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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecock Ring Out Podcast, Halloween,

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Speaker 1: Happy Halloween. I'd be lying if I said, all, I

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Speaker 1: live in this condo complex, so I have a I

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Speaker 1: candy out there for the kids, and you know, during

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Speaker 1: the Niner Cardinal game, I may or may not have

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Speaker 1: made about eight different runs to my neighbors and just

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Speaker 1: jacked a bunch of recess. I've I'm pretty sugar and

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Speaker 1: chocolate it up right now fired up, We'll dive into

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Speaker 1: the Niners game, of course. And then I had I

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Speaker 1: had Carson Palmer talked to him on Wednesday for about

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Speaker 1: an hour. He's, you know, probably as cool as a

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Speaker 1: guest as all ever get, just in terms of he

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Speaker 1: me an hour of his time just talking a little

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Speaker 1: bit of everything from his career to play in the position,

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Speaker 1: to you know, what a work week entails, what time

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Speaker 1: he gets up to play in some of those Steeler Ravens,

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Speaker 1: Niners and Seattle defenses, to just you know what he

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Speaker 1: thinks about different players. He was awesome. I mean it

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Speaker 1: was it was cool of an interview as I've ever done. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was really really cool. So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: dive into the game. Then I'll go to that, and

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Speaker 1: then I uh went through all the weekends games. I

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Speaker 1: went through all the weekends games at the end, No

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Speaker 1: middle Cooff mail bag at John Middlecoff is usually slide

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Speaker 1: up into those d m s. But just the podcast

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Speaker 1: so long. It's already you know, gonna be about an

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Speaker 1: hour and a half. So you know, I know, younger millennials,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to keep everyone's attention, but the

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Speaker 1: Palmer interviews about an hour just in itself, it's it's awesome.

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Speaker 1: He's he's the man. Uh, but so the Niners and

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot about it this week. Is

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Speaker 1: when Coward compared to the Kyle to Belichick like he

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Speaker 1: was the next Belichick earlier this year, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was kind of nuts. And if you've listened to me,

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Speaker 1: you know, like I I've supported Kyle even when they

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Speaker 1: were losing, just because it was clear he was a

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Speaker 1: genius coach. But now looking back, like think about the

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Speaker 1: Falcons we all have, like know that buddy that gets

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Speaker 1: you can't watch the skills Like he's just he's a wreck,

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Speaker 1: Like he needs that person. Think about dan Quinn's career.

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Speaker 1: When Kyle Shanahand was with him, they took on the world.

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Speaker 1: I mean they they were kicking the Patriots ass in

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Speaker 1: for three or four years, dan Quinn isn't about to

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Speaker 1: they're just in shambles and Kyle is just kicking and

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Speaker 1: take a name. His team's eight no. Two years ago

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Speaker 1: on the date of recording this, they traded for Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo and they were oh and eight two years later

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Speaker 1: or eight no. Like we knew Kyle was coming years

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Speaker 1: ago with dan Quinn, like he was taking a league

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Speaker 1: by storm with his play calling. I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: it the other day talking with a buddy in the league.

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Speaker 1: When I first got in the NFL, and like two thousand,

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Speaker 1: ten and eleven before Mike Shanahan got the Redskins job,

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Speaker 1: so good on offense. They were the number one rushing offense,

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Speaker 1: and obviously Kyle and Kubiak. You know, we're just kicking

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Speaker 1: everyone's ass now. They couldn't beat the Patriots, but those

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Speaker 1: offensive coach. I don't know anyway else to say it.

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Speaker 1: If if I needed one guy to call me a play,

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Speaker 1: was difficult on Kyle because I thought he was being

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Speaker 1: a little difficult on Jimmy early in training camp when

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Speaker 1: when it was just like god, Jimmy's throwing five picks

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Speaker 1: just hearing stories that Kyle's really hard on him, which

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Speaker 1: Kyle was driving him uts. The offense was hard. The

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Speaker 1: Like Jimmy Garoppolo tonight looks like a top five or

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Speaker 1: this five or six weeks ago. Now, Obviously, Jimmy's unique.

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Speaker 1: He has a bass and fundamentals learned from Josh and

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Speaker 1: He should thank the football gods every day that in

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo's football life in the National Football League, he

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Speaker 1: has gone from the New England Patriots to Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 1: Like that is not normal. I talked to Kyle, or

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Speaker 1: Bengals to the Raiders before we went to Bruce Areas.

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Speaker 1: So not everyone gets a smooth landing, but the Niners

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Speaker 1: because they clearly got a really special head coach and

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Speaker 1: the scary thing as you saw tonight is if Jimmy's

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Speaker 1: gonna be that good? And he was I think thirty

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Speaker 1: and I listen, I they're my team in the backyard,

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Speaker 1: him a lot. I know this team better than any

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Speaker 1: team in the NFL, and my reservation has just been,

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Speaker 1: like it is, Jimmy gonna be good enough in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs when you play Drew Brees, when you play Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy has only made nineteen career starts,

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Speaker 1: so it would be unfair to even think like we had.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a definitive answer, and we won't know

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Speaker 1: until he doesn't. But I had forgotten, like he's got

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Speaker 1: accurate quarterback. And I talked about this last week about

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Speaker 1: if somehow they can go six and two in the

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Speaker 1: You know, this is just I don't I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: clearly for the big picture, Jimmy doesn't make that much money.

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Speaker 1: They have a ton of young talent on their team,

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Speaker 1: and the way he's got Jimmy playing, and Jimmy there's

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Speaker 1: the retired life, Carson Palmer. What is going on? John?

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Speaker 1: How are you I'm doing good? How's life good? Life

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Speaker 1: is good? Life is good. You know, I'm I'm retired

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Speaker 1: When's the first time retirement cross your mind, like like

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're you know, being steered in the right

426
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Speaker 1: direction by Ballard and and what they have going organizationally.

427
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Speaker 1: But um, it was just awful to watch him take

428
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: the pounding. He took those first handful of years, and

429
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: that's why he's not not, you know, not wearing number

430
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: twelve right now. You know one thing I find fascinating.

431
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: When I was in Philly, Michael Vick was our quarterback

432
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: and he was a smaller guy, and he took a

433
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Speaker 1: lot of hits, so it was it was you to

434
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: see why he was always injured. But when I see

435
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: before I mentioned person, I'd seen you alive and been

436
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: on the field when you come out from warm ups

437
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: and knew how big you were. I've seen luck. I mean,

438
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: you guys are massive. But it you know, Philip Rivers

439
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: is like this, Ellies like this. But it doesn't necessarily matter,

440
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: does it? The size? If you're just getting pelt at

441
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: every game? You could be Shaquille O'Neil size, Is it

442
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,479
Speaker 1: fair to say if you're getting hit constantly in NFL

443
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: games throughout a season. Roethlisberger is another good example. The pain,

444
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: I guess still feel the same. I've never been in

445
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: an NFL game playing quarterback, So you tell me it

446
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like your size necessarily protects you as much

447
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: as maybe someone like me might think yeah. I mean,

448
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: everybody breaks at some point, unfortunately. And that's what's so

449
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: tough about watching DeShawn Watson and and Lamar Jackson right

450
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: now is the pounding that they're taking. And it's granted

451
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: it's not so much in the pocket, uh, it's it's

452
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: outside the pocket. But you know, back back to Mike Vick.

453
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: I love Vic and one of the biggest Mike Vick fans,

454
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: absolutely loved watching and play. But every time you ripped

455
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: off a forty yard run, I just wanted to step

456
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: out of bounds and not hit the ground. But he

457
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 1: always went for that extra couple of yards and got

458
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: shoved running four two and went head over heels and

459
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 1: did three somersaults into a cameraman. You know, you just

460
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: see that enough times. And Vic is as solid and

461
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: strong and tough of dude as there is. But those

462
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: take a toll. And they may not Undershawn Watson and

463
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson when they're twenty three, but when they're twenty six,

464
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: and that's when you start to really see. You know,

465
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: he's gonna miss a week or two with an a

466
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: c spring in his shoulder and he's got a deep

467
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: fibrus and in uh, in his right claud and he's

468
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: gonna miss a week here like that. That's where you

469
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: start to see those injuries creep up. Because guys in

470
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: there twenty three are invincible and they're not really thinking

471
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: about their next contract yet. They are, but they're really not.

472
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: But when you're twenty five and you're you're a year

473
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Speaker 1: away from free agency and you're not bouncing back the

474
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: same way you were two years ago, and you've got

475
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: another forty or forty five sacks since you were twenty three,

476
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: that's when you start to see guys they're gonna miss

477
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: a week here. Maybe it's gonna be two weeks with

478
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: a hamstring or this with an elbow. Um. You know,

479
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: like you said, it doesn't matter how big and how

480
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: strong you are. You can put you know, Mr Olympia

481
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: back there, you know, a weightlifting guy or whatever you

482
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: want back there. But if you continuously take hits, they're

483
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: gonna add up. Maybe not three, but at seven. Those

484
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: those things, those small injuries and and that pain over

485
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: time really starts to add up on guys. There's a

486
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: reason Peyton Manning used to just hit the ground when

487
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: anyone got close. You know, that helps you play twenty

488
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: plus years, right. The best thing I learned from Peyton

489
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: was I studied Peyton every week of my career. And

490
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: when there was a false start, he was in shotgun.

491
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 1: He had the ball in his hands, he threw it

492
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: and they blew the whistle. He threw it directly into

493
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: the ground. He didn't want to hold it and take

494
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: a chance that somebody didn't hear a whissel and allowed

495
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: stadium and the defensive end came off the corner and

496
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: lit him up. He was not taking any extra hits

497
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: um And that's something I watched and learned right away.

498
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: And you can't. You just can't take those hits. You can't.

499
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: There's the quarterback means so much the organization. The organization

500
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: only really goes as far as the quarterback goes, and

501
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: you've got to protect them. You know, That's why I

502
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: love um. You know, I love what what San Francisco

503
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: is doing, and a handful of teams are doing. I

504
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: would do the exact same thing. I would build from

505
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: the offensive defensive line. If you can put pressure on

506
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback and you can hit the quarterback enough times,

507
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how good or bad your your corners are.

