WEBVTT - KJ Live – Jelani McCoy 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.280 This is kJ Live with Chris john Silli and Chritis 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:20.640 entertainment in a straight Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.120 tuned them to kJ B Live. Today's guest on the 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:29.040 show as a retired NBA veteran, a former U s 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.800 A brow who led the nation in food goal percentage 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.839 two years in a row. This kid is from You're 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:40.160 Not a Kid Anymore, San Diego, California, and was recently 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.320 named to the team over a showtime Basketball. I'm gonna 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.400 talk to him today about his transition into the world 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:54.400 of digital media, content creation, and filmmaking. Retired NBA player 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.800 Gelottie McCoy is in the building. What's up, big Line. Yeah, 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.680 we're live again, back on kJ Live. We live, Yeah, 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.000 I live right, We live anyway, whether it's live or not, 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.039 we live anyway. We're always live. Line. You know this. 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:12.520 You were You've been with me since the inception of 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:17.000 kJ Live several months ago. One of my very first interviews. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.600 You're very much responsible for helping getting me comfortable and 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.360 on the ones and twos and in front of this 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.000 thing right here. My man and I always appreciate you, 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:29.160 and I always love your introspection and the thoughtfulness and 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.080 mindfulness of the way that you go about your business 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.000 and thought process. But I wanted to talk to you, 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.679 my brother, because man, you're doing some real nice stuff, 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.440 stuff that I didn't even see coming. I was just 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.559 with you a couple of weeks ago for a dog 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.240 conference in San Diego. You didn't even tell me you 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.600 get me, No yet you get you did not let 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.240 the cat out the bag. But talk a little bit 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.640 about the new position you were recently named with Showtime Basketball. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.040 Oh man, I can't you know I always keep your 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:58.920 cat in the back. You know, I'm I'm likely you 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:00.760 know I'd like to move around in the Star Wars 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.280 secrecy and just do things. But um, after like a 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.520 year long walking interview and you know what I mean, 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.440 some sacrificing and some you know, some long nights, I 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.079 was able to agree to take a deal with Showtime 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:19.040 as a concurrent content creator excuse me, producer across all 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.079 the Smoke and all Showtime Basketball. So I mean, it's 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.720 been a long time in the making. I've always been 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.120 a fan of Showtime since soft porn when I was 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.760 in in my my parents house. So you said soft porn, 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:38.239 sopho wow wow, wow was known for softporn. I mean, 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.520 but they've been doing a good job. They've been doing 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:45.240 a good job on I'm telling athletes stories. You know, 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:51.440 the uh, the the Alan Iverson doc, the Kobe doc, 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.720 the DeMarcus Cousins doc. Um, there's so many other ones 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.079 outside the basketball that you know they do a good 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:01.360 job on. So Um, opportunity came upon my desk, and 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.560 you know, uh, thanks to Matt and Stephen for trust 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.079 in me and for pushing me to be a part 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:07.760 of the team. We was able to make it come true. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.679 And what do you think it takes for a guy 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.960 like yourself and retired NBA player that necessarily might have 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.800 had the mind and the thirst and the one didn't 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.359 necessarily have the experience in this industry? What did it 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.520 take for you to get up to speed and to 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:29.240 be and to excel in this field? Um? Vulnerability, you 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.120 know what I mean? And and and just surrendering into 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.519 the moment and realizing that I'm not an authority, you 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:35.760 know what I mean? Just like when we used to 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.000 hoop when we was kid. You know, I just threw 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:39.720 myself in it. You know what I mean. I just 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.520 study everything. I've watched things. I know, the things that 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.080 I liked, the style that I like. I started getting 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.520 locked in the room and editors, learning about you know, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:50.880 transitions and you know what I mean, all the all 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.160 the filmmaking. You know what I mean, words that you're 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:55.920 gonna need to you know, I succeeded and I just 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.520 started learning. And I've only ever cared about doing this 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.200 ever since I made it decaision to do this instead 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.120 of coaching. So every day, every day since then, it's 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.600 been something advocated to making myself better and and you know, 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.000 as a producer, as a filmmaker, as being in front 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.080 of the camera, you know what I mean, helping you out, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.480 helping the fan out. We all got these outstanding voices 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.920 that I feel like need to be heard, and now 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.800 is a good time. So I've just been arming myself 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.840 up and you know, being able to help you, help Mad, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.919 help Steven because we do a lot of stuff with 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.320 the AI Classic. Um. So I've just been able to 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.159 help people, and I think that's the most thing I 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.360 get off of. I've armed myself and learned so much 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.360 that I'm able to help my friends and be being 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.600 able to be of value. So you know the people 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.280 that look like us and my friends that I want 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.200 to want to be in this industry. No, absolutely, but 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.200 touching on helping and mentoring. Um, I remember when I 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:50.839 first tried to get into the kind of the TV game, 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.680 and you know I had I did a bunch of 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.919 stuff back in the day. But when I first broke in, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.480 I got an internship sort of an apprenticeship with a 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.960 producer over NBC Universe guy back named Dan Hicks. He 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.359 kind of showed me the ropes. He got me comfortable 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.880 in front of the camera doing stand ups, sitting in 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.800 the studio. I mean he literally really just walked me through. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.200 We did a whole pilot that we pitched the USA Network. 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.080 It was a whole situation that what was going on. 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.320 But I can't thank him enough for the information and 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.800 the knowledge he had parted upon me. I guess I 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.080 want to know from you, did you have a mentor 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.680 in this game? Is there somebody that that helped you 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.479 show the ropes? Did you crowdsource this this knowledge that 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.520 you that you get. I wanted a particular niece vibe, 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.719 so I kind of a good good word too. Luck 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.680 so I think I did crowdsource. You know Josh Secuma, 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.400 our humble are, our honey, who we've worked a lot with, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.720 you know what I mean, filmmaker, music video directors, mini 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.720 doc you know Josh can't do anything, you know what 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.040 I mean. So I've been able to lean on Josh, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.200 Eric Newman at Shell Time, Brian Daly at shell Time, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:57.920 and ship even Matt Barnes at at the point, now 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.400 we gotta start giving Matt Barnes a flower and start 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.800 with um recognizing him as a producer. He's not just 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.680 a talent because he really works behind the scenes on 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.840 his podcast, from segments to what he wants to look 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.680 like across socials. So I learned from Matt, you know 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.360 what I mean, yourself, you know what I mean. And 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.599 a handful of people that I know trust, Um, rob 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.000 On just Rob Archie, you know what I mean. On 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.200 just being you know, myself and being comfortable being myself 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.720 and I want my voice to be heard. So just 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:27.760 a handful of people that I really cared about and 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.839 that I trusted. So I probably crowdsourceded as as opposed 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:35.040 to the other way. When you look at this NBA 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.000 Hall of Fame class that just got inducted. There's a 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.400 lot of guys do from our error. Man, Um, do 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.320 you feel old at all that these guys we competed 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.080 against in the Hall of Fame or or do you 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:53.520 view them as you know, contemporaries that made it. I 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.240 don't feel old, man, I feel proud. I feel used 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.080 to feel salty, and that's you know what I mean. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:59.840 I used to feel salty because you know, I didn't 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.160 fee of my career based on the talent that I 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.320 knew I had in my heart. You know, went went 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.560 as it should have. But I wouldn't trade it for 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.520 the world because it's brought me to the place that 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.720 I am now. But I'm so proud man of people. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.200 You know, people in our class around our area to 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:17.880 go to the Hall of Fame or you know even 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.320 have been able to provide themselves. You know, their families 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:21.800 with a ton of money and you know what me 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.120 change their whole family experience. So I moved from you 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.800 know what I mean salty to uh to you know 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.680 what I mean, like the you know, admiring contemporaries, just 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.320 being so proud I think as in our community as 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.800 a Black community and in the small group of we 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.600 as black athletes, Africana, Marian the athletes, whichever one you 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.120 want to use. We don't give each other our flowers. 