1 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Hello everyone. On episode one to two to two of 2 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory podcast, I'm your host, Brad rowand coming 3 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: to you on a Sunday. It's the Winter Meetings, and 4 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm joined by Scott Coleman. Scott, it was both fun 5 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: talk to Steven and also just a little bit weird 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: when it's not meaning you sometimes, you know, the Coleman's 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: got in our way, and people love the Coleman's. Everyone 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: loves the Coleman's. Could stop talking about it? 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: Hey, Brad, Yeah, it was great to do a show 10 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: with Sean and the Coleman combo as he's so perfectly coined. 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: But yes, back in the saddle on our usual time, 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: slid deep into Sunday night. Of course, the Winter Meetings 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: have begun and there was fireworks on night one, which 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: obviously didn't involve the brand, but nonetheless fireworks. And hopefully 15 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: now the damn will really break and really get going, 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: because there has been some picked up activity the last 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 2: three or four days across baseball, and now that one 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: Soto has signed, you would presume that maybe the next 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: four to five or six or seven days should be 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: pretty crazy, and hopefully the Braves are in that mix. 21 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: That's right, and Scott just spoiled the big news that 22 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: people already know about the time listening to this podcast, 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: but one, so sign a contract today. We should also 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: say we are part of Territory as a network. By 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: the way, wall to wall coverage all week long for 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Feel Territory, so check out the flagship show. But also 27 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: we are covering the Braves every day on Hammer Territory. 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: Please subscribe to this podcast one Apple and Spotify, as 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: well as on YouTube place like the video as you 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: were watching it. But yeah, no big Braves news just yet. 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: We were playing to do episodes, if not every day, 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: it was close to it during the winter meetings. Technically 33 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: they haven't started yet. It's technically Monday morning, but everyone's 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: already there. Now, everybody's already in Dallas, so it's like, 35 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: all right, here we go, and let's begin with one. 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: So I do even though it's not a Braves thing, 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: because it's that kind of deal. The largest deal with 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: American sports history is what it's been reported as fifteen 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: years and seven hundred and sixty five million American dollars, 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: and it could be even more. Apparently it's been reported 41 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: there's there's some esculayers in that contract could be over 42 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: one hundred dollars a hundred million dollars, I should say, 43 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: by the end, and it might be an opt out regardless. 44 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: We don't we don't cover we don't cover one so 45 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: to build it beat necessarily, But it's a lot of money. 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: And the Braves thing, in addition to as you reference, 47 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: the damn maybe breaking on everybody else. He's going to 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: the Mets, which is of course a division rival. The 49 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: Braves not ideal there, but he's not going to the Dodgers. 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: So there's a mini celebration across baseball. But he's not 51 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: going to the Dodgers because it would have felt even 52 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: more unfair than it kind of already does with the Dodgers. 53 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: What do you make of this? He's staying in New York, 54 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: but I mean once it was great. Obviously there's no 55 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: one else to be had there. But it's a lot 56 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: of money. 57 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: I suppose a lot of money, a lot of years. 58 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: Based on reporting, he Soto can opt out after five season, 59 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: so I don't know, five years with the Mets, maybe 60 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 2: he'll he'll say enough is enough, and I mean crazy 61 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 2: enough Soda would only be thirty or thirty one years 62 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: old at the time of that opt out. 63 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: If he's still as good as he is now, that's 64 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: a big if. He probably will opt out because he'll 65 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: still get another massive deal at the years. Yeah. 66 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: I mean the way that free agency is going so 67 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: far this winter, it's it's really good to be a 68 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: free agent right now and play professional baseball across the board. 69 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: I mean, not even just Sodo getting the biggest contract 70 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: of all time, but ninety percent of free agents to 71 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: sign so far have beaten expectations for what the projections 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: expected them to sign for. And I mean, man, it's 73 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: it's not a surprise to me anyway that the Braves 74 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: have not been involved with like this first wave of 75 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: free agency. I don't know about you, Brad. Historically Alex 76 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: has actually been more aggressive than most in free agency, 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: but usually the deal has been more to what he 78 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: looks for. Josh Donaldson signing for one year, striking pretty 79 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: fast on Ronaldo Lopez and Pierce Johnson and Joejimenez a 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: year ago, like those who are all kind of jiving 81 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: with the Alex and Thopoless mold. I when I think 82 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: of Alex and Thopless, I don't think of somebody who's 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: going to go out there and with a bidding. 84 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: War for better or worse. 85 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: You know, you probably have a conversation that instead of 86 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: going out and winning a bidding war for I don't know, 87 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: picking out fielder last year ti Oscar Hernandez, instead of 88 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: moving around and spending a bunch of money or acquiring 89 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: a bunch of money to trade for Jared Kelnick well 90 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: a year later, signing ti Oscar Hernandez would have been 91 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: much easier and it would have been far more profitable. 