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Speaker 1: notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled by Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring it on.

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Speaker 1: Slam the ground by Fota Baker Like a torpedo. He

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Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. I scared and nobody here's

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Speaker 1: Paul calvic Well, there's always comfort in numbers them and

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Speaker 1: even when you're used to being out there all by

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Speaker 1: yourself on that limb, yours truly, most especially here in

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Speaker 1: pro partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Kyle de Gardinos I

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Speaker 1: think of which I speak a little bit being the

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Speaker 1: math guy. Darren urban having to shut down those in

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Speaker 1: the mail bag, which is where I go with this

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Speaker 1: because a little bit later, yes, indeed, as long as

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Speaker 1: Larry does not make a decision, I will indeed have

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Speaker 1: yet another theory or two. But Darren, I was topped.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, I had to work hard this

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Speaker 1: week to top your lead entry in the mail bag,

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Speaker 1: which I believe was a fine fan of the Red

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Speaker 1: Sea rise up. And they wondered if Larry could indeed

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Speaker 1: twenty one, And I said, you know what, dang it,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think of that one. Well, maybe it's good

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Speaker 1: that you didn't think of that one, Paul, because I

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Speaker 1: believe by rule it is not legal. There's actually I

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Speaker 1: believe last year when the Broncos were going through their

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Speaker 1: that's what the circumstance was. They actually talked about having

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Speaker 1: yearly that doesn't work. There's salary cap implications. It just

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Speaker 1: can't happen. So unfortunately no. In fact, we went through

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Speaker 1: it ourselves. Guys. When Larry Foote was trying to decide

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Speaker 1: out to be his first year coaching, he was on

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Speaker 1: that is a good point. That's right. The Broncos, right,

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Speaker 1: they had zero QB's in their QB room, and even

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers towards the very end, didn't Drew Stanton get

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Speaker 1: zoom broadcast with former Cardinal, former NFL player Drew Stanton.

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Speaker 1: I think it was November, just this past November, and

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Speaker 1: come from? Kyle? That's the way to do it. You

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Speaker 1: And the legend he can tell in you know, forty

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Speaker 1: the way, you guys do realize that Larry Fitzgerald did

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Speaker 1: was a great story being there and battling cancer for

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00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: I think a couple of years and getting past that

430
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: and being an NFL player. So it's it's a very

431
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 1: cool backstory with him. And now he's talking about you know,

432
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: this next chapter and what he's gonna do, and I

433
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 1: think he's invigorated by it, like we've heard from AJ

434
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: Green and JJ Watt, And to me, it's such a

435
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: big question, like you have veterans that have performed a

436
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: lot in the NFL, and if if a lot of

437
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: these guys click this season, it's really going to raise

438
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: the ceiling for this team. And there's downside. There's injuries,

439
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: there's age. I mean, there's some question marks about these

440
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: guys too. So that's one of the big things that

441
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm watching as well, like how do all these guys

442
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: come in and how do they look and because if

443
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: you if you hit on a lot of them, you're

444
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape for next season. It's funny because

445
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: you're mentioning all these guys and how what are our

446
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: conversations all through the weeks have been about the age

447
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: of all these guys they've added, and then it's like,

448
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: then you get James Connor, who doesn't even turn twenty

449
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: six for another couple of weeks, three weeks or something

450
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: like that, and it's like, but you see, you think

451
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: of him as this aged veteran because we've heard about

452
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: him for a long time and he's a running back,

453
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: and you know, again, obviously those guys are in different positions.

454
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think I've heard more quite frankly,

455
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 1: from fans when his name first came up about his

456
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: injury situation than I have of JJ Watts or A. J. Greens,

457
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: quite frankly, and then they're both in the same boat,

458
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: and it's just kind of funny to hear it. And

459
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: I just from all I've from all I've been able

460
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: to tell, and Zach, who we work with, worked in

461
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and loves the guy and thinks he's going to

462
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: be great for this locker room, for this roster. You know,

463
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: he's I feel like he's the kind of guy who's

464
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: you're going to And when you listen to him talk

465
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: about teaming with Chase Edmonds and working together, I just

466
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: that's something that you know a lot of players say,

467
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: but sometimes when they say it, you don't know if

468
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: they totally mean it, and I felt like he meant

469
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: it when he said it. I do feel like he's

470
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: going to be a team first guy, and I think

471
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: that is part of the reason they sign him, not

472
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: just because he's two hundred and thirty pounds. YEA. Four

473
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: years with the Steelers, and really it feels like eight

474
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: because those four years he had a pit They share

475
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: the same facility. To hear Larry tell it, it's you know,

476
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: this this hybrid thing between pit football and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

477
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: And just because he's been in the spotlight obviously because

478
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: of what happened to him with Hodgkins lymphoma and battling that. Yeah,

479
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: it feels like we've known him forever. It feels like

480
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: he spent a decade in Pittsburgh, just like AJ Green

481
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: did a decade and since he and JJ Watt a

482
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: decade in Houston. And you know, you go through some

483
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: of his background. I don't know if you guys have

484
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: done it yet, but just a quick thumbnail. In high school,

485
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: he was not only a star a running back, but

486
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: a star defensive lineman. That's a solid combo right there.

487
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: You don't you know, you're running back, and you had

488
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: like thirty touchdowns his senior year and then you flip

489
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 1: over to the other side of the ball and be

490
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: a three technique. So only in high school. That's that's outstanding.

491
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: I love like the different paths to the NFL of

492
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: some of these guys, Like you're right, some of them

493
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: are just complete physical freaks at the age of fifteen.

494
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: The Darnell Dockett YouTube always comes to mind, and some

495
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: of these guys are just absolutely wrecking house from age fifteen,

496
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: and they're already defensive lineman size or NFL running back size.

