
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: milks his snakes and then he takes the cover venom

808
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: over to Deach, a Neutra pharma, and they handle the

809
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: processing of rock cobra venom and they turn it into

810
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 2: a usable powder. According to NBC Miami. Quote. Every time

811
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: the lab milks a cobra, more than one hundred bottles

812
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: of product are.

813
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: Made and an angel gets its wing ding. So I

814
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: just imagine then like sometimes he's he crawls over and

815
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: claws at the door of the office next door and

816
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: they open it and he's like, suck out the boys,

817
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: cause he got be it.

818
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: Dude, you ain't far from the truth on that. Now,

819
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: once he's done milking his cobras and boom out pops

820
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: the magic pills, the cure alls, the nyloxin and cobroxin.

821
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: That'll be twenty four to ninety five, Elizabeth. Now, what

822
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: do you get for your twenty four ninety five because

823
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: we haven't really discussed that other than a magic cure.

824
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: All I don't know violi coroxin.

825
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you get a pain relieves. This pain really

826
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: reminds you is stronger and longer lasting than morphine.

827
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

828
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and not just you, but your little dog too,

829
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: because it also neutra Pharmer. They also sell pet.

830
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: Pain away, Okay, pet pain away.

831
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: Pet pain away? Yeah, that title, oh yes explains quote.

832
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: The problem with pain medication for and cats is there

833
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: aren't a lot of choices.

834
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 3: That's not true.

835
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: But not so with Nutra Pharma, you know, because they

836
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: have cobra spray and cobra venom topical Joe, I would

837
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: imagine they're developing a line of cobra venom gummies right

838
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: about now.

839
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: I want an aerosol myst for like when you're on

840
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 3: the plane.

841
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just spray everybody cobra venom. So, according to

842
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: the NBC Miami story, niloxin and pet pain away are

843
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: all natural and can also be used for autoimmune diseases, viruses,

844
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: and pain. Okay, yeah, it's such amazing. This is also

845
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: apparently according to Deets, He's stressed that nyloxen quote is amazing.

846
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: It's not addictive, no hope, yet non narcotic. In the

847
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: last and model, it outperformed morphine. It lasted six hours

848
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: longer than morphine without any of the side effects. So

849
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: wonder drug, Elizabeth, And you're like, where would we be

850
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: without cobra toxin? And also are pooches Now you would

851
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: ask yourself, could this cobra venom magic pill be right

852
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: for me? Ask your doctor, Elizabeth. Yes, but please actually

853
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: don't ask your doctor because you want to know why

854
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 2: the sec alleges that quote. Neutra Pharma has no I

855
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: returned to profit in the December twenty sixteen reported Annuel

856
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: losses of three point five million dollars. Come to find out,

857
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: all this milking cobras, it may have been a smoke screen.

858
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: I know, shocking, right. Rick Deetch was apparently more focused

859
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: on his dream of big reptile on the Wall Street

860
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: than he ever was about milking cobras. He wanted to

861
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: milk Wall Street. And after this break, I'll tell you

862
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: how Rick Deach failed to turn king cobras into a

863
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: golden goose.

864
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: Elizabeth oh Zaren you know what I love snakes.

865
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: No, you want to guess again? No? Wall Street? Yeah,

866
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: not the Oliverstone movie, not the Oliverstone movie, and not

867
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 2: the actual street. I love the idea of Wall Street.

868
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: I love how it's a playground for people like Rich Geech. Okay,

869
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: and by love, of course, I mean I hate it.

870
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: I absolutely hate that. How are people giving this guy bunny?

871
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: But eventually, you know, he went out there knowing he

872
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: could convince people to give him money because apparently it's

873
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: just a maven for anyway.

874
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 3: I won't go astrology for suits, yes.

