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Speaker 1: All Right, here we go. It is a Monday. Now

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Speaker 1: we're getting football games. Now, we're getting opinions. Now, we're

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Speaker 1: getting what looks like the makings. Okay, maybe not Buffalo

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Speaker 1: in Kansas City, but it does look like we're getting

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Speaker 1: kind of a feel for what's happening one hour from

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Speaker 1: now where Colin would write where Colin was wrong. John

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff is joining me this week for four days. Jmac

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Speaker 1: is on VACA and we'll come back the following week. So, John,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember a preseason game Bill's Bears, which turned

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Speaker 1: out to be at that I was more interested in

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Speaker 1: watching the first two series. You feel that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the Bear super Bowl last night and

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Speaker 3: it went well.

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Speaker 1: It was Buffalo can't get to a super Bowl. Bears

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Speaker 1: had Theirs in preseason, not ideal for both. So Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams of the Chicago Bears, I thought he looked decisive.

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Speaker 1: I thought he looked sharp. At one point he dirted

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Speaker 1: a ball on a screenplay smart play, get out of that,

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Speaker 1: get out of the negative plays. I think, basically, if

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Speaker 1: you're a Bears fan, it's been a rough camp. It's

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Speaker 1: a new system, a new coach. It hasn't been pretty.

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Speaker 1: Even at Friday's practice there were false starts. It was

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Speaker 1: a bit ugly. So it's a big sigh of relief.

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Speaker 1: There's a new system. Caleb likes to freelance. His coach

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Speaker 1: does it not necessarily want that from his quarterback. So

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Speaker 1: last night Caleb Williams actually looked a little bit like

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff. He quarterback like Jared Goff. He dirted the

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Speaker 1: ball on screens, he got rid of and out of trouble,

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Speaker 1: no negative plays. When he had a guy over and

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Speaker 1: he hit him. Now we know he's not Jared Goff.

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Speaker 1: I honestly feel like Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams. And

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Speaker 1: you'll see this sometimes where you'll see a crazy talented artist.

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Speaker 1: Mary's an accountant, and it's not ever perfect that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean it can't work. I mean Andy Reid is a creative.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is a creative that's perfect. I think Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: can also run on his own. That feels perfect. Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: I feel he's got a little bit of Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 1: have to let Caleb breathe. So to me, this whole

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Speaker 1: relationship is about because we know that Ben Johnson is

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Speaker 1: gonna win the first several arguments in this. Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 1: a new coach. It's not a rich ownership group. They're

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Speaker 1: not flushing him out. Caleb struggled his first year, so

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Speaker 1: Ben comes in with leverage but offense of coaches. And

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid would tell you this, when you get somebody

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Speaker 1: as gifted as Mahomes and Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams with that kind of horsepower, with that

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Speaker 1: kind of firepower, it is your job as a coach

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Speaker 1: to figure out how to maximize all that amazing play

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Speaker 1: he's not on time, he's not on schedule, and there's

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Speaker 1: negative plays. Last year Caleb was none of those consistently.

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Speaker 1: So you don't You don't have to be a perfect

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Speaker 1: I think Caleb Williams comp when I watch him, is

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Speaker 1: But Brett Farv mostly played on time, played on schedule.

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Speaker 1: largely quarterback play. That is largely what Belichick says about Brady,

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Speaker 1: no negative plays. It was either you know, second and

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Speaker 1: I thought when he dirted the screen pass, I thought,

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Speaker 1: oh that's perfect. That's growth from last year. Just just

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Speaker 1: Now, in Ben Johnson's school of offense, get out of

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Speaker 3: Here was Caleb after a month ago.

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Speaker 4: I think I've grown a lot.

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Speaker 4: My mind set is, you know, keep growing. If that's

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Speaker 4: handling everything at the line, handling everything you know and

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Speaker 4: taking things off other people's plates, you know, that's what

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Speaker 1: So I saw the media. It was partially media and

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Speaker 1: Stefanski a lot. But you got to offer some clarity here, guys.