497
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: He's maybe two hundred and fifteen pounds, which is a

498
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: good sized d lineman in high school. And then there's

499
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: guys like Smokey Brown who barely made his high school

500
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: team and didn't make the traveling team at Duco and

501
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: still becomes an NFL starting caliber receiver. So it's fun

502
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: to see the different paths or whether it's the elite

503
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: five star recruits or the guys who had to scratch

504
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: and claw to make it and they all eventually made it,

505
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: but it just goes to show how different everybody's path

506
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: can be. The only time Darnell doc had ever called

507
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: my name out in the locker room, and I wasn't

508
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: followed by a menacing stare where he wanted to rip

509
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: my head off. Was he was actually smiling because I

510
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: had recently retweeted his high school video and he had

511
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: forgotten about it. He thought it was hilarious. If you

512
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: want a good watch on YouTube, google that up. I mean,

513
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: it's absolutely If I was the parent of the offensive

514
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: lignment he was abusing that game, I would have come

515
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: down and just pulled my kids straight out of the game.

516
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I would have pulled the ripcord on

517
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: that one. You realize when James Connor went to Pitt,

518
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: he was a true freshman and he broke Tony Dorset's

519
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: record for rushing yards in a bowl game. Let that

520
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: hang in the air for a minute, right, two hundred

521
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: twenty nine yards rushing in a bowl game. As a sophomore,

522
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: he was the ACC Player of the Year, had nearly

523
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred yards rushing, twenty six rushing touchdowns. And then

524
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,719
Speaker 1: his junior year, the opener he tore his ACL and

525
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: it was during rehab where he already getting fatigued, and

526
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: then they ran Tess and they found the presence of

527
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: a mass in his chest, not unlike Eric Barry of

528
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs, who actually became his mentor, and

529
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: the two of them met on the Ellen DeGeneres Show

530
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: looking at the background for the first time. They had

531
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: texted for a good year, and James Connor at the

532
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: time declared he was gonna beat it. He was going

533
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: to return to football. He did, obviously, but didn't have

534
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: a great senior season, and then his Pro day he

535
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: ran a four, six, five forty. Most of the projections

536
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: where he's going to fall to the fifth or sixth round, Steelers,

537
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: knowing what they knew about the kid, drafted him in

538
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: round three. And it says here in some of the

539
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: anecdotal information that in his rookie year, before he ever

540
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: even played an exhibition game, he had the top selling

541
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: NFL jersey throughout the month of July, Beyond Marshawn Lynch

542
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: or Tom Brady or Dak Prescott, anyone, he had the

543
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: top selling jersey because what he meant his story to

544
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: so many people, and that just, you know, it's intriguing stuff.

545
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: And then I guess, apparently I read on a little

546
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: bit more. During the twenty eighteen season, his Pro Bowl season,

547
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: he began growing a mullet, and so that endeared him

548
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: to all the Steelers fans because I guess it says

549
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: here that's part of the Yinzer culture in Pittsburgh, embracing

550
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: the Yinzer culture. I have no idea where what that means.

551
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: Where is Craig Wolfley when I need him, I need

552
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: some Pittsburgh perspective. Here's somebody called Doug Tamaron. I think ultimately,

553
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: while I can't necessarily put it into words, and I've

554
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: never necessarily lived in Pittsburgh, I do have a kind

555
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: of a vague feel of what Yinzer culture would be,

556
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: so I can I can see it. I mean, it's funny.

557
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you're saying the mullet in the zubos. Is

558
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: that what you're saying? I think absolutely. I mean I

559
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: think I think Ron Wolfley nineteen eighty five, So I mean,

560
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: I think this is a guy who understood what it

561
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: was like to be in Pittsburgh. I mean, he grew

562
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: up in Pennsylvania, you know, and you said, spent all

563
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: those years in pitt whether it was college or the pros.

564
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: It is kind of interesting to have him kind of

565
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: like come cross country for this, this kind of mid

566
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: career change and see what it might mean. But you know,

567
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: again we want to talk about, oh were you planning on?

568
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: Did you want to get away from Pittsburgh? Was a

569
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: time for a change? Let's face it, he was a

570
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: free agent and this is the team that wanted him,

571
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: and that's why he came to Arizona. And he would

572
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: have stayed in Pittsburgh if they had needed and wanted him,

573
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: or he would have gone to Green Bay or Tampa

574
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: Bay or who wherever, Jacksonville if he needed to. So,

575
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, I saw another it was more of a

576
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: mainstream weent site, Kyle and obvious saw some of these analytics.

577
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: But because the Steelers, despite the great start, their offense

578
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: kind of lost its identity and what they had traditionally done.

579
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: There were three games last year where, because of health

580
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: or otherwise game planning, James Connor got twenty plus touches

581
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: an average better than five yards of carry. It was

582
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: the games in which he actually got into a rhythm

583
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: and they actually fed him the ball where he was

584
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: at his best. There were three games that stood out,

585
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: and those were the only three games where he really

586
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: got a bit of a workload, yeah, And I mean

587
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be rare to see that type

588
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: of workload with the Cardinals. I don't think you signed

589
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: him to be a twenty touch or a twenty carry guy.

590
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: And he does kind of kind of an interesting career

591
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: arc because he was playing with some great Steelers offenses

592
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: in the beginning there, with maybe the best offensive line

593
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: in football when he started, And you're right, last year

594
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: the Steelers had a great record, but the offense was

595
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: not that good because Ben Roethlisberger is not the quarterback

596
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: he used to be and he wasn't the same downfield threat,

597
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: so it probably was harder for James Connor to run

598
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: in those scenarios. And coming into the Cardinals, I feel

599
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: like it's a pretty good set up for any running back.

