Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 1: Dan Nets Dan Patrick Show check him with Charles Barkley.
Speaker 1: I don't know if his opinion has changed from November
Speaker 1: twenty fifth when we talked about the possibility of James
Speaker 1: Harden being successful if traded to the Nets. I think,
Speaker 1: to quote Charles Barkley, hell no. So we'll talk to Charles.
Speaker 1: Joining us here in a moment eight seven seven three
Speaker 1: d P show email ADDRESSDP at Dan Patrick dot com,
Speaker 1: Twitter handle a DPS show. The other big news aside
Speaker 1: from Harden changing teams going to Brooklyn is Urban Meyer
Speaker 1: is said to become the next head coach of the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars. He's one of three coaches in college football
Speaker 1: history to win at least eighty five percent of his
Speaker 1: games Newt Rockney. Newt Rockney won eighty eight percent of
Speaker 1: his games at Notre Dame, Frank Leahey won eighty six
Speaker 1: percent of his games at Boston College in Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: and then Urban Meyer. He's been at four schools. He's
Speaker 1: won eighty five percent of his games. Nick Saban In
Speaker 1: case you're wondering seventy nine percent of his games, Dabo
Speaker 1: Sweeney eighty percent of his games. Three coaches have won
Speaker 1: both a college national championship and a Super Bowl, Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 1: Barry Switzer, and Pete Carroll. You can give Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: a lot of credit for the Barry Switzer Super Bowl
Speaker 1: that he won in Dallas, because Barry came in and
Speaker 1: took over for Jimmy when Jimmy left, and then Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: So Urban Meyer, the question is what kind of GM
Speaker 1: are you going to hire? And he's going to need
Speaker 1: that experienced GM, not that he wouldn't hire an experienced him,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna need somebody who knows the landscape here,
Speaker 1: who's done this before. And I started to look at
Speaker 1: the roster with Jacksonville. They've got some playmakers there. You know,
Speaker 1: I think Robinson was a find at running back. McLevin.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say? He's great? And I still have not
Speaker 1: quite sure where he came from us? He an Illinois
Speaker 1: state guy. Yeah. Yeah, they've got a couple of wide
Speaker 1: receivers uh Lavishka DJ Chark. Yeah, but they've got them.
Speaker 1: Don't they have Alan? Don't they have the pass Rusher,
Speaker 1: but they want one game. I know. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it's not just Trevor Lawrence that he does have some
Speaker 1: people there. Now they got rid of Jalen Ramsey and
Speaker 1: Yannick and Goquay, but they have a lot of cap
Speaker 1: room there. I'm just curious what Urban is walking into.
Speaker 1: It's not just hey, you're gonna have Trevor Lawrence and
Speaker 1: that's it. Are you gonna have any anybody else here?
Speaker 1: And and it looks like they will, don't They have Robinson?
Speaker 1: Cam Robinson? Is that the uh yeah, the tackle? So
Speaker 1: you got your your left tackle there? So I don't know,
Speaker 1: just take an inventory here in mclubin don't yell at me.
Speaker 1: We had a conversation on this side of the glass.
Speaker 1: What is it Urban Meyer quarterback? Because he seemed to
Speaker 1: do really well when he had a Tebow or Braxon
Speaker 1: Miller or JT. Barrett And I know he had Alex Smith,
Speaker 1: but he didn't like really have like traditional NFL quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: I mean, he had a few, but generally he did
Speaker 1: well with the underdog a guy. I think Trevor is
Speaker 1: a run pass option guy. Now that doesn't fit in
Speaker 1: with JT. Barrett, but it's more than Dwayne Haskins, or
Speaker 1: it's closer Alex Smith for example. Yeah, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: see that. But you've got James Robinson, you got DJ Clark,
Speaker 1: who else Cam Robinson, Josh Allen and Edge Rusher. So
Speaker 1: you at least have something there, mclove and that's it.
Speaker 1: Don't give me the scrunchy phase. Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just those players. If you're a casual
Speaker 1: out of Alfad, is there a single player there you've heard, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've heard of Josh Allen, but you think he's a
Speaker 1: quarterback in Buffalo. Well yeah, but I'm not here to say, boy,
Speaker 1: you should know who these players are. If you don't
Speaker 1: know who these players are, then you probably will know
Speaker 1: who these players are. They they played, Well, it's just
Speaker 1: nobody watched Jacksonville like those players did stand out as
Speaker 1: being respectful NFL players who could develop into something. Did
Speaker 1: Jets have a few of them too? Right? The other
Speaker 1: bad team, the Kaybeckton team to be exciting if they
Speaker 1: don't have the number one pick? Does Urban Meyer take
Speaker 1: this job? That's what I hope somebody asked later today
Speaker 1: when they introduced Urban Meyer. Just say Urban how important
Speaker 1: was having the number one overall pick better. Yet, I
Speaker 1: would say, would you have taken this job, coach if
Speaker 1: you didn't have the number one overall pick. He's going
Speaker 1: to dodge it, but that's what I would do. And
Speaker 1: it's a close ended question where it's either yes or no.
