1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast, and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discuss the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: today's best minds and Trump's former chief of staff, John 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Kelly says Trump's quote unquote, scared shitless. We have a 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: fantastic show today, The Daily Beasts Can Fight. Our newsletter 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: author Lachlan Cartwright stops by to tell us about the 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: shakeups at CNN and the media's coverage of Trump. Then 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: we'll talk to The Washington Post Paul Kine about the 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: chaos inside the GOP's congressional class. But first we have 10 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: the one, the only, the author of Too Much and 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Never Enough, The Mary Trump Shows, Mary Trump, So welcome 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: back to Fast Politics. Mary Trump, Mary Trump. 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: Maulli jun Fast, Malli Junk Fast. 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: We're at this moment in the state of our nation 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: and the state of our lives with Donald Trump, where 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: I feel like it's so bad I have to laugh. 17 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, see I witness me laughing right now. What 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: else are you gonna do? 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: Right? 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 4: I mean, you have to laugh because otherwise you'll cry. 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very difficult to get a little bit of 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 5: space from things to the extent that that's possible. And 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 5: then to be dragged back in by this bizarre spectacle 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 5: and another stark reminder about how badly the mainstream media 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 5: fails us time after time, and also to be reminded 26 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 5: that people really don't get it. I mean, there are 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 5: people whose opinions I respect and whose views I value 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 5: going out there talking about how we have to bend 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 5: over backwards to treat Donald as innocent before proven guilty 30 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 5: and make sure that he is treated like any other 31 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 5: person in his position, as if there ever has been. 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 5: But I mean that suggests that he's not being treated fairly, 33 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 5: or rather that there is this double standard and he's 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 5: suffering at the hands of that double standard. But Molly, 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 5: I mean, Jesus Christ, has anybody been treated better or 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 5: lescessarily in this sense that it always redounds to his benefit. 37 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 5: He left there a freeman able to do whatever he wants. 38 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 5: You and I would be in prison for the rest 39 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 5: of our lives pending trial. 40 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: Right. 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that is the incredible thing about trump Ism 42 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: is that Trump has somehow convinced and again, like I 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: feel like the top line here is democracy dies and stupid. Right, 44 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: This guy reality television host who paints himself orange has 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: convinced the entire Republican Party, including the grown ups, quote unquote, 46 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: that somehow him getting in trouble for refusing to return 47 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: classified documents and telling. 48 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: Lawyers to lie about it and. 49 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: Showing these classified documents to other people is somehow convinced 50 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: them that this is in some way an. 51 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: Affront to him. 52 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's that for sure, and the fact that none 53 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 5: of the several dozen now other candidates for the Republican 54 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 5: nomination don't seem to be able to find a way 55 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 5: to use his vast criminality and treason his behavior against him. 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 2: But you know, again, there's also on the left a 57 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: reluctance to be very clear about what's going on here. 58 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: And this is frustrating for lay people like me because 59 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about the niceties of the 60 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: legal system. 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 5: We know he's guilty, not only because we saw it 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 5: with our own eyes and hurt it with our own ears. 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 5: The evidence has been unfolding in front of us for 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 5: over two years now, and it's just maddening how the 65 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 5: emphasis seems to be on just making sure everything's fair 66 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 5: for dom. 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbelievable. 68 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were just to look at the case 69 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 1: just the documents case, right, Mike Pence had accident. Let's 70 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: just say they accidentally took home. You know, Mike Penn's 71 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: excellently took documents. Joe Biden accidentally took documents, they returned them. 72 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: Period paragraph. 73 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: Donald Trump again took many, many boxes. 74 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: Maybe there was an accident, Okay, I mean I a 75 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: very hard time believing that from the fact that he 76 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: then told Mark Meadows, biographer, right, but that was who 77 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: he was talking to. He told someone, I have all 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: these secret documents. I could have declassified them, but now 79 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm not. Look there secret secret you know, Russell paper. 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know what, these are crimes. They're not 81 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: just crimes because Donald Trump is very popular. 82 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 5: No, no, And again, when has this man ever faced 83 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 5: the consequences of his actions. Never, There's always somebody there 84 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 5: to bail them out. So it's almost as if that 85 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 5: aura of invincibility means to many people that he should 86 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 5: always be able to crime with no consequences. It's completely insane. 87 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 5: And also what gets left out of the conversation, and 88 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 5: this is the part I just do not understand. There's 89 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 5: a very real possibility that American allies or American people 90 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 5: in the Secret Service were had their lives endangered. 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: By his actions, right exactly. 92 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 5: And you know we're talking we're not just talking about 93 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 5: the stubborn refusal to follow the rules, right because he 94 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 5: doesn't think the rules apply to him. 95 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: We're not just talking about that. 96 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 5: And by the way, that's enough, that's serious enough for 97 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 5: him to be spending decades in prison. We're talking about 98 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 5: treason of the highest level here and the undermining of 99 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 5: American national security which is ongoing. So that the idea 100 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 5: that this is all about spectacle and making sure that 101 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 5: you know, cameras have to be there to see when 102 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 5: he leaves the driveway and when he pulls up and 103 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 5: what he gets out of the car, right right, right, 104 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 5: It just makes it like it's it's flashbacks to the 105 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 5: empty podiums and the tarmacs Lane's idling on tarmacs in 106 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 5: twenty sixteen. 107 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: But it's worse because there's so much more at stake now. 108 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, this is this is the thing that 109 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm struck by, is that we here is a man 110 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: who has won the attention economy, right, he has dominated 111 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: you know what he did in twenty fifteen was he 112 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: got all the media and actually I read a statistic 113 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: that he had, you know, some billion dollar, hundreds of 114 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: millions of dollars in free media, right that he had 115 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: somehow he had gotten so much free media from his 116 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: Howard Sterns sort of shock jockey kind of stuff that 117 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: he had sort of won on that right. And as 118 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: you watch the car to the tarmac, the tarmac to 119 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: the jet, the jet to that, I mean, nobody needs 120 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: to see this and it is just helping the Donald 121 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: Trump brand yet. 122 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 5: One, because you know, they think that just his very 123 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 5: existence is more important than anything else. That was one 124 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 5: of the signs in twenty sixteen that we were heading 125 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 5: for trouble. There's Hillary Clinton giving a very substantive, very 126 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 5: important policy speech and nobody showed it because they were 127 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 5: waiting for Donald to come and I don't know, sell 128 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 5: bottled water or something. So it is quite something. Even 129 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 5: worse though, we have them cutting from their analysis to 130 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 5: his lawyer, who's not even a lawyer on this case, 131 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 5: speaking to reporters and lying through her teeth about everything. 