WEBVTT - Draft Show: A Closer Look At Safety, RB & More 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:06.960 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.040 on the your war room for incenter news and draft 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:14.160 analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:19.200 the Star in Frescope, Dallas Cowboys Select Lad and now 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:25.360 your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, well, well, 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.800 welcome once again to the Draft Show here from the 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:32.640 s WBC Mortgage Studios. As the Big Boys Guy says, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.120 it's the Draft Show with Brian brought us, Dame Burglar, 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:40.400 David Hellman, Kit Garrison executive producing today and we're joined 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.479 by one of our scouting friends from one oh five 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:48.600 three the Fan, Kevin kat Turner. I can't baby, thank 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.520 you for having me. Guys, great show. We don't usually 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.080 see you down here until Draft weekend. Yeah, you don't 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.959 need me, You guys great enough. We want you. We 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.040 absolutely need you. And as you know, as you followed 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.080 along our coverage of the draft throughout the years, we 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.160 have a great partnership with one oh five three the 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:11.680 Fan with Jeff Kavanaugh and Kevin Turner. This man does 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.280 a lot of studying. A matter of fact, last night 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.920 he was in here. We were banging away on some 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.399 tape and trying to figure some of these positions out. 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.440 And we're getting down into the to the last kind 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:24.959 of bit of it, Dane. We're down to the last, 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.160 like thirty five days or so before the draft. You're 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.440 feeling a little pressure right now. It's nothing but pressure 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.840 this entire process, because it's you just wish you had 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.479 more time to watch more of these guys, because it's 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:39.959 and that's one of the toughest parts of scouting is 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.200 when when do you know enough's enough? Okay, Yeah, I 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.560 just watched four tapes of this guy. I could use 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.280 another one, but I think I know him. That's one 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.279 of the hardest parts when you evaluate these players is knowing, Okay, 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:55.160 I know this player, he's exactly this, or do you 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:56.640 need to go back and watch more. It's one of 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:59.840 the toughest parts of the pole process. Yeah, echoes back 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.640 to my school analogy. Like in school, you get to 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.000 a point where you study and study more. You're just 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.400 like where you just don't study. Like man, You're just like, yeah, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.320 at some point you gotta just say screw it. I 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.320 either know this or I don't, which Dane, At what 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.240 point do you get to that point. Probably never. I 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.000 never feel that. Yeah, yeah, never feel that's filled. I 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.480 bet you were a better student than I was, too. Well, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.359 I mean I love this more than any other class 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.360 I took it in school. So fair, Katie. You you 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.519 are you? How's your journey been? I mean we haven't 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.440 We're picking you up here with you know, a month 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.520 or so. How's your journey been as far as have you? 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.920 And I know we're gonna do something today in the 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.400 second half. That's a lot of fun, you know, and 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.320 I'm really excited you're here to be a part of that. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.519 We'll see my journey. It gets to a point, especially 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.120 at this point, where you go pro days are happening 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.400 and all that stuff, and you go, Okay, I think 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.080 that matches what I saw and what I know, and 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.000 then I for this year, my journey has been horrible 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.600 with linebackers, but I've never really been great at linebackers. 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.040 But one thing that I that I always go back 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.880 to is I find myself trying to listen to you 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.960 guys too much because I don't want it to affect 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.839 how I shill. But then I also remember, at least 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.320 for me, that there really is no mount Everest here. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.600 So no matter what I think about a guy, that 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.880 guy could always end up proving you wrong. You know, 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.760 you're always gonna miss on someone, sure, I think, And 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.200 then you always have a guy that then and it 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:20.840 follows you for thirty years of your career. See, and 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.840 there are a few guys who you call him pet cats. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.000 You guys will go to bat four yeah and you 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:26.839 and you go, oh my god, he ran an eight 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.840 h eight on a three cone drill. What am I 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.520 going to do? Jaylen Ferguson from Louisiana Tech, Yeah, you know, 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.640 I think that. And Katie's absolutely right here. I think that. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.320 You know, we get into a situation. I had a 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.800 scout stop by as Dave can it tells everybody can test. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.480 I got a huge candy bowl on a desk behind 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:46.680 where I sit. Yeah, Dane knows about it better than 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.520 I do. Dane's a Scout through and through. Katie leads 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.120 some candy on you too. He'll stand up in the 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.160 middle of the film and start just munching on candy 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.120 right and making up chocolate for Lenz. It's been it's 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.920 been rough. It's been rough. Yeah, Well, the Scouts love chocolate. