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Speaker 1: the Star in Frescope, Dallas Cowboys Select Lad and now

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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, well, well,

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Speaker 1: welcome once again to the Draft Show here from the

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Speaker 1: it's the Draft Show with Brian brought us, Dame Burglar,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kit Garrison executive producing today and we're joined

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Speaker 1: by one of our scouting friends from one oh five

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Speaker 1: three the Fan, Kevin kat Turner. I can't baby, thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. Guys, great show. We don't usually

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Speaker 1: see you down here until Draft weekend. Yeah, you don't

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Speaker 1: need me, You guys great enough. We want you. We

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Speaker 1: absolutely need you. And as you know, as you followed

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Speaker 1: along our coverage of the draft throughout the years, we

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Speaker 1: have a great partnership with one oh five three the

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Speaker 1: Fan with Jeff Kavanaugh and Kevin Turner. This man does

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Speaker 1: a lot of studying. A matter of fact, last night

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Speaker 1: he was in here. We were banging away on some

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Speaker 1: tape and trying to figure some of these positions out.

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Speaker 1: And we're getting down into the to the last kind

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Speaker 1: of bit of it, Dane. We're down to the last,

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Speaker 1: like thirty five days or so before the draft. You're

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Speaker 1: feeling a little pressure right now. It's nothing but pressure

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Speaker 1: this entire process, because it's you just wish you had

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Speaker 1: more time to watch more of these guys, because it's

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the toughest parts of scouting is

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Speaker 1: when when do you know enough's enough? Okay, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just watched four tapes of this guy. I could use

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Speaker 1: another one, but I think I know him. That's one

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Speaker 1: of the hardest parts when you evaluate these players is knowing, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know this player, he's exactly this, or do you

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Speaker 1: need to go back and watch more. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the toughest parts of the pole process. Yeah, echoes back

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Speaker 1: to my school analogy. Like in school, you get to

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Speaker 1: a point where you study and study more. You're just

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Speaker 1: like where you just don't study. Like man, You're just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: at some point you gotta just say screw it. I

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Speaker 1: either know this or I don't, which Dane, At what

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Speaker 1: point do you get to that point. Probably never. I

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Speaker 1: never feel that. Yeah, yeah, never feel that's filled. I

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Speaker 1: bet you were a better student than I was, too. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I love this more than any other class

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Speaker 1: I took it in school. So fair, Katie. You you

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Speaker 1: are you? How's your journey been? I mean we haven't

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Speaker 1: We're picking you up here with you know, a month

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Speaker 1: or so. How's your journey been as far as have you?

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Speaker 1: And I know we're gonna do something today in the

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Speaker 1: second half. That's a lot of fun, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited you're here to be a part of that.

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Speaker 1: We'll see my journey. It gets to a point, especially

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Speaker 1: at this point, where you go pro days are happening

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and you go, Okay, I think

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Speaker 1: then I for this year, my journey has been horrible

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Speaker 1: with linebackers, but I've never really been great at linebackers.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that I that I always go back

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Speaker 1: to is I find myself trying to listen to you

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Speaker 1: guys too much because I don't want it to affect

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Speaker 1: how I shill. But then I also remember, at least

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Speaker 1: for me, that there really is no mount Everest here.

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Speaker 1: So no matter what I think about a guy, that

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Speaker 1: guy could always end up proving you wrong. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're always gonna miss on someone, sure, I think, And

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Speaker 1: then you always have a guy that then and it

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Speaker 1: follows you for thirty years of your career. See, and

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Speaker 1: there are a few guys who you call him pet cats.

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Speaker 1: I think that. And Katie's absolutely right here. I think that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we get into a situation. I had a

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Speaker 1: scout stop by as Dave can it tells everybody can test.

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Speaker 1: I do. Dane's a Scout through and through. Katie leads

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Speaker 1: want to listen to anybody tell me about these players.

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Speaker 1: He goes, that's the problem. He goes, I want to

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Speaker 1: That's like when I watched them with Kat and Jeff,

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Speaker 1: then you haven't done the player and now you're thinking, man,

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Speaker 1: that guy's usually right about players. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: get influenced by that, you know, it's confirmation bias. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so for Josh Jacobs in running backs as a whole,

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Speaker 1: and Leveon Bell ran a four six, Kareem Hunt ran

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Speaker 1: think Josh Jacobs is gonna be another one. Now. Some

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Speaker 1: of the idi agility times I was surprised or like,

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Speaker 1: Was a little surprising. But nonetheless, I mean he's he's

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Speaker 1: twenty five overall on my board. I think he'll be

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Speaker 1: twenty five tomorrow. So that does that bother you at all? Well? No, no,

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Speaker 1: And with running backs I feel the same, like I

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Speaker 1: don't really the numbers don't matter. What makes me go

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Speaker 1: Jacobs if you're considering taking him in the first round,

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Speaker 1: not a lot of wear and tear on his body. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But I'm not making him my feature back, Josh Jacobs.

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Speaker 1: He says, are we we being the cowboys? Are we

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Speaker 1: on the wrong path of what running back? They are

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Speaker 1: looking forward to pair with Zeke? They had Rod Smith,

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Speaker 1: their radar for those types of backs? Talk about the

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Speaker 1: bigger Yeah, Which that's an interesting point. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: know the cowboys they want a real back. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: a misconception that they're looking for purely scatbacks because that's

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Speaker 1: what they were looking for last year, right, although don't

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Speaker 1: you I mean, they could use both, right, they could.

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Speaker 1: They need they need a complete back, but they could

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Speaker 1: use a scat back to It just sounds like to

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Speaker 1: me that they're more interested in the complete back that

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Speaker 1: they realize what happened to Zeke Lash. It's not it's

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Speaker 1: not never. It's not great to take Zeke off the

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Speaker 1: field at any point in time, but I think they

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Speaker 1: even realized by the end of the season that the

498
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Speaker 1: wear and tear had just had taken too much of him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and yet you have a defense not getting a break.

