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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, well, well,
Speaker 1: welcome once again to the Draft Show here from the
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Speaker 1: it's the Draft Show with Brian brought us, Dame Burglar,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kit Garrison executive producing today and we're joined
Speaker 1: by one of our scouting friends from one oh five
Speaker 1: three the Fan, Kevin kat Turner. I can't baby, thank
Speaker 1: you for having me. Guys, great show. We don't usually
Speaker 1: see you down here until Draft weekend. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: need me, You guys great enough. We want you. We
Speaker 1: absolutely need you. And as you know, as you followed
Speaker 1: along our coverage of the draft throughout the years, we
Speaker 1: have a great partnership with one oh five three the
Speaker 1: Fan with Jeff Kavanaugh and Kevin Turner. This man does
Speaker 1: a lot of studying. A matter of fact, last night
Speaker 1: he was in here. We were banging away on some
Speaker 1: tape and trying to figure some of these positions out.
Speaker 1: And we're getting down into the to the last kind
Speaker 1: of bit of it, Dane. We're down to the last,
Speaker 1: like thirty five days or so before the draft. You're
Speaker 1: feeling a little pressure right now. It's nothing but pressure
Speaker 1: this entire process, because it's you just wish you had
Speaker 1: more time to watch more of these guys, because it's
Speaker 1: and that's one of the toughest parts of scouting is
Speaker 1: when when do you know enough's enough? Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just watched four tapes of this guy. I could use
Speaker 1: another one, but I think I know him. That's one
Speaker 1: of the hardest parts when you evaluate these players is knowing, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know this player, he's exactly this, or do you
Speaker 1: need to go back and watch more. It's one of
Speaker 1: the toughest parts of the pole process. Yeah, echoes back
Speaker 1: to my school analogy. Like in school, you get to
Speaker 1: a point where you study and study more. You're just
Speaker 1: like where you just don't study. Like man, You're just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: at some point you gotta just say screw it. I
Speaker 1: either know this or I don't, which Dane, At what
Speaker 1: point do you get to that point. Probably never. I
Speaker 1: never feel that. Yeah, yeah, never feel that's filled. I
Speaker 1: bet you were a better student than I was, too. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I love this more than any other class
Speaker 1: I took it in school. So fair, Katie. You you
Speaker 1: are you? How's your journey been? I mean we haven't
Speaker 1: We're picking you up here with you know, a month
Speaker 1: or so. How's your journey been as far as have you?
Speaker 1: And I know we're gonna do something today in the
Speaker 1: second half. That's a lot of fun, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm really excited you're here to be a part of that.
Speaker 1: We'll see my journey. It gets to a point, especially
Speaker 1: at this point, where you go pro days are happening
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and you go, Okay, I think
Speaker 1: that matches what I saw and what I know, and
Speaker 1: then I for this year, my journey has been horrible
Speaker 1: with linebackers, but I've never really been great at linebackers.
Speaker 1: But one thing that I that I always go back
Speaker 1: to is I find myself trying to listen to you
Speaker 1: guys too much because I don't want it to affect
Speaker 1: how I shill. But then I also remember, at least
Speaker 1: for me, that there really is no mount Everest here.
Speaker 1: So no matter what I think about a guy, that
Speaker 1: guy could always end up proving you wrong. You know,
Speaker 1: you're always gonna miss on someone, sure, I think, And
Speaker 1: then you always have a guy that then and it
Speaker 1: follows you for thirty years of your career. See, and
Speaker 1: there are a few guys who you call him pet cats.
Speaker 1: You guys will go to bat four yeah and you
Speaker 1: and you go, oh my god, he ran an eight
Speaker 1: h eight on a three cone drill. What am I
Speaker 1: going to do? Jaylen Ferguson from Louisiana Tech, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that. And Katie's absolutely right here. I think that.
Speaker 1: You know, we get into a situation. I had a
Speaker 1: scout stop by as Dave can it tells everybody can test.
Speaker 1: I got a huge candy bowl on a desk behind
Speaker 1: where I sit. Yeah, Dane knows about it better than
Speaker 1: I do. Dane's a Scout through and through. Katie leads
Speaker 1: some candy on you too. He'll stand up in the
Speaker 1: middle of the film and start just munching on candy
Speaker 1: right and making up chocolate for Lenz. It's been it's
Speaker 1: been rough. It's been rough. Yeah, Well, the Scouts love chocolate.
Speaker 1: Scouts just loved it. They get nervous and they like
Speaker 1: to eat another story for another day. But you know,
Speaker 1: you get to a point in time, though, like I said,
Speaker 1: where you're trying to uh, you know, you're evaluating these guys,
Speaker 1: and you know you're kind of you're you're you get
Speaker 1: you know, you're saying, okay, am I am, I do.
Speaker 1: I had this guy right, and I had again. I
Speaker 1: had a scout come by grab a couple piece of
Speaker 1: chocolate from him last night, and he goes, I don't
Speaker 1: want to listen to anybody tell me about these players.
Speaker 1: He goes, that's the problem. He goes, I want to
Speaker 1: evaluate these players and then I want to go into
Speaker 1: a meeting. I don't need somebody to confirm it for
Speaker 1: me yet. Don't tell me about the player. You know.
Speaker 1: That's like when I watched them with Kat and Jeff,
Speaker 1: I watched these guys, and or you might have watched
Speaker 1: guys too, and you're's like going, I I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you about this guy. You tell
Speaker 1: me what you think about this guy, because sometimes you get,
Speaker 1: you know, a scout something like, oh, well this is
Speaker 1: what I think about this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you haven't done the player and now you're thinking, man,
Speaker 1: that guy's usually right about players. You don't want to
Speaker 1: get influenced by that, you know, it's confirmation bias. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean I think, I mean, it might be
Speaker 1: my phone doing that game. I'm sorry, sorry about that. That
Speaker 1: That was on periscope. Welcome to the periscope. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I you know, I I think it's kind of one
Speaker 1: of those things you have to be careful, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like, I'm with you. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's enough tape you can watch. I think I'm
Speaker 1: always trying to watch. Even on Draft day. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and watch down to the bitter end,
Speaker 1: watch some more guys. And You're right about the test
Speaker 1: thing though too. I'm just gonna roll up and say
Speaker 1: we got it or we don't. You got it, we don't. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: there Kat mentioned this. Pro days are kind of prot
Speaker 1: Pro days are happening right now. We got some big
Speaker 1: days that have been happened in Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio state,
Speaker 1: you know, just to name a few, is there. You know,
Speaker 1: we we've seen some guys, uh, you know, we've seen
Speaker 1: some guys run some times that and I'm talking about
Speaker 1: a guy like Josh Jacobs, you know, running back from
Speaker 1: Alabama and all of a sudden, you know, when does
Speaker 1: the film when And I want to kind of get
Speaker 1: into this for you guys, when you're watching tape and
Speaker 1: when does the film just totally take out anything to
Speaker 1: do with the work. I know kat was mentioned about
Speaker 1: the Louisiana tech kid Ferguson, but when does the film
Speaker 1: just say, you know what, Jacobs runs a four six three.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. He's still my number one back.
Speaker 1: You know, when is that in your head? When does
Speaker 1: that start to happen? When does that? You know, when
Speaker 1: do you just say enough? I'm not I'm not going
Speaker 1: to look at that time. Holy Fields that way for me,
Speaker 1: holy Field from Georgia, the running Back. Brian bit my
Speaker 1: head off yesterday when I told him about holy Field's
Speaker 1: time at the Georgia froday because he was he just goes,
Speaker 1: turn on the tape, Dave, turn on the tape. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell me, just go ahead and tell me. Yeah, see
Speaker 1: to me. I get to a point in time where
Speaker 1: I watched that tape and you know, and you and
Speaker 1: I get into discussion about Jouan Williams from Vanderbilt, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking that you're like, well, dam brought us.