Speaker 1: He's going to say yes and then he'll expound upon that.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you take that job if you
Speaker 1: don't have the number one overall pick. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I think Trevor Lawrence is the reason why urban Meyer
Speaker 1: has taken this job. Now there's other things that go
Speaker 1: with it. He's going to make ten million a year,
Speaker 1: you know. I was saying the roster and they got
Speaker 1: some pieces there not as much pressure. There's there's less
Speaker 1: media coverage in Jacksonville than there was at Ohio State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: speak loving byway side topic that might enter Charles two.
Speaker 1: I'm meeting three articles a day saying nobody wants to
Speaker 1: fill up the Eagles job because it's a bad spot
Speaker 1: to be right now, you know, saying that that's a
Speaker 1: job that coaches should not want. I've been telling you
Speaker 1: the last couple of days. I know, and I think
Speaker 1: people are listening to you and borrowing your ideas. Let
Speaker 1: they bring in Charles Sparkling TNT inside the NBA analyst.
Speaker 1: And last time I talked to you about this topic
Speaker 1: with James Harden that was November twenty fifth, and you
Speaker 1: didn't think it could work. Change your opinion, not at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna work. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be I thought they bought him in because they wasn't
Speaker 1: sure what was going to happen with Kyrie. It bought
Speaker 1: him in after the insurance policy. And now I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fascinating watching those three guys played together,
Speaker 1: if they all played together. I mean, we have no
Speaker 1: idea what's going on with Kyrie. But no, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's gonna work at all because those other guys
Speaker 1: don't bring in a diversity to the table. Those other
Speaker 1: two guys, they are offensive players. They don't play defense,
Speaker 1: they don't rebound, so there's only one basketball. I think
Speaker 1: it's got zero chances are working. But you all show
Speaker 1: and you know this where it feels like Katie could
Speaker 1: get thirty on sixteen shots. You know he would find
Speaker 1: a way get to the line and he can be economical.
Speaker 1: The other guys are volume shooters, certainly harden Is, and
Speaker 1: then I just wonder what kind of offense do you
Speaker 1: run when you have three outphits like that. Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's why I don't think it's gonna work. I
Speaker 1: think it's really gonna be like they just gonna take turns,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that's gonna work because, like I say,
Speaker 1: other than Katie, the other two guys, they're not gonna
Speaker 1: like when Katie went to Golden State, he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll play defense, I'll rebound the ball. I don't see
Speaker 1: Kyrie and James doing that. I think when Katy got
Speaker 1: the ball, they're just gonna be standing around. And so
Speaker 1: I don't think I can say, listen, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna work at all. It's gonna be fun watching
Speaker 1: because how once in how James and Kyrie handled the
Speaker 1: New York media, to me is gonna be like the
Speaker 1: most fascinating part of this whole thing. But if if
Speaker 1: we know this, the nets have to know this, then
Speaker 1: how is this going to work? So what are they
Speaker 1: thinking that? Why is this going to work? In their minds?
Speaker 1: And we have, you know, a big question mark attached
Speaker 1: to it well, because I think it's what Katy wanted
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, Kady wanted Kyrie. Now I think
Speaker 1: he realized it now, like, yeah, this is not going
Speaker 1: to work. I better bring James in here as an
Speaker 1: insurance policy. That's what I think happened. But clearly Kady
Speaker 1: is running the organization, so I think this was about
Speaker 1: what he wanted. What do you think Steve Nash is
Speaker 1: thinking today, I'm gonna get to blame this team. Don't work,
Speaker 1: They're gonna kill me, like you know. And I really
Speaker 1: think they put Steve in a really awkward position because
Speaker 1: Steve Nash is a help obviously, was a great player,
Speaker 1: and he's a great guy. But you got you got
Speaker 1: one guy comes out and says, hey, we don't need
Speaker 1: a coach, and now you bring in James, who clearly
Speaker 1: shows up when he wants to. So I think it
Speaker 1: really puts Steve between the rocket a hard place. I mean,
Speaker 1: because listen, if they have to get rid of somebody,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Steve Nash, but it's not gonna be James,
Speaker 1: James or k D. But you think I think Kyrie
Speaker 1: is a wild card and this whole thing, to be honest,
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, that's what I was gonna bring up.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they're ready to move on from Kyrie?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know what everybody's kind of casual about
Speaker 1: where Kyrie is and what he's doing. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he wants to play, and he doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: he's really that interested in coming back anytime soon. Well,
Speaker 1: I think this is the reason they made the trade.
Speaker 1: I think the Nets have last faith in Kyrie the like,
Speaker 1: and I absolutely I think Kevin has law like no,
Speaker 1: I better bring James in here, because listen, even without Kyrie,
Speaker 1: James and Kad together it's pretty formidable. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: gonna be just as good with the without Kyrie. So
Speaker 1: I think Katie's like, yo, man, I can't trust this dude.