132 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 5: Alena Haba, Elena Habba. You know, up until Donald tired 133 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 5: her was operating out of a strip mall somewhere in 134 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 5: New Jersey. No context, no analysis of all everything she 135 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 5: lied about. I mean, just say, President Biden hates America, 136 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 5: and if you if you hate Donald Trump, you hate 137 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 5: America because the two have become equated. 138 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: In these people's minds. 139 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 5: And then you've got people, even people like Rachel Matto saying, 140 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 5: you know, we need to kind of deal with Donald 141 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 5: and you know, just will will drop their charges as 142 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 5: long as he doesn't run or something in white universe? 143 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: Is that justice? Right? 144 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 6: Well? 145 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: And also the other thing is that none there's no 146 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: mechanism for that. I mean, the thing that I'm so 147 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: struck by is that what has happened is we've never 148 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: had someone who is so good at criming that, you know, 149 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: and so correct. You know, we always had some you know, 150 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: we've always had a president or someone you know where 151 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: they've you know where they've sort of been Abraham not 152 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln, but George Washington ask you know, I'm going 153 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: to take the high road. Even Nixon, you know, and 154 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: the guy is a and all. Even Nixon is like, 155 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: I guess it's time to go, right. But we have 156 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: someone here who's like his thing as he gets away 157 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: with it, and so he has decided he's going to 158 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: get away with it. 159 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: I think what's interesting. 160 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: As you look at the is I mean, there's just 161 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: no precedence for any of this, right, We're at state indictments, 162 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: federal indictments. 163 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 4: There's more state indictments coming. 164 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there's never been a situation where you have 165 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: like a real legal world and then you have this 166 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: guy who's. 167 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: Like fuck you. 168 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it shows you how danger it is not 169 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 5: to hold people accountable in real time instead of you know, 170 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: waiting for the decades of criming finally maybe potentially to 171 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 5: catch up with him. One of the things that I've 172 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 5: always found deeply worrisome is that because it takes so 173 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 5: long when they say justice Guyd's slow. 174 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 2: But fine, I think we need a new you know, 175 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: justice gruns. 176 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 5: I don't know, infinitesimly and maybe not so fine after 177 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 5: all that all of these cases in different venues are 178 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 5: happening now at around the same time. Also, thanks very 179 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 5: much for the fact that Merrick Garland did nothing, nothing 180 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 5: for over a year, which is unforgivable. 181 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: So I could see if you're so. 182 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 5: Inclined to be paranoid and to think that Donald Trump 183 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 5: really is somebody who's unfairly targeted. 184 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: I can see where it might seem like that. 185 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 5: Because so many people coming after him at the same time, 186 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 5: because he's committed so many crimes, But again, it seems 187 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 5: so unlikely, Like, how could that be possible? How could 188 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 5: somebody possibly get away with all of that for so long? 189 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: And it's only now when he's running again. 190 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, man. 191 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 5: You know, for those of us who who prefer reality, 192 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 5: the problem is that it's so obvious that he's guilty, 193 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 5: especially in Georgia and in this document's case, Like, how 194 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 5: can you like, why does it take so long? The 195 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 5: evidence has already been presented, and its evidence in his 196 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,239 Speaker 5: own words, right exactly. 197 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: I do think like one of the things when we 198 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: look back on, like how American democracy barely survived. 199 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: That's what my That's going to be my that's my. 200 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: Top line, because I don't want it to die. But 201 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, when we look back on this time, we're 202 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: going to you know, I think one of the things 203 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: we're going to say is that, like if Merrick Garland 204 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: had moved a little faster than you know, like he 205 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you we all saw in real time last 206 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 1: year when Trump decided to run because he knew it 207 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: would hurt their chances of being able to prosecute him. 208 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that was it. 209 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 4: That was We saw that happen in real time. 210 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: And now you know he's up there and Republicans are 211 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: saying they're trying to keep him from running for president. 212 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: There's not a. 213 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: Republican in the world who really believes that, except maybe 214 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green. 215 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 2: Oh she doesn't, right. 216 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 5: Bobert, And your your your favorite former super person in 217 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 5: Congress who we go over, and yeah, maybe a couple 218 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 5: of others like ghosts are but they don't believe any 219 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 5: of it. And I think that's this cynicism of all. 220 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 5: This is another thing that is so debilitating. Donald's breathtaking 221 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 5: cynicism of literally running for the highest office in the land, 222 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 5: not because he gives a shit about America and not 223 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 5: because he cares about the Constitution, which he's never read, 224 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 5: but because he wants to stay out of jail and 225 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 5: it's easier to grift from the oval office. Almost every 226 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 5: single elective Republican having made the political calculation that right 227 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 5: now they're stuck with him, So what are you going 228 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 5: to do? 229 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: Every single one. 230 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 5: Of them, even though I mean maybe two people have 231 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 5: spoken out against him. The rest are either completely in 232 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 5: his corner or like McConnell, are saying nothing. 233 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: They'll all vote for him if he gets the nomination. 234 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 5: I mean, that's just beyond that shoe serves to legitimize 235 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 5: him in the minds of many, many millions of people, 236 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 5: which has always been one of the most dangerous things, 237 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 5: right right. 