Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris john Silli and Chritis
Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and
Speaker 1: entertainment in a straight Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now
Speaker 1: tuned them to kJ B Live. Today's guest on the
Speaker 1: show as a retired NBA veteran, a former U s
Speaker 1: A brow who led the nation in food goal percentage
Speaker 1: two years in a row. This kid is from You're
Speaker 1: Not a Kid Anymore, San Diego, California, and was recently
Speaker 1: named to the team over a showtime Basketball. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk to him today about his transition into the world
Speaker 1: of digital media, content creation, and filmmaking. Retired NBA player
Speaker 1: Gelottie McCoy is in the building. What's up, big Line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're live again, back on kJ Live. We live, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I live right, We live anyway, whether it's live or not,
Speaker 1: we live anyway. We're always live. Line. You know this.
Speaker 1: You were You've been with me since the inception of
Speaker 1: kJ Live several months ago. One of my very first interviews.
Speaker 1: You're very much responsible for helping getting me comfortable and
Speaker 1: on the ones and twos and in front of this
Speaker 1: thing right here. My man and I always appreciate you,
Speaker 1: and I always love your introspection and the thoughtfulness and
Speaker 1: mindfulness of the way that you go about your business
Speaker 1: and thought process. But I wanted to talk to you,
Speaker 1: my brother, because man, you're doing some real nice stuff,
Speaker 1: stuff that I didn't even see coming. I was just
Speaker 1: with you a couple of weeks ago for a dog
Speaker 1: conference in San Diego. You didn't even tell me you
Speaker 1: get me, No yet you get you did not let
Speaker 1: the cat out the bag. But talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the new position you were recently named with Showtime Basketball.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I can't you know I always keep your
Speaker 1: cat in the back. You know, I'm I'm likely you
Speaker 1: know I'd like to move around in the Star Wars
Speaker 1: secrecy and just do things. But um, after like a
Speaker 1: year long walking interview and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: some sacrificing and some you know, some long nights, I
Speaker 1: was able to agree to take a deal with Showtime
Speaker 1: as a concurrent content creator excuse me, producer across all
Speaker 1: the Smoke and all Showtime Basketball. So I mean, it's
Speaker 1: been a long time in the making. I've always been
Speaker 1: a fan of Showtime since soft porn when I was
Speaker 1: in in my my parents house. So you said soft porn,
Speaker 1: sopho wow wow, wow was known for softporn. I mean,
Speaker 1: but they've been doing a good job. They've been doing
Speaker 1: a good job on I'm telling athletes stories. You know,
Speaker 1: the uh, the the Alan Iverson doc, the Kobe doc,
Speaker 1: the DeMarcus Cousins doc. Um, there's so many other ones
Speaker 1: outside the basketball that you know they do a good
Speaker 1: job on. So Um, opportunity came upon my desk, and
Speaker 1: you know, uh, thanks to Matt and Stephen for trust
Speaker 1: in me and for pushing me to be a part
Speaker 1: of the team. We was able to make it come true.
Speaker 1: And what do you think it takes for a guy
Speaker 1: like yourself and retired NBA player that necessarily might have
Speaker 1: had the mind and the thirst and the one didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have the experience in this industry? What did it
Speaker 1: take for you to get up to speed and to
Speaker 1: be and to excel in this field? Um? Vulnerability, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And and and just surrendering into
Speaker 1: the moment and realizing that I'm not an authority, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Just like when we used to
Speaker 1: hoop when we was kid. You know, I just threw
Speaker 1: myself in it. You know what I mean. I just
Speaker 1: study everything. I've watched things. I know, the things that
Speaker 1: I liked, the style that I like. I started getting
Speaker 1: locked in the room and editors, learning about you know,
Speaker 1: transitions and you know what I mean, all the all
Speaker 1: the filmmaking. You know what I mean, words that you're
Speaker 1: gonna need to you know, I succeeded and I just
Speaker 1: started learning. And I've only ever cared about doing this
Speaker 1: ever since I made it decaision to do this instead
Speaker 1: of coaching. So every day, every day since then, it's
Speaker 1: been something advocated to making myself better and and you know,
Speaker 1: as a producer, as a filmmaker, as being in front
Speaker 1: of the camera, you know what I mean, helping you out,
Speaker 1: helping the fan out. We all got these outstanding voices
Speaker 1: that I feel like need to be heard, and now
Speaker 1: is a good time. So I've just been arming myself
Speaker 1: up and you know, being able to help you, help Mad,
Speaker 1: help Steven because we do a lot of stuff with
Speaker 1: the AI Classic. Um. So I've just been able to
Speaker 1: help people, and I think that's the most thing I
Speaker 1: get off of. I've armed myself and learned so much
Speaker 1: that I'm able to help my friends and be being
Speaker 1: able to be of value. So you know the people
Speaker 1: that look like us and my friends that I want
Speaker 1: to want to be in this industry. No, absolutely, but
Speaker 1: touching on helping and mentoring. Um, I remember when I
Speaker 1: first tried to get into the kind of the TV game,
Speaker 1: and you know I had I did a bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff back in the day. But when I first broke in,
Speaker 1: I got an internship sort of an apprenticeship with a
Speaker 1: producer over NBC Universe guy back named Dan Hicks. He
Speaker 1: kind of showed me the ropes. He got me comfortable
Speaker 1: in front of the camera doing stand ups, sitting in
Speaker 1: the studio. I mean he literally really just walked me through.
Speaker 1: We did a whole pilot that we pitched the USA Network.
Speaker 1: It was a whole situation that what was going on.
Speaker 1: But I can't thank him enough for the information and
Speaker 1: the knowledge he had parted upon me. I guess I
Speaker 1: want to know from you, did you have a mentor
Speaker 1: in this game? Is there somebody that that helped you
Speaker 1: show the ropes? Did you crowdsource this this knowledge that
Speaker 1: you that you get. I wanted a particular niece vibe,
Speaker 1: so I kind of a good good word too. Luck
Speaker 1: so I think I did crowdsource. You know Josh Secuma,
Speaker 1: our humble are, our honey, who we've worked a lot with,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, filmmaker, music video directors, mini
Speaker 1: doc you know Josh can't do anything, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I've been able to lean on Josh,
Speaker 1: Eric Newman at Shell Time, Brian Daly at shell Time,
Speaker 1: and ship even Matt Barnes at at the point, now
Speaker 1: we gotta start giving Matt Barnes a flower and start
Speaker 1: with um recognizing him as a producer. He's not just
Speaker 1: a talent because he really works behind the scenes on
Speaker 1: his podcast, from segments to what he wants to look
Speaker 1: like across socials. So I learned from Matt, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, yourself, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: a handful of people that I know trust, Um, rob
Speaker 1: On just Rob Archie, you know what I mean. On
Speaker 1: just being you know, myself and being comfortable being myself
Speaker 1: and I want my voice to be heard. So just
Speaker 1: a handful of people that I really cared about and
Speaker 1: that I trusted. So I probably crowdsourceded as as opposed
Speaker 1: to the other way. When you look at this NBA
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame class that just got inducted. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys do from our error. Man, Um, do
Speaker 1: you feel old at all that these guys we competed
Speaker 1: against in the Hall of Fame or or do you
Speaker 1: view them as you know, contemporaries that made it. I
Speaker 1: don't feel old, man, I feel proud. I feel used
Speaker 1: to feel salty, and that's you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I used to feel salty because you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: fee of my career based on the talent that I
Speaker 1: knew I had in my heart. You know, went went
Speaker 1: as it should have. But I wouldn't trade it for
Speaker 1: the world because it's brought me to the place that
Speaker 1: I am now. But I'm so proud man of people.
Speaker 1: You know, people in our class around our area to
Speaker 1: go to the Hall of Fame or you know even
Speaker 1: have been able to provide themselves. You know, their families
Speaker 1: with a ton of money and you know what me
Speaker 1: change their whole family experience. So I moved from you
Speaker 1: know what I mean salty to uh to you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like the you know, admiring contemporaries, just
Speaker 1: being so proud I think as in our community as
Speaker 1: a Black community and in the small group of we
Speaker 1: as black athletes, Africana, Marian the athletes, whichever one you
Speaker 1: want to use. We don't give each other our flowers.