508
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: If they if a quarterback can drop back and hold

509
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: on the ball for five, six, seven seconds, it doesn't

510
00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: matter if you have Jalen Ramsey and and Dion Stroy

511
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: Palmalo and Ed Reid in your second day. Nobody can

512
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: cover for five or six seconds. So I really like

513
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: the way some teams are A handful of teams are

514
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: being built, which it's from the defensive line because you

515
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: gotta put pressure on the quarterback and the offensive line.

516
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: You gotta build that offensive lineup and protect your quarterback

517
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: and the gate. You know, these Miles Garretts and Aaron

518
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: Donald and some of these guys that just eat bad

519
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Uh. I mean, you put Aaron Donald in

520
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: in there against an average offensive line, he goes off.

521
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: But you put him up against somebody that's pretty good.

522
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: He's gonna get to the quarterback, he holds it for

523
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: five seconds, but if the ball is out in three,

524
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a tough time getting there against some

525
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: of these better offensive lines. And you look at it

526
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: kind of like we're just talking about in uh in Indie.

527
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Indie learned their lessons. They're watched

528
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck walk out the door. Now you watch that

529
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: offensive line played. Offensive line is really good. They've paid

530
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: some guys, they've drafted some guys high. They're building that

531
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: offensive lineup, which is exactly what I would do if

532
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: I was running the team. You know one thing I

533
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: wanted to do with you and and I remember years ago,

534
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: and I told you this last week that I read

535
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: that thing you did with Peter King about how he

536
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: kind of went through your week. And I know so

537
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: many people listening, I'll always hit me up. And I

538
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: got to see it firsthand from a coaching standpoint, the

539
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: hours coach read and now some of his guys like

540
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson and Matt Naggy put in during the week.

541
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: And you know you've seen these coaches. I mean, they're crazy,

542
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: but like you said, the quarterback is kind of like

543
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 1: also a coach. It's insane. So could we kind of

544
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: do a cliff note version of like Monday? You know,

545
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: you finish the game Sunday afternoon to go home Monday

546
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: to like Saturday morning, Let's say a home game, Carson

547
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: Palmer starting quarterback, getting ready for the hardball forty nine

548
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: ers Monday. What's the week? How does it go? Well?

549
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Sunday night? You know, I'd always tried to get get

550
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: put back together Sunday night after the game and and

551
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: get whether it was acupuncture on a spasm I'm having

552
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: in my back, or chiropractor or just a massage to

553
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: flush out the lack of acid and the bumps and

554
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: bruises from the game, and then I would watch that

555
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: game from that day. I always thought that was super

556
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: important to watch yourself because I wanted to know what

557
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: guys were watching. I wanted to know what my next

558
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: opponent was watching of me, how are how are my eyes?

559
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: I listened to the TV cut up just to hear

560
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: my cadences and any audibles I used, And then I

561
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: would watch the coaches cut up to watch the kind

562
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: of forty thousand foot view of the field to see

563
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: what I was doing versus certain pressures. Because you get

564
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: home from a Sunday game and it's you know, it's midnight,

565
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: and you can't sleep anyways because you're still hype from

566
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: the game. So that's when I would get a lot

567
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: of film study from that previous week, because I wanted

568
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: to know what guys were watching and me, what tendencies

569
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: I was giving them, what audibles that I could maybe

570
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: bait a defensive front into UM and and change up

571
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: in audible UM. But also really just kind of study

572
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: what guys were studying of me, UM, because at the

573
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: end of the game, you know, you play sixty seventy

574
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: five snaps, you don't remember every one of them. You know,

575
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: you remember a majority of them, but there's always something

576
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: that that you forget. So I think it's really really

577
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: important to study yourself. But then Monday, I would knock

578
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: out Monday morning before I would go in and lift

579
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: and have meetings and all that. I would knock out

580
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: the next opponents previous four games. UM. Go in, we'd

581
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: have meetings and we kind of get briefed on the

582
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: upcoming opponent for the next Sunday UM. And then Tuesday

583
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: I would I would start with third down cut ups

584
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: from UM from every game that team and played that year,

585
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: or any outliers from the previous year if it's the

586
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: same coordinator. So if I was watching third down cut

587
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: ups and I saw a bunch of Cover one, some

588
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: Cover two and very little pressure, I would go back

589
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: previous years that weren't in the last four weeks cut ups.

590
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: I would go back from the year before. If it

591
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: was the same coordinator and see if there was any

592
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: cover zero, all out blitzes, or any just outliers that

593
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: hadn't showed up this year UM. And then watch watch

594
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: basically all first and second down passing put ups, so

595
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: any past plays, UM, just to get a familiarity, feel

596
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: familiarity with the defense we're seeing before Wednesday's practice. Then

597
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: you go into Wednesday, you have your normal work day.

598
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: You try to watch as much film during the day

599
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: as you can so that you don't have too much

600
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: to do when you get home at night. And then

601
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: when I get home at night, I would draw up

602
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: all the blitzes and where they came from. So, for instance,

603
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: we're playing the Seattle Seahawks and on third and six,

604
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: like if you see a tendency in a certain field zone,

605
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: so let's say it's on the minus twenty uh. The

606
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: last six weeks they've brought Sam Mike Blitz, so a

607
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: two linebacker pressure on third and six between the minus

608
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: fifteen and the minus twenty five. There's a tendency there

609
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: right like they're trying to they're trying to make you punt,

610
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: get a sack and make you punt. So they have

611
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: a short field to work with on third down when

612
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: year in that field zone, if that makes sense. So

613
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: there's a tendency there that from a quarterback standpoint, I'm going, Okay,

614
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: when I get in this game and we received the

615
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: kickoff that first third down, if it's third and five

616
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: or six, be ready. They're going to try to get

617
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: a sack pressure here and pin us down. So we're

618
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: putting out of our own end zone and they have

619
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: a short field to work with, So I would be

620
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: ready whatever calls we had on third and six. If

621
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: I knew I was in minus territory like the minus

622
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: twenty yard line, I knew I needed to be ready

623
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: for Stad Mike pressure, so my alerts would go up,

624
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: here comes Sam Mike. Possibly be ready to redirect this

625
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: production to pick it up and gash them on the

626
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: backside with a backside post or whatever that that route

627
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: would be. So I'd really try to kind of figure

628
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: out Wednesday where this coordinator likes to bring certain pressure

629
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: and what he's thinking. You know, if if you're on

630
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: the plus forty, you just crossed the fifty yard line

631
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: and you run it on first and second down for

632
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: no yardage, and it's third and ten and in that

633
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: blitz cut up. I keep seeing plus forty cover zero blitzes.

634
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: I know that defensive coordinator doesn't want to let you

635
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: on third and ten get eight yards and kick a

636
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: field goal. They're gonna try to keep you out of

637
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: field goal territory, if that makes sense. So really focused

638
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: on on my wednesdays. Where does this coordinator like to

639
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: bring pressure and what is he probably thinking in the

640
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: back of his head when you see something that If

641
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: you see something like that and you're just studying it

642
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: by yourself, would you immediately text b A or would

643
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: you jot a note so you can bring it up

644
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: when you guys in the next meeting, or was there

645
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: just I mean, if you guys were separated at the time,

646
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: when you notice when you pick up something or vice versa,

647
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: he sees something the line of communication there, No, I

648
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: just he knows that if that if I get in

649
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: that situation ration and I checked a screen because I

650
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: think cover zero is coming, that I make sure I

651
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: would hit it during the week in practice or I

652
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: would ask for it in practice, like hey, make sure

653
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: in red zone drills we get a cover zero blitz.

654
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: I want to check to exit screen because it's out

655
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: the gate if we get the ball off, and he

656
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: had enough trust in me, and I had enough trust

657
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: in him that he knew I would never he trusted

658
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: if I was getting to something out of the ordinary,

659
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: there's a reason for it, and you got to you

660
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: gotta earn that trust, you know I had. That wasn't

661
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: something I did in year one of Ba's offense, But

662
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: in year five there was a trust between the two

663
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: of us. If I was doing something like that, there

664
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: was a reason for it, and I had built that

665
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: trust with him. But no, no, I'm not. I'm not

666
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: watching stuff. Quarterbacks really typically aren't watching stuff during the

667
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: early part of the week and texting the coach about

668
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: certain stuff. Most quarterbacks and head coaches get together on

669
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: Saturday night before the big team meeting in in the hotel.

670
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: And if I had something like that or and and

671
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: it had held true throughout the week as I continue

672
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: to study on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, that would be something

673
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 1: that that a quarterback will bring up on a Saturday

674
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: night before the game, like, hey, this guy has a

675
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: tendency to bring cover zero right here? Are you cool?

676
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: If I check to this this play or this play

677
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: or this play it's either yea or nay at that point.

678
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: If it's any I'll probably do it anyways. And if

679
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: it's a touchdown, we'll hug it out on the sideline.

680
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: And if it's a a I know, I'm good to go.

681
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: Because there's so much that the older you get in,

682
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: the more experience you have as a quarterback, there's so

683
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: much feel that comes into a game, and there's so

684
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: many things that you don't really plan on doing on

685
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: Wednesday and practice. Then you get in the game and

686
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: you just have a feel for it and and it

687
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: just kind of comes to you. It just naturally comes out. UM.

688
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: So there's things like that that just kind of don't

689
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: don't you know, get covered or talked about between coach

690
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: and coordinator or or player and coordinator and code. Um.

691
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: That just kind of seemed to work out on on

692
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: game days and sometimes they don't. Um. But but that's

693
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: the game. What time you get into the facility on

694
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: like Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday during a work week. So yeah,

695
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: so Wednesday, UM, I would get in it like I

696
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: probably got on it six Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, UM, And

697
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: just as the weeks start, I kind of got off

698
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: topic there as as the week progressed, Um, you know

699
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: when Wednesday's was first and second down and third down,

700
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: Thursdays was red zone, and then Friday's I kind of

701
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: went through everything and anything I wasn't feeling really good about, Like, man,

702
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: these guys are showing quarters coverage and they're bluffing you.

703
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Then they're rolling the single high zone or they're rolling

704
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: the single high man that if I didn't feel comfortable that,

705
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: I would just watch that over and over again until

706
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, I can see Earl Thomas right here.

707
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: He really wants to get to the middle of the

708
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: field and he's trying to hold it to the last second.