875
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: Dude, completely, but whatever I'm not going to get into

876
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: my judgments of Wall Street, but this land of suckers. Right,

877
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 2: dee starts building his co judgment, his Cobra Venom based empire,

878
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: and he becomes president and chairman of Nutra Pharma. He

879
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: enters into a consulting agreement with a company called Wall

880
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: Street By. Now the man who runs Wall Street By

881
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 2: was his cat named Christopher Costaldo. Now this dude was

882
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: He was about as shady as eminem in the year

883
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: two thousand. Ye slimshit. According to the federal paperwork, Diech

884
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: and I quote Deech looked into Costaldo and learned Castaldo

885
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: had been found liable for violating security law as a

886
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: broker in two thousand and eight SEC Civil enforcement action. Now,

887
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: most folks, if they're looking into guy, they'd find that

888
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: if they have a startup, that would be a tailbreaker, right,

889
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: Not old Diach, This is my man, back to the

890
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: court documents. Aware of Costaldo's background, Dach and Neutra Pharma

891
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: hired him to promote Nutra Pharma stock to potential investors.

892
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: He's exactly like that. He's like, dude, my dude, hook

893
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: it up right here, coming for a hug. So he

894
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: brings him in tidy as he can, so Deechen Castaldo.

895
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: They get to work together and they start trying to

896
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: spread the word on Wall Street and getting all those

897
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: Wall Street suckers investors getting excited right now. In twenty fifteen,

898
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: Deech reaches out to Sea Through Equity, which is a

899
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: quote equity research firm, and the CEO of C Through

900
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: Equity and Dietsch. They quote exchanged emails about a potential

901
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: analyst report of Neutra Pharma stock. The CEO email ditch

902
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: about two pricing options offering complimentary reports. Neutral Pharmas paid

903
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 2: See Through Equity eight thousand dollars for one of the packages.

904
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 2: So they get this like, you know, custom written report

905
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: saying great stuff. All the numbers look feasible today, right,

906
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: so shocking. I know that something called see through Equity

907
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: was a scam, but See Through Equity was a scam anyway,

908
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: Dieci gets his fake market research report and they threw

909
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: whatever he Through Equity and this he also included a

910
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 2: press release for the low low price of eight thousand dollars.

911
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: This package includes no anyway, so the press release mentions

912
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: how this expected stock price for Nutra Pharma will be

913
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: a target price of fifty three cents a share. Keep

914
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: that number in month. Yeah, now this is remarkable because

915
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: the price was approximately double the highest priced Nutra Pharma

916
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: had ever traded up to that point. Yeah, exactly, So

917
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: they doubled their value on paper with this faulty report.

918
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: From this point on, he's doing Oh I got the

919
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: ball rolling. So he starts working on international distribution deals.

920
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: So wait, does this product actually exist?

921
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: Great question, keep that in mind. Keep fifty three cents

922
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: and does this product really exist in mind?

923
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 3: Got it?

924
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: So he goes public and he claims to assign this

925
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: distribution agreement with the corporation in Canada. Like, you don't

926
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: know them. I met him during stimber of spring break.

927
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: It was so totally we hooked up and Wilson ended

928
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: a totally binding distribution agreement. So but you don't know them.

929
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: They're up there, they live in the Niagara Falls area. Anyway,

930
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: the truth was the company did exist. There was a

931
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: Canadian corporation. It was real, but they were not in

932
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: business with Neutral Farmer. They had talked about being in

933
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: business Neutral. Yeah, we're in business together, but we're totally

934
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: in business together. So yeah, it's exactly it's very a's

935
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: going to Vegas. So the Cobra Venom miracle drug. Right,

936
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: they say, hey, you guys talk to Canadian regulators, see

937
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: if you can get approval for us, and we'll keep

938
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: being getting into getting into business together, like why do

939
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: you get us approval? You guys get a Canadian approval,

940
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: so like time, Yeah, we'll work together on this, right.