Speaker 1: He shows up when he wants to. He's gonna do
Speaker 1: his own thing. I've got to bring James in. Hey, Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: let's be something something straight. This is probably the greatest
Speaker 1: insurance policy we ever see in the NBA. How do
Speaker 1: you feel if you're Ben Simmons today, Well, I think
Speaker 1: he can relax now and realize that the Sixers this
Speaker 1: is his team and Joel's team. We got no idea
Speaker 1: who the best team in the Eastern Conference is. And
Speaker 1: he's got to see being and Joel got to come
Speaker 1: to the understanding that hey, you know what, we ran
Speaker 1: our other coach out of town. He took he took
Speaker 1: the sword sword for us. Now we got Doc. It's
Speaker 1: time for us to start doing our job. We're in
Speaker 1: our prime right now. So I think him and Joel
Speaker 1: got to take a look in the mirror and said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we let him blame Brett Brown, whether it was true
Speaker 1: or not. We let them blame him. But now we
Speaker 1: got Doc, We've got to get our stuff together. You
Speaker 1: think Lebron and eight are concerned about what the Nets
Speaker 1: just did, No, I mean they're still the best duo. Listen,
Speaker 1: there's nobody right now. If you get any fool of
Speaker 1: jackass on your show today, we're all guessing about the Nets.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody gonna get on here and tell you they
Speaker 1: are the NBA favors right now. If they do that,
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about basketball. I mean, we got
Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you, Dan, I said this,
Speaker 1: when you said this a few months ago. I would
Speaker 1: love to be a fly on the wall because I
Speaker 1: pray that they got James hardened, because I want to
Speaker 1: see this social experiment and it's gonna be fun, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be fascinating, and it's a New York City. Do
Speaker 1: you think the commissioner likes this deal? No, I think
Speaker 1: that he don't. First of all, Adam's amazing, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he wants players running the league because because
Speaker 1: because listen, let's get one thing. The commissioner all words
Speaker 1: the works for the owners. So I don't think. I mean,
Speaker 1: and there's only like three or four players who have
Speaker 1: this type of power. But what they don't understand is
Speaker 1: when you lose your superstars, you ruin franchises that used
Speaker 1: to be a great you know, people say, well, some
Speaker 1: of the teams won the championship. Yeah, but there were
Speaker 1: still great players in other cities. And now we're making
Speaker 1: so many cities irrelevance. And listen, let's I know one thing.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait for the collective bargaining agreement. When these
Speaker 1: owners slap these boys back. It's gonna be very fascinating
Speaker 1: because everybody's like, well, the players got all this power, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't have all that money. And the four
Speaker 1: or five players who agreed they're gonna get all that.
Speaker 1: They gonna get all their money, but these guys underneath,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be hurt in a few years. What do
Speaker 1: you think Lebron would be worth if there was new
Speaker 1: salary camp. Well, I've always thought that was a stupid argument.
Speaker 1: And everybody's making money. Listen, if we just gonna pay
Speaker 1: the superstars, we'd only be paying like three, three or
Speaker 1: four players, and everybody has been making a million dollars.
Speaker 1: Let's say, hypothetically, Lebron with work six to seventy million,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna pay everybody else at least now we
Speaker 1: got think about it, there's three guys on the nets
Speaker 1: gonna be making forty million dollars, and probably only one
Speaker 1: on the dessert to be making forty million dollars. And
Speaker 1: think about it, there's a bunch of guys only the
Speaker 1: Lakers who make six to ten to fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: They only got to pay a d and Lebron. So
Speaker 1: I hear guys talk about if there was no salary cap,
Speaker 1: the salary cap work for the other players, not the
Speaker 1: great players. And let's do act like the great players
Speaker 1: aren't getting composated James Harden makes forty one million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. He's good. Same thing with Katie and Kyrie,
Speaker 1: they both make forty million a year. But if we
Speaker 1: just gonna pay Listen, Anthony Davis, Lebron, K, d Steph,
Speaker 1: those guys to probably deserve to be paid whatever they
Speaker 1: can be paid, but then we wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: pay anybody else because you're not gonna You're not gonna
Speaker 1: pay all the other guys thirty forty million dollar. You
Speaker 1: only need those stars. John Wall makes forty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. That's my point, Dan, And John Wall is
Speaker 1: a good player. John Wall was a good player. I
Speaker 1: don't want to disparage it me. He's a good player.
Speaker 1: But I hate these guys and I get on they
Speaker 1: get on TV and said, well, if we had the
Speaker 1: free market, well we can pay Lebron. But wait, okay,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna pay Lebron one hundred million, everybody else
Speaker 1: on the team gonna make a million. What's the most
Speaker 1: you ever made in your career? Five million dollars? It
Speaker 1: felt pretty rich, didn't you? You know, Dan, I never
Speaker 1: hate on these young guys for making money because I
Speaker 1: made more money than Doctor Jay and Will Chamberlain and
Speaker 1: they were and Bill Russell and they were clearly much
Speaker 1: much better players than me. But hey, it's a it's a.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. I wish all these guys
Speaker 1: great success, and I hope they saved their money. That's
Speaker 1: the most important thing. But you can't ever worry about
Speaker 1: because because of inflation every generation. Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what's gonna be interesting when the COVID tax become due,
Speaker 1: because not just in basketball, there's gonna be ramifications in
Speaker 1: every sport because the COVID thing is real. And I
Speaker 1: think in the next three or four years that COVID
Speaker 1: tax is gonna come due, and it's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: what you said earlier. They are like, hey, you're the
Speaker 1: guys are bombs. I'm gonna pay Lebron, I'm gonna pay
Speaker 1: a d the restue guys gonna take the minimum. And
Speaker 1: I think not just in basketball, though, I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen like that in every sport because these owners,
Speaker 1: they didn't buy these teams to lose money. Happy New Year,
Speaker 1: Good to see your Hey, Dan, it's good to see
Speaker 1: you guys. Man. I hope everybody's safe and healthy. This
Speaker 1: COVID thing. Man, that's been crazy, and you look good.