238 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: Right, No, I mean, it's just I mean, I guess 239 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: I know how we got here, you know, all. 240 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: The parties here. 241 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: I feel like, and you have this psychological I've talked 242 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: about this when I've had you on the podcast before, 243 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: but I think it's really important you have this psychological 244 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: perspective of like what it's like to live with a 245 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: person who has the sort of weird pathologies that your 246 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: uncle has. 247 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 4: How does this play? 248 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 7: Now? 249 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: If you're going to game it out, you don't have 250 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: to be right, But just like, psychologically. 251 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: He keeps going. I mean, my sense is he never quits. 252 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, he can't because look, for 253 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 5: two reasons. One is because he literally believes, and he 254 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 5: may not be wrong, that his future freedom depends on 255 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 5: getting into the White House. 256 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: So there's that. The other thing, and we see this 257 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: very clearly in the documents case is he can't admit 258 00:13:59,000 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: he's wrong. 259 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 5: Course correcting mature people understand it as taking an information 260 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 5: processing it understanding that you need to go in a 261 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 5: different direction. 262 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean, oh my god, I was wrong and 263 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: I have to admit I was wrong and now to 264 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: do something else. But that's Donald's perspective. 265 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 5: If I course correct, then I have to admit I'm wrong, 266 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 5: and I can never be wrong. So he's on this 267 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 5: path and the only thing that takes him off of 268 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 5: the path is some external force, which remains to be seen, 269 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 5: because right now it doesn't look like any of these cases, 270 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 5: any of them, will interfere with his ability to run 271 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 5: for office, which is insanity. 272 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: The one thing that does surprise me. 273 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 5: It's very difficult to be reminded repeatedly that our system 274 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 5: is in place to protect those who want to destroy it. 275 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: Like for whom is this justice? I don't even know. 276 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 5: And that's the other thing that gets lost here. This 277 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 5: is a crime against the people of the United States. 278 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 5: It's not like he did something wrong and it was 279 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 5: a crime against the White House or whatever, right right exactly, 280 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 5: you know, this is a guy with serious mental illness. 281 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 5: He's got serious psychiatric disorders, and they're untreated. Any untreated illness, 282 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 5: no matter what it is, worse since over time. 283 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 4: Right, that's a really good point. 284 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, And we see instances of that, like he has 285 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 5: literally no impulse control anymore. He used to be able 286 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 5: to go into a deposition and you know, just say 287 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 5: I don't know, don't remember, no I and just play 288 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 5: it that way. Now he just can't shut up. And 289 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 5: he as we saw in the fabulous CNN town hall 290 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 5: and as we saw at Bedminster the other night, he's 291 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 5: really good at continuing to incriminate. 292 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: Himself, really good. 293 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know he's not decompensating in a way 294 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 5: that renders him in totally incapable of continuing. And I 295 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 5: think again that's because the guy's always been institutionalized. He's 296 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 5: always had people around him, you know, doing everything for him. 297 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 5: He has so much stolen money that you know, he 298 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 5: can hire people, he doesn't have to feed himself, he 299 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 5: doesn't have to buy lowes for himself, he doesn't have 300 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 5: to lift a finger to do the rest of the 301 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 5: things all of us have to do in order to 302 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 5: survive in this world. And I think that's partially what 303 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 5: kind of holds him together better than he would be 304 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 5: holding up if he had to live. 305 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: A life in the real world. Right, That's what I 306 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: think too. 307 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: I just think that this is how it's going to 308 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: go now, and there's now recourse, and I think it 309 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: seems like that George Conway is right that eventually he 310 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: just destroys the Republican Party and not the rest. 311 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 2: Of us, well exactly. 312 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 5: I mean, if his destruction could be limited to a 313 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 5: Republican Party, that's great, but there's no guarantee of that, because, 314 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 5: as you know as well as anybody, the Republican Party 315 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 5: is on a mission to make sure that they don't 316 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 5: have to win anymore in order to get their person 317 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 5: in the White House. 318 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 4: Right, And that is ultimately why. 319 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: We should all be very very worried. 320 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 4: Mary Trump, please come back soon. 321 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 5: Absolutely Well, it's going to be a long journey and 322 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 5: we definitely need to be sticking together, that's for sure. 323 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: Lockland Cartwright is an editor at large of The Daily 324 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: Beast and author of the newsletter Confider. 325 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 4: Welcome to Fast Politics, lock and Cartwright. 326 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 2: Good night, Good to be emli So Locklan. 327 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 4: You write one of the absolutely best. 328 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: Media newsletters in all of media World and you get 329 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,719 Speaker 1: all the scoops, and your newsletter is called Confider and 330 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: your tagline. 331 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 7: Is everyone loves it until they're in it. And it's 332 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 7: free and you can subscribe on the dailybase dot com Confider. 333 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what's happening right now. Last week 334 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: was a huge week for CNN, and I'm hoping you 335 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: could talk to us about what is. 336 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 4: Happening on one of the most famous cable news channels. 337 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, look, it's been a quite turbulent period 338 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 7: for CNN. A little over a year ago, it was 339 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 7: announced that Chrislick was being named as the CEO and chairman, 340 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 7: replacing Jeff Zucker, who was a legendary figure and incredibly 341 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 7: well liked by not only the talent at CNN, but 342 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 7: by producers journalists. He was an incredibly warm figure in 343 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 7: the newsroom and a real presence. So they went from Soccer, 344 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 7: who was ousted over this relationship he had with Alison Goldholst, 345 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 7: who also worked at CNN. Then Chris Lick came into 346 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 7: the building and almost immediately put people off by moving 347 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 7: up to an office well above the news room, not 348 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 7: taking a Zucker's old office, turning it into a conference 349 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 7: room and then you know, making changes like firing Brian Stelter, 350 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 7: so people were incredibly wary of him on the way in, 351 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 7: but he did nothing to really you know, win the 352 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 7: support of the rank and file, and things just kind 353 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 7: of got worse from there. He declared a town hall 354 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 7: there wouldn't be layofs well actually months later that they 355 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 7: were laos and just a series of missteps and you know, 356 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 7: self inflected wounds which really built to the Trump town hall, 357 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 7: which was an utter mitigated disaster. And then you know, 358 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 7: finding the Tim Lberto Atlantic profile. You know, that really 359 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 7: left David Zazof, you know, the head of Wanted Discovery 360 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 7: with with no choice but to to to resign in 361 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 7: and Leck exited the building last week and in his 362 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 7: place there's kind of a four person management team now 363 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 7: David Levy and the and tallis Eric Shirling and Virginia 364 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 7: Mosley while they go on this search for a new CEO. 365 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 7: But they're in no hurry to make that decision. I 366 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 7: think they've learnt their lesson in the fact that you know, 367 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 7: they didn't interview anyone for Zucker's position as a joke 368 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 7: and could fighter Chris Lick is our favorite schmoozer, basically 369 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 7: because he schmoozed his way into this gig and Zaz 370 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 7: didn't interview anyone, there wasn't a search. He just appointed 371 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 7: Lick and that totally blew up on him. So they 372 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 7: will take their time. They're basically settling everything down right now. 373 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 7: They'll take the summer and see cast a wide net 374 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 7: and see what emerges are in the fall. 375 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: So the crew that is in there right now too, 376 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: these are really old school CNN people who really know 377 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: what they're doing. 