709
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: I would just really try to clean up Thursday and Friday,

710
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: UM my feel for disguises and coverages or bluffs and

711
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: blitzes where they're they're up in the line scrimmage and

712
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: it looks like they're coming, they're bluffing you, they're getting

713
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: out to drop eight and coverage. And then Saturday, my

714
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: favorite things to do Saturday would really um, I tried

715
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: to feel as prepared as as you know I could,

716
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: like I was ready to play on Saturday. If I wasn't,

717
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, I did not I was not comfortable. I

718
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 1: did not like that feeling. So I tried to get

719
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: everything done by Saturday, like it was it was game day,

720
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: even though I had another day. Um. So I really

721
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: tried to knock everything out on Saturdays. And as I

722
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: would lay in bed and go to sleep in whatever

723
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: hotel we were staying in, I would have my iPod

724
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: and my iPad and I would just watch all the

725
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: explosive pass gings. So we're getting ready to play Seattle

726
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: the next morning. And this is Legion of Boom day.

727
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: This is the height Allegian. This is Browner and Sherman

728
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: and you know, go on and on down Cam Camp Chancellor,

729
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: Earl Michael Bennett cliff A. You know this is that team,

730
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: um where you can it's easy to go into those games.

731
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: And I tell young quarterbacks this all the time. It's

732
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: easy to go in plan Legion to Boom in two

733
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: thousand and thirteen and the number one in past defense,

734
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: number one in rush defense, number one in sacks, number

735
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: one in red zone, number one and third down, It's

736
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: it's easy to go into that game. Laying in bed

737
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: at night, gone, man, how you know, how are we

738
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: gonna just a drop in this game. You know, you

739
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: can easily get overcome with Man, these guys are really good.

740
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: I gotta be really, really smart. I gotta be really

741
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: careful in this situation. So what I would do is

742
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: I would sit there and watch cut ups of all

743
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: touchdown passes, big runs, big plays, forty yard past you know,

744
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: cut ups, And that always helped me fall asleep easier, Like, well,

745
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: they threw a go ball in Sherman right here, and

746
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: so and so ran a dig versus cover two, and

747
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: that was just forty yard game, and so and so

748
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: on the red zone ran four verts and hit it

749
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: twice versus them in the red zone. And man, I

750
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: look at this checkdown, this checkdown you know on third

751
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: and twenty went for twenty eight. They were just checking

752
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: it down and dumping into the back. But they were

753
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: so soft in coverage. Don't forget that. Remember that on

754
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: third and long situation. So it was kind of like

755
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: a a confidence booster, a confidence builder. As I'm falling

756
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: asleep at night watching the defense I'm getting ready to play,

757
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: get gashed from weeks, you know, the previous weeks. Help

758
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: me sleep better, help me feel better about our game plan. Um,

759
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: whatever that was. It did for me. I really enjoyed

760
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: doing that as I was falling asleep on Saturday nights.

761
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: That positive reinforcement right to be like Tiger Woods before

762
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: he hits a drive thinking about hitting a great shot.

763
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean ideally want to watch it. But you know

764
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: that that that the power of the mind, even if

765
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: it's not you, really is a powerful thing, is it not. No,

766
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: I mean tiger envisioning. You see Jason Day do it

767
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: all the time. He closes his eyes and he envisions

768
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: the shape of the shot. You know, it's a big

769
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: dog leg left. He hits a big high draw. Uh,

770
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,439
Speaker 1: it's a twenty foot double breaking put. You know those

771
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: guys in vision the ball is going in before they

772
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: step up and hit. It's the same thing I was doing.

773
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: I was envisioning myself throwing that ball to Julio Jones

774
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: for sixty yard touchdown or dumping it, you know, to

775
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: the to the running back, uh for you know, an

776
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: eight yard gain on third and four. You know all

777
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: those things you're watching on film, you're kind of, oh,

778
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: that looks like the play we're running, you know when

779
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: we get in the red zone, or that looks similar

780
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: to so and so play and that looks like what

781
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: we have planned on third down. You know that there's

782
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: all those just confidence boosters that that are so important.

783
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: Whether you're Tom Brady or Josh Allen and Buffalo, you know,

784
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: whether you've got twenty years experience or a year two,

785
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: it's so good. I always felt it's so good to

786
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: see somebody else beating them and see somebody else that

787
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: you're watching another offense on film, going, Man, I'm better

788
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: than that quarterback, and we're better than them at the

789
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: receiver and tight end, so we can do that, and

790
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: we can do that, and we can do that, and

791
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: it's just you're right, it's just seeing somebody else do it.

792
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: You're almost envisioning yourself doing it. Is that something you

793
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: always did or did you learn how did someone show

794
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: you that in Arizona? Or is that just something you

795
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: came up with? No. I actually when I got to Oakland,

796
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: we were really bad. When I was kind of there

797
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: and A we were just bad. We didn't we traded

798
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: away all of our good players, cut all the guys

799
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: that were making any money. We're playing. You know, we

800
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: had tons of injuries, were playing with guys that we

801
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: signed on Wednesdays and we're expecting to start on Sundays.

802
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: And it was just one of those teams that very

803
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: few guys UM have opportunity experience that I did, where

804
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: you just know, getting off the bus, they're better than

805
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: us there. They have better players at most positions, and

806
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: in order for us to win this game, we have

807
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: to play absolutely perfectly and play our best game of

808
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: the year and they have to play abysmal and they

809
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: have to play their worst game of the year. And

810
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: that was the kind of that, you know, that's just

811
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: where we were as an organis zation at the time, UM.

812
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: And so I started doing it in Oakland because I

813
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: remember going into games and you know, we were at

814
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: a point where, you know, our number one receiver was

815
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: Darius Hayward Bay Um. Well he he actually had a

816
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: good year. He have thousand yards that year, so um.

817
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: But you know, we we were Darren McFadden was our

818
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: best player and he was out for the year with

819
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: Liz Frank and you just, you know, we were just

820
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: a young team that just didn't have players. And you

821
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: know I was I had just been traded there. I've

822
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: been there for a couple of weeks and I was

823
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: looking for some confidence and guys around me, and and

824
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: some confidence to go into games with. And and that's

825
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: something I did on Saturday nights. And I would watch

826
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: the big play cut ups. That's what I had our

827
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: film got Hey, give me sixty big play cut ups.

828
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: I want to see sixty plays from this year, last year,

829
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: however many years it takes, depending on how good that

830
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: defense was. I want to see big games, twenty plus

831
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: thirty plus yard games. And that's something I did in

832
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: Oakland to help me fall asleep a little bit, a

833
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: little bit more sound before we woke up and play

834
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: on Sunday. So so was it safe to say? And

835
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: I talked about it all the time. Sometimes when you

836
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: go through failures or just tough times, you learn a

837
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: lot more about yourself that benefits you when you go

838
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: through the good times. So that experience in Oakland those

839
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: couple of years led to you know what, the best

840
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, three or four years definitely a team success

841
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: of your career in Arizona. Did you think that Catapult

842
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: died you just to kind of change your mindset and

843
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: help you can maybe grow mentally more than even physically. Definitely,

844
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: I mean I think, um, you know, it was such

845
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: an odd. My year and a half in Oakland was

846
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: so odd in every way, from you know, two different

847
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: coaches in the year and a half, you know, firing coaches.

848
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: Al Davis had just died, the organization was in complete turmoil. Um.

849
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: And then I got to Oakland, right, I got to

850
00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: Arizona and man, new coach, new GM but just solid,

851
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: just solid people. You know, everybody was solid owners, solid,

852
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: wants to win, not not worried about the move and

853
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: the least of the stadium and and all these different

854
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: things that that that Mark Davis has been worrying about

855
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: for five years now, ten years now. Um, you know,

856
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: just a solid organization. Just this. This is the way

857
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. They're gonna build it this way,

858
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna stay true to it. Um. And we built

859
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: something special. I mean we we got better every year.

860
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: We won ten games than eleven games than you know,

861
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: we we continue to improve and make strides. And so

862
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: it was just so comforting coming from Cincinnati, who is

863
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: a whole another kind of mess and disaster. Um. So

864
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: coming from that and then going to Oakland and then

865
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I got to Arizona. I was like, man,

866
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: this is the NFL. This is how it's this is

867
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to do it, this is this is right,

868
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: And it was just so comforting and so much less

869
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: stress and pressure. Just there's so much pressure on quarterbacks

870
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: as it is when you have to worry about some

871
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: idiot making a decision on a roster move, or hiring

872
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: coaches or some of the some of the stuff you

873
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: have to worry about. When when in all of sports,

874
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: when when you're a you know, one of the stars

875
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: of the team and there's so much pressure on you

876
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: to make sure that you win that game, whether it's

877
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: a basketball player, football player, at quarterback, when you have

878
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: that added pressure and stress of not trusting the organization

879
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: and knowing that they don't know what they're doing, that's

880
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: just an added amount of stress you don't need as

881
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: a young player. Um and and going through that and

882
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: and seeing that, and then getting to Arizona and going

883
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: through what I went through in Cincinnati, what I went

884
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: through in Oakland, and then winning and appreciating the wins,

885
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: and then winning a bunch and winning a bunch of

886
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: games in a row and winning your division and going

887
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: to play and you know, all those things that came

888
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: with winning, it really let me really enjoy each win.

889
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, my five years in Arizona were so much

890
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: fun because we were winning, and I knew how to

891
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: enjoy it because I knew the other side of it.

892
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: I knew what it was like to be bad and

893
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: and and be on a bad, bad team and know that,

894
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: like I said, you had to play absolutely perfect order

895
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: to win, and they had to play their worst game

896
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: of the year in order for you to win. UM

897
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: to getting to Arizona and getting to a good organization

898
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: where you don't have to play the game of your

899
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: life every week. You know you can. You don't have

900
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: to throw for four and fifty yards in order to win.

901
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: You can take checkdowns, you can, you know what I mean,

902
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: you you had some room for error. Um And and

903
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: having that feeling and getting to experience that really helped

904
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: me relish those good times and those wins because I've

905
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: been through some of the really bad stuff. You had

906
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: to feel like Andy Duffraine and Shawshank when he gets

907
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: out of the pipe, you know, when about mid season

908
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: that first year with Arians, You're like, oh my god,

909
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: this is what this is what Brady and and all

910
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: these guys feel like this is what Yeah, this is

911
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: how it's supposed to be. You know, this is this

912
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: is what the NFL is, this is this is you know.

