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Speaker 1: Good morning, swear and welcome to the Nodunks podcast on

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Speaker 1: the Athletic Network. It's just after ten am Eastern here

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Speaker 1: on Monday, July first, twenty twenty four. Happy Canada Day

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Speaker 1: to everyone. I'm jay E Skeets here in the yard.

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Speaker 1: We're in my red chugging maple syrup and alongside me

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Speaker 1: as always task.

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Speaker 2: Melists podcast listeners for free agency fun. This one's for you.

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Speaker 1: Next to him or here on the screen. It's the

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Speaker 1: Beard Boe, a top shot boy, Tray Kirby, Hey out

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Speaker 1: a Hey, and lurking in the background making the magic happen.

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Speaker 1: We've got our super producer JD. I think Esh is

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Speaker 1: back there as well, keeping his eyes still on the

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Speaker 1: Twitter accounts because we did our live free agency so

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Speaker 1: last night. It was a slow start for being honest

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Speaker 1: to the free agency news. We had a few things,

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Speaker 1: we had some rumors, but hours after we logged off

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Speaker 1: and then the Clippers announced, hey, Paul George is leaving.

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Speaker 1: Reports surfaced early Monday morning that the nine time All

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Speaker 1: Star has come to terms on a four year, two

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Speaker 1: hundred and twelve million dollar contract with the Philadelphia seventy

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Speaker 1: six ers. Task Let's start with you. We expected this

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Speaker 1: last night when we were going live, and it happens,

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Speaker 1: and he gets that MAX deal and he gets that

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Speaker 1: fourth year that PG wonted.

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Speaker 2: What do you think he wanted that money? So yes,

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Speaker 2: good for him, That's exactly what he wanted. He wanted

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Speaker 2: four years. He didn't want to match Kawhi's contract of

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Speaker 2: three years in LAC You just said nine time All Star.

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Speaker 2: I had to double check that. Paul George's what. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't feel that way, but Sexers obviously wanted to change

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Speaker 2: their lineup big time. The plan worked. Trade James Harden

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Speaker 2: during the year, let Tobias Harris go get someone else

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Speaker 2: a Max. It's the best team that they've had since

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler and Ben Simmons were four bounced by Kawhi Leondard,

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Speaker 2: I'd say in twenty nineteen. And you get to keep

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Speaker 2: and beat around. I think I assume for his three

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Speaker 2: years that he's got on his contract, and he's got

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Speaker 2: way more talent to play when he misses games, and

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Speaker 2: I think he may miss games on purpose because Paul

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Speaker 2: George can step in and be that. And I just

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Speaker 2: think for fans of the East, this is great for

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Speaker 2: the East. We got some dogs, Celtics, dog Bucks. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: let me take that back. Celtics, dog Nicks, dog Sixers,

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Speaker 2: dog Bucks, Pacers, Calves, Magic, different kind of dogs, different

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Speaker 2: breeds of dogs, but I still think they're dogs. So

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Speaker 2: I just think for the Eastern Conference, it's getting it's better.

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Speaker 2: This is definitely helped us all as Eastern conferencers.

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Speaker 1: Trey Woes called this quote one of the most formidable

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Speaker 1: big threes in recent NBA history, and his thinking here is,

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Speaker 1: you feature an ideal roster balance, right. You've got your

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Speaker 1: lead guard in Maxi, your two way wing player in

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Speaker 1: Paul George, and your dominant big man in Embiid. Do

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Speaker 1: you buy that? Do you agree with that? Is Wojan

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Speaker 1: many others right calling this one of the most impressive

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Speaker 1: big threes we've seen in a while.

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Speaker 3: Or is that a little too much for you? I

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Speaker 3: they're probably the best big three in the league right now.

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Speaker 3: We haven't seen him play together, but the fit is nice.

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Speaker 3: You got a guard, you got a wing, and you

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Speaker 3: got a center. All of them can be the number

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Speaker 3: think that's good for Embiid because, like tass is saying,

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Speaker 3: they need him healthy at the end of the season.

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Speaker 3: And that's the key for the Sixers, just like it

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Speaker 3: playing with Kawhi. Who's actually healthy in the plays when

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Speaker 3: previous seasons. And most importantly, it's got to be Embiid.

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Speaker 3: Has got to be on the court for the Sixers

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Speaker 3: when it comes to nut cutting time, because otherwise they

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Speaker 3: don't have anybody. They've basically got three players in their

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Speaker 3: They improved. They are right behind the Celtics to me,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny that Maury just keeps trying this. You

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Speaker 1: a guy that you know, we were arguing on last

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Speaker 1: It's Embiid? And then is it Max or Paul George?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they take turns. But this is this is

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Speaker 1: these other guys. They did sign Kelly Ubray junior Andre

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Speaker 1: the Paul George move. But it's still obviously the Celtics Conference,

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Speaker 1: It's not like a done deal that the Sixers are

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Speaker 1: go to a finals that they haven't been to since

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Speaker 1: two thousand and one with iverson, but definitely definitely improve

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Speaker 3: At first, yeah, I don't think there was a better

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Speaker 3: but were they really contenders? It didn't necessarily feel like that.

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Speaker 3: getting Paul George, but some crazy stuff with this guy

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Speaker 3: Daryl Morey basically didn't want to pay James Harden the

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Speaker 1: Nasty. Yeah, And we had that weird statement last night

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Speaker 1: Tellice after we went off the air, where the Clippers

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Speaker 1: the second Apron and the new CPA and see you later, Paul,

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Speaker 1: thanks for those great games five and six against the Jazz.

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Speaker 1: The weirdest statement I can remember from a team with

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Speaker 2: No, I don't remember a team going out and making

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Speaker 2: that statement and basically saying, yes, this guy is leaving,

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Speaker 2: and I hope all of our season seat holders for

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Speaker 2: Morey able to save his butt. I mean they traded

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Speaker 2: after not being able to execute in Game six and

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Speaker 2: got to be that being the Paul George family. I

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Speaker 2: MBPG and MAXI. He was really good last year after

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Speaker 2: Eric Gordon will get minutes. I was an Eric Gordon

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Speaker 2: playoffs two on a very very different role, less threes.

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Speaker 2: But those two guys, along with Drummond Paul Reid, those

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Speaker 1: I love that this PG going to Philly sort of

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals and says, quote, hopefully this offseason we find

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Speaker 1: legit pauses side eyes Paul George, who's on the desk

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Speaker 1: and says, add some pieces and everyone, oh what is Embiid? No,

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Speaker 1: my god, he's Tampa Rigg. He's trying to get Paul

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Speaker 1: obviously now joining them, And no excuses for Embiid. Now

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Speaker 1: this is the best big three he's had around him.