Speaker 1: So I think it's about time that, you know, we
Speaker 1: get off you know, the older generation and start concentrating
Speaker 1: on building ourselves up because a lot of some of
Speaker 1: us still have a still have a lot to offer
Speaker 1: to the newer generation. They're searching, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: for newer ways or newer voices and different you know,
Speaker 1: different ways to explain things. So I think that's why
Speaker 1: that's what we hold in common, Christine Johnson and Gelani
Speaker 1: McCoy and I just want to just move into a
Speaker 1: arrangement where we can help each other, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and to continue to voice our parents and
Speaker 1: these younger generations opinions. But why do you think there's
Speaker 1: such a big disconnect at times between the older generation
Speaker 1: and the younger generation. And I'm not just talking about
Speaker 1: you know, hoop and all that. It's it's across the board,
Speaker 1: it's fast, it's the way people dress, it's the way
Speaker 1: people talk, it's this is that, it's this is that.
Speaker 1: Why do you think there's such a big disconnect? I mean,
Speaker 1: we've seen some of the older guys like Alan Iverson
Speaker 1: who really embraced the younger generation in basketball, and the
Speaker 1: younger generation has embraced him back. Why do you think though,
Speaker 1: that there's this you know, this gap between the two generations.
Speaker 1: This ship got boogie somehow, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: After Ai and Chuck and Kevin Gardner set the blueprint
Speaker 1: of hard work, and you know what comes from the
Speaker 1: hard work. This generation, you know, and some of the
Speaker 1: even some of the old middle in between whatever this
Speaker 1: generation was, we forgot about what the hard work was
Speaker 1: and we just went with the goods and glamor from
Speaker 1: social media and the cap you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We lost everything in between the start and the finish.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's fake it till you make it
Speaker 1: times a hundred right now, and we just lost you know,
Speaker 1: the story is in the in the journey, and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, the things that you go through.
Speaker 1: So nobody interested interested in the journey. If you're watching
Speaker 1: movies and ship right now, everything is instanted, instantly evacuation
Speaker 1: if it's a bunch of noise on top of one.
Speaker 1: So right now we just lost a part of the
Speaker 1: story being in the hard work. We talk about Mamba
Speaker 1: mentality and all that good ship, but we're really not
Speaker 1: listening to what cove he was talking about because to me,
Speaker 1: those stories and the journey and the transference and the
Speaker 1: climb happens in the in the work, and we're just
Speaker 1: ignoring the work now and using memes and quotes and
Speaker 1: ship from other people that are busy doing work at
Speaker 1: the end of the day. So I feel once we
Speaker 1: can bridge that gap of the cap and the quote,
Speaker 1: get back to action, you know what I mean, less
Speaker 1: ego and more so, I think we'll all be better
Speaker 1: off bridge that gap of the cap and the quotes.
Speaker 1: Les did man, you sound like Gil Scott heron around
Speaker 1: this piece. Hey, the revolution will not be televised. But
Speaker 1: but lin Um I recently had the opportunity to interview
Speaker 1: uh w NBA legend a lot of beard. She's heading up.
Speaker 1: She's heading up the group right. She's partnered with the
Speaker 1: African American Sports and Entertainment group based out of Oakland,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to bring a w NBA franchise to
Speaker 1: the city of Falkland. Now, you are a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know this, but you were born in open
Speaker 1: correct Yeah, you were born in open so as somebody
Speaker 1: who was born in that city, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on a w NBA franchise, the prospects of a black
Speaker 1: owned mind you owned w n B tries in the city,
Speaker 1: you think the city would get behind something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, they better. It's such a townish thing to do,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, right, you know what I mean, just
Speaker 1: too because there's a need for it. Now, what better
Speaker 1: way than a w NBA player, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and assist, sorry, you know what I mean, to come
Speaker 1: back in there and represent the town and start bringing
Speaker 1: some vitality to the town because they're trying to start
Speaker 1: the life out of the town right now. You know,
Speaker 1: the AI's are in this situation, the Raiders getting out
Speaker 1: of there, the Warriors jump ship to San Francisco. So
Speaker 1: I know she's in touch with a lot of people
Speaker 1: in that tech space, in that take area that can
Speaker 1: make a dream like this happening. I think Oakland and
Speaker 1: everybody else should support her and do what they can
Speaker 1: do to bring that franchise to Oakland because I think
Speaker 1: it's a good marriage. I think it's something that Oakland
Speaker 1: can get behind. And uh and I think everybody wins
Speaker 1: across the board because they can't. Something like that couldn't
Speaker 1: happen in a better situation, situation on her city than Oakland, California.
Speaker 1: And my opinion, so I'm proud of her. Prats off
Speaker 1: to that team, and I hope everything yields and that
Speaker 1: the team. The group has some pretty ambition ambitious aspirations.
Speaker 1: They want to own a black owned NFL team, a
Speaker 1: new stadium and convention center. They want to do Black
Speaker 1: Wall Street Part two, the w NBA franchise. Then they
Speaker 1: want to put up a Hall of Fame and an
Speaker 1: academic center all in the city. So they have big
Speaker 1: dreams and aspirations and uh and I think they have
Speaker 1: the means to achieve all these dreams, man. So I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see what happens with that. That's it's one
Speaker 1: of the most exciting pieces of news that I've heard
Speaker 1: in a long time, especially for the African American community. UM,
Speaker 1: I have to agree with you. The Oaktown all comes
Speaker 1: down the capital though, you know what I mean what
Speaker 1: you said, Yeah, you know what I mean. She knows
Speaker 1: what she knows what she had to do the probably
Speaker 1: before she even stepped to the table. So I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure she did her homework. I appreciate you send to
Speaker 1: me the article and uh and and the link on
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, on her, on her being
Speaker 1: a guest, on yourself, because I feel like she came
Speaker 1: to the table knowing that capital was gonna be a
Speaker 1: big part component and bringing this project. And she sounds
Speaker 1: like she had her isch together when she stepped to
Speaker 1: the table in the first place. So my hat goes
Speaker 1: off to her, and we need to figure out whatever
Speaker 1: we can do, you know, to help her out if
Speaker 1: she needs it. It It don't sound like she needs us,
Speaker 1: but if she do, you know, we can help her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said the same I said the same thing at
Speaker 1: the end of the call yesterday. I said anything I
Speaker 1: could do. I don't know if there's anything I could do,
Speaker 1: but whatever I could do, whatever, Yeah, absolutely, please let
Speaker 1: me know. The Vice mayor is a really big proponent
Speaker 1: of the City of Open She's a she's a big
Speaker 1: proponent of this entire project. I heard her speak in
Speaker 1: depth about it. So it's a really exciting thing that's
Speaker 1: coming along. Absolutely, And we just did some stuff with
Speaker 1: Barbara Lee out there. Uh, you know what her documentary
Speaker 1: was came out on Stars a couple of months, so
Speaker 1: Ray was out there doing a bunch of film work
Speaker 1: and helping with the premier. So um, I saw that.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, the town is always gonna be in
Speaker 1: our heart, you know what I mean. I'm a big
Speaker 1: a san I'm a forty Er fan, but I'm an
Speaker 1: Ace fan, like I spent a lot of time up
Speaker 1: in Oakland, So it's always gonna be near and dear
Speaker 1: to my heart. So we're always gonna represent the town
Speaker 1: for shelf Show. Jumping back to the Allen Iverson documentary.