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Speaker 1: Garyo tackle a big load. Now, this was not official,

501
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: but there was reports in the last couple of days

502
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: that the other Ohio State running back, Mike Webb, Mike Weber,

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Speaker 1: would be a visit. Now, again, not official or anything. Hum,

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00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: we'll have that for another day. Well, they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: make it official no matter what. So that's up to us.

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Speaker 1: But you say things on Twitter and you got let's

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Speaker 1: find out about the player. Yeah, okay, speaking at real quickly, Okay,

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Speaker 1: shoot me a scouting report on Mike Webber, and then

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Speaker 1: I want you to I want you to follow up

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Speaker 1: on your scouting report on Mike Webon numbers I have

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Speaker 1: on five O nine five to eleven four four four.

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Speaker 1: Didn't really see the four four four much to me.

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Speaker 1: Didn't see a guy who ran with a lot of vision.

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Speaker 1: But you did see a guy who like, here's the hole.

515
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get what's there. I'm not gonna make you

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Speaker 1: miss very much. But if it's there for me, and

517
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Speaker 1: this offensive line can create hold, if it's there for me,

518
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Speaker 1: I'll take the seven yards and there it is, you

519
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: know exactly. No, I think that, Yeah, that sums him up.

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Speaker 1: He's he's not explosive, but he's quick, right, and I

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Speaker 1: think he shows at least the baseline traits of what

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00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: you're looking for in a blocker and a receiver. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's above average neither of those categories,

524
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: but I think I think average would be fair. But

525
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: he's not the biggest guy, which you worry about in

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Speaker 1: pass pro. But when they threw it to him, he

527
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: didn't okay catching the ball. I don't know. I just

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Speaker 1: I view Mike Webber as a diamond. Does him back.

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought the same thing when I stuck

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Speaker 1: him down there in the sixth round, right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't, you know, And I know that's

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Speaker 1: right where in the Cowboys would probably like to You've

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Speaker 1: got it. You've got a great way of evaluating and

534
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Speaker 1: I like it, and I think that more people should

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Speaker 1: use it. The five six, you know, think and it's

536
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Speaker 1: not right in the fence, you're really saying okay, late five,

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Speaker 1: early six is where you're instead of just saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's a sixth round guy. You know, I kind of

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Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I mean, I've always been

540
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Speaker 1: from the theory of put him in the fifth round,

541
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Speaker 1: put him in the fourth round. I do like the

542
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Speaker 1: way you could split a guy. But you could say,

543
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Speaker 1: you know, I feel good about him as compared to

544
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Speaker 1: the other fifth round running backs, but he's really closer

545
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Speaker 1: to a But I don't want to bury him down there.

546
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Speaker 1: But this guy, to me is like a six round player.

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Speaker 1: You nailed him Kat and then Dane over the top

548
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: with you know, to make it finish it off, Let's

549
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: let's knock out all the running back talk with the

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Speaker 1: follow up from Dusty, who makes the astute observation. He

551
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: says the Cowboys have gone after almost every position of

552
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: needs so far in free agency except for a backup

553
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: running back. They seem to want to draft instead. He

554
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: wants to know what round Are you comfortable doing that?

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00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: But I want to add a caveat on top of that,

556
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: which is to say, do you think they will go

557
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: into the draft with just what they've got right now,

558
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: which is basically Zeke, Darius Jackson and Jamaz Olah Walle

559
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Speaker 1: or do you think they will add a guy before

560
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: they go in. I think they're I think they're gonna draft. Yeah,

561
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: I personally think they're gonna draft. So you don't think

562
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Speaker 1: they bring in any type of veteran at all? I

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Speaker 1: would be I don't get that vibe. Yeah, I just

564
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Speaker 1: you know, we've kat studied backs. Dane study bag, we've

565
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: all studied backs. It goes it kind of goes against

566
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: the philosophy though. I mean, even if it's not a

567
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Speaker 1: high need, you're going into the draft going they kind

568
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: of think that Ola Wally could be like a single

569
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: back runner. That's kind of what I worry about it. Yeah,

570
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, Jamays can do it. If we

571
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: don't get the guy with well, they think you could

572
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: be a better Rod Smith's the guys. Yeah, yeah, I'm

573
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: all for I'm all for waiting on the draft, especially

574
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: at the running back position. Get a young kid, yes,

575
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: let him come in and be a contributor and let

576
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: him work his way up the depth charge. That's the

577
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: one position I feel like that you can bring a

578
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: rookie in and he has success. I mean, you got

579
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: everybody else, get an All Pro in front of him. Yeah,

580
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: And I think it's part of that question. Anywhere on

581
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: the third day, I'd be fine with the running back.

582
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: If you want to use the comp pick in the

583
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: fourth round at the right running at Bryce Love is

584
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Speaker 1: there and that's who you want, I'd be okay with that.

585
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: I will say, okay, Yeah, I think if you want

586
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: him to be a significant upgrade over what you could

587
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: sign off of the free agency heap right now, it

588
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: probably needs to be a fourth round pick. Sure. Probably

589
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: this thing's got some stretch to it, though running back

590
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: always does. I'm just I know that, and I know

591
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: you can find talent anywhere, but just using recency bias,

592
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the world of the areas Jackson,

593
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: but he has not made an impact for this team.

594
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: He was kind of hopeful after I saw the Giants

595
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: game last year that it would be a little bit

596
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: better there. Yeah, and it really I don't. I don't

597
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: see anything special there. And obviously you know, big, big

598
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: name guy, but bo Scarborough didn't even make the team, right,

599
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: So i'man you know, if you really I feel like,

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00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: if you really want to assure yourself that this guy

601
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: could make a difference quickly, the sooner the better, real

602
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: quick here, bear on, go ahead, make your point. I'm sorry. Well,

603
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: I say we know this team likes Boise State players.

604
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: Alexander Madison isn't a name on Day three to keep

605
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: an eye on. He's a reliable pass catcher out of

606
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Speaker 1: the backfield. I'm a big fan of him. Jalen Moore

607
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: from app State, I'm a big fan of his as well.