913
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it took me too long to get to get there. Um,

914
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: but it was. It was refreshing, no doubt. You were

915
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: a little ahead of your time. You know. It was

916
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: before Twitter. I mean, the Internet was around, but it

917
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: was I'm sure for you personally in the vacuum of

918
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: Cincinnati you felt it. But your sports fan, you see

919
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: the NBA and just Jalen Ramsey, guys demand and trades

920
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: left and right. Back then, it was definitely more polarizing

921
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: and I would imagine a little more venomous on the player.

922
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: Do you remember was there a specific tipping point? Because

923
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: I was reading some stuff yesterday and I couldn't find

924
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: it was just an accumulation of things being in Cincinnati,

925
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: but a moment where you just said, I can't do

926
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: this anymore. I I gotta go. And I read some

927
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: quotes of this isn't about the money. I got enough money.

928
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: It's I I can't play football here anymore. I refused

929
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: to do it. But was there a moment? Was was

930
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: there a specific incident or was it just like I said,

931
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: accumulation of things. Yeah, it was numerous moments. Um, I

932
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: mean from the jump, you know, I I got done

933
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: with my college football season. I started talking about trying

934
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: to hire an agent and figure out what was next.

935
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: And everybody, not every single person, NFL people, agents, um,

936
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, ex quarterbacks I had talked to that were

937
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: since retired and moved on. Everybody said, you can't go

938
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. You can't go to Cincinnati's a quarterback graveyard.

939
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: And then I started interviewing agents, and every agent it's like,

940
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go to Cincinnati. We're gonna do this.

941
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you to We're gonna get you to

942
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: to Chicago was where these guys every agent wanted that

943
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: I was interviewing, was like, you're gonna get to Chicago's

944
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: I think they had the fourth pick. And I I

945
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: at the time, was arrogant, young, dumb, twenty year old kid,

946
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna go there and make

947
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: a difference. I'm gonna go there and change it. I

948
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: don't care what all these people are saying. Oh, you know,

949
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm listening to Hall of famers and great you know

950
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: coaches and X g m s and you know, I

951
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of throw everything agents say out the window because

952
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: they're agents. But um, you know, I just I was

953
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: naive and I didn't want to believe it and want

954
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: to hear it. And I thought, you know, well, if

955
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: they haven't had me, I'll go there and change it.

956
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: And then I got there, and um, we got we

957
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: were good. My second year. You refused. I would imagine

958
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: some people wanted you to go like an Eli Manning type, say,

959
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: refused to sign that you were not going to do that. Well,

960
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: that I hadn't been done. And like I said, I

961
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: thought I was the difference maker. I thought the organization

962
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Was what the players in the field are

963
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: what matters. And I was percent wrong. All that matters

964
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: is the organization because great organizations get the right players.

965
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: So so I was wrong on that. And it was

966
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: just a it was a It was an accumulation of

967
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: so many things. I mean, we were we won our division,

968
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: we got good one year, we were close to getting good,

969
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: and we needed some key pieces. And I had gone

970
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: to the organizations like we need to add this and

971
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: this and that. You know, we need a couple of

972
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: players here and a couple of players there, and then

973
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: of course the off season comes and nothing happens and

974
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: nothing changes, and then you know, it was just it

975
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: was year after year. You know that in order to

976
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: in order to win in the NFL, and it feels

977
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: this way to me in all sports, but the only

978
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: thing I can speak of as the NFL, you've got

979
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: to be desperate to win a championship. You've got to

980
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: be all in you. You know, the financials and the

981
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: money side of it are very important obviously two owners

982
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: and to everybody that's invested in the organization. But it's

983
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: the most important thing is the financials, and the second

984
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: most important thing is winning. Then you don't have a chance.

985
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: And and it's so important that ownership is willing to

986
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: do what it takes to win. If they're just kind

987
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: of sitting around and hoping somebody falls to us with

988
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: the eighteenth pick that we really need, or now this

989
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: guy is a million dollars too expensive and free agency,

990
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: we're just gonna draft somebody and pay him. You know,

991
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: one that if you just kind of sit there and

992
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: hope that things fall your way, you're you gotta get

993
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: really really lucky to win a championship. But if you're

994
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: desperate and you're willing to do what it takes, and

995
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: you'll spend to go get this player, or you'll trade

996
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: this player because you know he's a locker room cancer

997
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: and he's really bad, but he's cheap, and you keep

998
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: him because he's cheap. That's gonna affect your team. But

999
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: if you know he's cheap, he's really really explosive and

1000
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: and can do a lot of great things, but he's

1001
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: terrible in the locker room. You gotta get rid of them.

1002
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: You gotta move on. You've got to be consistently trying

1003
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: to build a championship team. If you're just kind of

1004
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: sitting there and hoping somebody falls in your lap, it's

1005
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: hard to do it that way. You've gotta have the

1006
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: ball bounce your way a number of times in the playoffs,

1007
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: and you've gotta get lucky here and get lucky there.

1008
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: And I mean, you look in New England and there's

1009
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: not a lot of luck. A lot of that is built. Specifically,

1010
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: you look at what what Pittsburgh has done for the

1011
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: last twenty years, there's not a lot of luck involved

1012
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: in that. That's consistently. You look at what Seattle has

1013
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: done there's not a lot of luck. I mean, you

1014
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: look at what Seattle has done. It's amazing. I mean,

1015
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll has turned over that roster four different times

1016
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: since he's been there and continuously goes. But I mean

1017
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: you look at the transition from Sean Alexander and Matthew

1018
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: Hasselbeck into Beast Mode and Russell Wilson and then the

1019
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: Legion of Boom and then nobody's left from the Legion

1020
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: of Boom, and now that's it's amazing. But that's not luck.

1021
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: That's not hoping that somebody falls to you in the draft.

1022
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: That's being manipulative of the draft and moving players and

1023
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: and churning up rosters and building the right the right

1024
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: chemistry in the locker room, and and there's so much

1025
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: that goes into it. It's just not a lucky thing.

1026
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: In order to be successful in the NFL, the organization

1027
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: is of utmost importance. Quarterbacks, super quarterback and an ownership

1028
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: are about as important as each other are. I mean,

1029
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: everything else down from there, I think you know works

1030
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: out in the way it works out if you're building

1031
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: the team right. But as important as that quarterback is,

1032
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is so important to that team, and Tom

1033
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: Brady is so important to that team. But man ownership

1034
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: has gotta be really, really good, know what they're doing.

1035
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: One thing you did in Cincinnati and it's just a

1036
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: it's a dead practice now, it really is beside Mahomes

1037
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: And really that was unique because Alex was there and

1038
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: they were winning. But the red shirt, and you know, really,

1039
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: i'd say the handful of guys the last ten plus years,

1040
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: if you're drafted definitely where you were drafted, but even

1041
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 1: late in the first round or even second round picks

1042
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: now like Derek Carr started immediately. You know, a lot

1043
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: of guys now in the second round become starters really fast.

1044
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: Did the red shirt? Did you need that? And do

1045
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: you think it's easier maybe now not to rend or

1046
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: just because the offenses are so much more conducive to

1047
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: what guys are running in college. Well, I think a

1048
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: number of things have shaped the transition of college quarterbacks

1049
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: into starters in week one and week whatever Baker was,

1050
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: Week six or seven or whatever. A lot of guys

1051
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: six seven, Lamar, some of those guys mid season, Yeah,

1052
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: Jared got I think that right, right. I think that

1053
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: is more of a reflection of the current CBA agreement, UM,

1054
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: and the structure of rookie contracts. I mean, when I

1055
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: came out, I signed a six year contract and that

1056
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: was the norm. Now it's four with an option year

1057
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: in five. So you know, when I was coming out,

1058
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: you had six years to figure out are we gonna

1059
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: pay this a hundred million bucks in his second contract?

1060
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: Now with a four year deal, you have, you know,

1061
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: you know, two years less time to figure out is

1062
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: this our guy? And can we shape him in what

1063
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: we want him to be in year four to pay

1064
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: him in year five, where back then it was we

1065
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: could shape him in six, in year five and six

1066
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: and then decide after year six are we going to

1067
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: pay him? So I think that's more of a reflection

1068
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: of just the length of current rookie contracts, especially for

1069
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: a second round pick. And you look at Russell Wilson, UM,

1070
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have much time with the second

1071
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: round pick, and now with a first round pick, you

1072
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: only really have three years to figure out are we

1073
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: gonna pay him in year four or five? So I

1074
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: think it's more a reflection of just the duration of

1075
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: the contracts that that players are forced to sign now

1076
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: as opposed to when I was coming out, and it

1077
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: was really a six six year deal with a seventh

1078
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: year that you could franchise a quarterback in. So it's

1079
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: really been cut in half almost. It feels. It feels

1080
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: that way because a lot of quarterbacks don't start week

1081
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: one like Sam Donald did. They come in like Lamar

1082
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: Jackson did, like Jared Goff and and uh a handful

1083
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: of the other guys were you only have the second

1084
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: half of the first year to start evaluating, and you

1085
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: really can't evaluate your quarterback after eight games. You really

1086
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: need a full year to see him play sixteen and

1087
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: factor in the previous eight games he played from his

1088
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: rookie year. But right there, if you wait till he's

1089
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: played sixteen games in year two and half of year one,

1090
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: you're halfway through his rookie contract. So you've got to

1091
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: be ready to make a decision of what you're gonna

1092
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: do for the future. And nothing matters more structurally to

1093
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: the organization contract wise in the quarterbacks contract, because if

1094
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay him, he's gonna take up your salary

1095
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: cap for eighteen percent of your salary cap, So you

1096
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: really have to start figuring that out and do what

1097
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: it looks like Kansas City has done with Patrick Mahomes

1098
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: is they've really started structuring their roster contractually around the

1099
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: future contract that they're gonna pay him. Um, because it's

1100
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: going to be such a substantial pie and a piece

1101
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: of that pie when when you talk about the entire

1102
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: team salary caps, so um, it's just it's just changed.

1103
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: The game has changed in such a short amount of

1104
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: time from when I came out and I signed a

1105
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: six year deal and now these guys are signing four. Um.