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.000 Scouts just loved it. They get nervous and they like 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.280 to eat another story for another day. But you know, 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.360 you get to a point in time, though, like I said, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.840 where you're trying to uh, you know, you're evaluating these guys, 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.200 and you know you're kind of you're you're you get 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.080 you know, you're saying, okay, am I am, I do. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.480 I had this guy right, and I had again. I 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.160 had a scout come by grab a couple piece of 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.040 chocolate from him last night, and he goes, I don't 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.599 want to listen to anybody tell me about these players. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.760 He goes, that's the problem. He goes, I want to 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:27.680 evaluate these players and then I want to go into 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.240 a meeting. I don't need somebody to confirm it for 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.200 me yet. Don't tell me about the player. You know. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.039 That's like when I watched them with Kat and Jeff, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.320 I watched these guys, and or you might have watched 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.320 guys too, and you're's like going, I I'm just gonna 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.280 I'm not gonna tell you about this guy. You tell 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.080 me what you think about this guy, because sometimes you get, 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:46.960 you know, a scout something like, oh, well this is 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.640 what I think about this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.240 then you haven't done the player and now you're thinking, man, 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.080 that guy's usually right about players. You don't want to 0:04:54.080 --> 0:05:00.159 get influenced by that, you know, it's confirmation bias. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.279 so I mean I think, I mean, it might be 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.919 my phone doing that game. I'm sorry, sorry about that. That 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.680 That was on periscope. Welcome to the periscope. Yeah, but yeah, 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.440 I you know, I I think it's kind of one 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.159 of those things you have to be careful, you know. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:13.839 I mean, I don't like, I'm with you. I don't 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.080 think there's enough tape you can watch. I think I'm 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.120 always trying to watch. Even on Draft day. I think 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.600 I'm gonna try and watch down to the bitter end, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.040 watch some more guys. And You're right about the test 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.360 thing though too. I'm just gonna roll up and say 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.200 we got it or we don't. You got it, we don't. Okay, guys, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.679 there Kat mentioned this. Pro days are kind of prot 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.640 Pro days are happening right now. We got some big 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.400 days that have been happened in Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio state, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.080 you know, just to name a few, is there. You know, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.200 we we've seen some guys, uh, you know, we've seen 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.840 some guys run some times that and I'm talking about 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.960 a guy like Josh Jacobs, you know, running back from 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.240 Alabama and all of a sudden, you know, when does 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.400 the film when And I want to kind of get 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.080 into this for you guys, when you're watching tape and 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:04.160 when does the film just totally take out anything to 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.160 do with the work. I know kat was mentioned about 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.760 the Louisiana tech kid Ferguson, but when does the film 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.240 just say, you know what, Jacobs runs a four six three. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.159 I'm fine with that. He's still my number one back. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.400 You know, when is that in your head? When does 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.960 that start to happen? When does that? You know, when 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.000 do you just say enough? I'm not I'm not going 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.200 to look at that time. Holy Fields that way for me, 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.960 holy Field from Georgia, the running Back. Brian bit my 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.719 head off yesterday when I told him about holy Field's 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.799 time at the Georgia froday because he was he just goes, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.640 turn on the tape, Dave, turn on the tape. Yeah, 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.640 tell me, just go ahead and tell me. Yeah, see 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.200 to me. I get to a point in time where 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.680 I watched that tape and you know, and you and 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:52.520 I get into discussion about Jouan Williams from Vanderbilt, you know, 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.000 and I'm thinking that you're like, well, dam brought us. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.680 The tape shows you he gets run by sometimes, you know. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.159 But I think he ran a four or five four 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:00.720 the other day which made you feel a little bit 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.280 better at Vanderbilt. But when, but when we when do 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.440 we do this? When? When is it the when do 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.320 we say? Guy? We just don't get influenced by the 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.160 numbers here. I don't watch anywhere near as much tape 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.920 as the rest of y'all, but wouldn't And you tell 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:15.520 me if I'm wrong. But the way I look at 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.000 it is if the if, the times, if the drills 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:23.120 are just showing you something vastly Ferguson's eight o eight 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.960 well case in point, like, if you're showing you something, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:27.960 if the tape is showing you something that the numbers 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.480 don't reflect, that's what bothers me. So like Josh Jacobs 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.200 running a four six, I don't care because he's not 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.480 blowing past defenders on his tape anyway, That's not what 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.160 he does. If if a Reggie Bush type of running 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.679 back who's just breaking free into secondaries, play after play, 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.120 is running a four six steak. Guy gets fetched sometimes 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:48.160 that scares me, and that's Jalen Ferguson scares me a little. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.160 Bands from Penn State. If if your tape tells me 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.720 that you're like three steps quicker than the guys you're 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.680 going against, but it doesn't reflect in the numbers, and 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.840 then you're like, well, he does play at Louisiana Tech. 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.560 He's not going up against like the best prospects. That 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.840 worries me, whereas Josh Jacobs bowling over sec defenses but 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.040 not having elite speed doesn't really bother me. And it 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.360 really depends on the position too. Talking about corner, Toma, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.080 Joe and Williams can talk about running back. Big difference 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.040 to me, corner is a stopwatch position where you care 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.160 about straight line speed, You care about the caliber of 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.520 athlete that player is. Wherewith running back, so much of 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.000 it is instinct, so much of it is you know 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.080 that short area quickness. I don't really care about forty yards. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.920 I care about what can you do in three yards? 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.200 And so for Josh Jacobs in running backs as a whole, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.080 and Leveon Bell ran a four six, Kareem Hunt ran 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.400 a four six There's plenty of running backs in the 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:44.720 NFL who did not test overly well, but you know 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:47.719 they're talented, productive running backs to the pros. And I 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.480 think Josh Jacobs is gonna be another one. Now. Some 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.080 of the idi agility times I was surprised or like, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:54.520 you know, the jumps, like at nine four in the 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.360 broad I believe, like that's a little surprised, and I 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.600 thought he had a little more juice in his little bars. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.760 Was a little surprising. But nonetheless, I mean he's he's 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.000 twenty five overall on my board. I think he'll be 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:10.679 twenty five tomorrow. So that does that bother you at all? Well? No, no, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.920 And with running backs I feel the same, like I 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.360 don't really the numbers don't matter. What makes me go 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.080 back is when I watch another running back who intrigued you. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.200 If it was Miles Sanders, who to me is my 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:25.319 running back too from Penn State. But then like two 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.840 were running back one running back too. Okay, I still 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.360 like Jacobs and are running. One thing I like about 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.440 Jacobs if you're considering taking him in the first round, 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:33.720 not a lot of wear and tear on his body. Yeah, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.000 I feel pretty good. Trevion Williams. I like, if you're 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.920 taking him on day three, that's the A and M 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:40.920 running back. You're taking him on day three. I like that, 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.880 But I'm not making him my feature back, Josh Jacobs. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.280 I'm making him my guy, and I don't have a 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.080 lot of you know, there's there's not a lot of 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.040 wear and tear on the body. I like, well, you 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.160 you went on a. You went on a you know, 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.679 have written some reports and talked about some things, and 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.560 we mentioned Ferguson though, and Dave's talking about it though. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.680 The eight o eight on the on the three cone, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.640 you see stiffness when you watch him play, right, is that? 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:08.480 Is that the thing that now? I mean, are you 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.440 going to drop him? Or do you feel like you 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:15.400 have him right on your board with the stiffness considered? 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.680 Or did the eight to eight make you think about 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.520 dropping him? Around the second line of my report, hit 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.800 tightness shows when attempting to dip and bend, so you know, 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.719 we see a lot of tape. He's a speed to 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.360 power rusher. That's what he does best. But it's kind 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.079 of like the Orlando Brown conversation from last year and 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.520 the combine where it's not that it was like, you 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.040 expected Orlando Brown to be a little heavy in his movements, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.479 but it was the fact that it was a historically 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.319 bad workout and he was fine last year exactly. And 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.679 that's kind of what I'm getting to with Jalen ferguson 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.079 the pro day did not live up to what you 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.560 would expect from the all time leading sack artist in FBS. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.520 But you know, I think it kind of matches up 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.760 with what you expected. He's a little stiff, but they're 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.480 historically bad numbers, so maybe he falls a little bit, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:02.800 but I don't. I don't think it's gonna be a 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.480 free fall situation. I think he's still gonna be somewhere 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:08.839 in the top seventy five picks, second third round. Um. