1 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: You are entering the freedom hunt. Facebook CEO is down 2 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill answering questions from senators who don't seem 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: to understand how a social media network works. Also fallout 4 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: from the seizure of Trump lawyer Cohen's records. We'll get 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: into that, plus an update on our possible serial response 6 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: and the caravan heading for the US Mexico border. That 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: a more coming up. This is The Buck Sexton Show, 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: where the mission or mission is to decode what really 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: matters with actionable intelligence. Make no mistake American. Ready, you're 10 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: a great American Again? The Buck Sexton Show begins. No, 11 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Buck Sexton Show. Everybody. Great to have 12 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: you here with me. Always a privilege and a pleasure. 13 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of stuff to talk about today, 14 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: oh my, So let's start with like I said, Like 15 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: I just said, we got Facebook, We've got the Cohen 16 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: lawyer record seizure fallout. Our friend Andie McCarthy, the one 17 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: and only. He'll be joining us right in the middle 18 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: of the show, talk about He's a former Southern District 19 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: of New York assistant US attorney who is going to 20 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: be talking to us about what the heck did the 21 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Southern District of New York do yesterday, So he's as 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: good a guys are gonna find a talk about that. Um, 23 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: we'll get into all the latest and then also later 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,759 Speaker 1: on the show, they're attacking a part of my youth, 25 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. We'll discuss that the social justice warriors 26 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: are going after it, and also a firm of action 27 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: Harvard and Asian Americans. That'll be a topic you want 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: to stay around for. So I'm I take a very 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: different point. Producer Mike agrees with me on this one. 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume Brandon agrees to be on this one 31 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: just because they didn't ask him. So I'm gonna say 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: the tide goes to the buck, Thank you, Brandon. But 33 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: I think this whole Facebook thing is a social media 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: show trial. I really do. I'm I'm absolutely convinced that 35 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: if Trump had not won the election, nobody would care. 36 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: You would not have heard anything about Cambridge Analytica. Do 37 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: not be hearing about the threat that social media platforms 38 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: like Facebook pose for our democracy. And I think people 39 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: are getting lost in all the all the little side 40 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: stories and and side shows here with what's happening. Instead 41 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: of keeping an eye and the fact that this is 42 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: just more liberal outrage Catharsis over Hillary's loss. Why the 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: heck is the CEO of Facebook showing up to explain 44 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: to members of the Senate how Facebook works, what it's 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: background is. You know, don't they have Google? I mean, 46 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: can't they figure this stuff out? It was incredible. If 47 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: you saw some of the hearing, there was a lot 48 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: of like show like Sean town I made that the 49 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: people put the photos and they can send the messages 50 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: to the friends. What is this with the the digital 51 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: photo and the face But there's no book, so it's 52 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: really lots of different screens, not pages. I mean, these 53 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: people in the Senate, they're representing you and me, my friends. 54 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: They are not exactly sharp when it comes to the 55 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: digital world. I gotta say it was pretty There was 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: a lot of whoa, I thought you guys were up. 57 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: These are the people who are writing like cybersecurity laws. 58 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: By the way, just remember that these are the people 59 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: that are supposed to be protecting us from the best 60 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: of the best hackers that China and Russia and you know, 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: Iran and others can throw North Korea can throw our way. 62 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: So you're telling me the photos are posted by the users, 63 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: or where do we get these photos? Is there? Do 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: we do? We call the d m V on a 65 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: rotary phone. They have no idea what is going on, 66 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: but they know that this is a moment to make 67 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of speeches. And they also know that 68 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: this is a story that has a much greater residence 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: with particularly the media, but the public at large then 70 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: it would otherwise, because this is called this is holding 71 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: something to account for Hillary's loss other than Hillary. And 72 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: I can't help but go down the list. Okay, so 73 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: we've had Hillary loss, but because Comey. Remember that Comey 74 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: came out and said that we found more emails right 75 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: before the Life. Hillary lost because Comy. Hillary lost because sexism. 76 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: That's been a fun one. Hillary lost because Russia ran 77 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: some incredible international scheme of subversion and mind manipulation. Uh 78 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: and now Hillary lost because Russia did that. But also Facebook, 79 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: Facebook should have done more. In fact that the ceo himself, 80 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: I was out there talking about Mark Zuckerberg, who is 81 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: my contemporary, unfortunately worth quite a bit more than me, 82 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: got quite a bit of a bigger bank roll, which 83 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: makes me sad. But nonetheless he he said that he 84 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: was there, and then he was being held accountable himself personally. 85 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: It's clear now that we didn't do enough to prevent 86 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: these tools from being used for harm as well, and 87 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: that goes for fake news, for foreign interference and elections 88 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: and hate speech, as well as developers and data privacy. 89 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: We didn't take a broad enough view of our responsibility 90 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 1: and that was a big mistake, and it was my mistake, 91 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. I started Facebook, I run it, and 92 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm responsible for what happens here. Now we have to 93 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: go through are all of our relationship with people and 94 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: make sure that we're taking a broad enough view of 95 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: our responsibility. It's not enough to just connect people. We 96 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: have to make sure that those connections are positive. It's 97 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: not enough to just give people a voice. We need 98 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: to make sure that people aren't using it to harm 99 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: other people or to spread misinformation. And it's not enough 100 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: to just give people control over their information. We need 101 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: to make sure that the developers they share it with 102 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: protect their information too. Now, put aside for a moment 103 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: that this guy who I feel like definitely got his 104 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: fair share of wedgies back in the day, Do you 105 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: remember that that was a thing we're gonna talk about 106 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: eighties movies later. Well, what's what do you call it? 107 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: When somebody takes that, puts them in the headlock and 108 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: and you know, like thank you a noogie? And wedgies? 109 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: Remember those that kind of no one ever talks about. 110 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: I think right now you'd probably get you know, be 111 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: it's some sort of code violation in schools or something. 112 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: I allowed to do that anymore. Forget about code red. 113 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: You're not even allowed to give people a wedgie anymore. 114 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: You're gonna get in, You're gonna get locked up. But anyway, 115 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: a guy who he's kind of the quintessential super nerd, 116 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: as in, he's a nerd who now is like a 117 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: country unto himself, who's worth like eighty billion dollars or 118 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: something for Africa, whatever it is on paper, it's tens 119 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: it's tens of billions of dollars. But let's just put 120 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: aside all that. Let's put aside all the razzle dazzle 121 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: for a second. The fact that he didn't wear his hoodie. 122 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: He wore a suit and tie like a respectable gentleman. 123 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: Why is he doing this? Why is you know, let's 124 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: look at the why for a moment. Lets let's take 125 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: a step back, because this was the biggest story on 126 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill today. You know that it's this and it's 127 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: the coin aftermath. Those are the two things that we'll 128 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: dig into, both of those in a way you haven't 129 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: heard anywhere else, and that will be I promise you 130 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: it'll be worth your time today. Let's start with the why, 131 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: ask why? Um The Democrats as I as I was 132 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: mentioning before, they wanted take this story and run with 133 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: it because even without having to explicitly remind the viewer 134 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: all the time about this, it's all about Hillary loss 135 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: because of and you know, fill in the blank. Now, 136 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: it's not so much that they love Hillary, as is 137 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: that they want an excuse for why they're apparatus was 138 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: unable to get someone elected against Trump, who they clearly 139 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: think is some kind of you know, evil monster from 140 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: the deep. And then there's also Trump is illegitimate, right, 141 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: anything that helped Trump win that was outside the boundaries 142 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: of fair play. Further is the notion among the left 143 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: and among Democrats that Trump is not really the president, 144 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: which is what at the end of the day, Democrats belief, 145 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: not my president. I remember the marches here in New York, 146 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: not my president and not my you know, their march 147 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: on the streets. And I was like, actually, actually, as 148 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: your president, you might not like him. He's the president. 149 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: Barack Obama was my president for eight years. Wasn't my choice, 150 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: but he was my president. It's called reality. I like 151 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: to live in it, right, not my president. I remember 152 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: all the marches. So now we look at this, we say, Okay, 153 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: we know why the Democrats like this story, and I 154 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: mean the Democrat politicians and also the general media apparatus. 155 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: But I just want to focus for for a moment 156 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: here on because because Facebook is incredibly powerful. Look, I 157 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: use Facebook every day. People are all people. Entire business 158 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: huge businesses are built around using Facebook as a platform. 159 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: It is a company that in many ways has more 160 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: power over other companies than anything else on the planet, 161 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: with the exceptions of Google and Amazon, which are probably 162 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: right up there too. And you can make arguments as 163 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: to which one has the most. I mean, the power 164 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: of life and death over huge companies is in the 165 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 1: hands of these other companies like Amazon and Facebook and 166 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: Google not so much. Twitter. Twitter is kind of the 167 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: runt of the litter with this stuff. Twitter is like, 168 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: for news people to spout off and and you know, 169 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: compare who can be the wittiest or the nastiest depending 170 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: on how you how you catch somebody on any given day. 171 00:09:55,240 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: Why is Zuckerberg showing up in the horse hair? So 172 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: to speak? How many people even catch that reference? They 173 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: don't teach kids anything in school anymore? Why is is 174 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: Zuckerberg showing up and doing this whole maya culpa I 175 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: always loved by. I've caught a couple of eggers that 176 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: are like showing up for an apologia. I'm like, no, 177 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: APOLOGI is not actually a a an apology. It's a 178 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: defense of something. So he's apologizing. He's not doing an apologia. 