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:45.520 So I think it's about time that, you know, we 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.800 get off you know, the older generation and start concentrating 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.560 on building ourselves up because a lot of some of 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.320 us still have a still have a lot to offer 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.320 to the newer generation. They're searching, you know what I mean, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.520 for newer ways or newer voices and different you know, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.120 different ways to explain things. So I think that's why 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.560 that's what we hold in common, Christine Johnson and Gelani 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.880 McCoy and I just want to just move into a 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.640 arrangement where we can help each other, you know what 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.600 I mean, and to continue to voice our parents and 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.000 these younger generations opinions. But why do you think there's 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.640 such a big disconnect at times between the older generation 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.000 and the younger generation. And I'm not just talking about 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.720 you know, hoop and all that. It's it's across the board, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.160 it's fast, it's the way people dress, it's the way 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.800 people talk, it's this is that, it's this is that. 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.080 Why do you think there's such a big disconnect? I mean, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:33.760 we've seen some of the older guys like Alan Iverson 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.280 who really embraced the younger generation in basketball, and the 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.880 younger generation has embraced him back. Why do you think though, 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.559 that there's this you know, this gap between the two generations. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.280 This ship got boogie somehow, you know what I mean? 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.120 After Ai and Chuck and Kevin Gardner set the blueprint 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.400 of hard work, and you know what comes from the 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.160 hard work. This generation, you know, and some of the 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.360 even some of the old middle in between whatever this 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.160 generation was, we forgot about what the hard work was 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.600 and we just went with the goods and glamor from 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:08.280 social media and the cap you know what I mean. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.640 We lost everything in between the start and the finish. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.240 So you know, it's fake it till you make it 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.840 times a hundred right now, and we just lost you know, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.640 the story is in the in the journey, and you 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.200 know what I mean, the things that you go through. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.160 So nobody interested interested in the journey. If you're watching 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.760 movies and ship right now, everything is instanted, instantly evacuation 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.040 if it's a bunch of noise on top of one. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.880 So right now we just lost a part of the 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.520 story being in the hard work. We talk about Mamba 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.200 mentality and all that good ship, but we're really not 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.360 listening to what cove he was talking about because to me, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.000 those stories and the journey and the transference and the 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.040 climb happens in the in the work, and we're just 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.600 ignoring the work now and using memes and quotes and 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.400 ship from other people that are busy doing work at 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.600 the end of the day. So I feel once we 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.000 can bridge that gap of the cap and the quote, 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.679 get back to action, you know what I mean, less 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.080 ego and more so, I think we'll all be better 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:09.840 off bridge that gap of the cap and the quotes. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.920 Les did man, you sound like Gil Scott heron around 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:22.679 this piece. Hey, the revolution will not be televised. But 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.480 but lin Um I recently had the opportunity to interview 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.920 uh w NBA legend a lot of beard. She's heading up. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.800 She's heading up the group right. She's partnered with the 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.840 African American Sports and Entertainment group based out of Oakland, 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.960 and they're trying to bring a w NBA franchise to 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.000 the city of Falkland. Now, you are a lot of 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:44.520 people don't know this, but you were born in open 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.200 correct Yeah, you were born in open so as somebody 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.559 who was born in that city, what are your thoughts 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:55.040 on a w NBA franchise, the prospects of a black 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:59.360 owned mind you owned w n B tries in the city, 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.560 you think the city would get behind something like that. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.160 I mean, they better. It's such a townish thing to do, 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.600 in my opinion, right, you know what I mean, just 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.880 too because there's a need for it. Now, what better 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.400 way than a w NBA player, you know what I mean, 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.560 and assist, sorry, you know what I mean, to come 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.160 back in there and represent the town and start bringing 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.280 some vitality to the town because they're trying to start 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.280 the life out of the town right now. You know, 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.160 the AI's are in this situation, the Raiders getting out 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.160 of there, the Warriors jump ship to San Francisco. So 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.360 I know she's in touch with a lot of people 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.640 in that tech space, in that take area that can 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.400 make a dream like this happening. I think Oakland and 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.640 everybody else should support her and do what they can 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.120 do to bring that franchise to Oakland because I think 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.559 it's a good marriage. I think it's something that Oakland 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.920 can get behind. And uh and I think everybody wins 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.920 across the board because they can't. Something like that couldn't 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.959 happen in a better situation, situation on her city than Oakland, California. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.480 And my opinion, so I'm proud of her. Prats off 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.920 to that team, and I hope everything yields and that 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:07.240 the team. The group has some pretty ambition ambitious aspirations. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.000 They want to own a black owned NFL team, a 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.760 new stadium and convention center. They want to do Black 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.120 Wall Street Part two, the w NBA franchise. Then they 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.600 want to put up a Hall of Fame and an 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.880 academic center all in the city. So they have big 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.360 dreams and aspirations and uh and I think they have 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.120 the means to achieve all these dreams, man. So I'm 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.720 excited to see what happens with that. That's it's one 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.880 of the most exciting pieces of news that I've heard 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.880 in a long time, especially for the African American community. UM, 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.200 I have to agree with you. The Oaktown all comes 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.599 down the capital though, you know what I mean what 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.240 you said, Yeah, you know what I mean. She knows 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:48.840 what she knows what she had to do the probably 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.439 before she even stepped to the table. So I'm pretty 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.560 sure she did her homework. I appreciate you send to 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.360 me the article and uh and and the link on 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.360 you know what I mean, on her, on her being 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.840 a guest, on yourself, because I feel like she came 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.760 to the table knowing that capital was gonna be a 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.319 big part component and bringing this project. And she sounds 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.040 like she had her isch together when she stepped to 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.320 the table in the first place. So my hat goes 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:12.959 off to her, and we need to figure out whatever 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.000 we can do, you know, to help her out if 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.760 she needs it. It It don't sound like she needs us, 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:20.880 but if she do, you know, we can help her. Yeah, 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:22.400 I said the same I said the same thing at 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.040 the end of the call yesterday. I said anything I 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:25.680 could do. I don't know if there's anything I could do, 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.400 but whatever I could do, whatever, Yeah, absolutely, please let 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.920 me know. The Vice mayor is a really big proponent 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:33.800 of the City of Open She's a she's a big 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.440 proponent of this entire project. I heard her speak in 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.760 depth about it. So it's a really exciting thing that's 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.199 coming along. Absolutely, And we just did some stuff with 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.480 Barbara Lee out there. Uh, you know what her documentary 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.719 was came out on Stars a couple of months, so 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.640 Ray was out there doing a bunch of film work 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.400 and helping with the premier. So um, I saw that. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.160 You know, Yeah, the town is always gonna be in 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:58.760 our heart, you know what I mean. I'm a big 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.800 a san I'm a forty Er fan, but I'm an 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.080 Ace fan, like I spent a lot of time up 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:04.880 in Oakland, So it's always gonna be near and dear 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.880 to my heart. So we're always gonna represent the town 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.920 for shelf Show. Jumping back to the Allen Iverson documentary. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.920 You you're a producer on that. Talk about a little 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.120 bit about that project, what it was like working with 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:21.280 Alan Bubba Chuck, and what should we expect to see 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.600 in this mini Dot Man, this mini Dots, you know 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.480 what I mean. We left a lot of blood, sweat 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.240 and tears, you know what I mean, and in the 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.880 in the cutting room and in there in the process 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.440 bringing us together because it was the only All American 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.000 game during the pandemic. McDonald's and everything else was shut down, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.840 so you know, they had chat Home Graham, Polo Banchetto, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.640 Peyton Watson, Raven Johnson, the first female to play in 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:52.320 All American Game was present um coached by Stephen Jackson, 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:57.280 Rashid Waller's Bonzi Will So Darius Miles was a part 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.200 of the project along with AIS Team, Jian Mindzette, them 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.680 Bobby Beats. So um it was it was just an 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.400 opportunity to go and do something for Chuck, you know 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:06.920 what I mean. Chuck is a part of what I 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.000 like to call the Showtime Universe. It's kind of like 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.960 a Marvel universe where you'll see documentaries and many documentaries 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.720 and podcasts and other episodic things for different players on 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.600 the Showtime platform. So it was just an opportunity. And 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.600 I met Chuck in ninety three at the McDonald the 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.200 Nike All American Camp, so we obviously hit it off. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.680 Then I played from played with him at Denver and 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:32.640 against him for a couple of years in the NBA. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.560 So I'm a big Allen Iverson fan. You know that 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.040 we were to Allen Iverson's during the Dude Game the 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:43.040 first at the first Aies from Reebox. So anytime I 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.040 could help one of the former players, a Hall of 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.320 Famer that I played with, that I played against, that 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.840 I was a teammate up, I'm all on board, and 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.920 I take my job very seriously, so I'm trying to 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.240 paint there our our our heroes and the best light, 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.440 you know what i mean, always with love and light, 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.560 not a lot of negative. I'm very protective of their 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.400 transparency and it was just an opportunity to go down there. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.160 Have took my business partner and U c l A 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.880 alumni Read Young down there and helped produce. Uh. It 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.120 turned out really well, so you should expect to see 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.640 bondsy Wales and Rashi received Wallace in a different light. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.400 And I'm really proud of the way Steven Jackson is 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.600 standing on his own on this one. You know, a 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.240 lot of people know him as the co host on 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.760 All the Smoke, but again Stack has another universe under 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.760 the Showtime Basketball that's also going to highlight his talent. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.280 So it was awesome. It was a learning experience, and 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.040 it was during the pandemic, so it was a lot 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.920 of you know, pandemics going on and stuff you have 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.880 to work. But but it came out and I'm glad 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.280 it worked up well well. If you could pinpoint during 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.840 that that that process of filming something that happened that 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:50.960 was just crazy or that you know, it was a 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.240 little bit off kilter. That threw you off a little bit. 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.400 They you have an expenses like that, or didn't go 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.360 pretty smooth the entire way. Man. You know, we're trained 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.360 for everything. Luck, we've seen everything. We've been pretty busy 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:03.240 for the fast five years, you know what I mean, 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.879 for maybe up to you know, three minutes before a 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.520 live show happens, and we scrapped, still scrambled and trying 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.520 to get assets ready for a live stream or a 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.040 live show up in San Francisco. So we pretty much 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.560 expect everything. I explained it expected alien to pop out 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.200 of somebody's head and like keep it cool, you know 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.280 what I mean. So I've just trained. That's why I 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.040 keep myself in shape, you know what I mean. I 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.440 try to, you know, get a good diet, try to 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.359 get a couple of good nights sleep, because I just 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.919 tried to be prepared for anything. But I think the 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.919 dopest thing that happened was when we were shooting. This 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.960 was in the Jack Stephen with Jackson was in the 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.560 middle of Ramadon or his first fast, you know what 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.639 I mean. Ever, he never fastted his life, and he 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.800 had to. You know, I'm producing and working on cameras 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.320 and working with cameraman and whatnot. And he was the 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.120 coach and he asked me to coach for him while 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.240 he put while he prayed. So in the middle of 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.320 the All American Game, I had to go from producers 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.760 slash director, slash, security, slash you know what I mean, cameraman, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.199 slash whatever it is, to coach. And it was and 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:05.959 on the bench with some heaters. You know what I mean, 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:07.880 Dude is going to Gonzaga, you know what I mean. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:09.919 You know where chatting Polo going. You know what I mean. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.119 This is a big time. They're They're high on the 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:17.560 NBA radar Top one, top one, Yeah, six. Couple of 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.640 these guys are six to eight months removed from going 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.480 to the league. So just being in that full circle 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.880 again while I was, you know, transition on the other 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:27.560 side of my life, you know what I mean, just 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.439 reaching back in that moment to just understand that, you know, 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.399 basketball is always gonna be a conduit as to you 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.439 know what I mean, grace for me and that that 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.520 was one of my prouder moments and for him to 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.320 trust me and for him to trust me like that, 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.440 because during that weekend, a couple of days is when 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.160 me and Jack formed a bond, you know what I mean. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.399 That led to me probably getting this relationship so super 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.080 proud of it. Dope, that's dope. Yeah. I had similar, 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:56.520 well not similar experiences, but I experienced the prayer during 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.760 the game thing when I played in Quitar If we 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:03.560 had a game, right and then coincided with the time 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.040 that they called it Sunday, I believe, and then so 0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:10.679 we stopped the game. Chris go over to the bench. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.399 We have to pray. The whole everybody has a Muslim. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:18.240 They pointed towards Mecca, and then they would get down 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.680 on the floor during the game and start praying. And 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.199 at first I was kind of tripped out, but then 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.679 I was like, well, I got used to it, and 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.919 then I was respect I started to respect the process. 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.679 I think I dribbled a ball one time and everybody 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:31.119 looked at me. I was like, oh, shoot, this is 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:40.160 not the business. Hey, I did the same thing and 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.639 um in the Milwaukee books practice one time, dude with 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.359 Nellie and I dribbled the ball. He looked it was 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.320 there in the middle of the thing. He looked over, 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.000 he glared at me. Pick up that ball. He said. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.399 I was like, I'm like ten years old, bro getting 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:04.879 yo that by Nellie Bro. I was like, lessing, we 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:06.640 just went off the rails. But no, but that that's 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.240 that sounds like that sounds like a really fun thing. Man. 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.840 You So you're it's an amazing it wasn't interesting too. 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.560 And this is a kind of an in the weeds 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.560 type of question for you line. So that weekend right, 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.720 I was in Classic You're you're behind the camera, so 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.240 you're looking at the kids doing different lens right, because 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.480 you're setting up shots and you're you know, storylines, et cetera. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.359 Now when you were called into coaching, now you have 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:31.560 to put on another you gotta take that lens off 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.160 and put on the Hooper lends. You're a baller, I'm coach. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.840 I look at you for your your strength deficiencies. How 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.080 we gonna get you off in basketball? Standpoint? How? How? 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.280 How did that Was that an easy transition to do? 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.000 Did you or did you feel like you had an 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.040 advantage because you were so like you have been basically 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.040 studying these guys, they were subjects of film. I went, 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.040 I went weirdo. You know, I just right over in 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.920 the weirdo because I was looking at them through viewfinders 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.000 and look at them through such a particular lens. Yeah, 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.199 you know what I mean, And they seen me like 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.359 I wasn't there just you know, holding or you know, 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.440 a point to I was clapping and ship you know 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.080 what I mean. I was. I was in it. You know, 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.800 we get we get in the gym, and it's the 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:13.200 energy in there is palpable. So I was gonna do yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:15.320 you know what I mean, geeking them up on dunks, 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:16.600 you know what I mean. Jumped in and out of 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.000 a couple of drills. So it was kind of easy. 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:20.520 And I don't I don't think I ever want to 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.200 lose that feeling of being able to just instantly jump 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.800 into a coach or you know what I mean, instant 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.520 hooper situation and you hit it right on the head. 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.200 I think because I was so hyper focused on their 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.600 making them look like heroes, you know what I mean 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.440 that you know what I mean, that just carried over 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.240 instantly when I had to coach for that couple of minutes. Now, 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.240 that's pretty dope. That's the first thing that sort of 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.760 came in my mind was how you you operated with them. 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.080 It took me back to when we coached together with 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.160 the Double Pump Organism back in two thousand and fifteen, 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.200 which was, you know, one of the fun the most 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.800 enjoyable summers that I've had me you Ryan Forehand, Kelly 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.640 who was currently assistant for the Brooklyn Nets. We were 0:21:57.640 --> 0:21:59.240 holding it down. I don't know if you remember that, 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:01.800 but Line, I don't know if you remember this in Vegas, 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.240 but the day when we played that Dan Lillard Adida's team, 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.199 we were up twelve. They came back and beat us. 