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Speaker 1: I've seen this in the NFL with Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's over. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Half of these got Baker Mayfield, I mean Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: You don't want a celebrity backup quarterback, and that hurt

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Speaker 1: Tibo and Kaepernick and Cam Newton in New England with

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Speaker 1: can't have a superstar backup. You guys who love Shador

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Speaker 1: So if I'm a coach and I have to choose, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco's starting, Dylan Gabriel may be easier to deal with.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to deal with a nonsense. So this weekend,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel went on camera and said something that people

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Speaker 1: You gave us some fabulous wisdom on how you tune

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Speaker 1: out the noise and you don't let it infiltrate your stop.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's entertainers and there's competitors, and I totally

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Speaker 1: That was not a shot at Shador Sanders. Shame on

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Speaker 1: You're hurting Shadeur. You're turning a non circus into a circus.

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Speaker 1: When he said that he was taking a shot at us,

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Speaker 1: I'm like why is he taking a shot at Shador?

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Speaker 1: So essentially everybody proved Dylan Gabriel's point, which is all

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Speaker 3: Entertainers.

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Speaker 1: They got to get ratings, they got to drive revenue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: What NFL gms really want from quarterbacks. They want you

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Speaker 1: can't be the life of the party. I've said this

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Speaker 1: If I have to use you for two games, can

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Speaker 1: you win one? Can you just win one of the

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Speaker 1: Two of my starters out for four Cooper Rush great,

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Speaker 1: he can win half the games. Starters should win sixty

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Speaker 1: never be a headline tebou, headline backup cam headline, Kaepernick headline,

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Speaker 3: I'm Dan Byern.

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Speaker 6: We have a fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex.

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Speaker 1: Colin Wright, Colin wrong. We do it every Monday. Here

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Speaker 1: we go where Colin was right. Sam Darnold and the Seahawks, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Preseason where Colin was right, I've said the Bengals ownership

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was raw, There's.

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Speaker 1: But let's could I argue this that the backup Tyson

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Speaker 5: is a blitz thing. So that's gonna open up a

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Speaker 5: whole nother light for us to look at and say, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Kenny handle the blitz. Because everyone talks about Jared Goff,

431
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Speaker 5: But if you look at Jared Goff's numbers against the blitz,

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Speaker 5: they're really good.

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Speaker 3: They really are good.

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Speaker 5: So I think that's gonna probably be a big deal.

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Speaker 5: How far Caleb can advance at least progress this first year.

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Speaker 1: Not only were you a head coach, you worked with

437
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Speaker 1: a great head coach, Jimmy Johnson. And I think I

438
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Speaker 1: told you this privately, probably over a little Italian dinner

439
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Speaker 1: or cocktail a couple of years ago. I said, I

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Speaker 1: think Mike McDaniel's smart. I'm not doubting the smart thing,

441
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Speaker 1: but I need my head coach. I need him to

442
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Speaker 1: be a CEO, and I've been doubting him for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years. I'm like, I know he's got all

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Speaker 1: the motion, but Miami's a hard place to win. As

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a distracted market. It's got perfect winter weather,

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Speaker 1: it's got a lively port players. It gets loose very

447
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Speaker 1: quickly there. And I think maybe Mike McDaniel in boring

448
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis right would be a better fit than distracted LA.

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Speaker 1: But I think their cultures off. I don't like their

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they are. Is that a fair

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Speaker 1: criticism you coached in Miami? You know it's a distracted market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Miami is a little different you.

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Speaker 5: And obviously the thing that they didn't like about me,

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Speaker 5: I never got caught up in that because we were

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Speaker 5: a running team with Ricky Williams. He led the league

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Speaker 5: in rushing. Okay, so we were going to play defense

457
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Speaker 5: and run the ball. Miami was and we were winning games.

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Speaker 5: Miami almost sometimes seemed to be happier when they would lose,

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Speaker 5: when when they weren't running the ball Marina was throwing.

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Speaker 5: They'd lose thirty five, thirty four, and people would say, well,

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Speaker 5: it was an exciting game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know so, so you're right.

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Speaker 5: I mean the culture down here is to throw it

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Speaker 5: when I had my doubts, and it really surprised me

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Speaker 5: because McDaniel supposedly he was in charge of the running

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Speaker 5: game at San Francisco.

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Speaker 3: Go back two or three years ago.