Speaker 1: You look I'm getting in shape, Dan, I promise. That's
Speaker 1: my new year's resolution, to get my fat. But I'm
Speaker 1: tired of being fat. It doesn't look good, it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel good. So that's my new year's resolution. I'm listening.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of wearing all black clothes. I want to
Speaker 1: work some. I want to wear some ladder colors this year.
Speaker 1: That's my goal. I want to go up my other close.
Speaker 1: It's not all black. What do you weigh now? Three thirty?
Speaker 1: What's the most wade? Three fifty? What's shack way? Oh
Speaker 1: he'd be if you get on the scale, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be saying. It's gonna say one person at a time.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's shack shack four spins is what does
Speaker 1: he weigh? Four hundred? Oh yeah, hell yeah, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: hell yeah. But you know what to think about it?
Speaker 1: That ain't fat. He's just the biggest human being I've
Speaker 1: ever been around in my life. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: you've been around that fact. Ain't never gonna be fat.
Speaker 1: He just just he just humongous. How did you compete
Speaker 1: with that? You're six to four and a half or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you competed with that man. It just listen and
Speaker 1: Kevin mkall, H'm said as many times he was saying
Speaker 1: that the first time he saw Shaq, he was standing
Speaker 1: beside Robert Parris. He says, yeah, it's about time for
Speaker 1: us to fifth in to get out of the KEIVI
Speaker 1: mcail tells that story all the time. He said, the
Speaker 1: first time he saw Shakill him person, he says, he
Speaker 1: was Robert Parris's chief. It's time for us to get
Speaker 1: him look for another profession because these kids are too
Speaker 1: big now. But you see Steve Nash be an MVP
Speaker 1: with his size. It's Steph Curry like, that's what's amazing
Speaker 1: to us when we see this and see how big
Speaker 1: guys are fast, strong. Yeah but yeah, but listen, I
Speaker 1: didn't play against Will Chamberlin. But other than should Kill
Speaker 1: and I guess Will Chamberlin, those were the only two
Speaker 1: guys who were bigger, stronger than everybody else. I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: I played against guys who were seven feet tall, but
Speaker 1: they didn't have should Kill's athletic ability and things like that.
Speaker 1: You know, Mark Eden was a hell of a player.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to think of my Tombo. But
Speaker 1: those guys you the best, like night and day. When
Speaker 1: you talk about athletic ability, Mark Eden was a hell
Speaker 1: of a shot. Blockers sold them Tombo. But if those
Speaker 1: guys were to get in a foot race or jump
Speaker 1: in contest with Shack, it would be a no brainer.
Speaker 1: I mean that guy. That guy was the most dominating,
Speaker 1: physically imposing guy ever played against the scene in my life.
Speaker 1: But like I said, when you played against another seven foot,
Speaker 1: like when I played against mcale who was seven feet
Speaker 1: or Parish, those guys were big, but they had they
Speaker 1: didn't have the most amazing athletic ability. You know. Just
Speaker 1: to see Shock out there. I remember when he was
Speaker 1: in Orlando and he's like leading the fast break, you know,
Speaker 1: he just he's so desperately wanted to be a point
Speaker 1: guard at times and just be out there and running
Speaker 1: running the three on two break. Oh dude, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you to be to be that big and that fast,
Speaker 1: it is just crazy, Dad, I mean it really was. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's great to talk to you so always. Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us and we hope to see you soon. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's Charles bart TNT inside the NBA analyst got too
Speaker 1: many black clothes there. The Shack line is that's that's
Speaker 1: a great line on one person at a time. Here
Speaker 1: there are like Sean Bradley with seven six, so you
Speaker 1: notice the height, but he weighed two twenty five. Mark
Speaker 1: Eaton was Yeo, ming is is right. There is the
Speaker 1: biggest guy I've ever seen. But Shack is just different.
Speaker 1: There's just nothing, and you're not prepared for it because
Speaker 1: you go, boy, Shack is big. And then when you
Speaker 1: if you see the Grand Canyon and you see pictures
Speaker 1: and then you go to the Grand Canyon, that's like Shack.
Speaker 1: Where you go, man, Grand Canyon is big, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you go, oh wow, the Grand
Speaker 1: Canyon is big. And then you see Shack see him
Speaker 1: on TV, Man, he's big, and then you see him
Speaker 1: in person, you go, no, he's really big, all right.
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Speaker 1: this is the start of what's our offense going to
Speaker 1: look like if Ben doesn't come back and you have
Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator. So we'll take a break here
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Speaker 1: fifty seven. All right, we'll get some more phone calls
Speaker 1: coming up. That line from Barkley about Shack is that
Speaker 1: is great. That is quintessential Barkley there where I say
Speaker 1: to you know, how does Shackway four hundred pounds? He go,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, wait four? And then if he got on
Speaker 1: the scale and'd be like, hey, only one one per
Speaker 1: person here, the fact that if shat gout on there,
Speaker 1: and what the scale would say back to him. He's
Speaker 1: Nick Wright, the co host, but in his mind he's
Speaker 1: basically the host of First Things First on Fox Sports
Speaker 1: one and the former Houston sports radio host Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: apologist and maybe James Harden apologist and wanted to check
Speaker 1: in with Nick Right who joins us now, Good morning, Nick.