179 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't teach kids anything in school anymore. 180 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: But it doesn't make any sense. Really, you don't after 181 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't really have to do this. Why 182 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: is he doing it? Why? Why? Why? And when you 183 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: look at the why, you understand that, first of all, 184 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: he's not taking any Always be skeptical of someone who's 185 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: saying I take all the blame when they face no consequences. Right, 186 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: it reminds me of who I forget that, Like the 187 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: counter terrorisms are pre nine eleven I went around in 188 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: this whole thing about how you know he was the 189 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: first one that took blame for the US government. But 190 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean he didn't actually take any blame. No one 191 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: really blame him for anything. It was just a way 192 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: of grand standing, right, Oh, I take all the blame 193 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: for the failure of nine eleven on my shoulders. Now 194 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: you don't, dude, You're just grandstanding. Taking the blame is 195 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: like I resign my commission. I no longer have a paycheck, 196 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: and like, I know there's consequences here that's taken the blame. 197 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: Taking the blame is not when you're out of government, like, oh, 198 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: I could have done more. It's like the equivalent of 199 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: somebody who's like, oh, my biggest weakness is there in 200 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: that job interview. My biggest weaknesses, you know what they are, Brandon, 201 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: I take too much of a load on my shoulders. 202 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: I shared the credit far too much. I've I've really 203 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: got problems. My work ethic is just crazy. I got problems, right, 204 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: Look at this, Mark, Mark Zucker, Oh, we should have 205 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: done more to police content. We should have done more. 206 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: We should have done more. A couple of things pushing 207 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: this one. This is what is demanded of him. Even 208 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: someone like Mark Zuckerberg, who could retire to his private 209 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: island and go inside the volcano layer and just work 210 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: on like cybernetics for the future that will keep him 211 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: living for the next ten thousand years, he could do that. 212 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: He's got that kind of cash. Goals, by the way, 213 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: goals hashtag goals. Um. But he also wants to be 214 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: liked by the people that are outraged by the fact 215 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton lost, and those people demand some kind 216 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: of of sacrifice. Right those people are demanding Wait a second, 217 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: Facebook was a problem here. Facebook is supposed Facebook was 218 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: supposed to be on their side. There's a particular resentment 219 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: among the Democrat media, among the American left for a 220 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: Silicon Valley platform, which they really take on as their 221 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: own in their eyes, having been used in any way 222 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: to bring about not just a Republican presidency, but the 223 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: Trump presidency. They they want there to be retribution for this, 224 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: and they want someone to make a public show of it. 225 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: So that's one phase of this. But there's also some 226 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: other stuff. Why zuckerberr. Why is Zuckerberg saying this right now? Um? 227 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: What is the purpose for Facebook? What is the purpose 228 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: for the left, What does this mean about the way 229 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: we get information going forward? About censorship of a a possible 230 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: monopoly and the breakdown of these companies by government decision 231 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: in the future if and when they don't submit themselves 232 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: to regulations. The anti competitive aspect of a company like 233 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: Facebook calling for regulations. Oh, there's actually a lot going 234 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: on here that affects That affects a company that, as 235 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: you know, is one of the is changing the way 236 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: we interact with not just each other, but the way 237 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: we interact with everything on a day to day basis, 238 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: including national political conversation. I mean, you can't even have 239 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: a discussion now about a media outlet without well, what's 240 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: our Facebook strategy? So but I will break down all 241 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: these different layers and levels about why this matters not 242 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: just a Facebook, but to all of us. But I'm 243 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: gonna need a little mo thomas ours, So stay with 244 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: me and I'll be right back. I don't think you 245 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: have a monopoly. It certainly doesn't feel like that to me. Okay, 246 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: So one way to regulate a companies through competition through 247 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: government regulation, given what's happened here, while we should let 248 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: your self regulate, well, Senator, my position is not that 249 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: there should be no regulation. I think the Internet is increasing. 250 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: I think the real question as the Internet becomes more 251 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: important in people's lives is what is the right regulation, 252 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: not whether there should be. You, as a company, welcome regulation. 253 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: I think if it's the right regulation, then you think, 254 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: look at that, a company that basically begging for the 255 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: Congress to rights and regulations for them. I mean he's 256 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: not actually begging, but he's he's keeping that door wide open. Yes, 257 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: the right regulation. Sure, and you let us see really 258 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: quickly pivot away from the whole notion of a monopoly 259 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: and anti competitive practices. Isn't it fascinating, my friends, that 260 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: right now you've had this media outrage, I mean, hair 261 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: on fire. Oh my gosh, there are coming for us 262 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: about a possible merger between Tribune and Sinclair because of 263 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: all the oh my gosh, it's gonna have the stranglehold 264 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: on local local news media. And there are people that 265 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: are trying to oppose that based on the based on 266 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: the possibility of oh my gosh, a a right of 267 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: center viewpoint having more than one national level TV outlet? 268 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: What a what a what a crazy mad Max world 269 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: that would be um Meanwhile, Facebook does not have any 270 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: real competition. To say it does is not true. And 271 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: yet you're not hear anybody say we should break up 272 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: Facebook if they're looking. And there's a whole other discussion 273 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: we how to here abou whether monopoly is even possible 274 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: in the absence of government regulation. There people say, really, 275 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: the only way monopoly is possible if the government enforces 276 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: a monopoly, and that's a there's a whole other discussion 277 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: here that eventually there's always a way within the market too. 278 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: No one can actually corner the market unless the government 279 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: is complicit in that. And that's what I think Facebook 280 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: wants to do because the company doesn't have any competition. 281 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: And whether you think companies should be broken up or 282 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: not based on size, importance and reach in a certain sector. 283 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: If there is such a thing as a company that 284 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: you know is too big, you know, too big to 285 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: stand forget too big to fail, I think Facebook falls 286 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: into the category. So they're trying to get ahead of 287 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: this year by one creating a sense of political goodwill 288 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: among Democrats and the Congress that you know that they're 289 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: trying to build political capital here. Yes, yes, we're sorry 290 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: about the Russia stuff. Oh yes, we're so so sorry 291 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: about that. I mean I was picturing, like, does Mark 292 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: Zuckerberg pull a Scrooge McDuck and go back to a 293 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: giant vault just full of gold coins and just swimming 294 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: them great cartoon ducktails was awesome. So and I don't know, 295 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: but I mean he actually could if you wanted to. 296 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: That's a whole separate discussion. The point here is just 297 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: they're trying to get ahead of the possible breakup of 298 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: Facebook under monopoly concerns and regulation, as you know, is 299 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: inherently anti competitive. Because the regulatory caught the burden of regulation, 300 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: he is much heavier on smaller and emerging companies. So 301 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: you see what Mark Zuckerberg is doing here is actually 302 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: I give him credit. And the guy, you know, depending 303 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: especially on whose version you believe, he's he's willing to uh, 304 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: he's willing to shank people as they say whatn't necessary. 305 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: He's willing to take people out of the corporate, corporate, 306 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: competitive world around him. That's how he ended up being CEO. 307 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: So but the the guy understands and I'm sure all 308 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: of his advisers and his he's got the highest priced 309 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: lawyers than legal advice on the planet understands that he 310 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: goes there, he does a whole maya culpa thing, he 311 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: gets some some uh supportive press, and he goes before 312 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: the Congress, and it's basically saying, yeah, I regulators because 313 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: once the once the government starts regulating them one, if 314 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: you're if you're already regulating them, it's a lot harder 315 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: to get the whole momentum going to actually break up 316 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: a company. Right, you can say, no, they're all they're 317 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: all banging the regulation and they're playing ball with what 318 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, the federal government demands of them. And then 319 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: also if they weren't a monopoly before, they're gonna be 320 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: one now because with the regulatory with the regulatory costs 321 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: of say having to monitor and edit and censor content alone, 322 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: that's gonna be an enormous burden, enormous challenge going forward. 