Speaker 1: The tape shows you he gets run by sometimes, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think he ran a four or five four
Speaker 1: the other day which made you feel a little bit
Speaker 1: better at Vanderbilt. But when, but when we when do
Speaker 1: we do this? When? When is it the when do
Speaker 1: we say? Guy? We just don't get influenced by the
Speaker 1: numbers here. I don't watch anywhere near as much tape
Speaker 1: as the rest of y'all, but wouldn't And you tell
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. But the way I look at
Speaker 1: it is if the if, the times, if the drills
Speaker 1: are just showing you something vastly Ferguson's eight o eight
Speaker 1: well case in point, like, if you're showing you something,
Speaker 1: if the tape is showing you something that the numbers
Speaker 1: don't reflect, that's what bothers me. So like Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: running a four six, I don't care because he's not
Speaker 1: blowing past defenders on his tape anyway, That's not what
Speaker 1: he does. If if a Reggie Bush type of running
Speaker 1: back who's just breaking free into secondaries, play after play,
Speaker 1: is running a four six steak. Guy gets fetched sometimes
Speaker 1: that scares me, and that's Jalen Ferguson scares me a little.
Speaker 1: Bands from Penn State. If if your tape tells me
Speaker 1: that you're like three steps quicker than the guys you're
Speaker 1: going against, but it doesn't reflect in the numbers, and
Speaker 1: then you're like, well, he does play at Louisiana Tech.
Speaker 1: He's not going up against like the best prospects. That
Speaker 1: worries me, whereas Josh Jacobs bowling over sec defenses but
Speaker 1: not having elite speed doesn't really bother me. And it
Speaker 1: really depends on the position too. Talking about corner, Toma,
Speaker 1: Joe and Williams can talk about running back. Big difference
Speaker 1: to me, corner is a stopwatch position where you care
Speaker 1: about straight line speed, You care about the caliber of
Speaker 1: athlete that player is. Wherewith running back, so much of
Speaker 1: it is instinct, so much of it is you know
Speaker 1: that short area quickness. I don't really care about forty yards.
Speaker 1: I care about what can you do in three yards?
Speaker 1: And so for Josh Jacobs in running backs as a whole,
Speaker 1: and Leveon Bell ran a four six, Kareem Hunt ran
Speaker 1: a four six There's plenty of running backs in the
Speaker 1: NFL who did not test overly well, but you know
Speaker 1: they're talented, productive running backs to the pros. And I
Speaker 1: think Josh Jacobs is gonna be another one. Now. Some
Speaker 1: of the idi agility times I was surprised or like,
Speaker 1: you know, the jumps, like at nine four in the
Speaker 1: broad I believe, like that's a little surprised, and I
Speaker 1: thought he had a little more juice in his little bars.
Speaker 1: Was a little surprising. But nonetheless, I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: twenty five overall on my board. I think he'll be
Speaker 1: twenty five tomorrow. So that does that bother you at all? Well? No, no,
Speaker 1: And with running backs I feel the same, like I
Speaker 1: don't really the numbers don't matter. What makes me go
Speaker 1: back is when I watch another running back who intrigued you.
Speaker 1: If it was Miles Sanders, who to me is my
Speaker 1: running back too from Penn State. But then like two
Speaker 1: were running back one running back too. Okay, I still
Speaker 1: like Jacobs and are running. One thing I like about
Speaker 1: Jacobs if you're considering taking him in the first round,
Speaker 1: not a lot of wear and tear on his body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel pretty good. Trevion Williams. I like, if you're
Speaker 1: taking him on day three, that's the A and M
Speaker 1: running back. You're taking him on day three. I like that,
Speaker 1: But I'm not making him my feature back, Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 1: I'm making him my guy, and I don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, there's there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: wear and tear on the body. I like, well, you
Speaker 1: you went on a. You went on a you know,
Speaker 1: have written some reports and talked about some things, and
Speaker 1: we mentioned Ferguson though, and Dave's talking about it though.
Speaker 1: The eight o eight on the on the three cone,
Speaker 1: you see stiffness when you watch him play, right, is that?
Speaker 1: Is that the thing that now? I mean, are you
Speaker 1: going to drop him? Or do you feel like you
Speaker 1: have him right on your board with the stiffness considered?
Speaker 1: Or did the eight to eight make you think about
Speaker 1: dropping him? Around the second line of my report, hit
Speaker 1: tightness shows when attempting to dip and bend, so you know,
Speaker 1: we see a lot of tape. He's a speed to
Speaker 1: power rusher. That's what he does best. But it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the Orlando Brown conversation from last year and
Speaker 1: the combine where it's not that it was like, you
Speaker 1: expected Orlando Brown to be a little heavy in his movements,
Speaker 1: but it was the fact that it was a historically
Speaker 1: bad workout and he was fine last year exactly. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm getting to with Jalen ferguson
Speaker 1: the pro day did not live up to what you
Speaker 1: would expect from the all time leading sack artist in FBS.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it kind of matches up
Speaker 1: with what you expected. He's a little stiff, but they're
Speaker 1: historically bad numbers, so maybe he falls a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't think it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: free fall situation. I think he's still gonna be somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top seventy five picks, second third round. Um.
Speaker 1: But it does make you think a little bit like, Okay, wow,
Speaker 1: does this you know we had him? I think on
Speaker 1: my on my board going in he was number forty
Speaker 1: nine overall, so a top fifty pick. Do you move
Speaker 1: him down a little bit? Do you still feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with him there? It's it's definitely a conversation with numbers
Speaker 1: like that. What bothers you more is it the time, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, eight to eight, I know it's historically bad.
Speaker 1: When you really watch it, though, does it not look
Speaker 1: like a guy who's playing on an icehrink and he's
Speaker 1: just trying to keep his feet? Why can we do?
Speaker 1: Can we do a makeup pro day? Brought you? We're
Speaker 1: talking about this night. You said Terrell Suggs had a
Speaker 1: makeup pro day? Let him run a thirty eight? Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: See that's what I'm saying Forget to turn your watching.
Speaker 1: You get it. You get in a situation where you
Speaker 1: have guys, we have guys that you that you you know,
Speaker 1: they're trying so hard to get a time, to get
Speaker 1: a time where you feel good about. And I remember Sugs.
Speaker 1: I completely remember Sugs on that day. They kept running
Speaker 1: him at Arizona State and he never got fast, he
Speaker 1: never got femist. And I mean literally, you're spending hundreds
Speaker 1: of nine hundreds thousands of dollars to go out to
Speaker 1: Tempe to try and time this guy. He still went
Speaker 1: in the top ten. Isn't that the opposite of don't
Speaker 1: window dress your board? Like if a guy runs a
Speaker 1: time that you hate, but you're just like, just keep going.
Speaker 1: It's because of the film. It's because of the film.
Speaker 1: It's because of the film. You do this, you get
Speaker 1: pissed off at a guy because you're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: your film is better than that. You want everything to
Speaker 1: be like okay, like sweat. And by the way, we
Speaker 1: need to get into sweat. We need to get into
Speaker 1: sweat about that because you've done research. I've done research.
Speaker 1: We need to talk about this medical condition with sweat.
Speaker 1: But you get guys where everything just kind of goes perfectly.
Speaker 1: He has a good season, he goes the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: looks good at the Senior Bowl, it goes to combat,
Speaker 1: looks great at the comp. You want that the tape
Speaker 1: you're like looking, oh yeah, I mean it's not easy scout,
Speaker 1: don't don't get me wrong, but but you live for
Speaker 1: those those players. It's like it all makes sense to you.
Speaker 1: Those numbers worry more or does it worry you more
Speaker 1: that a lot of this production was happening against UTEP
Speaker 1: and God rest a Soul, North Texas my alma mater,
Speaker 1: or Southern miss because to me, you see him do it,
Speaker 1: tell SU, you see him do it to Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: That's definitely it's not a finish. When you when you
Speaker 1: watch the LSU game Mississippi State you're going, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: running the same I'm watching Polite and all these other
Speaker 1: guys run around LSU and you know those guys. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it helps me to see that kind of
Speaker 1: a competition with the guy. It's also an example of
Speaker 1: the NFL kind of screwing him over not being able
Speaker 1: to go to the combs. Yes, he knew he had
Speaker 1: one shot one pro day to get this right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's a good point. And I'm not saying he's
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna run you know, a six eight three
Speaker 1: cone at the combine, But knowing that, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna run eight oh eight, right exactly. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think he might have been better. That's
Speaker 1: a bigger story about the guy now. And well that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like he kind of got screwed over
Speaker 1: a little bit because a fight five years ago, and
Speaker 1: McDonald's like, you know, it's not something that should have
Speaker 1: precluded him from attending the combine. So it's it's really
Speaker 1: interesting because yeah, when you watched actually watched the three cone,
Speaker 1: it does not really help you determine make a determination
Speaker 1: because he was so stiff. Yeah, first of all, if
Speaker 1: you're doing those times and testing, why even do the drill.