Speaker 1: What on earth does Patrick Mahomes ever have to apologize
Speaker 1: for not thinking everyone feel bad because he's too good? Like?
Speaker 1: What I don't understand? Oh? I know you got Kansas
Speaker 1: City beating who in the Super Bowl? Green Bay. It's
Speaker 1: very chalky. It'll be the Hey question for you, Okay,
Speaker 1: Would Rogers Mahomes be the greatest quarterback matchup in the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Lever? We've had Montana Elway, we had Branshaw
Speaker 1: stallback a couple times, we had Breeze Manning. Would this
Speaker 1: go to the top of that list? What say you? Dan? Patrick?
Speaker 1: Is the matchup this weekend in New Orleans better? Than
Speaker 1: that matchup, even though it's not in the Super Bowl. Historically,
Speaker 1: Breeze and Brady, well, that's very interesting if they were
Speaker 1: both at their apex. Yes, but the Breeze and Brady, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you would have the greatest ever and then Breeze,
Speaker 1: who is somewhere from five to nine. So yes, I
Speaker 1: would say so, but because Brady and listen, Brady the
Speaker 1: last five weeks has made me look like a total moron.
Speaker 1: So he's been very, very good, but obviously he's not
Speaker 1: as great as he once was, and I don't think
Speaker 1: Breeze as close to as great as he once was.
Speaker 1: It seems like Rogers somehow has reclaimed his peak and
Speaker 1: Mahomes just keeps ascending and ascending. So I just think
Speaker 1: it's kind of where they're at on the mountaintop, so
Speaker 1: to speak. The most pressure on which player this weekn
Speaker 1: we're going into the those left in the postseason, the
Speaker 1: most pressure is on which player. I do think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on Mahomes because they are the
Speaker 1: huge or a double digit favored against the Browns, and
Speaker 1: so I think a law would be somewhat of an
Speaker 1: indictment on the way they played at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, I think that they put it in cruise
Speaker 1: control once they essentially locked up the one seed. So
Speaker 1: aside from Mahomes, I think there is massive pressure on
Speaker 1: Rogers because I understand the Rams have the number one defense.
Speaker 1: I get it, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's in Lambeau and it's either Goff or Wolford you're
Speaker 1: up against like and so if they lose that game,
Speaker 1: when he is going to be the league MVP, when
Speaker 1: they're a touchdown favorite in Lambo, it's gonna be twenty
Speaker 1: five degrees, I think that's a tough one for him.
Speaker 1: I think Brady and Breese are both kind of free rolling,
Speaker 1: and I think Lamar and Josh Allen are somewhat free
Speaker 1: rolling because they both got their first playoff win last week.
Speaker 1: They both played really well last week, and they're young
Speaker 1: enough that I don't think anyone's gonna kill the loser
Speaker 1: of that game. Yeah, I'd probably go Rogers because I
Speaker 1: think we're looking at the bigger picture of what one
Speaker 1: more super Bowl would mean, and Mahomes has time. Breeze
Speaker 1: and Brady, you know, they're kind of if they win
Speaker 1: one grade, but they're emeritus right now. I just think
Speaker 1: with Rogers, all of a sudden you move up the ladder.
Speaker 1: I think in people's minds when you add that second.
Speaker 1: Peyton got his second, but he didn't earn that second.
Speaker 1: This is one of those where Rogers then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, Farves only got one. So I
Speaker 1: would say, well, let me ask you this. Okay, if
Speaker 1: Rogers wins it. If someone says Aaron Rodgers is now
Speaker 1: unquestionably this is so corny sports radio with God, I
Speaker 1: love it. Unquestionably quarterback Mount Rushmore that he's minted there.
Speaker 1: So Brady is locked in. I would argue Montana's locked in,
Speaker 1: and I would argue Peyton Manning's locked in. I'm not
Speaker 1: counting Red Grange and the guys who I don't know
Speaker 1: actually existed outside of Peter King's memory, like I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like the Mots last fifty years. Okay, at fourth
Speaker 1: spot's open, does Rogers slam that door shut? If you
Speaker 1: get it? What if Breeze gets his second? Well that's
Speaker 1: the other thing. He could say, No, it's mine. I
Speaker 1: have the second most everything to Brady statistically, and now
Speaker 1: I have two rings. So because the thing for Rogers
Speaker 1: and Breeze. It's not just they both only have one ring,
Speaker 1: they also only have one appearance. So Peyton, I understand
Speaker 1: the second ring. It was defense pushed. But he got
Speaker 1: the Broncos to the Super Bowl the year he through
Speaker 1: fifty five touchdowns, right like that was all him getting there.