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Speaker 1: He just has to be healthy. He needs to play

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Speaker 1: elite basketball come the playoffs. He needs Maxi to continue

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Speaker 3: I think the Philadelphia fans will probably be looking at

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Speaker 2: No. And now Darryl Moray has got three guys signed

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Speaker 2: he's got to get creative amongst everybody else amongst to

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Speaker 2: And obviously this plan has worked for Darryl Moray and

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Speaker 3: It was the next guy from the twenty eighteen Rockets

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Speaker 1: There was a joke going around Twitter that Darryl Mourray

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be PJ. Tucker because this was

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Speaker 2: and it happened.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the Clippers, because not long after

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Speaker 1: the Clippers replaced him on the wing with Derek Jones

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Speaker 3: I don't really know how to feel about this one.

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Speaker 3: I think for a team that obviously is nervous about

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to be as good as

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Speaker 3: But my guess is that we don't talk about Derek

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Speaker 2: you can't replace Paul George. The guys who are really

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Speaker 2: I hope that he can continue to do that because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Clippers currently project about twelve million dollars below

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Speaker 1: if the Clippers could trade away one of their expiring

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Speaker 1: That's still on the table, but they definitely were making

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was odd because they were

430
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Speaker 2: lining up the playoffs to be Kawhis are number one

431
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: PG Harden and furthermore, and he just wasn't the same guy.

432
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: Now it's the same, it's the same injuries that keep

433
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 2: popping up, and so that's the unfortunate part. But I

434
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe he's seeing someone special in Costa Rica

435
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: with that the new hairstyle he's got going on over there,

436
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: He's he's on vacation, hopefully drinking from a coconut. Yeah,

437
00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: he's drinking coconut. Let me let me say this before

438
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: we move on, because we were talking about Paul George

439
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: leaving in Tobias Harris leaving Philadelphia. Guess where he's gone.

440
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: Guess where he's gone.

441
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I actually haven't seen the news. Pistons. Yeah, two,

442
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: they gotta sign somebody.

443
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they signed it. Speaking of terms and how

444
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: long he's gonna stick around, Trajan Langdon makes this signing

445
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: two years fifty two. All right, all right, that's what

446
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: we're gonna do.

447
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. So he goes that smart to buy

448
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: Terrris back on the Pistons. Okay, amazing, amazing, But two

449
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: years for fifty two billions?

450
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: What you're reporting that one? That's uh, that's far less

451
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: than he's been making because he was making a lot

452
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: with the Philadelphia seventy six ers. But he's made a

453
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Speaker 2: lot of money.

454
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Speaker 1: Let's pivot to the Mavericks because it's sort of we

455
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: got like musical chairs going on here, right. Paul George

456
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: leaves the Clippers, they got Derek Jones Junior. Derek Jones

457
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Speaker 1: Junior leaves the Mavericks, they go and get Naji Marshall. Yeah,

458
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 1: three year, twenty seven million dollar deal. Correct me if

459
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I think TK it was you that had

460
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: Naji Marshall as one of your free agents to watch

461
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: a while ago when we were talking about some under

462
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Speaker 1: the radar guys. So I assume you like this from

463
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: the Maverick side of things here in getting him for

464
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: a little cheaper than obviously Derek Jones Junior, and he's

465
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: slotting sort of in as that wing guy.

466
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

467
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: One million dollars per year.

468
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 1: Cheap ay man.

469
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: I guess they could have had Derek Jones Junior if

470
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Speaker 3: they really wanted, but whatever. Yeah, I was a Nause

471
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: Marshall fan, as are a lot of us Internet nerds,

472
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 3: because you know, he comes in, he plays ten minutes

473
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 3: and three of them are good, so you think, maybe,

474
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Speaker 3: just maybe he can do more in a bigger role.

475
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 3: And as I saw it, Derek Jones Junior playing alongside

476
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: Luka Dancic and Kyrie Irving can be beneficial for your career.

477
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 3: He had his best three point shooting season last year,

478
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: so Dallas has to hope that continues, and it's reasonable

479
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 3: that it could because Derek Jones Junior also had his

480
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: best shooting season last year. You're going to get open

481
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: looks if you're playing with those guys. I am a

482
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 3: little concerned for Dallas that Naji Marshall is maybe not

483
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: the point of attack defender that Derek Jones Junior is,

484
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 3: because I thought that was one of the reasons that

485
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: the Mavericks were able to play so well in the

486
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: Western Conference playoffs is that Derek Jones Junior would take

487
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: the toughest assignments out on the perimeter. Whether that be

488
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards he was, I guess he was like one

489
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: of their Jalen Brown guys, though that didn't go incredibly

490
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 3: well in the finals, but Derek Jones Junior would take

491
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: the number one ball handler for the Mavericks. Defensively, Naji

492
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: Marshall is a good defender, a good team defender. He's

493
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Speaker 3: not as fleet a foot as Dereck Jones Junior is,

494
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: so maybe that's a problem for Dallas, But realistically, I

495
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: think they're going to get about the same production from

496
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 3: Nase as they did from Derek Jones Junior.

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd expect it to be really similar. I think

498
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 2: it is a little bit worrisome because of the defensive end.

499
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: As you just said, although Derek Jones Junior wasn't all

500
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: that reliable shooting the three, it just just faded from

501
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: him in the postseason. And as you said, Naji did

502
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 2: shoot thirty nine percent from three, which was maybe an

503
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: aberration because he's been sort of below average until prior

504
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 2: to then he got hot. That being said, with the MAVs,

505
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: you got a guy who's gonna scrap. This guy is

506
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: definitely a fighter. He is probably the only chat change

507
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: to the MAVs starting lineup. But I'm sure they're hoping

508
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: something evolves, something develops from Josh Green or Kleeba if

509
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: you go big, or Dante X. But this is a

510
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: very similar team that they're going to come back with

511
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: other than the marshal for Derek Jones Junior, So you're

512
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: just hoping for internal growth. Otherwise, Yeah, it is a

513
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: little spooky because Derek Jones Junior was that guy that

514
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 2: you could rely on on the defensive end, but it

515
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 2: did go on the offensive end. And listen, Naji likes

516
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: to to spice it up. You know, Jimmy Butler put

517
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: his hand on Naji Marshall's throat. He wasn't having none

518
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: of that earlier this season. He had to go back

519
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: right at him. Or maybe Naji was the guy put

520
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: the hand on the neck. In the end, he is

521
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: a tough guy, for sure.

522
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: He is a tough guy, which I like that part

523
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: of this, Like the Dallas Mavericks acquiring a guy with

524
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: a bit of an attitude. I don't think that's a

525
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: bad thing. No, he just needs to be able to

526
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: continue to hit the three point shot. And you guys

527
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: said it like he has it for his entire career.

528
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: Then did can he maintain that? Then he's a really

529
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 1: good player on a really good deal. And they may

530
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: not be done. You know, they're still dipping their toes

531
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: in the Klay Thompson rumors here, and we're waiting on

532
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: Clay Now. He's sort of the next big name, and

533
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go get to Rosen, but

534
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: he's another notable name in free agency. But yeah, they

535
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: did well. I think you guys are all saying it

536
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: like to Okay, Derek Joan Junior is going, well, we

537
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: still need some wing defense. Let's go get Naji Marshall

538
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: at a pretty similar cost. Let's try second.