600
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: Like we talked about earlier, I think having Kyler Murray

601
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: with such fleet footed ability is going to be huge

602
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: for the running backs. And I mean, well, yeah, I

603
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: mean I get what you're saying where he's a bigger

604
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: back and those type of guys can maybe improve when

605
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: the game is late, when the defense is tired, especially

606
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: when they're physical and can wear people down. But I

607
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: don't put too much stock into something like that. I

608
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: think that was more just random variance than anything. But

609
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: I think if you have him in the fourth quarter,

610
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked a lot about Kenyan Drake last

611
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: season where he was able to do that late and

612
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: get some big runs late, and I think that could

613
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: be a part of it, especially if the Cardinals play

614
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: fast and their offense is good and they're moving. If

615
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: that defense is tired, having a big back can help

616
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: in the third and fourth quarters. And you know, Darren,

617
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 1: to your point earlier, if he was a thirty year

618
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: old running back, I wouldn't even bring up twenty eighteen,

619
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: but the fact he's about to turn twenty six and

620
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago he had a Pro

621
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: Bowl campaign with nearly fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage and

622
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: thirteen touchdowns. Vividly remember when that whole laby On Bell

623
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: holdout was going on, and there are a lot of

624
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: snarky mouthe no, it alls in my fantasy football draft

625
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: and there was James Connor. They think laby On Bell's

626
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna sign and I'm like no, And I plucked James

627
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: Connor out of the third round in that draft, and boom,

628
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: the Pauli Pigskins. We wrote James Connor to glory, so

629
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm only hoping that the Cardinals can see that sort

630
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: of ability. And once again, that was what James saxon

631
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: as his position coach. So it's intriguing on a low cost,

632
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: one year, proved deal a guy who's turning twenty six.

633
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Why not? And I like your point earlier. If Nagie

634
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Harris falls to you in the second round and James

635
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: Connor doesn't even make the team, you know what, Okay,

636
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: no harm, no foul. Ultimately, I think because of the

637
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: age and because of the circumstances. I mean, I do

638
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways, there are ways where

639
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: running backs can end up having these one off seasons.

640
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: Separate from me, like he could have a big year

641
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen and then come back and have a

642
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: because so much of what a running back is doing

643
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: a lot of times as circumstance as well. I mean,

644
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: if this offense starts playing the way we're talking about

645
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: it trying to play like and it becomes that efficient

646
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: running game, then all of a sudden, he's in a

647
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: really good position. And I do think he's going to

648
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: be in a better position quite frankly here than he

649
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: was last season with the Steelers, because I think Kyler

650
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: Murray is in a much better place in his career

651
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: than Ben Roethlisberger is with his So I think that

652
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: alone could help if he stays healthy and he's got

653
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: the chance to stay healthy. Because they won't necessarily say

654
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: go into every game saying, if possible, we need you

655
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: to have twenty to twenty five carries. I don't think

656
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: that's how it's going to play out. And like you said,

657
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: he is younger and he has that ability to come back,

658
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: and you're not. I mean, people are gonna say James

659
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: Connor because just like we said at the outset, it

660
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: seems like he's been around forever and everybody knows his name,

661
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: and he's been to a Pro Bowl. So there's all

662
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: these whatever expectations. But I mean, if they had signed

663
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: in mid April Joe Schmother running back to a relatively

664
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: cheap one year deal, nobody would about it. Okay, he's

665
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: just here to fill out the room. I don't just

666
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: for the same reason I'm not. I'm not saying you

667
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: should necessarily see this guy come in and blow up

668
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: the statistics. I'm also saying just because his name James Connor,

669
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you should be sitting there and automatically assuming

670
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get twelve hundred yards it's not a

671
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: good signing or he can't help this team. Well, and

672
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: I love your point about the difference in quarterback. I

673
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: go back to Kyler Murray's first training camp and what

674
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds said in August that Kyler Murray in the

675
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: four to three is like an extra blocker because the

676
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: defense has to respect the running ability of the quarterback. Well,

677
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: that wasn't a factor for James Connor in Pittsburgh obviously.

678
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean all eleven guys, none of whom had to

679
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: worry about Big Ben scrambling for anything. So right there,

680
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: that's got to be a benefit if you're running back

681
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: going from the Steelers to the Cardinals, just based on

682
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback position alone. Yeah, And that was to me

683
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: the concerning thing down the stretch is you should have

684
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: had that numbers advantage when you handed the ball off

685
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: running the zone read. And the Cardinals still were very

686
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: inconsistent down the stretch and didn't have that type of

687
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: efficiency that they did earlier because as you remember, they

688
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: set a franchise record in yards per carry in twenty nineteen,

689
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: and early in twenty twenty they were even above that.

690
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: They were averaging a healthy five point two yards per carry,

691
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: which is awesome as a team. So it was going

692
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: great and then it fell apart a little bit. So

693
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: you can see the potential of the running game and

694
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: James Connor if that's working out, then yeah, it's gonna

695
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: be a great place for him. But like we mentioned earlier,

696
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: they got to figure out the way the defense are

697
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: playing it and obviously running more of that five defensive

698
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: line front where they're trying to close those outside gaps

699
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: and trying to figure that out. So and they probably

700
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: looked at tape and maybe they liked James Connor's running

701
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: style in this offense. I don't understand offense is well

702
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: enough to know how he fits in, but obviously they

703
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: signed him for a particular reason. So I agree with

704
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: you guys. I think there's this is a nice value

705
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: play where he's going to be cheap and at the

706
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: very least can be a short yardage between the tackles

707
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: guy and if he shows some of that explosion that

708
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: he did younger in his career, then you have somebody

709
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 1: that can really be this tandem piece with Chase Edmonds

710
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: Darren in the mailbag. Have you got any of the

711
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: ASU fans what does this mean for Eno Benjamin yet?

712
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: If you got any of that not yet, I'm guessing

713
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: that will be next week and it is going to

714
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: be interesting to see what it means for Eno Benjamin.

715
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we saw last year that he

716
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: had a lot of work to do to make up

717
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: some ground to get on the field in the first place,

718
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: and this just kind of underscores it. You needed players anyways,

719
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you needed guys in the running back room,

720
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: and they needed to make this move, in my opinion,

721
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Speaker 1: before the draft, because you don't want to go in

722
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: the draft saying Okay, like we said earlier, it'd be

723
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: great if that guy's there, but if he's not, you

724
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it. And I think if

725
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: they have to go into camp without any more running backs,

726
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing they would probably sign an undrafted rookie

727
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: at some point too, then I think they're okay with

728
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: at that position, and they'd be okay with doing those things.