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:12.040 Do you remember Mitchell Robinson, the big, tall, wide showder. 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.840 Mitchell Robinson who plays for the Knicks. He was playing 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.359 before them. So when we walked in, because you know, 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.720 we got to the game earlier, so when we walked in, 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:21.879 we saw that, we saw this big footer and we 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.200 were just like, who is this big why show dog? 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.639 I don't know if you remember, but that was Mitchell Robinson. 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.159 Bro Line, when you think back to that, when you 0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:32.320 think back to that summer, Man, and we we went 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.679 head up with some big time programs. Man, what was 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.480 the what what stood out the most of two thousand 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:40.800 and fifteen and our only coaching experience together. What you 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:46.760 think my favorite MoMA is when the when the dad 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.800 had his fingers to the fence. I forgot where it 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:54.880 was American American Sports Center, the nets, the net, yes, 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.440 they got the nets behind us. The dad has got 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.679 got his fingers through the nets. You know what I mean? 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:06.119 O Ship, Oh my god, we let that one go, 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:07.920 you know what I mean? You know what I mean? 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:11.359 We let that one go. We stayed coach, and then 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.520 another one came another end, so they all stop had 0:23:15.960 --> 0:23:18.800 just talking and Ship with his fingers through the through 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.920 the that My favorite moment was when we looked over 0:23:21.960 --> 0:23:28.320 there in Unison and told him to goat it was beautiful. 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.119 Nobody no cue. There wasn't even a verbo. Cue is 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.480 like literally, you know what I mean? One too? After 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:37.840 the third one, it was like, it's all, it's all now, 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.760 you know what. I remember one of the pumps. I 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.479 remember he was like, you're trying to stick up for yourself. 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:45.760 And then one of the pumps came over there, and 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:51.280 why you do the run? I felt it. I felt 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:56.240 that he was already seem like what's going on? You 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.520 know they were he would definitely weren't gonna let nothing happen. 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.320 Oh no, I'm sorry, guy. That's our guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.679 that But he was like, what's going on there? You 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.040 know what I mean. We was like, are you still 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.639 going on? You know, we we were. It was just 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.840 a funny situation, you know, as the language. But you 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.600 know what I mean, that's what it was. That was 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.520 my That and beating the balls and getting into it, 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.720 but getting the stair down from Mama Ball post game 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.800 West game, so I was gonna talk about that. So 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:28.600 so I think it was a foul call. So we're 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.600 playing against the Balls, the ball brothers. Uh, you know, LaVar. 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.320 Everybody's their team, the rookie of the year, the rookie 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.080 of the year, the mellow. So we're playing against the 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:37.760 ball Brothers. And you know, it's a big it's a 0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:41.200 great game. It's it's spirited. Everybody's watching our game. It's 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.119 probably one of the most turned up basketball situations I've been. 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:49.680 It was there on the side. It was sick. Yeah, 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.679 it was sick, dude. It was sick. Everybody was in 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:54.840 the building watching this game. But but I think what 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:57.520 stood out for me, I think I complained about a 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.560 foul call or I said something to the effect of, 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:02.919 you know, to the ref right, I'm talking to the 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.520 ref man called the file man. What the hell? Yeah? 0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:09.280 I look over sort of towards LaVar and then Tina 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.600 stands up. She has her hands on her hip. She 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:13.440 she had been staring at me for like five minutes. 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:17.800 She was looking at me, staring at it like it wasn't. 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:23.200 She was like, they ain't. No God found could be. 0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:25.840 And I tell you, and if you could see my face, 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.760 I looked at I looked at LaVar. I looked. I 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.880 looked at LaVar and I just started smiling. To put 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:33.960 my hand down, I'm like, oh, like, I'm sorry because 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.480 I have you know me, I have uproas respect for LaVar. 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.280 But that showed me. That showed me something amazing, and 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:45.080 that Mama Ball was willing to call would come at 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.159 me like that. What are you talk about though, the 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.320 Ball Brothers this year? I don't know, if you've got 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:53.280 a chance to check them out. The rebirth of a 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:57.960 Lonzo and and Mellow have have reinvigorated both of those franchises. 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:00.159 They're both looking like they're gonna make the playoffs. Just 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.040 talk a little bit about the Ball Brothers. I mean, 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:05.199 it's time, you know what, what I don't know if 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.439 it's manifestation or whatever it is. But a Lonzo, uh, 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.520 I mean, Pop's got to be looking like a genius 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.760 right now, you know what I mean? All this stuff that, 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:14.720 I think it was a lot on their play. But 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:16.879 one thing we always said is that they was good, 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:18.679 you know what I mean. We didn't know if they 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:20.840 was gonna burn out and it was gonna be too much. 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.240 But you know, with the basketball, park was good. We 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:26.440 wasn't worried about the jam shot and things that the 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.159 pundits and the people talk about, how you got to 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.280 get his shot pocket together. He was still busting everybody's 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.800 ass on the n C double A level all throughout 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.399 high school and he's continue to do it as a pro. 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.280 Now as a pro, obviously you're gonna refine your mechanics 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:42.560 and it's gonna look even better Twitter. But I think 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.560 we predicted this, you know what I mean. We knew 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.760 a Lonzo was gonna be what he was, and we 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.520 knew LaMelo was a basketball survived and then he put 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:51.640 the you know, the gross fur on the top of it. 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.719 And watching what Big Bro had to go through and 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:56.880 the and the other one going through what he did 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:58.800 at U C. L A and how he's trying to 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:01.720 find his way. I think it's a perfect shield that 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.119 Ball family crest. I think it's amazing the cloth that 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.080 Moms is cut from, even the cloth that Pops was 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:09.880 cut from. Although it wasn't you know what I mean, 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.280 the vehicle weren't necessarily want to see it was the 0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.560 one that worked. That ship is working, you know, I mean, 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:17.880 he got his baby boys cracking, you know what I mean? 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:19.960 There is able to provide, you know, a good life 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:21.679 for their family, to take care of their mom and 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:26.520 dad and a big ball uh advocate as to where 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.560 sometimes I used to be like, h you know what 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.360 I mean, Pops is a lie and sometimes he was bussing, 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.720 but he was able to cook get all up, you 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:37.840 know what I mean. It really makes something special and 0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.440 I couldn't be it couldn't happen. And they're good kids. Yeah, 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:42.920 they're cool. They're cool kids. Man. They're really just about 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:45.280 their hooping, their parents and their fans. So you know 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.439 what I mean. The Pioneers Transsectors you work for the 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:51.840 you know, the bbb UH group, you know what I mean. 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:53.919 You can attest to where they're at with their business 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.080 and how pioneering they were with their ways, and I 0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.280 could be more happy for him as a as a father, 0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:01.840 and as a guy who you know, has a sign, 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.280 who's taking about playing basketball, the sports, you know what 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:06.480 I mean. It's just been amazing to watch. I'm happy 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.200 for I think it's one of the most fascinating things 0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.679 that we've seen in the history of athletics. To be 0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:16.080 honest with you, because it's one thing to call your 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.119 shot if you're the Babe Ruth or if you're you know, 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.400 Joe Damith and this and that. But LaVar basically called 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:24.640 his shot twice. He basically told you he was gonna 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.560 have a top five draft pick. And I know he 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:29.760 said it about all three. But when you get two 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.240 out of three that are five draft picks, my man, 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:38.240 top three draft picks, Okay, two sons from Chino Hills, California, 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:43.040 It's unbelievable. It's mind boggling. And because of how brazen 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:45.400 he was. And I know people they have their thoughts 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.320 and Lavars and acquired Tascy. I grew up around the 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:50.520 balls and so I grew up in that era. So 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:53.360 I'm used to all that stuff that y'all energy. Yeah, 0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.720 I'm not intimidate. That's that energy that people are intimidated by. 0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.920 I get it. I'm rolling with it even to the point. 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.120 And when I had the opportunity to coach on the 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:06.040 j b A, which was the league that LaVar started 0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:08.200 for LaMelo in two thousand and eighteen. It was a 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.600 barnstorm and tour. We had eight teams. We traveled the 0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:17.160 country coast to coast, cities Dallas, Solid accommodations man, solid 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:21.280 travel arrangements, solid everything right. Facebook had a camera crew 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:24.240 that was following us. Our games were telegrass on Facebook Live. 