1106
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: But my situation, back to the original question, my situation

1107
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: was different. John Kitton, who's who's the quarterback coach in Dallas,

1108
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: is doing an awesome job with Dak Prescott, and there's

1109
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: an unbelievable coach and human being. But um, what he did, uh,

1110
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, when I got there, it was the perfect

1111
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: scenario because John could play. He almost he almost took

1112
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: us the playoffs a couple of games a where we

1113
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: ended up going five hundred that year. And I had

1114
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: a chance to absorb all of it. Him and meetings,

1115
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: him talking to the team, him taking care of his body,

1116
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: him working out, watching at this watching and watch film.

1117
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: So I had a phenomenal coach that was doing it

1118
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: on the field in front of me with the ones

1119
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: in practice and then on game day as a starter.

1120
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: So um you know, it was a unique situation and um,

1121
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: like everybody, like every quarterback situations like Patrick from my Homes.

1122
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: Situation was unique because they had Alex Holmes, we had

1123
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: John Kittna. We went eight and eight, which was huge,

1124
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: and Cincinnati eight Nates like winning the Super Bowl for

1125
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: the organization in Cincinnati. So um you know that was

1126
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: that was an important part of my career because I

1127
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: got a chance to see that is what an NFL

1128
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: quarterback does, That is what an NFL leading, a leader

1129
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: in the locker room does, and that really shaped my career,

1130
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity to sit behind such a great guy like

1131
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: John Kittna. Okay, a couple more before I get you

1132
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: out of here. I wanted I wanted to ask this,

1133
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: uh the thing that I wrote down the four you

1134
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: know teams that you probably consistently played the most that

1135
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: were great on defense, the Harbor Niners, Pete Carroll, Seattle Seahawks,

1136
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: Ray Lewis ned Read squads and then a lot of

1137
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: those Steeler defenses, and I just wanted on each one

1138
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: the thing that probably kept you up at night. And

1139
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: we'll start with the f C North. Ray Lewis ent

1140
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: read Baltimore Ravens what was hard for Carson, Paul and

1141
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: Sase guys. Yeah, it's funny now that you're saying that.

1142
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking about when I was in the

1143
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: a f C North for a decade that was like

1144
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: that was number one and number two in defense. It

1145
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: was number one and number two and total defense every

1146
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: year between Baltimore and in Cincinnati. And then when I get,

1147
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, a decade later, I get to the NFC West,

1148
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: and the hardball defense and and the Pete Carroll defense

1149
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: were one and two. So I I have I got

1150
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: a chance to play against the absolute best and watch

1151
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: and study the absolute best, you know, over a decade

1152
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: and a half career, totally different defenses. I mean, you

1153
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: compare Pete what Pete Carroll did to what that Steeler

1154
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: defense did and their heyday, which by the way, only

1155
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: winning Super two Super Bowls was a tragedy. That defense

1156
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: was so good on every level and and the fact

1157
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: that they didn't win more Super Bowls is a tragedy

1158
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: because that defense was that good. Man. They had everything

1159
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: they could rust. They had James Harrison, they had Joey

1160
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: Porter and his prime. They had Casey Hampton in the

1161
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: middle who just absolutely plugged up any run game. Up front.

1162
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: Brett Keisel and Aaron Smith are probably two of the

1163
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: better defensive lineman that nobody really knows about. And it's

1164
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: that's a tragedy in itself. I mean, Aaron Smith was

1165
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: such a good three technique, one of the probably the

1166
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: best three technique other than Justin Smith and uh in

1167
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Um, unbelievable. I mean Larry Foote, James Ferrier,

1168
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: had Troy Paula Mallo, you had Ryan Clark, you had

1169
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: Chris Hope, you had Ike Hilliard. Um, Um, I know

1170
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget. I mean that defense was an all

1171
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: star defense. And then you played then twice and then

1172
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: you had to play against Ray Lewis and part Scott

1173
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: and Chris McAllister and Ed Reid and you can go

1174
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: on and on. Oh sugs, I mean what a problem

1175
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: he was. Um yeah, I mean eller be I mean

1176
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: you can go on and on. There were so many

1177
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: great players on both of those defenses. Um, and then

1178
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, you go, you go look at that that

1179
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: Justin Smith, Alden Smith. I mean that linebacker corps they

1180
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: had with Patrick Willis and oh man, what's means, and

1181
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: then they drafted Alden mad Broker. I mean that that

1182
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: defense was so good. But then that Seattle defense, I

1183
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: mean you had Cliff Avriel, Michael Bennett, Um, you know

1184
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: JJ Wright, uh, Bobby Wagner, Earl Thomas, you had Cam

1185
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: Chancellor who was a problem. You had Richard Serve. I mean,

1186
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: those were those four defenses were so different. I mean,

1187
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: you compare they were so alike in the fact that

1188
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: they had great players everywhere. They didn't have a really

1189
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: good linebacker corps but couldn't rush the passer or a

1190
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: week secondary. But they were great up front, they were

1191
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: great in the middle, and they were great on the

1192
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: back end. But so different where in Pittsburgh all kinds

1193
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: of pressures and zone blitzes and very little man. And

1194
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: then you compare them to Pete Carroll's defense, where it's

1195
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: all man and a little bit of single high zone

1196
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: but no cover to very little pressure. They let their

1197
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: athletes cover and their pass rushers get after the past

1198
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: the pastor and that's the that kind of goes back

1199
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: to my point if you build your defense or your

1200
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: team around the defensive line of offensive line, and you

1201
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: build it around the defensive line like like the San

1202
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners have right now, you don't have to

1203
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: bring pressure. You can let your athletes cover. You can

1204
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: you can put players in the field and blanket the

1205
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: field with defensive players and long, long armed guys that

1206
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: can get two different zones and get two different holes

1207
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: and rush the passer with four guys and get pressure

1208
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: on the passer with only four guys not having to

1209
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: bring five and six guys like Pete Carroll has been doing,

1210
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: you know for a long time. Um, that's a problem

1211
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: on offenses. It's a real problem on offenses when they're

1212
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: only bringing four but they have seven back there and

1213
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: coverage that there's not really a hole or avoid in

1214
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: the defense. Um. And and you know it's it's so

1215
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: it's so different. Those two style of defenses, the Pittsburgh

1216
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: zone blitz to I'm gonna cover you one on one

1217
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: in Seattle, those two styles of defenses are so different,

1218
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: but yet so alike. Um. They were really really good

1219
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: because they had really really good players and they didn't

1220
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: have to cover up any weaknesses or have any holes

1221
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: or any issues because they had good players everywhere. What

1222
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: defense were the best ship talkers that the Ravens or

1223
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: this or Seattle Uh a little too. Seattle didn't talk much.

1224
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: We were. We used to go up to Seattle and

1225
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: beat him. Um, so they kind of kept quiet. Um Pittsburgh,

1226
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Joey Porter is the Hall of Fame trash talkers,

1227
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: so I mean he he did enough were you had.

1228
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: You had Joey Porter on one side, who was a

1229
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: problem in his own right and he never shut up.

1230
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: And then on the other side you had James Harrison

1231
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: who was a real problem in his own right but

1232
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: never said a word. And then you had Larry Foot

1233
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: run in his mouth and James Ferrier that didn't really

1234
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: say much, or Troy Troy Paula Maala didn't really say

1235
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: anything to anybody, whether it was our team or his team.

1236
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: So you had, you know a lot of different um

1237
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, personalities and egos and all that. But Joe

1238
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: kind of carried the weight for the entire team, I

1239
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: think and trash talking and he was he was really good.

1240
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: It is it true that Matt Castle and Troy Paula

1241
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: Malla were your college roommates. Yeah, it was castle and

1242
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: I shared what was a dining room. We put our

1243
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: stipends together. We barely paid rent. We lived in a

1244
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:28,479
Speaker 1: rat infested house with Troy Carry, Colbert Um, Lenny vander Meade,

1245
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: Norm kat Nick who else played in the league in there,

1246
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: Um a handful of other guys Matt Nichols who who

1247
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: never played in the league, Charlie Landergan who played for

1248
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. But yeah, we had we had an

1249
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: awesome house, not an awesome house, and aesthetically it was

1250
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: a dump. But man, l a rent was so expensive

1251
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: and we got the same stipend. As you know, colleges

1252
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere where went was nothing, so

1253
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: we had to We had to bunk up and we

1254
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: lived in When I say rat infest, I mean we

1255
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: set rat traps every night, um, and it was absolute dump.

1256
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't change the thing about it. We had.

1257
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: We had a blast in that house. As I get

1258
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: you out of here, I just wrote down about ten names.

1259
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go rapid fire. The first thing that

1260
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: just comes to your mind. Brady best ever, Peyton Man,

1261
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: the second best ever, Aaron Rodgers, Velocity, Breeze, Pinpoint, accuracy,

1262
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: Bruce arians Man, there's a lot that I can only

1263
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 1: use a couple of words. Huh. You can say whatever

1264
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: you want and be a was just the best, mahomes Man, dangerous,

1265
01:06:50,680 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald the best ever. Belichick the best ever, and

1266
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: does not get enough recognition, even though he gets a

1267
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: lot of recognition, still does not get enough recognition. So

1268
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: really quick on him. I mean it's he's fair to

1269
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: say he's on a different level. Yeah, you know what's

1270
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: amazing about him When you look at the coaching the

1271
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: coaching world in general, everybody's got somebody from their past.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's got somebody that scratched their back along the way

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01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: or gave him their first job, or you know, it

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01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: was a coach of the college that gave their kid

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01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: a scholarship or coached with them somewhere else and has

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01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: a familiarity with them and their wives are good friends.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at Belichick, I there's so many

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: coaching staffs. But when the coaching thing comes together at

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01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: the end of the season and so and so gets

1280
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: fired and so and so is coming in, you have

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01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: to go into an interview with an owner in a

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01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: GM and say I'm gonna hire this, this guy, this guy,

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01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: this guy. This is my offensive coordinator, this is my

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01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: special teams coordinator. This is who I'm bringing. And it

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01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: forces coach is to make poor decisions if it forces

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01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: coaches to get comfortable and hire somebody they're comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: And one of the blessings that Belichick's has he hasn't

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01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: been fired, so he hasn't had to go into Bob

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01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: Craft's office and go, Okay, I know you're I know

1290
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: you're interviewing six guys in the next week and a half.