Speaker 1: You you're a producer on that. Talk about a little
Speaker 1: bit about that project, what it was like working with
Speaker 1: Alan Bubba Chuck, and what should we expect to see
Speaker 1: in this mini Dot Man, this mini Dots, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We left a lot of blood, sweat
Speaker 1: and tears, you know what I mean, and in the
Speaker 1: in the cutting room and in there in the process
Speaker 1: bringing us together because it was the only All American
Speaker 1: game during the pandemic. McDonald's and everything else was shut down,
Speaker 1: so you know, they had chat Home Graham, Polo Banchetto,
Speaker 1: Peyton Watson, Raven Johnson, the first female to play in
Speaker 1: All American Game was present um coached by Stephen Jackson,
Speaker 1: Rashid Waller's Bonzi Will So Darius Miles was a part
Speaker 1: of the project along with AIS Team, Jian Mindzette, them
Speaker 1: Bobby Beats. So um it was it was just an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go and do something for Chuck, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Chuck is a part of what I
Speaker 1: like to call the Showtime Universe. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a Marvel universe where you'll see documentaries and many documentaries
Speaker 1: and podcasts and other episodic things for different players on
Speaker 1: the Showtime platform. So it was just an opportunity. And
Speaker 1: I met Chuck in ninety three at the McDonald the
Speaker 1: Nike All American Camp, so we obviously hit it off.
Speaker 1: Then I played from played with him at Denver and
Speaker 1: against him for a couple of years in the NBA.
Speaker 1: So I'm a big Allen Iverson fan. You know that
Speaker 1: we were to Allen Iverson's during the Dude Game the
Speaker 1: first at the first Aies from Reebox. So anytime I
Speaker 1: could help one of the former players, a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer that I played with, that I played against, that
Speaker 1: I was a teammate up, I'm all on board, and
Speaker 1: I take my job very seriously, so I'm trying to
Speaker 1: paint there our our our heroes and the best light,
Speaker 1: you know what i mean, always with love and light,
Speaker 1: not a lot of negative. I'm very protective of their
Speaker 1: transparency and it was just an opportunity to go down there.
Speaker 1: Have took my business partner and U c l A
Speaker 1: alumni Read Young down there and helped produce. Uh. It
Speaker 1: turned out really well, so you should expect to see
Speaker 1: bondsy Wales and Rashi received Wallace in a different light.
Speaker 1: And I'm really proud of the way Steven Jackson is
Speaker 1: standing on his own on this one. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people know him as the co host on
Speaker 1: All the Smoke, but again Stack has another universe under
Speaker 1: the Showtime Basketball that's also going to highlight his talent.
Speaker 1: So it was awesome. It was a learning experience, and
Speaker 1: it was during the pandemic, so it was a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, pandemics going on and stuff you have
Speaker 1: to work. But but it came out and I'm glad
Speaker 1: it worked up well well. If you could pinpoint during
Speaker 1: that that that process of filming something that happened that
Speaker 1: was just crazy or that you know, it was a
Speaker 1: little bit off kilter. That threw you off a little bit.
Speaker 1: They you have an expenses like that, or didn't go
Speaker 1: pretty smooth the entire way. Man. You know, we're trained
Speaker 1: for everything. Luck, we've seen everything. We've been pretty busy
Speaker 1: for the fast five years, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: for maybe up to you know, three minutes before a
Speaker 1: live show happens, and we scrapped, still scrambled and trying
Speaker 1: to get assets ready for a live stream or a
Speaker 1: live show up in San Francisco. So we pretty much
Speaker 1: expect everything. I explained it expected alien to pop out
Speaker 1: of somebody's head and like keep it cool, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I've just trained. That's why I
Speaker 1: keep myself in shape, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: try to, you know, get a good diet, try to
Speaker 1: get a couple of good nights sleep, because I just
Speaker 1: tried to be prepared for anything. But I think the
Speaker 1: dopest thing that happened was when we were shooting. This
Speaker 1: was in the Jack Stephen with Jackson was in the
Speaker 1: middle of Ramadon or his first fast, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Ever, he never fastted his life, and he
Speaker 1: had to. You know, I'm producing and working on cameras
Speaker 1: and working with cameraman and whatnot. And he was the
Speaker 1: coach and he asked me to coach for him while
Speaker 1: he put while he prayed. So in the middle of
Speaker 1: the All American Game, I had to go from producers
Speaker 1: slash director, slash, security, slash you know what I mean, cameraman,
Speaker 1: slash whatever it is, to coach. And it was and
Speaker 1: on the bench with some heaters. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Dude is going to Gonzaga, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know where chatting Polo going. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This is a big time. They're They're high on the
Speaker 1: NBA radar Top one, top one, Yeah, six. Couple of
Speaker 1: these guys are six to eight months removed from going
Speaker 1: to the league. So just being in that full circle
Speaker 1: again while I was, you know, transition on the other
Speaker 1: side of my life, you know what I mean, just
Speaker 1: reaching back in that moment to just understand that, you know,
Speaker 1: basketball is always gonna be a conduit as to you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, grace for me and that that
Speaker 1: was one of my prouder moments and for him to
Speaker 1: trust me and for him to trust me like that,
Speaker 1: because during that weekend, a couple of days is when
Speaker 1: me and Jack formed a bond, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That led to me probably getting this relationship so super
Speaker 1: proud of it. Dope, that's dope. Yeah. I had similar,
Speaker 1: well not similar experiences, but I experienced the prayer during
Speaker 1: the game thing when I played in Quitar If we
Speaker 1: had a game, right and then coincided with the time
Speaker 1: that they called it Sunday, I believe, and then so
Speaker 1: we stopped the game. Chris go over to the bench.
Speaker 1: We have to pray. The whole everybody has a Muslim.
Speaker 1: They pointed towards Mecca, and then they would get down
Speaker 1: on the floor during the game and start praying. And
Speaker 1: at first I was kind of tripped out, but then
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I got used to it, and
Speaker 1: then I was respect I started to respect the process.
Speaker 1: I think I dribbled a ball one time and everybody
Speaker 1: looked at me. I was like, oh, shoot, this is
Speaker 1: not the business. Hey, I did the same thing and
Speaker 1: um in the Milwaukee books practice one time, dude with
Speaker 1: Nellie and I dribbled the ball. He looked it was
Speaker 1: there in the middle of the thing. He looked over,
Speaker 1: he glared at me. Pick up that ball. He said.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like ten years old, bro getting
Speaker 1: yo that by Nellie Bro. I was like, lessing, we
Speaker 1: just went off the rails. But no, but that that's
Speaker 1: that sounds like that sounds like a really fun thing. Man.
Speaker 1: You So you're it's an amazing it wasn't interesting too.
Speaker 1: And this is a kind of an in the weeds
Speaker 1: type of question for you line. So that weekend right,
Speaker 1: I was in Classic You're you're behind the camera, so
Speaker 1: you're looking at the kids doing different lens right, because
Speaker 1: you're setting up shots and you're you know, storylines, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Now when you were called into coaching, now you have
Speaker 1: to put on another you gotta take that lens off
Speaker 1: and put on the Hooper lends. You're a baller, I'm coach.
Speaker 1: I look at you for your your strength deficiencies. How
Speaker 1: we gonna get you off in basketball? Standpoint? How? How?
Speaker 1: How did that Was that an easy transition to do?
Speaker 1: Did you or did you feel like you had an
Speaker 1: advantage because you were so like you have been basically
Speaker 1: studying these guys, they were subjects of film. I went,
Speaker 1: I went weirdo. You know, I just right over in
Speaker 1: the weirdo because I was looking at them through viewfinders
Speaker 1: and look at them through such a particular lens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they seen me like
Speaker 1: I wasn't there just you know, holding or you know,
Speaker 1: a point to I was clapping and ship you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I was. I was in it. You know,
Speaker 1: we get we get in the gym, and it's the
Speaker 1: energy in there is palpable. So I was gonna do yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, geeking them up on dunks,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Jumped in and out of
Speaker 1: a couple of drills. So it was kind of easy.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think I ever want to
Speaker 1: lose that feeling of being able to just instantly jump
Speaker 1: into a coach or you know what I mean, instant
Speaker 1: hooper situation and you hit it right on the head.
Speaker 1: I think because I was so hyper focused on their
Speaker 1: making them look like heroes, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: that you know what I mean, that just carried over
Speaker 1: instantly when I had to coach for that couple of minutes. Now,
Speaker 1: that's pretty dope. That's the first thing that sort of
Speaker 1: came in my mind was how you you operated with them.