378 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: Will you talk a little bit. 379 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like they sort of went you know, 380 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: they had brought someone in who was not a CNN person, 381 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: and now they have a real kind of safety net again. 382 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Amy and tell us we could probably 383 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 7: start there because my money would be on her as 384 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 7: the red hot favorite to be named a CEO. 385 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 2: She's been at CNN five decades. 386 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 7: She's incredibly well respected, incredibly well l liked, and she 387 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 7: was there before Zucker, she was there during Zucker, she 388 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 7: survived under Leak, she's now steadying the ship again. And 389 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 7: you know, different people I speak to in the building 390 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 7: to say she's completely unflappable. She is a very cool 391 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 7: head in what it has been quite a disruptive time. 392 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 7: Then you've got Virginia Mosley, who's head of news gathering again, 393 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 7: someone that is a safe pair of hands. My money 394 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 7: probably wouldn't be on her taking the reins. You know, 395 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 7: she is managing the ship day to day. Eric Shirling 396 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 7: is a well accomplished producer. And then David Levy is 397 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 7: one of doz is lieutenants, and he's kind of really 398 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 7: sort of more on the corporate front. But it's these 399 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 7: four who are setting the ship. Particularly Amy is someone 400 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 7: that people internally really like, really respect, and after the 401 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 7: leak debacle, is someone that I you know, I'd be 402 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 7: putting my money on as the favorite to take over 403 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 7: a CEO. 404 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: So what happens now to like the people who didn't 405 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: survive the Lift administration? Like, I mean, is there a 406 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: world where any of those people you think come back 407 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: or do you think it's just that they. 408 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: Are sort of collateral damage? 409 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 7: I mean, Chris Lick is an incredible, well accomplished show runner. 410 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 7: Joe much success there. CBS This Morning on to Colbert. 411 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 7: There's a couple of things here we really need to 412 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 7: dig into. The first being is the hand of Zazz. 413 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 7: So ye know, David Zaslov was really in the background 414 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 7: during Lick's entire tenure, you know, giving him advice, stroke orders. 415 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 7: Lick was carrying that out, carrying out Zazo's vision of 416 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 7: bringing CNN more into the enter, having Republicans on, and so, 417 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 7: you know, I definitely think Lick can bounce back. I 418 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 7: think it's going to take a little bit of time. 419 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 7: But you know, he went from running and I've pointed 420 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 7: this out and confider, he went from running shows of 421 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 7: you know, two dozen max three dozen stuff as to 422 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 7: running a four thousand person international news network. I mean 423 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 7: that's a huge leap. And so you've got to really 424 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 7: put a lot of this back at the feet of 425 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 7: David Zaslov. And I think the wider theme is ISAs 426 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 7: going to back off for the next person if it 427 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 7: is Amyan Tallis is she going to have to deal 428 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 7: with late night, early morning phone calls from David Zaslov saying, 429 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 7: you know, we need to put this person on, or 430 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 7: we need to do more of this or less of this. 431 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 7: And so I do feel for Chris Lick. I think 432 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 7: he was in an impossible position, particularly towards the end 433 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 7: of this mess. I do think there's a world where 434 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,239 Speaker 7: he comes back in another capacity, probably running something a 435 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 7: lot smaller than CNN, but certainly a show runner for 436 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 7: a major show. And then you know the people around 437 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 7: him that that took the hit, the c and NPR 438 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 7: people who were blamed for the Tilerlberder profile, they can certainly, 439 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 7: they can certainly bounce back. There's a world where they 440 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 7: come back in different different industries with different capacities. In 441 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 7: the in the news business was you know, a mess 442 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 7: that there were a lot of factors that contributed to it. 443 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 7: I would say that, you know, David Zazov has a 444 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 7: very prominent role to play and responsibility here is Azov? 445 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 4: Why does he control CNN? 446 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: Just explain that, can you? 447 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean he heads up you know, Want of Discovery, 448 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 7: and when Discovery took over Warner, they obviously took on CNN. 449 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 7: And he has kind of made this, I guess a 450 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 7: pet project of his with I think, you know in 451 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 7: the background, John Malone, who's on the board of Want 452 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 7: of Discovery and has voiced his I guess displeasure at 453 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 7: the way CNN went in all on the resistance and 454 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 7: in on giving so much airtime to try he has 455 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 7: kind of, I think made it a mission of his 456 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 7: to reshape CNN. Zaslov has and has really been in 457 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 7: the background whispering in Lick's year. And you know, Lick 458 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 7: has been carrying out that vision. So, you know, having 459 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 7: more Republicans on the air, getting rid of Brian Stelta, 460 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 7: all of these are things that Malone and Zadizlov wanted 461 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 7: and Lick was just carrying that that vision out. 462 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: The show that Brian Stelter hosted was a show called 463 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: Reliable Sources, and it was a show about the media, 464 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: and it was really the only media show on television. 465 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: It was around for you know, a couple of decades. 466 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: Now it's gone. Do you think that there should be 467 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: a show about the media on cable? You know, I mean, 468 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: is there stuff to learn from this kind of like 469 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: a television show about the media, And do you think 470 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: not having it as problematic? 471 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 7: Yeah? I think coming into an election year, I think 472 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 7: it is helpful to have a program that analyzes and 473 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 7: criticizes the media, whether that's on cable or whether that's 474 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 7: you know, a digital property. You know, I think there 475 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 7: is an audience for that, you know. I think it 476 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 7: was always very curious that one of Leck's first major 477 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 7: moves was to fire Brian Stelter. I mean, what was 478 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 7: the urgency in canceling that show? And what was the 479 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 7: need to fire that bloke? You know, you could have 480 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 7: rehoused him as a correspondent or an on air pundit. 