1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: Happy Independence Day. We gotta do what our founders did, 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 2: show the world nation of dignity, honor, and just devotion 5 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: to one another. 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: This is now. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: I really mean it, folks. It's all about democracy, it's 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: all about freedom. 9 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: It's all about who we are. 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: We're the United States of America, and nothing like it 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: exists in the world. 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Happy Fourth of July. Enjoy the fireworks. God love you all. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: I really mean that line. I didn't just read off 14 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: the teleprompter. And notice how I didn't repeat this particular 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: time the pause for effect line or something like that. 16 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 3: That guy he's getting ready to quote unquote rally in Madison, Wisconsin. 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: Taking a look at the setup right now, and it's interesting. 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 3: I don't know how big this venue is that they 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: are setting up in, but. 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: It doesn't look that big. 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: The venue does not look now look that. And Madison 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: is certainly an opportunity rich environment for any Democrat president, 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 3: so we shall see. I mean, it's turned into like 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: mystery science theater presidency, hasn't it. It's where it's just like, hey, 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: you have no idea what we're going to get, but it's 26 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: probably going to be entertaining, Yeah, provided that you don't 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: think about the consequences of the leader of the free 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: world looking as he does on the world stage when 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: you have people like Chijing Ping and the Mullas and 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: little recked man in Vladimir Putin. Because the one thing 31 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: that is always important to remember is that, well, China 32 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: isn't just China. China is Russia, China is North Korea 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: with little Rocket Man, it is the Mullahs in Iran, 34 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: It's Cuba, it's Nica, it's Venezuela. You got all the 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: bad actors that work together and that take a look 36 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: what goes on with our weakness. And I do think, 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: no matter what, we're in for a real test between 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: now and January twentieth because the opportunity, given the weakness 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: on the world stage, I do think that is a 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 3: real headwind for us. And you know, to that end, 41 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: all kidding aside, I do root for at least competence. 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 3: You know, we do need Joe Biden to be at 43 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: least minimally competent so we aren't in World War three 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: by January twentieth. I mean, these things are actually important, 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: albeit sadly entertaining in ways, So we'll wait and see 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 3: what happens with the I rally in Wisconsin. And then 47 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: the interview, the All Importance Tefanopolis interview where George Stefanopolis 48 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: after fifty years of a political career and being the 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: incumbent President of the United States, where George Stefanopolis is 50 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: going to decide whether or not Joe Biden gets a 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: continuous president of the United States and his campaign. I mean, 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: it's a fascinating world do we live in right now? 53 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: Of course, that Stephanopolis interview eight o'clock tonight gets your 54 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: popcorn ready. 55 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: Brian Muddy and for Clay and Buck. 56 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 3: I'm the host of the Brian mud Show, hugged out 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 3: of my home station w j and O in West 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 3: Palm Beach. You can check out the Brian mud Show 59 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: podcast wherever you get your podcasts at Brian Mudd Radio. Socially, 60 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: pleasure being here with you and to this extended holiday 61 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: weekend for so many and one of the things to 62 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 3: take a look at as we are just four months now, 63 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: four months away from election day, is really making America 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: great again? You know, I came into this year really 65 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: optimistic because there finally was light at the end of 66 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: this tunnel. It has been a rough few years. We've 67 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: all lived at we all know it. But coming into 68 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: this year, it's like, Okay, this is the time to 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: do something about it. 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: And then not just to win an election. 71 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: I was talking about this the onset of the show, 72 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: the importance of not just winning elections anymore, but really 73 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 3: transforming hearts and minds, because if we win elections but 74 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: all we're doing is hitting the pause button on crazy 75 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: things will just get worse, you know, four years from now, 76 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: for example, even if we win this year. So we've 77 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: got to do more than just win elections. We have 78 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: to have a true political transformation, and you got to 79 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: start with younger voters. And this has presented the opportunity. 