Speaker 1: I'd rather take a zero and say I just I'm
Speaker 1: not ready for you. I'm not ready for the drill. Right, No,
Speaker 1: that sounds bad, but an eight o eight is worse advice.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure why you did the drill. And
Speaker 1: then at the pro day to begin with, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: talk about Montest Sweat from Mississippi State. Here is a
Speaker 1: very talented A lot of people have talked about him
Speaker 1: as potentially a top maybe fifteen pick in this draft.
Speaker 1: After the combine, you went from saying maybe top fifteen
Speaker 1: to maybe the top ten. Just and then the medical
Speaker 1: news came out about heart condition. Get into what you've
Speaker 1: kind of learned from some teams. Yeah, and it's funny.
Speaker 1: I was tipped tipped off about this last week, and
Speaker 1: you know, you and I both did some research, and
Speaker 1: in the process of our research, Ian Rappaport from NFL
Speaker 1: Network had the report. Um, but it's basically the same
Speaker 1: thing that happened with our Michigan guy last year. Art right, Uh,
Speaker 1: kind of an enlargement. Um. There's you know, just concerns
Speaker 1: about you know, yearly routine checkups. But a few big
Speaker 1: differences between him and Hurst. First, he was allowed to
Speaker 1: work out at the combine, which is a big part
Speaker 1: of this, Like if the doctors they sent Hurst home
Speaker 1: to get more testing, with Sweat us a lot to
Speaker 1: work out. That's a big thing. No prior issues episodes,
Speaker 1: uh with with Sweat. That's a big difference between him
Speaker 1: and Hearst. And just reaching out the teams talking to them,
Speaker 1: you get to you heard the same two words low risky.
Speaker 1: It came to Sweat. So it's something that's on the
Speaker 1: raid or something're worried about. But I don't think it's
Speaker 1: going to be something that drops him. Now, maybe he
Speaker 1: goes from being you know, the fifth or the eighth
Speaker 1: pick to being the tenth or the twelfth pick, right,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's going to be something that
Speaker 1: drops him. You know, a dozen twenty swats in the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a I had a team tell me and
Speaker 1: I'll just I'm reading here off of my message. The
Speaker 1: difference is Sweat has had no episodes or his family
Speaker 1: has no episodes. Yeah, this team told me they have
Speaker 1: Sweat team is a low risk whereas Hearst was off
Speaker 1: their board. He has an he has had an episode,
Speaker 1: uh and a legit blockage. Sweat will need to your
Speaker 1: yearly checkups. So that's that's kind of where they're at
Speaker 1: right now with with all that information. So I think
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a positive thing. I think
Speaker 1: when that when that news first came out, I was
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned because again I was cheering for
Speaker 1: the player he had. Nobody nobody's had a nobody's had
Speaker 1: a better nobody's had a better uh, I think lead
Speaker 1: up to the draft and this guy, we get one
Speaker 1: or two of these heart stories every year. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: it just shows you. Yeah, I'm happy to hear that
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean, you know, Hurst was a guy
Speaker 1: we talked about at nineteen for the first month of
Speaker 1: the draft cycle, and he was a fifth round pick
Speaker 1: because of that, and he started double digit games for
Speaker 1: the Raiders and had a fairly good rookie seasons. The
Speaker 1: Raiders will tell you that he was their best draft
Speaker 1: pick yep, which and we were very critically surprised anybody
Speaker 1: if he was now to play. No, we were very
Speaker 1: critical of that draft. So hopefully this doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: impact Sweat in any big way. I don't think it will.
Speaker 1: If you like Sweat coming in, I think you still
Speaker 1: like them. Us really the only blemish on a really
Speaker 1: impressive pre draft process for him from the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: or the Combine. I mean Montes Sweat and a Missisippi
Speaker 1: States Pro day coming up next week that'll be heavily
Speaker 1: attended with Jeffrey Simmons working out for the first time
Speaker 1: in front of scouts and teams, So a chance for
Speaker 1: teams to have more interaction with Montez and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe take him out to dinner and taking out the
Speaker 1: breakfast and find out more about him. Yeah, that's like say,
Speaker 1: these scouts and Octor since that's the great thing about
Speaker 1: the Combine. We talk about the you know what it's
Speaker 1: all about. It's the interviews, and it's also about the
Speaker 1: medical I mean, that's that will always be the most
Speaker 1: important thing about the Combine. Every single year. I'll never
Speaker 1: forget my jay Ji heartbreak either. Yeah, every single year.
Speaker 1: Fans still hate me for that one. But you know,
Speaker 1: he fell to the fifth round for a reason, and
Speaker 1: you know, good for him. He's able to carve out,
Speaker 1: you know, an NFL career up to this point. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the knee that coming out was an issue
Speaker 1: and so and they're probably there's probably a medical issue
Speaker 1: we haven't heard of yet with this draft class. Uh,
Speaker 1: that will come out here the next few weeks about
Speaker 1: a player, whether it's you know, knee or something else
Speaker 1: going on with a player that is going to drop
Speaker 1: them down. It's gonna take them off draft forwards. It's
Speaker 1: just an unfortunate part of playing a very violent physical sport.
Speaker 1: That's a segment right there is which college fan base
Speaker 1: hate you the most because of your draft takes. There's
Speaker 1: some texts seems to go out to you, right, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you a foreman. Yeah, oh man, that's right. They
Speaker 1: did go after you. It was a good running back class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: says you have to fall you can't. Yeah, absolutely, okay,
Speaker 1: so the sky so to put a bow on this
Speaker 1: though with the pro day stuff, you know, if the
Speaker 1: tape is the tape, it's the tape, right, Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? If the tape is the tape, it's that's
Speaker 1: the tape. In a weird way, that does make sense.
Speaker 1: You're a philosopher, king. Pro days are the same thing
Speaker 1: as the combines. Just it's a cross checking exercise. It has,
Speaker 1: you know, make sure it matches up with what you
Speaker 1: saw on the tape. If it doesn't, you go back
Speaker 1: at the tape and Okay, you know ed, did I
Speaker 1: miss something? Okay, I didn't. He's still a really good
Speaker 1: player on tape. I'm gonna trust that. So that's all
Speaker 1: it is. And it's uh, it's something that there's a
Speaker 1: reason these teams are deployed to every single Pro day
Speaker 1: around the country, whether it's you know, a big one
Speaker 1: like Alabama or Louisiana Lafayette. So you know, there's a
Speaker 1: reason they go to all these pro days, get these times,
Speaker 1: meet these players. It's just another step in the process. Okay,
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Speaker 1: and it's time for Twitter on the Twine, Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty. Take it away, Tiny Jamans, Any boy love that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get right into it. Daniel Buchanan wants to know.
Speaker 1: He says, are we we being the cowboys? Are we
Speaker 1: on the wrong path of what running back? They are
Speaker 1: looking forward to pair with Zeke? They had Rod Smith,
Speaker 1: and they drafted Bo Scarborough. Who's going to be on
Speaker 1: their radar for those types of backs? Talk about the
Speaker 1: bigger Yeah, Which that's an interesting point. I mean, we
Speaker 1: know the cowboys they want a real back. I'm talking
Speaker 1: to folks. They need running back depth, I think there's
Speaker 1: a misconception that they're looking for purely scatbacks because that's
Speaker 1: what they were looking for last year, right, although don't
Speaker 1: you I mean, they could use both, right, they could.
Speaker 1: They need they need a complete back, but they could
Speaker 1: use a scat back to It just sounds like to
Speaker 1: me that they're more interested in the complete back that
Speaker 1: they realize what happened to Zeke Lash. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not never. It's not great to take Zeke off the
Speaker 1: field at any point in time, but I think they
Speaker 1: even realized by the end of the season that the
Speaker 1: wear and tear had just had taken too much of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yet you have a defense not getting a break.
Speaker 1: Garyo tackle a big load. Now, this was not official,
Speaker 1: but there was reports in the last couple of days
Speaker 1: that the other Ohio State running back, Mike Webb, Mike Weber,
Speaker 1: would be a visit. Now, again, not official or anything. Hum,
Speaker 1: we'll have that for another day. Well, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: make it official no matter what. So that's up to us.