608
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: So I think this running back to Brian's point, this

609
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: running back position will stretch. There will be plenty of

610
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: options on Day three. Uh, and that's where I would

611
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: target my running Yeah. A lot of guys, a lot

612
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: of guys and gals here are on the on the

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Speaker 1: periscope saying they're talking names like Henderson, Montgomery, They're kind

614
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 1: of thinking third fourth round right now, David Montgomery feels

615
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: way too rich for this team. Yeah, I'm not. I'm

616
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: not drifting and running back in the top one hundred

617
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Speaker 1: and twenty five picks and those guys are off the

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Speaker 1: board the top one twenty five, I think, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I'd be honestly, I'd be surprised if

620
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: they go anywhere but defense on day two. I even

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Speaker 1: even tight end, I'd be surprised. I think they're gonna

622
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: go defense, defense on day two, and then into the

623
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Speaker 1: fourth round, that's where they start talking about running back,

624
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: start talking about if the right receiver is there, even

625
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: though with Randall Cobb now in the mix, not as

626
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: much of a need, if the right tight end is there,

627
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: even some offensive line death guard maybe yeah, exactly so,

628
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Speaker 1: But on day two, bronze two and three, I'd be

629
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Speaker 1: surprised if it's anything. But do you agree with him? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I absolutely do. I hate you, and you know I

631
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632
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Speaker 1: but I don't like it. So I don't want to

633
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: like a one year, five million dollar deal like affect

634
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: how I draft very often, But I do think that

635
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: alleviated so much for them to go really attack. We

636
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: got a coach, coach in his final year, so you're saying,

637
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: of this contract it's all in, then they're gonna build

638
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: up the defense debo. Samuel is going to visit here, David,

639
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 1: that's what I heard that that could be. You know,

640
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: it's covering your bases. Although that's it's so's Tyler rap.

641
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: What does that tell you? Taylor? Taylor, God darn it,

642
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: I wrote about that cat guy. I wrote about it

643
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: this week is what I mess up names so bad.

644
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 1: The list isn't long enough right now, but as the

645
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: thirty list starts to take shape, we'll have a really

646
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: good idea. Because you remember two years ago they only

647
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: brought two offensive players and pass rushers. In corn was

648
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: the pass rusher in dB parade like this, the only

649
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: guys they wanted to talk to. Sure, and that's just

650
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: it was Taco and then Corners on day two. So yeah,

651
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: I think no, I mean, Dave's exactly right. Once we

652
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: we know about I don't know, just a fraction of

653
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: the top thirty list right now. Once we just get

654
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: the full list, we'll get ready, so it'll really help us.

655
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: But I think we know pretty early on it's gonna

656
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: be a lot of safeties. It's gonna be some defensive linemen,

657
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see those guys on day to safeties

658
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: dbs well, no, sorry, safeties, d linemen, um receivers and

659
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: running back. Okay, let me let me ask you a

660
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: question then, Guys, if if you're new to the draft

661
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: show and you're just kind of checking him out for

662
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: the first time and you really don't know really much

663
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: about what's going on the draft, what positions for the

664
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys are you telling you tell him to go go

665
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: study as much as you can on safeties and defensive ends,

666
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: ends and tackles. Yeah, especially you know, we'll see if

667
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, they make another addition here, another pass rushing

668
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: uh my trade for one year, right, we'll see if

669
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: that happens. And if it does, then much more likely

670
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: they go dB. But and the running back position, in

671
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, both those positions will stretch. So

672
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: as much as I love Deebo Samuel, I feel you're

673
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: killing his dream right now. Hey give me penny heart

674
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: in the fourth round or you know, I feel really

675
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: good about who I can get in the fourth round

676
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: Compared to you know, the safety you can get in

677
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: the fourth round. Give me Taylor Rap h. Don't let

678
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: me say his name, do you cat? You know maybe

679
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: if Taylor Rap starts, if he's available, when you start

680
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: talking about trading, no segue, let me let me up

681
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: at this. That's my segment, Dann, Which is a great

682
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great point, Ross says Taylor.

683
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Taylor Rap and Jonathan Abram. Those are the two safeties

684
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: that we've talked about endlessly. I think you're gonna have

685
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: to go up this well, so that's the question. Are

686
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: they realistic options of fifty eight or do you have

687
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: to trade up? I guarantee you This question is born

688
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: out of Dane listing Rap as his twenty ninth overall player. Yeah,

689
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: and I think Abram's like thirty seven something like that,

690
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: so killing me. He just killed Kat's dream. If you

691
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: need it, go go get it. But whoa but twenty

692
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: twenty third round pick. Let's not if you trade. If

693
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: you trade a third round pick, it's gonna get you

694
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: probably thirteen spots. Probably it's gonna get you up into

695
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: the forty five area. Who's doing that deal for next

696
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: year's pick? Though? Huhh, I mean, who who needs you

697
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: gotta find the teams? I guess theoretically, when you trade

698
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: a future pick, it's you drop around. So next year's

699
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: three is really like a fourth this year. So you

700
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: have to keep that in mind if you're making tough

701
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: if you're making that deal in the picks a second,

702
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna want to hold off a year on a pete.

703
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: What you just said, and I like it, say it again.

704
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: When you trade future picks in future years, you have

705
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: to really drop around to get to try to figure

706
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: out the value. So if you trade a third round

707
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: or next year, it's really like trading a fourth rounder

708
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: this year. It is so a lot of people. That's

709
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: how teams view it. Yeah, okay, but even with the

710
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: Cowboys team who's picking fairly late in the third round, Yeah,

711
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: because I think if I'm a team and I'm taking

712
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: that trade, I would bet on them not doing better

713
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: than what they did this year, and that that's fair.

714
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: That goes into the thing we did with Buffalo that

715
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: one year we finished, we got the tenth and they

716
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: their pick was worth twenty. Yeah. But even still though,

717
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: if you're on the clock, that means that you there's

718
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: a guy there that you love more likely than not.