Speaker 1: It took me back to when we coached together with
Speaker 1: the Double Pump Organism back in two thousand and fifteen,
Speaker 1: which was, you know, one of the fun the most
Speaker 1: enjoyable summers that I've had me you Ryan Forehand, Kelly
Speaker 1: who was currently assistant for the Brooklyn Nets. We were
Speaker 1: holding it down. I don't know if you remember that,
Speaker 1: but Line, I don't know if you remember this in Vegas,
Speaker 1: but the day when we played that Dan Lillard Adida's team,
Speaker 1: we were up twelve. They came back and beat us.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Mitchell Robinson, the big, tall, wide showder.
Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson who plays for the Knicks. He was playing
Speaker 1: before them. So when we walked in, because you know,
Speaker 1: we got to the game earlier, so when we walked in,
Speaker 1: we saw that, we saw this big footer and we
Speaker 1: were just like, who is this big why show dog?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but that was Mitchell Robinson.
Speaker 1: Bro Line, when you think back to that, when you
Speaker 1: think back to that summer, Man, and we we went
Speaker 1: head up with some big time programs. Man, what was
Speaker 1: the what what stood out the most of two thousand
Speaker 1: and fifteen and our only coaching experience together. What you
Speaker 1: think my favorite MoMA is when the when the dad
Speaker 1: had his fingers to the fence. I forgot where it
Speaker 1: was American American Sports Center, the nets, the net, yes,
Speaker 1: they got the nets behind us. The dad has got
Speaker 1: got his fingers through the nets. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: O Ship, Oh my god, we let that one go,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: We let that one go. We stayed coach, and then
Speaker 1: another one came another end, so they all stop had
Speaker 1: just talking and Ship with his fingers through the through
Speaker 1: the that My favorite moment was when we looked over
Speaker 1: there in Unison and told him to goat it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Nobody no cue. There wasn't even a verbo. Cue is
Speaker 1: like literally, you know what I mean? One too? After
Speaker 1: the third one, it was like, it's all, it's all now,
Speaker 1: you know what. I remember one of the pumps. I
Speaker 1: remember he was like, you're trying to stick up for yourself.
Speaker 1: And then one of the pumps came over there, and
Speaker 1: why you do the run? I felt it. I felt
Speaker 1: that he was already seem like what's going on? You
Speaker 1: know they were he would definitely weren't gonna let nothing happen.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry, guy. That's our guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that But he was like, what's going on there? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We was like, are you still
Speaker 1: going on? You know, we we were. It was just
Speaker 1: a funny situation, you know, as the language. But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's what it was. That was
Speaker 1: my That and beating the balls and getting into it,
Speaker 1: but getting the stair down from Mama Ball post game
Speaker 1: West game, so I was gonna talk about that. So
Speaker 1: so I think it was a foul call. So we're
Speaker 1: playing against the Balls, the ball brothers. Uh, you know, LaVar.
Speaker 1: Everybody's their team, the rookie of the year, the rookie
Speaker 1: of the year, the mellow. So we're playing against the
Speaker 1: ball Brothers. And you know, it's a big it's a
Speaker 1: great game. It's it's spirited. Everybody's watching our game. It's
Speaker 1: probably one of the most turned up basketball situations I've been.
Speaker 1: It was there on the side. It was sick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was sick, dude. It was sick. Everybody was in
Speaker 1: the building watching this game. But but I think what
Speaker 1: stood out for me, I think I complained about a
Speaker 1: foul call or I said something to the effect of,
Speaker 1: you know, to the ref right, I'm talking to the
Speaker 1: ref man called the file man. What the hell? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I look over sort of towards LaVar and then Tina
Speaker 1: stands up. She has her hands on her hip. She
Speaker 1: she had been staring at me for like five minutes.
Speaker 1: She was looking at me, staring at it like it wasn't.
Speaker 1: She was like, they ain't. No God found could be.
Speaker 1: And I tell you, and if you could see my face,
Speaker 1: I looked at I looked at LaVar. I looked. I
Speaker 1: looked at LaVar and I just started smiling. To put
Speaker 1: my hand down, I'm like, oh, like, I'm sorry because
Speaker 1: I have you know me, I have uproas respect for LaVar.
Speaker 1: But that showed me. That showed me something amazing, and
Speaker 1: that Mama Ball was willing to call would come at
Speaker 1: me like that. What are you talk about though, the
Speaker 1: Ball Brothers this year? I don't know, if you've got
Speaker 1: a chance to check them out. The rebirth of a
Speaker 1: Lonzo and and Mellow have have reinvigorated both of those franchises.
Speaker 1: They're both looking like they're gonna make the playoffs. Just
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Ball Brothers. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's time, you know what, what I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's manifestation or whatever it is. But a Lonzo, uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, Pop's got to be looking like a genius
Speaker 1: right now, you know what I mean? All this stuff that,
Speaker 1: I think it was a lot on their play. But
Speaker 1: one thing we always said is that they was good,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We didn't know if they
Speaker 1: was gonna burn out and it was gonna be too much.
Speaker 1: But you know, with the basketball, park was good. We
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about the jam shot and things that the
Speaker 1: pundits and the people talk about, how you got to
Speaker 1: get his shot pocket together. He was still busting everybody's
Speaker 1: ass on the n C double A level all throughout
Speaker 1: high school and he's continue to do it as a pro.
Speaker 1: Now as a pro, obviously you're gonna refine your mechanics
Speaker 1: and it's gonna look even better Twitter. But I think
Speaker 1: we predicted this, you know what I mean. We knew
Speaker 1: a Lonzo was gonna be what he was, and we
Speaker 1: knew LaMelo was a basketball survived and then he put
Speaker 1: the you know, the gross fur on the top of it.
Speaker 1: And watching what Big Bro had to go through and
Speaker 1: the and the other one going through what he did
Speaker 1: at U C. L A and how he's trying to
Speaker 1: find his way. I think it's a perfect shield that
Speaker 1: Ball family crest. I think it's amazing the cloth that
Speaker 1: Moms is cut from, even the cloth that Pops was
Speaker 1: cut from. Although it wasn't you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the vehicle weren't necessarily want to see it was the
Speaker 1: one that worked. That ship is working, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: he got his baby boys cracking, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: There is able to provide, you know, a good life
Speaker 1: for their family, to take care of their mom and
Speaker 1: dad and a big ball uh advocate as to where
Speaker 1: sometimes I used to be like, h you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Pops is a lie and sometimes he was bussing,
Speaker 1: but he was able to cook get all up, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It really makes something special and
Speaker 1: I couldn't be it couldn't happen. And they're good kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're cool. They're cool kids. Man. They're really just about
Speaker 1: their hooping, their parents and their fans. So you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. The Pioneers Transsectors you work for the
Speaker 1: you know, the bbb UH group, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You can attest to where they're at with their business
Speaker 1: and how pioneering they were with their ways, and I
Speaker 1: could be more happy for him as a as a father,
Speaker 1: and as a guy who you know, has a sign,
Speaker 1: who's taking about playing basketball, the sports, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just been amazing to watch. I'm happy
Speaker 1: for I think it's one of the most fascinating things
Speaker 1: that we've seen in the history of athletics. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, because it's one thing to call your
Speaker 1: shot if you're the Babe Ruth or if you're you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Damith and this and that. But LaVar basically called
Speaker 1: his shot twice. He basically told you he was gonna
Speaker 1: have a top five draft pick. And I know he
Speaker 1: said it about all three. But when you get two
Speaker 1: out of three that are five draft picks, my man,
Speaker 1: top three draft picks, Okay, two sons from Chino Hills, California,
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. It's mind boggling. And because of how brazen
Speaker 1: he was. And I know people they have their thoughts
Speaker 1: and Lavars and acquired Tascy. I grew up around the
Speaker 1: balls and so I grew up in that era. So
Speaker 1: I'm used to all that stuff that y'all energy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not intimidate. That's that energy that people are intimidated by.
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm rolling with it even to the point.
Speaker 1: And when I had the opportunity to coach on the
Speaker 1: j b A, which was the league that LaVar started
Speaker 1: for LaMelo in two thousand and eighteen. It was a
Speaker 1: barnstorm and tour. We had eight teams. We traveled the
Speaker 1: country coast to coast, cities Dallas, Solid accommodations man, solid
Speaker 1: travel arrangements, solid everything right. Facebook had a camera crew
Speaker 1: that was following us. Our games were telegrass on Facebook Live.