539
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: Necessarily, I don't know if I necessarily agree. I think

540
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 3: that the Maps starting lineup probably will be a little

541
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 3: bit different. Number one, I think Derek Lively I'll start

542
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: for Daniel Gafford going forward. We saw how good Lively

543
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 3: was in the playoffs, but they had found a nice

544
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 3: rhythm with Gafford as the starter Lively off the bench.

545
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: That changes, I think going forward because Lively is the

546
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: center of the future. And then I imagine if they

547
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: get Clay Thompson, which he seems to be going between

548
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 3: Dallas and the Lakers, Clay Thompson will start for that team.

549
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 3: M hm.

550
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: And we do we know if Luca has called Klay Thompson,

551
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: because we know Lebron.

552
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: Has ah they've spoken on the phone, have they?

553
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: That's right? I think Brian Windhorst was saying Lebron called

554
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: Clay right away six oh one. Interesting, Hey man, I can't.

555
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 3: Imagine Luka Doncic making a phone call.

556
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: To either and he's also I assume he's over. Is

557
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: he getting ready for a qualifying tournament right now?

558
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

559
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: International rates? Yeah, terrible, you know connection, No.

560
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if he starts. I know, it's really

561
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: weird to see Clay come off the bench for the

562
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: first time in his career this year in Gold State.

563
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: But are you starting Luca Kyrie and Clay as your

564
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: three perimeter defenders and you're just relying on PJ or

565
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: you know, or Derek White. I mean, that's that's asking

566
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: Derek Derek Lvely. I always called Derek g. Lively Derek White,

567
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: But you know, as your center, I mean, as your

568
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: three perimeter defenders.

569
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

570
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: That's it's it's odd there. That's what Derek Joan Jr.

571
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 2: Was good for. But anyways, I'm sure they're expecting more

572
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: from Josh Green, who did develop a little bit in

573
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 2: the postseason. So yeah, it's all up. It's all up

574
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: in the air.

575
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: Let's talk about another Western Conference team who got a

576
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: little bit better too. There's no doubt about it. The

577
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Thunder kept some of their guys. We'll start with that.

578
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: That we know they've signed Isaiah Joe. Where did you

579
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: come from? Where did you go? Isaiah Joe He's still

580
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: there four years forty eight million, and Aaron Wiggins five

581
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: years forty seven million. They're signed to new deals. This

582
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: news broke first before the big one, and that is

583
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: they still grabbed Isaiah Hartenstein to a three year, eighty

584
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: seven million dollar deal, So Trey, they got there big.

585
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: They keep those other guys obviously to smaller deals, but

586
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: they really like those guys on the wing and shooters.

587
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: But Hartenstein's the big big takeaway here from the Thunder

588
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: upgrading that that big position.

589
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: What do you think this is an insane price for

590
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: Isaiah Hartenstein? Twenty nine million dollars a year for a

591
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: guy who came off the bench. He'll probably never make

592
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: an All Star team. He might not even start for

593
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 3: the Thunder. I assume he will, But is he going

594
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: to close games? I don't think that's a guarantee. It'll

595
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: probably be matchup based. But this is a Thundered team

596
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: that still has so many players on rookie deals that

597
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: they can afford to overpay right now before they have to.

598
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: You know, SHA's already getting paid. But before Jalen Williams

599
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: becomes eligible for an extension, Chet Holmgren and then whoever

600
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: else that on a contract uput. Yeah, I'm not sure

601
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: Dort is long for Okac. I think Caruso may supersede him,

602
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: and that's probably part of the reason why they brought

603
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: him in as well. But that's another guy they'll have

604
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: to pay in Caruso. So good jobs spent the money

605
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: now while you can. Good job for Isaiah Hartenstein getting

606
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: a gigantic bag. He's making what eleven million dollars more

607
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: per season than he could have made to stay with

608
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 3: or to stay with the Knicks and joining Oka. See,

609
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: he's still in the mix contending for championships right in

610
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: the prime of his career. And you know, this was

611
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: a deal that everybody wanted to see happen when you

612
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: looked at the available free agents coming into the summer,

613
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: when you look at the way that the playoffs went down,

614
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: it just seemed like such a nice match Hertenstein and

615
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: the Thunder bringing the passing, the rebounding, the defense, the size,

616
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: the physicality that Okac was clearly missing in the playoffs.

617
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: So I think this is huge getting Hartenstein, But man,

618
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: that is a crazy number for him.

619
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, the playoffs did him right because he's a guy

620
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: that obviously took advantage of Mitchell Robinson getting hurt in

621
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: New York and becoming the starter and then in the

622
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: playoffs was really, really, really good. So he does make

623
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: sense for okay see because they just lack size and

624
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: when they let Giddy go for alscrusso they got even

625
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: a little bit smaller. But Isaiah Hartenstein could start beside

626
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: Chet Holmgren at times or finish beside cheded Homegren at

627
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: times because he plays free throw line in although he's

628
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: a decent mid range floater, dinker, dumper type of guy

629
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: with that that push shot on his right hand, but

630
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: he's different than Chet. So this works extremely well for

631
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: okay See in the end, after just getting draft pick

632
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 2: after draft pick after draft pick and reassembling this team,

633
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: Sam Presty has done it so well. Like Aaron Wiggins

634
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: is going to be one of those contracts. I think

635
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: that it looks like he's worth way more than he's

636
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: actually getting paid. Here this five for forty seven, you know,

637
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: it's it's about nine plus in today's NBA. It feels

638
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: like a little like that crazy lu Dort contract where

639
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: he got was it three years, four and a half million,

640
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: there's literally nothing, and lou Doordo outplayed it. It feels

641
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: like Wiggins will do the same and hopefully Isaiah Joe

642
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: does the same as well. I think I've got a

643
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: little bit more of faith in Aaron Wiggins, but Isaiah

644
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: Show does something different in that he shoots it so

645
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: so well. So they have just a team that's just

646
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: getting deeper and deeper now and it's something that they

647
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 2: were lacking last year.

648
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, my takeaways from this, you guys already sort of

649
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: pointed them out. Perfect, perfect timing for Hartenstein with how

650
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: everything went with the injury to Mitchell Robinson, him taking

651
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: advantage the team like surprising a lot of people in

652
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: the playoffs despite losing guys left and right, and he

653
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: gets a bag here, absolute bag. It's an overpay, but

654
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: it fills a need and I love that. Sam Presty,

655
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: he kept telling everyone, Hey, I don't want to rush anything.

656
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: I want to get our team into the postseason. I

657
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: want to see what we look like, see what our

658
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: limitations are, and then we'll move from there. And that's

659
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: exactly what he's done. After watching you know whatever, how

660
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: many playoff games they played, Oh Giddy's getting played off

661
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: the floor in situations because teams don't treat him as

662
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: a threat to score or shoot all that much. So

663
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: we need to fix that, all right, get a year out.