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Speaker 5: That playoff game, I think it was against Buffalo and

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Speaker 5: they had their third team quarterback in there, kids from

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Speaker 5: Kansas State, I believe it was, and they threw the

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Speaker 5: ball with their thirteen quarterback. I think it was three

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Speaker 5: or four times, you can look up the numbers, more

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Speaker 5: than they ran it. And they lost the Buffalo in

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Speaker 5: that playoff game. And that was a big red flag

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Speaker 5: to me, big red flag to me. And I think

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Speaker 5: another way that a coach can lose your team by,

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Speaker 5: what's happening on the field.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about the physicality, but.

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Speaker 5: Also by what happens off the field sometimes from a

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Speaker 5: press conference standpoint and launch year, you know, with Tyreek Hill,

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Speaker 5: I mean, they had an outside shot of the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: Let's be real, you know, it's a lot of things

483
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Speaker 3: had to happen for them to get in.

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Speaker 5: But they still were playing for a possible playoff game

485
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Speaker 5: their last game of the season. And Tyreek Hill doesn't

486
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Speaker 5: go win on the field the last two or three sessions.

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Speaker 5: And I'm watching the press conference and they asked Mike, Well,

488
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Speaker 5: what happened to tire and he says, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I didn't I haven't talked to him yet. Boy.

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Speaker 5: You know, if you're a player, that just doesn't give

491
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Speaker 5: you a you know, a good grasp. But you got

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Speaker 5: your hands around this thing. And I think it's it's

493
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Speaker 5: caught up with them. So hopefully they can rebomb, but

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be a tough one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Staff just sent this to me. Skyler Thompson threw

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Speaker 1: it forty five times in a playoff lost to Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Skyler Thompson at you, Yeah, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Made now?

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Speaker 3: But what are you doing? Okay?

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Speaker 1: So I had said this. I think Shador Sanders is

501
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Speaker 1: probably more my cup of tea as a quarterback. He's

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Speaker 1: a legit six two. He's accurately moves. I don't like

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Speaker 1: the celebrity stuff. Joe Flackell was named starter today. Coach

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Speaker 1: Parcels used to say, no celebrity quarterbacks, but I think

505
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Speaker 1: that ship has sailed some of these nil guys.

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Speaker 3: Cut arch Manning is going to be a celebrity quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You just got to. If you're a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: At you know, Michigan or Notre Dame, you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: a celebrity quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Are you? Would you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what would you do with a situation? Do

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Speaker 1: you like Sador over Dylan Gabriel? Dylan's a little more serious,

513
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Speaker 1: is a little more playful? What do you do in

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Speaker 1: the backup role in that team? If you run the team?

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Speaker 1: Flacko's your guy? Do you keep four guys?

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Speaker 3: No? I don't think you can keep four guys. I

517
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Speaker 3: really don't, you know, I don't.

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Speaker 5: Kenny Pickett was my pick to come out of this,

519
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Speaker 5: not just because he's the pick guy like me, but

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Speaker 5: he was my pick when it started that he was

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Speaker 5: going to cut surfacing this thing as the starter, and

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Speaker 5: obviously injuries or whatever happens, so it sounds like that thing.

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Speaker 3: Has gone old.

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Speaker 5: Sanders has the most talent in my mind just watching

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Speaker 5: them both play. As far as the personalities, god, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, unless he's a distraction the

527
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Speaker 5: members on the team, which I don't think he is.

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Speaker 5: I think Sanders is probably your second best option and

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Speaker 5: Gabriel will he ever did better? And that's the question mark.

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Speaker 5: I think, you know what's the upside on Gabriel? And

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Speaker 5: I love them just like everybody wants to talk about

532
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Speaker 5: at Oregon. You know, the guy had seventy five percent

533
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Speaker 5: completions or whatever it was. But is that you know,

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Speaker 5: is he about as good as he's going to be

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Speaker 5: right now?

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Speaker 3: Can he improve? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: That's a real tough one. I try to keep the

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Speaker 5: personalities out of it as long as they're doing all

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Speaker 5: the right things in the classroom and on the field.

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Speaker 1: So you didn't worry too much about, you know, if

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Speaker 1: some guys are quirky and some guys aren't, you try to.

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Speaker 3: Just eliminate that.

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Speaker 5: Well, yes, as long as it's not affecting your football team.