80 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: So we really are at a true crossroads as we're 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: celebrating this Independence Day weekend. What kind of country are 82 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: we going to be going forward? I have never been 83 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 3: this person, not up to this point in my career. 84 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: Next month, I'll be in my twenty seventh year doing this, 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: and I've never been the type to go, this is 86 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: the most important election of our lives. Everybody always seems 87 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 3: to say that, and this time, it's actually true. This time, 88 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: it is actually true. This one is that important. It's 89 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: not recency bias. If we don't get this election right, 90 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 3: you take a look at what's happening on the world stage, 91 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 3: the weakness that we have in this country, our southern border, 92 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: and how this country is being transformed from outside but 93 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: now within, from the outside, the lack of American exceptionalism. 94 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: If this is allowed to continue to fester, the country 95 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 3: that you know, we knew, the country that was great. 96 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, hard to see how that story ends. 97 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: Well at this point, you know, it's every world superpower 98 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: has always fallen right, and it's always easy to take 99 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: a look back historically and go, oh, well, well that 100 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: was kind of dumb with them to do that. How 101 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: do you think a lot of the decisions that we've 102 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: been making over these past few years. 103 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: Look, we know how stupid they are right now. 104 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: We don't need a historical perspective one hundred, two hundred, 105 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: five hundred years from now to go, wow, you know 106 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 3: those Americans that probably was pretty stupid. We get it 107 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 3: right now. So it's time to do something about this. 108 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: So on a more optimistic notice, and we head down 109 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 3: the home stretch of this campaign against whomever the Democrats 110 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: nominee will be. You think about the opportunity right now 111 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: to transform this country in a positive way. The first 112 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,799 Speaker 3: thing is you have to have people that are reachable, 113 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 3: and we are seeing historically people that are becoming reachable 114 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: because they realize that they were lied to by Biden 115 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: and by Democrats, that their policies have failed them. You know, 116 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: if you take a look at Gallup, they're the oldest polster, 117 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 3: and they've been pulling on presidential approval going back to 118 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: the fifties and they have every month had approval polling 119 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: that they put out since Eisenhower was president, and entering 120 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: this year, go back to January, Joe Biden had the 121 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 3: lowest approval rating according to Gallup entering an election year 122 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: they've ever sampled. It was at thirty nine percent in January. Well, 123 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: in Gallup's most recent survey that stands at thirty eight percent, which, 124 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: by the way, I even if you take a look 125 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: at the real Clear Politics average, that's basically at thirty 126 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: eight percent right now too, so pretty much everything's lining 127 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: up that way. Thirty eight percent approval, so to put 128 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 3: that in perspective, it is three points lower than Donald 129 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: Trump's approval rating was on this eight four years ago, 130 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: in the middle of a one hundred year pandemic, three 131 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: points worse than that. What also is instructive here, it 132 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: is eight points lower than any incumbent president who went 133 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: on to win reelection. The lowest prior approval rating on 134 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,239 Speaker 3: this state for somebody went on to win. Obama's forty 135 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: six percent. So you start taking a look at this 136 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: and how much distance there even is for him to 137 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: project well towards winning. There's a reason why, beyond just 138 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: the whole wow, looks like the dog can't hunt situation 139 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: that goes on mentally with the president. Why you already 140 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: had some panic that had been setting in on the left, 141 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: and you start thinking about the opportunity you know, Jimmy Carter. 142 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: There are so many comparisons between Biden and Carter. Obviously, 143 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: Biden has been the worst president our country has had 144 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: since Jimmy Carter, and in many respects much worse than 145 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: Carter at this point. 146 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: But those are the comparisons. 