664
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: Caruso's in defense obviously stays elite, goes up another level probably,

665
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hope that Cruso can obviously hit shots

666
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: a little more confidently. You can't leave him as much.

667
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: Oh we're getting killed in the glass. We're not big enough,

668
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, Chets, We're asking a little too much from him. Okay,

669
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: let's just go get one of the best centers available

670
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: in the market. So he's completely just up helped. He

671
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: saw the limitations and he's like done this here in

672
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: the offseason to the rest of the team, which are

673
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, led by your superstars and you're all star

674
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: level guys, so yeah, they're better. I don't know, you know,

675
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: Trey sort of did the Eastern Conference sort of power rankings.

676
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: Where do the thunder fall in the West? For you,

677
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, what's your one through five Right now? After

678
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: free agency moves, they're.

679
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: Still a top four team in the West at the

680
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: very least. You know, they had the most wins in

681
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: the Western Conference last season. Denver has taken a step

682
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: back losing KCP one of their starters, not to mention

683
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: the additional drain that they've had on their resources the

684
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: past couple of seasons. But they've still got a three

685
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 3: time MVP in Nicola Jokic and Jamal Murray is healthy

686
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: as of now, so they are in the mix. The Mavericks,

687
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 3: we know, they just went to the finals. They're bringing

688
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: essentially the same team back. We'll see what other tinkering

689
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 3: they do, but I think they're there as well. And

690
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 3: then Minnesota is running a back plus Rob Dillingham, So

691
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: I think that's probably the top four right now. And

692
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 3: now that the thunder have gone through the playoff crucible

693
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: and see where they came up short, Jalen Williams has

694
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: figured out that the postseason is different than the regular season.

695
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 3: I think they'll be better in their second go round

696
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: as a team in the playoffs. But I think they've

697
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: got basically a two year window right now with chet

698
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: on his rookie deal, Jadab on his rookie deal, that

699
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: they can really make some stuff happen. Because the Isaiah

700
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: Joe contract, the Aaron Wiggins contract, they're kind of expensive,

701
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 3: I think for both of those guys, but they're such

702
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: long deals that you can tell that these are signed

703
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: to be able to be traded later. We know the

704
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 3: Thunder had so many draft picks, so they can probably

705
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: package either of those deals with a pick sometime in

706
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: the future to bring in veteran help, similar to what

707
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: they did with Gordon Hayward. Clearly that didn't work out,

708
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 3: but maybe the next guy will. So I think the

709
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 3: Thunder definitely a force to be reckoned with.

710
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: I was looking it up because we were talking about

711
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: after Bronnie James got picked by the Lakers, who's the

712
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: greatest fifty fifth pick in NBA history. Aaron Wiggins name

713
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: got mentioned, So he just gets a nice deal here.

714
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, woo, is that the best deal ever for

715
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: the fifty fifth picked guy? No, Patty Mills still has him.

716
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: Beat Patty Mills back in twenty seventeen he re signed

717
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: with the Spurs for like four years fifty million, So

718
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: it's still Patty, but Aaron Wiggins right there, and we'll

719
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: see if Bronnie James can get a contract like this

720
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: in the future. Let's pivot though, to Chris Paul. This

721
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: is one we also called on last night's live Free

722
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: Agency show. We said, Hartenstein, he will be going to

723
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: the Thunder. Obviously, Paul George, we felt pretty confident he

724
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: was going to with the Sixers. And then our guy

725
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: esh Esh said, hey, keep your eye on Chris Paul.

726
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: He'll probably go to the Spurs here and he goes

727
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: for one year eleven million dollars, tasks to go and

728
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: throw some lobs to wem beIN Yama. And obviously, whether

729
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: he starts or comes off the bench, you just have

730
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: the veteran here in Chris Paul, who's what entering your

731
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: twenty to try and get this team like he's done

732
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: in many other spots to another level, at least alongside

733
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: like a potential All star there in Wemenyama.

734
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: Your takeaways, Yeah, I was surprised. I know there was

735
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: some Spurs hype, but I thought he wanted to go win.

736
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: I was wrong. He wants to just go be the

737
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: guy who runs the show. I do assume that he'll

738
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: start because he will just be in there showing Wembnyama

739
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: how to play inside out instead of outside in. Wemby

740
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: did some inside out, but this is just going to

741
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: be a lob time. Plenty of the time you know,

742
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: Chris Paul has done it so many times with a

743
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: Tyson Chandler back in the day. Then you're You're Blake

744
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: and your Deandres, then your DeAndre Ayton, I said to

745
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: your Deandres. So it does work out, Jordan, then Aighton

746
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: you sent bigs up. And then he also helps out

747
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: Stefan Castle big time, just to show him how to

748
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: be a vet and how to run an offense. So

749
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: that's a perfect signing for the San Antonio Spurs. It

750
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: just felt odd. I mean, this whole end of Chris

751
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: Paul's career has sort of felt odd. This is going

752
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: to be probably his last team, I'd assume ending the Spurs.

753
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: Really yeah, he's.

754
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: Trying to play for every Western Conference team.

755
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: It feels like, Yeah, that's the weird part is that

756
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: he started with the New Orleans team and where they

757
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: were called the Hornets, they were called the Okay Season,

758
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: then they went to the Clippers. Then it's Houston, then

759
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: it's Okay See, then it's Phoenix, then it's Golden State,

760
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: then it's the Spurs. Here with his seventh team, it

761
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: is it is something. But he will be spry there

762
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: this season, so who knows. But It's obviously a great,

763
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: great guy to have in your locker room.

764
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: Trey, what do you think upgrade for the Spurs? They

765
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: probably had the worst point guards in the league last year.

766
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: They played Jeremy Sohan at point guard for half the

767
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: season in order to keep their pick nice and low,

768
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: and then they switched to trade Jones and guess what,

769
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: not much better can't shoot. So yeah, getting Chris Paul

770
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: is good. But my main takeaway from this is that

771
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna get a new Wow. Can you remember these

772
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: guys playing together? One season of Chris Paul with the

773
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: San Antonio Spurs. When Victor Webbinyama's career is over, we're

774
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 3: gonna look back and remember, Hey, remember when Chris Paul

775
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: was around that one season? Cool?

776
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Chris Paul has played with a lot

777
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: of good players. Like the list is very, very long

778
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: of like all NBA All Star level players. Web Binyama

779
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: could just be the next name added to that list.

780
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: I love this little wrinkle that I saw from Ziller

781
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: this morning in his newsletter quote. I also think this

782
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: is a dark horse path for Chris Paul to become

783
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: the next head coach of the Spurs, especially if the

784
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: relationship building with Wenby goes well play this season, maybe

785
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: one more retire to join Pop's bench take over the

786
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: main job in a few years. We've heard Chris Paul,

787
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, the idea of what this guy would be

788
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: an incredible head coach if he wants to. So maybe

789
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: maybe there's something there if it goes well with the

790
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: the Wemby or a relationship build between him, because we

791
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: saw what he did for obviously shake Gildos Alexander with

792
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: the Thunder for that very brief time. Sha has talked

793
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: about it like it was instrumental to his growth and

794
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: how he saw the game and obviously becoming a better player,

795
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: So maybe that'll you know, it's a little different because

796
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: he's a guard, so you sort of get that. It's like,

797
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, the he's obviously going to have tips and

798
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: everything for Wemby, but they play completely different positions. One

799
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: seven to four of the others you know, six feet tall.