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Speaker 5: From the standpoint, Are they on time for meetings? I mean,

545
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: do they know what they're doing on the field or

546
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: are they practice? Are they getting in early and staying late?

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Speaker 3: If they're doing.

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Speaker 5: All those things, you know, I think sometimes you know

549
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 5: that off the field stories will get blown out of

550
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 5: proportion to one extent. You know, that's a tough one.

551
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 5: That's a tough one because Gabriels not going to back away.

552
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you got two good, young, talented quarterbacks.

553
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Speaker 5: Maybe you need to play them both and you.

554
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Speaker 3: And see what falls.

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00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: Because the tough thing is flack those Probably it's gonna

556
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 5: be tough with Joke and last the whole season, whether

557
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 5: he just gets tired, he gets hurt, or whatever happens.

558
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 5: So you got to be looking at thing if you're Stefanski,

559
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 5: and you got to be saying, who can can win

560
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Speaker 5: here and finish the season for me and win enough

561
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Speaker 5: games to give us a playoff runner, save my job

562
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Speaker 5: or whatever the situation is.

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Speaker 3: Who can win games for me? Who do I have

564
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Speaker 3: the most confidence in?

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Speaker 5: Because this thing with Joe hopefully at lasts, but it

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Speaker 5: probably won't.

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Speaker 3: He may not have confidence any of the three, To

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Speaker 3: be quite honest with you.

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Speaker 1: So we got into this discussion. John Middlkov, my buddy

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Speaker 1: here is a former scout, and we got we were

571
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Speaker 1: talking about Ashton gent and he's just he is tough, Dave.

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Speaker 1: He is, he runs right, he looks reminds me of

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Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson. He is like a missile. He is seeking contact.

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Speaker 1: He's five seven, five eight whatever. What do you tell

575
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Speaker 1: a running back? I mean, when you're coaching men, you're

576
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Speaker 1: seeking guys who like physicality. But there are positions in football,

577
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Speaker 1: like quarterback and running back where I feel like I look,

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Speaker 1: I'll show you the clips of Ashton Genty. He is

579
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Speaker 1: just getting throttled. And I think to myself, how does

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Speaker 1: a coach send the message live for another day to

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Speaker 1: a power running back.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you do. I think it's just

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Speaker 3: in their nature.

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Speaker 5: And you know, Ricky Williams, let's just use it as

585
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Speaker 5: an example because we were talking Dolphins. You know, I

586
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: remember my first year we had Thurman Thomas, who I

587
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Speaker 5: signed as a free agent.

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Speaker 3: He was done at the Bills. So I was using.

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Speaker 5: Thurman and third done and Ricky in first and second don.

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Speaker 5: After about two games, Ricky came in my office and

591
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Speaker 5: said coach, what are we doing here? And I said, well,

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Speaker 5: you know you're playing verse the second. I'm trying to,

593
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, keep everybody fresh. I want the ball. I

594
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 5: want the ball. So I think the great running backs

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00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 5: they want the football. Can you change their style? I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't try that. I would not try that. I think

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Speaker 5: you got a great back, you hand him the football

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Speaker 5: and you try to win as many games as you can.

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Speaker 3: I mean that, that's, in my opinion.

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Speaker 5: The philosophy I came up with looking at the Eric

601
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Speaker 5: Dickerson's and I played with Tony Dorsett and we saw

602
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: Emmitt Smith first hand. I was with him, as you

603
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 5: know for four years. The great backs, they're gonna win

604
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 5: games for you. And we all know you throw at

605
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 5: the score points, but you got to run at the

606
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Speaker 5: close out games. And Jenti's he's one of those guys.

607
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 5: He will close a game out and win it for

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Speaker 5: you if you got the lead.

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Speaker 1: Dave wantsta. You know you look good in that chair.

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00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: If you know, maybe someday they're gonna you know, my

611
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: days could be numbered. You look pretty good in that

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Speaker 1: authority of chair.

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00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna look back here in the Tofano's restaurant in

615
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Speaker 5: about five hours.

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Speaker 3: Okay, in that chair in little Italy. So that's thick

617
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: about that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm totally jealous, by the way, completely jealous. Dave wantsday,

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Speaker 1: good seeing you.

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Speaker 3: What a good friend, what a good guy. Everybody all right,