323 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: And that's just the one other piece of this discussion 324 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: I want to have you before we move on to 325 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: Cohen lawyer seizure of records and also serio response is 326 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: he's holding the line for America. Buck Sexton is back. Well, 327 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: Mr Zuckerberger, I will say there are a great many 328 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: Americans who I think are deeply concerned that that Facebook 329 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: and other tech companies are engaged in a pervasive pattern 330 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: of bias and political censorship. There have been numerous instances 331 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: with Facebook. In May of sixteen, Gizmodo reported that Facebook 332 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 1: had purposely and routinely suppressed conservative stories from trending news, 333 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: including stories about cepac, including stories about Mitt Romney, including 334 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: stories about the lowest learner i r S scandal, including 335 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: stories about Glenn Beck. In addition to that, Facebook has 336 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: initially shut down the Chick fil A Appreciation Day page, 337 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: has blocked a post of Fox News Reporter, has blocked 338 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: over two dozen Catholic pages, and most recently blocked Trump 339 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: supporters Diamond and Silks page with one point two million 340 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: Facebook followers after determining their content and brand were quote 341 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: unsafe to the community. To a great many Americans, that 342 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: appears to be a pervasive pattern of political bias. Ted Cruise, 343 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: taking the CEO of Facebook to task on the issue 344 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: of censorship. Which is what I was trying The word 345 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: I was trying to get out before I was so 346 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: rudely cut off by the hard break that is built 347 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: into our system here of the radio show. Um. Sometimes 348 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: I think that's the first that that's happened in a a 349 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: while where I was just so next I'm gonna tell you, oh, 350 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: and we're out of time. But censorship is the big 351 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: issue and the content management component of what's going on 352 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: with Facebook. This is huge. This this goes towards the 353 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: way that you're gonna be getting information, uh, in the 354 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: years to come, for decades to come. Is it a 355 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: platform or a publisher? The question we need to ask 356 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: about Facebook right Is Facebook in any way endorsing or 357 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: verifying the information that's put up by individuals? Are they 358 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: going to separate out what is considered a news or 359 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: a pub is shing u story from what it's just 360 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: somebody saying stuff on their own page. I mean, how 361 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: are they going to break this down? That's a huge 362 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: set of problems they're taking on here, and they're doing 363 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: it in part in response not to the censorship concerned 364 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: the politicization concerns of conservatives, but because of the Russia 365 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: Facebook stock puppet account fiasco right with the election. If 366 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: Hillary hadn't lost the election, none of these discussions would 367 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: be happening right now. Just remember that that conservatives have 368 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: been saying for a while now, for years Hey, why 369 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: is it that this person's content seems to get shared 370 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: a lot more than mine and I actually have a 371 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: much bigger following and much more engaged audience. Why am 372 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: I banned or even shadow band as a conservative when, 373 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: as we know, that doesn't happen either side, And I 374 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: just would would note that on the on the censorship concern. 375 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: If this weren't just happy to conservatives, I'm pretty sure 376 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: we would hear about some very upset liberals, some some progressives, 377 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: and some left wing news sites that would be raising 378 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: these problems and concerns. But we don't. We only hear 379 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: about it really from right wing conservative sites. Do we 380 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: think right wing is pejorative? I was thinking about that today. 381 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody. We're describing a project we're 382 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: working on. We're trying to come up with different taglines, 383 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: and said, well, right, I think right wing has become 384 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: it's it's not in vogue right now. But I feel 385 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: like right wings should be fine to say we see it. 386 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: I say left wing, all that was wrong with the 387 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: right wing? All right wing? I don't know. I like, 388 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't like to let the other side manage the 389 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: terms of debating discussions. So I say things like right wing. Alright, So, 390 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: but back to what's going on with Facebook here. Uh, 391 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: they clearly have been playing games with this. There's no 392 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: question in my mind that the people writing the algorithms 393 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: and and you see this even with some of the 394 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: open policies about well what's uh, you know, anything that 395 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: links to a site that sells guns or anything that 396 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: you know. They they have taken political stands openly in 397 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: the past, but I think there's a much more pernicious 398 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: and a much more problematic practice of using the algorithm 399 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: to shape discussion for political ends that's gonna benefit liberals 400 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: at the expense of conservatives. That's what I think. I 401 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: have spoken to people who say it's happen to them. 402 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: I believe them. Uh. And there have been too many 403 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: cases that have been publicized, and they all point the 404 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: same direction. And the direction is that liberals view Facebook 405 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: as a platform that they can and should dominate the 406 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: same way they do Snapchat and Twitter and other other 407 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: social media spaces. And they're getting help. And now, once 408 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: you start putting out there that Zuckerberg and his team 409 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: at Facebook are supposed to be monitoring the intent, you 410 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: were really asking them and Congress, I think is asking 411 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: them to take an active hand in the curation of 412 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: what you're seeing every day. And it's not just going 413 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: to be set by some neutral algorithm that's like you 414 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: like this will show you that you like you like 415 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: Republican stuff, We're gonna show you things associated with with 416 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. That's what we've all been led to 417 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: believe is going on with this. But I think there's 418 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: it's many layers more complicated than that. You know, let's 419 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: understand if Russians, if we're supposed to believe that a 420 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: bunch of Russians operating in some office space in in St. Petersburg, 421 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: we're able to in any way influence the election using Facebook. 422 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: Just think what the people running Facebook can do. And 423 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: keep in mind when I say can do, I really 424 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: mean it as in not just the technical capability, but 425 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: they're allowed to. It is a private service. They set 426 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: their own turn of service. Nobody reads them. I mean, 427 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: you could be giving away your first born to them 428 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: every time you click on the terms of service. But 429 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: we were all just like Gerbils that want to hit 430 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: that little lever and get the little little treat, you know, 431 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: hit hit the pedal, hit the lever, Yeah, terms of service, 432 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: sure or whatever. I mean, it's like on my iPhone 433 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: every time they change the terms of service, it could 434 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: say you need to walk around in a chicken suit 435 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: and tell everybody that you are the worst for the 436 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: next week, and I would click yes, because I didn't 437 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: read it. I'm just clicking whatever they wanted the terms 438 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: of service. So this is something we need to watch. 439 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: This is something that will be increasingly important going forward. 440 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: And I don't know if the answer is to form 441 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: a more conservative friendly platform or just to try and 442 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: and fight for a fair shake on this one, because 443 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: people say, well another social media network, all right, Well 444 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: what's gonna have? Facebook has a two billion person head 445 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: start folks who wants to try to play the game 446 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: of catching up to them. I mean, somebody will eventually, 447 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: but I think we're a long way away from that. 448 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: And in the meantime, they have so much influence on 449 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: what we were thinking and what we were seeing. Keep 450 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: in mind, it's not just and this is no knowing 451 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: a matter from the publishing standpoint and how it works 452 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: with companies and businesses. I mean, I know I have 453 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: friends who are building whole businesses just on using Facebook 454 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: to sell their products. That's how they target but that's 455 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: how they find them. It's competing with the old advertising model, 456 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: right so, and it's really taking over advertising. But you 457 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: also have to keep in mind that the way that 458 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: Facebook chooses to police content on the side also it's 459 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: it's not just like, oh, i'm you know, I'm buck, 460 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm posting things and I want my friend Bob to 461 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: see my thoughts here. The sites that do well on 462 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: the Facebook platform monetize better, and so the Facebook can 463 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: decide that you're going to see a lot of stuff 464 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: from BuzzFeed, for example, And also BuzzFeed will be able 465 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: to monetize its content much better via face this book. 466 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: Then say a conservative contender could then you know, right 467 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: wing crazies dot com, could you know whatever? And you'll 468 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: never know about that. You just won't see their content. 469 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: You'll see BuzzFeed content in your feed. So this is 470 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: getting into the tech realm. And I think ultimately that 471 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: those are the important takeaways from all this. And also 472 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: this is a big social media show trial. Yeah, you're 473 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: giving away your data to them. You should already know that. 474 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: We should all know that, we should be aware any 475 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: safeguards that they put in place are not for are 476 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: not really for your benefit. Okay, they're they're gonna monetize, 477 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna find it what to use the data you 478 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: give them and all this, Oh my gosh, do you 479 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: realize what Cambridge Analytic was doing. It's just another version 480 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: of oh why did Hillary lose? So that's that's Those 481 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: are my thoughts on Facebook. You got anything else you 482 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: want to add into the mix, though, You've got some 483 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: spice that you want to throw into the cauldron. Eight 484 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: four four eight five eight four four nine Buck producer 485 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: Mike loves getting phone calls. It is true. He will 486 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: chat with you and chat with you, and you know 487 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: he likes when you call and you have limericks to 488 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: share if you have, if you have a high coup 489 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: in mind, he will listen to it. So light up 490 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: that I know he's looking at me. I'm gonna get 491 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a code read later. But light up 492 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: that board and well we're gonna come back. We'll talk 493 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: about the Cohen fallout obviously, and then also just some 494 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: follow up on what's gonna happen I think with Syria 495 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of other stuff. Stay with me. 496 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: They were that back in with Obama eliminated, they're declared No, 497 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: it's a very very loyally insertion of a word. They're 498 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: declared chemical weapons program. Well, it's a good thing that 499 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: work was in there, because they clearly did not eliminate 500 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: serious chemical weapons program, because they are still using it 501 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: to kill men, women and children. So now we look 502 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: to what we should do about it. If anything, it 503 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: seems to me that there's something of a bipartisan consensus 504 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: right now that we have to act in response to 505 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: this attack in Syrias I was saying to you yesterday. Um, 506 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: keep in mind a half million people have been killed 507 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: in this civil war in ways that are brutal, beyond 508 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: beyond comprehension. I mean, just all kinds of terrible things 509 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: have been happening in this country for years and years, 510 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: and we have this line that we draw on the 511 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: sand on the usage of chemical weapons. And I understand 512 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: there's a good reason for that online, Um, but we 513 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: should all be very clear that our response to this attack. 