800
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: But still it's not going to hurt him and it

801
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: might help them chances to win some more games to

802
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: him holding it down for what twenty five to thirty

803
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: minutes a night, whether he starts, comes off the bench,

804
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: just helping these guys. So good stuff there. Wait to

805
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: call that one esh Any other thoughts on Wemby tasks

806
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: getting Chris Paul to throwing those lobs.

807
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell him, Hey, play harder than the Deandres.

808
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: You should be all right, man, you have a great career.

809
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: I just want to add this note we're just talking about,

810
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: just to go back to Isaiah Hartenstein from her man

811
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: Fred Katz. He says Hartenstein is by far the biggest

812
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: free agent signing in Thunder history. Then he threw out

813
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: this name, who was the largest contract that OKAC had

814
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: handed out as a for a free agent? And I

815
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: just said, what who? What this one? Just I just

816
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: had forgotten about this man as a member of Okay, see,

817
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: but this was the biggest contract handed out for free

818
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: agency to an unrestricted free agent. And he guesses, no,

819
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: you can't guess.

820
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 3: No who Jesus Christ tell us no, no, okay, so

821
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: he doesn't sign anybody.

822
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the two Pats Patrick Patterson double past sixteen

823
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: millions over three years. Wow.

824
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: Wow, what year is that?

825
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 2: I'm not sure to be honest, but you know, one

826
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,479
Speaker 2: of those years, one.

827
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: Of the years when they were just handing out contracts

828
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: like crazy, I'm gonna guess what's that? Sixteen three?

829
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

830
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Patrick Patterson? Okay, well yeah, heart and done getting more

831
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,479
Speaker 1: than that. Good for him. This was some fun news

832
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: down in Orlando. Let's finally talk about the Eastern Conference again.

833
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: Kentavious Caldwell Pope tray three years, sixty six million. You

834
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: already said it, man, the Nuggets lose him, it's a

835
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: blow to their team. They really have no like option

836
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: to replace him either. It's like they can't like just

837
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: turn around and use the money they were gonna give

838
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: him to go sign with someone. They're just gonna hope

839
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: Christian Brown can slot in there or Watson whatever. But anyway,

840
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: the Magic get a really good player in KCP here

841
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: on basically twenty two million a year. You think your thoughts.

842
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: I think it's good for the Magic, But I don't

843
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: expect Kentavious Caldwell Pope to make an impact really the

844
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: way he did in Denver just because he was nice

845
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: playing next to Nikola Jokic. They found out a way

846
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: to get him open mid range catch and shoot jumpers,

847
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: and then he would defend the best perimeter option for

848
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: Denver as well. So yeah, I think Orlando's defense is

849
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: gonna be awesome. Between Sugs and KCP, they can guard anybody.

850
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 3: They can force a whole bunch of turnovers. Then they've

851
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: obviously got a ton of size and length in the

852
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: front court as well. Cacp's a guy who doesn't necessarily

853
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: need the ball to be successful on offense because he

854
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 3: plays off a guy so well, which is good because

855
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: Paulo Boncaro will be handling the majority of the possessions

856
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: for Orlando, followed by Franz Wagner. There's just not a

857
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: ton of ball handling responsibilities necessary for a guy like

858
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: KCP there. But I also flashed back to when he

859
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: signed with the Washington Wizards and he kind of just

860
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: got lost in the shuffle there. Didn't talk about him

861
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: until he ended up back playing for a competitive team

862
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 3: in Denver. But I think this is good for the

863
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 3: Magic to be able to get a guy who can

864
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: help them with their veteranship, can help them with their shooting,

865
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: and fits the ethos of playing both sides of the ball.

866
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, outstanding three point shooter forty one and a half

867
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: percent over two seas Denver, several years shooting you know,

868
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent from deep before that, so we know

869
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: he can knock it down. Obviously, a great defender tasks

870
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: guarding both guys, point guard, shooting guards. He's good on

871
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: that end. He's really like a He's like a rich

872
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: Man's Gary Harris. He's just like a much better Gary Harris.

873
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: He's bigger, he's a better shooter. He's proven winner. I

874
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: like this move for Orlando because we had debated, like, oh,

875
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: they opened up that room for Paul George, should they

876
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: sort of go all in for a guy a bit older? Well,

877
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: that screw up the Powell and Fronds sort of development.

878
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: You don't need to worry about that. Like, he slots in,

879
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: there's a role for him, and they're a good team

880
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: and they should they should get better. Franz can hit

881
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: a three lookout. If Powell continues to improve his play,

882
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna be They're gonna be one of the better

883
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: teams in the Eastern Conference. So I don't think there's

884
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a drop off. So I like this move,

885
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: But what do you think, Yeah.

886
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: There won't be a drop off. I think the rise

887
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: will be up to the growth of Franz, Paolo and Suggs.

888
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 2: Because yes, Casey will start beside those three guys plus

889
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: whatever center they throw in there. It's on the magic

890
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 2: supporting team to see how much they grow. They definitely

891
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: will not drop off with KCP, although the money gets

892
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: higher and higher throughout this contract. But the Nugs apparently

893
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: we're offering the same. It doesn't really seem to make

894
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: sense because why wouldn't he just stayed there if they

895
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: were offering the same. But I guess the Nuggets have

896
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: faith in Christian Brown evolving and maybe taking KCP start

897
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: the starting spot. But yes, the chemistry is a question

898
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: for the Denver Nuggets. But yeah, the MAVs, excuse me,

899
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: not the mess the magic. You got to be excited

900
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: for this team's future and hope that the other guys

901
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: grow around KCP and he's just a natural fit at

902
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: the starting shooting guard spot.

903
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Nuggets GM Calvin booth Tray. He seemed to

904
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: be preparing fans for this possibility of KCP leaving. He says,

905
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: I think we'll be okay if KCP doesn't return, And

906
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: it's like trying to talk up this that yeah, Christian

907
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: Brown can slot in there again. We said we said

908
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: it on last night's show, like Kelvin booth Man. This

909
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: guy loves to spin it for his cheap ownership there

910
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: in Denver, but he's gone KCP And yeah, I guess

911
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: we saw those reports that they said, hey, we offered

912
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: them basically the same amount of money, you just didn't

913
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: want to stay here.

914
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: Do you buy that?

915
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 3: Well, I buy that it's basically the same amount, and

916
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: that means that it's not the same amount, you know,

917
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 3: like we offered him something similar, which to me means

918
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 3: you didn't beat it right. It means it came in less.

