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Speaker 1: I am Chad Noman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: It's the middle of June. My bff, my companion, Mike Padre,

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Speaker 1: Simon Hunter, professional better from the Fighting City of Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Brother? A little hunger over this morning.

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Speaker 1: But I'm a trooper. I'm here after an old concert

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Speaker 1: last night. I'm here to talk about movies. Listen, there's

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Speaker 1: director director, all the credit for that that, But I

429
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Speaker 1: also have to compredit to Adam as a producer because

430
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Speaker 1: when after when we first were trying to find director

431
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Speaker 1: because remember first we're trying to get it for summer.

432
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Speaker 1: So they went out really quickly. And Jeremiah's first movie

433
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Speaker 1: called We the Animals, and he what two things you'll

434
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Speaker 1: notice about it if you're watch it. It's like, it's

435
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: visually very interesting. It's a low budget movie. He did

436
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Speaker 1: a ton with the camera that really it's visceral and

437
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: you just continue. You knew he had a great eye.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that is he worked with non actors,

439
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: so Adam knew as a producer and he doesn't get

440
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Speaker 1: nearly enough credit like he he is. He was the

441
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Speaker 1: key producer of the movie beyond being the star in

442
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: the Driving Force like that decision was huge and so

443
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 1: every every NBA player we had a director who knew

444
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Speaker 1: how to get those natural moments. But I'll tell you

445
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 1: specifically about Kenny because I beating. I met Kenny at

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Speaker 1: the premiere. I saw him in Philly, and I mean,

447
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 1: I'll probably acide the last time, so I'll probably see

448
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: you again in my life. This is really cool for

449
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: makes I watch you like every night for all of

450
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Speaker 1: the spring. Um. He he said this. The other thing

451
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Speaker 1: I think is the way these guys are wired. So

452
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Speaker 1: this is just what Kenny told me when he he

453
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Speaker 1: read the script and Adam had called him to to

454
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Speaker 1: just say want him to do it. And Kenny had

455
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Speaker 1: played like himself and cameos, but he's never done like

456
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Speaker 1: a real acting thing, so he knew. He said, I

457
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Speaker 1: need twenty four hours he and he just like thought

458
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Speaker 1: about it because once he decided to do it, he

459
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Speaker 1: was going to he did. He did he acting coach

460
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 1: every day for a month. He just worked like two

461
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Speaker 1: or three hours a day to to be to becolm

462
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Speaker 1: the actors. So his like his pro athlete work ethic

463
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: kicked in and once he decided to do it, he's

464
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Speaker 1: gonna do it great. So I think a lot of

465
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Speaker 1: these guys, you know, some of that is just like

466
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Speaker 1: you know you're gonna do something. You're not going to

467
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Speaker 1: just mail it in. You're gonna do it. You're gonna

468
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Speaker 1: do it really well. So in that combination of that

469
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Speaker 1: with the director who really knows how to get those

470
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Speaker 1: natural moments, um, yeah, it really worked out. And that's

471
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Speaker 1: the coolest feeling. Man, Like you can't being a writer.

472
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Speaker 1: You just you control so little, you know. Again, it's

473
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Speaker 1: like being a role player. If you you can be

474
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Speaker 1: an amazing role player if you're not on a team

475
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Speaker 1: with you, honest, if you're not on a team with

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477
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Speaker 1: the the the guy to get you there, but there's

478
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Speaker 1: a it's an amazing feeling when it does. And also,

479
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Speaker 1: you know, we play an important role, but it's just

480
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: the movie is so much out of our hands. Well,

481
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Speaker 1: you mentioned the most important word to me, which was

482
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: this movie was really natural and seamless. It didn't go

483
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Speaker 1: for anything cheap, like. Adam Sandler's lines felt completely reactive.