147 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: Everything from the historical inflation rate to economic failures, you 148 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: name it. You look at how bad of a president 149 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: Captain Pino was. That was my affectionate name for Jimmy 150 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: Cary and Peanut Farmer always referred to him as Captain Pena. 151 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 3: So you take a look at him and where we 152 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 3: were entering the eighties, and then you take a look 153 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: at us getting Ronald Reagan on the other side, somebody 154 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: who was exceptional, somebody led with policy and did so 155 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: in a way that created a generation of mostly conservative voters. 156 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: Shen x my generation, and you see how that transformed 157 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: so much of our country's recent political history. Now we 158 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: start to see the opportunity that's in front of us. 159 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: I want to share something with you, and I don't 160 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 3: want to dwell too much on data from Florida, but 161 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: I think it's relevant because Florida has been the outlier. Right, 162 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: Florida was the state that had a historically great election 163 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: cycle for Republicans two years ago. Florida has gone from 164 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: being the ultimates wing state to being what's considered a 165 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: red state. Now, what is the roadmap here? Well, something 166 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 3: that's interesting if you go back even to twenty twenty, 167 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: you go back four years ago, most of the voters 168 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: between the ages of eighteen to thirty four, most of 169 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,359 Speaker 3: the registered voters in the state of Florida were Democrats. 170 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: You had fifteen percent more registered Democrats than Republicans between 171 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 3: the ages of eighteen and thirty four. What's happened since 172 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: the average voter eighteen and thirty four is now registering 173 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 3: as a Republican. There are more registered Republicans between those 174 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: ages than there are Democrats now in the state of Florida. 175 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: That's happened in four years, that kind of flip. And 176 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: how has it happened? Well, you know, our little microcosm 177 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: of what is possible across the country. A group of 178 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: young adults that have realized, hey, you know what, if 179 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 3: we have good policy things, things can be pretty good. 180 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: You know, these hants has led on his policy ideas, 181 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 3: they were successful and it has really created a group 182 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 3: of younger voters that are far more conservative than any 183 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: in Florida's history in particular. But this is the opportunity 184 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: that we have nationally. Why, because you have more young 185 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: voters that are unhappy, in fact, more that are unhappy 186 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: with the Democrat president than at any point in recorded history. 187 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: Get this right now, voters under the age of thirty, 188 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: what do you think Joe Biden's approval rating is. Voters 189 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: under thirty, it's twenty six percent. Twenty six fairly a quarter. 190 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: So like when you see all these kids on college campuses, 191 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 3: all the Marxists in college camp they're like, that's it. 192 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: Those are the ones that actually approve of this guy. 193 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: Those are the only people who take a look at 194 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 3: Joe Biden and go. 195 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh. 196 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, give me some more of that guy, sweet 197 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: political action. We just think how much dope you have 198 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: to be smoking for that to seem like a good idea. 199 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 3: But it's the first time we've ever seen a Democrat 200 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 3: president most disapproved of by the youngest voters and actually 201 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: the most approved of by the oldest voters. It's an 202 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: real interesting dichotomy and situation. And because of that, you 203 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: have eyes that are open, and we're now seeing that 204 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: swing where the youngest voters are in play. So if 205 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: you take a look Fox News in particular, a lot 206 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: of the surveys have things done on the eighteen to 207 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: thirty four line. Fox News specifically breaks out in their 208 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: polls something for voters under thirty and their most recent poll, 209 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: which by the way, was done before the debate and 210 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: naturally is one of the most favorable polls for Biden 211 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: that's come out in a long time. 212 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: The swing between twenty twenty and a. 213 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 3: Couple weeks ago when this poll came out with voters 214 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: under thirty twenty six points twenty six points a toss up, 215 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: basically a statistical tie between Biden and Trump with voters 216 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: under thirty those that are historically the most likely to 217 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 3: vote for Democrats. This is the beginning of the opportunity 218 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 3: that's in front of us, and it's why it's so 219 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: important now we don't just win this election, but we 220 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: lead on policy as well, and it's why it's so 221 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: important that we win down ballot as well to give 222 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 3: Trump the momentum he needs congressionally to be able to 223 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: get done what he needs to get done as well. 224 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: I'm Brian Mudd in for Clay and Buck. 225 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 4: Today. 