919
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: That's why he's on the Magic now. And I think

920
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: that's kind of a bummer for the Nuggets and for

921
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: Nuggets fans that they've got a guy who's at worst

922
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: the second best player in the league in Nicola Jokic.

923
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: Three MVPs the past four years just took you to

924
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 3: a championship, and you've lost three of the top seven

925
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: players from that championship team, mostly because you're not paying up.

926
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: That's the big takeaway from this deal. Cool for the Magic,

927
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: but this is disappointing from the Nuggets and it basically

928
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: he has become Calvin Booth's job to go out there

929
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: and spin why they keep losing contributing role players.

930
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, I do want to see how how

931
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: Franz and Paolo and Suggs evolved, because to me, this

932
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: isn't making them any better, and it is a team

933
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: that doesn't just bring in free agents. So they need

934
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: a guard who can score. And Casey Bs played around

935
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: guys really, really well, but that's what they were lacking

936
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 2: last year and they still don't have that. They still

937
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: don't have a guy that can create for himself. I'm

938
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: sure they're going to move on from Markel Fultz and

939
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: hope that Anthony Black becomes something, but they're still lacking

940
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: in a guard who can create for himself.

941
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: This signing was a bit of a surprise, at least

942
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: to me. Yonis Allan Chunis intends to sign a three year,

943
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: thirty million dollar deal with the Wizards. The Washington Wizards

944
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: getting JV. Your package is going to be delivered, Trey

945
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: Kirby in Washington at least, were you as surprised as

946
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: I was with this one? Florida came out of.

947
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: Nowhere, Phil, Yeah, it came out of nowhere because when

948
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: we signed off last night, we were talking about the

949
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 3: idea of Lebron James taking a fifty percent pay cut

950
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 3: so the Lakers could sign Yonas Valentiunis. But then skeets

951
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: I remembered Troy Weaver works for the Washington Wizards.

952
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: Now, yep, they drafted a big guy.

953
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: In Alex Sar. They gave Rashaun Holmes a two year deal,

954
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: and now they're signing Yonas Valenciunas to a three year,

955
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: thirty million dollar deal. This guy can't stop getting big men.

956
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 3: This is weird for the Wizards. This is super weird.

957
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 3: They don't need JV. Basically, the only reason they're getting

958
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: him is because I'm sure Alex Sar is one of

959
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 3: those big guys who doesn't want to be a five.

960
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 3: He probably doesn't want to deal with all the banging,

961
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: similar to Zach Collins starting as a center next to

962
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: Victor wembin Yama to save his body. Guess what, Alex Sar,

963
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 3: You're going to be a center in the future. I

964
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: personally would go forward with him as the big guy.

965
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: Be terrible, but you can understand why Washington won't want

966
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 3: to do this. JB is a good vet. He plays

967
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 3: a lot of games, he plays a lot of minutes.

968
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 3: He is a tough guy. He knows the ways of

969
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: the the NBA and he is not going to make

970
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 3: an impact on their win total anyways.

971
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: Yes, for a guy that seems to be just born

972
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: a little too late for his optimal skill set, careers

973
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: lasted long. This is going to be fifteen years now

974
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: at the end of this deal. When I thought when

975
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 2: he was drafted by the Toronto Raptors and Kemba Walker

976
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: went next, I thought they should have drafted Kemba Walker.

977
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: They should have Now looking back, still feel that way.

978
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: But in the end, you knows is a great professional,

979
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: and he'll help Alexar be that professional, and they, you know,

980
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: just want to help him get through the days, and

981
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: so he'll do that. Ever Shawn Holmes, because it's a

982
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: bad team. It is a bad team. And this this

983
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: all leads to what is going to go on with

984
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: Kyle Kuzma. Are they going to deal him? Because they're

985
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: just getting bigger and bigger and bigger, And you got

986
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: to play alex Aar at four or Kuzma should be playing.

987
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: I guess I'll play a little three. But Rashwan Holmes

988
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: is just there like he's been declining the last couple

989
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: of years. So oh yeah, this is still it's still

990
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 2: a puzzle to me what this team is going to become.

991
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: Because after they trade Danny Abdya and they did get younger,

992
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: I think Kuzma could be next. Sure feels that way anyway.

993
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also think Valachunis will only be there until

994
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: the trade deadline or maybe it's a year, and then

995
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: he goes up the next trade deadline. This is I

996
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: think the thinking here helps our a little bit, maybe

997
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: increase his trade value and then gets some draft compensation

998
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: for JP's Obviously Gv's not obviously part of their long

999
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: term plans or anything like that, but he could be moved.

1000
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: I saw like smart people that obviously know sort of

1001
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of this collective bargain agreement. They

1002
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: said as soon as the trade deadline there could be

1003
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: more over the cap team interested in adding Valentunists by

1004
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: sending out equivalent salary, but if they made that move

1005
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: now by way of a sign and trade, they'd be

1006
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: hard capped at the lower luxury tax apron. So this

1007
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: could be. This could be a guy that they move,

1008
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: is what we're getting out here, and maybe they'll get

1009
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: something back for him in terms of draft capital, but

1010
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: maybe not. Maybe he'll he just like is there to

1011
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: play the five, Like he said, gobble up rebounds. He's

1012
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: still pretty good. You know at times can be played

1013
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: off the floor, but depending on the matchup. But throughout

1014
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: the regular season, I mean, you're you can. He's pretty

1015
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: consistent at putting up some double doubles. So, yes, the

1016
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: Wizards get JV. Your Bulls got a big guy to train.

1017
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: And this one was thrown around last night on the

1018
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: live stream, Jalen Smith and his goggles going to Chicago

1019
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: three years, twenty seven million. Your takeaways as our noted

1020
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: Bulls fan on Jalen Smith going to Chicago, New Horace Grant.

1021
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: Just dropped, Yeah, this is a solid roll of the

1022
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 3: dice for the Bulls. Jalen Smith hasn't really done much

1023
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 3: in his career. He's the kind of that when your

1024
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: team signs him, they put the per thirty six numbers

1025
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: in the tweet rather than the per game numbers because

1026
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 3: they're not gonna wow you. But he rebounds, he can

1027
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: shoot threes. He's tall, not necessarily a rim protector, but

1028
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: with Andre Drummond going to the seventy six ers, the

1029
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: Bulls need a backup center. A lot of people would

1030
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 3: like Jalen Smith to be the starting center with Vucevic

1031
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 3: going somewhere else. We'll see if the Bulls are able

1032
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: to make a move. But they're a team that just

1033
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: needs to take some swings on finding random talent, and

1034
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: maybe Jalen Smith ends up being something. At the very least,

1035
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 3: he's more athletic than anybody else the Balls are bringing

1036
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: off the bench.

1037
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun for Bulls fans to be watching

1038
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 2: Jalen Smith do some ducks. The guy is extremely athletic,

1039
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: and he didn't have a great season shooting the three

1040
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: of forty two percent with the Indiana Pacers, who are

1041
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: so good at moving that basketball. So I'm sure those

1042
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: those threes were open a lot of the time. But yeah,

1043
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: Carlisle only used him sparingly in the postseason. They decided

1044
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: to go with a different direction because, yeah, jump smiths

1045
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: a little lacking in some some regards. But I think

1046
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 2: this is for the fans watched this man dunk a

1047
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: little bit.

