WEBVTT - Episode 355 w/ The Isley Brothers 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:18.720 And it's Drink Chess, motherfucking podcast. He's a legend, Darry 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.000 Queen's rapper. He ain't segreed? Is your boy in O 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:25.280 R He's a Miami hippop lionem up his dj e FN. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.840 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:33.000 players in the most professional unprofessional podcast and your number 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.920 one source for drunk fast, drink chess, motherfuckings New year'sz 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:41.160 that it's time for Drink Champs. Drink up, motherfuck mother? 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.080 Would it good? Be Hopeully's would sent me this? Your 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.280 boy in O R E? What up? Is dj e 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:58.360 FN And this is drink Champs? Yap a medic? Sup? Now, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.760 when I tell you, man, when we started this show, 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.760 we wanted to give people their flowers. You know that's 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.840 been in this game, and that's been season, that's been 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.080 you know, loyal to this game. And and when we 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:14.880 talk about these two brothers, uh, we're talking beyond legendary, 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.280 we talk them beyond iconic. We're talking Tycoon, we're talking 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:27.399 global galaxy. We're talking new plan type of thing. These brothers, 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.200 I can't I can't you when you go through their catalog, 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:37.920 they take you three days thirty two albums, countless hits. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:44.920 You can't name without them. They've been here, they are 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.960 doing it, They're still looking good. They pull them up 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.200 as printers, came late as hell as they important. We 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:57.080 had to wear presidential time, and we didn't keep playing 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:03.720 that one time. It's more even legendary. And man, I 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.520 just want to thank them because me listening to the 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.519 music and me going through it and me, you know, 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.919 knowing the struggles of how they started and where they 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.480 are now and they continue to be. And like mister 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.760 Lee was trying to say, a lot of our parents 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:26.360 was making baby music, I'm thinking millions if if I 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.840 could say it, there's a lot as millions of babies. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.520 Generation was definitely more than one generation because these brothers, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.079 and I'm not gonna lie, it's probably everyone in this 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:48.320 every man man. I'll be honest. Man, Um, you know, 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.880 being fans of y'all and being in the presence of y'all, 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.600 it's like it's like, yeah, everything that I expect y'all 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.640 to be. You know what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, y'all, 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:03.720 you smooth smooths walk head the drench col on when 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:05.880 you got the leavel just y'all just walk in and 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.440 y'all a definitely, I'll be ane something. You are the 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.040 iconic figure that I thought you was gonna be. Let's 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:17.440 make that. So I usually wait, it usually wait for 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.280 the for the to get into the drinks. But I'm 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:21.239 gonna get into the drink. Yeah, let's give me a 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.080 flower and the flowers. Let's listen. Our show is about 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:29.520 giving people um like again, I hate I hate our 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.000 people when it comes to this. When what I mean 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:35.160 by that is they put a time limit on on 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.360 you and they say, yo, man, if you got ten 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.920 twenty years and it's over and you should I don't. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.120 We don't believe in that. Here and here we believe 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.600 that that season. We believe that that is what time 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:50.680 with wine. Wine get better with time. So why why 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.520 wouldn't music, Why wouldn't people? Why wouldn't us don't sell 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.520 them in on an artistry? So where this show is 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.640 about giving people their flowers. We want to off top, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.320 give you all y'all flowers of top off top right 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:06.960 now top yes, yes, yeah, and we can't tell my 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:14.680 drake I want my yes, yes, this is yes, yes, yeah, 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:25.280 it's fantastic. Yeah, so let's I got so much notes, man, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.120 I went so hard for this, you want to start, 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.400 Let's just take it back. Let's as far as we 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:34.279 can go. Where's the inspiration for you guys? Actually thinking 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.799 about it, you guys, there weren't many family groups and bands. 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.680 You know, everybody thinks of the Jackson five, but you 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:46.520 predate them, right right. So was there any other inspirations 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.560 as as a family unit to make music? Well, we 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.400 you know what, we followed people like Clarde make Fatter, 0:04:54.160 --> 0:05:00.320 you know, and the day and uh, actually our my 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.440 mother and fathers was in the in the business, and 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.680 they were raised us to do what we do. And uh, 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:13.080 they wanted us to be a group that knew knew 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:20.200 all the songs, Warren By, gospel, country, Western, everything. They 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:24.359 taught us all that and they said for the group 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:28.279 to last as long as the meals of brothers. You know. 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:34.359 I think we accomplished, you know. And so our first 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.760 hit record was in eighteen fifty nine. You know, you 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:46.240 make me want to shout to this day. Of course. 