941
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, the business partners were told also to identified

942
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: a Chinese company that could you know, obtain government approval

943
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: maybe from the Chinese end through Canada if that could work,

944
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: Like can we get a Chinese company who can just

945
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: ship it here? And Canada says, it's cool. Can that

946
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 2: be a thing we can do. At this point, the

947
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: Canadian partners are like, are you a business? Like what's

948
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: going on here? Right? So they say like okay, well yeah,

949
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 2: no guys, it's it's gonna be huge. We got we

950
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: just signed an Indian distribution deal. Keep the faith Canada

951
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, you are a business, all right,

952
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: well just send us the paperwork. So on June twenty fifteen,

953
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: Neutra Pharma announces to the world of investors that the

954
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: company had recently quoted completed upgrades in an expansion to

955
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: the reptile farm that houses the Asian cobras, utilizing the

956
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: production of nyloxin by adding one hundred snakes to the

957
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: existing milking line to increase venom production for the upcoming

958
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: international orders from India and China. Business is a boom

959
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: in Elizabeth, right, they got new cobra lines coming in.

960
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: So now, because of court documents we know quote. However,

961
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: at the time of this press release, Deetch was aware

962
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: that Neutra Pharma had never produced nyloxin or other reference products,

963
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: and no one else had produced them. So no, there

964
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: was no product to answer your question. Additionally, there's not

965
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: only no actual drug and none to speak of. And

966
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: this is my favorite part, and it's one of my

967
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: favorite sentences I've ever read a court document. He also

968
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: knew that Neutra Pharma had never owned cobras, cobra farms,

969
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: or cobra facilities. Stop there were no cobras.

970
00:43:59,440 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: Stop.

971
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, man had no cobras.

972
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: The Emperor.

973
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: His whole business and there's no cover he got. Covers

974
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: are in India, India, they're in China, China are in Canada, Canada,

975
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: the're in India.

976
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: Everyone cobra farms he keeps referencing.

977
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: I want to know about my man crush felled the

978
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 2: NBC in Miami story because he was the one saying

979
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: he's milking cobras for them and they're like, no, cobras

980
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: are going to the US. Yes, anyway, So Elizabeth, do

981
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 2: you know why we call things snake oil?

982
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: No? I actually don't, So I had to look.

983
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: This one what it is. Yeah, I don't think it's

984
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: patent medicine, right. I know that snake oil was the deal,

985
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: but I was like, well, actually, and I was thinking that.

986
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: I kept thinking this is a total snake oil con.

987
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: This is a grift, and I was like, like, what

988
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: is the true snake oil graft? So I looked it

989
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: up because hey, we're here for the like you know

990
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: the history.

991
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 3: Of one who does the research. So I operate under

992
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: who knows who cares?

993
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: So this guy for you who will soon care? Because

994
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: I'm going to insist you care.

995
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: I am actually really curious.

996
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: Clark Stanley, that to his name, Clark Stanley. He's the

997
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: one who gives us snake oil. Somehow he got his

998
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: name removed. He's not like Charles Ponzi, where he's like

999
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 2: you named it after me. They could call it Stanley oil,

1000
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: but it's not as catchy, right, So snake oil it is. Anyway,

1001
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: Snake oil is this rare thing you could only get

1002
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: from Chinese railroad workers, right. So this is because they

1003
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: were the ones laboring, as you know, to build a

1004
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 2: trans continent a railroad, so around the gold Rush era

1005
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: and afterwards primarily like around the eighteen sixties, eighteen seventy

1006
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 2: to eighteen eighties, really eighteen eighties for the trans continent

1007
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: the railroad. Yeah, they were the laborers, and they were

1008
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 2: cheap labor. Right. So you have a lot of black

1009
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: laborer on the on the eastern side, and the western

1010
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: side you have a lot of Scots, Irish and Chinese laborers. Right.