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:26.840 When you look back on that situation, it was like, Wow, 0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:31.120 and we're playing forty eight minute quarters LaMelo. Look, LaMelo 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:34.000 is playing the whole game. We're playing back to backs. Look, 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:36.880 we're doing stuff like we're being Texas play a game. 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.920 They had to fly to Seattle play another game tomorrow 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.000 the next night. I mean, so look and so it's 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:44.640 but to see LaVar. LaVar is just the ultimate dad, 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.400 like sports dad to do that. He created a league 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.120 for your son. And at the time when hey, at 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:52.520 the time when he had launched it, you know, everybody 0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:55.400 it was maligned. Everybody was poop ping it. Everybody was 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:57.320 talking crap about it. They're like, Chris, why are you 0:29:57.360 --> 0:29:59.280 even involved in something like that. I'm kind of like, well, 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.040 I see the future. I'm not necessarily stuck in what 0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.000 you guys see because I've never really seen things like 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.080 you guys did, so I'm kind of looking at this 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.800 as from a developmental standpoint. I know that LaMelo is 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.640 gonna get some reps against older dudes for the next 0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.320 four That's what I said three or four. You're gonna 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.760 play against older dudes. You play against older dudes that 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:19.760 are better than you, that are stronger than youth, faster 0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:22.080 than you. And then the kid went to Lithuania and 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.360 his journey is well documented, but that was one of 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.440 the first little uh moments in his career where I said, man, 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.520 this guy is built and wired differently. I mean I 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.640 saw him. I saw him go for fifty and twenty 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.600 one assists in eighteen rebounds, Like I see these numbers, right, 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.960 And people were like, oh, look who it's against. It's 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.120 not against nobody. But I'm like, you guys don't understand 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.840 basketball to be able to get fifty something points twenty 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.200 something rebounds against guys that could have went to college 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.160 or went to college. That's all I need to know 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.960 that I've seen. I've seen the talent in the league line. 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.880 So you know, we know basketball players and we know 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.960 when to respect a performance or a string of performances. Again, 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.680 certain type of dudes. Absolutely, just because you these just 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:05.640 because you never heard their name, or just because you 0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:07.960 don't know they resumeate it don't mean that you have 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.680 the ability to discern whether or not they can play 0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.640 the game. I'm just letting y'all know. It's a different 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.960 it's that it's that I line. But but again, we 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.440 can walk and we can walk into gym where the 0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:21.640 top fifty is playing, and we can look at the 0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.240 court and be just be be staring at the top 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:28.720 fifty court and be like, well, who is that he 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.280 need to be over here? He need? Yeah, I don't 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:33.320 know why he over there? And then this is going 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.480 on because I can pick three off of this court 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.440 right now that he should be over You know, like 0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.200 you said, we're real life basketball players and just spend 0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:44.600 a lot of time watching basketball, scouting, basketball preaching and 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.640 you know what I mean, coaching and you know, to 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.280 the younger generations and working on it and you come 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:53.520 from a long a royal basketball bloodline. You know what 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.840 I mean with your father at the end of the day, 0:31:56.880 --> 0:31:58.360 so you know what I mean. It's always been a 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.200 second hand to us. And you know what I mean, 0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.520 Like you said, it's about time that you know what 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.960 I mean, people that know the game can actually speak 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:08.280 on it and like identify what a great player is 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.720 without looking at the top one hundred? Do you miss 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:14.600 it at all? Aline? I saw you in a workout 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.880 with your son the other day getting it here. You're 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:19.680 still get the stance a little bit, you still have 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.560 some lateral movement. Do you do you do you ever 0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.200 sit back and say, do you ever just miss it 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.560 at all? Where you're just like, dang man, I missed 0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.720 this game? Or are you at peace with where you 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.640 are and the game? When the game of basketball? I'm 0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:38.360 not peace, But I do miss the psychotic competitive nets. 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.760 Do miss the moments that will make you just want 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:44.960 to you know what I mean? You know what I 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.160 mean with all the slow motion things where you see 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:51.160 people tensed up, screaming and damn near slobbering or looking 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:55.760 at the floor. I do miss those psychotic, uh competitive 0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.840 moments where you can scream and get those moments out 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.640 because you know, I mean, those are your flowers in 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.240 that instant because when you're when you when you're an athlete, 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.680 you know you're onto the next game, the next moment. 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.600 When you see players have those moments that end up 0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:12.320 means and all this crazy ship we end up ingesting 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:16.680 for the next decade, it's really that psychotic competitiveness and 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.560 that release from your hard work paying off or you know, 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.080 I mean going through adversity in the game to get 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.280 an am one. I don't care if you're a shifty 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:27.680 feet throw player you made two in a row and 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.640 you want to do some ship to the crowd, or 0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:31.360 you know what, I mean, to do something to yourself. 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.560 I just missed those moments. But I'm definitely at peace 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:39.640 because I know my generation of basketball was one of 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.560 the greatest ever and for for me to be mentioned, 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:46.000 and I've talked to a couple of players, my peers 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:47.800 and some of the O g s for them to 0:33:48.360 --> 0:33:51.320 mention me and talk about my career and everything, it 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:53.040 really puts me at peace. But like I think I 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.720 talked about that before on the show, I didn't really 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:58.080 get that piece till you know, like five or six 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.120 years ago or maybe even and the time before that, 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.080 those dudes that helped me was KG. So I mean, 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:08.520 I'm I'm at peace, but I do miss the psychotic competitiveness. Yeah, man, 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:11.839 I missed the game. Man, I missed it a lot. 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.680 I felt like I I, you know, my career ended 0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.640 too early. I had to retire because of the injury 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.480 and throw out my back and Hinea with Jr playing 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.000 on with j R. Henderson playing the same, he brought 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:23.840 me over there and throw out my back. I was 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:25.680 gonna play with him in Japan for a year. Man, 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.319 make about three to three hundred thousand bros. Like a 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:31.759 nice little set up twelve months, six business class to 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.640 and from l A a year. Dog. I was like, 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.759 look this is but through my back up. But I 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.239 think the thing I missed the most line is God man, 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.000 it's gonna sound crazy and cocky and arrogant, but just 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.440 the feeling of when you bust somebody's ass, when you 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:47.680 hit a three, when you hit a deep three on 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.720 somebody after maybe through the leg, through the leg heavy, 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.239 and then you just raise it and then that that 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.879 moment right line when you're holding the funnel through you're 0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:59.880 holding you had a nice one you had, and he 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.840 he's contesting, and you're just sitting there like, hey, you 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:05.160 ain't ain't nothing you could do. Those are the moments 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:09.279 that I also missed, those pressurized moments when we need 0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.560 to be hey, when we need a bucket, or we 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.480 need an offensive rebound on on the free throw. Hey, 0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:15.920 we need to offer as the rebounding the free throw. 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.880 So we gotta come in early and hook somebody arm 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.319 and get underneath somebody and route them underneath it. So 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:26.439 we got yeah, yeah, man, yeah, little things like when 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:28.560 then and then somebody else got to make sure the 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.560 other dude don't crash, you know, and stuff is a 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.359 little Yeah, that's a good point. But those locked in 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.200 moments when you know it's four seconds laughing, you know, 0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:40.279 Coachack or somebody like, we know it's the ship gonna work. 0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.640 We're just waiting for it to uh to go through. 0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:44.920 At the end of the day, those moments, man, and 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.319 like at the end of the day lull you. That's 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:49.520 why you got those moments. You know, the game was 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.920 taken away from me to and like a similar fashion, 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:56.680 not through injury, but partly through injury. But I think 0:35:56.719 --> 0:36:00.719 those moments that ship don't happen to people at the 0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:02.799 end of the day and nobody locking in with their 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.640 side hops trying to win a game with sixteen thousand, 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.759 you know what I mean, eyes on them hoping they're 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.600 gonna fail, and then some people expecting them to win. 