484
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Speaker 1: And in the moment um, you know, he and Kenny

485
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Speaker 1: Smith are sitting around a pool in Spain and there's

486
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Speaker 1: beautiful women all over and they're all topless, and uh,

487
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Speaker 1: Kenny Smith is trying to get Adam Sandler to turn around,

488
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Speaker 1: and Adam Sandler was like, if I turned around, my

489
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Speaker 1: wife is gonna kill me. And finally he gets him

490
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Speaker 1: to do it and they're staring at right like or

491
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Speaker 1: there was even a moment where Adam Sandler is sitting

492
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Speaker 1: at his kitchen table in a really powerful, stressful moment

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Speaker 1: towards the end of the movie, and he's texting something

494
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Speaker 1: in his daughter is trying to say something to him,

495
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Speaker 1: which ultimately turns out to be something incredibly important, but

496
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Speaker 1: he's just sort of shushing her the whole time. And

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Speaker 1: anyone who has kids who was trying to sort of

498
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Speaker 1: manage something stressful while the kids are talking to them

499
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Speaker 1: has said that line a thousand times. But the way

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Speaker 1: he said and the way it was delivered just felt

501
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Speaker 1: like he was a dude who was a dad talking

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Speaker 1: to his daughter. It's just like everything about the movie

503
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Speaker 1: actually felt really sort of totally perfect, and Jabal fetters.

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Speaker 1: That's a tough thing to do. I'll say one last

505
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Speaker 1: thing about that, because that again goes to the you

506
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Speaker 1: know that there's a script element to it, but that

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Speaker 1: that was something to be able to walk the line

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Speaker 1: and tone between like you know, a drama that that's

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Speaker 1: but then also to be able to have a scene

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512
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Speaker 1: Adams seen at the pool. Like Adam's superpower is that

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514
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515
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Speaker 1: so I know him enough to say that from personal experience.

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Speaker 1: But there that the line between the movie being funny

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Speaker 1: like that's a scripted scene that's like, it's funny, it's

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say not that I'm pitching an Center's

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Speaker 1: next movie, but by all means you've done football. He's

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Speaker 1: on basketball. I mean, he's done these movies. People forget.

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00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I will never forget Big Daddy. He had a scene

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Speaker 1: where he's hitting baseballs. That is not a kid that

565
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Speaker 1: has a naturally good baseball swing. I don't know if

566
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: you played it growing up, but to me, that's the

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Speaker 1: next thing I don't need needs to do a baseball movie.

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00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: It's like, you can tell again he's a hooper. I've

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Speaker 1: seen these photos of always going around shooting hoops. I

570
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: bet you Adams a baseball player. Like again, his stance,

571
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: the way he swung the bat. I have no doubt

572
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 1: Adam wants to do a baseball movie. You can just

573
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Speaker 1: tell he's naturally a baseball player. So I would love

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Speaker 1: to hear. If this is what makes you, this is

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Speaker 1: what makes you a shark, this makes you a pro pro,

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Speaker 1: You'll notice those little details. You pick it up from

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Speaker 1: the swing and Big Daddy that you're right. That is

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Speaker 1: his best sport is the sport that he And when

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Speaker 1: you talked about this at dinner, Unzo, and it was

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00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: like that, yeah, because one of my favorite movies Bull

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Speaker 1: Dohm and Uh and I and it just like Adam

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Speaker 1: in a role like crash, like he would just crush

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Speaker 1: and and so it's definitely something that I don't ask yet,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's something that I think if I could

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Speaker 1: find the right way, and um, I think I'd love

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00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: to find him like or a league of their own,

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Speaker 1: like a movie that just he gets to play like

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Speaker 1: he could he could play the manager. I think at

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Speaker 1: this point you know he was talking about that too.

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00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: How it's like, you know, it's everybody, we all get

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Speaker 1: an except chat. That was very good for I imagine

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Speaker 1: you're older than thirty five. But I feel like once

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Speaker 1: I hit forty. I just turned forty last year, and

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00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: it's like the bags under my eyes get get heavier,

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Speaker 1: and you know, just trying to hold onto the hair

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Speaker 1: on my head and Adam, you're the joints start to

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Speaker 1: hurt and it's like, oh man, this is crazy. And Adam,

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Speaker 1: he's in his fifties so he held on a little longer.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's I think he is actually being

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Speaker 1: a player. Maybe we're past that, but he could be

601
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Speaker 1: a great manager. Um number one, everyone knows that Jews

602
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Speaker 1: from New Hampshire great as It's like undiscovered athletics to

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Speaker 1: everyone knows. Uh. Yeah, I am older than both of you.

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Speaker 1: Fucker's Uh. I stopped playing basketball at forty when I

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Speaker 1: in the span of six months, tore my labor, broke

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Speaker 1: a rib and shredded a finger and decided that's it.

