WEBVTT - Early Super Bowl Lines 2023 + NFL Draft (Ep. 156) 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:14.920 It's time to place your bets. Let's talk to the pros. 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.119 Welcome in everybody to Betting Pros. It is me, Joey pa, 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.200 Joe Pisa, Pia joining me today as always a Scott Bogman, 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.840 and of course it's you, and today we're gonna start 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.520 looking ahead already to twenty twenty two NFL. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.560 We'll do a quick little recap of the Super. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:31.960 Bowl because Bogman and I really haven't touched too much 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.760 base with that since it's gone on, but we're gonna 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.319 look at the early odds on AFC NFC champions and 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.080 also the Super Bowl, plus just a tad bit of 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.320 draft stuff as well, because if there's NFL draft to 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.279 be had, there's nobody better to talk about it than 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.400 our own Scott Bogman. But I want to remind everybody 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.559 make sure you subscribe to Betting Pros wherever you get 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:51.839 your podcasts, and don't. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.000 Forget about the Daily Juice too. 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.000 Every single day, Matthew Perrault is out there breaking his 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.280 back bringing you information on every single sport and creation 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.160 at Betting Pros dot com slash Daily Juice, and you 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.240 can be in on that action as well. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:05.520 And Scott Bogman. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.560 I know, as a Steelers fan, you probably had a 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.199 nice amount of joy watching the Bengals fall short. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:12.840 But you know, the Rams won. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.360 I was off by a point on my score, I said, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.480 twenty four to twenty one, little extra point. That's what 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:20.280 I was really missing at the end of the day, 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.640 which had gone my way, I would have been spot on. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.720 But it feels exactly like the show that we did 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.480 a last week right where we said, hey, it's probably 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.360 gonna the Bengals covering, it's probably me the Rams winning, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:32.559 and wouldn't you know it, that's. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:32.880 What it was. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.840 Yeah, look as long as the Rams win, right, that's 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.840 what I was all about. And that's exactly what happened, 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.240 you know. But don't worry Bengals fans. Damn Marino got back. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:47.319 Oh it's aka, don't worry. Jim Kelly was all right, well, 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:50.080 you guys are still I mean six super Bowl short 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.640 of the Patriots, is that correct? 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:52.840 Show is? 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.200 Yeah, six super Bowl and in six super Bowl short 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.800 of my team also, so okay, yeah, just making sure 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.559 so zero you got your wins, first wins in thirty years. 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:05.880 But anyway, yeah, no, this is like my first braggy 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:06.800 thing I've done about that. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:08.720 But I look, the Bengals aren't great. 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.520 You could tell all of that, like unhappiness just came 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.400 out at one time from the deer season. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.960 Yeah, wow, that was that was a lot there to 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:16.400 take in. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.080 Look, I've there's some great Bengals fans, some you know, 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.760 but you know, I've been hearing it for the last month, 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.640 so it was nice to see them lose. So but 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.840 Aaron Donald, Sean McVay, I don't know what does all 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.440 this retirement talk about, both those guys like Donald more 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.160 than McVeigh, like McVeagh, Bro, you're thirty six, what are 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:37.760 you gonna go do? 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:39.799 Like, what is he gonna do for the next Oh? 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.560 I know, ye, Well television it's a lot easier. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.080 Yeah, it is way easier. But I mean that's not 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:48.320 gonna fuel that fire. I mean, I think you gotta 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.480 stay till you're at least forty five or something. 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.280 You know, it's a stressful job. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.320 I get that it can take years off you, but 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.440 you're gonna retire at thirty six or whatever. I know, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.359 dude's younger than both of us, So that's just a 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:00.000 little crazy. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:00.840 Aaron Donald. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:02.960 I know, dude, if I could retire at thirty six, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.839 I might do it. I don't know if he's bad. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.240 That, but I mean, you're gonna get bored even if 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.400 you're on TV. That's why urban Meyer left from urban Meyer. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.040 And look, he's trash now. And everyone thinks he's not 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.680 a great person either, because you know, of what he 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.040 presented obvious reasons to the to the world the last year, right, 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.800 But he was killing it at Fox. Everybody liked, you know, 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.200 said he was doing a great job. He prepared for 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.560 that job like he did as a coach, and it 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.359 was great. Then he went back to coach because that 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.360 that fire is still there. And he had health issues 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.680 right a couple of years prior so, and he wanted 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.280 to go back. So I just can't imagine that McVeigh 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.840 wins the Super Bowl and goes, I have nothing more 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:44.160 to prove. 