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.040 Like that's not a real thing that happens in life. 0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:15.520 You know what I mean. That you go through with 0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.440 your company. You know that even if you go to 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.640 college with somebody. I guess y'all can do that on 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:25.800 the Calculus test for you know what I mean. You 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:27.319 know that was a hell of a test. You know 0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.239 what you mean. YadA YadA, YadA, you know what I mean. 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.560 Or if you're a Sigma, can cheat and you go 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:35.359 to the whatever dance that's the under the Enchantment under 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.359 the Sea dance, and you know you can do that 0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.279 type of Earth angel you know what I mean, You're 0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.759 Earth angeling, you know what I mean. But nobody is 0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:47.279 inside a Polly pavilion, you know what I mean, with 0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:52.439 the expectations of winning for the national title contender every 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.840 year and going through that with lifelong friends. So I 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:59.040 hope that sometimes when you down in those moments, you 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:04.359 remember that ship playing the guitar and meeting people people, right, 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.520 you know what I mean? Because that, uh, that eventually 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.440 evolved you into the carriage that we're saying now and 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:14.919 why you got a successful podcast on my heart brother. Yeah. Yeah, 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:18.520 that's the whole part of this. And you really hit 0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:23.040 on something very very special and important because it is true. 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:27.080 It is those experiences that do keep you going. They 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.239 reinvigorated me. Man. I was at a low point. Man, 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.760 I was tripping out back, I was going through the pandemic, 0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:35.360 all kind of drama. But then I decided for to 0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.640 reach out and started to reconnect with folks again. Man 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:44.000 started hollering at everybody. Hold on, Man. It was in 0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:45.799 the middle of the pandemic. Man and I had been 0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.560 watching Fat Joe's podcast, and he had been He had 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.640 a great episode on there one time where he brought 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.440 in young lady by the name is Cheryl from s 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.680 w V the group s w V Coco. But her 0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:59.439 name is Cheryl Life Coco. Right, So but I didn't 0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.560 I had no did I. Fat Joe and Sheryl grew 0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:05.359 up on the same block, the same hood they grew 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:07.880 up in, like Bronx River, New York Line, and so 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:10.040 they had this whole relationship. So they were talking about 0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:12.839 how when when each one made it big, they would 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.759 be like so proud, and if they you know, when 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:16.920 they ran into each other over the years, how crazy 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:19.319 it was two kids. So that kind of made me. 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:20.960 It touched me, man. So I was like, Man, let 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:23.360 me holler at my my folks. Man, it's been a minute. 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.279 I ain't seeing nobody. I didn't talk to nobody, And 0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.399 so I started reaching out all over the world, man, 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.520 to all of y'all here, to my different networks of 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:35.040 individuals that crossed my path over the course of my life. 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.080 And I'm thankful for each and every one of you, man, 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:41.200 and and and and like to your point, it does 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.640 help you in the end, man, when you remember, you 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:47.160 that your net work is your net worth, brother, and 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.040 so you gotta always keep that type of stuff in mind. 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:50.640 And it's a net worth in your soul too, man, 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:53.239 because when you get disconnected from the family, man, you 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:57.000 start to lack and lose certain parts of your identity. Man, 0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.600 you're in there talking into you, in there talking into yourself, 0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:02.279 because into yourself that your bullshit is right. When you 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.680 are three time, you be on bullshit and you know 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:09.240 myself included, you know what I mean. You're intelligent, introspective people. 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.680 Sometimes you know, we beat ourselves up, you know what 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.600 I mean. So you know, uh, at the end of 0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:17.600 the day, I think it's up for us to acknowledge that, 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:18.960 you know what I mean, as we start to grow 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:21.040 older and just like you know what I mean, not 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.200 have those moments. And you know, remember the positive as 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:26.759 well as a negative. It's a it's a beat us 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:28.719 all up. The pandemic beat us all up, you know 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.480 what I mean. But along with the pandemic came an 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:34.800 endless amount of opportunities for a short amount of time. 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:37.080 So that's one thing that I talked to you about, 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.359 you know what I mean. When you reached out, it's like, hey, 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.319 it will never be a time like this now. So 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:43.759 if you ever wanted to do something, do it now. 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:45.400 And you see that, you know what I mean, you 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.480 jumped on that opportunity that seemed like you said, that 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:50.239 seems to be only the thing you needed to hear. 0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.200 And ever since then, you know what I mean, you've 0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.480 been able to just progress and do the thing. This 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.279 is what you're supposed to be doing, So you know 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.320 what I mean, I'm glad that you were able to 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.880 take bits and pieces from what everybody else was saying 0:40:02.239 --> 0:40:04.760 and make the decision on your own, because it's easy 0:40:04.800 --> 0:40:07.160 to listen to people but still be locked off in 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.680 the room and isolated. And now, you know what I mean, 0:40:09.680 --> 0:40:11.560 it's still not doing nothing, but you made so you 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:13.600 put some action to it, you know what I mean. 0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:17.080 And I think during the pandemic, people who put some 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.960 action behind some of their fears and anxieties and like effort, 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:23.319 I'm gonna do it, scared. I think they're gonna reward it, 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:25.120 you know what I mean, coming into the new year. 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.520 And I think you are uh and and and a 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:30.040 lot of other people in our group, they're truly genuine 0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:33.800 support each other, not the bullshit, not the Instagram likes 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.000 and reposts, you know what I mean. People that make 0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:38.799 calls and support you. You know you called and say 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:42.239 congratulate solon solar. Wait, real quick, real quick. You think 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:45.840 there's a difference in in the level of support between 0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:49.239 someone that made someone So two people are friends, right, 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.840 you got two friends one A friend A friend B. 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:56.280 Friend A calls you, friend B hits you on the internet, 0:40:56.400 --> 0:41:00.279 like gives you the hands up, shouts out, celebratory. They 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:04.879 both have the same amount of emotion of happiness for you. Yeah, 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.640 is there is there a difference now or do you 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:12.600 appreciate it more because you're sort of old school. That's 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.239 a great That's one of your better kJ. This is 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.799 one of the better kJ Live question. Um, and I 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:21.560 would say the easiest way and be like, it's a hybrid, 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.359 you know what I mean. That would be the easy way. 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.760 It's the easy way. I think it's a mix above crash. 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:33.200 But hey, nah, for real, we lost people, we lost code. 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:37.439 I lost a friend and lost some people. So call 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.360 me man. If it's truly about support and love, you 0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:42.800 know what I mean. It could be a funny style text, 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:44.120 you know what I mean. We can joke in and 0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:47.759 necessarily gotta be man, my brother, congratulations and all. Yo. 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:49.520 It could be like oh, I see you know what 0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:51.399 I mean, or whatever it is, you know what I mean, 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.160 Like hit somebody enough for the social media and the 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.719 liking or the reposting, because you know what I mean, 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:02.040 Like even that long story story, hit somebody, you know 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.560 what I mean. We at the time and age and 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:05.520 maybe I am older, you know what I mean. I 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.120 don't want to date myself or eggs myself. But we 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.680 at a time right right now where I appreciate the 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.160 people that actually hit me on my line and show 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.080 me supporting love, because that's what I do, you know 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:18.840 what I mean. I'll probably do both, you know what 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.960 I mean? If you really, if I know your Instagram guy, 0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.960 and you really praise value on that, you know what 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.160 I mean, in the in the marathon or with the 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:31.680 raide real when you stop, Oh my god, you know 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:34.120 I'm gonna trying to give you a Drake quote or 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.040 whatever that is because you praise value on that. But really, 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:38.480 you know what I mean. Like you, I'm gonna pray, 0:42:38.600 --> 0:42:40.600 but you can hit me and be like about love. 0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:42.160 You could be like, hit me and post this for 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.120 me dog, and I'm gonna post it for you, you you 0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:45.520 know what I mean, you know, and I'm gonna put 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.440 something nice behind it, you know what I mean. But 0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:50.719 I only do that to support you. I really could 0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:53.239 give a ship about Instagram, and you know what I mean, 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.680 being you know what I mean, supporting in that way, 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.239 I really just put up and eat some nachos, you 0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:00.960 know what I mean. And you ain't even really got 0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:03.920 to talk about congratulations. Really just about breaking bread and 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.279 being around that energy. Absolutely, energy is what it's all about. 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:12.160 Is I've gotten older, start to realize, man, protecting your energy. Yeah, 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:16.719 being understanding of energy suckers, the vampires that are out 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:20.040 here that will jack you and your whole thing and 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.080 your folk. I even protected some of my folks energy. 