92 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: But then for every good free agent deal, you have 93 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: bad free agent deals too. And I don't know, I 94 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: mean Juan Soto, great hitter, hell of a hitter, I mean, 95 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: depending on what It's hard to compare baseball players from 96 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: like nineteen fifty two to twenty twenty four, but I mean, 97 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: statistically speaking, so far one Soto has been like a 98 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 2: top twenty five ish hitter in the history of baseball 99 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: to this point in his career. But fifteen years he's 100 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: going to be a first baseman or a dh for 101 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: a large portion of that contract too. I don't know. 102 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: It's just many angles, and we will not turn this 103 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: into a New York Mets podcast, but nonetheless seven. I 104 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 2: mean even like the NFL guys like Adam Schefter was like, yeah, 105 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: you don't see these deals in the NFL, and we 106 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: know what kind of money the NFL is rolling. 107 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: In these days. So those those anywhere you mentioned the 108 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: age part of this, like he's the unicorn that hits 109 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: for agency at twenty six and if you do that, 110 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: you can break the mold. And he did. But yeah, 111 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of money. That's kind of 112 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: all I have. And I personally prefer him being in too. 113 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: As for the Braves, I would rather have him be 114 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: in New York than with the Dodgers. That might be 115 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: controversial because the Mets are of course of division rival 116 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: and he raises their floor. He's just, you know, he's 117 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: that kind of player. But the Mets are the Mets, 118 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: and you know, they just kind of do stuff. And 119 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: Steve CON's got a lot of money, so we'll see. 120 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned it before. But yeah, about the 121 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: Alex thing, I'm not surprised he does work quickly, but 122 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: this is not a market that is Alex pilled so far. 123 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: He works quickly because generally, if you beat the market, 124 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: you can you can maybe get a couple of bargains 125 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the market because it hasn't been 126 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: set yet, it was very clear. Other than maybe Tyler O'Neill, 127 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: no one signed a big multi year deal for less 128 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: than it was projected to be. Literally no one else. 129 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: It's all been out or above. Even the Sodo deal 130 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: was above where people were projecting it to be. Kakouchi. 131 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: All these guys have signed for Frankie Montas, like all 132 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: across the board. It's been a lot of money for everybody, 133 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: and that's not the sam Olex Alex likes to play in, 134 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: and there is a debate you can maybe have about 135 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: whether that's a good idea or not. I think it's 136 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: very clear Alex has done a good job in his 137 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: job over multiple seasons. So it's like hard to Yeah, 138 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: there's moves we haven't loved, and there's moves that haven't 139 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: worked perfectly. No one bats a thousand, But I'm not 140 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: surprised knowing the market that he hasn't moved. If you 141 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: said Alex won't do anything early, that would have been 142 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: a mild surprise. But in typical Alex fashion, he did 143 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: move early. He just moved with trades and not signing. 144 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,679 Speaker 1: You know, he did little stuff at the very very beginning, 145 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: and now he's been quiet, you know, and even today 146 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: he spoke to the media in Dallas, shouts to people 147 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: like Grant McCauley just justin discon Omork Bowman, David Brian 148 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: who were all there. Alex gave a pretty Alex in 149 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: the interview. I don't know if you, I don't know 150 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: what you've read so far about the transcripts. It's very funny. 151 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: Like the big headliner was that he very plainly said 152 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: that the competitive ALLAE tax threshold will not be a 153 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: big deterrent for them, which is not a huge surprise, like, 154 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: nor would he say it would be if it was 155 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: going to be. But at the same time, like, yeah, duh, 156 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: was my response. But as Steve and I got into 157 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: in depth last at the end of last week about 158 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: the payroll, there is a budding theory from Braves fans 159 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: in some corners that they were like never going to 160 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: pay the tax again, or I don't think it's going 161 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: to be a huge deterrent, and Alex got in front 162 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: of that one pretty quickly was like, no, it's not 163 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: something we're worried about too much. 164 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Braves entopoless by his actions the 165 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: last couple of years have shown and said they don't 166 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: care about the CBT. Now do I expect the Braves 167 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: to run a four hundred million dollars payroll on opening day. No, 168 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: but it was healthy last year. It's been a healthy 169 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: payroll the last couple of years. I thought you and 170 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: Steven did a really nice job kind of outlining this 171 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: year's team and where payroll currently stands. And if folks 172 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: want to listen to that deep dive, I would highly 173 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: recommend it if you didn't already. But you know, this 174 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: idea that the Braves won't pay a portion of a 175 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: competitive balanced tax, to me, just doesn't make sense. The 176 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: team is printing money. Attendance continues to be very high. 177 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: Even with everything that went wrong last year, they still 178 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: won eighty nine games, still made the playoffs, and it 179 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: was like a ninety ninth percentile outcome of bad stuff 180 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: last year. For this team, it is very much a 181 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: World Series contender, and hopefully over the next couple of 182 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: weeks and months, Ali can go out and acquire talent, 183 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: whether in trade or free agency, and really pour some 184 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: fuel onto this fire. Because we know, man. I mean, 185 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: this team is just a year removed from being back 186 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: to back one hundred plus win teams. And sure the 187 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: playoffs have knock gone the way they've won in the 188 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: last few years, but that's baseball, man. I mean, heck, 189 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: the Dodgers were. The Dodgers won the World Series, they 190 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 2: were a game away from losing the Nlds to the 191 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: Padres before their bullpen through eighteen consecutive innings. They head 192 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: back to back bullpen games and I believe and when 193 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: eighteen scoreless, I mean, it's amazing how one game or 194 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: one bounce of the baseball can change all the storylines, 195 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: all the narratives, and at the end of the day, 196 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: no matter what the fine folks on Twitter might tell you, 197 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: this is still a good team. Alex and Thoppolis is. 198 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: Very good at what he does. 199 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: And as long as we're not sitting here in three 200 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: months still asking when the moves are going to be made, 201 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt and 202 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: we'll just kind of see where the chips fall. 203 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: So a lot of this show is going to be 204 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: kind of a to do list. Some of it will 205 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: be repetitive from our previous episodes of like everyone kind 206 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: of knows the deal, what the Braves need to do. 207 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: It'll also be kind of a catch up on who's 208 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: come off the board so far in free agency that 209 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: could have been bricks targets. It won't probably be our 210 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: longest episode because we might do it every day this week. 211 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: We'll see how this all goes. And because that haven't 212 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: made a moves yet, we're in a holding pattern. But 213 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: I did want to, you know, beyond the one so 214 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: to move before that. The big headliner of the weekend 215 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: was William Domas, who was probably the biggest name the 216 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Braves were somewhat attached to in this process. He comes 217 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: off the board for seven years and one eighty two 218 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: to the giants. I'll ask you this, Scott, we'll stop 219 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,119 Speaker 1: right here. Would you have done the deal as the bravest? 220 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: We don't know if the Braves got in it that 221 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: to the end yet I don't see anything like that, 222 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: but you, Scott Coleman, knowing the Braves constraints not just 223 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: in the Brad and Scott say it's not our money purview, 224 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: which we are of course with love to say, what 225 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: are you making that? Was that? Was that a reasonable 226 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: deal for him to sign with the Giants, Like, if 227 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: the Braves did that, what would your reaction with it? 228 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: So, if the Braves signed Willia Domas for seven years, 229 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty two million, I would be very excited. One, 230 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: I'd be extremely excited, But two, I think I'd be 231 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: very realistic about the fact that years five, six, and 232 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: or seven of that deal for a shortstop who will 233 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: be in his mid thirties would be pretty terrifying. But 234 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: you know, again, it's hard to do analysis of a 235 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: team and of a player in the year twenty thirty 236 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: one or whatever it's going to be whenever that deal 237 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 2: runs out. 238 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I thought it was kind of spot on. Like, 239 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I know we were not almost to make this comparison, 240 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: but we comped it to Dansby Swanson a couple months ago. 241 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: It's almost the exact same contract. Dansby got seven for 242 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: one seventy seven. It's essentially the exact same deal with 243 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: a tiny bit of inflation on it, and it's a 244 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: lot of money. I think it would have been reasonable 245 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: for the Braves to do your points one hundred percent 246 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: right that it would have probably ended badly. I'd love 247 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: to know what Alex offered Willa donis we probably will 248 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: never know the answer to that question. H And but 249 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: you look, we he was realistic because it was a 250 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: shortstop and it was a clear need. But that's the 251 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: top of the market. And Alex to this point, as 252 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: we've said numerous times, has never paid a top of 253 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: the market deal for a free agent like this before. 254 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: The only thing there is the only fact that he's 255 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: staying in the National League all those things is that 256 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: if it's a free agent, there's really only one more 257 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: guy that's available that is a clear upgrade on Orlando Arcia, 258 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: which is a crazy thing to say, but one guy 259 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: available in free agency that's a clear upgrade. It's hass 260 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: On Kim. He has the injury. That's a kind of 261 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: shrouded mystery there. Maybe you could argue, like I saw 262 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: someone arguing on behalf of Paul de Young. Maybe you 263 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: could say he's better than Orlando RCA, but not by much. 264 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't I wouldn't call that a 265 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: clear upgrade. That's maybe a marginal one if that so, Look, 266 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: they could make trades too, And as we've come to 267 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: grip with the last couple of weeks, maybe they could 268 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: maybe go with Arcia. Again, that's not We've never ruled 269 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: that out by any chance. But there's only one guy 270 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: a monitor. So if Hassan Kim comes off the board 271 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: in the next couple of days, you will know the 272 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: Braids are into shortstop, trade or or Land or como basically. 273 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: And I'm really curious to see what kind of deal 274 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: Hassan Kim gets. He underwent shoulder surgery. I believe he 275 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: had a torn labrum and is not certain to be 276 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: ready for opening day. He might miss a month or 277 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: even two in the first half, and that's significant for 278 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: a lot of teams. So I'm very curious to see 279 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: just what kind of contract Kim gets. If it's a 280 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: one year deal and tries to bounce back and put 281 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 2: together a healthy season and show that shoulder is ready 282 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: to go, or if teams are going to look past 283 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: it and go okay, we can fill in shortstop for 284 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: forty five games and give him a three or four 285 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: year deal. He is a Boris client. That is a 286 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: deterrent at some level, And as you just said, I mean, 287 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: if you're looking for a shortstop and you don't want 288 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: to use prospects to trade for one, Hassan Kim is 289 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: basically your only real significant choice. Paul de Young, I mean, 290 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: he was okay last year, but he's I mean a 291 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: lot of it was smoking mirrors. I think we talked 292 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 2: about him quite a bit at the deadline too, So 293 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: for my I mean, look, man, I am I am 294 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: the farthest thing away from an Orlando Arcia supporter. But 295 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: I can say objectively that if I had to say 296 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: who's going to be the Braves' shortstop on opening day, 297 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to guess it's Arcia, and then they will 298 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: invest either significant money or prospects to adding a legitimately 299 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 2: good corner outfield there. 