514 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: If Trump and I'm seeing now Macrawn and and and 515 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: on others are united in this notion, you know, we 516 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: have to do something about this in response to Assad's 517 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: chemic weapons attack east of Damascus in Syria. We should 518 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: all understand that it is a gesture. It is not 519 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: going to change any tactical reality. It's not going to 520 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: change to anything going on in this battlefield space. They 521 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: can still drop barrel bombs which are just basically crude 522 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: i e. D. S dropped from the sky from helicopters 523 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: in particular, uh, packed with shrapnel, massive explosion, kill as 524 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: many people as possible. Um, that's what they've been doing 525 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: for years. So they're they're still gonna be slaughtering civilians. This. 526 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: We're not saying stop killing innocent people, or we're gonna 527 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: keep hitting you. We're saying, don't use come with the weapons. 528 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: And you you take this too, you know, you take 529 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: this to the level of Okay, well, what are we 530 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: really saying. And what we're saying is we're not gonna 531 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: do anything about the murderer of innocent civilians by the 532 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: Assad regime in Syria unless it's with chemical weapons. That's 533 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: what we're saying. I just think we should all be 534 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: quite clear on that. Um. You don't usually hear it 535 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: put in those terms, but that is that is the truth. 536 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: That is the reality as to what it will do. UM. 537 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: As I mentioned to you yesterday, the airfields when we 538 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: hit them the last time, almost exactly a year ago. 539 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: By the way, it's feeling very cyclical. Um when we 540 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: hit them a year ago, the airfields are back up 541 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: and running quite soon after. It was a a pin 542 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: prick strike you could say, didn't do didn't do anything 543 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: to change anything, just showed, okay, we'll enforce this red line. 544 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that has no merit. I'm not 545 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: saying forget about that, because it was certainly critical of 546 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: the Obama aministration for refusing to enforce the red years ago. 547 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: But keep in mind that might have been able to 548 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: actually change some of the realities we've seen play out 549 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: in Syria once the Red Line was not in force. 550 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: So then it was just open season for USAW to 551 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: do whatever the heck you wanted. And the Iranians were 552 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: in there and the Russians, and it was I mean, 553 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: the Russians just had a campaign of extermination going on 554 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: in Aleppo against civilians. People forget about this now, I didn't. 555 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: People weren't paying attention to it. You will also know 556 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: that there was not much interest in the media in 557 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: showing the true level of suffering of the Syrian people 558 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: because Obama was in office and we were told, you know, 559 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: we that that he would not allow these things to happen. 560 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: Obama's chief national security advisors on a number of issues, 561 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: we're we're actually people who built their whole career, Susan 562 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: Rice and Samantha Power built their whole careers on our 563 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: two p which is the responsibility to protect. And this 564 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: is these are people that you know, they got all 565 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: the way up to National Security Advisor and US Ambassador 566 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: United Nations and well, no, no duty to protecting Syria 567 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: under Obama. We were like, well, I mean, that's really messy. 568 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: We're not gonna do anything there, And they didn't want 569 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: that to become a focus of the narrative of the 570 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: media attention on the subject. So there just wasn't as 571 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: much of a of an interest in Syria as there 572 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 1: would have been if there's a Republican president with all 573 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: the things happening that did. But now we also get 574 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: into the unintended consequence aside of this, because it's different 575 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: to have US troops in Syria as we do and 576 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: a a ground force presence and also allies that are 577 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: embedded and co located with the U S troops on 578 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: the ground in Syria. It's different to hit Assad now 579 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: than it would have been before, and the Russians, i think, 580 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: feel like it's different too. Keep in mind, we've been 581 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: ratcheting up because the media is saying, oh, you're a 582 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: pudent puppet. You know, we've been ratcheting up pressure against 583 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: Russia for a while now. We have given lethal aid 584 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: to the Ukrainian government to use against Russian backed separatists 585 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: in eastern Ukraine. We've been piling on the sanctions, including 586 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: sanctions against oligarchs, very powerful Russians in Putin's immediate orbit, 587 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: so that that stuff is rattling their cage, that's annoying them. 588 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: That's not nothing. And now on top of that, we 589 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: may and oh and by the way, there was about 590 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: a month ago reports that we killed about a hundred 591 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: Russians on the ground in Syria, but it was an 592 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: accident and they weren't Russian soldiers, so that we just 593 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: all agreed to pretend that nobody really knew. Nobody really 594 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: knows what happened here, and the reports were that it 595 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: was a hunter I've read a dozen that was a hundred, 596 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: and it was a lot. Russian paramilitaries made a move 597 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: on Kurdish US background forces, and those Kurdish forces called 598 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: in US air strikes and just annihilated those Russian paramilitaries. 599 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: That also ratchets up tensions. Right, these are things that 600 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: we we got to remember. That's what's been happening. So 601 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: people say take it to Assad game, but it's not 602 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: the same situation now that it was a year ago. 603 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: The battlefield realities have changed, the situation on the ground 604 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: has changed. I'm seeing these reports about how Russia is 605 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: jamming jamming US drones over Syria, and let's put out 606 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: there the possibility that maybe Russia decides to interfere in 607 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: some way with any US strike. I mean, what with 608 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: Could the Russians try using the air defense systems that 609 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: they've put in Syria to blunt to to counteract US missiles. 610 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: Are they able to do it? Well, you know, we 611 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: have to see, but would they try? Are are they 612 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: now going to take the position that anything against the 613 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: Assad regime is an attack on them? They'll respond and 614 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: they'll respond in kind, at least to the immediate threat. Uh, 615 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: we really don't want to wake up in a world 616 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: where we have to deal where the where the president 617 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: has to sit down with Madis and and the re 618 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: to his team and figure out what the proper response 619 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,760 Speaker 1: to a Russian you know whatever, fourth generation fighter plane 620 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: shooting down one of ours, What that feels like, what 621 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: that looks like. So I know right now it seems 622 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: like that there gathering for a response. I hope that 623 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: they measure this response out very carefully. 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He's 642 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: back with you now, because when it comes to the 643 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: fight for truth, the fuck never stops. To's frankly a 644 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: real disgrace and saying an attack on our country in 645 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: a true sense, these people have the biggest conflicts of 646 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: interest I've ever seen Democrats all or just about all. 647 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: They're not looking at the Hillary Clinton horrible things that 648 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: you did and all of the crimes that were committed. 649 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: They only keep looking at it us so they find 650 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: no collusion. And then they go from there and they say, well, 651 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: let's keep going, and they raid an office of a 652 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: personal attorney early in the morning, and I think it's 653 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: a disgrace. You know, going after someone's personal attorney is uh, 654 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: you know, a great overstep I think in the authority 655 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: of the prosecutor. And this is why I have opposed 656 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: really having special prosecutors for almost anything, because I think 657 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: they abused their authority. So I think Mueller has abused 658 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: as authority. Now they say, well he asked somebody else, 659 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: another U S attorney to do it. Yes, but this 660 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: is becoming at the behest of Mueller. So I think 661 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: this investigation no longer has much to do with Russia. 662 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,439 Speaker 1: Remember what Chuck Schumer said a couple of months ago. 663 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: He says, if you crossed the intelligence agencies, they can 664 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: screw you six ways to Sunday. This is about enormous power, 665 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: prosecutor power, but also power in the intelligence communities. We 666 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: have to rein this in or every American citizen is 667 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: exposed to this kind of abuse of president's right. It's 668 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,879 Speaker 1: a witch hunt, but it's a wide open thing. It's 669 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: a mistake to ever have these special prosecutors totally agree 670 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: with Senator ram Paul. They're welcome to our two of 671 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: the buck sex and show everyone thank you very much 672 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: for being here. And the fallout from the Cohen situation continues. 673 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: After yesterday when we had the breaking news for you 674 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: of the raid on Cohen's, uh well, his hotel room 675 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: and his office and they grabbed all of this stuff. 