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.319 But it does make you think a little bit like, Okay, wow, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.080 does this you know we had him? I think on 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.400 my on my board going in he was number forty 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.400 nine overall, so a top fifty pick. Do you move 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.160 him down a little bit? Do you still feel comfortable 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.640 with him there? It's it's definitely a conversation with numbers 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.800 like that. What bothers you more is it the time, which, 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.760 by the way, eight to eight, I know it's historically bad. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.199 When you really watch it, though, does it not look 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.400 like a guy who's playing on an icehrink and he's 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.800 just trying to keep his feet? Why can we do? 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.559 Can we do a makeup pro day? Brought you? We're 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.000 talking about this night. You said Terrell Suggs had a 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.679 makeup pro day? Let him run a thirty eight? Yeah. Yeah, 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.600 See that's what I'm saying Forget to turn your watching. 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.560 You get it. You get in a situation where you 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.960 have guys, we have guys that you that you you know, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.439 they're trying so hard to get a time, to get 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.160 a time where you feel good about. And I remember Sugs. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.880 I completely remember Sugs on that day. They kept running 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.679 him at Arizona State and he never got fast, he 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.679 never got femist. And I mean literally, you're spending hundreds 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:15.199 of nine hundreds thousands of dollars to go out to 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.720 Tempe to try and time this guy. He still went 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.840 in the top ten. Isn't that the opposite of don't 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.160 window dress your board? Like if a guy runs a 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.600 time that you hate, but you're just like, just keep going. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.240 It's because of the film. It's because of the film. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.240 It's because of the film. You do this, you get 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.240 pissed off at a guy because you're like, you know what, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.120 your film is better than that. You want everything to 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.960 be like okay, like sweat. And by the way, we 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.200 need to get into sweat. We need to get into 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.400 sweat about that because you've done research. I've done research. 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.120 We need to talk about this medical condition with sweat. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.960 But you get guys where everything just kind of goes perfectly. 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.400 He has a good season, he goes the Senior Bowl, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.000 looks good at the Senior Bowl, it goes to combat, 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.560 looks great at the comp. You want that the tape 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.880 you're like looking, oh yeah, I mean it's not easy scout, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.680 don't don't get me wrong, but but you live for 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.280 those those players. It's like it all makes sense to you. 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.959 Those numbers worry more or does it worry you more 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.640 that a lot of this production was happening against UTEP 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.520 and God rest a Soul, North Texas my alma mater, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.200 or Southern miss because to me, you see him do it, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.440 tell SU, you see him do it to Mississippi State. 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.480 That's definitely it's not a finish. When you when you 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:27.240 watch the LSU game Mississippi State you're going, Okay, he's 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.000 running the same I'm watching Polite and all these other 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.400 guys run around LSU and you know those guys. So yeah, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.360 I mean it helps me to see that kind of 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.960 a competition with the guy. It's also an example of 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.680 the NFL kind of screwing him over not being able 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.120 to go to the combs. Yes, he knew he had 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.520 one shot one pro day to get this right. Yeah, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.400 and that's a good point. And I'm not saying he's 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.800 gonna he's gonna run you know, a six eight three 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.640 cone at the combine, But knowing that, I don't think 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.040 he's gonna run eight oh eight, right exactly. That's what 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.120 I'm saying. I think he might have been better. That's 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.679 a bigger story about the guy now. And well that's 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.080 what I'm saying, Like he kind of got screwed over 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.160 a little bit because a fight five years ago, and 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.280 McDonald's like, you know, it's not something that should have 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.080 precluded him from attending the combine. So it's it's really 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.040 interesting because yeah, when you watched actually watched the three cone, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.560 it does not really help you determine make a determination 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.560 because he was so stiff. Yeah, first of all, if 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:26.200 you're doing those times and testing, why even do the drill. 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.840 I'd rather take a zero and say I just I'm 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.440 not ready for you. I'm not ready for the drill. Right, No, 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.080 that sounds bad, but an eight o eight is worse advice. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:37.480 So I'm not sure why you did the drill. And 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.240 then at the pro day to begin with, Yeah, okay, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.000 talk about Montest Sweat from Mississippi State. Here is a 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.680 very talented A lot of people have talked about him 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.160 as potentially a top maybe fifteen pick in this draft. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.280 After the combine, you went from saying maybe top fifteen 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.960 to maybe the top ten. Just and then the medical 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.840 news came out about heart condition. Get into what you've 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.280 kind of learned from some teams. Yeah, and it's funny. 