729
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: And so can Eno Benjamin make some headway and push

730
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: somebody can Jonathan Ward, who actually got past Eno Benjamin

731
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: on that chart last year, can he do something? You know,

732
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: those are the questions that we're not going to know

733
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 1: until they're on the field. It'll be interesting to see

734
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: if guys get on the field with everything going on

735
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: in the NFL, because I think that would really really

736
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: help somebody like Eno Benjamin. But I know there's a

737
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: lot of fans out there who are curious about Eno

738
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying the circumstances right now is he's

739
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: got a steep hill to climb right now to get

740
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: into the mix, I think. But Papaul, they also don't

741
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: have the Kenyan dre or the David Johnson that's making

742
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: the eight to twelve million dollars, where you know this

743
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: guy is playing no matter if he's struggling. I mean,

744
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: David Johnson got didn't play at the very end of

745
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: his tenure with the Cardinals. But even at three point

746
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: seven yards per carry or whatever, you're rolling him out

747
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: there all the time. And I think Chase Edmonds has

748
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: earned that. He's not making the big salary, but he's

749
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: on the rookie deal, so he's proven that he deserves

750
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: to play. But if you know Benjamin out plays James

751
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: Connor and a Jonathan Ward in training camp, then there's

752
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: not gonna be any gripes about putting him in the

753
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: in the game. I mean, the salaries are all pretty even,

754
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: so I think it's definitely like, you know, if you

755
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: know shows up and how's a great camp and has

756
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: made this big leap from year one to year two,

757
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: I think playing time is there for the taking for

758
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: all three of those guys behind Chase Edmonds. I do

759
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: think special teams will play a role the whoever it is.

760
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: It might you might not say if Chase Edmonds is

761
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: your starter, you might say, Chase, we're going to back

762
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: off there. But every other running back's gonna have to

763
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: play some kind of role on special teams. That's been

764
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: part of the problem with you know, I don't know

765
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: how you get necessarily better at it other than when

766
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: you're actually at the facility with the team. I mean,

767
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: it's not like being able to run routes on air

768
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. But I do think that

769
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: will play a role too. So I'm curious to know

770
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: if Eno is able to make some strides in that regard,

771
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: because I know that's one of the reasons Jonathan Ward

772
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: ended up ahead of him and Sonny and James Connor

773
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: any better in running back reduces yet another tell for

774
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: other teams as to which direction the Cardinals might go

775
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: in the draft. Right, So you do that with Malcolm

776
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: Butler in the cornerback position, obviously an area of need,

777
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 1: but if you hadn't made a move there, it would

778
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: have been brutally obvious which position the Cardinals desperately needed.

779
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: So now you could play the game a little bit more.

780
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: You can truly take the best player available, although need

781
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: is always factored in everybody. Now and then you keep

782
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: teams who are also in need of that same position

783
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: from maybe jumping you in the packing order and being

784
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: as willing to make that commitment to separate from assets

785
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: and move up the draft board. So that's something else

786
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: it does for you. And again, as you guys said,

787
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee the running backs you like will be

788
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: there in the position you want to draft them. So

789
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: all that being the case, I guess the question becomes

790
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: now is, Yeah, you have this offseason work that's supposed

791
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: to start mid April, as in next week, the week

792
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: before the draft supposed to start. Where are we with

793
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: that at this point, Kyle seems like a lot is

794
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: still in flux with all that, and I think the

795
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: NFL and the Players Association still have to agree to

796
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: what's going on. And it's it's an interesting time because

797
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: last year, who was pretty clear that COVID nineteen was

798
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: raging and there was no chance of doing any on

799
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: field in person work. And now the numbers are getting better,

800
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: the vaccinations are getting more plentiful, so we're obviously on

801
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: the right track. But from a player perspective, they feel

802
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: like we're not there yet, We're not out of this

803
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: this worry zone, so they don't want to rush back

804
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: and do the in person stuff. And obviously the coaches

805
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: would prefer the players are there to teach them and

806
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: to have them lift together and to get on the

807
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: field eventually and run some of their installs. So it's

808
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: gonna be an interesting you know, probably a few weeks

809
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: month or so and Seahawks and the Broncos, I believe

810
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: it was, just came out and said that they don't

811
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: have any plans to go to the voluntary portion of OTAs,

812
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: which is easy for them because it is voluntary and

813
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: there's no contractual obligations unless you have a workout bonus.

814
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: So if they all stick together like that, it's gonna

815
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: be hard to crack that, I think. And we'll see

816
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: what other teams do in the ensuing days. But it's

817
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: definitely coming to a flashpoint where everybody's gonna need some

818
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: answers very quickly and we'll find out. But it seems

819
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: like the players are are pretty adamant about not wanting

820
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: to show up until they're good and ready. You know

821
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: that actually sparks a light bulb over here with Paul

822
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: pencil next. Since I tore my shoulder, I've been rehabbing

823
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: my shoulder. I gotta ask our boss, Tim Delaney, VP

824
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: of Broadcasts. You know, am I in line for a

825
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: workout bonus this offseason? I mean, I've actually been working

826
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 1: out for the first time in recent memory. Maybe there's

827
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: a bonus somewhere in my contract I'm not aware of.

828
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: Maybe my agent had the foresight of factory in a

829
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: workout bonus in the offseason. I gotta check on that.

830
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for mentioning that, Kyle, I appreciate that. I'm hoping

831
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: you're not holding your breath on that one. Paw. I

832
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: haven't spent the money yet. Put it that way, So

833
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: if some of the if some of that money trickles

834
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: down to me for mentioning it, just go ahead and

835
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: send me a check. It's good, well done, well done.

836
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: Like any agent, you're gonna get your cut. That's right, percentage,

837
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: that's right. You're you're handling fee there, Kyle, that's well

838
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: done by you. Wet your beak a little bit on

839
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: that one. That's good. So all right, that's what's going

840
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: on there now. Honestly, before I get into the whole

841
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: everything you heard anything? Is it? You know, speaking of

842
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: off season, Larry, he's not on the roster, right, we

843
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: already determined that. Or what was the final clarification on that, Darren?