719
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: And so you're saying, all right, I'm gonna go away

720
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: from this guy. What are you giving me for it?

721
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: And so who's who's gonna say, Yeah, it's gonna hurt

722
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: a little bit, I'm happy. I'm happy giving up this

723
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: player that I really like and I won't get to

724
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: use another pick until next year. Like, I don't think

725
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: that's super realistic. The idea is to have ten guys

726
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: that you like and then let them fall toy teams

727
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: like New England. They're like, come on, just bring bring,

728
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you an example of the team, it

729
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: says next year. Yeah, sure, an example of a team

730
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: that operates like no other in the league. But then

731
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: you're asking how much better is Rapping Abram than Thornhill

732
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: or Gardner Johnson or whoever you know? Yeah, Savage, are

733
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: you going to be heartbroken when you know you draft

734
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: a safety like want Thornhill at fifty eight as opposed

735
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: to trading up for a rapper an Abram? How does

736
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: that you know sit with you? Can you sleep at

737
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: night without day Thompson? So we don't feel good at

738
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: a risk injury. They're trying to fix ye, we'll see

739
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: supposed to run hopefully April second set. We don't. We

740
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: don't feel good about either Taylor Rap or Jonathan Abram

741
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: being available at fifty eight. Now it would be a

742
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: big surprise. Okay, something has to happen. The gas mask

743
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: has to appear. Surprise if they fell out of top fifty,

744
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: all right, Well, if we're okay, if they're there at fifty,

745
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: then what happens all this thing? Ever, I remember you're

746
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: sitting there like, here's a here's another. This is related,

747
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: This is related to I really like this. This is

748
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: a smart question. I think y'all tell he got smart followers.

749
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: Joey says, I know Chris Richard likes his cornerbacks to

750
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: be a certain size, right, but how does like, does

751
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: he discriminate against salt small safeties or what is his

752
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: prototype for his safety? We don't talk about that, and

753
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: he mentions Darnell Savage uh and wonders if like that

754
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: fits within the archetype. I don't know the answer to this.

755
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: There's a good question. Yeah, because Earl Thomas is not

756
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: a super big guy. Camp he had both extremes. Yeah,

757
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: Thomas and Chancellor. He I mean he loves Xavier Woods,

758
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: and Xavier Woods is by no means a big guy.

759
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: Uh that I don't know. Y'all shed some light on

760
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: this Phonekay Thompson five ten six, like one kind of thing, right,

761
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: said kind we're talking about Ante Thompson. No DONELLD Savage.

762
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Savage. Yeah, yeah, and he's he played corner

763
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: earlier in his career. I mean he's basically the size

764
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: of a corner. Yeah. Guy, he's a good player though.

765
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: He's a good guy from Maryland man watch Joiner type. Yeah.

766
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's got no problem smooth moving. He

767
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: is a smooth, smooth guy. Just looking at my notes

768
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: and seven and I remember yourself the top of my head.

769
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: How I mean the ball would go to the corner

770
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: and he was chasing and moving, I mean instant speed. Yeah,

771
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: he has no sixty. He's got no problem carrying, guys,

772
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: he really does. How much more do you like Savage

773
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: than I've got Savage ahead of the guys I'm about

774
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: to mention, but then gant red Wine, you know so,

775
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: and then those are way different players, right, I've got

776
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: a third on Savage, which he could even go. I mean,

777
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: if you want Savage. Youre taking a fifty eight. Um. Wow,

778
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: I've got Gant, He's not wrong. Three four um or

779
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: who else? Oh? Red Wine, I've got a five six

780
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: on him. I'm not a big gat You could hypothetically

781
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: get at ninety if you want. Jonathan Zipper is Marshall right,

782
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: But I think I don't. I'm not convinced that Gaant's

783
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: going to be necessarily a long term starter where I

784
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: feel better about Savage being a starter in this league.

785
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: To okay, to answer today, to try to answer Joey's question,

786
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't think size matters so much in turn, but

787
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: what do these guys do? So can it seems like

788
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: it's more important a corner for him than it does Yeah, safety,

789
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: But can Darnell Savage play in the box, because I

790
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: would imagine that's what they're looking for, which I know

791
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: they typically are talking like when you talk about safeties,

792
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: you're like Candy Cover. But have you seen him? Yes?

793
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: I think I think this team is in love with

794
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods as free safety of the future should be

795
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: no and yeah, no, I have no problem with that. So,

796
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is, if they're looking for a

797
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: safety in this draft, I would bet it's going to

798
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: be a guy who's good in the box. I think

799
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: I think Savage. When I saw him, he wrapped up

800
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: as a tackler when he had to. I didn't see

801
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: anything that led me to believe that he was a

802
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: coward by any means. He's not a coward. But I

803
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: do think don't to see faster when he's when he's

804
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: coming down. Yeah, and I do worry about just the

805
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: finishing strength, point of attack strength, in terms of taking

806
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: on blocks and shedding. Like I there will be some

807
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: issues there, Like he's he'll do a better job of

808
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: avoiding those blocks because so quick. Sure, but if he

809
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: gets locked up with a tight end on the edge,

810
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: tight End's probably gonna win. And no, that's just to

811
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: Dave's point. If they're looking for more of a box guy,

812
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's gonna necessarily fit. I think he

813
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: is more Darnold Savage is more of the the nickel

814
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: free safety, the guy that's you're a matchup guy because

815
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: that's speed and athleticism. Yeah, if you look at Rap

816
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: and Abraham, two guys safety as we know they're interested in.

817
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: Those guys are more of the box variety, strong safety.

818
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: They've got some you know, they can play a little

819
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: bit in pass coverage too, but they are you know,

820
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: you put them down towards a line of scribbage, they're

821
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: gonna hold hold their own. Just okay. How about Adderly? Then?

822
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: Why do we never talk about him classic Senior Bowl?