Speaker 1: But you say things on Twitter and you got let's
Speaker 1: find out about the player. Yeah, okay, speaking at real quickly, Okay,
Speaker 1: shoot me a scouting report on Mike Webber, and then
Speaker 1: I want you to I want you to follow up
Speaker 1: on your scouting report on Mike Webon numbers I have
Speaker 1: on five O nine five to eleven four four four.
Speaker 1: Didn't really see the four four four much to me.
Speaker 1: Didn't see a guy who ran with a lot of vision.
Speaker 1: But you did see a guy who like, here's the hole.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get what's there. I'm not gonna make you
Speaker 1: miss very much. But if it's there for me, and
Speaker 1: this offensive line can create hold, if it's there for me,
Speaker 1: I'll take the seven yards and there it is, you
Speaker 1: know exactly. No, I think that, Yeah, that sums him up.
Speaker 1: He's he's not explosive, but he's quick, right, and I
Speaker 1: think he shows at least the baseline traits of what
Speaker 1: you're looking for in a blocker and a receiver. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's above average neither of those categories,
Speaker 1: but I think I think average would be fair. But
Speaker 1: he's not the biggest guy, which you worry about in
Speaker 1: pass pro. But when they threw it to him, he
Speaker 1: didn't okay catching the ball. I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: I view Mike Webber as a diamond. Does him back.
Speaker 1: I kind of thought the same thing when I stuck
Speaker 1: him down there in the sixth round, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't, you know, And I know that's
Speaker 1: right where in the Cowboys would probably like to You've
Speaker 1: got it. You've got a great way of evaluating and
Speaker 1: I like it, and I think that more people should
Speaker 1: use it. The five six, you know, think and it's
Speaker 1: not right in the fence, you're really saying okay, late five,
Speaker 1: early six is where you're instead of just saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he's a sixth round guy. You know, I kind of
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I mean, I've always been
Speaker 1: from the theory of put him in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: put him in the fourth round. I do like the
Speaker 1: way you could split a guy. But you could say,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel good about him as compared to
Speaker 1: the other fifth round running backs, but he's really closer
Speaker 1: to a But I don't want to bury him down there.
Speaker 1: But this guy, to me is like a six round player.
Speaker 1: You nailed him Kat and then Dane over the top
Speaker 1: with you know, to make it finish it off, Let's
Speaker 1: let's knock out all the running back talk with the
Speaker 1: follow up from Dusty, who makes the astute observation. He
Speaker 1: says the Cowboys have gone after almost every position of
Speaker 1: needs so far in free agency except for a backup
Speaker 1: running back. They seem to want to draft instead. He
Speaker 1: wants to know what round Are you comfortable doing that?
Speaker 1: But I want to add a caveat on top of that,
Speaker 1: which is to say, do you think they will go
Speaker 1: into the draft with just what they've got right now,
Speaker 1: which is basically Zeke, Darius Jackson and Jamaz Olah Walle
Speaker 1: or do you think they will add a guy before
Speaker 1: they go in. I think they're I think they're gonna draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I personally think they're gonna draft. So you don't think
Speaker 1: they bring in any type of veteran at all? I
Speaker 1: would be I don't get that vibe. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: you know, we've kat studied backs. Dane study bag, we've
Speaker 1: all studied backs. It goes it kind of goes against
Speaker 1: the philosophy though. I mean, even if it's not a
Speaker 1: high need, you're going into the draft going they kind
Speaker 1: of think that Ola Wally could be like a single
Speaker 1: back runner. That's kind of what I worry about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, Jamays can do it. If we
Speaker 1: don't get the guy with well, they think you could
Speaker 1: be a better Rod Smith's the guys. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: all for I'm all for waiting on the draft, especially
Speaker 1: at the running back position. Get a young kid, yes,
Speaker 1: let him come in and be a contributor and let
Speaker 1: him work his way up the depth charge. That's the
Speaker 1: one position I feel like that you can bring a
Speaker 1: rookie in and he has success. I mean, you got
Speaker 1: everybody else, get an All Pro in front of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think it's part of that question. Anywhere on
Speaker 1: the third day, I'd be fine with the running back.
Speaker 1: If you want to use the comp pick in the
Speaker 1: fourth round at the right running at Bryce Love is
Speaker 1: there and that's who you want, I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 1: I will say, okay, Yeah, I think if you want
Speaker 1: him to be a significant upgrade over what you could
Speaker 1: sign off of the free agency heap right now, it
Speaker 1: probably needs to be a fourth round pick. Sure. Probably
Speaker 1: this thing's got some stretch to it, though running back
Speaker 1: always does. I'm just I know that, and I know
Speaker 1: you can find talent anywhere, but just using recency bias,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the world of the areas Jackson,
Speaker 1: but he has not made an impact for this team.
Speaker 1: He was kind of hopeful after I saw the Giants
Speaker 1: game last year that it would be a little bit
Speaker 1: better there. Yeah, and it really I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: see anything special there. And obviously you know, big, big
Speaker 1: name guy, but bo Scarborough didn't even make the team, right,
Speaker 1: So i'man you know, if you really I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you really want to assure yourself that this guy
Speaker 1: could make a difference quickly, the sooner the better, real
Speaker 1: quick here, bear on, go ahead, make your point. I'm sorry. Well,
Speaker 1: I say we know this team likes Boise State players.
Speaker 1: Alexander Madison isn't a name on Day three to keep
Speaker 1: an eye on. He's a reliable pass catcher out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. I'm a big fan of him. Jalen Moore
Speaker 1: from app State, I'm a big fan of his as well.
Speaker 1: So I think this running back to Brian's point, this
Speaker 1: running back position will stretch. There will be plenty of
Speaker 1: options on Day three. Uh, and that's where I would
Speaker 1: target my running Yeah. A lot of guys, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys and gals here are on the on the
Speaker 1: periscope saying they're talking names like Henderson, Montgomery, They're kind
Speaker 1: of thinking third fourth round right now, David Montgomery feels
Speaker 1: way too rich for this team. Yeah, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not drifting and running back in the top one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five picks and those guys are off the
Speaker 1: board the top one twenty five, I think, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I'd be honestly, I'd be surprised if
Speaker 1: they go anywhere but defense on day two. I even
Speaker 1: even tight end, I'd be surprised. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: go defense, defense on day two, and then into the
Speaker 1: fourth round, that's where they start talking about running back,
Speaker 1: start talking about if the right receiver is there, even
Speaker 1: though with Randall Cobb now in the mix, not as
Speaker 1: much of a need, if the right tight end is there,
Speaker 1: even some offensive line death guard maybe yeah, exactly so,
Speaker 1: But on day two, bronze two and three, I'd be
Speaker 1: surprised if it's anything. But do you agree with him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I absolutely do. I hate you, and you know I
Speaker 1: have you in I'm like I did hey before he agreed,
Speaker 1: but I don't like it. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: like a one year, five million dollar deal like affect
Speaker 1: how I draft very often, But I do think that
Speaker 1: alleviated so much for them to go really attack. We
Speaker 1: got a coach, coach in his final year, so you're saying,
Speaker 1: of this contract it's all in, then they're gonna build
Speaker 1: up the defense debo. Samuel is going to visit here, David,
Speaker 1: that's what I heard that that could be. You know,
Speaker 1: it's covering your bases. Although that's it's so's Tyler rap.
Speaker 1: What does that tell you? Taylor? Taylor, God darn it,
Speaker 1: I wrote about that cat guy. I wrote about it
Speaker 1: this week is what I mess up names so bad.
Speaker 1: The list isn't long enough right now, but as the
Speaker 1: thirty list starts to take shape, we'll have a really
Speaker 1: good idea. Because you remember two years ago they only
Speaker 1: brought two offensive players and pass rushers. In corn was
Speaker 1: the pass rusher in dB parade like this, the only
Speaker 1: guys they wanted to talk to. Sure, and that's just
Speaker 1: it was Taco and then Corners on day two. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think no, I mean, Dave's exactly right. Once we
Speaker 1: we know about I don't know, just a fraction of
Speaker 1: the top thirty list right now. Once we just get
Speaker 1: the full list, we'll get ready, so it'll really help us.