844
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: Was that just sort of a sort of an accounting move,

845
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: if you will, on the roster on the depth chart?

846
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: How did that work on dot com? It was a

847
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: clerical error, that's what we're going with. What do you

848
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: mean if we heard of them? You just got through

849
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: at the outside of this podcast you just said you

850
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: are listening to for an hour. Yeah, well, I just

851
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: want to make sure there's this vacuum of information out

852
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: there before I try and fill that. Boy, I'm ready.

853
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm ready for you to parse these eleven seconds of

854
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: football comments for the next eleven minutes. That's right, that's right. Well, look,

855
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean it was all golf. It was this subpar

856
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: golf podcast. Give them props on that one. It's not

857
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: a Whisper Rock. Um, none of us will get within

858
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: a mile of Whisper Rock. Let's just put it that way. Okay,

859
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: there's just they don't They wouldn't have guys like us

860
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: up there. Actually our game. You literally have to have

861
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: a certain handicap. Even Larry couldn't get in initially, didn't

862
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: matter what kind of check he was writing. He couldn't

863
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: get in, he told the story, until he shot under

864
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: ninety to get into Whisper Rock. Is the handicap is

865
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: a legal handicap that I can't play golf that I'm

866
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: pretty handicapped by that. Yes, yes, yeah, you're precluded. Don't don't.

867
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: Don't even bother with the application process. Darren, Okay, forget it.

868
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: He said. His best round as a seventy shot a

869
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: seventy three times. He's never gone below seventy, he told

870
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: the story. By the way, where's my bobblehead? Here we

871
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: go he told the story again into the Bobblehead where

872
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: he had committed a Bobblehead Knight for the Coyotes and

873
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: dropping the puck. Yet he was also playing in the

874
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach pro Am, so he left an Hole thirteen

875
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: in a private jet, flew showed up, pregame for the Coyotes,

876
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: dropped the puck, Bobblehead Knight, shook a few hands, waved

877
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: the fans, and then flew immediately back to Pebble Beach

878
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: and closed out the weekend. And and one he's a

879
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: two time champion of Pebble Beach pro Am by the way,

880
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 1: So he told that story that was pretty solid over there.

881
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: But when he got around and then he talked about

882
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: as a Minneapolis native, the two people he met that

883
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: had him a little bit nervous, and it was Prince

884
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: and he said he met Michael Jackson, and he told

885
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: a story of meeting Prince at Paisley Park, the complex

886
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: you know in the Twin Cities, And that's a real,

887
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, threshold moment for any Twin Cities native. And

888
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: Larry was there along with some other dignitaries and VIPs

889
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: and their backstage and I guess someone came through and

890
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: instructed them how you're going to greet Prince when he

891
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: comes by the dudes and the don'ts, And Larry thought

892
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: he was in Minneapolis, legend, a couple of Pro Bowls

893
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: under his belt, he had played in like Prince's rec

894
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: league for kids that Prince had supported. And so he

895
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: shook his hand and he gave him the anecdote, and

896
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: he feared, and Prince kind of, that's great, I'll see it,

897
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: and he moved on, and Prince just pretty much shine

898
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: Larry and kept moving on. And then he told a

899
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: story meeting Michael Jackson, and I'll just leave that for

900
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: the podcast, but let's just say Michael Jackson was he

901
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: was Michael Jackson very peculiar in that encounter, and it

902
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: was it was a Michael Jackson moment in that one.

903
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: So Larry called it an't quote bizarre in that one.

904
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: But as for football, they asked him about his longevity

905
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: and the fact that once again, knock on wood, he's

906
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: what missed six games in his career? Is that the

907
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: total six? That sounds well? Was it six going into

908
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: last year? I can't remember if you remember for counting

909
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: that last game of the year, and he said, quote, fortunately,

910
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: I've been able to stay injury free. For some reason,

911
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: I've been able to do it. Thus far. Can I

912
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: grab those two words thus far and act upon that.

913
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: If he is retired and are going to retire or

914
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: semi retired, it would be past tense. The fact he's

915
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: speaking in the present tense and he said thus far,

916
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: I'm taking that as a sign and I'm building off

917
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: what I said last week gentlemen that deep down inside,

918
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: I think that Larry thinks he has something left and

919
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: as long as he can still play, he will play.

920
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: Hence thus far, to me is an indication that I

921
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: think there is still more to come from Larry. For

922
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: Sherldon an NFL uniform. What if he said thus far

923
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: in the context of I know that if I keep

924
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: trying to play, it's my body's not going to hold up,

925
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: And so that's what thus far meant was like he

926
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: can see that his body can't do it anymore. I mean,

927
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: let's we know he missed that last game. I think

928
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: because he had a I think it was a groin

929
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: injury that was probably way worse than anybody let on

930
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: because nobody wanted up make it sound like he might

931
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: not play the game, But that was the impression I

932
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: was given, was that that injury was not a good one,

933
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: and it takes a lot for Larry to miss a game.

934
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'll props to you, Paul. I mean,

935
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: I I find it impressive that you can lie in

936
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: your bed at night and come up with these week

937
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: after week. I mean, we're trying to have this bit

938
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: at the end of every podcast, and you you have

939
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: nailed it every time. Well, it's not like I'm creating

940
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: this stuff. This isn't like off the onion or something.

941
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this really happened. This is a real podcast.

942
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: This is a real quote from Larycently. In addition to that,

943
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: hang on now, Kyle, did you see you over the weekend?

944
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: Bruce arians Foundation his charity foundation, I think it's at

945
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: arians f or Foundation, and they tweeted out a promo

946
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: about their upcome I mean charity golf tournament. There was

947
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: one golfer picture and it's not a current buccaneer. It's

948
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald as the picture golfer in the Bruce Arians

949
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: Foundation tweet. Now, come on now, of all the players

950
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: and pictures they could pick as the current super Bowl champion,

951
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: and he took former well you know, his former player,

952
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald. I mean, do you not look at that

953
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: and wonder, Okay, what exactly does that mean? So are

954
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: you trying to tell me you're gonna be doing a

955
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: zoom with a retired Larry Fitzgerald in November and then

956
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's gonna pop up on the

957
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay practice squad and win a Super Bowl ring

958
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: next season. We're gonna get some deja vu? Allow, Drew Stanton,

959
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Yeah, No, I think Larry's

960
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: I think Larry at this point is going to play.