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:07.640 I was tipped tipped off about this last week, and 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.800 you know, you and I both did some research, and 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.560 in the process of our research, Ian Rappaport from NFL 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.760 Network had the report. Um, but it's basically the same 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:23.240 thing that happened with our Michigan guy last year. Art right, Uh, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.760 kind of an enlargement. Um. There's you know, just concerns 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:32.080 about you know, yearly routine checkups. But a few big 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:35.520 differences between him and Hurst. First, he was allowed to 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.360 work out at the combine, which is a big part 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.080 of this, Like if the doctors they sent Hurst home 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:43.040 to get more testing, with Sweat us a lot to 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:48.280 work out. That's a big thing. No prior issues episodes, 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.600 uh with with Sweat. That's a big difference between him 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:55.640 and Hearst. And just reaching out the teams talking to them, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.080 you get to you heard the same two words low risky. 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.040 It came to Sweat. So it's something that's on the 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.440 raid or something're worried about. But I don't think it's 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.840 going to be something that drops him. Now, maybe he 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.640 goes from being you know, the fifth or the eighth 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.360 pick to being the tenth or the twelfth pick, right, 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.720 but I don't think it's going to be something that 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.160 drops him. You know, a dozen twenty swats in the draft. Yeah, 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:17.880 I had a I had a team tell me and 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.880 I'll just I'm reading here off of my message. The 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.280 difference is Sweat has had no episodes or his family 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:27.240 has no episodes. Yeah, this team told me they have 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.480 Sweat team is a low risk whereas Hearst was off 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.479 their board. He has an he has had an episode, 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.160 uh and a legit blockage. Sweat will need to your 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.840 yearly checkups. So that's that's kind of where they're at 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.360 right now with with all that information. So I think 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.120 that's a that's a that's a positive thing. I think 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:48.920 when that when that news first came out, I was 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.120 a little bit concerned because again I was cheering for 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.960 the player he had. Nobody nobody's had a nobody's had 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.200 a better nobody's had a better uh, I think lead 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.440 up to the draft and this guy, we get one 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.120 or two of these heart stories every year. Yeah, well 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.239 it just shows you. Yeah, I'm happy to hear that 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.280 because yeah, I mean, you know, Hurst was a guy 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.639 we talked about at nineteen for the first month of 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:11.640 the draft cycle, and he was a fifth round pick 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.119 because of that, and he started double digit games for 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.679 the Raiders and had a fairly good rookie seasons. The 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.480 Raiders will tell you that he was their best draft 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.720 pick yep, which and we were very critically surprised anybody 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.639 if he was now to play. No, we were very 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.320 critical of that draft. So hopefully this doesn't you know, 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.760 impact Sweat in any big way. I don't think it will. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.560 If you like Sweat coming in, I think you still 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.920 like them. Us really the only blemish on a really 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.480 impressive pre draft process for him from the Senior Bowl 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.760 or the Combine. I mean Montes Sweat and a Missisippi 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.200 States Pro day coming up next week that'll be heavily 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.520 attended with Jeffrey Simmons working out for the first time 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.200 in front of scouts and teams, So a chance for 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.520 teams to have more interaction with Montez and you know, 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:55.960 maybe take him out to dinner and taking out the 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.840 breakfast and find out more about him. Yeah, that's like say, 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:01.280 these scouts and Octor since that's the great thing about 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.480 the Combine. We talk about the you know what it's 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.480 all about. It's the interviews, and it's also about the 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.400 medical I mean, that's that will always be the most 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.560 important thing about the Combine. Every single year. I'll never 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.560 forget my jay Ji heartbreak either. Yeah, every single year. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.399 Fans still hate me for that one. But you know, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:20.400 he fell to the fifth round for a reason, and 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.760 you know, good for him. He's able to carve out, 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.520 you know, an NFL career up to this point. Um. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.080 But yeah, the knee that coming out was an issue 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.000 and so and they're probably there's probably a medical issue 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.840 we haven't heard of yet with this draft class. Uh, 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:37.320 that will come out here the next few weeks about 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.800 a player, whether it's you know, knee or something else 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.600 going on with a player that is going to drop 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.440 them down. It's gonna take them off draft forwards. It's 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:49.159 just an unfortunate part of playing a very violent physical sport. 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.720 That's a segment right there is which college fan base 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.359 hate you the most because of your draft takes. There's 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.400 some texts seems to go out to you, right, I'll 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.240 tell you a foreman. Yeah, oh man, that's right. 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