823
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: Bump talked about him for three weeks because he was

824
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl and he kind of well, we

825
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: never talked about him as one of those guys we

826
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be there. Yeah, no, no, no, no,

827
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, is he he was a he

828
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: was a converted corner, right, he played well? He played

829
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: safety in high school, played corners first two years of Delaware.

830
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: Than safety has final tears, right we I mean he's

831
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: very widely seen as a first round, if not top

832
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: forty pick. I think he's a top forty guy and

833
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 1: he but he's no chance that Rap or Stake goes

834
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: ahead of him. Oh no, there's a chance, certainly, I

835
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: think so. But with Adderley, I mean I think he's where.

836
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he's getting paut of the top forty.

837
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: I think Abram and Rap could get out of the

838
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: top forty potentially. But these safety is at the top. Again,

839
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: it's what you want. If you want he is he is.

840
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: If you want that single high safety, Adderly is your guy.

841
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: If you want Rap to do a little bit more,

842
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: a little more versatility both, yeah, exactly. And with Abram,

843
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: he's your physical you know, as a bullet across the field,

844
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: just gonna help you on special teams. So each one

845
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: of these safeties brings something a little different, just depends

846
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: on scheme and the style of safety you're looking for.

847
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: Quick Pole, this team doesn't have a first round pick

848
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: if I don't care if it's Rap, Abram, whoever. But

849
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: let's just say to get your top safety on the board,

850
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: bat most badass safety in your opinion, and you're comfortable

851
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Speaker 1: giving up your third and basically that guy's your only

852
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: meaningful pick of this draft. How does that strike you?

853
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: It's basically as Lawrence, Yeah, you know, except you got

854
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: Zack Martin in that draft too. You're not You're not

855
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Speaker 1: gonna say get me Robert Quinn and then we'll go

856
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: from there, because that means we're fully going for it,

857
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: because we gave up a picking next year's draft for

858
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, and then I would say, let's go you

859
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: know what, do you like one of these safeties enough

860
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: to do that rap? You would trade your third away

861
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: to get right? Yes, okay, I would. Because of all

862
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: my pet cat guys of the eleven I had to

863
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: write about yesterday, he's my best pet cat. I think

864
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: you could do so much with him. I think he's

865
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: got some rare ability. I love how smart he is.

866
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: You you're you've talked about that defense. I love tackles.

867
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I think he could play up. I think he could

868
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: play back. I think he's gonna be a guy. It's

869
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: gonna play for a long, long long time. He's got

870
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: that demeanor, he's got toughness to him, and I just

871
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: there's something about that that I really and that's why

872
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: I do it, just because I felt like if I

873
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: get better up the middle of the thing, I don't

874
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: think getting I think adding Earl Thomas necessarily makes you better.

875
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: Does that sound crazy? Yes? It does. It sounds insane,

876
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: not Earl Thomas. I'm sorry, Uh, Eric Berry, big difference, Yeah, no,

877
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: I wanted. I'm sorry, Eric Barry. Still sounds a little crazy.

878
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: But why because he's a I mean when he plays

879
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: I say, that's that's the big But again, he said

880
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: the same thing about Earl. Then if you're signing, if

881
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: you're signing Eric Barry, it's for an affordable price. So

882
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: does Eric Berry play the same position as Xavier Woods?

883
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: Typically he has, but I think he could do both.

884
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: Are you going to play him down? Yeah? I lean

885
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: more towards with Brian said, as much as it kills

886
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: me to give up a third round pick, we have

887
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: to remember that third round pick is a late third

888
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: round pick. No, yeah, it's not like it's not a

889
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: top seventy five pick, which not top eighty. What scares

890
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: me is if you were going to do that deal,

891
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: you would need your guy to fall a little way.

892
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: It's because like you're not You're not jumping up to

893
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: thirty five with pick nine, like you're not doing Tyler

894
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: Raps still available at forty five. You said Tyler too,

895
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: did really? You did well to go for Ruse. Come on, guys,

896
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: that's my brother. My brother's name is Thrill. Yeah. They

897
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: your parents like that, BB. Yeah, but now I'm trading

898
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: my third rounder to go up and get mister Rapp.

899
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: So I just say the name. Now, I don't I

900
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: would sign, I would sign Barry and try to get

901
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: another one. But that's just me Barry in the same position.

902
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: I think Dan Brugler, Dean Hellman, Dave, thank you very much,

903
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: because we're gonna get some Kat's game coming back. Okay,

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Speaker 1: for me today? Kat Well, I was thinking this would

968
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: be a good opportunity. I'm gonna be girl selfish here

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Speaker 1: What Am I Missing? So if I feel like there's

971
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: a player that I've watched and I feel like I've

972
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: either heard you guys or the rest of the world

973
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: be higher on than I am. Yeah, I mean, maybe

974
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: you guys can help me out because or maybe I

975
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: just need to have more confidence than trust myself. You're

976
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: like kind of a contrary guy too. I feel like

977
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: like every night I fire up Twitter at like ten

978
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: thirty eleven, and you're just out there just spouting off

979
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: some of the hot takes when he watches film and

980
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: then the midnight tweets. Grab a sandwich, just sitting down

981
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: and he will give you some midnight heat. Yeah. I

982
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: learned long ago to hey, what you're thinking, go with it?

983
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: This guy as a group think you're watching these players

984
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: for a reason, twees, no matter whatever else? There you

985
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: got Isaiah Bugs, defensive tackle Alabama. Um I have him

986
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: with a Day three, fourth round grade. Okay, um, I

987
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: did not see a guy who was quick enough to

988
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: really go make plays. I know he's probably just gonna

989
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: be a space eater. I'm wondering. Am I missing something here?

990
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I know he he had double digit sacks here? Hit

991
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: me all right? I one day he did not see

992
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: anything other than the fact that he played for Alabama.

993
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: When I watched that guy, when I watched him play

994
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: affs sometimes? Is he hurt? Is he sometimes not moving? Well?