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00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm done. Um, I feel like I would want to

608
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Speaker 1: have a all day movie fest with Will Simon because

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Speaker 1: Bull Durham is one of my favorite movies. I felt

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Speaker 1: like and and and it's hard to thread the needle

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00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: on sports movies. And now there's two great Philadelphia sports movies. Invincible, uh,

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Speaker 1: the Vince Papali Story, which, uh, let's let you're really

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Speaker 1: gonna about Rocky. I wasn't gonna forget Rocky, so we're

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Speaker 1: not in it. So it's Invincible and Invincible. I said,

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Speaker 1: three Invincible, Rocky and now Hustle three Great Philadelphia. I

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Speaker 1: love Invincible to chat. We should do a movie thing sometimes,

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Speaker 1: I I really do. Uh. It was a movie I

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Speaker 1: remember seen in the theater and being like, damn, I

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Speaker 1: really actually I'm enjoying this and I knew part of

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Speaker 1: his probably because like I'm from Philly. It grew up

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Speaker 1: going to that stadium. Well, I Philly area and not

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Speaker 1: from Philly. Gaff forbid. I don't want to Donna claim,

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Speaker 1: you know, heritage I don't have. But that's a weird

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Speaker 1: thing being from women in Delaware. It's like Jeremiah was

625
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Speaker 1: born in South Philly, and Jeremiah like authentic. His dad

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Speaker 1: uh an artist designed to the gardens. There's some art

627
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Speaker 1: in there that his dad is. He's like super authentic,

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Speaker 1: Like he did grow up in the city. When you're

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Speaker 1: outside the city, it's like it's like it's your city.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not from the city, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So I don't. I didn't get to like the favorite

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Speaker 1: son treatment, but I did get to like, well, he's

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Speaker 1: the reason the movies here, so um well as the

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Speaker 1: person who wrote the book Invincible, Uh, well, really That's

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Speaker 1: all I wanted to say is that I wrote the

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Speaker 1: book invincible, But really, how do I know that? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's one of my seven one of my seven books. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it was I didn't with Vince Papali, who's one of

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Speaker 1: the classiest guys in the world. Love the guy to death. Uh,

640
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: pure joy, pure optimism, pure happiness. I would drive at

641
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: the time, I was living in Montclair, New Jersey. He

642
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: was in Cherry Hill. I would drive down from Montclair

643
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: ninety minutes down uh the turnpike to Cherry Hill, and

644
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I'd sit in his basement and I turned on my

645
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: recorder and he would just start talking. He would tell

646
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: the greatest stories in the world, so many stories that

647
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: couldn't even end up in the book. And um and

648
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: at one point, it was right when my second kid

649
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: was born, so I was exhausted. And there was one

650
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: day where I started to fall asleep while I was

651
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: recording him in his basement, and I sort of knighted off,

652
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: Like you know how when you're in class sometimes you'll

653
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: not often drink your head up. So I did that

654
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: and he looks and he goes, you don't worry about

655
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: a brother. I can just keep talking and it was

656
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: just like it was the best. It was the total best.

657
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: He was the best. If we were to have a

658
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: movie fest day, I would do Invincible, I would do Builderham,

659
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: I would do Cusier's Um, I would do Moneyball, which

660
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: I feel like. You had a scene in Hustle that

661
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a of an homage to

662
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: Moneyball when everyone's sitting around the table in the beginning

663
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: talking about players and stuff. And my my kid actually

664
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: asked me he wanted to know from you, was that

665
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: sort of a was that inspired by the scene in Moneyball? Uh?

666
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't the sense that that's how teams really work.

667
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously I thought about it, but what

668
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: wasn't specifically like that. Honestly, the scene of money Ball

669
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: I feel like plays a little more even like like

670
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: the thing I was talking about, the line you walk

671
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: between like movie scene and and just being like delivering

672
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: the information. I love that scene because Brad keeps pointing

673
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: to Jonah like, uh, you know, he gets on base.

674
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: That's what I mean by it's it's got a rhythm

675
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: and there's like there's a there's kind of a running joke.

676
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: But Aaron Starking great right. I think Steve's Allien wrote

677
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: that with him too. Um, But anyway, this one was

678
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: more it was. It was definitely that's un conscious of that.

679
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: But when I so my first past, I knew, I

680
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: knew that we had this whole uh construct within the team.