Speaker 1: When you look back on that situation, it was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: and we're playing forty eight minute quarters LaMelo. Look, LaMelo
Speaker 1: is playing the whole game. We're playing back to backs. Look,
Speaker 1: we're doing stuff like we're being Texas play a game.
Speaker 1: They had to fly to Seattle play another game tomorrow
Speaker 1: the next night. I mean, so look and so it's
Speaker 1: but to see LaVar. LaVar is just the ultimate dad,
Speaker 1: like sports dad to do that. He created a league
Speaker 1: for your son. And at the time when hey, at
Speaker 1: the time when he had launched it, you know, everybody
Speaker 1: it was maligned. Everybody was poop ping it. Everybody was
Speaker 1: talking crap about it. They're like, Chris, why are you
Speaker 1: even involved in something like that. I'm kind of like, well,
Speaker 1: I see the future. I'm not necessarily stuck in what
Speaker 1: you guys see because I've never really seen things like
Speaker 1: you guys did, so I'm kind of looking at this
Speaker 1: as from a developmental standpoint. I know that LaMelo is
Speaker 1: gonna get some reps against older dudes for the next
Speaker 1: four That's what I said three or four. You're gonna
Speaker 1: play against older dudes. You play against older dudes that
Speaker 1: are better than you, that are stronger than youth, faster
Speaker 1: than you. And then the kid went to Lithuania and
Speaker 1: his journey is well documented, but that was one of
Speaker 1: the first little uh moments in his career where I said, man,
Speaker 1: this guy is built and wired differently. I mean I
Speaker 1: saw him. I saw him go for fifty and twenty
Speaker 1: one assists in eighteen rebounds, Like I see these numbers, right,
Speaker 1: And people were like, oh, look who it's against. It's
Speaker 1: not against nobody. But I'm like, you guys don't understand
Speaker 1: basketball to be able to get fifty something points twenty
Speaker 1: something rebounds against guys that could have went to college
Speaker 1: or went to college. That's all I need to know
Speaker 1: that I've seen. I've seen the talent in the league line.
Speaker 1: So you know, we know basketball players and we know
Speaker 1: when to respect a performance or a string of performances. Again,
Speaker 1: certain type of dudes. Absolutely, just because you these just
Speaker 1: because you never heard their name, or just because you
Speaker 1: don't know they resumeate it don't mean that you have
Speaker 1: the ability to discern whether or not they can play
Speaker 1: the game. I'm just letting y'all know. It's a different
Speaker 1: it's that it's that I line. But but again, we
Speaker 1: can walk and we can walk into gym where the
Speaker 1: top fifty is playing, and we can look at the
Speaker 1: court and be just be be staring at the top
Speaker 1: fifty court and be like, well, who is that he
Speaker 1: need to be over here? He need? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know why he over there? And then this is going
Speaker 1: on because I can pick three off of this court
Speaker 1: right now that he should be over You know, like
Speaker 1: you said, we're real life basketball players and just spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time watching basketball, scouting, basketball preaching and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, coaching and you know, to
Speaker 1: the younger generations and working on it and you come
Speaker 1: from a long a royal basketball bloodline. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean with your father at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean. It's always been a
Speaker 1: second hand to us. And you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's about time that you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, people that know the game can actually speak
Speaker 1: on it and like identify what a great player is
Speaker 1: without looking at the top one hundred? Do you miss
Speaker 1: it at all? Aline? I saw you in a workout
Speaker 1: with your son the other day getting it here. You're
Speaker 1: still get the stance a little bit, you still have
Speaker 1: some lateral movement. Do you do you do you ever
Speaker 1: sit back and say, do you ever just miss it
Speaker 1: at all? Where you're just like, dang man, I missed
Speaker 1: this game? Or are you at peace with where you
Speaker 1: are and the game? When the game of basketball? I'm
Speaker 1: not peace, But I do miss the psychotic competitive nets.
Speaker 1: Do miss the moments that will make you just want
Speaker 1: to you know what I mean? You know what I
Speaker 1: mean with all the slow motion things where you see
Speaker 1: people tensed up, screaming and damn near slobbering or looking
Speaker 1: at the floor. I do miss those psychotic, uh competitive
Speaker 1: moments where you can scream and get those moments out
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, those are your flowers in
Speaker 1: that instant because when you're when you when you're an athlete,
Speaker 1: you know you're onto the next game, the next moment.
Speaker 1: When you see players have those moments that end up
Speaker 1: means and all this crazy ship we end up ingesting
Speaker 1: for the next decade, it's really that psychotic competitiveness and
Speaker 1: that release from your hard work paying off or you know,
Speaker 1: I mean going through adversity in the game to get
Speaker 1: an am one. I don't care if you're a shifty
Speaker 1: feet throw player you made two in a row and
Speaker 1: you want to do some ship to the crowd, or
Speaker 1: you know what, I mean, to do something to yourself.
Speaker 1: I just missed those moments. But I'm definitely at peace
Speaker 1: because I know my generation of basketball was one of
Speaker 1: the greatest ever and for for me to be mentioned,
Speaker 1: and I've talked to a couple of players, my peers
Speaker 1: and some of the O g s for them to
Speaker 1: mention me and talk about my career and everything, it
Speaker 1: really puts me at peace. But like I think I
Speaker 1: talked about that before on the show, I didn't really
Speaker 1: get that piece till you know, like five or six
Speaker 1: years ago or maybe even and the time before that,
Speaker 1: those dudes that helped me was KG. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm at peace, but I do miss the psychotic competitiveness. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I missed the game. Man, I missed it a lot.
Speaker 1: I felt like I I, you know, my career ended
Speaker 1: too early. I had to retire because of the injury
Speaker 1: and throw out my back and Hinea with Jr playing
Speaker 1: on with j R. Henderson playing the same, he brought
Speaker 1: me over there and throw out my back. I was
Speaker 1: gonna play with him in Japan for a year. Man,
Speaker 1: make about three to three hundred thousand bros. Like a
Speaker 1: nice little set up twelve months, six business class to
Speaker 1: and from l A a year. Dog. I was like,
Speaker 1: look this is but through my back up. But I
Speaker 1: think the thing I missed the most line is God man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna sound crazy and cocky and arrogant, but just
Speaker 1: the feeling of when you bust somebody's ass, when you
Speaker 1: hit a three, when you hit a deep three on
Speaker 1: somebody after maybe through the leg, through the leg heavy,
Speaker 1: and then you just raise it and then that that
Speaker 1: moment right line when you're holding the funnel through you're
Speaker 1: holding you had a nice one you had, and he
Speaker 1: he's contesting, and you're just sitting there like, hey, you
Speaker 1: ain't ain't nothing you could do. Those are the moments
Speaker 1: that I also missed, those pressurized moments when we need
Speaker 1: to be hey, when we need a bucket, or we
Speaker 1: need an offensive rebound on on the free throw. Hey,
Speaker 1: we need to offer as the rebounding the free throw.
Speaker 1: So we gotta come in early and hook somebody arm
Speaker 1: and get underneath somebody and route them underneath it. So
Speaker 1: we got yeah, yeah, man, yeah, little things like when
Speaker 1: then and then somebody else got to make sure the
Speaker 1: other dude don't crash, you know, and stuff is a
Speaker 1: little Yeah, that's a good point. But those locked in
Speaker 1: moments when you know it's four seconds laughing, you know,
Speaker 1: Coachack or somebody like, we know it's the ship gonna work.
Speaker 1: We're just waiting for it to uh to go through.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, those moments, man, and
Speaker 1: like at the end of the day lull you. That's
Speaker 1: why you got those moments. You know, the game was
Speaker 1: taken away from me to and like a similar fashion,
Speaker 1: not through injury, but partly through injury. But I think
Speaker 1: those moments that ship don't happen to people at the
Speaker 1: end of the day and nobody locking in with their
Speaker 1: side hops trying to win a game with sixteen thousand,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, eyes on them hoping they're
Speaker 1: gonna fail, and then some people expecting them to win.