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01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: Here's who my coaches are. What Belichick does is when

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01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: he loses Matt Patricia to um, let's say, when he

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01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: loses the Matt Patricia to the to the Detroit he interviewed.

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01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,839
Speaker 1: He doesn't interview buddies or people he coached with elsewhere.

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01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: He introduced a ton of people, and I've talked to

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01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: different guys that have gone in for that interview, and

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01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't care about, well, your wife's get along with

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01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: my wife, and you know, all the silly little things

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01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: that come up. And he interviews the mind of the

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01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: coach and can this guy teach? Can this guy teach

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01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: what we want to teach? Here. Can he deliver the message?

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01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: Is he is he really smart? Does he get it?

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: Does he know what he's doing? Like there's so many

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01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: He has great coaches on his staff, and he can.

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01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: If he can fill the shoes of a bliant Brian

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01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: Flores or promote somebody within, he will. But he's always

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01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: interviewing and always looking for great coaches, not just somebody

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01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: that's comfortable or somebody has worked with back in the day,

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: or somebody that scratched his back, but now he's gonna

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01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: scratch There's there's so much of that, and there's so

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01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: much in return. There's so much bad coaching in the NFL,

1312
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: and if it's the best of the best players and

1313
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: the creme de la creme players, it needs to be

1314
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: that way in coaching. And too often coaches are hiring buddies,

1315
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: or coaches are hiring somebody that's comfortable, or coaches are

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01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: hiring somebody that and if things go sour, this guy

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01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 1: won't be promoted within to take my job. And so

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01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with him being a coordinator because I know

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01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: he won't. He won't interview well with the owner if

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: I screw up, and I'm not not doing well, and

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like there's so much of

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01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: that going on where Belichick just hires bright minds that

1323
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: know the game and know how to teach, not coach.

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01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 1: They know how to teach and deliver messages and get

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01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: players to do exactly what they're being taught. Organizationally, how

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: to you know, how to how to fill in the

1327
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: shoes of Stephen Gilmour when it's time to cut him

1328
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: because his contracts too hired, and he's his contracts too

1329
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: big and he's thirty two years old. Who's the chief

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01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: guy that they can mold and build into playing this

1331
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: style of football and teach, not coach, but teach how

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01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: to play this style of football. And so he's got

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01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: great coaches and I know he gets a lot of

1334
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: slack for you know, Romeo Cornell is not working out,

1335
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: and man Jeanie's not working out, and some of the

1336
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 1: guys that haven't worked out, but they haven't worked out

1337
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 1: because they weren't great head coaches, but they were great

1338
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: coordinators or they were great teachers. And he's done a

1339
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,799
Speaker 1: great job of only hiring who cares outside of football,

1340
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: who cares what they bring to the table. He wants

1341
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: guys that bring a certain amount of knowledge and the

1342
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: ability to teach, and he hired great coaches and that's

1343
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: why his teams are so good. I mean, the defense

1344
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: is really really good because there's a bunch of really

1345
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: good defensive coaches on it, and there's good players, but

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01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: there's no you know, Perennial All Pro, highest paid in

1347
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: the league guys. They have a bunch of really good

1348
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 1: players that are coached and taught really really well. And

1349
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: that's you know, one of the secrets, not enough the secret,

1350
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: but that's one of the the pieces of his success. Well,

1351
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: I haven't asked this question, end on this because I

1352
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: think you'd be a good guy to ask. I got

1353
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: a couple of people tweet at me if Belichick next year,

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01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: let's hypothetically say Josh Lea's could he take over as

1355
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator? And would they skip a beat? Uh? No? Yeah,

1356
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: I mean, just because you're a great teacher and coach

1357
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can do it all. So you you

1358
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: think it would be hard for him. I definitely think

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01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: it would be hard for him. Um. I mean it's

1360
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: so different offense. You look at a defensive call sheet

1361
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: on on a defensive coordinator's desk, and you've got to

1362
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: be ready for a number of situations. But you've probably got, uh,

1363
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: six to ten coverage is ready to go in that

1364
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 1: game plan, six to ten stunts and twists up front

1365
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: for your defensive line, and games to play within the

1366
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: defensive line, and you know, maybe about the same from

1367
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 1: a linebacker situation. So you have the three levels of

1368
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: the defense, the back end, the middle, and the front four.

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01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: So you've only got a handful of commodations. Offense is

1370
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: so different. I mean it's it's you know you've got

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,560
Speaker 1: I'll bet Josh McDaniels goes into a game plan with

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty to twenty play the potential to

1373
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: call a hundred and fifty to two place. So not

1374
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 1: that it's too much for him or he can't he

1375
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: doesn't know it. But um, it's like asking a plumber

1376
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: to be your electrician to some standpoint, I mean a plumber.

1377
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 1: A plumber specializes in plumbing and all that comes with

1378
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: plumbing and probably knows some electrics, you know, electrician stuff

1379
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: because he dealt with electricians on a remodel or a

1380
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: build or whatever it is. Um, but that's not and

1381
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: that's the brilliant you know, and and and what makes

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01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: Belichick so good probably is he wouldn't do that to

1383
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: himself for the detriment of the team. He probably could,

1384
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: he could get away with it, but he knows that

1385
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: that team, in that organization is better observed with him

1386
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: as the head coach, helping out on defense, but hiring

1387
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: somebody that's great and brilliant on offense, like a Josh McDaniels,

1388
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: and throwing his two cents in on certain things, and

1389
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: and helping out on certain things. But to take over

1390
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: offensive plank calling completely. Um. That would be something that

1391
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: a lot of head coaches have done in the past

1392
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: just because their egos get out of control. But the

1393
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: one thing Belichick's done is he's kept his ego in

1394
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 1: control and he's kept the egos of his players in control.

1395
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: So that would be so unorthodox for him to try

1396
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: to do. UM. But I don't think he would even

1397
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: fathom trying it. Okay, what one more quick one. You

1398
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: have a favorite offensive coordinator in the league, a guy

1399
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: that you didn't play for, just someone that you watch

1400
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: or that you've known through you know, acquaintances or former

1401
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: players or former coaches. Do you just really like that.

1402
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: You're he he might even be a head coach, because

1403
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: a lot of them obviously now are head coaches. Play callers. Yeah,

1404
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. I mean what I've since from his days

1405
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: with Matt shob and and and just the group they

1406
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: had in in Houston, um to what he did when

1407
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: he went to Cleveland for minute, and then now what

1408
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: he's doing in San Francisco. You know, he just the

1409
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: run game is so good, the play action is so good,

1410
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: the bootlegs are so good. There's so many it's really

1411
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 1: hard to find when you're watching an NFL game easy completions,

1412
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: And when you watch the San Francisco forty Niners play,

1413
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of easy completions, and screens are easy completions,

1414
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: but there's also digs that you can throw an over

1415
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: routes that where the ball is traveling twenty five yards

1416
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: in the air that are easy completions because guys are

1417
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: that open and and just tune into one. You know,

1418
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: you can watch games all Sunday long and wait for

1419
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: the Monday night game where where San Francisco is playing,

1420
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: and you can watch all day long and see very

1421
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: watch every game and see very few easy completions, a

1422
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: handful of easy completions, but you see three or four

1423
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: every week every game when the forty Niners play. So

1424
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: being a quarterback, I know how hard it is to

1425
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 1: throw difficult, very very accurate passes. It's hard to throw

1426
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: them into tight coverage, it's hard to fit balls in

1427
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 1: certain spots. When you get those opportunities like oh, that

1428
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: guy's wide ass open, and oh there's nobody around that.

1429
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: When you have those opportunities, it's really nice in the

1430
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: middle of the game. But it also it's almost like

1431
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: a placebo effect, like, man, everybody's open now, Man that guy,

1432
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: that guy had tons of separation, and it almost kind

1433
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: of like affects you as the game goes on. When

1434
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: you get those opportunities, your confidence goes up. Man, this

1435
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: coach is on fire right now, everything's open, Bruce. Bruce

1436
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: is the same way. We were playing a game in Cleveland,

1437
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: and I told him after the game, it's the first

1438
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 1: time in my career where we're hanging out and we

1439
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: grabbed a beer in the locker room after the game

1440
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: as we're waiting to get on the bus. We were

1441
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, so we're getting waiting to get on the

1442
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: bus to the head of the airport to fly back

1443
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: to Arizona, and we're hanging out the locker room and talking,

1444
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: and I was just like, man, everything you called was

1445
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 1: the perfect coverage because you have all these plays like

1446
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: this play is good versus these six coverage. But if

1447
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: we get this one coverage, this is a touchdown. And

1448
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: then you know, and as the play is unfold, as

1449
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: you're going through a game plan, you have to know

1450
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: what to do if you get the worst coverage, if

1451
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: you get this coverage versus this play, you have to

1452
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: either throw it out of bounds, don't take a sack,

1453
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 1: or throw it at somebody's feet because the nobody's gonna

1454
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: be open. But if you get this coverage, it's a touchdown.

1455
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: We're in the locker room after the game. I was

1456
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: just like, man, every time you called the shot, we

1457
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: got the perfect coverage. Every time there was a big

1458
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: quarters beater post and you know in that play call

1459
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: they were playing quarters. And every time we want to

1460
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: take a shot versus Joe Hayden, who is playing with

1461
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 1: a bad hamstring a corner, they happen to be impressed

1462
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: cover one and we do an easy touchdown. Pass. So

1463
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: there are some guys that that are like that. Bruce

1464
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: is definitely like that, and I think Kyle Shanahan's like that.

1465
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 1: Where you watched that offense, you go, man, I want

1466
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: to play in that system. What's funny? I'm monny night

1467
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: football against the Browns. Joe Stay, he told a story

1468
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: after the game because he had a broken leg and

1469
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: he's standing next to Kyle and he calls the play

1470
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: and as they're walking to the line of scrimmage, Kyle,

1471
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: they already kind of show their coverage. Kyle looks at Joe,

1472
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: says touchdown, walks away. Five seconds later, Jimmy throws a

1473
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: layup touchdown to George Kittle, and Joe's like, I'm speech.

1474
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you just say? You know what

1475
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean? The guys like Steph Curry calling a shot,

1476
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: putting his arms up before the ball even hits the net.