681
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: The seventies sixes were super cool and once they kind

682
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: of gave us permission to use um, you know, they

683
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: just got involved. They jumped in with both feet. And

684
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Dell Demps was our technical advisor, and I spoke to

685
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: Dell Demps like pretty much right away. So off my

686
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: first draft, he and I started talking about like what

687
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: that scene would really sound like. And then the deeper

688
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: we got into the movie, you know, like there's stuff

689
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: during even during production. You know, they made little changes

690
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: during the productions there even the any line of that

691
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: was on there that wasn't like exactly what somebody would say,

692
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, kept was was was changing what somebody would say.

693
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: So that that is very much. Um, it's meant to

694
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: be authentic, and that's how they really do it, man

695
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: and sit around and they argue about it. So I

696
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: found something to like Sacramento Kings drafting room, which not

697
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: the one you necessarily want to model. But that's what

698
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: they don't sit around you argue about who who to

699
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: take and why. Del Dens by the way, former player,

700
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: current coach. So yeah, here's my question for you. Will

701
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: first then signing if we're having a movie day, I've

702
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: given some movies, but there's one I'm holding out on.

703
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: I want to know what is the betting movie that

704
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: you would add to our movie day festival lineup. The

705
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: tough thing here is that I feel like both of

706
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: the two that came to my mind are like kind

707
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: of Homer picks, but like so Uncut Gems is such

708
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: a fantastic gambling movie as far as just like the

709
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: energy how it typically ends for most gambler's metaphorically um.

710
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: And then Silver Linings Playbook, which is another one which

711
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: I thought they just did such a good job of

712
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: weaving the gambling part of the story that was really

713
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: a hard line to walk, and I mean David Russell's

714
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: and incredible at that, but like to make kind of

715
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: like an ending that's it could have been really cheesy

716
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: to have like the dance in the parlay, but like

717
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: it just plays. Um, those two would be on. And

718
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna give you three and I also I

719
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: love UM trying to think of one outside the Box

720
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: and Michael Clayton where he he is a he is

721
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: a gambling problem and it's kind of the backstory and

722
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: he plays cards in the movies technically counts and I

723
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: just absolutely love that movie. It kind of got It

724
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: came out the year of UM. It's like when you know,

725
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: any team that ran into Michael Jordan's Bulls, like you

726
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: weren't gonna win the finals. Like so Michael Clayton came

727
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: out and was the Oscars the same year as No

728
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: Country for Old Men and There Will be Blood, And

729
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: I just love that movie. And it just kind of

730
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: got so that that would be on my list. Probably

731
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: there's a couple other obvious ones. I'll give Simon, what

732
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: would you say? My number one is easy. It's Rounders.

733
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: I watched Rounders so many times. I burned the VHS

734
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: tape with Rounders. Um, three stacks of high society, don't

735
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: splash the pot, I mean all all of it. I again,

736
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: this is when I was young, and Worlds as a

737
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: Poker was really big in the early two thousand, two

738
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: thousand one, like Chris Moneymaker was just a big deal

739
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: and I'll just never forget where it was like, this

740
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: is why I want to do for the rest of

741
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: my life. I just want to play poker and kind

742
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: of be a card counter like these guys. And as

743
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: I got older, I was like, Okay, now I really

744
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: understand the movie. These guys are miserable as hell, kind

745
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: and trying to get to this lifestyle. So for for me, gambler,

746
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: I I can't get around big of a part of

747
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: my life. Rounders was because it was just not that

748
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: it's authentic, but it really shows you what it's like,

749
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have these huge risk you need to

750
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: go for it, and you might end up being a

751
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: ups man the rest of your life. Like there's just

752
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: really a lot of risk in this gambling world. I

753
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: felt Rounders, you know, it really broke that down in

754
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: a in a sense that, um, you know, I love

755
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Adam Sandler, but most most professional betters aren't doing a

756
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: thirteen team parlay to get their money back at the

757
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: end of the thing. It's like it's more like Rounders,

758
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: where it's like, Okay, I'm going for I gotta beat

759
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: this one guy get the money to go do this

760
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: next step in my life. So you know, it's always

761
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: it's always interesting that we've seen movies progress now with gambling,

762
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: because what's the number one thing at the end of

763
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: a gaming movie. They wanted to remind you gambling is bad.

764
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: You don't want to be doing this. So I thought

765
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: that was kind of cool Rounders where they didn't really

766
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: have to do that. They showed kind of the other

767
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: side of it, where it's like you can swim through

768
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: all the slush, all the ship, all the mud, and

769
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: you can make out the other side. So yeah, for me,

770
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: from my favorite gambling movie was definitely always gonna be Rounders.