1011
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: So snake oil was this thing that they were using

1012
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: as medicine, legit medicine. Right. So for centuries Chinese people

1013
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: had been using this anti inflammatory and it was Chinese

1014
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: water snakes, specifically the Chinese water steak. And much later,

1015
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 2: you know, like recent times we've examined why is the

1016
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 2: Chinese water sneak so good? Apparently has it's super rich

1017
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: and omega three at mega three's as well as anti

1018
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: inflammatory agents that we all recognize now is like, oh,

1019
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: this is the good stuff, and this is just like

1020
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: the wonder snake. So the ancient Chinese had discovered that

1021
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: the oil of this water snake worked super well on

1022
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: tired muscles and aching backs. Is an anti inflammatory. So

1023
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: these laborers they would take it with them to work on.

1024
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: So they have it all over the West. So the

1025
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: other guys working with them, they know the discuss the Irish.

1026
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: They're sitting there like, man, what do you got to do?

1027
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: I got the snake oil and I'm rubbing on my muscles.

1028
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: So after a twelve hour day there, let me see

1029
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 2: some of that snake oil, right, and it works works

1030
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 2: so well, all the railroad guys start telling the cowboys

1031
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: about snake oil because they are overlapping. So now the

1032
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: cowboys starts spreading the word. Everyone wants the snake oil, right, yeah,

1033
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: so enter our snake oil salesman. We got our first snailsman.

1034
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: Now that everyone's been like doing all these rubdowns and

1035
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: liniments all across the West. Clark Stanley, aka the Rattlesnake King,

1036
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: so in a pamphlet that I went and actually read,

1037
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: with the title The Life and Adventures of the American

1038
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: Cowboy by Clark Stanley, better known as the Rattlesnake King

1039
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 2: full title Okay, so the pamphlet it was less of

1040
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: a biography of the American King Boy more of a

1041
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: nineteenth century infomercial about Clark Stanley and his snake oil lineament.

1042
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: So Clark Stanley, he didn't use any Chinese water snakes

1043
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: for his snake oil. That was problem number one. He

1044
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: just borrowed the name. He's like, that's what everybody wants.

1045
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: I got the snake oil, right. He didn't know that

1046
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: you actually have to have Chinese water snakes, so he

1047
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: substituted a good old fashioned American rattlesnake venal makes a snake. Yeah,

1048
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 2: ratsnake venom will do you right too.

1049
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: Right.

1050
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: So he claimed he learned about this not from the Chinese,

1051
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: but from the medicinal power of the Hopi tribe. He said,

1052
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: he told me all about the rattlesnakes that and he

1053
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: had been bitten hundreds of times. This was in the literature. No,

1054
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: he claimed it was all because of the miracle snake

1055
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: oil save me, so it too can save you. So

1056
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: he went all around the West, and you know, parts

1057
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: of the Midwest sound snake oil liniment just everywhere he could,

1058
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: and also you know, popularizing it across the country because

1059
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: it would be like in newspaper journals and it would

1060
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: be syndicated magazines and so forth. So people in Baltimore

1061
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: know what snake oil is, right, And Stanley, he promised

1062
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: that this would cure whatever ails you. You got kidney trouble,

1063
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: you got heart problems, you got a weak liver, you

1064
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: got a you know, ghosts in your blood, you got

1065
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 2: the female troubles. Whatever you got, you need to get

1066
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: you some snake oil liniment. So this dude, he would

1067
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: get people to believe it by performing feats for the crowd.

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Speaker 2: And this is where we get the medical tent shows

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00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: and all this. Yeah, he was a wonder for the

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00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: tent show because he had this one particular crowd pleaser.

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00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: He would go. He would he would take a snake

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00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: and he would make active actual snake oil live in

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00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: front of the crowd. He would take snake, turned into.

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00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: A snake, oiling the snake out.

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Speaker 2: No I wish that was what he did, but uh, okay,

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00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: here I'll tell you a little story. Eighteen ninety three

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00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 2: at the World's Exposition in Chicago, Stanley boiled a snake

1078
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: live on stage before he remembtedly, dazzled and enraptured crowd.