961
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: But I do wonder if it was for the Cardinals,

962
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: why is that not already a done deal? So what

963
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: does that mean? But see what if he if he's

964
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: gonna play, why would why wouldn't it be a done

965
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: deal with anybody, whether it was here or not, Like,

966
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: why why would he Why would he be waiting for

967
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers or the Vikings or whatever, which I've already

968
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: said million times it's not gonna happen. But if he

969
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: was waiting for a team, why would it be less

970
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: likely that he would be waiting on the Cardinals than

971
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: anybody else. I mean, I don't know, it's a valid point.

972
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: I wish I feel like record scratch other than other

973
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: than there's some element of timing here that we don't understand.

974
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: That's all I got. That's all I got. A down

975
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: with it. There's something about the timing and the announcement

976
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: of which maybe it's predicated on a contract situation in

977
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: the salary cap of another team and then perhaps needing

978
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: to make room, and that's predicated on a move they're

979
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: gonna make in the draft. Yeah, that's the ticket. It's

980
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: interesting because it just feels also unprecedented, like they're been

981
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: guys that you knew were gonna wait because they didn't

982
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: want to do OTAs and they were just gonna sign

983
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: with a contender before training camp and like a John

984
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: Abraham like doing that sort of stuff. And there are

985
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: certain guys that you just kind of knew that was

986
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: their plan. Dwight Freeney did that a couple of years,

987
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: but Larry Fitzgerald likes it's very rare to have somebody

988
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: in mid April not make any decision and not kind

989
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: of say what's going on. I always thought he would

990
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: be like Drew Brees where Okay, maybe we take a while,

991
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: but before free agency starts, I'm gonna have a concrete

992
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: decision and people are gonna know it, and I'm gonna

993
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: announce it to the world. And the fact that we

994
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: don't obviously is given Paul a lot of time to

995
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: cook up some theories. But I really have no clue

996
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: the motivation behind it and why it's taken months. I mean,

997
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: we were thinking maybe late January or early February would

998
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: be the announcement, and it just ticks on. So I'm

999
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: not gonna hazard any guesses. I still think the odds

1000
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: decreased city plays as the days go by, but I

1001
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: have no clue what's going to happen. You know what, Paul,

1002
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: you next week you need you need to research up

1003
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: and find out what the latest date of a guy

1004
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: retiring before a season has ever been. Like. There's been

1005
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: plenty of players that like want to play and no

1006
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: team wants them, and then they go into the season.

1007
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: Antoine Beaffet is a great example. Antoin Beathet didn't play

1008
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: last year. He just announced his retirement a couple of

1009
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: months ago, but that's because he wanted to play and

1010
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: no team wanted him. I'm wondering if there's a guy

1011
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: that's retired, but he waited. He waited all off season

1012
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: because it's not with fit. That's a thing with fits.

1013
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: He's got someplace to play if he really wants to play.

1014
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: It's just a question of whether he's going to or not.

1015
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: It's not like he's unwanted. I immediately think of Brett Farve.

1016
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: How many years in rounded Brett Farve retire and they

1017
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: not retire and then the NFL network helicopters are over

1018
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: his house in Mississippi on August first, his training camp opens,

1019
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: and is he going to report? What's the deal? Is

1020
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: he retired or not? So we went through that how

1021
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: many different years with Brett Farr. But I think Kyle

1022
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: might be onto something. If you listen to this podcast,

1023
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: do you realize what a golf fanatic Larry Fitzgerald is.

1024
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean, the dude is like pathological about golf, and

1025
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't want his offseason marred by the nuisance

1026
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: of going through the OTAs and whatever their virtual zoom sessions.

1027
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 1: Especially he stays with the Cardinals. He knows the offense.

1028
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not spending my time doing that I'll

1029
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: be there in training camp, and I'll be sure to

1030
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: keep myself in shape. But I'm not having anything at

1031
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: age thirty seven thirty eight a fringe upon my golf

1032
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: because honestly, that's about as important as anything to me.

1033
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: Right now, after you listen to this podcast, believe me,

1034
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: you realize how into it he is. And so maybe

1035
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: you're onto something there, Kyle. He's not gonna pull necessarily

1036
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 1: John Amraham and wait till August twenty seventh and show up, okay,

1037
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: or a Dwight Freeney and show up on September eighteenth,

1038
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: But maybe he's going to give himself the entirety of

1039
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: the off season. And I think if that scenario happens,

1040
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: there's clearly going to be an understanding between Larry Fitzgerald

1041
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals what's going on, because they wouldn't want

1042
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: radio silence thinking he's gone implement Christian Kirk full time

1043
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: in the slot and aj Green outside and doing all

1044
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: this stuff and then think, Okay, we've got to do

1045
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: some wholesale changes when camp gets here. So it's interesting

1046
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: to think about what behind the scenes discussions there have been,

1047
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: how many there have been, what the Cardinals brass knows

1048
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: and what they don't. I mean, Larry Fitzgerald is not

1049
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: under contract, and he's free to say and say as

1050
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: much or as little as he wants. I mean, he

1051
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 1: can do whatever he wants. And he's such an icon

1052
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: that he can kind of play by his own rules,

1053
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: because in other situations, a team might say, you're taking

1054
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: too long, we're moving on, we're doing other stuff, and

1055
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: we're going with other players. But Larry being Larry, you

1056
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: don't do that to him. So once this is resolved,

1057
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: maybe we get like a behind the scenes look at

1058
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: it in a few years and see exactly what his

1059
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: mindset was. But I don't think we can count on that.