226 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 5: George Stephanopolis is all of us, He's every journalist in 227 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 5: the country. He's also many voters who want answers from 228 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 5: this president. Astoundingly, the White House is almost portraying this 229 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 5: interview as a cognitive test, like it's some sort of 230 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 5: televised doctor's appointment. 231 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: The White House and the. 232 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 5: Biden campaign have raised the stakes for this interview as 233 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 5: if it was not already important enough. So it is 234 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 5: both the most important interview of the interviewer's career, Stephanopolis, 235 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 5: but most importantly for Biden. As you said, his presidency 236 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 5: is on the line here, and yet at the same time, 237 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 5: it's only one interview. 238 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: It's not nearly. 239 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 5: Enough compared to what Biden has to do more broadly 240 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 5: to prove to the country that he's spent for service. 241 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, some hands on analysis from Brian Stelter. 242 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: So we get ready for the Stephanopolis interview. Wait o'clock 243 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: ABC tonight Must See TV. Who would have thought that 244 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: a holiday week at eight o'clock and a Friday night, 245 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: what you'd want to be doing is tuning in to 246 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: see Joe Biden. But it is kind of like that 247 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 3: that thing, isn't it Never know what you're gonna get, 248 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: you know, box life is like a box of chocolates, 249 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: So is Shoe Biden these days. 250 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: And you know. 251 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: To that end, we've got a rally that's getting ready 252 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 3: to take place and Madison, Wisconsin as well with the 253 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: President and that could always be interesting. So we'll keep 254 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: our eyes and ears on that one as well. I 255 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 3: want to go through the mechanics for a moment of 256 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: what needs to happen or Democrats to replace Biden at 257 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: the convention if this is going to happen. So you 258 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: have all these thoughts out there, like, you know, well 259 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: the Democrats that can just throw him overboard, and actually 260 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: the answer is for the most part, they can. So 261 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: I just want to tackle that piece of this first. 262 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: So the first thing to kind of think about is 263 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 3: elections have consequences, right, we know this. So we went 264 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: through the primary and the caucus season. All right, that 265 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: is done. That ship is sailed, and as a result, 266 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: you have pledged delegates. And it wasn't like we just 267 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: had all these elections and all these people went out 268 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: to vote because it was like playtime and voting votes 269 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: so that then we could get to the convention and 270 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: just do whatever we wanted to do. So first and foremost, 271 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: the definition of a pledged delegate is this. A pledged 272 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: delegate is a delegate to a political party's presidential nominating 273 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: convention that is pledged to support the candidate to whom 274 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: they are allocated. Okay, so on that note, Joe Biden 275 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: has three nine hundred and four of them. You know 276 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: how many are uncommitted right now thirty seven, and you 277 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: could add five to that because tem Phillips won five 278 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 3: and he dropped out of the race. So Joe Biden 279 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: right now has a lead of three thy nine hundred 280 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: and four to maybe forty two if those all eyed 281 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: up against something else. So his decision whether he wants 282 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 3: to get out of this race or not really is 283 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: the ultimates in terms of what comes next at that convention. 284 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to dive into this. 285 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: A little bit deeper, give you a little bit of 286 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: a better idea of the one out Democrats could take 287 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: at the convention, and a little bit more on that, 288 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: and your call's next. 289 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: Brian mudd In for Clay and Buck. 290 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 6: A lot of people have been made to hate the 291 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 6: Republican parties who are branding and marketing freedom is a 292 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 6: very to really unique and precious thing. We're the only 293 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 6: country ever founded on the premise that the freedom and 294 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 6: liberty of the citizen is the primary objective of the government, 295 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 6: the primary and protecting it and defending it. 296 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: That's what's exceptional about America. 