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00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: Stanley quote reached into a sack, plucked out a snake,

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00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: slit it open, plunge it into boiling water. When the

1081
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: fat rose to the top, he skimmed it off. He

1082
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: used it on the spot to create Stanley's snake Oil,

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00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: a liniment that was immediately snapped up by the throng

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00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: that gathered to watch the spectacle. But snake oil floats

1085
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: got get me some of that wow notic. He didn't

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00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: even do anything where they was just like I'll watch

1087
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: this and they're like, that's the real stuff. So the

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00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: trouble for Stanley was the American snake oil contained no

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00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: actual snake oil. Right, So eventually because the Chinese water

1090
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: snake that was the thing, right so, I told you,

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00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: and the American rattle snake poor replacement because it doesn't

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00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: have the ingredients.

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00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 3: I would imagine he wasn't even using any snake parts.

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00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 3: Was it just like mineral or good?

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00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're good. So, not only did it

1096
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: lack the necessary acids of the og that gave it

1097
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 2: a tit around the turn of the century, the FDA

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00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: is created, right, and they jump into the fray. The

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00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: agency begins to regulate all these patent medicines and they're

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00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: told like, oh, you gotta go look into this one.

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00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: You gotta go look into that one, right, And somehow

1102
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: doctor Bronders made it through. Not kidding doctor Bronders is

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00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: after all this anyway, so they comfort to like all

1104
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: this stuff, by the way, is known as snake oil, right,

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00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: And eventually they get around to going after the original

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00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: snake oil liniment. In nineteen seventeen, a shipment of Stanley

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00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: snake oil is seized by federal investigators. They open it

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00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: and test the contents. What do they find. Stanley snake

1109
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: oil is just as you guessed, quote mineral oil, a

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00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: fatty oil believed to be beef fat, red pepper, and turpentine.

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00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 3: So yeah, so you get like a little bit of a.

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00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: Sting and a little heat and then like when you

1113
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: go blind, I don't you drink too much. So his

1114
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: customers find out they've been drinking beef fat and turpentine,

1115
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: and they go crazy, right, they demand action from the feds.

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00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: Clark Stanley's hauled into court. He's tried he's found guilty,

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00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: he's convicted, he's given a punishment of fine of twenty dollars.

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00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's it. Twenty bucks. So the nickname

1119
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: for bunk medicine stuck though, snake oil that stuck around,

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00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 2: which brings us back to Rick Teach, our modern snake

1121
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: oil salesman with his cobra king cobra venom cureles right.

1122
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 2: He made nearly all the same promises as Stanley's snake

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00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: oil liniment, just in modern terms autoimmune disease instead of

1124
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: kidney troubles and women problems. Right now, nothing new under

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00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: the sun, essentially. But you know, Elizabeth, as I asked

1126
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: you before, if you think cobra venom is right for you,

1127
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: just ask your doctor, okay, And if you ask your doctor,

1128
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 2: they'll tell you hell no, we haven't gotten there yet.

1129
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, in research, we could possibly do some

1130
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: of these things, but we are not there yet.

1131
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: I feel like if I asked my doctor for myloxin,

1132
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: I'd be about as about as good a result as

1133
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 3: when I asked for a Xanax strip.

1134
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: They didn't give you that money of the guy got

1135
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: the Xanx cotton balls put between my cheek and gum

1136
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: just kind of suck on it. So I read a

1137
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: long form interview with this guy in a business generally

1138
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: get a sense of who he was, and so I

1139
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: saw that he was talking about snake oil. We actually didn't,

1140
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 2: but he connected himself to snake oil by mistake. Okay,

1141
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: he said, Well, the reporter asked him, like, how did

1142
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: you come up with this?

1143
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 4: Right?