481 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 7: You know, that that move, that first move, you know, 482 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 7: and I've wrote written about this and confider that was 483 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 7: the hand of John Malone and David Zaslov No doubt 484 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 7: they were in leeks a year, you know, saying let's 485 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 7: let's show Republicans and let's show people that we're making 486 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 7: some changes here. And Brian Stelter was a sacrificial lamb. 487 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 7: While things do seem to be I guess a steadying 488 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 7: a tad, the damage that's been done to this network, 489 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 7: particularly in the ratings, is something that is going to 490 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 7: take a long time to rebuild. MSNBC is just absolutely 491 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 7: smashing it right now and creaming CNN. I mean, this week, 492 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 7: particularly with the indictment, you would have thought would have 493 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 7: been a big week for CNN. And while they're up 494 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 7: a little bit, MSNBC is just absolutely crushing it right now. 495 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 7: And they even beat Fox in primetime this week, So 496 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 7: you know, it is important to know that there's been 497 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 7: some real reputational damage done to CNN and in the 498 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 7: ratings particularly. This is going to take some time for 499 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 7: them to rebuild. 500 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 4: So interesting talk to me about Washington Post. 501 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, so look what this week, the publisher, Fred Ryan 502 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 7: stepped down after what has really been a last twelve 503 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 7: months sup period of tumults. They've lost a lot of talent, 504 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 7: a lot of big name reporters have departed to rival outlets. 505 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 7: They've also lost a lot of important people on their 506 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 7: business sides, and there's just been this simmering tension that 507 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 7: has been going on between the newsroom and Fred Ryan, 508 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 7: the publisher. And a lot of this has to do 509 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 7: with the positioning of what Pole coming out of the 510 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 7: Trump years. You look at the New York Times, they 511 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 7: really built a subscription business, not just off the back 512 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 7: of the great journalism they produced, but word all the cooking, 513 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 7: acquiring the Athletic and what Pole really didn't make you 514 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 7: any kind of similar savvy moves. So they've started to 515 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 7: lose subscribers and added to that, the newsroom really started 516 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 7: to lose confidence in their publisher. He made some comments 517 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 7: at a town hall last year about about layoffs and 518 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 7: then wouldn't take any questions. So there has been kind 519 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 7: of a sense that he had lost the support of 520 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 7: the newsroom. And then Jeff Bezos, the owner of the 521 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 7: watching the Post, made a visit back in January, I think, 522 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 7: sensing that there was some issues playing out and also 523 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 7: some tension between the air in chief Sully Busby and 524 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 7: Ryan and Bezos made a visit, also met with different 525 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 7: key staff I guess to try and read the room temperature. 526 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 7: And then several months later you now have the publisher 527 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 7: who's departed, which I think people I've spoken to it 528 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 7: what pole in the last week, are really rejoicing over 529 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 7: hoping that this now turns a corner. 530 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 4: Even though he was there for a long time, right. 531 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he's been there for you know, several years. 532 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 7: You know, it was someone that the newsroom had just 533 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 7: really lost confidence in. You know, he wasn't able to 534 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 7: make any sort of clear decisions about what the direction 535 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 7: of the Washington Post was going to take, you know, 536 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 7: post the Trump years, and I think there were a 537 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 7: couple of missteps there that has really cost them, you know, 538 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 7: some key talent and inability to drive subscribers when you 539 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 7: look at the success of the Times and the moves 540 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,959 Speaker 7: they've made. You know what Pole has really been left behind? 541 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: So interesting We're now in another Trump world in like 542 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen all over again, because what. 543 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 7: A time to be alive, Molly alive. 544 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure we are, but it's two thousand and 545 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: fifteen at nauseum. 546 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 4: Do you think that there. 547 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: Are lessons to be learned from that time in the 548 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: way that Trump gets free media? 549 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there are lessons to be learned, and 550 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 7: I just look around and I don't think anyone. 551 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 8: Has learned them. 552 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 4: That's depressing. 553 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 7: We've gone back to the future. And yeah, you look 554 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 7: at what happened after the indictment. You know, he just 555 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 7: turned it into a campaign rally again. And look, MSNBC 556 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 7: and a couple of other networks cut away. But I 557 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 7: picked up The Times straight after that. There was I 558 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 7: think a double pay spread about it. He is a 559 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 7: master at manipulating the press. I'm just not sure if 560 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 7: the media has caught on to that. 561 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: It's such an impossible, impossible problem. 562 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 7: I mean, I think everyone, I think one's grappling with it. 563 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 7: And I think that that's the first part that everyone 564 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 7: is acknowledging we're going back into this, but I don't 565 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 7: think the lesson has been fully fully learned. And you know, 566 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 7: as we get closer to this, to going back through it, 567 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 7: you know, I can just see a world in which, 568 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 7: you know, we just have back to back coverage of 569 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 7: this bloke and you know, allowing him to manipulate the 570 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 7: press like he did, you know, the lost couple of 571 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 7: go rounds. 572 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 4: Oh Locke, one cart right. Thank you for giving me 573 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 4: a heartburn. 574 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 2: Please come back soon, Confider the Deadly Beast. 575 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: Hi, It's Mollie and I am wildly excited that for 576 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: the first time, Fast Politics, the show you're listening to 577 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: right now, is going to have merch for sale over 578 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: at shop dot fastpoliticspod dot com. 579 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: You can now buy shirts. 580 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: Hats, hoodies, and toe bags with our incredible designs. 581 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 2: We've heard your cries to spread the word. 582 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: About our podcast and get a topag with my adorable 583 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: Leo the Rescue Puppy. 584 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 6: On it, and now you can grab this merchandise only 585 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 6: at shop dot fastpoliticspod dot com. 586 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 4: Thanks for your support. 587 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: Paul Kaine is the Washington Post senior congressional correspondent. Welcome 588 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: to Fast Politics Paul Kane. 589 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 8: All right, thank you for having me. Appreciate it. 590 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: We really wanted to have you because you've written about this. 591 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: It seems like there's some pretty exciting and by exciting, 592 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: I mean what is happening with the Republicans in Congress. 