300 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Arcia is the favorite, to be sure, and look 301 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: like a trade for some guys. You know, people have 302 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: been mentioning Tarro Fitzgerald, who played to urtse up with 303 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: the Giants this year, and they just silually Adamis. But 304 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: Gerald's not necessarily a pure shortstop. Defensively, it's kind of 305 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: rough there maybe, but he hit a lot last year. 306 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: He's a younger guy twenty's in his mid twenties, could 307 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: be appealing if they're looking to sell on him. Nico 308 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: Horner has been in the news I say Cubs potential 309 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: trade piece. There are trade options in them now, but 310 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: they are they're available. But I think you said this 311 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: at some point, if not today, already, it seems like 312 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: from public comments and the buzz out there, shortstops not 313 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: like a it's not screaming at Alex the way that 314 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: it's screaming at us. It doesn't seem maybe we're wrong 315 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: about that, maybe he's doing a good job smoke screening. 316 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: But most of the focus that's been from the beat, 317 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: from the beat guys who are plugged in on some level, 318 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: has been about starting pitching, where Alex pretty flatly said 319 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: today we want it at a starter, which is not 320 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: a huge surprise, but he just kind of said that plainly, 321 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: like okay, that's correct, and outfield, I don't think shortstop 322 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: is maybe as big of a deal to them as 323 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: it is to us, but maybe they'll prove us wrong. Yeah, 324 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: I think. 325 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's pretty clear the Braves think 326 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: higher of Orlando Arcia than you and I do, and 327 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 2: probably most segments of the fan base. You can make 328 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: a level headed, straight faced argument that if the rest 329 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: of the lineup is good and guys bounce back and 330 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: guys are healthy, that Orlando Arcia as your shortstop in 331 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: the ninth spot in the order will not kill you. 332 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: But as I think you and I outlined on the 333 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: show a week ago, that is a perfect case scenario 334 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: where everybody else is hitting, you don't have anybody else injured, 335 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: because if either of those occur, and say you have 336 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: two of your other guys are banged up all of 337 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: a sudden, then the bottom third of your order is 338 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: kind of like a black hole, and that's just where 339 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: rallies go to die. It's really tough to sustain offense 340 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: every single night when you have multiple players hitting at 341 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: such a low level. Maybe the new hitting coach can 342 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: get something out of Orlando, and maybe the Braves go 343 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: out and acquire a shortstop. As we said, it's not 344 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: impossible by any means. I think the trade route is 345 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: pretty clearly more likely if they are going to do it, 346 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 2: but we did want to quickly hit on that. I 347 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: guess from those closer to the team, those who are 348 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: in Dallas with the Braves and cover the team on 349 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: the road and everything like that, they tend to think 350 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: outfield and starting pitching are the two clear priorities for 351 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: the team, and then bullpen is probably a priority, but 352 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: not something that Alex is necessarily looking under every single 353 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: rock for right now. He probably has bigger fish to fry, 354 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: quite honestly, speaking of the bullpen and stuff, you know, 355 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: started pitching, we'll go, we'll go start pitch it first, 356 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 2: Alex did say today and it was treated as like 357 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 2: news in some courts. I don't want to think it 358 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: is news, but he mentioned the potential to use Grant 359 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: Holmes as a starter next year, not as like plan A, 360 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: but we we've discussed that. It's obviously an option. He 361 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: started at the end of last season, so I wasn't 362 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: I don't know why people were surprised. It was like, hey, 363 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: he's another for me. It's like he's another name. It's 364 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: not like they're going to write Grant Holmes and Penn 365 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: as the four starter right now. 366 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: But that's uh, what do you what do you make? 367 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: Am I crazy? I'm like, I was like, yeah, pretty 368 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: obviously he's a candidate to be a fifth starter option. Yeah. Yeah, 369 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: that's kind of why I was. I just want to 370 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: say out loud, but it was reported out there he 371 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: said it, so there you have it. Grant Holmes, we 372 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: like Grant Holmes. 373 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we we do like Grant Holmes. I mean, set 374 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: aside just the awesome story that he has, but Holmes 375 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: was legitimately good last season. Got a ton of swing 376 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: and miss, gave the Braves some really important innings, and 377 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: was frankly pretty solid as a back end of the 378 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: rotation option for them, and especially I know, looking back 379 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 2: on the season, it almost feels like the pitchers were 380 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: worse than they were because the Braves were still losing 381 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: games when it was like two to one. But if 382 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: the offense can get going and Grant Holmes can give 383 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: you five solid innings every couple of nights, I mean 384 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: that you. 385 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: Take that all day. 386 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: And the fact is that you and I and everybody 387 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: on this podcast have said forever that teams need far 388 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 2: more than five starting pitchers to navigate a season. The 389 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: Braves have already come out