1060
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: It's funny, it's somewhat ironical, if you will, as I

1061
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: make up a word, because he was asked her in

1062
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: the course of the podcast about his longevity and the

1063
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: ability to stay on top for most of his career,

1064
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: as you know, a top three receiver in the NFL,

1065
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 1: and he said that he's told plenty of young guys

1066
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: that when you do make it to a Pro Bowl

1067
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: and you get to the top of your profession, that

1068
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: too many young guys start doing other things and just

1069
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: except that they've arrived and not realized. No, no, you

1070
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: have to work harder because now everyone is gunning for

1071
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: you and your spot a top that NFL powerpole of

1072
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: receivers or whatever position you play. So he cited, you know,

1073
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: when he's thirty four thirty five and had the one

1074
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: hundred nine catch season and set the franchise record, you

1075
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: know you still have to have that mindset that look

1076
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: football and his words is what butters the toast. And

1077
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: so that you got to and he said he seemed

1078
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: way too many guys get to that level then all

1079
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden their interests become more varied and multiple,

1080
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: and its attracts from their playing career. And they also

1081
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: admit an in the podcast that the one guy he's

1082
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: glad is no longer around and in the game, although

1083
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: he hates the way it happened is Cam Chancellor. Is

1084
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: that he doesn't miss camp Chancellor one bit, and that

1085
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor, all six foot three, two d and twenty

1086
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: eight pounds of them, whatever it was, was made a granted.

1087
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: And when that guy decided he wasn't playing anymore, Larry

1088
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: said he didn't mind not meeting up against him twice

1089
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 1: this season. So that was entertaining. There's a reason why

1090
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald is who he is and has had the

1091
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: career that he's had, and it's because of that mindset.

1092
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: And that's ultimately what makes the greatest the greatest, is

1093
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: that they understand that it's about the work going forward

1094
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: always and even if you're playing really well. And I

1095
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: can only imagine some of the people that have come

1096
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: through here that he might be referring to that arrived

1097
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: and then didn't arrive and stopped, not stopped caring, but

1098
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: stopped trying to climb the mountain. Because the mountain you

1099
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: never reached the summit. You just think you do. I

1100
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 1: think he's a good example two of somebody who has

1101
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: these varied interests. And we've talked to ad nauseum about

1102
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: his traveling after the season and doing these other things.

1103
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: So he clearly takes a chunk of his time and

1104
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: focuses on off field type interests. But when he's back

1105
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: in and he gets back to his workout routine, he studies,

1106
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: he does all that stuff. So I think he's he

1107
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: really does a good job of having that balance when

1108
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't slack off. When he knows it's time to work,

1109
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: and then when he's off, he just goes and realizes

1110
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: he has free time. I think he's a good example

1111
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: for guys to follow, where you don't have to be

1112
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty five days a year, eat, breathe,

1113
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: sleep football. You can have other stuff, but when that

1114
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: time kicks in six weeks after the season or whenever

1115
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: they want to start gearing back up again, Larry Fitzgerald

1116
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: has always known that, Okay, this is working time, and

1117
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: it's time for me to get back at it. What

1118
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: if What if at the very end of the latest

1119
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: installment a Cardinals flight Plan, Larry walked in and declared

1120
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: he was back. What if at the very end of

1121
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: Cardinal's flight Plan we got the answer Tim Tim Delaney

1122
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: would be very very happy for that. I should have

1123
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: said that for next week. Dang now, now I'm out

1124
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: of theories. Now I was gonna say that would be

1125
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: that would be outstanding though, and based on the trailer

1126
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: that has dropped in Cardinal's Flight Plan, it should be

1127
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: some good stuff. What is It? Season four, Episode one

1128
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: soon April twenty second on YouTube. There we go, Darren,

1129
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: that's a two man game, right there. Darren knew I

1130
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: needed some of the info on that one. He helped

1131
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: me out so that I was outstanding here on Cardinals Underground.

1132
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: Brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. So all right,

1133
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: what else, anything else, Kyle, that we're you're expecting that's

1134
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: on the radar between now and the draft t minus

1135
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: two weeks or so away. I think the last thing

1136
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: would be possible another cornerback. But besides that, you know

1137
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: they got the running back now. Tight end I don't

1138
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: think as a huge priority. So we've and now we're

1139
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: down to, you know, two weeks or so until the draft,

1140
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 1: so you're kind of running at a time. That would

1141
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: be the one spot that I think is a possibility.

1142
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: But you know, you look at the roster now compared

1143
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: to what it was at the beginning of free agency.

1144
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: They've they filled most of the things they need. And

1145
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: I thought Darren made a good point last week. When

1146
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: you go into the draft, and obviously you don't want

1147
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: to telegraph what you're doing, but even if you don't

1148
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: take a corner at sixteen, and you don't take a

1149
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: corner in the second round, there is some supply out there,

1150
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: and you can add a veteran after the draft for

1151
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: a good price the Antonio Cromarty type setup. So Cardinals

1152
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: I think have options at cornerback. But going back to

1153
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, Paul, where you don't want teams

1154
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: to jump you and grab somebody because they think you

1155
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: want a cornerback. That would be a scenario where maybe

1156
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: they do sign a guy beforehand and say, okay, we're set.

1157
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: Then we can really not telegraph what we're doing, and

1158
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: maybe that plays into it. But I mean, I wouldn't

1159
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily say they're definitely going to take a

1160
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: cornerback in the first round. I think there's plenty of

1161
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: options at other positions, and when you're talking about number sixteen, overall,

1162
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: you really want the best player that's going to be

1163
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: really good for a long time. So I don't think

1164
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be as tuned into a specific need unless

1165
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, if they're close as far as talent level,

1166
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: you'll go with the bigger need. But I don't think

1167
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: it's a slam dunk ban any means. For example, Darren,

1168
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: if I told you the Cardinals at number sixteen took

1169
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: the fourth corner off the board, you think that's feasible, plausible, likely,

1170
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: at all, because that's the latest NFL network. I think

1171
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: it was Good Morning Football. They ran through a mock draft.

1172
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: It was just interesting that the Cardinals go corner at sixteen.

1173
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: But it was the fourth corner off the board. It

1174
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: was Patrick Certain, it was JC Horn, it was a

1175
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: Sante Samuel Jr. And then the Cardinals snag Caleb Farley.