1477
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: You know, he's just that good. Well, it's it's just

1478
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,560
Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan's talking about being in the zone. I

1479
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: mean that that that one game. I've never felt like

1480
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: that before, but the play caller, Bruce was in the zone. Yeah,

1481
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean that that game against Cleveland, he was in

1482
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: the zone. Every time he called a shot, we got

1483
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 1: exactly what we had talked about getting during the week.

1484
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: If they played this coverage, we got them. If they

1485
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 1: played this coverage, touchdown. Every time he called one of

1486
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: those shots, which Bruce likes to call two or three

1487
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: a quarter. So you end up with, you know, a

1488
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: handful of shot and every time you get you get

1489
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: those shots off the place sheet. They happened to be

1490
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,560
Speaker 1: playing the covers they're designed for. I really felt like

1491
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: I told him, man, I felt like, like, Man, you

1492
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: were in the zone today. But it happens to coaches

1493
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,679
Speaker 1: and it happens to players, There's no doubt. Well, Carson,

1494
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: I I can't thank you enough for coming on. It's

1495
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: just a fan of football, I think I speak for

1496
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: most people have always admired and appreciated your game. Uh,

1497
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: and now I wish you had nothing but the best

1498
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: in retirement and dad life and living in Idaho and

1499
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: the cold stay warm, I man, I will, I will.

1500
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: It was one degrees when I got out to drive

1501
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: my kids in school today and it's not gonna warm

1502
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: up much. But but John, I appreciate it. Man. Is good.

1503
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: Good meeting the other day, and good catching up and

1504
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you having me on. Well that didn't suck.

1505
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, I could do a thousand more interviews in

1506
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: my career and that's it's about as cool as you're

1507
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna get. And it really hit me last night after

1508
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: I talked to him and I was thinking about it.

1509
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, we we bashed ESPN and the Monday night

1510
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: broadcast many times on this on this podcast. And it's

1511
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: not I don't do personal shots. If I if I'm

1512
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: critical of something, it's because I believe it. This as

1513
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: I say anyone, And I get text sometimes when people

1514
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 1: are like you're being mean to me or being mean

1515
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: like now, this isn't personal, as you know, it's just

1516
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: it's just business as a business we chose and uh,

1517
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: I get criticized to what Welcome to life. But that

1518
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: would be a guy higher like if I was a

1519
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 1: TV executive And I don't know if you do it

1520
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: like he's got a ton of money, he's living a

1521
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: good family life in Idaho. I think he's pretty low

1522
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 1: key guy, but you can tell he's got some romo

1523
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: to him. Guys guy gets along with everyone, knows his

1524
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: ship and people just like him. I I think he

1525
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: would be you know, for all the think of all

1526
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 1: the old former players on TV, Like whenever I turn

1527
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,719
Speaker 1: on CBS and Dan fouts, like, what are we doing?

1528
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: You know, this might have been cool for my dad

1529
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 1: ten twenty years ago, but let's let's move on. You

1530
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: know something, And I'm not like some agists, but you

1531
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: can't hold on to these former players that were good

1532
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: in the seventies forever. You know. It's like Hugh be

1533
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: Brown own right of our chorney, he's eighty five. I

1534
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: get any coach basketball, but can we get some new

1535
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: blood in here? For the love of God? And again,

1536
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: Carson's made so much money. I don't know, but he

1537
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: would be a guy that I would immediately call if

1538
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: I was a television executive. Let's get to the weekend games.

1539
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: Texans at Jaguars in Europe, Europe, England, UK, wherever? Never been,

1540
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: never been there. I've been to Spain in Italy, but

1541
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: I've never been to England. Uh, Texas at Jaguars plus two. Listen,

1542
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: the Texans got a big win on Sunday, but it

1543
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: was a lot of Deshaun Watson carrying their ass. Uh.

1544
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: J J. Watts out for the season now, Torn Labor

1545
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: Lonnie Johnson, their starting corner. I think he's scheduled to

1546
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: be out this game. The Texans are a two man

1547
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 1: squad right now, Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins, and then just

1548
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: whatever else Deshaun Watson can do. The Jacksonville Jaguars, who

1549
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: had been struggling a little bit. You know, when you

1550
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: play the Jets, you get your mojo back a little bit.

1551
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 1: And you've got Gardner Mins who played well, the Leonard four.

1552
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: Nett's one of the leading rushers in the league. D J.

1553
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,839
Speaker 1: Chark has been good their dfense. Josh Allen is bawling.

1554
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:04,560
Speaker 1: I kind of like Jacksonville in this game to go

1555
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,799
Speaker 1: to five and four. Thing about that, they're five hundred

1556
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: right now with a six round quarterback, and they can

1557
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: get the five and four after this game, they'd be

1558
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 1: in pretty good shape. Washington, Buffalo, the Redskins. I got

1559
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: a text to day from someone in the NFL that

1560
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 1: was like, wait till, wait till the real story comes

1561
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 1: out in this Redskins Williams, it's just a debacle and

1562
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: the Redskins are an embarrassment. Bruce Allen's Dan Snyder like

1563
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 1: the Capitals and the now the Nationals. You couldn't be

1564
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: any more relevant. The only thing you're relevant for in Washington,

1565
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,600
Speaker 1: d C. Is for bad things. I feel bad to

1566
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: all the season ticket holders, to all the die hard fans.

1567
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: It sucks. The Bills pretty boring, good team, but their defense.

1568
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: To me, this has like seventeen nothing written all over.

1569
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: It is Dwayne Haskins starting this week. I would imagine

1570
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: he is like who even has opinions on the Washington Redskins?

1571
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: Even if you were a die hard fan, how could

1572
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: you even read about like, well, this is what they're

1573
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 1: getting ready to game plan this week. It's like, how

1574
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: could you even care? Tennessee at Carolina, Uh, you know,

1575
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: Airlina just got she lacked. I think they are much

1576
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: better team than they showed on Sunday against the Niners.

1577
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: It might be more of a reflection how good the

1578
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: Niners are. Uh Tennessee, they've been better with Ryan Tannehill.

1579
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: Obviously they're you know, just their front seven's not bad.

1580
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: I've always been a rebel guy, but I think Carolina

1581
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: minus three and a half wins this game. You kind

1582
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: of get their mojo back. Christian McCaffrey goes off. This

1583
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: game is interesting Philly kind of got there, you know,

1584
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: got a big win last weekend at Buffalo. The Bears

1585
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: had one of the worst losses of the season at

1586
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: home against the Chargers, Bears getting five points on the road.

1587
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: Matt Naggy got to start in Philadelphia, saying with Doug

1588
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: Peterson four coach read kind of a little uh, you know,

1589
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 1: reuniting of the two guys that used to work for

1590
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Obviously Doug still does. The Bears defense played

1591
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: really good against the Chargers. It was true Bisky who

1592
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: had a second half pick, not a second half a

1593
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 1: fourth quarter pick and a fourth quarter fumble that you

1594
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 1: know lost him the game. Then obviously they missed the

1595
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: kick Philly. Listen, Carson Wentz when he's on is as

1596
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: good as anyone. I don't know if Deshaun Watson or not.

1597
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, but Sean Jackson's gonna play in this game

1598
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: or not. Fletcher Cox look a little bit better last week,

1599
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: but you trust their corners. I kind of like the

1600
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 1: Bears plus five now do. I like the Bears will

1601
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 1: win this game. They're pretty big underdog for being a

1602
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: former playoff team. You know, at a team that's what's

1603
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: the Eagles right now four and four. Uh, this is

1604
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: whoever loses this game just say goodbye bye to the

1605
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: playoffs Jets of the Dolphins. At least the Dolphins admit

1606
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 1: like we're tanking, we're trying to lose. The Jets have

1607
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: actively tried to win games that they are beside probably

1608
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: the Redskins. The biggest joke in the league this year,

1609
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 1: the trade rumors that they can't keep in house Sam Donald,

1610
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: the mono situation, and then he's playing bad again. Their

1611
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 1: offensive lines atrocious. They're trading every player. Adam Gates Like, listen, Adam,

1612
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: I get Peyton Manning loved you well, I understand that,

1613
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 1: but Peyton Manning's not playing anymore, and your equity as

1614
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: this offensive mind who I've supported over the years is

1615
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: diminishing at a rapid rate. You can't hate everyone on

1616
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: your fifty three man roster, like you eventually have to go.

1617
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: I kind of like this player. I can attempt to

1618
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: win with this player. Your negative attitude, like, try using

1619
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: some optimism in your life, because it feels like you

1620
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 1: hate every single player on your team. And listen, I

1621
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: get you didn't pick the majority of them, help all

1622
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: of them, but it's like welcome to life. Eventually, you

1623
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: gotta like someone. God, Adam, you're killing me. Colts at

1624
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: the Steelers the culture one of those teams because they

1625
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: they're somewhat of an overachieving group. When they play the Chiefs,

1626
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: when they play you know, uh, the Texans, you're gonna

1627
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: get on effort. They are gonna be excellent. But when

1628
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 1: they played like the Raiders, and you see when they

1629
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: play the Broncos, they're not quite as laser focused because

1630
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: for them to be good they have to go all

1631
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,839
Speaker 1: balls to the wall because they're not quite as talented

1632
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: as some of these teams. But they're well coached and

1633
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: they're tough, and I think you saw it last week

1634
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: and a couple of weeks ago when they play the Raiders,

1635
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: if they're not super locked in, they can be beat. Well,

1636
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: this is the type game Pittsburgh now has kind of

1637
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 1: got their mojo back and they're still the Steelers. I

1638
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,759
Speaker 1: think you're gonna get the Colt's best effort. My question

1639
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: is what Mason Rudolph do I get? Do I get

1640
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: the Mason Rudolf that when I flipped on the Monday

1641
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: night football game, he's just throwing pick after pick, or

1642
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: when I watched him against the forty Niners in the

1643
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: first half, you go, is this guy a practice squad

1644
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: player or is he the guy in the second half

1645
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: where you go, Oh, that's a third round pick. That's

1646
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: a guy that could be a starter in the NFL.

1647
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: He did the same thing a'inst the Niners through a

1648
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: touchdown past You're like, God, this guy can make some plays.

1649
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe it's just the nature having a young quarterback.

1650
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: But the one thing you say about the Steelers is

1651
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: they do have some weapons. Juju is a good player.

