1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Richard Salamat. 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: And I'm Doug Prisner. Here are the stories we're following today. 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we are really looking at Beijing, which 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: is focusing in on the markets and trying to really 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: perhaps solidify or try to make these markets less fragile, 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: at least with authorities asking some mutual funds that avoid 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: selling equities in order to boost confidence and indeed markets overall. 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Juan One has. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: More sources, says Stock exchanges issue to the so called 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: window guidance to several large mutual fundhouses, and these mutual 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 3: fundhouses were told to refrain for a day from selling 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 3: more on shore shares than they purchased. This comes just 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: today after financial regulators announced a slew of measures to 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: invigorate capital markets. But China's CSI three hundred index has 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: shown on lack of conviction even as authorities boosted efforts 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: to woop back investors in Hong Kong. I'm joined Wan 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: Bloomberg day Brigaisia well. 18 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: US Commerce Secretary Gina Romundo is in China this week. 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: She was speaking earlier in saying the trade and transparency 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: can serve as the foundation for better ties between these 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: two trading partners. Here's Ramundo speaking in Beijing. 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 4: We agree to establish a new Commercial Issues working group, 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 4: a formal working group which will involve US in Chinese 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 4: government officials and very importantly US and Chinese commercial private 25 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: sector representatives as we seek solutions on trade and investment 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 4: issues and to advance US commercial. 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: Interests in China. 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 2: That is Commerce Secretary Gina Ramundo. She went on to 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: say that she told her Chinese counterpart, Wang went Tao, 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: that the US has no intention to hinder China's economic progress. 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: And these two, that would be Ramundo and Wang agreed 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: to speak on a regular basis and at least meet 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: once a year now. Wang said that China was ready 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: to work with the US to boost trade and to 35 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: foster a mal favorable environment for businesses, not just in 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: the US, but in China as well. 37 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: Rashad right, Well, we got President Biden be traveling to 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: Vietnam in September, he said, to meet with the General 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Secretary there Nu and Vutrong and other leaders. That's get 40 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: details now from Bloomberg's Charlie Pennett. 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 5: Biden plans to head to Hanoi on September tenth, where 42 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 5: the leaders will discuss ways to deepen cooperation between the 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 5: two countries. Out a Democratic fundraiser earlier this month, Biden 44 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 5: said he planned to visit Vietnam soon as the US 45 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 5: looks to strengthen ties with Asia nations and reduce Chinese 46 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 5: influence in the region. In New York, Charlie Pellett Bloomberg 47 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: Daybreak Asia. 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: Well in China BYD has reported its weakest revenue growth 49 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: in more than a year. We have that story from 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Baniao. 51 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 6: Revenue rose just sixty seven percent are around seventeen point 52 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 6: eight billion dollars in the second quarter. China's auto market 53 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 6: has been embroiled in a fierce price war this year. 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 6: Still not income more than doubled after the company sold 55 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 6: a record number of pluck in hybrid and fully electric 56 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 6: vehicles BYDS. Still robust financial performance will help it as 57 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 6: it navigates another period of market discounting, and its strong 58 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 6: sales volume performance in recent months has enabled it to 59 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 6: maintain its lead over Folkswagen as China's best selling car 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 6: brand this year. In Hong Kong, I'm Bonnie ol Bloomberg Daybreak. 61 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: Asia Well Back in the US and Goblin Sachs striking 62 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: a neal to sell an investment advisory unit. Let's get 63 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: details now from Bloomberg's and Kates. 64 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 7: For an undisclosed price, wealth management firm Creative Planning will 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 7: acquire the business, aimed at the mass affluent market, with 66 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 7: twenty nine billion dollars in assets. It grew out of 67 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 7: United Capital, which Goldman purchased for seven hundred and fifty 68 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 7: million dollars in twenty nineteen. The offloading of the company 69 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 7: just four years later signals Goldman's plans to refocus its 70 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 7: attention on the ultra riche, where it has a dominant 71 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 7: presence in Washington and Kate's Bloomberg Daybreak Asian. 