Speaker 1: Like that's not a real thing that happens in life.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That you go through with
Speaker 1: your company. You know that even if you go to
Speaker 1: college with somebody. I guess y'all can do that on
Speaker 1: the Calculus test for you know what I mean. You
Speaker 1: know that was a hell of a test. You know
Speaker 1: what you mean. YadA YadA, YadA, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Or if you're a Sigma, can cheat and you go
Speaker 1: to the whatever dance that's the under the Enchantment under
Speaker 1: the Sea dance, and you know you can do that
Speaker 1: type of Earth angel you know what I mean, You're
Speaker 1: Earth angeling, you know what I mean. But nobody is
Speaker 1: inside a Polly pavilion, you know what I mean, with
Speaker 1: the expectations of winning for the national title contender every
Speaker 1: year and going through that with lifelong friends. So I
Speaker 1: hope that sometimes when you down in those moments, you
Speaker 1: remember that ship playing the guitar and meeting people people, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Because that, uh, that eventually
Speaker 1: evolved you into the carriage that we're saying now and
Speaker 1: why you got a successful podcast on my heart brother. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the whole part of this. And you really hit
Speaker 1: on something very very special and important because it is true.
Speaker 1: It is those experiences that do keep you going. They
Speaker 1: reinvigorated me. Man. I was at a low point. Man,
Speaker 1: I was tripping out back, I was going through the pandemic,
Speaker 1: all kind of drama. But then I decided for to
Speaker 1: reach out and started to reconnect with folks again. Man
Speaker 1: started hollering at everybody. Hold on, Man. It was in
Speaker 1: the middle of the pandemic. Man and I had been
Speaker 1: watching Fat Joe's podcast, and he had been He had
Speaker 1: a great episode on there one time where he brought
Speaker 1: in young lady by the name is Cheryl from s
Speaker 1: w V the group s w V Coco. But her
Speaker 1: name is Cheryl Life Coco. Right, So but I didn't
Speaker 1: I had no did I. Fat Joe and Sheryl grew
Speaker 1: up on the same block, the same hood they grew
Speaker 1: up in, like Bronx River, New York Line, and so
Speaker 1: they had this whole relationship. So they were talking about
Speaker 1: how when when each one made it big, they would
Speaker 1: be like so proud, and if they you know, when
Speaker 1: they ran into each other over the years, how crazy
Speaker 1: it was two kids. So that kind of made me.
Speaker 1: It touched me, man. So I was like, Man, let
Speaker 1: me holler at my my folks. Man, it's been a minute.
Speaker 1: I ain't seeing nobody. I didn't talk to nobody, And
Speaker 1: so I started reaching out all over the world, man,
Speaker 1: to all of y'all here, to my different networks of
Speaker 1: individuals that crossed my path over the course of my life.
Speaker 1: And I'm thankful for each and every one of you, man,
Speaker 1: and and and and like to your point, it does
Speaker 1: help you in the end, man, when you remember, you
Speaker 1: that your net work is your net worth, brother, and
Speaker 1: so you gotta always keep that type of stuff in mind.
Speaker 1: And it's a net worth in your soul too, man,
Speaker 1: because when you get disconnected from the family, man, you
Speaker 1: start to lack and lose certain parts of your identity. Man,
Speaker 1: you're in there talking into you, in there talking into yourself,
Speaker 1: because into yourself that your bullshit is right. When you
Speaker 1: are three time, you be on bullshit and you know
Speaker 1: myself included, you know what I mean. You're intelligent, introspective people.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, we beat ourselves up, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So you know, uh, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I think it's up for us to acknowledge that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, as we start to grow
Speaker 1: older and just like you know what I mean, not
Speaker 1: have those moments. And you know, remember the positive as
Speaker 1: well as a negative. It's a it's a beat us
Speaker 1: all up. The pandemic beat us all up, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But along with the pandemic came an
Speaker 1: endless amount of opportunities for a short amount of time.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing that I talked to you about,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. When you reached out, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it will never be a time like this now. So
Speaker 1: if you ever wanted to do something, do it now.
Speaker 1: And you see that, you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: jumped on that opportunity that seemed like you said, that
Speaker 1: seems to be only the thing you needed to hear.
Speaker 1: And ever since then, you know what I mean, you've
Speaker 1: been able to just progress and do the thing. This
Speaker 1: is what you're supposed to be doing, So you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm glad that you were able to
Speaker 1: take bits and pieces from what everybody else was saying
Speaker 1: and make the decision on your own, because it's easy
Speaker 1: to listen to people but still be locked off in
Speaker 1: the room and isolated. And now, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still not doing nothing, but you made so you
Speaker 1: put some action to it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I think during the pandemic, people who put some
Speaker 1: action behind some of their fears and anxieties and like effort,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, scared. I think they're gonna reward it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, coming into the new year.
Speaker 1: And I think you are uh and and and a
Speaker 1: lot of other people in our group, they're truly genuine
Speaker 1: support each other, not the bullshit, not the Instagram likes
Speaker 1: and reposts, you know what I mean. People that make
Speaker 1: calls and support you. You know you called and say
Speaker 1: congratulate solon solar. Wait, real quick, real quick. You think
Speaker 1: there's a difference in in the level of support between
Speaker 1: someone that made someone So two people are friends, right,
Speaker 1: you got two friends one A friend A friend B.
Speaker 1: Friend A calls you, friend B hits you on the internet,
Speaker 1: like gives you the hands up, shouts out, celebratory. They
Speaker 1: both have the same amount of emotion of happiness for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there is there a difference now or do you
Speaker 1: appreciate it more because you're sort of old school. That's
Speaker 1: a great That's one of your better kJ. This is
Speaker 1: one of the better kJ Live question. Um, and I
Speaker 1: would say the easiest way and be like, it's a hybrid,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That would be the easy way.
Speaker 1: It's the easy way. I think it's a mix above crash.
Speaker 1: But hey, nah, for real, we lost people, we lost code.
Speaker 1: I lost a friend and lost some people. So call
Speaker 1: me man. If it's truly about support and love, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It could be a funny style text,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We can joke in and
Speaker 1: necessarily gotta be man, my brother, congratulations and all. Yo.
Speaker 1: It could be like oh, I see you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, or whatever it is, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like hit somebody enough for the social media and the
Speaker 1: liking or the reposting, because you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like even that long story story, hit somebody, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. We at the time and age and
Speaker 1: maybe I am older, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: don't want to date myself or eggs myself. But we
Speaker 1: at a time right right now where I appreciate the
Speaker 1: people that actually hit me on my line and show
Speaker 1: me supporting love, because that's what I do, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'll probably do both, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? If you really, if I know your Instagram guy,
Speaker 1: and you really praise value on that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, in the in the marathon or with the
Speaker 1: raide real when you stop, Oh my god, you know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trying to give you a Drake quote or
Speaker 1: whatever that is because you praise value on that. But really,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like you, I'm gonna pray,
Speaker 1: but you can hit me and be like about love.
Speaker 1: You could be like, hit me and post this for
Speaker 1: me dog, and I'm gonna post it for you, you you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you know, and I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: something nice behind it, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: I only do that to support you. I really could
Speaker 1: give a ship about Instagram, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: being you know what I mean, supporting in that way,
Speaker 1: I really just put up and eat some nachos, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And you ain't even really got
Speaker 1: to talk about congratulations. Really just about breaking bread and
Speaker 1: being around that energy. Absolutely, energy is what it's all about.
Speaker 1: Is I've gotten older, start to realize, man, protecting your energy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: being understanding of energy suckers, the vampires that are out
Speaker 1: here that will jack you and your whole thing and
Speaker 1: your folk. I even protected some of my folks energy.
Speaker 1: If I know you're sensitive, or I know you said
Speaker 1: wear soft up under the belly, or just if I
Speaker 1: got a bunch of good people around and somebody else
Speaker 1: is bringing some negative ship, you know, I'll attack it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll make you leave. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll make you feel like you're not wanted so that
Speaker 1: you can leave. You know, so you you you actually
Speaker 1: you're that serious about your energy. You protect your energy
Speaker 1: all costs. So you will remove a person from your
Speaker 1: situation or attempt to or do what you can to
Speaker 1: remove them situation if they're energy is off. Now what
Speaker 1: defines bad energy? Though? You gotta be responsible for your energy.