Speaker 1: But I think we know pretty early on it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of safeties. It's gonna be some defensive linemen,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see those guys on day to safeties
Speaker 1: dbs well, no, sorry, safeties, d linemen, um receivers and
Speaker 1: running back. Okay, let me let me ask you a
Speaker 1: question then, Guys, if if you're new to the draft
Speaker 1: show and you're just kind of checking him out for
Speaker 1: the first time and you really don't know really much
Speaker 1: about what's going on the draft, what positions for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are you telling you tell him to go go
Speaker 1: study as much as you can on safeties and defensive ends,
Speaker 1: ends and tackles. Yeah, especially you know, we'll see if
Speaker 1: you know, they make another addition here, another pass rushing
Speaker 1: uh my trade for one year, right, we'll see if
Speaker 1: that happens. And if it does, then much more likely
Speaker 1: they go dB. But and the running back position, in
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, both those positions will stretch. So
Speaker 1: as much as I love Deebo Samuel, I feel you're
Speaker 1: killing his dream right now. Hey give me penny heart
Speaker 1: in the fourth round or you know, I feel really
Speaker 1: good about who I can get in the fourth round
Speaker 1: Compared to you know, the safety you can get in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. Give me Taylor Rap h. Don't let
Speaker 1: me say his name, do you cat? You know maybe
Speaker 1: if Taylor Rap starts, if he's available, when you start
Speaker 1: talking about trading, no segue, let me let me up
Speaker 1: at this. That's my segment, Dann, Which is a great
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great point, Ross says Taylor.
Speaker 1: Taylor Rap and Jonathan Abram. Those are the two safeties
Speaker 1: that we've talked about endlessly. I think you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to go up this well, so that's the question. Are
Speaker 1: they realistic options of fifty eight or do you have
Speaker 1: to trade up? I guarantee you This question is born
Speaker 1: out of Dane listing Rap as his twenty ninth overall player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think Abram's like thirty seven something like that,
Speaker 1: so killing me. He just killed Kat's dream. If you
Speaker 1: need it, go go get it. But whoa but twenty
Speaker 1: twenty third round pick. Let's not if you trade. If
Speaker 1: you trade a third round pick, it's gonna get you
Speaker 1: probably thirteen spots. Probably it's gonna get you up into
Speaker 1: the forty five area. Who's doing that deal for next
Speaker 1: year's pick? Though? Huhh, I mean, who who needs you
Speaker 1: gotta find the teams? I guess theoretically, when you trade
Speaker 1: a future pick, it's you drop around. So next year's
Speaker 1: three is really like a fourth this year. So you
Speaker 1: have to keep that in mind if you're making tough
Speaker 1: if you're making that deal in the picks a second,
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna want to hold off a year on a pete.
Speaker 1: What you just said, and I like it, say it again.
Speaker 1: When you trade future picks in future years, you have
Speaker 1: to really drop around to get to try to figure
Speaker 1: out the value. So if you trade a third round
Speaker 1: or next year, it's really like trading a fourth rounder
Speaker 1: this year. It is so a lot of people. That's
Speaker 1: how teams view it. Yeah, okay, but even with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys team who's picking fairly late in the third round, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think if I'm a team and I'm taking
Speaker 1: that trade, I would bet on them not doing better
Speaker 1: than what they did this year, and that that's fair.
Speaker 1: That goes into the thing we did with Buffalo that
Speaker 1: one year we finished, we got the tenth and they
Speaker 1: their pick was worth twenty. Yeah. But even still though,
Speaker 1: if you're on the clock, that means that you there's
Speaker 1: a guy there that you love more likely than not.
Speaker 1: And so you're saying, all right, I'm gonna go away
Speaker 1: from this guy. What are you giving me for it?
Speaker 1: And so who's who's gonna say, Yeah, it's gonna hurt
Speaker 1: a little bit, I'm happy. I'm happy giving up this
Speaker 1: player that I really like and I won't get to
Speaker 1: use another pick until next year. Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's super realistic. The idea is to have ten guys
Speaker 1: that you like and then let them fall toy teams
Speaker 1: like New England. They're like, come on, just bring bring,
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you an example of the team, it
Speaker 1: says next year. Yeah, sure, an example of a team
Speaker 1: that operates like no other in the league. But then
Speaker 1: you're asking how much better is Rapping Abram than Thornhill
Speaker 1: or Gardner Johnson or whoever you know? Yeah, Savage, are
Speaker 1: you going to be heartbroken when you know you draft
Speaker 1: a safety like want Thornhill at fifty eight as opposed
Speaker 1: to trading up for a rapper an Abram? How does
Speaker 1: that you know sit with you? Can you sleep at
Speaker 1: night without day Thompson? So we don't feel good at
Speaker 1: a risk injury. They're trying to fix ye, we'll see
Speaker 1: supposed to run hopefully April second set. We don't. We
Speaker 1: don't feel good about either Taylor Rap or Jonathan Abram
Speaker 1: being available at fifty eight. Now it would be a
Speaker 1: big surprise. Okay, something has to happen. The gas mask
Speaker 1: has to appear. Surprise if they fell out of top fifty,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, if we're okay, if they're there at fifty,
Speaker 1: then what happens all this thing? Ever, I remember you're
Speaker 1: sitting there like, here's a here's another. This is related,
Speaker 1: This is related to I really like this. This is
Speaker 1: a smart question. I think y'all tell he got smart followers.
Speaker 1: Joey says, I know Chris Richard likes his cornerbacks to
Speaker 1: be a certain size, right, but how does like, does
Speaker 1: he discriminate against salt small safeties or what is his
Speaker 1: prototype for his safety? We don't talk about that, and
Speaker 1: he mentions Darnell Savage uh and wonders if like that
Speaker 1: fits within the archetype. I don't know the answer to this.
Speaker 1: There's a good question. Yeah, because Earl Thomas is not
Speaker 1: a super big guy. Camp he had both extremes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Thomas and Chancellor. He I mean he loves Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: and Xavier Woods is by no means a big guy.
Speaker 1: Uh that I don't know. Y'all shed some light on
Speaker 1: this Phonekay Thompson five ten six, like one kind of thing, right,
Speaker 1: said kind we're talking about Ante Thompson. No DONELLD Savage.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Savage. Yeah, yeah, and he's he played corner
Speaker 1: earlier in his career. I mean he's basically the size
Speaker 1: of a corner. Yeah. Guy, he's a good player though.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy from Maryland man watch Joiner type. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's got no problem smooth moving. He
Speaker 1: is a smooth, smooth guy. Just looking at my notes
Speaker 1: and seven and I remember yourself the top of my head.
Speaker 1: How I mean the ball would go to the corner
Speaker 1: and he was chasing and moving, I mean instant speed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has no sixty. He's got no problem carrying, guys,
Speaker 1: he really does. How much more do you like Savage
Speaker 1: than I've got Savage ahead of the guys I'm about
Speaker 1: to mention, but then gant red Wine, you know so,
Speaker 1: and then those are way different players, right, I've got
Speaker 1: a third on Savage, which he could even go. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want Savage. Youre taking a fifty eight. Um. Wow,
Speaker 1: I've got Gant, He's not wrong. Three four um or
Speaker 1: who else? Oh? Red Wine, I've got a five six
Speaker 1: on him. I'm not a big gat You could hypothetically
Speaker 1: get at ninety if you want. Jonathan Zipper is Marshall right,
Speaker 1: But I think I don't. I'm not convinced that Gaant's
Speaker 1: going to be necessarily a long term starter where I
Speaker 1: feel better about Savage being a starter in this league.
Speaker 1: To okay, to answer today, to try to answer Joey's question,
Speaker 1: I don't think size matters so much in turn, but
Speaker 1: what do these guys do? So can it seems like
Speaker 1: it's more important a corner for him than it does Yeah, safety,
Speaker 1: But can Darnell Savage play in the box, because I
Speaker 1: would imagine that's what they're looking for, which I know
Speaker 1: they typically are talking like when you talk about safeties,
Speaker 1: you're like Candy Cover. But have you seen him? Yes?