Speaker 1: And he got a Saint or a Colts team to
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl where he was the driving force that
Speaker 1: when they didn't win it. So I feel like it's
Speaker 1: for what hurt Rodgers and Breese. Isn't just the one ring,
Speaker 1: it's also the one appearance. You know this, Dan, I'm
Speaker 1: a Lebron James fan, so I think getting to the
Speaker 1: championship is a massive accomplishment that must be respected, not denigrated,
Speaker 1: even if you don't win it. And I brought up
Speaker 1: Lebron and I brought up you know when we get
Speaker 1: three great talents together. I think Chris Bosh is as
Speaker 1: important with the Miami Heat success as Lebron and Wade are.
Speaker 1: To this degree, he under stood his role in every
Speaker 1: single night. He didn't cause any problems. I'll be a
Speaker 1: spot up three. You want me to play defense, rebund,
Speaker 1: I'll do all those things. Kevin love with what he
Speaker 1: did in Cleveland. He understood his role is that that
Speaker 1: third man in has a really difficult siting what the
Speaker 1: Celtics did it. Gray knew exactly what his role was there.
Speaker 1: And so like with the here's the problem for the Nets.
Speaker 1: Let's just go through their big Let's assume Kyrie comes back. Okay,
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant can't be the third guy. He's the second
Speaker 1: best player in the whole league. He has to be
Speaker 1: the leading actor. Yep, Kyrie is the third best guy.
Speaker 1: But what his skill set is is not at all
Speaker 1: what the third best what you're he isn't. His whole
Speaker 1: utility as a basketball player is scoring is amazing, ball handling,
Speaker 1: getting to the basket. He's not a great passer, and
Speaker 1: he's a bad defender. So the only guy whose game
Speaker 1: is suited to it, and the only guy who's ever
Speaker 1: done it, is Harder Harden. The only finals he ever made,
Speaker 1: he was the third best guy. He has led the
Speaker 1: league and assists. He can be a great distributor. Now
Speaker 1: James Harden has claimed the only thing he cares about
Speaker 1: to winning a championship. Houston been over backwards to do
Speaker 1: everything for him. He torched it on his way out
Speaker 1: in pursuit of a championship. If that's true, if all
Speaker 1: he cares about as a championship, then he is the
Speaker 1: guy that says, I'm going to go from being the
Speaker 1: greatest scorer of my generation and one of the greatest
Speaker 1: scorers ever to twenty two points per game. I don't
Speaker 1: know that he's going to do that, but he's the
Speaker 1: only one who can do it, like Kyrie can't do
Speaker 1: that or else. He's just not Like I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to disrespect him, but his skill set is so specific
Speaker 1: to having the ball in his hands and scoring. Harden's
Speaker 1: the only guy who can do it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he will. Even if he does, that team is
Speaker 1: going to be horrifyingly bad defensible that teams and I
Speaker 1: don't think gonna be good enough Dan. If Kyrie is
Speaker 1: being a good soldier and they didn't lose Denwitty, do
Speaker 1: the Nets need to make this deal. I don't think
Speaker 1: they needed to make it, But I do think that
Speaker 1: there is a fear of the Lakers that looms over
Speaker 1: the whole league, and I think it's like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: we don't have a big three, our big two is
Speaker 1: not better than their big two. Like Lebron's better than everybody,
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis is objectively far better than Kyrie. So
Speaker 1: even if we have death, the Lakers added death, the
Speaker 1: Lakers have cohesion. So instead they're going in on a
Speaker 1: third star and it is I do get it. Lebron's
Speaker 1: the only teams that are beating Lebron post MAVs have
Speaker 1: had three or four Hall of Famers on them, So
Speaker 1: I understand the philosophy, but I just think that if
Speaker 1: you're going to have to get through Joel Embiide Jannis
Speaker 1: and then Anthony Davis and Lebron having do you know
Speaker 1: the backup center for the Nets is it's Jeff Green?
Speaker 1: Do you have the backup power forward for the Nets
Speaker 1: is it's Jeff Green's identical twin brother, also named Jeff Green,
Speaker 1: and the starter is DeAndre Jordan. To have no front
Speaker 1: court rim protection, to me is a big problem, and
Speaker 1: I just don't think I get why they did it.
Speaker 1: I think it's a big risk. Though Lebron's got there's
Speaker 1: a lot of upside for Lebron if he would happen
Speaker 1: to beat a team that had all three on it,
Speaker 1: you know just how we would look at White. He'd
Speaker 1: beat you know that that talented team. Well, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean Lebron's first ring came against the
Speaker 1: team with three you know, future league MVPs and Harden,
Speaker 1: Russ and Katie. His next ring came against a team
Speaker 1: with four future Hall of Famers and a two time
Speaker 1: finals MVPN. People like, Oh, Tim Duncan wasn't good that year.