Speaker 1: So sometimes it's things id right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people are just a little anxious. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm not that anxious, but I got a little
Speaker 1: bit more chills at me. I'm from Cali. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I ain't on all that ship, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: there's some people who are envious and they ask envious questions.
Speaker 1: You know, the people right close to you that are
Speaker 1: unhealthy to accept your success even though you're trying to
Speaker 1: bring them along with you. Yeah, it's complicated, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. These things is complicated around. So I
Speaker 1: just made it a point to poke the eye out
Speaker 1: of of of of all that type of energy. And
Speaker 1: if it means I gotta be nasty to protect the
Speaker 1: good people that I'm around, because I think I talked
Speaker 1: about that. I'm cocky about the people that I'm around
Speaker 1: because they're great people, not because of their success. It's
Speaker 1: because they're legitimately great fathers. They're legitimately great people, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They care about people. So I
Speaker 1: don't want because I'm a bigger guy. We we've always
Speaker 1: been like this. We've always been on the bigger mouth side.
Speaker 1: We can go there, we can play nasty, going back
Speaker 1: and back and forth with somebody. Everybody ain't built like that.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of aggressive. So I use that aggressiveness
Speaker 1: to protect people. I love and to protect the energy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Other besides that, you probably
Speaker 1: ain't gonna ever hear from me. You might think something
Speaker 1: wrong with me. Probably gonna be enjoyed or you know,
Speaker 1: some some brown water and some cannabis. I'm probably just
Speaker 1: gonna be in the cut blinking and staring and watching
Speaker 1: ship because that's what I like to do on my
Speaker 1: people watching and you know, that's just my vibe. But
Speaker 1: if it's a it's it's about bid energy and it's
Speaker 1: my family or my people around, then I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: be an asshole. What's brown water whiskey? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? In my old fashioned I wanted to know
Speaker 1: you for somebody that that partakes not you know, you
Speaker 1: don't drink that much, but but you do drink. You
Speaker 1: do drink when it's the opportunity or the occasion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's proper to drink. How is it that you've managed
Speaker 1: to keep the weight off. You've got skinnier than from
Speaker 1: the muscle mass. Yeah you skinner. You look skinnier as
Speaker 1: a human being, uh now than you did when I
Speaker 1: knew what I know you from back in the day. Bro. Yeah, Bro,
Speaker 1: I lost hell of muscle mass and I eat to
Speaker 1: my activity level. And I really don't drink unless I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see y'all were not do I'm gonna turn up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But if you don't drink
Speaker 1: like that, yeah, yeah, but if it's with it was
Speaker 1: was fan, But I don't drink like that. And I
Speaker 1: just try to do something every day. I got the
Speaker 1: ship from you, you know what I mean, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. You always doing something on the
Speaker 1: body instead of when I noticed there's something I don't
Speaker 1: like about my body, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: just go work on it. Yeah, instantly. If I got time,
Speaker 1: it's like I ain't really feeling it, and I go around.
Speaker 1: I used that to go around or all going here
Speaker 1: on the peloton, you know what I mean, and take
Speaker 1: like an hour class and then do another stretching. So
Speaker 1: I just try to keep it moving whenever I start
Speaker 1: getting locked or I feel like stagnant or I don't
Speaker 1: like something. You know, we we get older, you know,
Speaker 1: ships starting to sag. You know, are you looking at
Speaker 1: your ship? You know I didn't know that was there,
Speaker 1: you know, grays, whatever it is, I just attack it
Speaker 1: where I lean into it. I'm never gonna die anything.
Speaker 1: I love my grays. I can't wait till it all
Speaker 1: turns white, you know what I mean. And I'm just
Speaker 1: pretty much comfortable with my own skin. But as far
Speaker 1: as just fitness and keeping weight off, it's probably they're
Speaker 1: not drinking and eating it to my activity. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're you know, I see you, I see you
Speaker 1: and Ray. You guys are walking around your lu lu
Speaker 1: lu lumn and all your little fancy expensive sweat pans.
Speaker 1: I gotta stand next to Ray, Hey, I gotta stand
Speaker 1: next to telling my nerves. Man. A couple of months ago,
Speaker 1: he put me up against it. He had this and
Speaker 1: I looked at mine, and you know, my nipple was
Speaker 1: running towards towards my armpit a little bit, just a
Speaker 1: little bit, and I'm like, damn, man, Okay, I see
Speaker 1: I can't stand next to Ray. Up. Just how we're
Speaker 1: gonna play? So push ups every day on the ap
Speaker 1: like that, okay, only feeling that? Okay, let me let
Speaker 1: me make it. Let me do two hunting push up
Speaker 1: from the sit ups every day on the app right, Ray,
Speaker 1: Ray puts us to shame, Man, what do you what
Speaker 1: did you get up at five in the morning, does yoga,
Speaker 1: he run, he's he looks for those. Let's get the
Speaker 1: description of this guy. How old is Ray thirty six
Speaker 1: thirty second yea forty years old. He looks like he's
Speaker 1: about twenty two. He's like a muscle muscle bound, just buff,
Speaker 1: light skinned, green eyed dude from the town, Your typical
Speaker 1: classic town. He's been walking on his tippytoes and he's
Speaker 1: been about ten years old. His calfs are ridiculous dog,
Speaker 1: ridiculous calf like. He's known by the calf bro good.
Speaker 1: We love, we love Ray, We love when you get
Speaker 1: Ray shot. Also wanted to give him our guy, be
Speaker 1: Lloyd shout out. I was actually with Brandon down to
Speaker 1: the day. Goo uh. He's a loyal, dedicated listener of
Speaker 1: the show. Here. I know he's gonna really look forward
Speaker 1: to hearing this one and he's gonna be leave my room. Man. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: that's our guy. So I wanted to shout him out, man.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's it all right. So let's get to
Speaker 1: the story about Brandon and the Jesus sand because look,
Speaker 1: when you bring up stuff like that, we have to
Speaker 1: talk about it. First of all, Brandon Lloyd's from Tulsa, Oklahoma, Okay,
Speaker 1: came out to l A on his recruiting trip. Right
Speaker 1: he comes to U C l A. I think me
Speaker 1: and yours. I forgot who hosted him, but it was
Speaker 1: my years, so I think it was on you. Was
Speaker 1: it on your visit? I remember? I don't know so.
Speaker 1: But then, so what's the story. What's it on his notes?
Speaker 1: That's Carlos at the campus. No, that's Carlos Boozer. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about the Buren Stocks, the Birkin Stocks on the
Speaker 1: physics the first first day the campus, when we was
Speaker 1: all together on the on the team and some non
Speaker 1: burking Stocks off brand sandals. The Jesus said, man, that
Speaker 1: was that was back when Lloyd had when Lloyd's toads
Speaker 1: wearing green. Oh, he said, Lloyd showed up looking a
Speaker 1: lot like Ray Young, but the white version. Don't sleep.
Speaker 1: I'll be Lloyd used to looking like a little tail back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lloyd was Lloyd. Lloyd was one of the most obsessive
Speaker 1: people with his weight and his his body looked. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was obsessive. I'll never forget how cut he got.
Speaker 1: I think his junior year did he started wearing tight
Speaker 1: jeans and going to the Sentry Club with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got exposed in he changed Lloyd. Shout out to
Speaker 1: Lloyd all this beautiful wife and his beautiful kids down
Speaker 1: and San Diego. Man. But it's always nice to remember
Speaker 1: the times. Man. Are U c l A experienced line
Speaker 1: was one that was pretty legendary. Uh. We talked about
Speaker 1: numerous things about it before. But but one thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up. I don't think we've talked about before.
Speaker 1: Um dry our our time, right, I wanted to know
Speaker 1: and just to be completely honest from a life skills perspective, Right,
Speaker 1: did you learn anything when you and I had to
Speaker 1: go through our little counts a link situation where we
Speaker 1: got in trouble? Did you learn anything from Dr Geen?