995
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: What's happened when he runs? So? Iy? Nothing that gets

996
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: a big pooh here? But can you help me out?

997
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: I think that he doesn't. There's nothing about him that

998
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: says like he doesn't have a dominant trait. There's nothing

999
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: about him that says okay, like you know, I'm gonna

1000
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: hang my hat on this one trait that he has,

1001
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: whether it's quickness or power or instincts or whatever it is.

1002
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: I think he's just kind of average all around, and

1003
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: he saw it. I have at three four on him. Okay,

1004
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: So I'm not completely too different than you're You're there,

1005
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: like when I was mapping up my top one hundred

1006
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: like he was in the nineties, I believe, um or

1007
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: eighties maybe. Uh So, Yeah, I was not all in,

1008
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: oh ninety eight overall top one hundred boar. So I'm

1009
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: not all in on him either. Um. And I was

1010
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: really disappointed with I liked his tape better than what

1011
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: he showed at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, he showed at

1012
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 1: the Combine. Sure, really disappointed why the pre draft process,

1013
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: and so I don't know. Yeah, I'm I'm kind of

1014
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: with Kate. I'd lean more towards with Kate's either. Yeah,

1015
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: I don't disagree. I mean, I know a lot of

1016
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: people have talked about this guy pretty high, but when

1017
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: you're right, when you watch him on tape, you know,

1018
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: for a powerful guy, I think it's like a small

1019
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: area guy. It's just kind of like he takes on

1020
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: guys and you're thinking Okay, get rid of him and

1021
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: go go get to the ball. Everybody else in the

1022
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: Crimson Jersey is going to get to the football and

1023
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: you're kind of just stuck there killing grass. Yeah, he's

1024
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: just kind of playing. I think there's a lot of people, Yeah, exactly.

1025
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people kat that like

1026
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: this guy. And I'm surprised again the folks, the scouts

1027
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: that like are watching the tape will tell you that

1028
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: maybe not so much, maybe not so much. So maybe

1029
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: you're not missing anything. Okay, maybe I'm not doing anything wrong. Okay, yeah,

1030
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: but a lot of people like this guy. A lot

1031
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: of the media scouts talk about this guy quite a bit.

1032
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: But I'm with Dane on this. I just don't think, then, Dave,

1033
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't think the tape is nearly what the what

1034
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: the projection is on Gerald Willis or Isaiah Bugs. I mean,

1035
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: I have bugs great at higher Yeah, so do I

1036
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: see a Willis stand straight? Miami fans first, not happy

1037
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: with my comments on Willis. Willis as I talked to

1038
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: some coaches the same way with your comments. I mean

1039
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: not not happy. They're like, agree with you right always?

1040
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 1: Fans love that guy well at Sea he's got splash players,

1041
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: but his body of work is in it stands straight

1042
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: up the first move right up. And there's some I

1043
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: hate saying this, but there's some off there at that.

1044
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: Questions you've all got off the field? Questions, Katie, welcome

1045
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: to the show. True that if you get kicked out

1046
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: of an SEC school, it's something that bears when you

1047
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: send your backup quarterback to the hospital. Yeah, it was

1048
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: just what I always know the details. Uh Dane does too, though. UM.

1049
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: Day three we did with Isaiah Bugs. Let's go, let's

1050
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: go to the first round, all right, Let's make this

1051
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: really all inclusive the entire world. Florida State fans come

1052
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: at me. I like Brian Burns. I do not like

1053
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: Brian Burns in the top twenty. What am I missing here?

1054
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: Defensive in Florida State? Brian Burns looks thick? Can you

1055
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: tell me he looks he's a third down player? Why

1056
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,439
Speaker 1: does he look like he's a one iron? You're gonna

1057
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: be sick when he's a Green Bay packer, that's what

1058
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: you're telling him at twelve. No, I don't Ron Wolf

1059
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: made my dad. I don't know. I'm a believer in Burns.

1060
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: Um in what way. I think what he gives you

1061
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: pass rush value. Um, I think that in terms of

1062
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 1: point of attack strength, there's an issue. You saw it

1063
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: against Max Sharping Northern Illinois when Florida State went up

1064
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: against Northern Illinois and October Sharping had his way with Burns.

1065
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: Once he gets his hands on him, he's locked down.

1066
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: But with Burns. Yes, he doesn't need to get stronger

1067
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: and kind of fine tune some things. But I don't know.

1068
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: I feel good about the quickness. I feel good about

1069
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: the athlete that he is. He's his length, first step explosion,

1070
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: and I think he has at least a baseline understanding

1071
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: of what he needs to do with his hands, you know.

1072
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: I think it's all there for him to grow into

1073
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: an impact pass rusher. And so yeah, I don't necessarily

1074
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he should be a top ten pick,

1075
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: but I feel comfortable with him as a top fifteen pick.

1076
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: You ever seen this guy, dave I have? I mean,

1077
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: I defer to y'all. I know he's on the light side,

1078
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: but like that, that doesn't bother me as much as

1079
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it bothers other people. Like most college

1080
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: defensive ends, with few exceptions, are on the lighter side.

1081
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: I feel like DeMarcus Lawrence wasn't a big dude when

1082
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: he got here. Yeah, that's true, you that's what I mean.

1083
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: You know, that's what the weight rooms for. If you

1084
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: like you tell me, is he is he explosive? Oh yeah,

1085
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: he's a man. No, No, he is a flash guy.

1086
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: And fine, and yet let's go. But but I can

1087
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: say I don't always see a guy finished in plays.

1088
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: And I saw a guy that gets bounced. That bothers

1089
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: me when I see a guy, you know, some of

1090
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: these defensive ends. I mean, I know pass rushers are

1091
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be slippery and all that, which he is,

1092
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: and you're right about playing with his hands, but he

1093
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: gets locked up. They're times he just cannot get away

1094
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: and that and that, I mean, you think of a

1095
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: guy that's kind of a slippery pass rusher, find a

1096
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: way not to let those those offensive tackles get their

1097
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: hands on you and he and he doesn't, and that

1098
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: that's a concern to me. I think I think he's

1099
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a liability in the running game. And I

1100
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: think he's just going to be a guy that can

1101
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: only rush the pastor And maybe that's good enough. But

1102
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that's good enough to be in the

1103
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: first round, where I really don't where do you have him?