1048
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: You know, all my friends were going crazy that Jalous

1049
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: signed to the Bulls. These guys I was.

1050
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: I was pissed off when the Raptors didn't get Jalen

1051
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: Smith at least thrown into the Sacam deal, so hey,

1052
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: good for you to get them. Hey did Wendell Carter

1053
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: Junior wear the goggles when he was on the Bulls

1054
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: or no? Did that only happened in Orlando? I couldn't remember.

1055
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 3: He switched when he went to Orlando who was also

1056
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 3: on the Orlando Magic you know, right right right right, yeah, yeah, Horus, Okay, well.

1057
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 2: Took him off afterwards. I think he's gone, he's gone

1058
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 2: goggless now, Wendell, I thought, so, they're not goggles, they're

1059
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: you know, they're actually glasses.

1060
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: There are glasses or don't was uh when did he

1061
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: lose the lens and Lebron picked it up? Was that him? Yeah?

1062
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: There you go. Somethybe that'll happen to Jillen Smith in

1063
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: one of those pops out. But Jalen Smith going to

1064
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: the Bulls. Other deals smaller. We have Plumbly going to

1065
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Speaker 1: the Suns, Kevin Porter juniors back in the league. He's

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00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: going to the Clippers on a two year deal, and

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00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: that's sort of it unless anything else has come through

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00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: the streams of woes and chums. I don't know. If

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Speaker 1: you guys have any thoughts on any of these other

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00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: smaller deals that we've got over the last what fifteen

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Speaker 1: hours or so.

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00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: I have some ideas or some thoughts on plumb Lee

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00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: signing with the Phoenix Suns. Okay, the fact, yes, he's

1074
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 2: taking Drew you Banks minutes. He'll be their backup center.

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00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: He was great with the Clippers. He was a great teammate.

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Speaker 2: But what are these Phoenix Suns? What are they? I

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00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 2: am a little bit perplexed at what this team is becoming.

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00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: They're basically running the same team back, because this is

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Speaker 2: what they ran in the playoffs. They rant obviously Durant,

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00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: Booker and Beale. Eric Gordon was playing a ton in

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00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: the playoffs, and then it was Nurkic, Royce O'Neill who's

1082
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: coming back. He was playing twenty six minutes a game.

1083
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 2: And then it was Grayson Allen and now Plumbly he's

1084
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 2: going to be that eighth guy. That's that's your eight.

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00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Eric Gordon is out. I mean, this team is just

1086
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 2: getting thinner, and obviously they're just running back the same

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00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: team with Durant and Bill being a year older. I mean,

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00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: they've got to be looking for somebody else. But this

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00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: team is it's thin and it's old, and they're just

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Speaker 2: gonna hope that boonhole Bodenholzer uses their stars a little

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Speaker 2: bit more, which was lacking in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: So we've never got any reps together during the regular season.

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00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: That's the first step. Play play together, be healthy, all

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Speaker 1: at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Because the excuse getting swept. I mean, they played like

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Speaker 2: twenty eight games together, didn't they not.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was yeah, well it's not a lot.

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00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they shouldn't get spanked like they did. But

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Speaker 2: even now they're not even as good as they were

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Speaker 2: last year in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like surprised. You keep saying that. You're like

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Speaker 1: you're you're almost like perplexed they have the same team,

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Speaker 1: Like what were they to do? I mean they when

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00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: they made the bill move, like they're basically locked into

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00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: this outside of trading one of the big names. But

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Speaker 1: they didn't play together, so they have that excuse. Well,

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Speaker 1: if we have a full healthy season, now we got

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Speaker 1: a new coach, we already ever heard of that excuse,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna give this one more year at the

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Speaker 1: very least. Right before then, you maybe trade one of

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Speaker 1: your star guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have to not even just trade one

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00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: of their star guys. They can just trade somebody else.

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00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: They were a they were a poor defensive team. I

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00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: mean they're average. I shouldn't say they're poor. They're an

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00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: average defensive team. Where's that two coming from on the

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00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: defensive end? If you're running out Durant Booker, bial Now

1118
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Speaker 2: Nurkic and Grayson Allen. I mean, they need a different

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00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: type of perimeter defense. And they tried with Royce O'Neil.

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Speaker 2: He played twenty six per minute, twenty six minutes a

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Speaker 2: game in the playoffs. It didn't come. It didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: So I just don't think that, yeah, they might out

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Speaker 2: shoot somebody, but I don't think that this team really

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Speaker 2: has the the pizzaz As, the Gusto. They don't have

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Speaker 2: that shoes. It ain't gonna happen. It doesn't feel like

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Speaker 2: with this current roster.

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Speaker 3: Skeets is right. Though the Sons made their move by

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Speaker 3: bringing in Mike Budenholzer, there's basically no other moves to make.

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Speaker 3: Like you say, you want to see trades, but like

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Speaker 3: who Nurkic, Like who's interested in trading for Nurkic, Grayson Allen.

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Speaker 3: He was their best signing outside of the Big Three

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00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 3: last year. It's gonna have to be Those three have

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00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: incredible playoff performances and shoot the ball really well. A

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Speaker 3: lot of people picked them to beat them to beat

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Speaker 3: the Timberwolves in the first round because they played them

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00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: well during the regular season. It's just such a high risk,

1137
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: high reward team that they need to shoot like the

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00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 3: Big Three ses go for probably twenty five a game

1139
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 3: a piece and shoot over fifty percent for them to

1140
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: win in the playoffs. But the Suns don't really have

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Speaker 3: any other moves. I think they'll be better this regular season.

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00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 3: Mike Budenholzer is a good regular season coach the Suns,

1143
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 3: the Hawks or sorry, the Bucks and the Hawks both

1144
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: won sixty plus games with him as their guy, So

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00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: we'll see how it comes play off time.

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

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00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 3: I think they'll be a little bit better this regular season.

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00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: We'll see who's left though in free agency, guys who

1149
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: are the big names. Obviously Lebron James were waiting on

1150
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: him to sign his deal with the Lakers, but he

1151
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: seems to be waiting on what the rest of the

1152
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: roster is going to look like he's called Klay Thompson.

1153
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: He's a big name. We do not know where Clay

1154
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: is going to land. Is it the Mavericks, is it

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00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: the what team was I just talking about? Oh my god, Lakers,

1156
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: the Lakers? Thank you?

1157
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1158
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: Too many team names we've been saying. Or is there

1159
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: another team that could swoop in and grab him? DeRozan

1160
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: were waiting on. I guess Tobias Harris is off the board.

1161
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: But then you get into your Tys Jones and your

1162
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: Buddy Heels and maybe you're Gary Trent Juniors and Caleb

1163
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: Martin's and stuff like that. Anyone else I'm missing their

1164
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: task when it comes to free agency, have your eye

1165
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: on here.