Speaker 1: I think I think this team is in love with
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods as free safety of the future should be
Speaker 1: no and yeah, no, I have no problem with that. So,
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is, if they're looking for a
Speaker 1: safety in this draft, I would bet it's going to
Speaker 1: be a guy who's good in the box. I think
Speaker 1: I think Savage. When I saw him, he wrapped up
Speaker 1: as a tackler when he had to. I didn't see
Speaker 1: anything that led me to believe that he was a
Speaker 1: coward by any means. He's not a coward. But I
Speaker 1: do think don't to see faster when he's when he's
Speaker 1: coming down. Yeah, and I do worry about just the
Speaker 1: finishing strength, point of attack strength, in terms of taking
Speaker 1: on blocks and shedding. Like I there will be some
Speaker 1: issues there, Like he's he'll do a better job of
Speaker 1: avoiding those blocks because so quick. Sure, but if he
Speaker 1: gets locked up with a tight end on the edge,
Speaker 1: tight End's probably gonna win. And no, that's just to
Speaker 1: Dave's point. If they're looking for more of a box guy,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's gonna necessarily fit. I think he
Speaker 1: is more Darnold Savage is more of the the nickel
Speaker 1: free safety, the guy that's you're a matchup guy because
Speaker 1: that's speed and athleticism. Yeah, if you look at Rap
Speaker 1: and Abraham, two guys safety as we know they're interested in.
Speaker 1: Those guys are more of the box variety, strong safety.
Speaker 1: They've got some you know, they can play a little
Speaker 1: bit in pass coverage too, but they are you know,
Speaker 1: you put them down towards a line of scribbage, they're
Speaker 1: gonna hold hold their own. Just okay. How about Adderly? Then?
Speaker 1: Why do we never talk about him classic Senior Bowl?
Speaker 1: Bump talked about him for three weeks because he was
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and he kind of well, we
Speaker 1: never talked about him as one of those guys we
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be there. Yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, is he he was a he
Speaker 1: was a converted corner, right, he played well? He played
Speaker 1: safety in high school, played corners first two years of Delaware.
Speaker 1: Than safety has final tears, right we I mean he's
Speaker 1: very widely seen as a first round, if not top
Speaker 1: forty pick. I think he's a top forty guy and
Speaker 1: he but he's no chance that Rap or Stake goes
Speaker 1: ahead of him. Oh no, there's a chance, certainly, I
Speaker 1: think so. But with Adderley, I mean I think he's where.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's getting paut of the top forty.
Speaker 1: I think Abram and Rap could get out of the
Speaker 1: top forty potentially. But these safety is at the top. Again,
Speaker 1: it's what you want. If you want he is he is.
Speaker 1: If you want that single high safety, Adderly is your guy.
Speaker 1: If you want Rap to do a little bit more,
Speaker 1: a little more versatility both, yeah, exactly. And with Abram,
Speaker 1: he's your physical you know, as a bullet across the field,
Speaker 1: just gonna help you on special teams. So each one
Speaker 1: of these safeties brings something a little different, just depends
Speaker 1: on scheme and the style of safety you're looking for.
Speaker 1: Quick Pole, this team doesn't have a first round pick
Speaker 1: if I don't care if it's Rap, Abram, whoever. But
Speaker 1: let's just say to get your top safety on the board,
Speaker 1: bat most badass safety in your opinion, and you're comfortable
Speaker 1: giving up your third and basically that guy's your only
Speaker 1: meaningful pick of this draft. How does that strike you?
Speaker 1: It's basically as Lawrence, Yeah, you know, except you got
Speaker 1: Zack Martin in that draft too. You're not You're not
Speaker 1: gonna say get me Robert Quinn and then we'll go
Speaker 1: from there, because that means we're fully going for it,
Speaker 1: because we gave up a picking next year's draft for
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, and then I would say, let's go you
Speaker 1: know what, do you like one of these safeties enough
Speaker 1: to do that rap? You would trade your third away
Speaker 1: to get right? Yes, okay, I would. Because of all
Speaker 1: my pet cat guys of the eleven I had to
Speaker 1: write about yesterday, he's my best pet cat. I think
Speaker 1: you could do so much with him. I think he's
Speaker 1: got some rare ability. I love how smart he is.
Speaker 1: You you're you've talked about that defense. I love tackles.
Speaker 1: I think he could play up. I think he could
Speaker 1: play back. I think he's gonna be a guy. It's
Speaker 1: gonna play for a long, long long time. He's got
Speaker 1: that demeanor, he's got toughness to him, and I just
Speaker 1: there's something about that that I really and that's why
Speaker 1: I do it, just because I felt like if I
Speaker 1: get better up the middle of the thing, I don't
Speaker 1: think getting I think adding Earl Thomas necessarily makes you better.
Speaker 1: Does that sound crazy? Yes? It does. It sounds insane,
Speaker 1: not Earl Thomas. I'm sorry, Uh, Eric Berry, big difference, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I wanted. I'm sorry, Eric Barry. Still sounds a little crazy.
Speaker 1: But why because he's a I mean when he plays
Speaker 1: I say, that's that's the big But again, he said
Speaker 1: the same thing about Earl. Then if you're signing, if
Speaker 1: you're signing Eric Barry, it's for an affordable price. So
Speaker 1: does Eric Berry play the same position as Xavier Woods?
Speaker 1: Typically he has, but I think he could do both.
Speaker 1: Are you going to play him down? Yeah? I lean
Speaker 1: more towards with Brian said, as much as it kills
Speaker 1: me to give up a third round pick, we have
Speaker 1: to remember that third round pick is a late third
Speaker 1: round pick. No, yeah, it's not like it's not a
Speaker 1: top seventy five pick, which not top eighty. What scares
Speaker 1: me is if you were going to do that deal,
Speaker 1: you would need your guy to fall a little way.
Speaker 1: It's because like you're not You're not jumping up to
Speaker 1: thirty five with pick nine, like you're not doing Tyler
Speaker 1: Raps still available at forty five. You said Tyler too,
Speaker 1: did really? You did well to go for Ruse. Come on, guys,
Speaker 1: that's my brother. My brother's name is Thrill. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: your parents like that, BB. Yeah, but now I'm trading
Speaker 1: my third rounder to go up and get mister Rapp.
Speaker 1: So I just say the name. Now, I don't I
Speaker 1: would sign, I would sign Barry and try to get
Speaker 1: another one. But that's just me Barry in the same position.
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Speaker 1: you're famous for this on one oh five three the Fan.
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Speaker 1: with some draft content as well. What do you got
Speaker 1: for me today? Kat Well, I was thinking this would
Speaker 1: be a good opportunity. I'm gonna be girl selfish here
Speaker 1: and help myself out here. I've got a game called
Speaker 1: What Am I Missing? So if I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a player that I've watched and I feel like I've
Speaker 1: either heard you guys or the rest of the world
Speaker 1: be higher on than I am. Yeah, I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: you guys can help me out because or maybe I
Speaker 1: just need to have more confidence than trust myself. You're
Speaker 1: like kind of a contrary guy too. I feel like
Speaker 1: like every night I fire up Twitter at like ten
Speaker 1: thirty eleven, and you're just out there just spouting off
Speaker 1: some of the hot takes when he watches film and
Speaker 1: then the midnight tweets. Grab a sandwich, just sitting down
Speaker 1: and he will give you some midnight heat. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: learned long ago to hey, what you're thinking, go with it?
Speaker 1: This guy as a group think you're watching these players
Speaker 1: for a reason, twees, no matter whatever else? There you
Speaker 1: got Isaiah Bugs, defensive tackle Alabama. Um I have him
Speaker 1: with a Day three, fourth round grade. Okay, um, I
Speaker 1: did not see a guy who was quick enough to
Speaker 1: really go make plays. I know he's probably just gonna
Speaker 1: be a space eater. I'm wondering. Am I missing something here?
Speaker 1: I know he he had double digit sacks here? Hit
Speaker 1: me all right? I one day he did not see
Speaker 1: anything other than the fact that he played for Alabama.
Speaker 1: When I watched that guy, when I watched him play
Speaker 1: affs sometimes? Is he hurt? Is he sometimes not moving? Well?
Speaker 1: What's happened when he runs? So? Iy? Nothing that gets
Speaker 1: a big pooh here? But can you help me out?