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:44.640 I'm done. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.240 Yeah, go go and win a bunch of super Bowls, 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.080 put yourself in the Hall of Fame like Bill Belichick 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.080 and you know, and then go do TV. You're still 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:54.520 gonna have plenty of time a guy he coached for 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.520 fifteen more years and then have a whole career of uh, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.880 you know, TV stuff. So that was just that stuff 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:02.040 shocked me a little bit. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.680 I just you say, men. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.440 Meyer prepared the way he did, Like in other words, 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.280 you would go around and kick the boom guy and 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:13.040 the kim hit up the Chili's across the street the 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:18.960 night before, you know, for one, Margarita's baby, who the presidente? 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:19.920 All right? 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.160 Any other takeaways from the Super Bowl? I mean it 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.440 kind of did play out exactly as I said. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.080 We talked about it. At the end of the day. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:30.240 It's the offensive line of the Bengals it was gonna 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.280 be the problem. And the coverage of Eli Apple and 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.120 guess what those are the two things that those. 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.040 Were the two things. They were just too obvious. Man, 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.720 It's just too obvious for the Bengals. And there's a 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.440 lot of teams with offensive line. I mean, the Rams 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.440 didn't do a great job of keeping stafford all right. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.119 You know that both those quarterbacks got hurt in that game, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.080 not bad enough to leave the game. But yeah, I mean, 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.200 so there are obvious things that need to be fixed 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.600 on both sides. But yeah, I mean, the Bengals are 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.560 going to spend some money in free agency. The first 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.920 they got a franchise Jesse Bates. I know, they're working 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.719 on extension right now, so that might done before this 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.720 errors even but I gotta get Jessea Bates back in 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.359 the fold. They got to improve the offensive line, they 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.159 got to keep the core pieces. That's what the Bengals 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:08.880 got to do to try to win the North again 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.520 and get back. But it's gonna be gonna be a 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.880 tough row. Cleveland's gonna be better, The Ravens are going 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.240 to be healthy. You know, Steelers are gonna have you know, 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.960 someone new at quarterback may not be better than Roethlisberger, 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.800 but Roethlisberger was in the lower third of the year. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.679 To be nice to Roethlisberger in terms of quarterbacks last season. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.440 So you know, the road just gets harder. You know, 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.080 that's every single year. You know that better than anybody. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:36.080 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, All right, let's let's put the twenty 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.000 twenty one season in the past. Now, super Bowl's done 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:42.039 and already, of course, because we're degenerates and we love this, 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.840 we can't get enough of it. The odds are up already, 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.640 and of course, if you want to see the consensus odds, 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.440 you can always go to bettingpros dot com and check 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.279 that out. But right now, if you're looking around most 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.880 of the betting houses right now. We'll just start with 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.360 the AFC conference right now, the Bills are at plus 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.719 three point fifty over on the fan duel side, Kansas 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.960 City is at three eighty. They are the prohibitive favorites. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.680 Most books have them as basically this three and a 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.720 half to four to one. So obviously no big surprise there. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.599 So I'll ask you this, Bogs, of these two favorites 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.039 before we start to get in some of the other 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.600 teams here, do you have a lean between the two 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.640 of these if you wanted to get in early. Will 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.240 this be Josh Allen's year finally or will Patrick Mahomes 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.880 kind of get back there after you know, obviously struggling 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:27.000 up and down this year. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.880 And it's funny both these guys might be replacing their 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.159 offensive coordinator. We know Josh Allen is right right in 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.640 Buffalo because Brian Deviill went and took the head coaching 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.679 job for the Giants, And now there's talk about maybe 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.000 a rift between Eric bana Mey and Patrick Mahomes. So 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.760 the enemy might go ahead and leave that Kansas City situation. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.000 I think you have to take the experience here plus 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:51.680 a little bit longer odds plus three eighty versus plus 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.560 three fifty on Kansas City. Kansas City has been the 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:57.800 AFC championship four years straight. I think a fifth year 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.120 would not be surprising at all. So, uh yeah, I 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.920 would take Kansas City. Between both those teams. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.080 I'll take the other side. Actually, I'm gonna go on 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.440 the Buffalo side of this one. I think Buffalo recognizes 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:12.000 that they can't keep playing that big game in Kansas City. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.360 I think if Buffalo can get this conference championship game, 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.880 you know, in their building, I really think the Buffalo 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.600 Bills can go ahead out there and actually make it 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:21.240 to the Super Bowl. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:21.720 I really do. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.240 And I'm looking at the rest of the AFC and 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.400 some of the turnover we're gonna talk about in a 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.440 second on some of these teams. Yeah, the Bengals look good. Yeah, 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.720 I think the Chargers are gonna be probably around there 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.120 sniffing around. Sure, Lamar Jackson can get healthy and get right. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:35.800 All of a sudden, the Ravens are back in this. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.000 But to me, the Buffalo Bills to that team, if 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.680 I'm gonna go in early. They're the favorites for reason. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.360 The favorites don't always get there, as we know, but 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.400 still that's where I'm gonna go. And interesting news on 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.920 the enemy too. That is interesting to see if there's 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.800 any change there. You know what they always say, Bogman, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.640 the the enemy of my b enemy is my friend. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.600 That's an old saying, goes way back. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:58.360 There you go, Dad jokes as Joe already all. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.360 Right, the Cincinnati. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.040 Joke of the new season, fresh start. 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:09.040 Same old dad jokes. Cincinnati Bengals ten to one here, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.720 same for the Baltimore Ravens, and then the Chargers at 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:15.560 thirteen to one. Surprisingly, the Colts early going are thirteen 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.760 to one as they're trying to ship off their quarterback. 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.680 You got the Browns, the Broncos, the Titans all at 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.080 thirteen to one early as well. This is kind of 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:27.239 that mid tier group. So for me, the Chargers feel 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.760 like a team that I feel like the way Herbert's played. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.840 When you have that transcendent quarterback, anything's possible. At thirteen 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.040 to one, I think there's some intrigue there, but I 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:37.599 know you and I also see eye to eye on 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.280 Labar Jackson and him potentially having one more gear in him, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.880 and this being not a make or break season, but 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.439 potentially a very important one where it's time for him 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:48.640 as a passer at the NFL level to kind of 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.680 step it up. If so, what do you think of 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.520 the ten to one on the Ravens and the thirteen 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:53.440 to one on the Chargers. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.040 I'm a little upset that the Ravens are ten to 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:59.120 one because I thought with the bad finish and all 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.160 that stuff, they were going to be much longer odds. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.800 And you know, bookmakers know what they're doing. They know that, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:07.920 you know, the Ravens at over twenty guys on season 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.880 ending ir at the end of the season, and they're 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.120 gonna get better just by staying still, you know, by 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.960 getting JK. Dobbins back, by getting Gus Edwards back on offense, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:21.640 by getting Ronnie Stanley back, getting Marlon Humphrey back, and 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.440 the other pieces on this defense. Plus you know, Ravens 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.720 barely miss on their draft picks, right, They tend to 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.080 make a very very good draft picks. So I think 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:37.480 that that's about where I would put them. So do 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.679 I want a bet that number? Probably not. I think, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.480 like you said, the most interesting one here is the 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.120 Chargers at plus thirteen hundred and maybe Denver at plus 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.959 thirteen hundred, just because if they do get Rogers, which 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.600 I don't think he should do. And you and I 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:56.920 have talked about this a couple of times. You know, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.640 you go from the NFC, where you're competing in the Bears, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.200 the Lions, and the Vikings for that division, versus you 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.800 would come in and play against Mahomes, you play against Herbert, 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.079 you play against the Raiders, who just made the Bible. 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:10.120 A step further Bogs. 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.600 You're also competing against a bubbleful East in the NFC. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.000 I mean, I'm saying, if you're on the other side, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.240 Breeze is gone, Brady's gone. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:24.800 I mean, wives La, the Rams defense obviously takes an 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.160 enormous hit. So yeah, I mean, the path to the 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.000 super Bowl is much much easier in the NFC than 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:32.360 it is the AFC right now. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:33.960 So I don't see why he would do that. 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.960 But look, you know, Aaron Rodgers gave up on his 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.000 own family, so it would not be that shocking if 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.200 he went to Denver. I mean, it wouldn't be the 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.480 most surprising thing in the world. I would say, it's 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.880 less likely they're probably going to try to you know, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.199 as the kids would say, Joe run him back, So. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.520 Will the Will Aaron Rodgers marry the next girlfriend if 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.040 he wins a Super Bowl? I just I'm not sure. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.640 Every year he misses the Super Bowl when he breaks 0:10:58.679 --> 0:10:59.880 up with the girlfriend. I don't know if this is 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:01.800 a trend. He's just trying to find the right combination. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:03.719 They're all bad luck, right, I. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.240 Guess, I guess. All right, let's talk long shots here. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.440 The Patriots plus sixteen hundred, the Las Vegas Raiders plus 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.760 twenty five hundred, which I find kind of an interesting 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.840 one too. Your Pittsburgh Seelers thirty three to one, right now, 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.439 that's where they're at. Any love fortting long shots in 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:20.960 the AFC potentially. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.640 Well, I don't think the Steelers should ever be thirty 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.280 three to one with Mike Tomlin because he's never had 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.680 a losing season, so there are chances of making the playoffs. 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.040 Are pretty good going to be one of the worst 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.959 rosters they've had in the Mike Tomlin era. I understand that, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:35.760 so they're probably not going to win it. So but 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.000 I don't mind. Like you said, thirty three to one, 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.360 make a small bet, a unit, unit and a half 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:41.200 something like that. 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:46.240 Raiders too, much new going on. I don't like that. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.040 I think if you're going to pick one of these 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:49.880 teams and I feel like this is the way you 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.200 set it up, Joe, it's probably the Patriots strong defense, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.199 second year quarterback of Mac Jones. They're probably going to 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.440 add some playmakers through the drafts and free agency for 0:11:58.559 --> 0:11:59.199 him as well. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.520 They are up against the cap a little bit. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.600 Jacoby Myers may be gone, but there's so many good 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.720 wide receivers in this draft, and you have so few 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:13.240 needs on this team. I know the Patriots don't they 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:16.800 don't like drafting those first round whiteouts. But if Devin 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:21.800 Lloyd and if Devin Lloyd and why can't I remember 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:22.719 the other linebacker right now? 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:24.080 Williams would be the other guy too. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.640 If he, oh, Jamison Williams would be a great addition. Obviously, 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.000 tours in the National Championship may or may not be 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.959 ready for the beginning of the season. But yeah, I mean, look, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.160 I think that the Patriots always kind of have to 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.240 be in there because of the hoodie. He's a good coach, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.560 you know, and they're not. They just need a little 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.720 more juice on offense. I feel like to make themselves contenders. 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:46.319 In the AFC. 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.520 You think Nikobe Dean would fall to them potentially. I 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:50.240 really think they need. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.400 To Nacobe Dean and Devin Loyd to your two first 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.520 round linebackers. So yeah, one of those. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:56.480 Two guys that I would like to see them get, I. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.079 Would love to see him get like Garrett Wilson or 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.720 chrys Olave or a wide receiver that is just gonna 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.600 get open for Mac Jones. I mean, you invested in 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.520 Mac Jones. He's your guy, had a great year, Lookie 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.520 the Year, all that stuff. So yeah, I mean, let's 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.640 or no, he was a rookie, Jamar Chase the Rookie 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.240 the Year, but no, it's yeah Chase. I mean, you know, 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.480 runner up a great pick in Mac Jones, and they 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:20.439 just need to surround him with weapons. 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:21.920 Agreed, they need this round. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.720 Brady too, that was what he was complaining about. They 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.800 tried with Antonio Brown, did not work. Let's go and 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.960 talk about the NFC right now. The Rams of course, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.080 you run it back as the kids like to say, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.959 plus four point fifty the Packers plus six hundred. 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.600 I actually love this Packer number right now. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:37.880 To me, I would jump on this one because as 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.640 soon as Rogers gives you a definitive answer here, and 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.679 it seems like it's going in this direction. I think 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:44.360 that number is going to go to three to one. Bogs, 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:44.880 they really do. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:46.800 The Cowboys are at six to one. 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.760 Then you got the forty nine Ers at plus six fifty, 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.520 the Cardinals at plus twelve, the Buccaneers at plus thirteen. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.000 I gotta be honest with you, full transparency. 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.719 I do not love this NFC board at all, and 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.440 this is the time to get in on the Packers. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:00.720 And you know me, I love Aaron Roger so much 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.319 so if I'm telling you this is the time to 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.480 get in on a plus six hundred, I would get 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.240 on it right now, because when he comes back and 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.480 Adams comes back, this goes to I don't know, three 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.959 to one, probably if not two and a half, depending 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.800 on if the Rams have some weird offseason things happen. 