593 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: I think this started with the debt ceiling compromise, so 594 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: it has created this incredibly fascinating story which I'm not 595 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: seeing a ton of coverage jobs, So I would love 596 00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: you to walk us through it. 597 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 8: So, yeah, you go back to the night of May thirty. First, 598 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 8: you have this really surprising, big bipartisan vote for the 599 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 8: debt ceiling lift, which you know comes with some spending 600 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 8: constraints on what President Biden can do, but it you know, 601 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 8: clears this path for two years. It gives a budget 602 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 8: outline for two years, which should make it easier to 603 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 8: avoid a government shut down on funding the federal agencies 604 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 8: later this year and next year. So it was a 605 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 8: good moment. And you know, Speaker McCarthy, against all you know, expectations, 606 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 8: got more than two thirds of his conference to vote 607 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 8: for this bill. 608 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 4: I mean, were you surprised. 609 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 8: I was surprised because it was you know that the 610 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 8: deal was sort of announced on a Saturday evening that 611 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 8: it was going to happen, and then you know, the 612 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,239 Speaker 8: bill text came out on Sunday evening, and there were 613 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 8: a couple of days there where it felt like, you know, 614 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 8: it felt like it was an airliner that was sort 615 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 8: of losing altitude and momentum. And there were a couple 616 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 8: of people here and there who announced that they were opposed, 617 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 8: and sources of mine who were chiefs the staff or 618 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 8: rank and file types were like, oh, my god, she's 619 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 8: going to vote against this. That's not good. But then 620 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 8: it just got a sort of reassuring amount of support 621 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 8: from people who in the past would have been the 622 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 8: Republican rebels. My friend at the New York Times, Carl Hols, 623 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 8: has dubbed them the mutineers, the mutineers of the past. 624 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 8: People like Jim Jordan and Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas 625 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 8: Massey were all in support of this bill. 626 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: Even though Marjorie Taylor Green called it a shit sandwich. 627 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 8: Yes, yes, it reassured things, and there was still some 628 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 8: angry antagonists out there, but it appeared as if they 629 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 8: were going to walk away feeling like, you know, all right, 630 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 8: everybody was saying, are you guys going to try to 631 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 8: do this quote unquote motion to vacate and expel McCarthy 632 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 8: being speaker? And what we lost track of in all 633 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 8: of that is we were kept saying are you going 634 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 8: to expel McCarthy? And they're like, no, no, no, stop 635 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 8: asking that question. What they had decided to do was 636 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 8: not to force a vote that where they could try 637 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 8: and get Kevin McCarthy out as speaker. They decided to 638 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 8: simply shut down the House floor. You know, the way 639 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 8: it works on any bill that is of real substance, 640 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,320 Speaker 8: you have to go to the Rules Committee, and the 641 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 8: Rules Committee is the one that then decides on how 642 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 8: many amendments are in order, how they'll be voted on. 643 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 8: You know, is this up or down? 644 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 3: Is there? 645 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 8: You know, all sorts of aspects of the debate, how long, 646 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,880 Speaker 8: how much time each side gets, And so the Rules 647 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 8: Committee sets that out and then you go to the 648 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 8: floor and the full House has to approve that rule 649 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 8: before the actual debate can begin. And so lo and behold, 650 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 8: he's eleven to twelve. Rebels, mutineers, antagonists, far right, faction, 651 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 8: cheese your phrase for whatever you want to call them. 652 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 8: They had a little sneak attack, and they decided to 653 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 8: tank this rule. You know, he's only got a margin 654 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 8: of four five votes depending on attendance on that particular day, 655 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 8: McCarthy does, and they had they had, you know, eleven 656 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 8: to twelve depending on the moment who decided they were 657 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 8: going to vote against the rule. And when it comes 658 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 8: to voting on the rule, just by tradition, it is 659 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 8: almost always the majority party that carries the rule, and 660 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 8: so the minority party never puts up any votes. They 661 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 8: did so to pass the debt ceiling bill on May 662 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 8: thirty first. 663 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 4: To avoid financial catastrophe. 664 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 8: Yes, extraordinary circumstances, and you know, with the imperivature of 665 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 8: Joe Biden saying, yes, this is a good bill, let's 666 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 8: vote for it. And so but not, they're not going 667 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 8: to do that day in and day out. So McCarthy 668 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 8: has to get his side to approve a rules so 669 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 8: that you can get to legislation. And so they just 670 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 8: decided they were going to shut down the floor of 671 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 8: the House as a bit of revenge. Now, what they 672 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 8: were doing was impaleling themselves. This was a this was 673 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 8: legislation that was all about, you know, just sort of 674 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 8: hot button culture issue type of stuff. 675 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: Wasn't it the gas stove legislation. So this is a 676 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 1: messaging bill that says that something blah blah blah gas stoves. 677 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,360 Speaker 8: Right, yes, and it has no hope of passing. The 678 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 8: Senate was never going to take it up, the President 679 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,919 Speaker 8: is ever going to sign it. The only reason this bill, 680 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 8: and there was a package of them on other regulatory issues, 681 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 8: the only reason this bill was coming to the floor 682 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,760 Speaker 8: was to appease people the right on the right wing faction. 683 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 4: But they like gas stoves, yes. 684 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 8: But they decided to make their point. They were willing 685 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 8: to block their own bill, so they wanted to shut 686 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 8: the floor down. And you know that happened on as 687 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 8: it is. Well, it's a strange world of Congress, you know. Yeah, 688 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 8: sometimes the way you mean is by punching yourself in 689 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 8: the face. That's what they did. And it took about 690 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 8: a week a week and a half to sort of 691 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 8: unpack this whole problem. And they basically kept having these 692 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 8: meetings in McCarthy's office trying to say, we want to 693 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 8: get more assurances, more concessions that we thought we had 694 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 8: gotten back in January. You know, we want to reopen 695 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 8: that agreement. They were talking. They were using that phrase 696 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 8: as if this was actually some sort of binding contract 697 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 8: that we had all seen. 698 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 4: What that McCarthy was running for speaker. 699 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 2: I mean, how would that even work. 700 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 8: Well, No, way back in January when he had to 701 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 8: go through those fifteen different votes, McCarthy had gave in 702 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 8: all a bunch of concessions, a lot that we know about, 703 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 8: some that we don't know about, that were, you know, 704 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 8: pretty big gives to the far right, giving them seats, 705 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 8: giving them seats on important committees like the House Rules Committee, 706 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 8: like the House Appropriations Committee, giving them, giving them the 707 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 8: device by which they could expel McCarthy from from being speaker. 