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.240 Of course we've been charted all the way up to 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:56.000 right now, in eight decades our album right now, we 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.480 uh just been on the charts for five weeks it 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:04.000 was number one, and for thirty weeks has been in 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:08.679 the top ten. It was number six. Nowns with Beyonce, 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:13.040 goddamn us. And that's a record that Beyonce record. That's 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:15.880 a record that had already been sampled from y'all already too. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.520 That is UM I believe it's cross Roads from um 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.640 Bones and I believe that Street James Remix were not like, 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.960 so yeah, that's crazy. The third or fourth time in 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.200 Beyonce wants to come and sample. How is that? Her 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:32.040 mother knows UM contact. She's one of our favorite fans. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:36.520 You know, we had more samples than James Brown. Wow, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:41.440 and James Brown had a lot last last encounter, we 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.159 were over a thousand samples. Yes, with the rappers and 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.880 you know and which is which? Which is like we 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.520 were the flag right? So how was that? Getting a 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.440 call saying that Beyonce wanted to work with y'all and 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.239 especially well, like I called her mother and then said, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.400 you know, we getting ready to do this album. Wanted 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.000 her to do little you know, the record with us. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.120 Her mother called her and she in five minutes she 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.840 called back, yes, yes, yes, I want to do and 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.240 she had record at the record with the her group people, 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.600 but it was, you know, a different recording, and so 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:26.280 we decided on that record. Man. You know, she's so talented, man, 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:33.120 I mean, she's so talented. I think the people know that. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.480 They don't know that, but but she's so she worked 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.960 so hard man, and we just were blown away with 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:46.360 the record. Her mother cried about it. Her favorite song 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:53.040 is uh A little love of You, you know. And 0:07:53.160 --> 0:08:00.360 we did songs with Rick Cross recently, Yeah, don't you. 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:06.280 We did songs with Quevo, take Off, Wow, We did 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:12.680 songs with Shane by uh Snoop Dogg. You know, and 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.240 if you ain't did song with them, they sampled you 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:23.760 for sure. Yeah. I couldn't believe how sampled you. Guys 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.680 were like I knew it, but didn't when you know, 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.080 I'm doing the research. But let me ask you one 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.320 thing because at this time, you know, um hip hop 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.800 used to be considered a fad, right. It was like, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.040 you know, that's something that people are doing in the hood. 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.880 Did you was you Was it ever concerned of you saying, 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.400 you know what, someone taking my classic record of minds 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.120 is doing it over or um? Was it ever concerned 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.920 like them messing up the legacy of it. My brother 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:53.680 Ernie called me when the Biggie did uh, and we 0:08:54.280 --> 0:09:04.599 celebrated when the flipped out you know when you call me. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.720 We put a part of them in that show. Now 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.000 ice Cube, ice Cube is one of my best friends, 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.480 you know, wow, and where you're going too fast on 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.640 you can't be coming from ice Cube. The biggest smalls 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:20.559 we got at it is he was just saying it 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.520 like it's a regular note. This is not regular people. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.040 Hold on, okay, and he's not regular records too. These 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.800 records are huge. That's what's the crazy. We had George 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.840 Clinton on recently, right, and the difference that we noticed 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.199 was George have a lot of samples as well, but 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.920 it seems like the samples that sample, y'all, it's the 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:42.920 huge records. Yeah, like like huge, Like, um, so where 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.000 are you at? Because ice Cube coming comes way before Biggie? 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.160 So when is you you at? Where what is the record? Label? 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.880 Call you and say ice Cube just did your record over? Yeah? Okay, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.240 and what did they say? They say? Let's say, you know, 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.600 we wanted to listen, you know, so we listen to say, man, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.520 just this is incredible, right, because you guys haven't clear, right, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.800 So when the sign I want, I want to do 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.080 one of your songs and every picture that I made. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:15.480 That's what he's so, which is a blessing. Yeah, but uh, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.240 everybody is. I don't know how many samples in between 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:24.640 the sheets, right earned you keeps something with a lot 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.160 of that, you know, but that's that's that's the same 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.760 one biggie sample and I'm Drake also draking. Little Wayne 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.559 did a freestyle over it as well. Jay Z and 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:47.560 Whitney Houston. To Jesus, Jesus, I'll just be honest because 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:52.400 you know this, This is when I think of black excellence. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.880 When I think of excellence period, I think of you brothers, man, 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:01.360 I really do. Because like to stand the test of 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.280 time and to still be who you are, that's that's 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.880 a hard that's a hard thing to do. Wow, that's 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.600 a hard thing to do, man, to still have the respect. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.760 And let me tell you something. I can ask any 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.200 Jimmy generation about the Odsley's brothers and they all they're 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.520 all going to answer with the same amount of respect. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.440 Do you understand how much you would love to reved 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:26.480 in in the community. Wow? Wow, that's that's amazing, man. Okay, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.520 it's really amazing. We came at what people are like 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:33.520 Sam Cook, Jackie Wilson, you you name it, you know 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:38.240 they were. We learned things from Sam Cook, I learned 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.920 things from Jackie Wilson, clad Nick Fatter. I mean, you 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.000 can go all the way back and I can tell 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.320 you stories about all those guys. Man, right, you know, 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:53.760 Jimmy Henri lifted jersey right in Jersey. That's crazy. I 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.079 was trying to get to that in my notes. You 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.680 made this first record with us, you know, testify, and 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.360 we never thought I mean, we thought he was the 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.720 greatest guitar player in the world, but we never thought 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.439 that he would you know, become before he went, you 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:14.440 know to acid yeo. And my brother was like playing baseball. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.840 Then when you started playing with us, our players drums, 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:23.560 and he talked to Jimmy Hendricks every day, and all 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:29.480 of a sudden, Hey, he's the next Americs, you know, man, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:34.800 you know, all that's been wonderful. God blessed us. Man. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:39.640 Our father mother was concerned with us. She said, never 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:45.280 do drugs. No one in the family had did any drugs, 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.040 you know, And I think that's a big part of 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:51.920 us with asking this long, you know, but God had 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.880 his hands on us all the way. This is a 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.840 rumor that you was singing in church at two years old. Yes, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:07.439 I was, Well, you know about it all because I 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.240 remember reading this story, hearing this story, and I'm sitting 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.040 back and I had to think about my grandmother in church, 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.200 and my grandmother told me up there and be like, well, 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.840 I couldn't sing ship, so I ain't win l twenty 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.520 five dollars right, yeah, twenty five one one. I was 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.600 standing on a chair. So yeah, wow, that's great. Did 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.160 your your mom ain't do that? You ain't? You ain't? Yeah, 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.480 you sonny, Sonny, your mom wasn't proud of you like that. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.720 I'm just being honest. I'm sorry I took a shot 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.040 at my friend. It's just come all over the place. Man. Okay, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.000 mmm see that he already took my Jimmy jury questions. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.800 Talk about fight the power that that Chuck d was 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:50.360 inspired by You're power? Oh yeah, Ernie wrote that. Yeah. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.920 We uh had our family uh after we finished the 0:13:55.000 --> 0:14:01.800 Living Up album literally seventy four Uh, our mother, nieces 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:05.840 and nephews and the wives came out and I was 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:07.640 in a good mood and I jumped in the shower 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:13.320 and for some reason I started half singing or reciting. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:18.880 Time is truly wasting. There's no guarantee smiles in the making. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.320 Fight the powers that beat and so point this way, 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.080 shower curtain went that way. Water is everywhere, And I 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.160 jumped out the shower and grabbed a pencil, piece of paper, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.000 scribble that down and put that in my hip pocket. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.080 Of when we went to Disneyland that day. I didn't 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.160 say anything about that song for another two or three months, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.240 but telling me you wrote a hit record and then 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:54.560 went to Disneyland, Yeah, like the commercial. Yeah, okay, but 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.080 at the time Hernie started writing song I got Harvest 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:01.200 for the World and you at your best, um, and 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.360 make me say it again, the song I'm Not Now, 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.600 and on and on and on. You know, I wrote 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.240 a lot of songs at the beginning before he got 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.520 into the group, the ter thing and shout and all 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:16.040 that type, you know, work to do. Yeah, now this 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.320 is something that um that I got. I got explained 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.400 to the other day. Um. People said that, you know, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:25.119 people looked at the Beatles in a more of respect 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.760 way than they looked at Elvis, because they said Elvis 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.600 would like you know, like I don't want to say still, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.120 but he would take from people that wouldn't give it 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.040 the credit as opposed to the Beatles, but the Beatles 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:40.280 would your situation with the Beatles with shout was, how 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.560 was that experience? Well, when we went to England, they 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:51.720 were imitating us. They were like doing about the Beatles 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:56.240 or everybody was and they you know, Paul McCartney will 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.880 tell you today you know what to say if it 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.160 don't be for the Eyes brothers, and we would still 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.160 be in Liverpool, you know. Yeah, I'm assuming Liverpool is 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:11.560 the hood and ye and England. Yes, that's when he 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:17.120 started off clubs and stuff. They're in Liverpool, yell. But yeah, 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:22.680 that so all right? So they want to cover your song, right, yeah, 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:27.520 so at the time, I'm assuming there's not a lot 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.200 of videos. There's not so, but do you know the 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.200 Beatles as white people when they when it comes to 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:37.400 you when we were over there every day, the Rolling Stones, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.960 Beetles and us was together at night. They were talking 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.480 about staying at the house when they come to to 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:49.360 New York City. They were asking questions like does James 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.000 Brown had to have a hundred pair of shoes and 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.000 do we shine those shoes before we go on stage, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.840 because you guys were the rock starts to them. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.360 and uh, we said all those questions. You know, there 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.960 were plenty questions and game. We got a hunder passion. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.600 You call the shoes every day when you say, well, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.119 you care a lot of them. So those are the 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.560 kind of questions. They can we stay at your house 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.080 when we can with you guys carross to the Pole? 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:25.080 Did wow? We promised to do all that. It was 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:29.959 just the three brothers then. And uh, actually when they 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.320 when they came to New York, there were the hottest 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.640 you know, I think they first get it was at 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.520 Sullivan you know, on television. Fifty thousand people look reat them, 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:48.200 you know, wow, and so everything just went wild. Then, Yeah, 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.879 that's crazy. And when you guys were in London, didn't 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.240 Elton John play with you guys? Yeah, the Elton Johns 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.320 and I keep boarding player. That's incredible. Yeah, and and 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.840 and we're gonna do that in the in the next 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:04.040 album that we're doing it, we'll do a record together. Yeah. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.200 But he was his name Elton John back then. Elton 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.080 John told us, y'all should listen to something you should 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:15.480 vote on a hundred songs. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't listen 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.440 to because he was just a hired hand at the time, right, 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:24.040 but we were just without and uh what a week ago, Yeah, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.840 the Motown thing for Barry Gordian smoking, oh yeah, and 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:33.399 we talked about you know, and he's he's gonna do 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.679 a song with us and Mariah Carey and you know 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:43.920 all that. So Elton Is is just so talented man, 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.320 He's just great song writer and his tour has done uh, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.760 just tremendous, tremendous business. Right yeah, right now, now something 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.240 I was uh asking, This is something I question. I 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.840 actually don't know. Some people call motown and they when 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.560 they say motown, they say that label. But then some 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.399 people say motown and they say the style of music. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.320 How do you look when you hit the word motown. Well, 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.760 they're actually one of the greatest companies. We learned so 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.080 much when we went there. We went there out there, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:23.000 we had did Twisted, Shout and Shout and some other records, 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.520 and we had a pretty big name. And our first 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.159 record there was this so Heart of Mine. That's the 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.240 first release went out there. A week I called Berry 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:37.399 guarded up saying I'm coming. We're coming to send send 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:43.200 three tickets. We'll be out there and and he said, oh, okay, 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:48.360 you know I thought that's where it was done. Anyway, 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.399 we went out there and we heard, we heard with 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:55.199 the Holland Indulger and uh. One of the songs that 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.280 we did and we picked was this art of Mine 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.240 and it came out because we we're gonna be out 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:07.879 there playing some club. Anyway, they wanted to release a record, 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.919 you know, something new on us, and they put that 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.800 out hands a demo. We're not gonna just went about 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:19.399 number one record. Yeah, just so long and right. That 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.479 was the record they asked us to do at the 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:26.040 at the show. You know, so being number one at 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.960 that time, Um, all the time and travel and traveling 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.800 like was there toll buses? How was it? How? How 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.320 did your travel? Stevie wonder what was coming across the 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:42.280 street and then cars was going. We're talking about what 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:57.480 somebody had stories, stories, get crazy crazy. Shock said he 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.679 wanted the elevator with Stevie. He was just him Stevie. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.280 So you're telling me Stevie. One of course the street 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:10.399 by myself, man gonna get America. Did he know he 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.199 was crossing the free I didn't know. I don't know. 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:17.040 It was holy shit, I was you know, I was 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.800 trying to visit. No, no, no, none of that. No no, no, no, 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.600 no walking stick, none of that. He just wore, Holy man. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:31.399 Hold we're shining in the cab. We got in the cabin, 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.879 pulled up to the company and said, charge it to Motown. Wow, 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:43.560 that's it, we did, say, got on to me. You 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:53.080 told the cap changed to Motown from Marathon. We pulled 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.800 up in front of the company, said ya, I don't 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.960 know what the meter said, but he said, charge of 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:04.520 the motown. Wow. What was that? How powerful motile was that? 