Speaker 1: I think that he doesn't. There's nothing about him that
Speaker 1: says like he doesn't have a dominant trait. There's nothing
Speaker 1: about him that says okay, like you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hang my hat on this one trait that he has,
Speaker 1: whether it's quickness or power or instincts or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: I think he's just kind of average all around, and
Speaker 1: he saw it. I have at three four on him. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm not completely too different than you're You're there,
Speaker 1: like when I was mapping up my top one hundred
Speaker 1: like he was in the nineties, I believe, um or
Speaker 1: eighties maybe. Uh So, Yeah, I was not all in,
Speaker 1: oh ninety eight overall top one hundred boar. So I'm
Speaker 1: not all in on him either. Um. And I was
Speaker 1: really disappointed with I liked his tape better than what
Speaker 1: he showed at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, he showed at
Speaker 1: the Combine. Sure, really disappointed why the pre draft process,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 1: with Kate. I'd lean more towards with Kate's either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I mean, I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people have talked about this guy pretty high, but when
Speaker 1: you're right, when you watch him on tape, you know,
Speaker 1: for a powerful guy, I think it's like a small
Speaker 1: area guy. It's just kind of like he takes on
Speaker 1: guys and you're thinking Okay, get rid of him and
Speaker 1: go go get to the ball. Everybody else in the
Speaker 1: Crimson Jersey is going to get to the football and
Speaker 1: you're kind of just stuck there killing grass. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just kind of playing. I think there's a lot of people, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people kat that like
Speaker 1: this guy. And I'm surprised again the folks, the scouts
Speaker 1: that like are watching the tape will tell you that
Speaker 1: maybe not so much, maybe not so much. So maybe
Speaker 1: you're not missing anything. Okay, maybe I'm not doing anything wrong. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people like this guy. A lot
Speaker 1: of the media scouts talk about this guy quite a bit.
Speaker 1: But I'm with Dane on this. I just don't think, then, Dave,
Speaker 1: I don't think the tape is nearly what the what
Speaker 1: the projection is on Gerald Willis or Isaiah Bugs. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have bugs great at higher Yeah, so do I
Speaker 1: see a Willis stand straight? Miami fans first, not happy
Speaker 1: with my comments on Willis. Willis as I talked to
Speaker 1: some coaches the same way with your comments. I mean
Speaker 1: not not happy. They're like, agree with you right always?
Speaker 1: Fans love that guy well at Sea he's got splash players,
Speaker 1: but his body of work is in it stands straight
Speaker 1: up the first move right up. And there's some I
Speaker 1: hate saying this, but there's some off there at that.
Speaker 1: Questions you've all got off the field? Questions, Katie, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. True that if you get kicked out
Speaker 1: of an SEC school, it's something that bears when you
Speaker 1: send your backup quarterback to the hospital. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just what I always know the details. Uh Dane does too, though. UM.
Speaker 1: Day three we did with Isaiah Bugs. Let's go, let's
Speaker 1: go to the first round, all right, Let's make this
Speaker 1: really all inclusive the entire world. Florida State fans come
Speaker 1: at me. I like Brian Burns. I do not like
Speaker 1: Brian Burns in the top twenty. What am I missing here?
Speaker 1: Defensive in Florida State? Brian Burns looks thick? Can you
Speaker 1: tell me he looks he's a third down player? Why
Speaker 1: does he look like he's a one iron? You're gonna
Speaker 1: be sick when he's a Green Bay packer, that's what
Speaker 1: you're telling him at twelve. No, I don't Ron Wolf
Speaker 1: made my dad. I don't know. I'm a believer in Burns.
Speaker 1: Um in what way. I think what he gives you
Speaker 1: pass rush value. Um, I think that in terms of
Speaker 1: point of attack strength, there's an issue. You saw it
Speaker 1: against Max Sharping Northern Illinois when Florida State went up
Speaker 1: against Northern Illinois and October Sharping had his way with Burns.
Speaker 1: Once he gets his hands on him, he's locked down.
Speaker 1: But with Burns. Yes, he doesn't need to get stronger
Speaker 1: and kind of fine tune some things. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel good about the quickness. I feel good about
Speaker 1: the athlete that he is. He's his length, first step explosion,
Speaker 1: and I think he has at least a baseline understanding
Speaker 1: of what he needs to do with his hands, you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's all there for him to grow into
Speaker 1: an impact pass rusher. And so yeah, I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he should be a top ten pick,
Speaker 1: but I feel comfortable with him as a top fifteen pick.
Speaker 1: You ever seen this guy, dave I have? I mean,
Speaker 1: I defer to y'all. I know he's on the light side,
Speaker 1: but like that, that doesn't bother me as much as
Speaker 1: I feel like it bothers other people. Like most college
Speaker 1: defensive ends, with few exceptions, are on the lighter side.
Speaker 1: I feel like DeMarcus Lawrence wasn't a big dude when
Speaker 1: he got here. Yeah, that's true, you that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what the weight rooms for. If you
Speaker 1: like you tell me, is he is he explosive? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a man. No, No, he is a flash guy.
Speaker 1: And fine, and yet let's go. But but I can
Speaker 1: say I don't always see a guy finished in plays.
Speaker 1: And I saw a guy that gets bounced. That bothers
Speaker 1: me when I see a guy, you know, some of
Speaker 1: these defensive ends. I mean, I know pass rushers are
Speaker 1: supposed to be slippery and all that, which he is,
Speaker 1: and you're right about playing with his hands, but he
Speaker 1: gets locked up. They're times he just cannot get away
Speaker 1: and that and that, I mean, you think of a
Speaker 1: guy that's kind of a slippery pass rusher, find a
Speaker 1: way not to let those those offensive tackles get their
Speaker 1: hands on you and he and he doesn't, and that
Speaker 1: that's a concern to me. I think I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a liability in the running game. And I
Speaker 1: think he's just going to be a guy that can
Speaker 1: only rush the pastor And maybe that's good enough. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that's good enough to be in the
Speaker 1: first round, where I really don't where do you have him?
Speaker 1: I have in the second round, And I think if
Speaker 1: you and at fifty eight, depending on who's the board,
Speaker 1: I might, I might, I would consider if I needed
Speaker 1: an end, But I just don't. I have a real
Speaker 1: real problem with how slender is. I don't think he
Speaker 1: could ever get any bigger, and I don't think he'll
Speaker 1: ever be able to play the run well enough to
Speaker 1: to he'll I think he'll be a liability play in
Speaker 1: the run and that worries me. The fact that he
Speaker 1: came inte over two hundred and fifty pounds at the combine,
Speaker 1: does that change anything for you? Now? I think he
Speaker 1: had to do that, sure, but he still worked out
Speaker 1: really really he did work out well. But I just
Speaker 1: I don't know if you We'll see if you could
Speaker 1: play that. Let's see if you could play that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I feel like and there's nothing. There's other guys.
Speaker 1: There's a ton of guys at this. I feel like
Speaker 1: round there's a you know, bust potential that's there with
Speaker 1: him that makes me wouldn't make me nervous if I
Speaker 1: was having a top twenty. There's a lot of bust
Speaker 1: potential at the top of this draft, whether you're talking
Speaker 1: about him or Gary's another one that seems like he
Speaker 1: terrifies people. Okay, for next, Rashaun Gary one am I missing?
Speaker 1: That's Rashaun Gary is a difficult one for sure because
Speaker 1: you're just you're banking on the traits that they're going
Speaker 1: to translate and they're gonna turn into something. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: you watch the tape and he's not setting up his
Speaker 1: passion USh moves. He doesn't have a consistent plan. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that's when he was on the field because he
Speaker 1: was hurt and just he didn't live up to the
Speaker 1: immense potential that he has. So do you bank on
Speaker 1: those traits and say, Okay, we're gonna coach the us
Speaker 1: out of him. There's also some talking to scouts, entitlement stuff,
Speaker 1: emotional maturity stuff, So there's a lot going on with Gary.
Speaker 1: He's a complicated prospect boomer bust. I think at his best,
Speaker 1: you're looking at a Cameron Jordan, you know, which is okay,
Speaker 1: you know you'll take that any day of the week.
Speaker 1: But again, that's if he reaches his potential. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of roadblocks that say, you know, he might
Speaker 1: not reach his potential. This sounds like a very much slider.
Speaker 1: This seems like a guy that everybody protict predicted as
Speaker 1: a top projected as a top five player, and he
Speaker 1: ends up at seventeen. He was at thirteen in my
Speaker 1: most recent mock to the Dolphins. So yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: certain possible. It could be teens. You know what. I
Speaker 1: think the guy could play as a three technique. I
Speaker 1: think he's actually better inside than knee is out. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I dang, it's not wrong about this guy.
Speaker 1: And again, it's one of those things. If you're a
Speaker 1: window dressing your board, you're window dressing. But this is
Speaker 1: a guy you window dressed with. I think because he's
Speaker 1: because people are thinking that he is a top that
Speaker 1: he's a top five player, and actuality he's not. He's
Speaker 1: a top five talent. You could argue, yeah, but but
Speaker 1: there's so many questions. I mean, do you want to
Speaker 1: take a guy that has that many questions about him?