72 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: We go to San Francisco next, where the fed's head 73 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: of Bank Supervision at the San Francisco FED will depart 74 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: at the end of October. He is Azer Abasi. He 75 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: will retire October thirty first as Executive VP of the 76 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: Supervision and Credit Group at the San Francisco FED. Now, 77 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 2: Abbassi's office had oversight of both Silicon Valley Bank and 78 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: First Republic Bank, and he, along with a president of 79 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: the San Francisco FED, Mary Daily, came under scrutiny back 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: in March when SVB and First Republic suddenly collapsed. Now, 81 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 2: those episodes revealed management shortcomings at the San Francisco FED 82 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: in it's on the ground supervision of small and medium 83 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: sized banks. Before we get to Global News, I want 84 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: to point out that chart watchers who have been looking 85 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: for clues on the next move in the equity market 86 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: have some crucial data to deal with. First, is the 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 2: forty four hundred level for the S and P five hundred. 88 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: Many technical analysts consider it to be key, and it's 89 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: holding above that level, so it's a positive sign. However, 90 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: if you look at the companies in the S and 91 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: P five five hundred where their stocks are trading relative 92 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: to their two hundred day moving averages, this is now 93 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: evenly divided, half trading above half below. That's a pretty 94 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: distinct departure from late July when two thirds of the 95 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: members in the S and P five hundred were above 96 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 2: their two hundred day moving averages. Now some analysts regard 97 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: this as a bearish indicator. Global News is next. Former 98 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: President Trump learns another lesson when it comes to his 99 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 2: trial dates. Stan Schwartzman has more from the Bloomberg newsroom 100 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: in New York. 101 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 8: Danny doug It's getting hard to keep track of all 102 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 8: these trial dates and things on Donald Trump's calendar, but 103 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 8: as of now it's March fourth. This is for attempting 104 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 8: to overturn the twenty twenty election. That date falls one 105 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 8: day before Super Tuesday, when fourteen states, including Texas and California, 106 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 8: hold their primaries. Trump is facing up to six criminal 107 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 8: and civil cases, including lawsuits personally against him, his family, 108 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 8: and his companies. Four of the cases are criminal, with 109 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 8: all carrying potential prison sentences. Trump will first being caught 110 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 8: on October second in New York to face charges he, 111 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 8: along with his sons, lied to lenders and insurers about 112 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 8: the value of his assets to get better loan rates 113 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 8: and insurance premiums. Tropical store my Dahlia is strengthening near 114 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 8: Cube as it heads toward Florida. Wins have now risen 115 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 8: to seventy miles per hour, with forecasts saying they could 116 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 8: reach one hundred and fifteen miles per hour, which would 117 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 8: be a Category three hurricane when it does reach Florida 118 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 8: on Wednesday. According to disaster modeling from Enkey Research, Idalia 119 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 8: could cause up to ten billion dollars worth of damages 120 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 8: and in losses depending on how it tracks. Governor Ron 121 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 8: De Santis has also now declared a state of emergency 122 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 8: in thirteen more counties, raising the tally to now cover 123 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 8: forty six total counties. DeSantis says Florida is preparing with 124 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 8: the federal government. 125 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 9: I have spoken with the President, I've spoken with FEMA 126 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 9: Director Chris Well, and then I've spoken with a number 127 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 9: of local officials throughout Florida's Gulf Coast, and everyone understands 128 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 9: the significance of this event, and everybody is willing to 129 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 9: work together to achieve the best possible outcome for the 130 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 9: residents of Florida. 131 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 10: Tampa International Airport also will be closed on Tuesday. In 132 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 10: a major milestone, starting Wednesday, China is going to stop 133 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 10: requiring incoming travelers to have a negative COVID test before 134 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 10: entering the country. Starting back in January, China had ended 135 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 10: quarantine requirements for citizens traveling abroad, while gradually increasing the 136 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 10: number of countries Chinese citizens could travel to, as well 137 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 10: as increasing the number of international flights. For three years, 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,119 Speaker 10: China had locked down the country in that failed COVID 139 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 10: zero policy, which included full city lockdowns and long quarantine 140 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 10: periods for those infected. A school wide alert was issued 141 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 10: at the University of North Carolina's main campus at Chapel 142 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 10: Hill of an armed and dangerous person on or near campus. 