and said that Spencer Strider 390 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 2: is not going to be ready for opening day. It 391 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: could be a month, that could be two months, who 392 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 2: knows where he's going to be, So you presumably will 393 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: need a fill in, hybrid starter type for at least 394 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: the month of April. And again, we don't have to 395 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: really litigate all of it. But Chris Sale healthy for 396 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: the first time in six years, Schwellenbach and Lopez just 397 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 2: threw a ton of innings. All of that said, you 398 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: can never have too much shorting pitching, and I was. 399 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: I was surprised too, Like I think even Alex would 400 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: be like, Wow, you guys got super wound up about that. Yeah, 401 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: Grant Holmes is a good piece to have. He can start, 402 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: he can open, he can be in your bullpen. You're 403 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: gonna need eight, ten, twelve guys to start games and 404 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: you gotta cover what is it like, eleven hundred innings 405 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: over the course of a full season. You need a 406 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: lot of pitchers and you can do a lot worse 407 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: than what Grant Holmes showed last season because he was 408 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 2: legitimately good. 409 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he was. And throwing the mix either long 410 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: relief and the rotation whatever you got. Of course, you 411 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: got waldroped, you got Smith shover like there's we've we've 412 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: discussed this at length, but is uh throw in the 413 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: mixes all I'll say. And again Alex has plainly said 414 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: they would have a starter where that's what range that 415 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: guy comes in, like whether they get in the top 416 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: of the mar not necessarily, like even the mid top 417 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: of the market, somebody in the Eabaldi range or whatever, 418 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: or they go a little bit lower. That might depend 419 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: on where the market lands and what Alex's payroll number is. 420 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: That we'll never know. All that's notable. And of course 421 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: you still got Freed out there, you got Morton out there. 422 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: Those are different parts of the market Freed. It seems 423 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: like the interest is very high on Max Freed. No surprise, 424 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: everyone's we just talked about this. Everyone's getting above their projections. 425 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: Max's projections were order really high. If Max gets above 426 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: his projection, I will be surprised. If it's the Braves, 427 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: let's just say yeah. 428 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: Bob Nightingale wrote in his Sunday column that he expects 429 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 2: Max Freed to sign for two hundred million dollars or more. 430 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: I love Max Freed. I think you do too. 431 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: I think just about everybody listening to this show loves 432 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: Max Freed. But man, that is a lot capital letters, 433 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: a lot of money to give him. And hey, good 434 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: for Max. I mean, the dude, he did everything the 435 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: right way. He was zero drama while he was here. 436 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: He pitched through some injuries. I'm pretty sure this past 437 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: season he pitched through that elbow issue, the nerve problem 438 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: that was giving him numbness and tingling in his fingers. 439 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: Pretty sure that Max was pitching through something because he 440 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 2: just didn't have his command for like a month. After 441 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: he came back the Ultimate Competitor, he pitched a World 442 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: series clincher. There's only so many guys on the planet 443 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: who can say that. But hey, good for Max. He's 444 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: going to be a very, very, very wealthy man. And 445 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: it could be any minute. It feels like the Yankees, 446 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: the Red Sox, maybe Toronto, if Toronto wants to make 447 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: a splash. I guess it feels like Max is going 448 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: to have maybe a half dozen suitors who are ready 449 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: to give him twenty five to thirty million dollars a year, 450 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 2: and hey, good for him. 451 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: Beyond Max, the pitching market has moved a lot. I mean, 452 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: we'd named the naps before, but blick spell, he said Acucci, 453 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: Luis Severino. Shane Bieber came off the list, a guy 454 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: that I liked as a potential flyer, me too, Franky Mantas, 455 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Matthew Boyd. Clay Holmes is kind of one of those 456 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: hybrid guys all off the market now and it's still 457 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: gonna even keep going, so we'll see where they end 458 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: up going there. And you know, same thing with Morton. 459 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: I think Braids Bekuys are not gonna like it. They 460 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: resign Charlie, but they might reach Charlie. We'll see. Bullpen wise, 461 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: we understand the need with Joemna's unavailable. A JM mentter 462 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: old friend twisting out there in free agency. Alex went 463 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: out of his way today to talk up days Bell Hornendez, 464 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: a Braves fan favorite. Days has been good, the flash 465 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: has been good, but Alex betched him in a positive light. Also, 466 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: a couple more of the bigger name relievers gome off 467 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: the market today. Blake tring and signed, not with the Braves. 468 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: Clay Holmes, who's that I got a highbrid guy but 469 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: could have been a reliever signed. I just candidly don't know, Scott. 470 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: If the Braves are even interested at the top of 471 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: the reliever market. It might be in the middle or 472 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: a trade or whatever. They do want to get more 473 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: help in the bullpen, and they probably need to given 474 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: the absence of a menace, But that's one where I've 475 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: never felt comfortable with, Like, are the Braves even interested 476 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: at the top of the market because they do have 477 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: a closer already, like I mean closers outdated Urn, but 478 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: they they're already paying Glacis and he's obviously awesome, so 479 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: the need at that level may not be as big, 480 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: but they do want more depth than they have now 481 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: without him than is. 482 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this team, I think pretty clearly they 483 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: have bigger needs than the bullpen right now. And bullpen 484 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: is just so much easier to fill with taking flyers 485 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: on guys, you know, for my money, instead of paying 486 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: one reliever ten million dollars, sign two or three of 487 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: them who do things well that you like. And maybe 488 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: they're coming off an injury, maybe they're coming off a 489 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 2: bat or unlucky season. Maybe there's I don't know, there's 490 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 2: always a weird situation for players in free agency as 491 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: to why they're available. So sure, I'm guessing the Braves 492 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 2: you're probably checking in on all the relievers and getting 493 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: an idea of their markets. But I mean, Alex loves 494 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: to spend on the bullpen. He already has what maybe 495 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: twenty five thirty million dollars committed to the bullpen with 496 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 2: the Galacia is making quite a bit of cash. So 497 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 2: if you're telling me that he wants to prioritize other 498 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: spots and then kind of fill in the bullpen. That 499 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 2: feels like a more of like a January and February 500 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: job to me, and hopefully now in December he can 501 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: focus on these bigger, more glaring issues. Because bullpens man 502 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: longtime listeners. We say it, We'll say it a million times, 503 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: We'll say it a million more. Bullpens are volatile. Relievers 504 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: are volatile. They are the hardest group to project because 505 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: they change so much year over year, and only the 506 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: great ones are consistently great. And I think at the 507 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: end of the day, you just try to accumulate as 508 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: much talent and as much stuff as you can in 509 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: a bullpen and then hope that it lasted six months 510 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 2: of the regular season and then a month of the playoffs. 511 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: We've gone a couple of our old standbys on this 512 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: podcast already. Bullpens are volatile, and you already and you 513 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: also need thirteen starting pitchers every year. Things that people 514 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: just always get mad at the spell, but they're just 515 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: proven to be the case, like it is what it is. 516 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: Away from pitching. The outphat market is interesting, I think 517 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: I said earlier that Tyler O'Neil is like the only 518 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: free agent that signed like a fairly modest contract three years, 519 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 1: fifteen million or so with the Orioles. But he was 520 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: a He's a right handed bat, which is why we 521 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: have talked about him a lot. He wasn't like the Braves. 522 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: I think one left hand of bat in the outfield. 523 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: In some ways, maybe you could say that they could 524 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: sign a guy if they thought it was a great fit. 525 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: I think it would have been interesting. But he's been 526 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: some durability issues too. But I gotta came off the board, 527 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: and also Steven's guy, Michael Couldforto off the board one year, 528 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: seventeen million with the Dodgers. Stephen sent us a DM 529 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: right away. He's he's in mourning, and I think you 530 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: and I talked about him a lot too, not as 531 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: much as Steven, but Cudforto would have been a very 532 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: interesting short term righty masher piece that they basically need. 533 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: But they can't get him because the Dater sign. Everybody's 534 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: got everyone. 535 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: Yeah they do. I mean, hey, when you when you're 536 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: deferring like one point two billion dollars or whatever they've deferred, 537 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: it's easier to do, I guess, but yeah, you know, 538 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: I'm I'm curious to know if the Braves are in 539 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: on Conforto. One year deal is the Alex Enthopolis special 540 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 2: and seveneventeen million dollars for a player who had really 541 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 2: extreme splits home road. I mean, I would have been 542 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: very happy if the Braves signed Michael Conforto to a 543 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: one year, seventeen million dollar deal. I agree wholeheartedly with 544 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: what you said on Tyler O'Neill. A interesting hitter, a 545 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: good hitter when he's healthy, but just not a fit 546 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: for what the Braves need. And now that Juan Soto 547 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: has signed, and maybe the deck has been cleared quite 548 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: a bit, and now we'll really get into kind of 549 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 2: this second wave of hitters. Anthony Santander is a really 550 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: good hitter. I don't know if he necessarily fits the Braves, 551 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 2: but nonetheless he's going to be out there. And then 552 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 2: the trademarket, presumably is where I think Alex will be 553 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: looking for outfield help. Of course, so many outfielders who 554 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: you can pick and choose from and try to find 555 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: your guy, and hopefully it just you know, not to 556 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: send astray to Jared Kelmick, but hopefully it works out 557 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: a little bit better than what Jared Keelmick did for 558 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: this team last year. Yeah, and since an Ner is 559 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: a great example, like I think he and o'ne O'Neill's cheaper, 560 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: but I mean right handed hitters, they don't really fit exactly. 561 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,239 Speaker 2: You know, beggar skate with choosers either. If there's if 562 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: that's the guy they like and they believe in the profile, 563 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: they might do it. I don't think that alex Is is 564 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: like totally merry to We can't set a right hand 565 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: at bat, but it's, uh, you're weighing the market at 566 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: this early stage. We haven't talked about it just for 567 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: new listeners. We've we've covered all of these things. 568 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: Individually on different shows, and most of them are still 569 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: relevant because as much of guys are signing, the themes 570 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: are the same for the bread it's till something changes 571 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: and that's where we are right now. The last thing 572 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: that's like very very low the list, which is why 573 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: it's the last on the list, is like we don't 574 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: know if they're trying to find a back backup catcher. 