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.320 What do you think of this NFC board the way 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:18.000 it looks. 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.200 Yeah, I mean I think, like you said, it's not 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.280 as appealing as some of those teams in the AFC, 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.240 but it also makes it easier to get there. Right 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.000 So I'm with you in the Green Bay plus six hundred, 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.680 I'll say this though, I think my favorite one here 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.120 might be just taking a long shot on Tampa Bay. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.160 I know Tom Brady has you know, retired. I'm not 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.000 one hundred percent convinced that that is a lock, right. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:45.960 I think he's probably gonna be retired, but I know 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.280 they're doing everything they possibly can to get him back. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.080 But I think once he said it, it's pretty much done. 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.640 But that doesn't mean that they can't do the same 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.880 thing they did with Brady with somebody else. Why not 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.920 go get Aaron Rodgers, try to go get air run, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.320 try to get Russell Wilson, you know, I mean, try 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.600 to work something else out. Because the core of this 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:12.680 team is there and intact. So I definitely think maybe 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.320 taking a shot on Tampa Bay could be good. Not 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.040 looking great with Kyle Trask as the quarterback right now, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.440 I'll say that, although I do like Kyle Trask for 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.240 one of the most people. But yeah, I mean, they 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.440 get Rogers or Russell Wilson, it's going to do the 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.920 same thing you just said about Aaron Rodgers going back 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:33.240 to Green Bay. The six to one for Green Bay 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.120 turned in three to one. This thirteen would probably turn 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.560 into six for Tampa Bay. If they got Russell Wilson 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.040 or Rogers or somebody. 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.600 All right, let's look ahead at the Super Bowl outright, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.520 betting right now that you can do on the twenty 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:50.280 twenty three Super Bowl. Buffalo Bill's seven to one odds 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.880 right now, the Chiefs at seven point fifty. You got 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.760 the Rams at plus twelve, the Packers at plus thirteen. 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.840 I keep coming back to the Packers box because I 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.600 feel like the path is there, and not even just 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.840 the quarterbacks too, but also, I mean, you're taking away coaches. 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:04.840 Let do you think about it too? 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.000 You have new coaches coming in, but also guys like 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.040 Sean Payton not there anymore. You always think, you know, 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.840 Sean Payton's a great football coach. There's so much turnover 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.160 in the NFC. I would be looking to bet the 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.280 Rams at twelve to one to get back or the 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.720 Packers at thirteen to one to get back, because you're 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:21.400 getting double the amount of odds, and I feel like 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.920 the path back there is relatively easy. I mean, can 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.080 we count on the Cowboys? Can we count on a 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.640 second year quarterback and Trey Lance really being transcendent? It's possible, 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.040 but it's kind of a tough sell. I would not 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:34.720 bet on the Bengals to make it back there at 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.680 twenty to one. I know it's very intriguing, but teams 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.520 that lose the Super Bowl typically do not make it 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.800 back the next year. Just go look at the track record. 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:42.960 It's guys named Wilson and Brady. Outside of that in 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.960 the last twenty years, it does not happen. So that's 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.160 kind of where I'm going. The long shots, like the 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.720 Chargers at plus twenty four hundred that one. I'm kind 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.600 of intrigued by the Ravens at twenty to one, but 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.400 Bogs to me the best bet on the board of 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.760 those two favorites in the NFC, because you're getting twelve 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:01.440 thirteen to one respectively. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:03.440 Yeah, I mean, I think you're right. 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.560 I think the Rams are probably my favorite one here 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:09.000 at twelve to one. Right, I don't mind Kansas City 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.000 at seven and a half to one. By the way, 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.800 you know the experience you have, Patrick Mahomes, you have 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:19.280 a chance right, one that we didn't mention in the AFC, 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.560 and I should have mentioned it because it's the exact 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.320 same scenario. I feel like as Tampa Bay is Tennessee, 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.640 there's been a little bit of Rogers. Maybe the Tennessee 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.920 kicks around, and if he does, go to Tennessee. While 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.880 the AFC is tough. Now you're in the AFC South 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.119 with Houston, Indy who just missed the playoffs, and Jacksonville 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.639 has a number one overall pick. So if that was 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.760 a real landing spot for a Wilson or a Rogers, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.520 I think that's a great spot too. Good offensive line, 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.920 great running game, Dereck Henry. Obviously you have weapons in 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.040