676 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: I note that Cohen has since made comments about this, 677 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: he says, Uh, let me see what we got here. 678 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: Did an interview with Don Lemon over at CNN, he 679 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: said quote, I am unhappy to have had my personal 680 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: residence and office rated, but I will tell you the 681 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: members of the FBI conducted the search and seizure with 682 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: extreme works. They were extremely professional, courteous, and respectful. Um 683 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: Don Lemon then said that Cohen told him he believed 684 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: everything he did in respect to Stormy Daniels was legal 685 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: and it would be proven so in the end. When 686 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: asked if he was worried about the investigation, he responded, quote, 687 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: I would be lying to you if I told you 688 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: that I am not. Do I need this in my life? No? 689 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: Cohen added, Do I want to be Do I want 690 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: to be involved in this? No, that's for sure. You 691 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: never want to be in any way the target of 692 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: the subject of near in the next room, in the 693 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: next building. From a federal criminal investigation of any kind. 694 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: It just destroys everything that it touches. You don't have 695 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: to be guilty, they don't have to bring charges against you, 696 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: necessarily bankrupt you just on legal fees. Bankrupt You know 697 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: that that's people forget this, But you know Yeah, our 698 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: legal system is great, but it's far from perfect. It's 699 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,439 Speaker 1: just better than all the other terrible ones around the world, 700 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: but it's not it's not something that you can just 701 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: rely on all the time and do exactly what's right 702 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: and exactly what should happen here. Um. The Cohen situation though, 703 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: after yesterday, I think has shown that you know, one 704 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: side gets treated with kid gloves, that's Hillary Clinton's team, 705 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: and our team gets treated with brass knuckles. That's it 706 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: the way this goes. It's unfair, but a lot of 707 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: people don't want it to be fair. They don't really 708 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,439 Speaker 1: care that it is unfair, that they could care less 709 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: in fact. And now we have figured out what what 710 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: do we do about this? And I would know that, 711 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 1: of course there's a degree of discretion involved here, right, 712 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, prosecutor can and we got Anie McCarthy 713 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: joining us in just a little bit of here. He'll 714 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: answer some of these questions in detail. And he worked 715 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: for this other district of New York so as a prosecutor, 716 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: so he knows that was who went in and grab 717 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: Cohen stuff yesterday, right, So he knows the score here 718 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: very very well. Um, But the choice of how to 719 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: go after and who to go after is everything, you know. 720 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: The power to prosecute is the power to destroy, just 721 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: like you know with the I. R. S. You know, 722 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: it's tax time, folks. Who gets honored it and who doesn't. 723 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: It's a very powerful decision, and only people that have 724 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 1: no familiarity with the process have no understanding what the 725 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: heck they're talking about it Like, well, if you haven't 726 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: done anything wrong, you've got nothing to hide. Really, you know, 727 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: you can remind people can remind themselves of that after 728 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: they've been hounded by federal investigators of one kind another 729 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: for months on end, lost countless hours of productive time, 730 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: a lot of nights sleep, a lot of stress, so 731 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: that in the end you get to just go back 732 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: to all your normal life problems. That's what it's like 733 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: when you're dealing with anyone on the on the on 734 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: the criminal investigative investigative side. Uh. I agree with R. 735 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: Fleischer by the way that they better have something here 736 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: or or this is just way too much for us 737 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: to stomach. It's extraordinary. This is so seldom done. You 738 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: have to believe that the only reason it was done 739 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: because they have the goods on Cohen and that better 740 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: be the case, because if Bob Muller in the U S. 741 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: Attorney for New York do not, they are going to 742 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: have violated the public trust in the most fundamental way. 743 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: So I have to believe, knowing Bob Mueller as well 744 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: as I do, that they've got the goods. There is 745 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 1: something that led them to do this. But here's the 746 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,880 Speaker 1: bigger problem. This is all not predicated on You just 747 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: have to believe. You have to accept the FBI's version. 748 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: The time is quickly coming for Bob Mueller to come public. 749 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: He's going to start abusing the public's faith and trust 750 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: if they don't start to explain what they're doing and 751 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,439 Speaker 1: why he does not have unlimited time and otherwise, why 752 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: should people just accept this at face value. It's starting 753 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 1: to strain credibility because this is so extraordinary. Now now, 754 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: I I I agree with Ari Fleischer there when he 755 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: says that this is an extraordinary step. It's a big deal, 756 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: and that was my initial reaction to it, and then 757 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: I basically disagree with all the rest of what he said. Um, 758 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: I think that it is a violation of the public trust. 759 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,760 Speaker 1: I think we'll find out that it was a violation 760 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: of the public trust. And I think that there'll be 761 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: no consequences whatsoever or Mueller and the rest of that 762 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 1: squad for it. I think, what's going to happen? Okay, 763 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,240 Speaker 1: so they don't have the goods, then what the answer is? Nothing? 764 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: They they did it because they could, because it sends 765 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: a message, because why not, because they have the power 766 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: to do it. There's no accountability that will be enforced 767 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: here for uh Mueller choosing to go with hardball tactics 768 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: against a Trump person. Quite the opposite. There are a 769 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 1: lot of people who think that Mueller is a hero 770 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: for doing this. This is the nature of partisan politics. 771 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: This is the nature of a partisan witch hunt. It's nice. So, 772 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: like I said, there's not gonna be any accountability here. 773 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: And I also disagree with Fleischer in terms of his 774 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 1: sense that this is we are fast approaching the point 775 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,960 Speaker 1: at which we could no longer. I think this investigation 776 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: is being conducted in good faith. I'm already there. I'm 777 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: way past that. I was way past that a while ago. 778 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: And since I don't have any personal interaction with or 779 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: relationship with Mueller, I I can't pretend that I'm gonna 780 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: give him the benefit of the doubts. I think he's 781 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 1: going to do the right thing here. When have any 782 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 1: of these Democrats that overstepped their authority but did not 783 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,839 Speaker 1: flagrantly break a law, what if anything, faced consequences. We really, 784 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: we really think that the government, that the Democrat deep state, 785 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 1: is going to punish people for doing what they can 786 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: using government authority to run up the scoreboard for the 787 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: left at the expense of of the GOP. No way, 788 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you mean all of the You mean, like 789 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 1: the accountability that was enforced against Lowest Learner and Ben 790 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: got I mean and uh sorry, Bend Lowest Learning the 791 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 1: I r S. Nope, nothing happened there, It's gonna happen here. 792 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: So I think that's wishful thanking. What it really is 793 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: is Ari Fleischer, who was obviously a very senior guy 794 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: in the Bush White House, I think hoping that the 795 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: America that he wants to believe exists still exists. So 796 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm not putting him down for that. 797 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,879 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think I think he is not 798 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: being cynical enough here, based on the facts and based 799 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: on everything that we have seen, what to do about this, 800 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: Though I know that's probably the next question we we 801 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: should address, right, well, what is the what is the 802 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: real response that we should have to all of this? 803 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: And uh, the answer is, well, a few things have 804 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: been put out there. For one, um, we could uh 805 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: and see m was just reporting on this that Trump 806 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 1: is considering taking action against Rod Rosenstein. I don't think 807 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,879 Speaker 1: people are saying he Kennedy can't fire Mueller. My sense 808 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: is he can't fire Muller. He won't fire Muller. And 809 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: that's it's kind of a distraction now for most of 810 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: the media to even be talking about it. It's just 811 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: not not realistic, not gonna happen. I don't think that. 812 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. That's said. Could I see 813 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,919 Speaker 1: Trump saying, you know what, screw it, I'm gonna fire Rosenstein. Yeah, 814 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: I could see that happening. I can see that happening. 815 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,719 Speaker 1: You know. There's that professor of constitutional law, uh Presteriley 816 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: down to g W. He was on Fox talking about 817 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: the Cohen situation and the threat that opposes for Trump. 818 00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say. The president has to 819 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: be very careful. The greatest danger that he faces is 820 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,760 Speaker 1: not Michael Cohen as a defendant, but Michael Cohen is bait. 821 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: In many ways, this could be as cunning as it 822 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: is hostile on the part of Rod Rosenstein. You know, 823 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: he expanded the mandate for Mueller to go after Manifort 824 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,920 Speaker 1: on crimes that were far more remote than this. So 825 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: why would he refer to the Southern District. Well, it 826 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,160 Speaker 1: has a real threat for the president. It expands the 827 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: investigation involves the Southern District that can prosecute it. But 828 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 1: if the President reacts aggressively, he could end up triggering 829 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,240 Speaker 1: a far more serious problem for himself and his presidency. 830 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that. It depends 831 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,720 Speaker 1: on what we mean by aggressively. I don't think firing 832 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: Mueller's in the cards, but maybe, uh, maybe firing Rosenstein. 833 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: I also think that isn't it interesting? You see this 834 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 1: happening time and again, and people that can cover for 835 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: the Republican or that can forget cover give the Republican 836 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. They recused themselves. Sessions recused himself, 837 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: the U s. Attorney in New York who originally people's like, oh, 838 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: it's a it's a trumpet point. Yeah, he recused himself 839 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: from this decision to raid Cohen's offices yesterday? Isn't that 840 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: interesting in the original talking point? Oh, it was a 841 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,160 Speaker 1: Trump appointee. Nope, he recused himself. Wasn't part of the process. 842 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: Wasn't part of the discussion? Uh? Who? Who in a 843 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,000 Speaker 1: in a in a critical uh junk at a critical 844 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,919 Speaker 1: point in the major investigations affecting Democrats in recent years, 845 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: who are the really important Democrat prosecutors to Democrat DJ officials? 846 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: Who stepped aside? Again? Did uh? Do you remember Eric 847 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,800 Speaker 1: Holdy recusing himself from anything that would have really affected Obama? 848 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: And they No? Do you remember Lauretta Lynch saying, you know, 849 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna step aside and just kind of let justice 850 00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: be done here, even if it tanks the Democrats hoped 851 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: for Hillard win. No, I'm just seeing a trend there. 