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: I think he named them all.

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00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about it. I mean, there's of course more guys,

1168
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: but no one really like huge, huge names Trey anyone

1169
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: else said, or you want to make a prediction here

1170
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: with Clay or even your Bulls are still a team.

1171
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: Everybody's got their eyes on. With the Droze factor, the

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00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: Zach Lavine possible trade factor, what do you think?

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00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: It seems to me DeRozan, Levine, and Klay Thompson are

1174
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: probably all linked to each other. With Clay's decision is

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: likely the catalyst for all of this happening. Does he

1176
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: choose to go to the Mavericks, does he choose to

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00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: go to the Lakers? And then how do those teams respond?

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00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 3: I think that Derozen is more likely to end up

1179
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 3: on a team like the Lakers than he would be

1180
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: for the Mavericks. They need La needs a creator more

1181
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 3: so than Dallas needs a creator. So I assume we

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00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: will hear about Clay Thompson in the next twenty four

1183
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: hours and then probably in the next twelve hours after that,

1184
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 3: the Bulls.

1185
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: Goes Yeah, there are guys out there that I'm wondering

1186
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 2: if anybody will take a chance on, Like, does Gordon

1187
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 2: Hayward come back for another year for somebody? I am

1188
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: interested to see where Mark L. Fultz ends up. He

1189
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: is still young, but I doubt he comes back with Orlando,

1190
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: And then there's there's guards out there. Would Kyle Lowry

1191
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: come back for a year and the Tias Jones won

1192
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: where he can actually help somebody's bench, It's got to

1193
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: happen him and Montelis as well, Monty Morris, not the

1194
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: Ellis Monte Morris on somebody's bench. That's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Before we go, we did learn that the Pistons and

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00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham are discussing a five year, two hundred and

1197
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: twenty six million dollar maximum rookie extension that would be

1198
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: the richest in contractor excuse me, franchise history. James Edwards,

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Speaker 1: the third of the Athletic, reports that the deal is

1200
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: not finalized, could take time to iron out here the details,

1201
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: but both sides are pretty optimistic. This is going to

1202
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: get done here in the near future. So Kate Cunningham

1203
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: going to get that max rookie extension. This is not

1204
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: a surprise and not like you know they weren't going

1205
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: to do this. It's just depending on how much it's

1206
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: going to actually be. But new coaching there in JB.

1207
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: Bickerstepf Tobias Harris back in the mix, and you know

1208
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: they are banking on kid still being a cornerstone, still

1209
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: being a franchise guy. You got to get more talent

1210
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: around him and hopefully he can start to deliver some wins.

1211
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: But he did average twenty three seven and a half

1212
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: four and a half boards per game last year, up

1213
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: to his field goal percentage, up to his three point percentage,

1214
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: a little bit on decent volume, so obviously getting better.

1215
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: But it's it's a gamble, of course that most of

1216
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: these teams usually make Trey if we're being honest with

1217
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: these high picks that showed some some successorarly at least

1218
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: in terms of stats, but maybe not wins. Yeah.

1219
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 3: I mean he's scoring twenty a game and getting five

1220
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 3: assists a night. That's good enough as a number one

1221
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: pick to get a five year max contract. Like we

1222
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 3: just did the top fifteen number one picks of the

1223
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 3: last fifteen years. I would imagine Anthony Bennett is the

1224
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 3: only guy who didn't get a five year max after

1225
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 3: his thing, right, So smart of the Pistons to do.

1226
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 3: They can't let kid walk, right. So No, I don't

1227
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 3: know what they're negotiating about here. Maybe total dollar numbers.

1228
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: Maybe he comes in barely under the max. But my

1229
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 3: guess is he gets the full everything all in.

1230
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how many.

1231
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 3: No.

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01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 2: I think the Bicker staff will love Cad Cunningham. I

1233
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: think he's going to be He should be a good player.

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01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: He did have you know, sometimes missed in his second season,

1235
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 2: but to go from what he was in the second season,

1236
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: the percentages as you said there skeets. He's yeah, an

1237
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: actual average three point shooting guard in his third year,

1238
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: which was surprising. Definitely evolved, but it was off the

1239
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: second season where he only played twelve games because he

1240
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: was hurt and you had to average the twenty two

1241
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: and seven and a half assists. Yeah, he's He's just

1242
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 2: part of a bad team and a bad organization, which

1243
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: I would assume changes with JB. Bicker Staff after what

1244
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: he did with the Cleveland Cavaliers. So well, you shall

1245
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: see they are a young team though plenty questions.

1246
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: Kate got a little better as the season went on

1247
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: at cutting out the turnovers a bit. I know it

1248
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: got it was to begin and got a little bit better.

1249
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: So he needs to grow on that in terms of

1250
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: running an offense and stuff like that. But anyway, he'll

1251
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: be getting the back as that number one pick and

1252
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: one of the Pistons building blocks. Okay, let's call it there.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody for joining us live here

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Hit the like button, subscribe, hit the notification

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Speaker 1: bell so you know when we go live next, because

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01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: the next one could be some sort of emergency podcast,

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01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: possibly depending on what Klay Thompson does, whether there's a

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Speaker 1: King's trade for Kuzma or something, whether the Bulls trade

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Speaker 1: zach Lavine. It's a bit of a wait and see here. Now.

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01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: Most of the big names, as we just went over,

1261
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: have intended to sign either with their teams, going back

1262
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: to their squads, or obviously making some moves in the

1263
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 1: case of Paul George to Philly and Hartenstein to ok See,

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01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: and Derek Jones Junior to the Clippers, and Najie Marshall

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01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: to the MAVs, Chris Paul to the Spurs, KCP to

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01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: the Magic JV to the Wizards. What So, we've had

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01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: some stuff here since last night's live stream, which was

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01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Podcast listeners leave us a five

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01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: star rating and review and again we'll be back when

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: the news calls for it. Otherwise, Happy Canada Day to

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Speaker 1: all of you guys out there. Happy Birthday to my

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Speaker 1: wife as well. We celebrate both of those here in

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Speaker 1: this household and we will see you when we see

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Speaker 1: you next. Till then, Clipper bros.

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Speaker 3: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up,

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Speaker 3: love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. And remember the big name out there,

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Speaker 2: it's James Wiseman. It's not the big name, but but

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Speaker 2: it is interesting. He's a big guy because he is

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Speaker 2: rather large, and I do see somebody in the stream

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Speaker 2: team saying I love him with Washington if it happens

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Speaker 2: to help out sar Man. James Wiseman, you went through

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Speaker 2: those the number ones that got their second contract. James Wiseman,

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Speaker 2: he is the number two. When's he gonna get his?

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Speaker 3: Didn't he sign a deal with the Pistons slas Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he did.

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Speaker 1: Hey and Troy Weaver, Troy Weaver down. Get the band

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Speaker 1: back together? All right, we're calling it there. Embrace the

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Speaker 1: eight people.