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:13.200 I don't know if they knew they were so oh, 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.520 let me ask you. Right, one thing is like, what's 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.679 happening at this time was segregation? Right? Well, one thing 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.000 I won't telling you. When I wrote the song it's 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:27.840 your thing. They very guardin't them sued us. That's the 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:31.840 first time they got sued. He sued us because they 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.679 thought that holland indulgence. Some of their writers said, bro, 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.080 you know, so we back and forth you know that 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:43.439 with the court, and we wind up winning. You know, 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:48.520 but that that was one of the the things that 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.480 really hurt us, you know, your own kind because yeah, 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:57.119 because he didn't believe or that song is super big, 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.639 like y'all couldn't have wrote it. Yeah, And from that 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:05.480 time on, you know, I guess we did every song 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.520 that you you hear, you know, the majority of songs 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:15.440 that you hear, and it's successful by the highest of brothers. Yeah, 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:28.200 h oh. Yes. We started Tea Neck Records with this 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:32.600 your thing, okay, Yeah, and you know we learned what 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:37.160 we were doing out there Motown and what they were doing. Uh, 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:41.199 that was it. You know, we figured, uh, that was 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.080 the way to go. And it turned out here we 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.240 could release what we wanted to release when we wanted 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.160 to release it. And then we then we started doing 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:53.439 our own tours. When indy that's a debate we have 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:58.159 here versus being independent. I mean Motown they were at 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.840 the time, you know they were, Yeah, it was an 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.199 indie that that had major But we talked about the 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:06.280 debate where there's major label versus independent. And I'm always 0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.040 saying independent owning your stuff, that's the way to go, 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:11.840 right versus the mayne give me the money. I don't 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:13.720 want to work that hard. You got the money, go 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:18.560 independent from Motown and you took what you learned and 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:21.159 you put it to work. That's correct. And the record 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:22.960 that we have about now on the album we haven't 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:28.280 out now it is independent. Wow. Um, this is just 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:30.280 something I was trying to say earlier because I think 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.760 I've seen footage of you guys at Sam Cook one day, 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.920 and I think that what they were saying was they 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:40.520 wouldn't let the brothers or the brothers and assistants on 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:42.120 one side of the club. So you and Sam Cook, 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:43.840 I think y'all got on the bus and then left. 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.239 Oh I don't know about that. I think that, but 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:52.119 that's happened with someone else, Okay, but Sam Cook, I 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:56.040 think that happened with Jackie Wilson, Okay, okay, on the 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.760 two together. Yeah. So so what how how hard was 0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:03.040 that back then because like, like you know, there was 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:10.480 a segregation, like how could you perform? You know, it 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:14.120 was very hard, but you know, ruarde young after age, 0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:17.800 we didn't really understand it. You know, we didn't understand 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:21.119 that somebody would kill you or somebody you know, you know, 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:28.560 we always start run. You know, how old were you guys? 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:34.600 Exactly around I was abound eighteen, you know, kids yeah, yeah, 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:39.040 damn man, seventeen eighteen on the road. And that had 0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:42.159 to be like a crazy because all the times that 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:45.040 black people were going through, and then people taking political 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:47.560 stances like Muhammad Ali and things like that, and then 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:49.920 and then Sam Cook and then like all these people 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:54.240 like I just always you know, it was crazy back then. 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:57.240 We didn't have television to get out of our message 0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:00.200 or Sam Cook, you stopped them. It's like, give me 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.040 your ticket, don't you know? Wow, If you don't gonna 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:07.040 give me a ticket, put the chicken on. You know, 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:14.359 I'm saying Cook I said, was saying, yeah, he cleared, 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:16.960 he cleared. Woman. Oh my god, man, I'm so excited. 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:21.000 Wasn't taking anything off anyone. So that's probably one of 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:27.639 you know, wow. But after you guys decided to go independent, 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:31.800 you did go with major neighbors later on, Yeah, what 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:35.439 what what was those distributions for distributions so still owning 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.199 taking advantage of the machine at that point. That's all right, right, right, 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:42.000 that's all right because there were so many cases of 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:45.520 like people being taking an advantage of and and that time, 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:48.280 was that something you guys ever experienced? Yeah, well, you know, 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:56.160 I think Philadelphia International was was going then and then 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:59.520 later on Curtis Mayfield and this company out of Chicago. 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:05.280 It's going then movetown and our company, you know, and 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:11.080 Stacks came a little later. Now, let's let's address this. 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:15.080 This is yours, right, Yeah, what is this? Sexy ass bottle? 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:19.840 Kanac thirty five years old? Thirty five year old? Hun yeah, 0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:26.040 got them look at that. This is a sexy ass bottle? Old, okay, 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.520 baron select, Yeah, we're messing with that for a little 0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:35.439 while out sometimes this year. Look, that's a sexy as bottle. 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.200