297 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 7: Most most people, if you did a historical chair, most 298 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 7: human beings since the beginning of time, whenever it was. 299 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 7: Most human beings on this planet have lived in some 300 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 7: kind of tyranny. Most of them have lived in poverty, 301 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 7: many of them lived in in bondage under tyrannical dictatorships. 302 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 7: The vast majority of people never even had the opportunity 303 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 7: to escape with whatever economic circumstances they were born into. 304 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: We are truly unique. 305 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 7: And I don't know how many ways we are exceptional in. 306 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: I don't know how many ways we're not better people. 307 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 7: It's just that the found premise on this this country 308 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 7: was built is what unleashed the creativity and the excellence 309 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 7: that lurks in every human being seeking to be the 310 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 7: best he or she can be. And that's what happened. 311 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 7: That's why the United States has become the world's number 312 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 7: one superpower. It's not some government that did it. It's 313 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 7: not a dictator, it's not a single leader that made 314 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 7: it happen. It's the American people just behaving as human 315 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 7: beings will do when they are freed. And this is 316 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 7: considered an obstacle to these people. 317 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: Russia just, you know, simply brilliant. That was just ever 318 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 3: four years ago. And as we're celebrating this Independence Day weekend, 319 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 3: you think about all of the opportunity that our country 320 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: provides and it's critical that we preserve it. That's what 321 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: this election really is. Are we going to continue to 322 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 3: be that country, the country that went from a ragtag 323 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: group of colonies to the world's leading superpowered under one 324 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 3: hundred fifs years. You know, Rush was such and on 325 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 3: that there. 326 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean, think about it. 327 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: How in the world, with all of these established societies 328 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: around the world, do you have a ragtag group of 329 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: colonies that's when the ultimate upset against the world superpower 330 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: and then go on to become the world superpower in 331 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: under one hundred and fifty years. It happened because we 332 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: were given the opportunity to be free where the government 333 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 3: didn't give us rights, but we were We had God 334 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: given rights. And now you take a look at what 335 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: we have allowed to enter our society with progressivism and 336 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 3: the heavy hand of government. And that's what's on the 337 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 3: line here. Brian Muddy in for Clay and Buck and 338 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: I get to the phones here in just a moment. 339 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 3: I wanted to go through as we are taking a 340 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: look at whether Joe Biden is going to make it 341 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 3: through the weekend, whether he's going to get the thumbs 342 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: up or thumbs down from George Tefanopolis in the interview 343 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: as we're on standby for his rally in Madison, Wisconsin. 344 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: What needs to happen for Joe Biden not to be 345 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: the Democrats nominee. And the answer, by and large is 346 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: that he himself has to say I'm out. And the 347 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: reason is because he has the pledged delegates I mentioned 348 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: before the break. Joe has three nine hundred and four 349 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 3: pledged delegates. There are a total of forty two uncommitted delegates, 350 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 3: thirty seven that were uncommitted, and then five one by 351 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 3: DF Phillips who dropped out. 352 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: So I mean that's your scorecard right now. 353 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: Now there is one outclause, you know, Republican delegates, they're pledged, 354 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: and there really are not the kinds of outs that 355 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: the Democrats have worked in. They have one outclause at 356 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 3: the Democrat convention and it's called the conscience clause, says 357 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 3: pledged delegates. This is in the Democrats rules. Pledged delegates 358 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: must vote in all good conscience that their vote reflects 359 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: the sentiments of those who elected them. Okay, so that 360 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 3: is the one potential outcause if in theory over half 361 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: of Biden's pledged delegates decided to have the convention, they 362 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: could not in good conscience reflect the sentiments of those 363 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 3: who elected them quote unquote, I mean, they could theoretically defect. 