Speaker 1: I'm most relieved that I don't have to stress about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys making a pick that high in this in
Speaker 1: this year's draft, because it's like I'll take Jerry Tillery
Speaker 1: at fifty eight with a bunch of questions. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not see that's what's gonna I guarantee the first I
Speaker 1: guarantee the first night of the draft. When he's taken,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the same discussion. Oh, certainly, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have the exact same discussion about hyeah uh, let's go offense.
Speaker 1: We haven't done offense. Show on this what am I missing?
Speaker 1: And Lord knows, there's a ton of wide receivers, But
Speaker 1: what am I missing on? And kill Harry? And to
Speaker 1: kill Harry of Arizona State. Dude, I'm I'm agreeing with
Speaker 1: basically every guy you're throwing out here. I think I'm
Speaker 1: fine with Burns, but the rest of these guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm worried about separation with and that's okay, and that
Speaker 1: that's those guys. I think tread Well is the guy
Speaker 1: who made me scared of all that. Treadwell is the guy,
Speaker 1: by the way, too, when he looked at his time
Speaker 1: what you talked about in the first segment, but at
Speaker 1: his time to go okay, don't even watch him again. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just not that. And I worry about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wanted to like him. I really wanted to like him.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my wide receivers. I've got him outside
Speaker 1: of my top ten wide receivers. He's the number six
Speaker 1: for me wide receiver. Um, you know, I think he's
Speaker 1: he's in the fifties on my top one hundred board.
Speaker 1: I like him. Yeah, kind of a lot of what
Speaker 1: you said, like a straight line player, Yeah, exactly. He
Speaker 1: wins more with physicality than um, you know, route savvy
Speaker 1: or route quickness. But you know, he could do it
Speaker 1: against PAC twelve corners where you know it's a crowded
Speaker 1: catch point. But he's physical, he's strong, and you know
Speaker 1: he maintains his focus even with a you know, wearing
Speaker 1: a dB as a backpack. But can you do that
Speaker 1: against NFL corners. It's a big difference between the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve and NFL. And didn't do it. Didn't do it
Speaker 1: against an NFL corner by the name of Byron Murphy. No,
Speaker 1: And that was a love Murphy. And it's tough because
Speaker 1: of that that offense. I mean, he didn't really do
Speaker 1: any favors with the quarterback Manny Wilkins. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like Harry somewhere on day two. But I have
Speaker 1: a lot of the same questions that you kind of
Speaker 1: pointed out, and I don't know how gladly I will
Speaker 1: gladly own my mistakes in my shortcomings, like I was
Speaker 1: in love with Laquon Treadwell. This like I'm not bashing
Speaker 1: this guy because of what happened with Treadwell, But I
Speaker 1: just think people are enamored with the Dez Bryant mold
Speaker 1: of receiver, and if you can find a guy that
Speaker 1: is that. I mean, Dez Bryant was amazing. If you
Speaker 1: can find that guy, it's great. But I don't think
Speaker 1: this guy on the periscope. Denario says he's this year's
Speaker 1: Juju Smith. That's a J Brown. To me, I think
Speaker 1: a Brown, Yeah, that that's a J Brown, this year's
Speaker 1: Juju from me with Nikkiel. But I do what's kind
Speaker 1: of in that same vein. I do think Nikkiel could
Speaker 1: be a big slot I think that might be actually
Speaker 1: be his best position, and he did it a little bit.
Speaker 1: He was more of the X in Arizona State's offense,
Speaker 1: but he also kicked inside in the slot, and that
Speaker 1: big slot position might actually be what fits him best.
Speaker 1: At the next level at least, I think he has
Speaker 1: a versatility to do both. You guys, I have heard
Speaker 1: you guys in the draft show mentioned this guy many times,
Speaker 1: and I get frustrated because I'm like, what am I
Speaker 1: missing on wide receiver from Auburn? Darius Slayton, a fast
Speaker 1: guy you talked to me two months ago. I would
Speaker 1: agree with a fat cat you're messing with on this
Speaker 1: side of the table. Brownison. I went back and watched him,
Speaker 1: and he sold us because he Yes, he has a
Speaker 1: straight line speed where he can win vertically, but he
Speaker 1: also has the straight line speed that owners have to respect,
Speaker 1: so they play off coverage and he destroys them on
Speaker 1: comebacks and underneath stuff, and then he has a little
Speaker 1: juice after the catch where he can make something happen. Now,
Speaker 1: does he need to get better finishing catches. Absolutely, He
Speaker 1: is not the most consistent, but I think he is.
Speaker 1: You know, remember Sammy Coates out of Auburn, Like, he's
Speaker 1: a much better player than that. Is similar in terms
Speaker 1: of skill set what they do best, but I think
Speaker 1: he's a much better player than that. He came in
Speaker 1: at number one hundred overall on my draft board, so
Speaker 1: you know, you know, a late third rounder, early fourth rounder.
Speaker 1: So I don't love him, love him, but I love
Speaker 1: him enough that on a bank on those traits somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred pick tell you what Dane
Speaker 1: way to go. I love you, man, I really do
Speaker 1: this to me, Katie. You watch the tape and he'll
Speaker 1: catch a simple route along the sidelines and everybody's got
Speaker 1: angles on him, and the next thing you know, he's
Speaker 1: handing the ball the official. Yeah he's gone. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a It is a five yard toe tap catch,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they forget to play defense
Speaker 1: and now it's like they're trying to rally, and now
Speaker 1: he's running past everybody rallying. You know, that's the kind
Speaker 1: of player this guy is. Is that the guy with
Speaker 1: the baton the football is the baton in his hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the four forty and we're in last place and
Speaker 1: he's now got the baton and he's going to finish
Speaker 1: this thing out to get us on the podium. Can
Speaker 1: you can you with physical cornerback can kind of throw
Speaker 1: him off a little bit? You know what, Baker the
Speaker 1: Georgia game a little bit right exactly. But I think
Speaker 1: Baker ate up a Samuel pretty well too though if
Speaker 1: you remember that. Yeah, Slaton six one ninety man, he's
Speaker 1: big enough. He's got long arms thirty two and three
Speaker 1: quarter inch arms where I think he's gonna grow and
Speaker 1: you know, be uh just fine against press so and
Speaker 1: because if you if you press him, you better win
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, because if you give up
Speaker 1: a step to him, he's gonna make you pay vertically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where do you all have this guy? I have? He's
Speaker 1: number one hundred overall on my board. So third round,
Speaker 1: third round, h pick ninety kind of hanging out at
Speaker 1: the back of the fourth for me. But that's okay.
Speaker 1: About ninety wide receivers and the four wide receivers overall. Oh,
Speaker 1: let's see about sixteen, I believe I'd say he's fifteen
Speaker 1: for men, Okay. So if I if I learned a
Speaker 1: lesson today is if I want Brian and Dane to
Speaker 1: agree about some stuff, just get Kat on the show
Speaker 1: because y'all are over here singing Kumbayath No no segment.
Speaker 1: It's funny because we watched tape together and he'll put
Speaker 1: a grade on a guy and I'll kind of go,
Speaker 1: I don't see that, and I'll say something like he
Speaker 1: came in to day and goes, you really like that
Speaker 1: corner from Ohio? Stay better. You know we were talking
Speaker 1: about Jeff did you like that guy that high? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm like, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: What do you mean am I doing? It's a good player?
Speaker 1: What do you have? Jalen Hearn Dane, Yeah, Taylor Reiver
Speaker 1: right after a fourth round, seventeenth receiver. I like him
Speaker 1: a lot, Really surprised when I watched him. He's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Eager to see him because he couldn't work out the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, couldn't work out the combine. We'll see what
Speaker 1: he does a Baylor's Pro Day. He'll be a big
Speaker 1: day for him to, you know, prove that he belongs
Speaker 1: to be in that top one hundred and twenty five conversation.
Speaker 1: All right, man, Katie, thank you so much, appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, buddy. Well, that's all the time
Speaker 1: we have for the draft show today. I want to
Speaker 1: thank my scouting buddies, Dane Burglar, David Hellman, K Garrison executives.
Speaker 1: Also again, thank you, Kevin, Katie Turner. You'll see that
Speaker 1: face when we start the three day Cabbage of the
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