143 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 10: Details have not been really made public yet. They're saying 144 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 10: maybe one person was shot and they were looking for 145 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 10: one suspect at the time, but the campus was locked 146 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 10: down for a period of time. North Carolina Governor Roy 147 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 10: Cooper posting on x pledge state resources to capture the 148 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 10: alleged shooter as well as to protect the campus now. 149 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 10: The first alert was issued around one in the afternoon, 150 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 10: with armed officers and helicopters arriving on the scene for 151 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 10: at least two hours past that, the police giving an 152 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 10: all cleared around four to fourteen local time, which ended 153 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 10: the lockdown. Chapel Hill campus approximately has twenty thousand undergraduate 154 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 10: students in additional twelve thousand grad students. Global News twenty 155 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 10: four hours a day, powered by more than twenty seven 156 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 10: hundred journalists and analysts in more than one hundred and 157 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 10: twenty countries. I'm Dan Schwartzman. This is Bloomberg. 158 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 2: Let's get to our guest. George Sippoloni is with us. 159 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: He is portfolio manager at Penn Mutual Asset Management. He's 160 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: on the line from Philadelphia. George, let's begin with a 161 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: bond market. We had to move lower and yield today, 162 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: which was somewhat of a reversal from the Friday session 163 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: with what many regarded to be a hawkish commentary from 164 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 2: the FED chairman. How do you view the bond market 165 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: right now? 166 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 11: Hey, Doug, thanks for having me again. I really appreciate it. Yeah, 167 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 11: the bond market's in a really interesting spot because it 168 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 11: seems to be fighting some of the conversation that has 169 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 11: been had I think from. 170 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 5: The the Fed. 171 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 11: Overall, obviously, the front end is super high and that's 172 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 11: being pushed up by the Fed. It's causing some consternation 173 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 11: at banks and some deposit flight, and overall the long 174 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 11: end again it's you know, it's certainly a more flatish 175 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 11: to invert a type YEO curve at the moment. And again, 176 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 11: I think the market keeps waiting for the next signs 177 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 11: of lower inflation, potential for a soft landing, and that's 178 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 11: really what they want, because no matter what Pal seems 179 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 11: to say, they don't seem to believe him yet that 180 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 11: he's going to stay really really tough on rate. 181 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of interesting you make that point. Bloomberg's 182 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: Liz McCormick, who covers the treasury market for US, was 183 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: saying over the weekend that Powell has the bond market 184 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: exactly where he wants it, lacking conviction is to the 185 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: next steps that the Fed may take. But if you 186 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: take a look at this idea, which I think has 187 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: been taking hold to some extent, maybe a little less 188 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: so these days, that we're going to be looking at 189 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: rate cuts after the first of the year, is that 190 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: something you're expecting. 191 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 11: So I think there's a pretty interesting in Carlarry. If 192 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 11: you go back, there have been eleven periods of policy tightening, 193 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 11: and roughly half of them have been hard landings, roughly 194 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 11: half of them have been soft landing. So you really 195 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 11: don't get too much guidance there. I think one of 196 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 11: the things, as long as he keeps rates as high 197 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 11: as he's kept them, which nobody's believed him. We can 198 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 11: go back to March of twenty two when he gave 199 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 11: testimony to Senate Senator Shelby didn't believe him that he 200 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 11: was going to keep rates that high and stay tough 201 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 11: on inflation. Even from last year at Jackson Hole, the 202 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 11: market has not believed him. The stock market's up a 203 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 11: lot since then, and even now with this most recent statement. 204 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 11: So I think overall, you know, if you look at 205 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 11: what the economy's doing, I think he's kind of banking 206 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 11: on inflation coming off and giving him room to eventually 207 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 11: cut in the future. 208 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: George, I mean, it does seem that inflation and the 209 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: target for two percent may be a little bit ambitious 210 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: in the medium term because the nature and structure of 211 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: inflation may well have changed, and maybe we have to 212 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: get used to inflation's side being elevated because of various 213 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: changes in the global economic environment. 214 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 11: I think you're right, Rashad, and I think that that's 215 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 11: that's a big that should be at least a big fear. 216 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 11: So if you want to take a lesson from history 217 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 11: from the vulgar days, obviously inflation did pull back and 218 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 11: then we had a resurgence, And I really think, how 219 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 11: does not want that? Obviously nobody wants that. But just 220 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 11: take you know, one little small data point, and again 221 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 11: it's not all of inflation, but it's an important one 222 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 11: for consumers. Gas prices are adder near their peaks in 223 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 11: the US, and that's not a great sign for either 224 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 11: any type of inflation input or if you think of 225 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 11: consumer confidence, how important gasoline is and how visible that 226 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 11: price is. So yeah, I do think the FED does 227 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 11: not want to have that replay of inflation like we 228 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 11: had in past in past episodes. 