364 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: But there's also another way of looking at who these 365 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: people are. If there were, for example, three thousand, nine 366 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 3: hundred and four remaining Biden supporters in this country, it 367 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 3: would be these people. It would be these delegates. These 368 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: are the most committed Biden loyalists out there. That's why 369 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 3: they are pledged delegates of his because they are down 370 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: for the Biden cause, which makes it really unlikely that 371 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 3: would happen. So that's the first thing, is that Joe 372 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: does have to make the call himself if this is 373 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: going to go down. And then you take a look 374 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 3: at broker conventions. So a lot of people are like, well, well, 375 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 3: you know, this is definitely the better path forward for Democrats, 376 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: but is it. So the first thing is a broker 377 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: convention is this, If you get to a convention and 378 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: you do not have a presidential nominee after the first vote, 379 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: that's when you get into what's considered a brokered convention. 380 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: If you take a look at what's happened since the 381 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 3: current two party system went into place, the scorecard certainly 382 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: has not been good for Democrats on this certainly has 383 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: not worked out all that well. Now, in the very 384 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 3: early days of the two party system, really the first 385 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 3: several decades, you had the party elites on both sides 386 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 3: that got to the convention and decided who the party's 387 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: nominee would be, and you had people that had different 388 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 3: ideas about that, and so broker conventions were a lot 389 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: more common. But let me give you an idea of 390 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: what has happened in Democrat brokeer conventions. 391 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: They typically lose, so a couple of things. 392 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 3: You have to go back seventy two years to find 393 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: the most recent broker convention, and it happened in nineteen 394 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: fifty two when Democrats needed three rounds of voting to 395 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: nominate Adelai Stevenson. And yeah, he didn't fare so well. 396 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: Dwight D. 397 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: Eisenhower had an easier time with him than he did 398 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 3: the Nazis in World War Two. He defeated Stevenson four 399 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: forty two to eighty nine in the electoral College. The 400 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: Republicans tried the broker convention thing four years earlier. Thomas 401 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: Dewey most people remember, mostly because of a false newspaper headline. 402 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: Dewey went on to lose to Truman in that election. 403 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: So the most recent brokered conventions for both parties ended 404 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: in els. And if you go back to the onset 405 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 3: of this two party system eighteen sixty forward, Democrats have 406 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 3: held eleven brokered conventions. The result is that they've only 407 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 3: won three of those. They are three and eight in 408 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 3: election cycles where they've gone to brokeer conventions. The only 409 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: presidents that emerged from those Grover Cleveland eighty four, Woodrow 410 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 3: Wilson in nineteen twelve, and FDR. FDR is actually a 411 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: product of a broker convention in nineteen thirty two. By 412 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 3: the way, a fun fact on this the record number 413 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: of convention votes before nominating the presidential candidate one hundred 414 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: and three rounds. He imagined that many rounds of votes 415 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 3: to nominate Democrat John Davis in nineteen twenty four, one 416 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 3: hundred years ago, one hundred and three rounds he went 417 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: on against butt whipped by Calvin Coolidge three eighty two 418 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 3: to one thirty six. And actually, kind of like fun 419 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: fact number two here, the most convention rounds needed to 420 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: nominate a candidate that did go on to become president 421 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 3: forty six rounds the forty six that it took to 422 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 3: get to Woodrow Wilson for Democrats in nineteen twelve. So anyway, 423 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 3: there you go. You kind of take a look back 424 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: at this situation and for the people, and this includes 425 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 3: Democrats especially, they're. 426 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: Like, well, we've got to. 427 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: Find, you know, the path beyond Joe. What are the 428 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: odds that there's going to be unity? What are the 429 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: odds that if Joe does get out of the way, 430 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: you're just going to have everybody line up in one 431 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: direction and it's going to be kumbaya. And that's the 432 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: reason why historically Brooker conventions have not gone well for Democrats. 