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:25.080 If I know you're sensitive, or I know you said 0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:27.480 wear soft up under the belly, or just if I 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.000 got a bunch of good people around and somebody else 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:33.040 is bringing some negative ship, you know, I'll attack it. 0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:35.120 You know, I'll make you leave. You know what I mean, 0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.879 I'll make you feel like you're not wanted so that 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.760 you can leave. You know, so you you you actually 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:43.719 you're that serious about your energy. You protect your energy 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.640 all costs. So you will remove a person from your 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:51.040 situation or attempt to or do what you can to 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.319 remove them situation if they're energy is off. Now what 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:58.720 defines bad energy? Though? You gotta be responsible for your energy. 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.080 So sometimes it's things id right, you know what I mean. 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:04.319 Sometimes people are just a little anxious. You know. It's 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:05.799 like I'm not that anxious, but I got a little 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:07.320 bit more chills at me. I'm from Cali. You know 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:08.680 what I mean. I ain't on all that ship, you 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:11.120 know what I mean. And then you know what I mean, 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:15.080 there's some people who are envious and they ask envious questions. 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:16.879 You know, the people right close to you that are 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:20.000 unhealthy to accept your success even though you're trying to 0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:24.239 bring them along with you. Yeah, it's complicated, you know 0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:27.560 what I mean. These things is complicated around. So I 0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:30.439 just made it a point to poke the eye out 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.600 of of of of all that type of energy. And 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.040 if it means I gotta be nasty to protect the 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.080 good people that I'm around, because I think I talked 0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:41.480 about that. I'm cocky about the people that I'm around 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.080 because they're great people, not because of their success. It's 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:49.480 because they're legitimately great fathers. They're legitimately great people, you 0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:51.960 know what I mean. They care about people. So I 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.080 don't want because I'm a bigger guy. We we've always 0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.120 been like this. We've always been on the bigger mouth side. 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.480 We can go there, we can play nasty, going back 0:45:00.480 --> 0:45:03.200 and back and forth with somebody. Everybody ain't built like that. 0:45:03.320 --> 0:45:06.720 So I'm kind of aggressive. So I use that aggressiveness 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:09.720 to protect people. I love and to protect the energy, 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:11.520 you know what I mean. Other besides that, you probably 0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.319 ain't gonna ever hear from me. You might think something 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.719 wrong with me. Probably gonna be enjoyed or you know, 0:45:15.880 --> 0:45:18.200 some some brown water and some cannabis. I'm probably just 0:45:18.200 --> 0:45:20.680 gonna be in the cut blinking and staring and watching 0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:22.239 ship because that's what I like to do on my 0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:25.040 people watching and you know, that's just my vibe. But 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.799 if it's a it's it's about bid energy and it's 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.759 my family or my people around, then I'm probably gonna 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:36.040 be an asshole. What's brown water whiskey? You know what 0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:38.200 I mean? In my old fashioned I wanted to know 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:41.040 you for somebody that that partakes not you know, you 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:42.960 don't drink that much, but but you do drink. You 0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:47.240 do drink when it's the opportunity or the occasion. Yeah, 0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:51.279 it's proper to drink. How is it that you've managed 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:58.000 to keep the weight off. You've got skinnier than from 0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:01.480 the muscle mass. Yeah you skinner. You look skinnier as 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:04.200 a human being, uh now than you did when I 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.919 knew what I know you from back in the day. Bro. Yeah, Bro, 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:09.080 I lost hell of muscle mass and I eat to 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.839 my activity level. And I really don't drink unless I'm 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:13.920 gonna see y'all were not do I'm gonna turn up, 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:15.680 you know what I mean. But if you don't drink 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.080 like that, yeah, yeah, but if it's with it was 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:20.040 was fan, But I don't drink like that. And I 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:21.719 just try to do something every day. I got the 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.040 ship from you, you know what I mean, at the 0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.440 end of the day. You always doing something on the 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.200 body instead of when I noticed there's something I don't 0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:30.759 like about my body, you know what I mean, I 0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:33.399 just go work on it. Yeah, instantly. If I got time, 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.120 it's like I ain't really feeling it, and I go around. 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:38.359 I used that to go around or all going here 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:40.799 on the peloton, you know what I mean, and take 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.640 like an hour class and then do another stretching. So 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.080 I just try to keep it moving whenever I start 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:49.080 getting locked or I feel like stagnant or I don't 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:51.319 like something. You know, we we get older, you know, 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.400 ships starting to sag. You know, are you looking at 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:54.879 your ship? You know I didn't know that was there, 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.520 you know, grays, whatever it is, I just attack it 0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:00.239 where I lean into it. I'm never gonna die anything. 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:02.799 I love my grays. I can't wait till it all 0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:04.360 turns white, you know what I mean. And I'm just 0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:07.239 pretty much comfortable with my own skin. But as far 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.040 as just fitness and keeping weight off, it's probably they're 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.879 not drinking and eating it to my activity. But yeah, yeah, 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:15.160 because you're you know, I see you, I see you 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:17.480 and Ray. You guys are walking around your lu lu 0:47:17.560 --> 0:47:22.279 lu lumn and all your little fancy expensive sweat pans. 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.439 I gotta stand next to Ray, Hey, I gotta stand 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:30.879 next to telling my nerves. Man. A couple of months ago, 0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:35.239 he put me up against it. He had this and 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.320 I looked at mine, and you know, my nipple was 0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:40.000 running towards towards my armpit a little bit, just a 0:47:40.000 --> 0:47:42.239 little bit, and I'm like, damn, man, Okay, I see 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:43.960 I can't stand next to Ray. Up. Just how we're 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:47.520 gonna play? So push ups every day on the ap 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.319 like that, okay, only feeling that? Okay, let me let 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:53.640 me make it. Let me do two hunting push up 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.160 from the sit ups every day on the app right, Ray, 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.440 Ray puts us to shame, Man, what do you what 0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:01.160 did you get up at five in the morning, does yoga, 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:05.880 he run, he's he looks for those. Let's get the 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:08.160 description of this guy. How old is Ray thirty six 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:14.319 thirty second yea forty years old. He looks like he's 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:18.080 about twenty two. He's like a muscle muscle bound, just buff, 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:21.280 light skinned, green eyed dude from the town, Your typical 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:26.279 classic town. He's been walking on his tippytoes and he's 0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:30.040 been about ten years old. His calfs are ridiculous dog, 0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:34.040 ridiculous calf like. He's known by the calf bro good. 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:38.040 We love, we love Ray, We love when you get 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:40.120 Ray shot. Also wanted to give him our guy, be 0:48:40.280 --> 0:48:43.040 Lloyd shout out. I was actually with Brandon down to 0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:46.560 the day. Goo uh. He's a loyal, dedicated listener of 0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:49.760 the show. Here. I know he's gonna really look forward 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:54.120 to hearing this one and he's gonna be leave my room. Man. Yeah, man, 0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.239 that's our guy. So I wanted to shout him out, man. 0:48:56.239 --> 0:49:00.920 But yeah, that's it all right. So let's get to 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:03.719 the story about Brandon and the Jesus sand because look, 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:06.759 when you bring up stuff like that, we have to 0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:10.480 talk about it. First of all, Brandon Lloyd's from Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okay, 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.560 came out to l A on his recruiting trip. Right 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.239 he comes to U C l A. I think me 0:49:15.320 --> 0:49:18.680 and yours. I forgot who hosted him, but it was 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:22.080 my years, so I think it was on you. Was 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.160 it on your visit? I remember? I don't know so. 0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:27.719 But then, so what's the story. What's it on his notes? 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:32.319 That's Carlos at the campus. No, that's Carlos Boozer. I'm 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:35.560 thinking about the Buren Stocks, the Birkin Stocks on the 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:39.680 physics the first first day the campus, when we was 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:42.359 all together on the on the team and some non 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:48.200 burking Stocks off brand sandals. The Jesus said, man, that 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:51.520 was that was back when Lloyd had when Lloyd's toads 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:58.040 wearing green. Oh, he said, Lloyd showed up looking a 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.520 lot like Ray Young, but the white version. Don't sleep. 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:03.759 I'll be Lloyd used to looking like a little tail back. Yeah, 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:07.600 Lloyd was Lloyd. Lloyd was one of the most obsessive 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:11.120 people with his weight and his his body looked. I mean, 0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:14.080 he was obsessive. I'll never forget how cut he got. 0:50:14.120 --> 0:50:17.359 I think his junior year did he started wearing tight 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.920 jeans and going to the Sentry Club with us. Yeah, 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:24.920 he got exposed in he changed Lloyd. Shout out to 0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:28.200 Lloyd all this beautiful wife and his beautiful kids down 0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.760 and San Diego. Man. But it's always nice to remember 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:34.440 the times. Man. Are U c l A experienced line 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:39.160 was one that was pretty legendary. Uh. We talked about 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:42.839 numerous things about it before. But but one thing I 0:50:42.880 --> 0:50:45.760 wanted to bring up. I don't think we've talked about before. 