575 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: We get a question about this every day, I feel 576 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: like on on social media, like hey, what about what 577 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: about catcher? I think part of that's people people are 578 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: met about Sean Murphy, but also if it's Chadwick Trump, 579 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: that's not exactly a sexy option behind Sean Murphy. I 580 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: think Murphy's gonna play more than these, more than he's 581 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: ever played, probably, but a lot of the catcher names 582 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: that people have recognize are gone. If they sign a 583 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: backup catcher or trade for one, it's gonna be a 584 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: boring guy. I think Scott, it's gonna be someone that's 585 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: like a Marshal upgrade on show with Trump, and it's 586 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: gonna be the Sean Murphy Show. 587 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: It feels like, yeah, it feels that way at least, 588 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: you know, what, are we a month into the off 589 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 2: season that the Braves for better or worse? 590 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: There's nobody left on its far as like good catchers, 591 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: they're all going I read a story yesterday that was like, 592 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: uh so literally right it this way. It was like, 593 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: uh dot dot dot so dot dot. Gary Sanchez is 594 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: the best catcher available on the market, and it was 595 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: like question mark. I think he even signed since then, 596 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: Like it's it's dark, there's nobody to sign a catcher. 597 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: It's just that's what it. 598 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: Is yeah, so so far. I mean, really, the catcher 599 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: market is one of the few position player groups that 600 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: has moved. Darnault, Kyle Higashioka, who just killed the Braves 601 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: in the round, Danny Jensen, Gary Sanchez. All four of 602 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: those have signed and signed for real money. So I'm 603 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: guessing the Braves will bring in a veteran backup catcher, 604 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: probably someone a little better than Chadwick Trump. I think 605 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: Trump has a role in the organization because, as we know, 606 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: catchers get hurt. It's a very physically demanding position. But 607 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 2: for my money, they're shaping this up to be a 608 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: Sean Murphy and pretty close to. 609 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: An everyday role. 610 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: And I know there's a lot of people who don't 611 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: believe in Murphy, but again, man, look at the back 612 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: of his baseball card, if you will, once upon a 613 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: time as recently his last year really was a good 614 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 2: five to six war catcher, and those are really valuable. 615 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: So the Braves are committed to Murphy for another four years. 616 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: I think we just have to hope that Murphy bounces 617 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: back and unlock something the way he did in his 618 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 2: first few months with Atlanta, and it's shaping up to 619 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: be a really important year for Sean Murphy, which is 620 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: what's going to be asked of him this year. And 621 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 2: then of course there's also Drake Baldwin. I'm not sure 622 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: exactly what the Braves have in mind for him. 623 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, Brad. 624 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: I mean, my feel with Drake Baldwin is they would 625 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: prefer for Baldwin to start every day in Gwinad then 626 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: for him to be the lesser side of a Sean 627 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 2: Murphy platoon. But that's I mean that that's just me. 628 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: No, I think that's exactly what it is. And if 629 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: you read between the lines from the beat guys too, 630 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: I think everyone no one's been like yelling in from 631 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: the rooftops, But all indications are the Braves do not 632 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: want to have Drake Baldwin just be a backup catcher. 633 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: I think that maybe by the end of the season, 634 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: like you know, he plays every day for three months 635 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: and they're like, all right, let's just have him come 636 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: up and be the big leagues for a while. And 637 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: that's that. I can see that in April, I will 638 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: be very surprised if he is on the big league 639 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: roster if Sean Murphy is healthy, like if Murphy gets hurt, 640 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: in spring, maybe you call up Baldwin and he's he's 641 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: your starting catcher. But if Murphy is available and the 642 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: way that he's supposed to be, yeah, I put me 643 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: on that side too, like a prospect, Like like Baldwin, 644 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: you don't want that guy just playing twice a week. 645 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: That's that doesn't make sense. Just go to backup guy 646 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: and we'll see and maybe trade him to That's that's 647 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,239 Speaker 1: the underlying stuff of all this. We're talking about free 648 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: agency because it's the hot stove right now, but the 649 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: trade stuff is all in front of you still. Everything 650 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: we talks about all winter long, they could trade prospects. 651 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: The one report I can't remember was a DBA. You 652 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: can help me out here. Somebody reported this week that 653 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: they basically are saying no to everything on Hurst and 654 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: Waldrop that was out there. Do you remember who said that? Yeah? Uh, 655 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: I should have wrote that down, but yeah, he basically 656 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: reported that Waldrop's like basically off limits. That was notable 657 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: to me because he did not list other guys in 658 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: the off limits camp. 659 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 2: Uh. 660 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know what I mean. It's it's it's 661 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: not like a given, it's not one hundred percent off limits. 662 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: It's not Ronald Raccoon. You were not trading this guy, 663 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: but he was in kind of a different tier in 664 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: the way it was framed versus Smith Shover or Nacho 665 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: or you know. Ball. One's kind of interesting too. Is 666 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: of course a very valuable player if you if a 667 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: team wants to Major Ball when they're catcher for long term, 668 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: I would understand that he's a pretty interesting player. But 669 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, there's always a possibility slash probability that Alex 670 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: to sides that a position is better filled via trade, 671 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: and ultimately, as much as it'd be better for everyone involved, 672 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: if they don't have to trade anybody, you probably have 673 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: to trade some pretty good prospects to get some of 674 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: these high impact gass. 675 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 2: I'm in favor of holding on to Drake Baldwin. I 676 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: would there's other He's the only one I think I 677 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 2: would hold on to. I'm not looking to give away 678 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: every prospect in the system by any means, but catcher 679 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,719 Speaker 2: is such a valuable, hard to find position. And I mean, 680 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: the fact is, Brad, we don't know what Sean Murphy's 681 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: gonna do next year. If he has another down season, 682 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: then maybe it's time to have a different conversation or 683 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 2: if he gets hurt again. I mean, durability is a 684 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: big part of the game. He's been banged up in 685 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: his first two years with Atlanta. With Oakland, he was 686 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: never hurt, so you know, it's not as if he 687 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: has this decade long laundry list of injuries. But the 688 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: fact is it's an important year coming up from Murph. 