708 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 8: And so they thought they had certain commitments from him, 709 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 8: and they might be stretching the truth here, but they 710 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 8: thought that they could reopen this and try and get 711 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 8: like ironclad guarantees that you will never again pass a 712 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 8: bill just with Democratic votes or or you know where 713 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 8: the majority, the majority on that big vote on the 714 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 8: debt ceiling actually had fewer votes than the minority. There 715 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 8: were one hundred and forty nine Republicans, but there were 716 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 8: one hundred and sixty five Democrats. They wanted to to 717 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 8: just talk about this stuff, invent about this stuff, and 718 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 8: they wanted to try and get a few more concessions 719 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 8: out of them, and they did. You know, the thing 720 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 8: about Kevin McCarthy that you have to understand is that 721 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 8: he's going to a cave. It's a math problem. He 722 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,720 Speaker 8: knows that the only way he can quote unquote govern 723 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 8: is to give in to his exotics. And that means 724 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 8: that you started seeing other things pop up, like there 725 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 8: was a pretty far reaching attempt to not let people 726 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 8: regulate guns and gun ammunition that got thrown into this 727 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 8: package of bills that was considered sort of out of nowhere. 728 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 8: One of the far far far right members, Anna Pauline Iluna, 729 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 8: offered a central resolution to Adam Schiff. 730 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 4: Right that was yesterday. 731 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, what she just threw that in there just to 732 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: like get everybody upset. 733 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,959 Speaker 8: Yeah, it just became an additional thing, an additional demand, 734 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 8: Like we're going to have this vote on the floor, 735 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,839 Speaker 8: and you know, the leadership was like, all right, we'll 736 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 8: let you have the vote, but you're probably going to lose. 737 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 8: And sure enough, they did have the vote, and they 738 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 8: did lose, as almost thirty House Republicans voted against censuring 739 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 8: Shift and they were going to include an insane sixteen 740 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 8: million dollar fine toward him that was just absolutely unheard of. 741 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 8: And this is all going back to statements he made 742 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 8: about Russia's attempts to interfere in the twenty sixteen election. 743 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 8: This was really playing toward Trump in all of the 744 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,760 Speaker 8: ways possible. These are their demands, these are the things 745 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 8: that they want to see happen, and McCarthy is repeatedly 746 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 8: giving in it unbelievable. 747 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 4: It's almost like a hostage situation, now right. 748 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 2: It is. 749 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 8: It's different than a hostage situation because that those situations end, 750 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,479 Speaker 8: they end one way. They end one way or another way. 751 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 8: In one way is like safe and sound and somebody's 752 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 8: paid a ransom, and the other way is not good 753 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 8: at all. This is just a repeated gathering of the 754 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 8: hostage takers with the hostage and they are just you know, 755 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 8: regularly meeting with him to explain the next time they 756 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 8: might hold him hostage. And if you you can avoid 757 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 8: this next moment, if you give us this, this and 758 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 8: this now. And the response generally from McCarthy is okay, 759 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 8: we'll have your vote. Go go put this crazy gunbill 760 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 8: on the floor, Go do the central resolution. Okay, you've 761 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 8: got it. There's a there's a lurking new demand that 762 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 8: a Utah Republican Chris Stewart is resigning midterm. It's effective 763 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,240 Speaker 8: in September. He's on the Appropriations Committee. It's a really 764 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 8: important committee that controls all the federal spending. And the 765 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 8: far right is putting down their marker now saying we 766 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 8: want one of our own to get that committee slot. 767 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 8: You know, these things are just evolving. So that's why 768 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 8: I'm saying, it's not like your standard hostage situation where 769 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 8: there's a standoff and it's done and finished. It's kind 770 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 8: of never finished. It's this ongoing, amorphous hostage holding. 771 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 4: So it's a forever hostage situation, which it's like a lot. 772 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: So if you want to put one of these far 773 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,440 Speaker 1: right people on the Appropriations What I think is a 774 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: little bit interesting about this debt ceiling debacle is that 775 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: what happened. 776 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 4: Was that there actually was really a schism in that group. 777 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 8: Right. 778 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the people who supported it are not the 779 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: people who are mad at McCarthy right now, right, I 780 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: mean they are like his people. So I mean there 781 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: are people on the far right who are putting sand 782 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: in the gears right, like people like Matt Gaates. 783 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,919 Speaker 8: Yeah, there is a real divide. We have for years now, 784 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,719 Speaker 8: since about twenty fourteen or fifteen, whenever the Freedom of 785 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,760 Speaker 8: Caucus was founded by the farthest to to three dozen 786 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 8: farthest right Republicans, we've sort of used that as just 787 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,400 Speaker 8: quick code word freedom of caucus. But what you're seeing 788 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 8: this year is that there are some real divides within 789 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 8: that group of about three dozen. There's a dozen or 790 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 8: maybe up to two dozen. They're kind of friendly to McCarthy. 791 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 8: Marjorie Tayler Green and Jim Jordan are the best examples 792 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 8: of it. They realize that McCarthy is weak and they 793 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 8: can pretty much do almost whatever they want with McCarthy 794 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 8: as speaker. So they like that. They like him. He 795 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 8: lets them do whatever they want. He never tells them 796 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 8: that they have to stop. And so the last thing 797 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 8: they want is to have a new speaker who might 798 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 8: try to be, you know, inforce some discipline. 799 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:00,760 Speaker 2: But Matt ga does not happen. 800 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 8: Matt Gates is part of this faction of about a 801 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 8: dozen or so who are both the most ardent Trumps 802 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 8: supporters and also some of them like Chip Roy of 803 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 8: Texas are really hardcore Heap Party descendants, and they actually 804 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 8: believe in small government then less spending, and they actually 805 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 8: kind of tend to gravitate more towards Ron DeSantis because 806 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 8: they served in Congress with DeSantis and they actually kind of, 807 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 8: you know, they don't admit this publicly, but they know 808 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,640 Speaker 8: that Trump is really a sellout the most of their 809 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 8: ideological conservative causes. Trump Trump doesn't care about spending and 810 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 8: debts and deficits, you know, at all. And so this 811 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 8: group of about twelve or so of them are the hardest, 812 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,879 Speaker 8: you know, the hardest farthest to the right in that caucus, 813 00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:03,799 Speaker 8: and they are going to repeatedly make things tough on McCarthy. 