433 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 3: They already have a problem with with party unity. A 434 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 3: lot of that has to do with, you know, the 435 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: Israel Hamas war and Biden's handling of all that. Then 436 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: you take a look at the Kambala Harris factor, a 437 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 3: lot of people realize, you know what, she is not 438 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 3: likely to perform any better against Trump. She might even 439 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 3: do worse than Biden. So they want to try to 440 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: get her out of the way too. What's going to 441 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 3: happen if you have the factions of the party that 442 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 3: that try to go to that place on top of 443 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 3: the division that already exists. So for that reason, you know, 444 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: all these conversations. Oh, you know, if it's just the Gretch, 445 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 3: if it's Skretcha Whitmer, it will be great. Or if it's 446 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 3: that hair Gavin Newsom in California, or if it's uh 447 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: maybe uh Corey Booker, he of of you know, theatrics, 448 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 3: maybe maybe the booty Judge, maybe a Transportation secretary p 449 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just whomever people come up with. The 450 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: odds are the story doesn't end well they travel down 451 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: that path. 452 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: So just a little history there for you. 453 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: Let's go to the Phone's got David in Tampa, No 454 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 3: tease this Summer're early going to David and Tampa. Thank 455 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: you so much for hanging on. Welcome to the show. 456 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 8: Hi. I am a big Trump supporter, but I have 457 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 8: the opposite reaction to Biden screwing up in the debate. 458 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 8: I think that while of course it may result in 459 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 8: Trump winning a big victory over Harris or Biden, it 460 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 8: could be the only way that Democrats have to beat Trump. 461 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 8: They will look at the polls and they will see 462 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 8: that Trump beats everywhere except Michelle Obama slaughters him. She 463 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 8: is a nasty, ugly woman who is not qualified, but 464 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 8: she slaughters him, and they may get together after reading 465 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 8: all the polls, and they may pressure her to run. 466 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 8: She doesn't want to run, but Reagan didn't want to 467 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 8: run either in nineteen sixty six for governor. Believe that's 468 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 8: a good chance that will happen. It will be a 469 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 8: great tragedy. That debate was a great tragedy for Republicans, 470 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 8: possibly not Democrats. 471 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, David, I appreciate the call, and I hear what 472 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 3: you're saying. I do think there is, you know, something 473 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 3: potentially viable in this argument. I do think the one 474 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 3: vulnerability at a convention decision, if we got to the 475 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: Broker convention, would be Michelle Obama. And for the reasons 476 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: you mentioned, she would have the potential to be a 477 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 3: party unifying figure. And to your point, you know, for 478 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 3: the data that we have, it looks like she would 479 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 3: fare pretty well against Trump. I don't know that any 480 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 3: of these are are necessarily in stone, but I think 481 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 3: your analysis in that respect is on point. The counterpoint 482 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 3: to that is, there's zero indication that she's into doing this, 483 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 3: and you know, on the one hand, it's like, well, 484 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 3: if she would basically just be handed the presidency without 485 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: having to really even do anything for it, who wouldn't 486 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 3: want that? And maybe that's the case and may well 487 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: be the case, we shall see. On the other hand, 488 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: we have somebody who's never been the politician. Ann has 489 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: never given any indication that she personally is politically ambitious 490 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: like her husband was. To think about the commitment it 491 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 3: takes to do that job, and she knows very well 492 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: what that commitment looks like, and to take that away 493 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: from the life that by all accounts she very much 494 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 3: enjoys as somebody who's become very wealthy with houses all 495 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 3: over the place and you know, living the good life 496 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 3: and being able to influence politics that the Obama's from 497 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 3: the outside the way they want to. I don't know 498 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 3: that it's it's that much of a given that she 499 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: could even be recruited. We shall see, But yeah, I 500 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 3: mean that would I will put the asterisk there that 501 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: is the one time, the one person that maybe changes 502 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 3: the calculus if that were to happen. Let's go to 503 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 3: Steve Steve in South Carolina. Steve, Welcome to the show. 504 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for having. I appreciate it. I was watching 505 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: that fireworks show or display last night, beautiful display in DC. 506 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: By the way. 507 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 4: But I guess I got a question. First. Can the 508 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 4: president and all those people up there on the balcony 509 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: hear the music? Because if they can not, a one 510 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 4: of them put their hand over the heart when they 511 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 4: played the national anthem. 512 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: This is true. 513 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 3: This is an ughly good point, and uh, you know, 514 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: got it to your point. The whole thing was about 515 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 3: the optics, right, he was trying to put on a 516 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: good show. They're they're trying to put on a good front. 