1104
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: I have in the second round, And I think if

1105
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: you and at fifty eight, depending on who's the board,

1106
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: I might, I might, I would consider if I needed

1107
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: an end, But I just don't. I have a real

1108
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: real problem with how slender is. I don't think he

1109
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: could ever get any bigger, and I don't think he'll

1110
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: ever be able to play the run well enough to

1111
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: to he'll I think he'll be a liability play in

1112
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: the run and that worries me. The fact that he

1113
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: came inte over two hundred and fifty pounds at the combine,

1114
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: does that change anything for you? Now? I think he

1115
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: had to do that, sure, but he still worked out

1116
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: really really he did work out well. But I just

1117
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you We'll see if you could

1118
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: play that. Let's see if you could play that. I mean,

1119
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: it's I feel like and there's nothing. There's other guys.

1120
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: There's a ton of guys at this. I feel like

1121
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: round there's a you know, bust potential that's there with

1122
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: him that makes me wouldn't make me nervous if I

1123
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: was having a top twenty. There's a lot of bust

1124
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: potential at the top of this draft, whether you're talking

1125
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: about him or Gary's another one that seems like he

1126
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: terrifies people. Okay, for next, Rashaun Gary one am I missing?

1127
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: That's Rashaun Gary is a difficult one for sure because

1128
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: you're just you're banking on the traits that they're going

1129
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: to translate and they're gonna turn into something. So but yeah,

1130
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: you watch the tape and he's not setting up his

1131
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: passion USh moves. He doesn't have a consistent plan. Uh,

1132
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: and that's when he was on the field because he

1133
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: was hurt and just he didn't live up to the

1134
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: immense potential that he has. So do you bank on

1135
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: those traits and say, Okay, we're gonna coach the us

1136
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: out of him. There's also some talking to scouts, entitlement stuff,

1137
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: emotional maturity stuff, So there's a lot going on with Gary.

1138
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 1: He's a complicated prospect boomer bust. I think at his best,

1139
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: you're looking at a Cameron Jordan, you know, which is okay,

1140
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: you know you'll take that any day of the week.

1141
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: But again, that's if he reaches his potential. And there's

1142
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: a lot of roadblocks that say, you know, he might

1143
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 1: not reach his potential. This sounds like a very much slider.

1144
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: This seems like a guy that everybody protict predicted as

1145
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: a top projected as a top five player, and he

1146
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: ends up at seventeen. He was at thirteen in my

1147
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 1: most recent mock to the Dolphins. So yeah, it's a

1148
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: certain possible. It could be teens. You know what. I

1149
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: think the guy could play as a three technique. I

1150
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: think he's actually better inside than knee is out. But

1151
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I dang, it's not wrong about this guy.

1152
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 1: And again, it's one of those things. If you're a

1153
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: window dressing your board, you're window dressing. But this is

1154
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 1: a guy you window dressed with. I think because he's

1155
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: because people are thinking that he is a top that

1156
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: he's a top five player, and actuality he's not. He's

1157
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: a top five talent. You could argue, yeah, but but

1158
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: there's so many questions. I mean, do you want to

1159
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: take a guy that has that many questions about him?

1160
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: I'm most relieved that I don't have to stress about

1161
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: the Cowboys making a pick that high in this in

1162
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: this year's draft, because it's like I'll take Jerry Tillery

1163
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: at fifty eight with a bunch of questions. Okay, I'm

1164
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: not see that's what's gonna I guarantee the first I

1165
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: guarantee the first night of the draft. When he's taken,

1166
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna have the same discussion. Oh, certainly, we're gonna

1167
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: have the exact same discussion about hyeah uh, let's go offense.

1168
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: We haven't done offense. Show on this what am I missing?

1169
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: And Lord knows, there's a ton of wide receivers, But

1170
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: what am I missing on? And kill Harry? And to

1171
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: kill Harry of Arizona State. Dude, I'm I'm agreeing with

1172
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: basically every guy you're throwing out here. I think I'm

1173
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: fine with Burns, but the rest of these guys, yeah,

1174
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: I'm worried about separation with and that's okay, and that

1175
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: that's those guys. I think tread Well is the guy

1176
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: who made me scared of all that. Treadwell is the guy,

1177
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: by the way, too, when he looked at his time

1178
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: what you talked about in the first segment, but at

1179
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: his time to go okay, don't even watch him again. Yeah, yeah,

1180
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: he's just not that. And I worry about that. I mean,

1181
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to like him. I really wanted to like him.

1182
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my wide receivers. I've got him outside

1183
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: of my top ten wide receivers. He's the number six

1184
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: for me wide receiver. Um, you know, I think he's

1185
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: he's in the fifties on my top one hundred board.

1186
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: I like him. Yeah, kind of a lot of what

1187
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: you said, like a straight line player, Yeah, exactly. He

1188
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: wins more with physicality than um, you know, route savvy

1189
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: or route quickness. But you know, he could do it

1190
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: against PAC twelve corners where you know it's a crowded

1191
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: catch point. But he's physical, he's strong, and you know

1192
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: he maintains his focus even with a you know, wearing

1193
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: a dB as a backpack. But can you do that

1194
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: against NFL corners. It's a big difference between the PAC

1195
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: twelve and NFL. And didn't do it. Didn't do it

1196
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: against an NFL corner by the name of Byron Murphy. No,

1197
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: And that was a love Murphy. And it's tough because

1198
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: of that that offense. I mean, he didn't really do

1199
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: any favors with the quarterback Manny Wilkins. I don't know.