814 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 8: And that's where he's dealing with that group that twelve 815 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 8: to fourteen of them are. It's not the whole three 816 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,799 Speaker 8: dozen or so that are in the Freedom Caucus. It's 817 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 8: that last dozen that are causing the biggest problems right now. 818 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: So interesting, so we do have a dead ceialing deal. 819 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: It will carry America until this next election, so that 820 00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: is not going to come up. What do you see 821 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: in the future on the calendar that could I mean 822 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is it's annoying for Republicans, 823 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: but it doesn't have any larger implications for the rest 824 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: of us. 825 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 8: True, there are two things, and they're intertwined. That are 826 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 8: the next big land mines that are out here on 827 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,240 Speaker 8: the horizon where Congress will once again, through its own 828 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 8: self inflicted behavior, become a big story again. By the 829 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 8: end of September, you have the annual funding bills for 830 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 8: federal agencies that come do in the previous four to 831 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 8: five years. We had just sort of gotten into this rhythm. 832 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 8: It's not really rhythm at all. It's a rhythmic where 833 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 8: you don't meet the deadline of September thirtieth, and you 834 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 8: punt you keep the government open at what's called the 835 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 8: continuing resolution, and eventually, by either the mid middle of 836 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 8: December or sometimes late februaryly March, they pass all the 837 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,440 Speaker 8: funding bills in one big, massive thing that we call 838 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 8: it omnibus bill. Well, House Republicans heeded those bills and 839 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 8: they did not want to do that. So this time 840 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 8: they thought that they had set this up where you 841 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,720 Speaker 8: could start passing these bills one by one. They're supposed 842 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 8: to be a dozen of them that pass individually. But 843 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 8: now this hard right faction has said, we don't like 844 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 8: these spending levels that you agreed to with Joe Biden, 845 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 8: so we demand, we hear by demand that you will 846 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 8: write these bills at about one hundred and twenty billion 847 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,720 Speaker 8: dollars less than what you had agreed to with Biden. 848 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 8: And also you can't cut at from defense, veterans affairs, 849 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 8: or order securities. 850 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 2: How would that work? 851 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 8: It would work by if it were to actually become law. 852 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 8: It would mean that places like you know, Department of 853 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 8: Health and Human Services, Department of Justice, Department of Education, ARC, 854 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 8: and National Park Service would all get big massive cuts 855 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 8: of ten, fifteen to twenty percent, which would probably be 856 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 8: pretty unpopular if it were ever enacted into law, right, 857 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 8: And it's it's if they actually are going to make 858 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 8: some of their wing district moderates take those votes. Those 859 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,560 Speaker 8: are not good votes, whether they end up in law 860 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,520 Speaker 8: or not, and sort of become like made to order 861 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 8: political attack ads for Democrats to run against them. It's 862 00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 8: setting up this system where the Senate is going to 863 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 8: right there funding bills at the agreed upon level, and 864 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 8: the House is not, and the House is going to 865 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 8: vote move them at much lower and so it becomes 866 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 8: very hard to figure out how to pass those two 867 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 8: things if the Senate and the House are one hundred 868 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 8: and twenty billion apart. Moreover, at some point later this year, 869 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 8: the Biden administration is going to come in with a 870 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 8: request for Ukraine war funding and they're going to need 871 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 8: tens of billions of more dollars to support Zelenski and 872 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,240 Speaker 8: the war effort, and that is going to be a 873 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 8: very very tricky vote. Normally, you would see that tacked 874 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 8: onto one of these spending bills and it would just 875 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,239 Speaker 8: be a writer so called rider. Right now, in the 876 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 8: Republican Party, you know, thanks to a lot of vitriol 877 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 8: by Tucker Carlson and some others, they've really built up 878 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:02,360 Speaker 8: an antipathy toward this war, and a lot of members 879 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 8: of the House Republican Conference, even the ones that are 880 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:12,440 Speaker 8: traditional anti Russia hawks, are really really leery of casting 881 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,399 Speaker 8: that vote for Ukraine war funding. And now if you're 882 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 8: going to tack that onto a bill that is driven 883 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,800 Speaker 8: by the thenet and has higher funding levels for these 884 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,839 Speaker 8: government agencies than the far far right wanted to put 885 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 8: on them, now you've got some real serious potential consequences 886 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,359 Speaker 8: here where you could have a government shut down at 887 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,960 Speaker 8: some point later in the year, and then you could 888 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 8: also have the new hostage. Here could be funding for 889 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 8: the Ukraine war, and that's going to get really difficult 890 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,319 Speaker 8: because I think Donald Trump will come out heavily against that. 891 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 8: Trump stayed silent on the debt ceiling deal because, as 892 00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,359 Speaker 8: I said earlier, deep down he really doesn't care about 893 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 8: debts and death sits, and it's not his thing. But 894 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 8: we have seen repeatedly over and over he does not 895 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 8: want US funding the war against Putin, and he will 896 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 8: most likely come out very much against that, and it 897 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 8: will become. 898 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,280 Speaker 2: A harder and harder vote for McCarthy. 899 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,279 Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. Thank you so much, Paul Caine. I hope 900 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:20,919 Speaker 1: you'll come back. 901 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,640 Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is fun. 902 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: No Mofectly, Jesse Cannon. 903 00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 8: Molly Jong Fast this Michael knowlesfellow. 904 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 3: A lot of people don't realize that he's one of 905 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,839 Speaker 3: those daily wire hosts that is, like, arguably in the 906 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,040 Speaker 3: top five most popular podcast hosts on the Internet, even 907 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 3: though he flies under most people's radar. 908 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,400 Speaker 8: And I'm going to tell you something, You'll be shocked. 909 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,720 Speaker 8: He's a little extreme. 910 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 2: He's not even a little extreme. 911 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,240 Speaker 1: He sucks, and he's also radicalizing whoever it is who's 912 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,960 Speaker 1: listening to that podcast. And his new thing is that 913 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: he's very furious. By the way, the whole thing is. 914 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: They're just furious. That's the stick. They're furious about everything 915 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,680 Speaker 1: right and right now. They're outraged about the Pride Flag, 916 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: and so the Daily Wires Michael Knowles, he's like Ben Shapiro, 917 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: but sort of a little bit longer. The Pride flag 918 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: is quote unquote offensive to all normal people and should 919 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,320 Speaker 1: be banned from all public spaces because it's evil and degenerate. 920 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 1: It is neither evil nor degenerate. But what is evil 921 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 1: and degenerate is that these guys are brainwashing our youth, 922 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,920 Speaker 1: and so they are our moment of fuckery. That's it 923 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,600 Speaker 1: for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, 924 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds in politics 925 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,839 Speaker 1: makes sense of all this chaos. If you enjoyed what 926 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: you've heard, please send it to a friend and keep 927 00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 1: the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.