1144
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: It was this total like pr repress. It was not

1145
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 2: a real reporter anyway, Deetsch replies, honestly, we didn't. So

1146
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: he's like, well, this technology has been around since the

1147
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: nineteen thirties. The Chinese has been working with snake venom

1148
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: and cobra venom for a host of different disorders. In fact,

1149
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: our ms drug originally was used to treat post polio

1150
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 2: syndrome in southern China. So some of that is true

1151
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 2: stuff about the Chinese. They've been working with the venom

1152
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: for a long time, and most of the other stuff

1153
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. But anyway, the part of China that

1154
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: had developed the Chinese snake oil was the Southwest, and

1155
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: so he's went to southern China once again, pretty kind

1156
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: of correct, right, And then he decides to come in

1157
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 2: with his his business genius. You see it shining through

1158
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: this interview. He says, when I tell people in America

1159
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 2: about our drugs, their benefits and that they are made

1160
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: from cobra venom, education is always needed. They may want

1161
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: to try the topical version, but they're reluctant to try

1162
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: the oral spray because it's cobra venom. That's not a

1163
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: problem in India.

1164
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 3: Oh god, do you.

1165
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 2: Tell people cover venom in India? They don't get me.

1166
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: Some take that bottle cap off, give meluck. No, what

1167
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: are you talking about? Yeah, anyway, the dude's like, I

1168
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: quote because Indians don't like opioids. Now, this is wild

1169
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 2: statement for a non Indian to make. Yeah, it's even

1170
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 2: wilder for someone who wants to sell drugs to Indians

1171
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: to make the statements. And then he gets into the

1172
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: whole history of opioids and like the exploitation of the

1173
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: British and Gandhi and he starts talking about like how

1174
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: that they don't like opioids because of British had mandated

1175
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: opium in the ways and and Gandhi insisted they quit it.

1176
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: And this is all true, I mean, but you know,

1177
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 2: but spoiler alert. When he got to his later point

1178
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: about saying, our biggest competitor is topical aspirin. By the

1179
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: end of twenty sixteen, we could be earning conservatively two

1180
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: to five million per month just in India because you know, I,

1181
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: hey just need our pain pills. Because all that opioid

1182
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 2: exploitation history. No, it turns out none of this happened

1183
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: because not a single dollar was sold in India, not

1184
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: a single dollar products sold India because starting a few

1185
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 2: years back, the Feds began to come around and warren

1186
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: customers that this whole Florida biochemist cobra venom cure all

1187
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 2: was bunk. They're like twenty seventeen, the FDA's commissioner, Scott

1188
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: Gottlieb warned health fraud scams like these are inexcusable. So

1189
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: he's been like pounding the drum. Neutral farmer, by the way,

1190
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: still at it. They have announced a new round of products.

1191
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 2: They there's the original Nylosin, there's pet pain Away, there's

1192
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: equine pain Away, and now they have luxury feet.

1193
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, that foot peel thing.

1194
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I who know you can do so much with

1195
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 2: cobra venom. They are currently being investigated and we'll see

1196
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: where this goes. No word on whether Neutral Farmer has

1197
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 2: ever purchased any actual cobras or cobra farms, but I'm

1198
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: betting the answer is no. And all the bad press,

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00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: by the way, lately is not helped Tach and his

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00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 2: dreams of creating Big Reptile and Connie wall Street because

1201
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: at the moment, you can currently purchase Neutral pharmas stock

1202
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: at a greatly reduced price of well how greatly reduced, Elizabeth,

1203
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: try five hundred shares will run you five cents. WHOA,

1204
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: so they kind of missed their their fifty three cent market?

1205
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: Say so, what's our ridiculous takeaway? Co broxin Pet paint

1206
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 3: Away is like, I don't know why this is.

1207
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: I love giving my pet cobra venom to help with

1208
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: their autoimmune disease.

1209
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing. I don't know. I'm just I can't

1210
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: get my head around it. But I kind of want

1211
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: to try some.

1212
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: I'll get chim Bottle Dragon find some online. It will

1213
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: probably just be turpentine and like whatever they put in

1214
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: with sabi, that's not with sabby anyway. There you go.

1215
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: That's it. That's all I have for you.

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00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 3: Excellent.

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