1652
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 1: The kid from Tulane that scored that sweet touchdown on

1653
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: Monday night football can fly. Uh last night check. I

1654
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: don't know James Conner status for this game, but you

1655
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 1: can piece mail running backs to me. It's about Mason

1656
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: throwing the football. Uh. I kind of like the Steelers

1657
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: plus one in five, one in five plus one and

1658
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: a half. Uh. And if they win this game, they'd

1659
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: be four and four, And to have Roethlisberger being out

1660
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 1: with Tommy John surgery or whatever the hell surgery had

1661
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: him his elbow shot and to be four and four

1662
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 1: would be an incredible accomplishment for the Steelers and I

1663
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: would tip my hat to him. Lions at the Raiders.

1664
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: This game is interesting because clearly the Raiders are good

1665
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: offensive team. They can run the ball, Derek Harsman playing

1666
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: really well, Waller's balling. Their defense stinks that they had

1667
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: a swing and a miss on the fourth overall pick.

1668
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 1: They passed on Josh Allen, who Schefter tweeted out yesterday.

1669
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: You compare him and Nick Bosa. They have both dominated

1670
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: for Cleveland. Farrell who is who is probably the most

1671
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: untradable player in the league. He makes like six seven

1672
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: million dollars a year and as one pressure on the season,

1673
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: he is not good. If they would have drafted Josh Allen,

1674
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 1: the Raiders might be a playoff team, But instead they

1675
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: don't have Josh Allen and they're not going to be.

1676
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: This is a tough matchup for him because they can't

1677
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: really cover and Matt Stafford's having statistically through I think

1678
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 1: seven games, the best season of his career. He's got

1679
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,599
Speaker 1: sixteen touchdowns, only four picks. They're passing game is awesome.

1680
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Now they're running game. The kid from Auburn carry On

1681
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: Johnson's on injury reserve. I think rap sheet I saw

1682
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: on Twitter said that they tried to trade for DeVante

1683
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: Freeman and it almost went through, and it fell through

1684
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: last minute. That would have been big. But I don't

1685
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: know if you necessarily need them to need him to

1686
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: beat the Raiders. I think that Stafford has a field day.

1687
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: It kind of looks like Roger is a couple of

1688
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 1: weeks back in Lambeau. Now the Raiders are playing at

1689
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: home for the first time and like seven months longest

1690
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: road trip in the history of professional sports. But I

1691
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 1: just I think it's a tight game. I'm not acting

1692
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: like the Raiders don't belong with the Lions. I just

1693
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,400
Speaker 1: think I like the I like the Lions plus two

1694
01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: in this game. Tampat Seattle, Uh, this is setting up

1695
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: for next week Monday Night football. Seattle is gonna be

1696
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: seven and two. I mean, you're gonna trust Jameis Winston,

1697
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: who leads the league in interceptions, who is just a

1698
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: turnover machine, to go into Seattle and even compete. I

1699
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: I just don't see it, you know. And Uh, Seattle

1700
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 1: with Chris Carson, with the Ray Russell's playing just that crowd,

1701
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,560
Speaker 1: I think they kicked their ass. I I really do.

1702
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: Cleveland at Denver, listen, I I get Flacco's hurt his

1703
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: neck and they're playing some random guy at quarterback because

1704
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: the Drew lock is still hurt and he can't start.

1705
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: I think everyone's just chucking up Cleveland for a win

1706
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,759
Speaker 1: at Denver. And I'm gonna say, pump the brakes again.

1707
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 1: I this quarterback they're starting, I've never even heard of

1708
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: the guy. But to think that Cleveland, with everything that's

1709
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: going on, Baker flipping out their two and five, they're

1710
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: just an absolute shambles, is just going to go to Denver. Now,

1711
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Denver is good. They they've earned their

1712
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: record there two and six. They've lost the majority of

1713
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,560
Speaker 1: their games. I think all of their freaking games have

1714
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: come down to a one score game. They are in

1715
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: every game. They are a They are a really good

1716
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 1: bad team. And listen, Vic Fangio, first time your head coach,

1717
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: say what you want about him. I will take Vic

1718
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: Fangil every day of the week and five times on

1719
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: Sunday over Freddie Kitchens. So I just like Denver plus

1720
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 1: three and a half. Now, I don't know necessarily if

1721
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: Denver wins out right, but I know, Colin, you just listen,

1722
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna go in Denver and kick the ship out

1723
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 1: of them. I don't know. Denver's a weird place to play.

1724
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: It always has been, even when their teams haven't been good.

1725
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: And and who the hell is Cleveland to get some

1726
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubts, Like, oh, Baker's just gonna figure

1727
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: this out. Baker's having a mental breakdown, you know, as

1728
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: as a good friend of mine, Lorenz O'Neil, maybe a

1729
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: future Hall of Fame fullback, told me pressure just two things.

1730
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: It creates diamonds, and it burst pipes. And right now

1731
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,719
Speaker 1: it feels like it's bursting every single pipe in bre Ohio.

1732
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you, I think this game in Denver

1733
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: is gonna be a lot weirder than people think. Packers

1734
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:40,799
Speaker 1: at the Chargers Chargers fired Ken wizzen Hunt like Dean Spanos,

1735
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Just sell your team, get out

1736
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: of the NFL. You are a you are a just

1737
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 1: a black mark right now in the NFL. You're just

1738
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: you're unbecoming of what the NFL stands for. Right now.

1739
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 1: You're cheap, You're just you're piggybacking off Cronkey. Just leave

1740
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 1: leave us all alone. We'll just go sell your team.

1741
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:03,400
Speaker 1: Make your billions, do whatever the hell you want. I

1742
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: know you hate the thought of even selling your team

1743
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: because of the tax bill. That that just makes your

1744
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.

1745
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: But just get out of here. We've had enough of you.

1746
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna host the Packers this weekend at your little

1747
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 1: concert stadium, and it holds thirty thousand people. I will

1748
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: be shocked if there aren't twenty nine thousand Packer fans

1749
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 1: it is going to. It might be one Packer. There

1750
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 1: might not be a Charger fan beside Chargers employees in

1751
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: this thirty you know, home depot center. I think the

1752
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: Packers just kicked the ship out of him. Uh. Anthony

1753
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 1: Lynn is not a very good head coach. I've been

1754
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: saying it for two years. I had to back off

1755
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 1: a little bit because they got hot. But let's call

1756
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: it what it is. He doesn't call the defense, which

1757
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: was really good last year. That was Gus Bradley and offensively,

1758
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 1: I mean, Philip Rivers carries the team when they were good.

1759
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 1: So Anthony len is gonna get fired at the end

1760
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 1: of this year. I would imagine they go after Josh McDaniels.

1761
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 1: But are they really gonna pay Josh McDaniels eight or

1762
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 1: nine million dollars to be their head coach. That is

1763
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: not the way Dean Spanos operates because he loves looking

1764
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: at money in his savings account. But love the Packers

1765
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:11,639
Speaker 1: this weekend Pats at Baltimore. The more I've thought about

1766
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: this game, I'm pretty interested to watch because when's the

1767
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: last time the Packers. Excuse me, the Patriots faced a

1768
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 1: real running quarterback that was really good, and you know,

1769
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm critical Lamar Jackson. Don't love his ability

1770
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: to throw the football. But I was listening to my

1771
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 1: guy Lancer line on with Daniel Jeremiah on his podcast

1772
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: the other day. He had a good point. He said,

1773
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: the one thing you gotta look at Lamar like is

1774
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: looking at him like a home run hitter that hits

1775
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 1: two forty. Well, I can live with you hitting two

1776
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: forty if you hit forty seven home runs. And the

1777
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: one thing you'll give Lamar's he makes big plays. So

1778
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: maybe and listen, I am I am never I'm not

1779
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Skip Bayless. I'm not just gonna hold onto a take

1780
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 1: forever like I I am more than open to be fluid.

1781
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 1: And it got me thinking, like Okay. My main issue

1782
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 1: with lam Are is eventually you're gonna have to complete

1783
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: balls in big games. And they're gonna play in big

1784
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,680
Speaker 1: games because they're gonna be a playoff team on third

1785
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 1: night in a playoff game, and when you run and

1786
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: you always die forward, you're gonna get hurt. Like, that's

1787
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 1: not a sustainable way to play. So I'll never change

1788
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: that mindset that that that's that's a tried and true formula.

1789
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: In the NFL third Night, you can't run. You gotta

1790
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: complete a pass in a in a tie game against

1791
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots in the playoffs. Now in this game,

1792
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,679
Speaker 1: we'll see and I love the chess. The chess match.

1793
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:31,080
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, greatest defensive coordinator in the history of the league,

1794
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: up against Lamar Jackson, who just you know, runs around.

1795
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated to watch this thing. You know, Belichick is

1796
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:41,719
Speaker 1: gonna have his defensive lineman, you know, playing very very cautious,

1797
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,639
Speaker 1: like they're not just sprinting up the field and letting

1798
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: him take off through lanes that that ain't that ain't happening.

1799
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, they're hammering that right now as I speak

1800
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: in practice about staying flat footed, about being on your toes,

1801
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:55,920
Speaker 1: not firing up the few. You're not playing Philip Rivers

1802
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 1: here or Eli Manning. You're playing a guy that's basically

1803
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 1: a running back. And can the pass offense get going

1804
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: a little bit this week? You know, they traded for

1805
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: Mohamed Sanu eventually to kill Harry is gonna be back. Uh,

1806
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: this is a fun Sunday night game. I I would

1807
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 1: lean take the Ravens plus four. You know because historically

1808
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: you always say, well, the Ravens are the one team

1809
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: that aren't scared of the the Patriots. Well, i'd say, well,

1810
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:20,719
Speaker 1: and Reid's not walking through that door. Ray Lewis isn't

1811
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 1: walking through that door. Flacco, who always played pretty well

1812
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: against the Patriots in big games, ain't walking through that door.

1813
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't still say that they They've there's a lot

1814
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: of new players here. But this is this is a

1815
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 1: fun game. I'm really excited. I'd probably lean the Ravens

1816
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 1: plus four, though I don't feel very good about it

1817
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: at all. Uh No MIDDLECLFF mail back this week just

1818
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: because the podcast was so long. Thanks everyone for listening,

1819
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,960
Speaker 1: and UH share with your friends, retweeted, share on social media.

1820
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: Have a great weekend. Enjoyed the football and uh happy

1821
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Speaker 1: Halloween audios.