1176
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: Despite the back surgery and projections you might fall to

1177
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round, Cardinals went with Farley

1178
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: out of Virginia tack. So my reaction to that is

1179
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: this one the fourth corner on whose board. We don't

1180
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: know how they're ranking these cornerbacks or how they might fit.

1181
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: So you know, for all we know the second or

1182
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: third best cornerback is the Newsome kid out of Northwestern

1183
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: or something, and they've got them ranked way higher. And

1184
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: that's you know, could they be wrong, Sure, but they

1185
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: might look at it totally different. I'd also say that

1186
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: if you're just talking in a vacuum and you're saying,

1187
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: do I think they take the fourth corner over the

1188
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: second best receiver or the second best offensive guard, I

1189
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's it's going to depend on

1190
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: how they see all these guys, if the fourth cornerback

1191
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: you still see as a borderline potential Pro Bowl learn

1192
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: his career, and you see the same thing out of

1193
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: the guard, even if he's the second ranked guard, why

1194
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't you take the cornerback. I mean, you basically have

1195
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: them as the same great And that's when they're going through.

1196
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: There's meetings, and they're in their meetings right now. They've

1197
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,959
Speaker 1: been in the middle of them, and I think they'll

1198
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: finish this week out with the regular parts of them,

1199
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: and then in the next week they'll start doing the

1200
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: mock draft stuff. That's what they're talking about. That's they

1201
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: start having these arguments. They've gotten through the part where

1202
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: they've already you know, said, Okay, blah blah plays for

1203
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: Penn State. Here's what we saw, blah blah. They've already

1204
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: done that part. Now they're getting to the part where

1205
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: they're going to start having the discussions. Okay, if we

1206
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: get up on the board and it's Caleb Farley and

1207
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: Davanta Smith or whatever, the wide receiver from Alabama, then

1208
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: they'll start having the arguments. Okay, if these are the

1209
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: two guys on the board at that point, who do

1210
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: we want more? Who makes more sense, and they start

1211
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: doing that top one twenty board and that's how they're

1212
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: going to figure this stuff out. So to talk in

1213
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: these random will they take the fourth corner off the board,

1214
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: It's hard for me because we just don't know all

1215
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: the little details that are going to go into it.

1216
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: And that's why you have some people raising eyebrows on

1217
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: draft day, whether it's the Cardinals or anybody else, because

1218
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna make a pick, especially when they're picking a

1219
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: sixteen somebody's didn't make a pick in those top fifteen

1220
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: picks where everybody's gonna go, whoa Nobody thought that guy

1221
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: was gonna be a top fifteen pick. No, that's a

1222
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: great point, Josh Jones. Last year went in round three.

1223
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: Didn't the Cardinals say they Adam in their top two

1224
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: dozen players? Yeah? Right, So you know, same thing with

1225
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy two years ago. Byron Murphy supposedly was their

1226
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: top corner, I believe in terms of their rankings in

1227
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: their top one twenty, and there he was the top

1228
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: the second round. So yeah, that's a great point, you're right.

1229
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: I just it was the only mock draft a scene

1230
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: where there have been three corners off the board before

1231
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,479
Speaker 1: the Cardinals and they still went corner. And I feel

1232
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: like this year more than maybe a lot in the past.

1233
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: If you look at Cardinals long term, they just have

1234
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: so few players under contract after next season that you

1235
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: really need good young players. And I think, yeah, like

1236
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: you'd love to have a cornerback. But in that scenario,

1237
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,439
Speaker 1: if it's the fourth best corner or the second best

1238
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: wide out, like yeah, in twenty twenty one, you could

1239
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: plug the corner in more easily as to what we're

1240
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: looking at on paper. But if you like the wide

1241
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: receiver a lot more and you think he's a better player,

1242
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be more apt to go for

1243
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: the better player because they have so few building blocks

1244
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: long term. I mean, you got Kyler Murray, you got

1245
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, you got DeAndre Hopkins, you got Isaiah Simmons.

1246
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: After that, you have a lot of guys that you're

1247
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: either gonna have to extend in the next couple of seasons,

1248
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: and you have a lot of veterans that aren't going

1249
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: to be on the team. So I think you have

1250
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: to look at helping the team this year but also

1251
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: replenishing for the future. And that's why I feel like

1252
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: best player available is going to be a big factor

1253
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: this season, maybe more so in the past. And honestly,

1254
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: if that's sort of the prism through which you're making

1255
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: the decision, corner and edge rusher, those are the two

1256
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: building blocks I think you need more than any other

1257
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: for this team. If you take a three year outlook

1258
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: on the depth chart of this team, just looking at

1259
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: the age of the edge rushers and the contract situations,

1260
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: and then obviously they need for corners. So there you go.

1261
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: What is a PTI with Corneiser and Woolbond at the

1262
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: very end they make their corrections, you know, And because

1263
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: I was just notified by the fourteen year old punk

1264
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: here at Costa cal DC that mullet is just so

1265
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: middle aged that mullet is not what the kids today

1266
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: they call it the flow. You know, you got the flow,

1267
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: and especially these punk baseball players who it really is

1268
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: a mullet. It's cut over the year and then, you know,

1269
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: but it's the flow. Some even call it the brow flow.

1270
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: Where it's flow, it's more hockey. I think it's more

1271
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: hockey here and it's flowing out the back. So wait,

1272
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: your son listens needed I stand corrected, your son listens

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Speaker 1: to the podcast live. I might be kind of a

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Speaker 1: loud mouth and it might be audible down the hallway.

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Speaker 1: So I'm impressed my own detriment on that. Well, you

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Speaker 1: know what, he's the one who's who needs a haircut

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Speaker 1: around here, you know. I love that the youthful generation

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Speaker 1: is claiming the mullet as their own, and now it's

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Speaker 1: cool again. It's just a matter of time, right, Just

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Speaker 1: don't call it a mullet. It's called the flow. Excuse me.

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Speaker 1: There you go. That'll do it for this Additional Cardinals

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