852 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: I see something playing out that looks like one side 853 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 1: is just in it to win it, and the other 854 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,840 Speaker 1: side is like, wow, I think that maybe the rule 855 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,959 Speaker 1: book tells me and you can tell me, well, Buck, 856 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: that's because we have principles that we okay, but just 857 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,480 Speaker 1: understand that the other team has has no such compunctions 858 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 1: about about making sure that they cover for themselves. Meanwhile, 859 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,240 Speaker 1: on our side of it, I said, from the beginning, 860 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 1: special Council disaster, it's a terrible idea. A lot of 861 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: conservatives were having a kind of moment of moral preening 862 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: over that one. I gotta say, ethical preening over Oh, well, 863 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: we need a special counsel. No, we we did not 864 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,400 Speaker 1: need a special counsel. It was it was just the 865 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: Democrats dream come true of a nemesis. And that's what 866 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,640 Speaker 1: Mueller and this whole Council probe has turned into and 867 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: has been really from the start a nemesis for the 868 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: Trump administration. Just to bog it all down. This by 869 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: this effects not just the the enacting of policy and 870 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 1: the Trump agenda. It affects our billity, affect what we 871 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: talk about, what we spend our time on, our our 872 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:13,319 Speaker 1: our energy are psychological output is affected by all the 873 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,320 Speaker 1: time spent it all. Is he going to be impeached? 874 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: Is he going to be by the way the answers, yes, 875 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: The Democrats whin he's going to be impeached. I'm not 876 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,000 Speaker 1: gonna be removed from office. He's going to be impeached. 877 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: Uh so we'll say, oh, speaking of Muller by the 878 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: way in Democrats. One more thing here, um Chuck Schumer 879 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 1: never misses an opportunity to weigh in on this issue. 880 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: By his own words, it's clear the president may may 881 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 1: be considering firing the Special Counsel. This Congress must respond 882 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,800 Speaker 1: forcefully and on a bipartisan basis, by reaffirming our belief 883 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: that the president cannot fire special counsel without law, without cause, 884 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,319 Speaker 1: and by passing legislation to ensure that any attempts to 885 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: remove Robert Mueller will be unsuccessful. We should not abide 886 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: the president's attempted assault on the rule of law in America. 887 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 1: The eyes of history, very serious, are upon us. Eyes 888 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:18,720 Speaker 1: of history. Who spooky Schumer? There the eyes of history. 889 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: The president can't hand over his constitutionally delegated authority, and 890 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,760 Speaker 1: the president could fire executive branch officials. So the notion 891 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 1: that the Congress is going to pass a statute that says, yeah, 892 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: you can't fire people who work for the d o J, 893 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: that's a big problem. Big problem. I don't think it's 894 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 1: gonna happen, but just shows you that how disingenuous the 895 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 1: Democrats are. They want to respect the rule of law 896 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 1: by passing statutes that break down the rule of law. 897 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: So there you go. That's that's not Chuck Schumer rules. Um, 898 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: we gotta roll into a quick break here. We got 899 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: Annie McCarthy joining us in just a few minutes. Third hour, 900 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: by the way, quick preview, we'll talk about a major 901 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,719 Speaker 1: affirmative action showdown through Harvard University. They could affect the 902 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: company you work for, the college you will you know 903 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: you went to, or you go to, or your kids 904 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: might go to it. It's gonna have big, big ramifications 905 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: across the board. Um, So there's that. And we will 906 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: also talk about the breakfast club. And I got some 907 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,800 Speaker 1: other stuff too, and and and what oh yeah, gosh, 908 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: there's all these stories on sex robots. I'm just gonna 909 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,440 Speaker 1: give you a quick take on that one later on 910 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,239 Speaker 1: this I'm like, what is going on here? So we 911 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,000 Speaker 1: have quite quite a roadmap plan for you here. We'll 912 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:45,759 Speaker 1: be right back. I got some of the more team 913 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 1: Buck callers on a long let's get to it. Uh 914 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:55,840 Speaker 1: Kenny in Boston, Hey, Kenny Shield tie Buck shild listen, yes, listen, 915 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: Um you know this, Maller. We we fail to mention 916 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,400 Speaker 1: that Mala is not only a hacking the president, but 917 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: he's also and largely trying to demoralize his base, the 918 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: president's base, because he you know, he wants people. Oh 919 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,360 Speaker 1: my god, that's never gonna end. They want it's an 920 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: a war of attrition, you know. But if these guys 921 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,840 Speaker 1: are so brazen and unabashed with the procedural you know, 922 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: the people in the the what do you call it, 923 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,439 Speaker 1: the intelligence cabal, the deep state intelligence cabal. If they're 924 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 1: so brazen communities procedural acts, what's to stop them from 925 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: actually completely totally fabricating some event or crime and getting 926 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,320 Speaker 1: away with it that you know that's supposedly Trump committed. 927 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,279 Speaker 1: I mean, how's that going to you know? I mean, 928 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,399 Speaker 1: how what's going to stop them from that? If they 929 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: are so all powerful? Know, well, I would say, Kenny, 930 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,399 Speaker 1: let's not let's not overcomplicated. Right, There's enough damage that 931 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: the molar probe can do without putting themselves in any 932 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,799 Speaker 1: jeopardy whatsoever. Right there, there's enough that they can do 933 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 1: just using the powers that are that are in fact 934 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 1: in there, uh in their arsenal right now. And so 935 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,799 Speaker 1: that's when you say fabricating evidence. They don't need to 936 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 1: do that, right, So why do it? I mean they 937 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,839 Speaker 1: can just continue with what's going on right now. It's 938 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: working pretty well. They're harassing Trump, as you say, they 939 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 1: demoralizing the base. So I would say, and let's let's uh, 940 00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,680 Speaker 1: let's not go to the next level until we have 941 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 1: any evidence to show that that it's there. But I'm 942 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,800 Speaker 1: with you, and I'm I'm concerned too. And I appreciate 943 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,359 Speaker 1: the call from Boston, our friend Kenny Greg in Oklahoma City. Greg, 944 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 1: we got it like a minute in twenty but I 945 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: want to bring you in make sure we can hear 946 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: from what's up, hey, Buck? Yeah? I wanted to kind 947 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,359 Speaker 1: of talk about Syria in something that Typer Carlson brought 948 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,840 Speaker 1: up last night on this show. Um, are we really 949 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,920 Speaker 1: sure that assad was the one that did these chemical 950 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,800 Speaker 1: weapons attacks this time? Um? I'm sure he Obviously he's capable. 951 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 1: He's a genocidal maniac h that has killed a million 952 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 1: people now so far in the last five or sixty years. 953 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: I really wonder, though, why everybody's fully gung ho on 954 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,439 Speaker 1: essentially a ground to war in Syria, which we both 955 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 1: know is going to end with who in power we 956 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,200 Speaker 1: don't know exactly. It's a quagmire. UM. I really question 957 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,440 Speaker 1: and we should really be skeptical before we start sending 958 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: men and women, um, more men and women. I should say, 959 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,359 Speaker 1: it's a series to die. Um. There are too many 960 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,879 Speaker 1: actors in the arena that want us there. Whether it's 961 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 1: Russia was just creating more chaos, or obviously the rebels 962 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,480 Speaker 1: they need our support to win, whether it's the Islamic 963 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,560 Speaker 1: rebels or the Kurdish rebels. UM. I just really wonder 964 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,360 Speaker 1: if we're being played here in some sort Um. Obviously 965 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 1: the chemical uptance attackers evil, but who was really perpetrating 966 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,839 Speaker 1: use as these actions? You know, Greg, it's all, it's 967 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 1: these are all these are important questions and very fair questions. 968 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,840 Speaker 1: And you know the answer is I'm not on the 969 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,600 Speaker 1: inside anymore. And I know you're not. You're not in 970 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 1: uniform anymore. So all I can go on to the 971 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,239 Speaker 1: press reports I see, But I think we need to 972 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 1: be much more cautious to your overall point about what 973 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,359 Speaker 1: we think we should be doing short term and long 974 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,759 Speaker 1: term in Syria. She'll tell you, my friend, team, we're 975 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,319 Speaker 1: gonna roll into a quick break. We'll be right back 976 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: with Andy McCarthy. When lawyers think about cooperating with the prosecutors, 977 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,040 Speaker 1: they have to know that in exchange for cooperation, they'll 978 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,440 Speaker 1: get treated decently. And here you have lawyers cooperating. Trump's 979 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,759 Speaker 1: lawyers co operated completely, Cohen cooperated completely, and what did 980 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,040 Speaker 1: they get for a readingly on the office with everything 981 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,680 Speaker 1: being taken. So this sends a powerful message that cooperation 982 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,840 Speaker 1: is not going to be rewarded by Mueller, It's not 983 00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 1: gonna be rewarded by the Southern District, and I think 984 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,920 Speaker 1: the result may very well be far less cooperation. Not 985 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 1: a shot across the bow, really a shot into the bow, 986 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,720 Speaker 1: so to speak, of Trump's inner circle. Here by going 987 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: into Cohen's hotel room, his office, going through all of 988 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: his stuff, season things, it has really turned up the 989 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,120 Speaker 1: heat quite a bit. How big a deal is this 990 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,920 Speaker 1: in terms of a tactic? What does it tell us 991 00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,799 Speaker 1: about the investigation? And what does it tell us about 992 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,480 Speaker 1: any possible legal peril Cohen or Trump himself could be. 993 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,960 Speaker 1: And we have the man who could answer all of 994 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: that and more with us right now, Andy McCarthy is 995 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,520 Speaker 1: on the line. He's a former assistant United States Attorney 996 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: for the Southern District, which, by the way, was the 997 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,600 Speaker 1: outfit that pulled off that raid yesterday. He's also a 998 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: calmist forward National Review Reader's latest, The Cohen Searches, and 999 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,720 Speaker 1: Trump's d mini mess I like that, Andy, Thanks for joining. 1000 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,320 Speaker 1: Thanks are ye, I'm good. Are you you were? You 1001 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:28,800 Speaker 1: were kind of what were you hanging on the beach 1002 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: or something. You've been gone for a while. I did 1003 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:37,280 Speaker 1: actually have a nice vacation, which was great Dan in Florida, 1004 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,560 Speaker 1: and then the week I got back. I know it's 1005 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,520 Speaker 1: a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it. We 1006 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: had two events in a couple of gorgeous places in 1007 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,640 Speaker 1: California for National Reviews, so I just sort of had 1008 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: to do that. Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it, Andy, 1009 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:51,840 Speaker 1: because now you've got a presidency to say what the 1010 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 1: heck is going on here with the Cohen raid. I 1011 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 1: see this in Derschowitz Professor Dirshwitz. I'm sure you know, well, 1012 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,640 Speaker 1: it's run around saying that this is Yeah, it might 1013 00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,320 Speaker 1: be okay, but there's a difference between what is technically 1014 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: legal and what is what you would expect in terms 1015 00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: of how the discretion to do these kinds of things 1016 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 1: is used by people like the Southern District of New York. Yeah, well, 1017 00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big fan of Alan Dershowitz, but 1018 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 1: I've always thought he gets out over his skis when 1019 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,080 Speaker 1: he goes into the sense lawyer mode rather than constitutional 1020 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,080 Speaker 1: lawyer mode. And I disagreed with just about everything he 1021 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,440 Speaker 1: said in that clip that you you played beginning with, UM, 1022 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,400 Speaker 1: I don't think we know at all whether Colin is 1023 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 1: completely cooperated or not. Um. We know that he says 1024 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 1: he has cooperated. Um what his lawyer says that he's 1025 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,840 Speaker 1: cooperated with all entities of government, which suggests that he 1026 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,520 Speaker 1: was cooperating with Moller. But whether he's set down with 1027 00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,640 Speaker 1: those prosecutors or not, I have no idea. Maybe he 1028 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,040 Speaker 1: knows things I don't. Uh. He certainly is uh given 1029 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,680 Speaker 1: information to the congressional committee. But Buck, you know, that's 1030 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 1: the same situation Manafort was in. If you remember Manafort 1031 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 1: was in the middle of cooperating, it was that it 1032 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 1: was the night between two different appearances before congressional committees 1033 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,440 Speaker 1: when they did the pre dawn raid on his home. So, UM, 1034 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: you know this is this has happened before, and I 1035 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,360 Speaker 1: don't think that that the history bears out what Professor 1036 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,280 Speaker 1: der dersher what says about cooperation. As we saw the 1037 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, Muller gave a cooperation deal to Richard Gates, 1038 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,720 Speaker 1: which I've been quite critical of because I think he 1039 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, basically sold his case. Ats first time I 1040 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,680 Speaker 1: ever saw somebody had somebody charged on Friday on Thursday 1041 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,440 Speaker 1: with like a hundred million dollars in financial fraud and 1042 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,440 Speaker 1: then on Friday you plead amount to a minor conspiracy 1043 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,200 Speaker 1: in lion to an FBI agent. So, you know, I 1044 00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,760 Speaker 1: think there's plenty of people out there think that they 1045 00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 1: can get a pretty good deal from Muller. And in 1046 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,600 Speaker 1: my experience, people cooperate because it's in their interest to 1047 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,640 Speaker 1: either cooperate or you know, they go down pretty hard 1048 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 1: and they can get sentenced to a lot of time. Um, 1049 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 1: So it's not a question of whether you'll be rewarded 1050 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 1: with uh, you know, whether they'll search your office and 1051 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But what about the lawyer component 1052 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:28,080 Speaker 1: of this and the attorney client privilege relationship. Now, I 1053 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,720 Speaker 1: know that you know, if you're like, if someone's a 1054 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: mob lawyer and they're and they're the guy who's like 1055 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,800 Speaker 1: passing back and forth letters about who the next HiT's 1056 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,960 Speaker 1: gonna be at, you know that it's not like attorney 1057 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,520 Speaker 1: client privileges is an absolute, but isn't it kind of 1058 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 1: I mean, does this sort of fit in the same 1059 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,320 Speaker 1: old andy is when you have someone say that, you know, 1060 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: the the Justice Department, they'll pull a journalist's phone logs 1061 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,240 Speaker 1: that they really need to find a leaguer, for example, 1062 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: but they tend to really not do that because of 1063 01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,920 Speaker 1: the tension here. What is the tension, if any between 1064 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: what the Southern Issue did yesterday and hey, if you 1065 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,479 Speaker 1: can just grab all of the lawyer's files and read 1066 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,320 Speaker 1: through them at will, there's not really much of an 1067 01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 1: attorney client privilege anymore. Yeah, well, the tension is profound, Buck, 1068 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:15,960 Speaker 1: And in fact, the U S Attorney Annual Guidelines admonished 1069 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,760 Speaker 1: prosecutors that if there's any way to deal with a 1070 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,840 Speaker 1: lawyer who's the subject of an investigation without doing a 1071 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,840 Speaker 1: search warrant, like if you think you can get the 1072 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,520 Speaker 1: information by some alternative like a grand jury subpoena, that's 1073 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do. And that's because of precisely 1074 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 1: the constitutional concerns you talk about about the representation by 1075 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 1: counsel and the derivative the attorney client privilege. That said, um, 1076 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:42,680 Speaker 1: when you do have to do these things, and the 1077 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,840 Speaker 1: Southern District, you know, these are not usual things to do, 1078 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,720 Speaker 1: but to the extent they're they're done with some with 1079 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,480 Speaker 1: any frequency at all. The the Southern District has a 1080 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,160 Speaker 1: lot of experience in this area. I had experienced in 1081 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,560 Speaker 1: this area. Um, there's two things I think to bear 1082 01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,960 Speaker 1: in mind. One is if you're talking about the communications, 1083 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,200 Speaker 1: and remember now, the only thing that sacrosancted the lawyer's 1084 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 1: office are the attorney client communications. So for example, if 1085 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,160 Speaker 1: you if you break into a lawyer's office with a 1086 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,760 Speaker 1: warrant and he's got a pile a heroine on the table, 1087 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't get a pass on that because he's a 1088 01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:23,280 Speaker 1: lawyer's client heroine, right, right, right, So the only thing 1089 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about here, or should be, is the communications 1090 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:31,120 Speaker 1: that are privileged. Um, if you and your lawyer plan 1091 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:37,600 Speaker 1: um a scheme that's that's criminal or fraudulent, the communications 1092 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,960 Speaker 1: are not going to be protected under the what's known 1093 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 1: as the crime fraud exception. So you know, to the 1094 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,440 Speaker 1: extent that they're interested in Trump Cohen communications on a 1095 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,600 Speaker 1: theory that they were scheming, say to get around the 1096 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,160 Speaker 1: campaign finance laws and doing this hush agreement with with 1097 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,400 Speaker 1: the peign Star. That's the allegation. I don't know whether 1098 01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,880 Speaker 1: it's true or not. Those communications likely would not be 1099 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,280 Speaker 1: covered by the attorney client privilege. And as as to 1100 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,200 Speaker 1: the rest of the stuff that's in the lawyer's office 1101 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 1: in the nature of communications that's not relevant to the case, 1102 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,760 Speaker 1: what the Justice Department does in a situation like this 1103 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,760 Speaker 1: is a clean team has to go through everything and 1104 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,520 Speaker 1: give back everything that's not relevant to the case before 1105 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,720 Speaker 1: the prosecutors who are handling the case and the agents 1106 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,560 Speaker 1: who handle the case will get to see any of it, 1107 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 1: and they'll completely litigate with the court anything that the 1108 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:41,000 Speaker 1: lawyer and his clients claim is privileged before it gets 1109 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,959 Speaker 1: given to the people who are doing the investigation. So 1110 01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,640 Speaker 1: it's you know, I can understand why a lawyer obviously 1111 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 1: is virtually put out of business if you take everything 1112 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,400 Speaker 1: that's in his office, But there are procedures to protect 1113 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: the constitutional interests. Yeah, by the way, what if you're 1114 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,600 Speaker 1: somebody that just was represented by Michael Cohen, has nothing 1115 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: to do with any of this, and your stuff is 1116 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,400 Speaker 1: now in the hands and you did have privileged communications, 1117 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,320 Speaker 1: but your stuff is now in the hands of of 1118 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 1: the FBI could could they use that just out of 1119 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,080 Speaker 1: curiosity to start another investigation? I mean, is is there 1120 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,600 Speaker 1: a fruit of the poisonous tree component? But they can't 1121 01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,800 Speaker 1: use it. The whole point of having the clean team 1122 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 1: is the first thing you do is go through everything 1123 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 1: and give back anything that's not relevant to the investigation 1124 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,440 Speaker 1: they're doing, and anything that's in the nature of communications 1125 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,000 Speaker 1: that actually is privileged. You know, it's not of prime 1126 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,600 Speaker 1: fraud excession. It's really attorney client privileged stuff. None of 1127 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,640 Speaker 1: that can be used to start an investigation. All right, 1128 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,880 Speaker 1: now I want to ask him. We're speaking to Andy McCarthy. 1129 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,240 Speaker 1: Everyone and check out his latest is always National Review 1130 01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Uh, Andy, what about just the this is 1131 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,320 Speaker 1: pretty brass knuckles stuff from the southern District of New York. 1132 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,200 Speaker 1: Uh It seems like, you know, I don't want to 1133 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,800 Speaker 1: get into the whole Look what they did with the Hillary, 1134 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,680 Speaker 1: Look what they did versus Trump. I've been talking about 1135 01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,400 Speaker 1: that a lot. I think that that kind of speaks 1136 01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:03,360 Speaker 1: for itself. But but is it unusual to go to 1137 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,560 Speaker 1: to go to this level for I mean, as you said, 1138 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,920 Speaker 1: a payoff that might be an f EC violation. I mean, 1139 01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,280 Speaker 1: is this is there any part of this that's troubling 1140 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 1: you just in terms of how heavy handed it is. 1141 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,000 Speaker 1: We can't say at this point, Buck whether it's trouble 1142 01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,919 Speaker 1: or not. The the one thing that I must say, 1143 01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: between reading the reporting on this and rereading the guideline 1144 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,200 Speaker 1: that applies that really admonishes prosecutors not to do this 1145 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,640 Speaker 1: sort of thing unless it's a serious case and this 1146 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,760 Speaker 1: is the only way to get the information. It really 1147 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:36,400 Speaker 1: signals to me that there's a lot more going on 1148 01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,600 Speaker 1: here than just stormy Daniels. I would be I mean, 1149 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,120 Speaker 1: if we get to the end of the rainbow and 1150 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,840 Speaker 1: the only thing that they were looking for here is 1151 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,720 Speaker 1: evidence of that, uh, of that incident, I'm going to 1152 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,680 Speaker 1: be very, very surprised. And I'll agree with anybody, including 1153 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,920 Speaker 1: Professor Dershowitz, who wants to say it's completely outrageous. So 1154 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,480 Speaker 1: so it would be at that point, I just I 1155 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:58,440 Speaker 1: just want to this is important. I think at at 1156 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,800 Speaker 1: that point even you'd want to say, oh no, that's 1157 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,560 Speaker 1: maybe it's not illegal, but it's unethical. Plus what would 1158 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,200 Speaker 1: be the reason for it, you know, I mean, you know, well, 1159 01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,880 Speaker 1: but that's what I mean, right, If it's just if 1160 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,240 Speaker 1: they find out at the end, all they had, all 1161 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,680 Speaker 1: they did this for. It was the Stormy Daniels FBC thing. 1162 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,440 Speaker 1: Then they did decide to you know, theoretically law enforcement, 1163 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,320 Speaker 1: right if if they think that there's some guy who's 1164 01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 1: growing weed in in his in his closet, they can 1165 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,200 Speaker 1: send in a squat team and you splash bangs. But 1166 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,560 Speaker 1: usually they don't do that exactly right, Yeah, So do 1167 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: you think that this is you know, I know you 1168 01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:31,920 Speaker 1: wrote you wrote here in Nashal Review about the mini 1169 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,600 Speaker 1: mess um? Is this? Is this a real danger to Trump? 