229 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: So let's pivot to the equity market. Georgia, Are you 230 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: constructive right now? Do you think that the S and 231 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: P five hundred overall can continue on March higher? 232 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 11: So I'm very much a stock by stock selector versus 233 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 11: you know, a broad index. If you look at the 234 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 11: broad index, you know we are back at valuation levels 235 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 11: if you exclude that COVID period explosion and valuation, we're 236 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 11: back at former highs in terms of valuation. If you 237 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 11: look at the earnings that have come in, what was 238 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 11: really interesting this quarter, Doug, is that even beats really 239 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 11: did not appreciate after earnings reports, and that was really 240 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 11: different than past quarters. So what I think happened was 241 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 11: expectations were pretty low. Earnings have been down from a 242 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 11: growth standpoint the past three quarters, and so estimates kept 243 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 11: coming down, and then companies were beating these easier estimates. 244 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 11: I think next quarter is important. The next few quarters 245 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 11: are important because the market is expecting margins to come 246 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 11: back and start to go up again, So again there's 247 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 11: a higher expectation there. So I think the easiest place 248 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 11: to invest right now, quite frankly, is in a higher 249 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 11: interest rate environment. Companies with good balance sheets, net debt 250 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 11: free balance sheets, a lot of cash are earning more 251 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 11: interest income and they aren't getting credit for it, certainly 252 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 11: not in the credit market, and I don't think in 253 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 11: the stock market either, So I think that's a nice 254 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 11: safe place to go. 255 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: George, I mean, you know, you look at corporate America 256 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: and you've got to have some companies which are going 257 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: to be really feeling it because they perhaps could cover 258 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: over a multitude of sins by having free money. And 259 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: are we seeing stresses and strains and if soware and 260 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: do you think that this may be a good thing 261 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: ultimately to perhaps see some defaults or indeed some company failures, 262 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: because you need to see so the weet out from 263 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: the chaff orshat. 264 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 11: You are absolutely right, you hit the nail on the head. 265 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 11: And so where we see it is obviously on income statements. 266 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 11: We are seeing companies that are debt laid and are 267 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 11: seeing explosions in their interest expense line. Now on the 268 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 11: flip side, like I said, and companies to focus on 269 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 11: companies that have a lot of cash or seeing explosion 270 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 11: of interest income. But to your point, yes, bankruptcies are 271 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 11: starting to go up. One of the fears, you know, 272 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 11: if you extrapolate that out, you'll start to fear, you know, 273 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 11: for a credit event potentially occurring. At this point, I 274 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 11: think the maturity schedule is such where these companies kind 275 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 11: of ju But no, to your point, zup allowed companies 276 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 11: like Ratid for example, to hang on way longer than 277 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 11: they ever should have. Interest rates go up, righty, it's 278 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 11: going to go bankrupt. You know, if you think about 279 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 11: a few names at a few high profile names, bed 280 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 11: Bath and Beyond for example, goes away. The reason is 281 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 11: because interest rates are high and they can't they can't 282 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 11: satisfy that debt. 283 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: So, George, as you know, on this program, we talk 284 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: a lot about what's happening in the Asia Pacific region. 285 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: Are there any opportunities offshore very quickly that you're seeing 286 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: right now? 287 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 11: It's funny Japan has been extremely popular as we know. 288 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 11: Obviously Buffett got involved a lot of value investors got involved, 289 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 11: but gosh, their balance sheets are so good, and it 290 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 11: is one of the reasons why we have a few 291 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 11: Japanese ADRs in the fund. And again, a lot of 292 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 11: those companies have been around for decades and their balance 293 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 11: sheets are just great and that helps it in a 294 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 11: high rate environment for sure. 295 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: George, thank you so much for making time to chat 296 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: with us here on for Asia the second day in 297 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: the trading week. George Sippaloni is portfolio manager at Pen 298 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: Mutual Asset Management. On the line from Philadelphia here on DBA, 299 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: this is Bloomberg day Break Asia. 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