517 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 3: You had the vice president there as well. There was 518 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 3: the you know, the the whole kind of like celebratory 519 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 3: thing and the pointing like look, I can see fireworks 520 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 3: in the sky. You know, I get your point, all right, Steve. 521 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 522 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 3: So so thanks for the call, and let's see. Let's 523 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: go to uh Howard Howard in Hollywood, Florida. Here in 524 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: South Florida, Howard, Welcome to the show. 525 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 9: How you doing, Bryan. I just want to make a 526 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 9: saving and just get your thoughts about it. I think 527 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 9: there are certain demographics that Tyres does better than Biden 528 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 9: in and it may be important. I think it does better. 529 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 9: She does better with women, younger voters, and minorities, and 530 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 9: so those three together might help swing it a little bit. 531 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 9: And I think if she puts like Chuck Schumer on 532 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 9: as a vice president, because I think this Senate is 533 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 9: about the flip and Chuck isn't going to be the 534 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 9: majority leader anymissa, might be a good position for him 535 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 9: to be on the ticket for vice president. With your books, I. 536 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 3: Think Schumer is one of the least popular people in politics. 537 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: You know, one of the things that you can do 538 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: is you can track your favorability writings, and Schumer has 539 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: been consistently underwater, not as unpopular as Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell, 540 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 3: of any of the leader figures congressionally, has consistently been 541 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 3: the least favored. But I'm actually pulling this right now 542 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: to see if I can't get you some real time 543 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: favorability ratings on Yeah, we take, by the way, favorability 544 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 3: on Biden right now, in an average, real clear average, 545 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: thirty nine percent favorability rating for Biden Trump if you're round, 546 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 3: it is forty three right now. So I mean that's 547 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 3: the first thing. Isn't that interesting? And Harris. So your 548 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: first piece about Harris, she's at thirty eight percent, So 549 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 3: here she is performing even now with the buoying that's 550 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: come in after the debate, She's come in below humor 551 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: twenty eight percent favorability rating. So yeah, I don't think 552 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 3: that helps their ticket at all. I'm Brian Mudd in 553 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: for Claim Buck. 554 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 4: They hope Joe Biden stays in because they see him 555 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 4: as weak, and then they want to run against Kamala Harris. 556 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 4: I'll tell you who they don't want, who they're terrified of. 557 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is scared the death of Gavin news Newsom 558 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: is the one person they don't want to run against. 559 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: They're terrified what say what. 560 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 5: That is? 561 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: David Jolly. 562 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 3: He is a former Republican congressman turned independent turned never 563 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 3: Trumper trying to stay relevant by being the guy who 564 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 3: used to be a Republican that goes out there and 565 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 3: talks badly about Republicans. 566 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: That kind of person. 567 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 3: They're terrified of Gavin Newsom. The only thing that exists 568 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 3: that is terrified of Gavin Newsom is a hair product 569 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 3: because they know that they will quickly be used up. 570 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 3: Who who would be scared of Gavin Newsom a holy 571 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 3: incompetent governor of California. No, the Trump team is most 572 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 3: certainly not scared of Gavin Newsom. Fun fact for you, 573 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 3: Kimberly Guilfoyle. You know she was married to Gavin once 574 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: upon a time. Her and Don Junior have been a 575 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 3: nine him for years now. I asked her how much 576 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 3: hair product Gavin actually used and she said, I don't 577 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: know exactly, but there are plenty of times that it 578 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 3: took him longer to do his hair than it did her. 579 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 3: So so there you go. That's that's Gavin Newsom for 580 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: you in a nutshell. Look, thank you so much for 581 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: taking the time with me today. I've had to blast 582 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 3: of being here with you, filling the in for the guys. 583 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 3: They will be back next week after enjoying this extended 584 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 3: Independence Day weekend. 585 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: We have four months ago. 586 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 3: It's going to be fest of starting even tonight with 587 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 3: Biden and Stephanopoulos. Will George let Joe go? It should 588 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: be fun. Get popcorn ready and until next time. Brian 589 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 3: Mudd in for Clay and Buck Lay Travis and Buck 590 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 3: Sexton on the front lines of truth,