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan was first team All NBA that year in
Speaker 1: Tony Parker was the second team, and his third ring
Speaker 1: came against seventy three win team, and his fourth ring
Speaker 1: came against you know, in the bubble and the pandemic
Speaker 1: with no home games. So yeah, the fifth ring against
Speaker 1: this team. I mean, at this point, it's all like
Speaker 1: Lebron much like Brady competing with ghosts. They only they're
Speaker 1: really competing with each other for the title of greatest
Speaker 1: team sport athlete ever because they both clearly announced themselves
Speaker 1: the greatest player in their respective sports. But yeah, it'd
Speaker 1: be nice. But I wonder about this, Nick, you bring
Speaker 1: up Brady, and I see parallels with Brady and Lebron
Speaker 1: because they got there and they did lose when they
Speaker 1: got there, whereas if Montana had six super Bowl rings,
Speaker 1: just like you know, Mike has six NBA titles and
Speaker 1: no losses. Would we have a different argument if Montana
Speaker 1: had six Super Bowls no losses as opposed to Brady
Speaker 1: with six Super Bowls and three losses. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we would. And I think that is an indictment on
Speaker 1: the collective intelligence of the country. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1: I've never ever understood this idea that, you know what,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan getting bounced early and therefore keeping a pristine
Speaker 1: finals resume is better than Lebron James at twenty two,
Speaker 1: scoring forty eight against Detroit, carrying a team there and
Speaker 1: then losing like his last year in Cleveland. Jeff Green
Speaker 1: second mentioned for Jeff Green. Jeff Green was the second
Speaker 1: best player on that cav Sea once Kevin Love went out,
Speaker 1: they made the finals. The idea that we used that
Speaker 1: against him, I've never understood, but a lot of people do.
Speaker 1: I we wouldn't do it if there were the Olympics. Olympics,
Speaker 1: we don't say, well, one guy has four goals and
Speaker 1: the other guy has four goals and two silvers. We're
Speaker 1: not like, well, those silver medals really hurt you every Like, No,
Speaker 1: that's pretty good. That's impressive. We like silver medals. They're
Speaker 1: not as good as golds, but they're better than no medals.
Speaker 1: And I'm there with you. I you know, the fact
Speaker 1: that you get to play in a championship game as
Speaker 1: opposed to not getting in a championship game. He just
Speaker 1: means you lost earlier. It's not like you didn't lose.
Speaker 1: That's the part that drives me nuts. You did lose.
Speaker 1: People the stuff, And I'm not here to you know,
Speaker 1: bash Michael Jordan. He's definitely at least the third best
Speaker 1: basketball player. But I did they act like he played
Speaker 1: six years. He didn't. He's played six years. And by
Speaker 1: the way, they do this weird memory whole thing where
Speaker 1: an iconic moment is the double nickel in the Garden.
Speaker 1: But that's a season I'm told didn't happen because he
Speaker 1: lost there, Like the Bulls never lost. They did. I
Speaker 1: watched it. They lost to a team that then lost
Speaker 1: in the finals. But okay, whatever, what do I know
Speaker 1: you You went up a couple of octaves there. I
Speaker 1: think Mariah Carey is pretty impressive when she does it.
Speaker 1: That was sort of a Mariah Carey ish going up
Speaker 1: a couple octaves there. Yeah, you're you're you're kind of
Speaker 1: pressed in my buttons. Here. Do you notice though, something
Speaker 1: that's going on in the NBA, Dan, it's an odd
Speaker 1: little thing. There's a migration eastward. The king goes west,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, mothers like, oh, I want
Speaker 1: to make the finalist. Guy, I love Miami's looking good.
Speaker 1: The Rockets play the Lakers in the in the second
Speaker 1: round and Russ is like, get me out of here.
Speaker 1: All those spartans picking out of you're all going. So
Speaker 1: everyone's like, a I'd like to make a finals before
Speaker 1: I retire, and the Kauhi is the one guy who's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going west too, and it's like, okay, well goodbye,
Speaker 1: to see you later. So it's just a very interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm with you though, but I'm with you
Speaker 1: on the lebron bandwagon. I am. I'm with you on it.
Speaker 1: It's smart. It's the only reason I come on the show.
Speaker 1: And you you're starting to look more a little bit
Speaker 1: more like Alan Rickman from die Hard. Alan is that
Speaker 1: the villain? Yeah, Hans Gruber, Yeah, okay, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to even to do with that's a compliment. How's
Speaker 1: that a compliment because he's a great actor or a
Speaker 1: handsome man actor. That doesn't mean he's Okay, it's a
Speaker 1: great actor. That's awesome. You're gonna be if you if
Speaker 1: I were like, hey, Dan, you know what you're looking
Speaker 1: like John Gazzale, you're not gonna be. I can't be like, hey,
Speaker 1: he won an oscar. It's Did anyone ever call him
Speaker 1: a great looking man? Probably not, So that's not nice.
Speaker 1: Alan Rickman is a handsome guy, and he wasn't a terrorist.
Speaker 1: His his character was Okay, why are you on fire?
Speaker 1: You're like sensitive? Here? What's going on? I'm not sensitive?
Speaker 1: I just thought, okay, who do you want me to
Speaker 1: say you look like? Who have you been told you
Speaker 1: look like? Oh? Here, what a bad guy you are? Answer?
Speaker 1: Because you guys, Your guys are gonna put up the video.
Speaker 1: There's all right. There's a soccer player named Frank Reebery
Speaker 1: who people say I look like. But if you put
Speaker 1: up the picture of him, he has a facial scar
Speaker 1: from like a car accident. I don't even have a
Speaker 1: facial scaring people like you look like him? I get that,
Speaker 1: I get early stage Tom Green. None of these things
Speaker 1: are who story. I'll tell you real quick, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure we're late. I was going to the bodega buy
Speaker 1: my house to buy a black a mile and some
Speaker 1: guys were hanging out outside and I hear him talking
Speaker 1: like as I walk in, They're like, dude, that's the guy.