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.920 Um dry our our time, right, I wanted to know 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:54.960 and just to be completely honest from a life skills perspective, Right, 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:59.040 did you learn anything when you and I had to 0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:01.000 go through our little counts a link situation where we 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:04.160 got in trouble? Did you learn anything from Dr Geen? 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.759 Did you take like for later in life? Because she 0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:09.200 could always tell us. Look, Magelanni had to see the same. 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.040 I think she was a psychiatrists or a counselor type 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:14.640 of lady. We got into that. We got in trouble 0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:16.360 at U c l A. You know, we got I 0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:18.560 think we failed a drug test smoking a little bit 0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:22.160 too much mirror or something like or something like that. 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.920 We were early on the cannabis movement. We were advocating 0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:27.840 early we're ahead of the curve, and we got popped 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.080 and we had we had to go through sort of 0:51:30.120 --> 0:51:33.120 this you know, rehabilitation program. And we're gonna be upfront 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:37.440 and honest about this because for me personally, my meetings 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:42.000 with Dr Gene Lovely Lady was really frank, honest and 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:45.400 upfront about everything. Didn't pull any punches right, would just 0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.319 tell you about yourself in a such a smart, intelligent way. 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:52.720 You had no you had no choice but to listen. 0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:58.400 And I think that my time with her and talking 0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:01.400 to her, those all those dates him twelve fourteen weeks, 0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:03.920 whatever it was, I think that was some life changing 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:07.040 stuff for me. Yeah, loco, Yeah it was. You know 0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.760 what I mean. It shout out to Dr Jean Jeane 0:52:09.760 --> 0:52:12.520 wherever you are. You know what I mean, because only 0:52:12.640 --> 0:52:16.320 did when when when I got older, When I got older, 0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:18.920 not in my thirties, but just as I got away 0:52:18.920 --> 0:52:20.840 from U C. L A. I saw the work that 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:22.839 she did for us, you know what I mean? Uh? 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:25.480 And And that's how it's a hats off to how 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.319 great she was because we didn't know the blessing that 0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:30.239 she was giving us at the time because of what 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.759 we were going through. But she did really do a 0:52:32.760 --> 0:52:35.359 good job preparing for us for what was next. And 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.200 I don't know what happens if we have a different 0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:42.359 psychologist or whatever legl she as if if it's not 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:46.319 very different, because the one of the big part of 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:48.799 everything was showing up and going. And I know that 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:51.840 if it was anyone else that I would not have 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:55.879 been motivated to go. I sort of developed not I won't. 0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.040 I call it a not an addiction, but I needed 0:52:58.080 --> 0:52:59.879 to see g but I needed to go see the ERG. 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:02.200 I wanted to go talk to her because I loved 0:53:02.200 --> 0:53:05.040 our last conversation and she did that like fourteen times 0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:08.120 in a row. She was definitely someone that gave me 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:12.399 some life coping skills, some you know, tools to deal 0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:15.120 with you know whatever issues that were at the at 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:18.680 the root of sort of my learning issue. But again, 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.000 and that leads me into my last question man about 0:53:21.040 --> 0:53:23.399 mental health man, because we can talk about this all 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.920 the timeline and we get deep into it. And when 0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:28.839 you see a guy like Delonte West who who fell 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:32.399 and who fell off the wagon and you know, got 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.480 a little bit of trouble, we're hoping the best for him, 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:38.440 and you see other guys x NBA guys retired athletes 0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:44.840 that you know put themselves in interesting predicaments or situations. 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:48.680 What do you think you can do or NBA lumni 0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:53.439 can do to help support their other NBA bretern that 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:56.280 have fallen on hard times. And man, get the bros 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:59.240 out of the house. If you gotta if you gotta 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.360 found ation and you got a game, you know what 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:03.960 I mean, You got a golf game, you got anything 0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.240 that you're doing. Find good ways to get the bros 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:08.960 out of the house to attend the sporting event, a 0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:15.480 Rams game, a Panthers game that a lot like what 0:54:15.600 --> 0:54:17.399 we talked about it and get you out of your 0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:19.759 head and you know what I mean, help you reassess 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.320 in a in a live situation better. Because if you 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.279 just at the crib which your sorrow is buried underneath, 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:28.239 you know your bs, you forget that life is moving 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:31.600 around outside and there's still opportunities. And if you've got 0:54:31.640 --> 0:54:33.319 some good friends, you know what I mean, they want 0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:35.239 to help you out. They might be waiting on you 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:38.200 to hand you an opportunity or to see if you're 0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:41.319 healthy enough to accept the blessing. So if you if 0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:43.279 you're gonna keep yourself hidden a way, you know what 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:45.880 I mean. It's a fifty fifty thing. You might be 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:47.840 able to you know what I mean, get out of 0:54:47.880 --> 0:54:49.960 that rut. You might be able to not. But if 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:51.840 we can just get each other out of the house, 0:54:51.920 --> 0:54:54.400 you know what I mean. People got wives, you know, kids, 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.960 you know, whatever it is, health retreats. We should all 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.440 be going somewhere every quarter or whatever. We talked. We 0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:02.680 talked about doing that. Yeah, yeah, that we need to 0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:04.800 start that because it's a real thing, you know what 0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:07.560 I mean. Every people got stressful jobs, people in different 0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:09.799 places in their life. And I think once we come 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:12.480 together at that, you know what I mean, and build 0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:14.840 and then send each other back and then come back 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:17.800 with information and oh this is great, you know what 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:19.680 I mean, I appreciate and then you send each other 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:21.880 back and we just keep coming back. And you know 0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:25.880 that's how you know, the black community and even what 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:27.920 I'm just speak to the black community because a lot 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:29.960 of us are black athletes, and you know they're going 0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:32.120 through this something. That's what we did in the first place, 0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:35.920 arm arm each other up, sending back out, you know 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:38.279 what I mean, bringing back Oh this is going on 0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:40.360 over here. They're doing it this way over here, and 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:42.640 so and so said this. I found this guy who 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:45.680 said that help us out, because that's what our uh 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:49.040 they're not even rivals, that's what the other side is doing. 0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.360 And I mean I mean that in the most respectful 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:53.480 type of way. You know what I mean. I mean 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:55.600 the other side. I mean the guys that didn't come 0:55:55.640 --> 0:55:59.719 from our neighborhoods and get scholarships or have an opportunity 0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:01.640 to for just paid in the NBA and do all 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:04.200 this scrap ships. So I just think if we get 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:08.319 each other out of the house, commune, break bread, send 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:10.319 each other back out, you know what I mean, check 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:12.000 off on each other, I think will be a lot 0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:13.839 better because, like you said, there's a lot of guys 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:15.960 in the crib just in their head. I agreed. I've 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:17.839 seen it work. I've seen it work in real time 0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:21.640 with our unit, right, So it worked. It worked. It's 0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:28.880 a pretty dynamic, interesting unit. And we got NBA coaches, agents, CEOs, entrepreneurs, 0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:33.600 people in the media space. Long the egos, the egos 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:35.279 in that room, and when I walk in the room 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:37.799 with you guys, man, you guys egos are incorrect. All 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:41.040 you NBA guys, Oh, man, I hate it. It sucks 0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:43.440 like I have to like fight to get word. I 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.080 have to fight to get a word, to fight to 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:51.040 get a word with you, cocky poppas NBA dudes. Now LNS, 0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:54.440 you know what I mean, the LNS, the term I 0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:56.680 ain't gonna let it fly, y'all gotta do he gotta 0:56:56.719 --> 0:57:00.520 he gotta unbuild it. He desires out you with the 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:05.239 Aproman stands for as it correlates to this particular situation. 0:57:05.360 --> 0:57:09.239 But yes, he has a whole line of products you know, 0:57:09.760 --> 0:57:13.240 with LNS on it correlates to these types of things. Yeah, 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.440 I'm gonna have a Instagram shop pretty soon too. I'm 0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:19.600 gonna get this thing going, my brother. Um. But at 0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.760 the end of the day, line, I'm excited for you. 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:25.000 I'm proud of you, man, I'm excited for all these 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:27.400 projects that you got coming up. Man, make sure that 0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:30.120 you know you keep us updated on the show about 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.439 anything new that development. Would love to have you back, 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:36.280 my brother. Uh, thank you so much for your time 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:38.680 to thank you. Want to give anybody any shot outs 0:57:38.720 --> 0:57:41.440 before we go, man, I'm gonna going to give a 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:44.120 shout out to Joanna McCoy and my wife who has 0:57:44.120 --> 0:57:46.400 been holding it down, you know where, for you've known 0:57:46.400 --> 0:57:49.680 there since she was sixteen years old. So I don't 0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:51.880 never really give her a shout out of her flowers. 0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:54.040 I don't really give myself a shout out at to much. 0:57:54.040 --> 0:57:57.240 But she deserves a lot of credit for being able 0:57:57.280 --> 0:57:58.600 to put up with me and to be able to 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:00.840 do some of this stuff. And then shout out to 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:03.520 brother Barnes and Stephen Jackson, you know what I mean 0:58:03.680 --> 0:58:07.080 for trusting me. You know what I mean with this opportunity, 0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:09.000 And shout out to you man, you know what I mean, 0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:13.200 Joe Siyah, Yes, Sir, y'r sir, appreciate you, my man. 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:14.919 Joannie McCoy, I'm kJ Live