771
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: So that's a good man, That's what I mean. That

772
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: is really even that insight on it. It is a

773
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: really good one. Rounders is great. It's funny, will no joke.

774
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: In the past two weeks, I've watched Michael Clayton and

775
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: Silver Linings Playbook. Um over Lining Playbook. I had forgotten

776
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: how good it was. So Jennifer Lawrence, she won an

777
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: Academy Award for that. Bradley Cooper was in that. They

778
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: were amazing together. Uh, the way they kept saying a

779
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: parlay was really funny and like the put the where

780
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: they put the accent on it and how they talked

781
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: about it. But the sweatshirt, people can't see it necessarily,

782
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: but Simon is wearing an old school Eagles. Yeah, and

783
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: that is like so Silver Linings Playbook. Um, I love

784
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: both of those movies. Uncut Gems. That was gonna be

785
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: my first choice. And uh, it's such a controversial gambling movie.

786
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: Some people just absolutely hate it. I loved it and

787
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing, loved everything about it, and um,

788
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: but we've had people on the podcast you just cannot

789
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: stand that movie. And I don't know why. I thought

790
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: it was I thought it was me. I thought Salmon

791
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: it was great in it. Yeah, I think maybe it's

792
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: they genuinely don't like the way it made them feel.

793
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: Like you people, it's not necessarily enjoyable experience, but the

794
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: movie is incredible to make you feel that way. Yeah,

795
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: it's the anxiety you feel that that whole movie, with

796
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: his characters. That's an all time robbery. I'm not getting

797
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: nominated for that. That was I mean, honestly, you should

798
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: have one. But that was so far in away one

799
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: of the US performances of the year, and given everything

800
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: else he's done, I would have expected it. But yeah,

801
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: Uncle James is up there. The Gambler, I think also

802
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: has to be right. Yeah, I mean the Gambler, but

803
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: it almost feels cliche. And also it's so fucking old now,

804
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: like it's as old as I am, right and so

805
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: um and that is a dark early seventies like almost

806
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: new Irish, almost too realistic look at the life of

807
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: a sports better in the life of the Gambler, I

808
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: think we got our line upset, we got a rounders,

809
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: we got uncut gems, we got silver linings, we got

810
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: Michael Clayton. The only one I would add, uh is

811
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: twenty one, which was based on the book Bringing Down

812
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: the House, written by Alan Lobe, who is another screenwriter

813
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: who's been in the podcast a lot amazing translation to

814
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: the book. Uh, and I just really liked the movie.

815
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: It was fine. It was candy, it was popcorny like

816
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: it just sort of it was sexy. I think it's

817
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: a good one. I'll add to just because yeah, I

818
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: think you gotta put rain Man. Um, we can just

819
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: extend the day, We'll go into the night. Yea, I

820
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: will put rain Man. And then the only other one

821
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: I thought about this and I think it's also it's

822
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: a sports movie, and I think it absolutely is a

823
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: gambling movie because of the eight Men. Of the Eight

824
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: Men out Field of Dreams, Field Up Dreams, he what

825
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: he's effectively doing is gambling, and it's like you can

826
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: make that parallel for it. It's it is a reach

827
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: in some sense, but he very much financially bets everything

828
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: on something that that he feels is going to pay

829
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: off without with no rational reason. Um. And I think

830
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: that I actually really thought it was interesting with said

831
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: about watching Rounders meant to Become because I think about

832
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: the scene in which You'll Know and when he's with

833
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: Martin Landau and he talks about how he they wanted

834
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: him to become a rabbi, his parents, and he went

835
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: into two law and he was just that's what he

836
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: was called to do that. And I think that I

837
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 1: never really thought about it from that perspective because obviously

838
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: not a professional gambler, uh that that that does show

839
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: you that this is like it's okay to want to

840
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: do this, like it's not, it doesn't it's not for

841
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: all for degenerates. It's like it can be a living

842
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: and it's and it's like it's math, you know. So

843
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: I think it's cool that that that played a role

844
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: in your origin story. Let's not compliment Simon, all right,

845
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: I won't. We don't. We don't compliment Sigmon either. We don't.

846
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: So much love as it is, that's all. Really, it's

847
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: all really funny video on Twitter. I barely am on Twitter,

848
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: but somehow I saw one of you somebody cut together

849
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: you like turning changing your pick because this was so funny.

850
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: That's great. Just like the different like you couldn't have

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