Speaker 1: That's the guy. That's the guy from TV. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: they wants the show. I get my black a mile
Speaker 1: to come out. I'm like, what's up, fellas, and they're like,
Speaker 1: do the thing. I'm like, the thing they wanted me
Speaker 1: to do? A Tom Green bit. I thought I was
Speaker 1: Tom Green at least at least they sort of recognized you. No,
Speaker 1: they thought I was a funny looking different guy with
Speaker 1: a high pitched voice. Okay, all right, now we're really
Speaker 1: all I'm so late. I gotta go here. We come
Speaker 1: up against a break, you know how this works, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here anymore. That's Nick, right,
Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy. Good to talk to you. Nick Wright,
Speaker 1: the co host of First Things First on Fox Sports One.
Speaker 1: We'll take a break here, last call for phone calls,
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Speaker 1: store tomorrow? This day in sports history. Let's get to
Speaker 1: Richard in New Mexico's been holding for a while. Richard,
Speaker 1: thanks for holding. What's on your mind today? Hey? Dan
Speaker 1: six two eighty five out of Oklahoma State. On the
Speaker 1: serial thing. Captain Crunch always makes the roof of my
Speaker 1: mouth raw. That's why I haven't had it in a decade. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can relate to that. Yeah, I was thinking. The
Speaker 1: original manufactured super team was probably the seventy six seventy
Speaker 1: seven Philadelphia squad when they brought in Doctor Jay and
Speaker 1: Caldwell Jones and Henry Bibby, and you know, they already
Speaker 1: had a good team. People forget how much of a
Speaker 1: superstar George McGinnis was and Doug Collins was a twenty
Speaker 1: point a game scorer, and they and Philadelphia looked great.
Speaker 1: They were a really fun team to watch with Daryl
Speaker 1: Dawkins and Jellybean on there. But then and they people
Speaker 1: also forget they went up to zero in the finals
Speaker 1: and thought, okay, here it is. They bought their team.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I got to watch one of
Speaker 1: those games as a fourteen year old with then future
Speaker 1: NFL head coach Lovey Smith. But yeah, you go back
Speaker 1: to that seventy six or team went up two oh
Speaker 1: on the Blazers and Bill Walton, and then they came
Speaker 1: back and won fourth straight. And they had a lot
Speaker 1: of talent on that team, World b Free, Doug Collins,
Speaker 1: Darryl Dawkins, doctor j George McGinnis, had a lot of talent,
Speaker 1: maybe too much talent, believe it or not. West in Michigan, Hey, West,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Yeah? I just got something quick
Speaker 1: about urban Meyer. When he's assembling his staff, there's only
Speaker 1: one guy. I'm not sure if he can coach quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but he's from the Jacksonville area, and that is Tim Tebow.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so we're bringing in Tim Tebow gonna help
Speaker 1: urban Meyer down there? Yeah? Point maybe like strength and
Speaker 1: conditioning coach. I don't know about it. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be helping Trevor Lawrence I wouldn't think, but
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe Urban wants to bring into Japlin
Speaker 1: get Famous halftime halftime so he could do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm all for that. Is it? Timtmo silla Met? I
Speaker 1: actually don't Is he still pursuing that? I think so dream.
Speaker 1: I think he has a minor league roster spot right now.
Speaker 1: Derek in Virginia, Hi, Derek, Hey Dan, guys, thanks for
Speaker 1: taking my call. Um love the interview with Sir Charles
Speaker 1: Um and just about the comment on all comer put
Speaker 1: him about the size of shaft. I only saw him
Speaker 1: one time in person at an LSU football game. I
Speaker 1: was in the second row in the end zone and
Speaker 1: he was literally eye level with everybody in a row.
Speaker 1: He's just so massive and his terms the funniest professional
Speaker 1: athlete that you can interview. Thanks to my call, all right,
Speaker 1: thank you, Derek Patrick. Shut this the same sports history, Paulie,
Speaker 1: Do I have time? I do? Briefly, nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe and Joe Demajer were married. It lasted only
Speaker 1: nine months. This day, in coincidence soul death history, the
Speaker 1: great actor Alan Rickman, who played Hans Gruber and Diehard,
Speaker 1: passed away five years ago today in London. What are
Speaker 1: the odds of me saying to Nick Wright, you look
Speaker 1: like Alan Rickman and we get to give him a trap?
Speaker 1: Tu be a great actor, Alan Rickman. That's even more
Speaker 1: offendsive since he passed away five years ago, so he
Speaker 1: would be looking great these days, so he should be offended.
Speaker 1: Oh well, shoot the glass, Todd would you learn with
Speaker 1: today's program? Charles Barkley says, when Shaquie O'Neil gets on
Speaker 1: the scale, it says one at a time. Please mclovin
Speaker 1: our last caller, watch the seventy seven finals with Lovey Smith.
Speaker 1: Just as we expected, Seaton O'Connor. Charles Barkley, New Year's resolution? Guy?
Speaker 1: Is he that coming now? Paulie the chuck Wagon doesn't
Speaker 1: want to all wear all black clothes anymore? What had
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