Speaker 1: Did you take like for later in life? Because she
Speaker 1: could always tell us. Look, Magelanni had to see the same.
Speaker 1: I think she was a psychiatrists or a counselor type
Speaker 1: of lady. We got into that. We got in trouble
Speaker 1: at U c l A. You know, we got I
Speaker 1: think we failed a drug test smoking a little bit
Speaker 1: too much mirror or something like or something like that.
Speaker 1: We were early on the cannabis movement. We were advocating
Speaker 1: early we're ahead of the curve, and we got popped
Speaker 1: and we had we had to go through sort of
Speaker 1: this you know, rehabilitation program. And we're gonna be upfront
Speaker 1: and honest about this because for me personally, my meetings
Speaker 1: with Dr Gene Lovely Lady was really frank, honest and
Speaker 1: upfront about everything. Didn't pull any punches right, would just
Speaker 1: tell you about yourself in a such a smart, intelligent way.
Speaker 1: You had no you had no choice but to listen.
Speaker 1: And I think that my time with her and talking
Speaker 1: to her, those all those dates him twelve fourteen weeks,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, I think that was some life changing
Speaker 1: stuff for me. Yeah, loco, Yeah it was. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It shout out to Dr Jean Jeane
Speaker 1: wherever you are. You know what I mean, because only
Speaker 1: did when when when I got older, When I got older,
Speaker 1: not in my thirties, but just as I got away
Speaker 1: from U C. L A. I saw the work that
Speaker 1: she did for us, you know what I mean? Uh?
Speaker 1: And And that's how it's a hats off to how
Speaker 1: great she was because we didn't know the blessing that
Speaker 1: she was giving us at the time because of what
Speaker 1: we were going through. But she did really do a
Speaker 1: good job preparing for us for what was next. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens if we have a different
Speaker 1: psychologist or whatever legl she as if if it's not
Speaker 1: very different, because the one of the big part of
Speaker 1: everything was showing up and going. And I know that
Speaker 1: if it was anyone else that I would not have
Speaker 1: been motivated to go. I sort of developed not I won't.
Speaker 1: I call it a not an addiction, but I needed
Speaker 1: to see g but I needed to go see the ERG.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go talk to her because I loved
Speaker 1: our last conversation and she did that like fourteen times
Speaker 1: in a row. She was definitely someone that gave me
Speaker 1: some life coping skills, some you know, tools to deal
Speaker 1: with you know whatever issues that were at the at
Speaker 1: the root of sort of my learning issue. But again,
Speaker 1: and that leads me into my last question man about
Speaker 1: mental health man, because we can talk about this all
Speaker 1: the timeline and we get deep into it. And when
Speaker 1: you see a guy like Delonte West who who fell
Speaker 1: and who fell off the wagon and you know, got
Speaker 1: a little bit of trouble, we're hoping the best for him,
Speaker 1: and you see other guys x NBA guys retired athletes
Speaker 1: that you know put themselves in interesting predicaments or situations.
Speaker 1: What do you think you can do or NBA lumni
Speaker 1: can do to help support their other NBA bretern that
Speaker 1: have fallen on hard times. And man, get the bros
Speaker 1: out of the house. If you gotta if you gotta
Speaker 1: found ation and you got a game, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, You got a golf game, you got anything
Speaker 1: that you're doing. Find good ways to get the bros
Speaker 1: out of the house to attend the sporting event, a
Speaker 1: Rams game, a Panthers game that a lot like what
Speaker 1: we talked about it and get you out of your
Speaker 1: head and you know what I mean, help you reassess
Speaker 1: in a in a live situation better. Because if you
Speaker 1: just at the crib which your sorrow is buried underneath,
Speaker 1: you know your bs, you forget that life is moving
Speaker 1: around outside and there's still opportunities. And if you've got
Speaker 1: some good friends, you know what I mean, they want
Speaker 1: to help you out. They might be waiting on you
Speaker 1: to hand you an opportunity or to see if you're
Speaker 1: healthy enough to accept the blessing. So if you if
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep yourself hidden a way, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's a fifty fifty thing. You might be
Speaker 1: able to you know what I mean, get out of
Speaker 1: that rut. You might be able to not. But if
Speaker 1: we can just get each other out of the house,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. People got wives, you know, kids,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is, health retreats. We should all
Speaker 1: be going somewhere every quarter or whatever. We talked. We
Speaker 1: talked about doing that. Yeah, yeah, that we need to
Speaker 1: start that because it's a real thing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Every people got stressful jobs, people in different
Speaker 1: places in their life. And I think once we come
Speaker 1: together at that, you know what I mean, and build
Speaker 1: and then send each other back and then come back
Speaker 1: with information and oh this is great, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate and then you send each other
Speaker 1: back and we just keep coming back. And you know
Speaker 1: that's how you know, the black community and even what
Speaker 1: I'm just speak to the black community because a lot
Speaker 1: of us are black athletes, and you know they're going
Speaker 1: through this something. That's what we did in the first place,
Speaker 1: arm arm each other up, sending back out, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, bringing back Oh this is going on
Speaker 1: over here. They're doing it this way over here, and
Speaker 1: so and so said this. I found this guy who
Speaker 1: said that help us out, because that's what our uh
Speaker 1: they're not even rivals, that's what the other side is doing.
Speaker 1: And I mean I mean that in the most respectful
Speaker 1: type of way. You know what I mean. I mean
Speaker 1: the other side. I mean the guys that didn't come
Speaker 1: from our neighborhoods and get scholarships or have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to for just paid in the NBA and do all
Speaker 1: this scrap ships. So I just think if we get
Speaker 1: each other out of the house, commune, break bread, send
Speaker 1: each other back out, you know what I mean, check
Speaker 1: off on each other, I think will be a lot
Speaker 1: better because, like you said, there's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: in the crib just in their head. I agreed. I've
Speaker 1: seen it work. I've seen it work in real time
Speaker 1: with our unit, right, So it worked. It worked. It's
Speaker 1: a pretty dynamic, interesting unit. And we got NBA coaches, agents, CEOs, entrepreneurs,
Speaker 1: people in the media space. Long the egos, the egos
Speaker 1: in that room, and when I walk in the room
Speaker 1: with you guys, man, you guys egos are incorrect. All
Speaker 1: you NBA guys, Oh, man, I hate it. It sucks
Speaker 1: like I have to like fight to get word. I
Speaker 1: have to fight to get a word, to fight to
Speaker 1: get a word with you, cocky poppas NBA dudes. Now LNS,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the LNS, the term I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna let it fly, y'all gotta do he gotta
Speaker 1: he gotta unbuild it. He desires out you with the
Speaker 1: Aproman stands for as it correlates to this particular situation.
Speaker 1: But yes, he has a whole line of products you know,
Speaker 1: with LNS on it correlates to these types of things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a Instagram shop pretty soon too. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get this thing going, my brother. Um. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, line, I'm excited for you.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you, man, I'm excited for all these
Speaker 1: projects that you got coming up. Man, make sure that
Speaker 1: you know you keep us updated on the show about
Speaker 1: anything new that development. Would love to have you back,
Speaker 1: my brother. Uh, thank you so much for your time
Speaker 1: to thank you. Want to give anybody any shot outs
Speaker 1: before we go, man, I'm gonna going to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to Joanna McCoy and my wife who has
Speaker 1: been holding it down, you know where, for you've known
Speaker 1: there since she was sixteen years old. So I don't
Speaker 1: never really give her a shout out of her flowers.
Speaker 1: I don't really give myself a shout out at to much.
Speaker 1: But she deserves a lot of credit for being able
Speaker 1: to put up with me and to be able to
Speaker 1: do some of this stuff. And then shout out to
Speaker 1: brother Barnes and Stephen Jackson, you know what I mean
Speaker 1: for trusting me. You know what I mean with this opportunity,
Speaker 1: And shout out to you man, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Joe Siyah, Yes, Sir, y'r sir, appreciate you, my man.
Speaker 1: Joannie McCoy, I'm kJ Live