689 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,239 Speaker 2: I love the idea of getting him out there for 690 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: eighty eighty five percent of the games. I don't think 691 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: after he missed those all that time with the oblique 692 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: the idea of him basically being a fifty to fifty player. Man. 693 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I never played professional baseball, but I can 694 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: only imagine how hard it must be to get caught 695 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: up to all of your peers who've been playing every 696 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: single day for three months. At that point, when you're 697 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: only getting three at bats every other day, I mean, anecdotally, 698 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: to me, that feels really hard to do. And hopefully 699 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: this time and the year we're talking about a big 700 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: bounce back for Murphy. We have seen him do it 701 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: in the past, and I mean clearly, when the guy 702 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: is right, he's a top five catcher in the game. 703 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: I think the Braves just kind of have to bank 704 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: on it, and hopefully him playing eighty eighty five percent 705 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 2: of the games will only help that. 706 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we in agreement there for sure. Look, that's kind 707 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: of the to do list. It's his day one of 708 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: the winter meetings, which is why we're kind of resetting it. 709 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: I think people tend to tap in a little bit 710 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: more this time of year. I think with solo signing, 711 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: people will be noticing that and say, hey, what's going 712 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: with the Braves, and then they not do anything and 713 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: by find the podcast. So we want to set the 714 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: table a little bit for the rest of the week. 715 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: We will have full coverage of anything actually happens or 716 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen. We will definitely have multiple shows this 717 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: week no matter what. If they make a move, we'll 718 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: break in and break it down as fast as we 719 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: possibly can between the four of us. But anything else 720 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: you want to add, Scott before we get out of here. 721 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: On a relatively relatively because you know, we're never that 722 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: short when it's being you, but a relatively brief episode 723 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 1: of the podcast. 724 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're time stamping this. It is a little bit 725 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 2: after eleven pm Eastern time Sunday night, probably be midnight 726 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 2: or so by the time Brad does his producer magic 727 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: and gets the show up. So whenever the Braves make 728 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 2: a move five minutes from you listening to this, we 729 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: can thank the podcast. And yeah, I'll get on the 730 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: phone with Alex and say, Alex, think of the podcast, 731 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: think of the listeners. 732 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: We got to get a move going. 733 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's what Alex is thinking about right now, 734 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: the podcast and good content for everyone to enjoy. 735 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we get something in the next few days. 736 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna be a big move, 737 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: but something is my guess. We'll see. 738 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 2: It might be next weekend too. Sometimes things develop and 739 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 2: generate during the meetings and then it takes three or 740 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: four days to get it all going. But yeah, something 741 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 2: like that. 742 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: We're holding out a hope. On the podcast, Folks should 743 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: be subscribing to this show. Anywhere you find your podcast, Scott, 744 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: where can they find on social media? While we're here. 745 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: At Scott Coleman fifty five and you are at BT Roland. 746 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: I think that is correct, and we're both a Blue Sky. 747 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: If you are using Blue Guy, We're on there. I 748 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: know Scott's on there. I'm on there. I don't check 749 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: it as much as Twitter, but it's there. I post 750 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,479 Speaker 1: them there sometimes and the show can be found most 751 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: places on social media Twitter, Facebook, Instagram at Hammer Territory. 752 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: Also follow Sean and Steven and again, all the shows 753 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: from last week are relevant still the Paper episode, nothing's 754 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: changed since then, the Coleman Extravaganza, It's all still up 755 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: to date, other than like one soon signing and William 756 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: Domas signing. Like everything else on the Brave side has 757 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 1: not changed, So if you've missed anything previously, great backlog 758 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: of episodes. We go deeper on some topics you and 759 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: I talked about lyin Urco last week for instan payroll, 760 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Very relevant, so listen away. That's 761 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: the one benefit of the Braves not making big moves 762 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: yet is that there's still time to listen to old 763 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: podcast and this still makes sense. So it's a small 764 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: way for us. 765 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: Scott, Yeah, helps us out, download the show, subscribe like 766 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: all that good stuff really does do us a great favor. 767 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 2: And Yeah, hopefully the podcast will work its magic and 768 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 2: we will have something transactional to talk about sooner rather 769 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: than later. 770 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: All right, OX Monday morning, we'll see you then anyway, 771 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: subscribing to Fuckings, everybody's stay tuned for Scott. This is Brad. 772 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: We'll sign off right now. We'll see you all later 773 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: this week with more coverage of the Braves. Appreciate you listening. 774 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: We'll see you all next time.