1200
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: I like Harry somewhere on day two. But I have

1201
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the same questions that you kind of

1202
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: pointed out, and I don't know how gladly I will

1203
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: gladly own my mistakes in my shortcomings, like I was

1204
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: in love with Laquon Treadwell. This like I'm not bashing

1205
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: this guy because of what happened with Treadwell, But I

1206
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: just think people are enamored with the Dez Bryant mold

1207
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: of receiver, and if you can find a guy that

1208
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: is that. I mean, Dez Bryant was amazing. If you

1209
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: can find that guy, it's great. But I don't think

1210
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 1: this guy on the periscope. Denario says he's this year's

1211
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: Juju Smith. That's a J Brown. To me, I think

1212
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: a Brown, Yeah, that that's a J Brown, this year's

1213
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: Juju from me with Nikkiel. But I do what's kind

1214
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: of in that same vein. I do think Nikkiel could

1215
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: be a big slot I think that might be actually

1216
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: be his best position, and he did it a little bit.

1217
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: He was more of the X in Arizona State's offense,

1218
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: but he also kicked inside in the slot, and that

1219
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: big slot position might actually be what fits him best.

1220
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: At the next level at least, I think he has

1221
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: a versatility to do both. You guys, I have heard

1222
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: you guys in the draft show mentioned this guy many times,

1223
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: and I get frustrated because I'm like, what am I

1224
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: missing on wide receiver from Auburn? Darius Slayton, a fast

1225
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: guy you talked to me two months ago. I would

1226
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: agree with a fat cat you're messing with on this

1227
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: side of the table. Brownison. I went back and watched him,

1228
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: and he sold us because he Yes, he has a

1229
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: straight line speed where he can win vertically, but he

1230
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: also has the straight line speed that owners have to respect,

1231
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: so they play off coverage and he destroys them on

1232
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: comebacks and underneath stuff, and then he has a little

1233
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: juice after the catch where he can make something happen. Now,

1234
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: does he need to get better finishing catches. Absolutely, He

1235
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: is not the most consistent, but I think he is.

1236
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: You know, remember Sammy Coates out of Auburn, Like, he's

1237
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: a much better player than that. Is similar in terms

1238
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: of skill set what they do best, but I think

1239
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: he's a much better player than that. He came in

1240
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: at number one hundred overall on my draft board, so

1241
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, you know, a late third rounder, early fourth rounder.

1242
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: So I don't love him, love him, but I love

1243
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: him enough that on a bank on those traits somewhere

1244
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred pick tell you what Dane

1245
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: way to go. I love you, man, I really do

1246
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: this to me, Katie. You watch the tape and he'll

1247
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: catch a simple route along the sidelines and everybody's got

1248
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: angles on him, and the next thing you know, he's

1249
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: handing the ball the official. Yeah he's gone. I mean yeah,

1250
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: it is a It is a five yard toe tap catch,

1251
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they forget to play defense

1252
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: and now it's like they're trying to rally, and now

1253
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: he's running past everybody rallying. You know, that's the kind

1254
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: of player this guy is. Is that the guy with

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Speaker 1: the baton the football is the baton in his hands. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's the four forty and we're in last place and

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Speaker 1: he's now got the baton and he's going to finish

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Speaker 1: this thing out to get us on the podium. Can

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Speaker 1: you can you with physical cornerback can kind of throw

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Speaker 1: him off a little bit? You know what, Baker the

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Speaker 1: Georgia game a little bit right exactly. But I think

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Speaker 1: Baker ate up a Samuel pretty well too though if

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Speaker 1: you remember that. Yeah, Slaton six one ninety man, he's

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Speaker 1: big enough. He's got long arms thirty two and three

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Speaker 1: quarter inch arms where I think he's gonna grow and

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Speaker 1: you know, be uh just fine against press so and

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Speaker 1: because if you if you press him, you better win

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Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, because if you give up

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Speaker 1: a step to him, he's gonna make you pay vertically. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where do you all have this guy? I have? He's

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Speaker 1: number one hundred overall on my board. So third round,

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Speaker 1: third round, h pick ninety kind of hanging out at

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Speaker 1: the back of the fourth for me. But that's okay.

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Speaker 1: About ninety wide receivers and the four wide receivers overall. Oh,

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Speaker 1: let's see about sixteen, I believe I'd say he's fifteen

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Speaker 1: for men, Okay. So if I if I learned a

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Speaker 1: lesson today is if I want Brian and Dane to

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Speaker 1: agree about some stuff, just get Kat on the show

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Speaker 1: because y'all are over here singing Kumbayath No no segment.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because we watched tape together and he'll put

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Speaker 1: a grade on a guy and I'll kind of go,

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Speaker 1: I don't see that, and I'll say something like he

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Speaker 1: came in to day and goes, you really like that

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Speaker 1: corner from Ohio? Stay better. You know we were talking

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Speaker 1: about Jeff did you like that guy that high? What

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Speaker 1: are you doing? And I'm like, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean am I doing? It's a good player?

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Speaker 1: What do you have? Jalen Hearn Dane, Yeah, Taylor Reiver

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Speaker 1: right after a fourth round, seventeenth receiver. I like him

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Speaker 1: a lot, Really surprised when I watched him. He's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Eager to see him because he couldn't work out the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, couldn't work out the combine. We'll see what

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Speaker 1: he does a Baylor's Pro Day. He'll be a big

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Speaker 1: day for him to, you know, prove that he belongs

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Speaker 1: to be in that top one hundred and twenty five conversation.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, Katie, thank you so much, appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, buddy. Well, that's all the time

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Speaker 1: we have for the draft show today. I want to

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Speaker 1: thank my scouting buddies, Dane Burglar, David Hellman, K Garrison executives.

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Speaker 1: Also again, thank you, Kevin, Katie Turner. You'll see that

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Speaker 1: face when we start the three day Cabbage of the

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Speaker 1: good radio, get the radio dot com right Katie. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Radio dot Com. Katie's on from three to seven. A

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Speaker 1: lot of good football talk on that station as well.

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Speaker 1: So again for all my friends, Thank you guys. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next week for another edition The Draft Show.

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