1170 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,760 Speaker 1: He was very upset. We actually played the audio yesterday 1171 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,640 Speaker 1: right after he uh he was in that meeting. We're 1172 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,120 Speaker 1: supposed to be talking about Syria, very serious national security policy. 1173 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,360 Speaker 1: Instead he's talking about the raid on Cohen's office. Are 1174 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,280 Speaker 1: you getting a feeling that maybe, if not Trump himself, 1175 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,400 Speaker 1: but Cohen and some other top people are are about 1176 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,320 Speaker 1: to get jammed up? As we used to say in 1177 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,920 Speaker 1: the p D, I think at a minimum Cohen's jammed up. 1178 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:02,680 Speaker 1: Let's remember that if if a judge issued this warrant, 1179 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,440 Speaker 1: that means this a finding a probable cause that they 1180 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,720 Speaker 1: were going to have evidence of crimes in the places 1181 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:11,840 Speaker 1: where they were searching, right, So I'd say Cone's got 1182 01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,240 Speaker 1: a problem at a minimum. I think the president, you know, 1183 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,440 Speaker 1: the good cast I supposed to put on it is 1184 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:24,640 Speaker 1: he's so cumulatively frustrated by the Russia investigation, which really 1185 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,320 Speaker 1: seems like it's mainly a main up, made up thing, 1186 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,439 Speaker 1: and now this on top of it. I could see 1187 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,280 Speaker 1: him between that and the fact that he's an intemperate 1188 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,200 Speaker 1: type to begin with, and the fact that they know 1189 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,520 Speaker 1: ransacked his lawyer's place, I can see him losing his 1190 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,800 Speaker 1: cool over that. Uh. The you know, the other alternative 1191 01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,919 Speaker 1: is what we just discussed, which is there may be 1192 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 1: more here than just Stormy Daniels that they're interested in, 1193 01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 1: and you know that that obviously would be a concern 1194 01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,360 Speaker 1: he He and Cone have a very close relationship. Cone 1195 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,440 Speaker 1: is like a loyal six or for him, who seems 1196 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,160 Speaker 1: to revel in this depiction of him as like a 1197 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,440 Speaker 1: Tom Hayden type. As my friend Jonah Goldberg noted at 1198 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:15,160 Speaker 1: National Review Today's consiliari, Yeah, he's a kind of an 1199 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,800 Speaker 1: interesting guyn, you know, the godfather everybody the consuliary for 1200 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,639 Speaker 1: those who might have missed the top, you know, right right, 1201 01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,240 Speaker 1: there's no spelling test here, right, Buck, I don't have 1202 01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,760 Speaker 1: to spell conciliary. Yeah, I know some people actually they 1203 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,439 Speaker 1: actually pronounced the G because it's like an americanization of 1204 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,200 Speaker 1: the Italian. But I like, I like, yeah, like I 1205 01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,559 Speaker 1: keep it the on the up and up. Andy think 1206 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,120 Speaker 1: nothing that is silent? Yeah, no, I know, but I 1207 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,160 Speaker 1: and I hear some some wise guys go a consigliari 1208 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, you know, if you're gonna be, 1209 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,600 Speaker 1: if you're so attached to the homeland, you know you 1210 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,720 Speaker 1: should probably know that it's consiliary. But Andy, thank you 1211 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,120 Speaker 1: man so much for joining us as always, just just 1212 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:53,639 Speaker 1: one last one free for you that you got a 1213 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,599 Speaker 1: a quick one. Uh is this is this mother thing 1214 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,439 Speaker 1: just gonna just gonna grind on forever. But go nowhere. 1215 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,519 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna grind on. I don't know if 1216 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,880 Speaker 1: it goes nowhere. Um, it probably goes nowhere. With respect 1217 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,719 Speaker 1: to collusion with Russia, I don't think there's a obstruction case. 1218 01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,000 Speaker 1: But I don't think Mohler's in any hurry. He's got 1219 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,640 Speaker 1: two cases against Danaforth that that that won't be over 1220 01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,920 Speaker 1: toward the end of this year. I don't think, all right, 1221 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,600 Speaker 1: we'll keep looking at Andy. Thank you so much for 1222 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,960 Speaker 1: joining us. Everybody, Andy McCarthy check out his latest at 1223 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,800 Speaker 1: National review dot com. Thanks Andy, team. All right man, 1224 01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,800 Speaker 1: good to talk to you. Great to talk to you too. Good, 1225 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,960 Speaker 1: good to have any back. Um, we're gonna roll into 1226 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,240 Speaker 1: a quick break here. We'll be back and just a 1227 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:37,000 Speaker 1: few stay with me where beefing up the border patrol 1228 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,400 Speaker 1: who has done a fantastic job. Ice has done a 1229 01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:45,080 Speaker 1: fantastic job, and we will take care of that situation. 1230 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,120 Speaker 1: We need a wall, whether you're a Republican or Democrat, 1231 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:52,080 Speaker 1: we need a wall, and it'll stop your drug flow. 1232 01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,000 Speaker 1: It'll knock the hell out of the drug flow, and 1233 01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,280 Speaker 1: you'll it'll stop a lot of people that we don't 1234 01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,599 Speaker 1: want in this country from coming into our country. So 1235 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,680 Speaker 1: right now we are to think that there's something of 1236 01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,360 Speaker 1: a stand down and effect for this caravan that was 1237 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,720 Speaker 1: coming to the US. That remember that people keep saying, oh, 1238 01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,120 Speaker 1: that they're gonna try to sneak to the country illegally. No, 1239 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,040 Speaker 1: it's worse than that they were going to hand themselves 1240 01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,400 Speaker 1: or over to border patrol and claim asylum in this 1241 01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 1: country because they you know, there are a lot of 1242 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,639 Speaker 1: people that live in El Salvador and Honduras that are 1243 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,920 Speaker 1: are living there, and they're fine. I'm not saying it's 1244 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,040 Speaker 1: a great place to be economically and otherwise, but so 1245 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,599 Speaker 1: if you just happen to be from that country. There's 1246 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,479 Speaker 1: not a war going on there. There's a lot of crime, 1247 01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,000 Speaker 1: theres a lot of poverty. But if crime and poverty 1248 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,240 Speaker 1: are the basis for asylum claims in Central America, then 1249 01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,400 Speaker 1: don't they have to be the basis of asylent claims 1250 01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,160 Speaker 1: from any Think about all the countries that all of 1251 01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,120 Speaker 1: a sudden, now you show up, Oh I'm from I'm 1252 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:55,000 Speaker 1: from Somalia, I'm from Bangladesh, I'm from of you know, 1253 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,400 Speaker 1: mean mar I mean, you know, just think of a 1254 01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,720 Speaker 1: country that's in rough shape and you're like, well, I 1255 01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,000 Speaker 1: should be able to claim asylum in the States. I 1256 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,160 Speaker 1: think that's if nothing else, a good takeaway from the 1257 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,559 Speaker 1: from the whole situation is that now more Americans know 1258 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,400 Speaker 1: that that's what our policy is. The policy is crazy, 1259 01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,240 Speaker 1: it's being abused, it's being exploited. Uh. But this issue 1260 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,360 Speaker 1: is not over at all, And in fact, I think 1261 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,640 Speaker 1: you will see a an effort to renew that. I 1262 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,000 Speaker 1: think this caravan will get going again, because this is 1263 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:32,800 Speaker 1: a very clear visualization. It's, you know, the optics of 1264 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,519 Speaker 1: the situation of this, of this immigration debate. You actually 1265 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:41,840 Speaker 1: had CNN. I was traveling with reproducer, traveling with one 1266 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,320 Speaker 1: of some folks from this caravan, and this is how 1267 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,160 Speaker 1: the conversation went. We just left Pueverla well ahead about 1268 01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,120 Speaker 1: two to three hours north to Mexico City, and the 1269 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,439 Speaker 1: plan there is to meet with immigration officials, to meet 1270 01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,760 Speaker 1: with government officials, meet with those that can give them 1271 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,880 Speaker 1: some sort of legal aid and actually, let me just 1272 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:07,880 Speaker 1: ask them, cans in Mexico, who will stay in Mexico. 1273 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,439 Speaker 1: So these are the people who say that they will 1274 01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,000 Speaker 1: be going to the United States, and some of them 1275 01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:15,439 Speaker 1: not answering. Uh, Mike told me so in the in 1276 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,400 Speaker 1: the clip of that, the video clip of that, every 1277 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,160 Speaker 1: hand went up when it was who's going to the 1278 01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:23,160 Speaker 1: United States. They're not not coming to the US. They 1279 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,040 Speaker 1: just may have realized, oh, better for us to just 1280 01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,519 Speaker 1: show up at the border as individuals and not be 1281 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,040 Speaker 1: part of this politicized and and very publicized A better 1282 01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:38,519 Speaker 1: world than politicized, publicized movement. But this is not over, folks, 1283 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,479 Speaker 1: None of these issues, nothing has been resolved, nothing has changed, 1284 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,559 Speaker 1: nothing is better now. National garbers called down by Obama, 1285 01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,000 Speaker 1: by Bush, others have done this in the past, does 1286 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,320 Speaker 1: not solve the problem. You get a wall there, or 1287 01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:54,640 Speaker 1: the illegal immigration continues, So just keep an eye on that. 1288 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,840 Speaker 1: We'll be back on this story again um soon. And 1289 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,519 Speaker 1: in the meantime, coming up, I want to tell you 1290 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:05,760 Speaker 1: about how we finally break apart the regime of affirmative 1291 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,640 Speaker 1: action in this country, but I'll have to tell you 1292 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,439 Speaker 1: about it after this break, so stay with me. Hey, everybody, 1293 01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,320 Speaker 1: welcome to our three of the Buck Sexton Show. Maybe 1294 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,800 Speaker 1: we should start doing a recurring, recurring segment that I 1295 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,439 Speaker 1: could just call under the Radar. I kind of I 1296 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,360 Speaker 1: kind of like the ring of that where there are 1297 01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,080 Speaker 1: stories that are being reported on but they haven't really 1298 01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,879 Speaker 1: been packaged in a way, or they haven't been promoted 1299 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 1: I think as quite as important as interesting as they 1300 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,400 Speaker 1: really are. And there's one of those that I want 1301 01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,200 Speaker 1: to tell you about it right now. Harvard is on 1302 01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:45,640 Speaker 1: the hot seat because there's a group of students, specifically 1303 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Asian American students Students for a Fair Admission. For Fair 1304 01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,519 Speaker 1: Admission is the name of the group who are suing 1305 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:57,160 Speaker 1: Harvard University over their admissions policy. Now you don't need 1306 01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,120 Speaker 1: me to tell you Harvard's probably the most famous and 1307 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:05,280 Speaker 1: and elite university in the world. Sorry, yalies, but Harvard 1308 01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,640 Speaker 1: is by most folks, by perception at least, consider to 1309 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,920 Speaker 1: be number one, which is kind of silly. All these 1310 01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,599 Speaker 1: schools are really when you get to a certain level, 1311 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,320 Speaker 1: it's all the same. But anyway, consider number one. But 1312 01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,080 Speaker 1: here here's the problem with Harvard and the problem with 1313 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,880 Speaker 1: the left on on all these issues of affirmative action, 1314 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,360 Speaker 1: which this this is where this is where the things 1315 01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:28,760 Speaker 1: are gonna get very interesting. They are not legally allowed 1316 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:34,400 Speaker 1: under under recent Supreme Court decisions, to have quotas. So 1317 01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:39,280 Speaker 1: you cannot say that the incoming Harvard class will be, 1318 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, twelve percent African American, seven Hispanic, fifteen or 1319 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,240 Speaker 1: twenty percent Asian, and the rest you know, white and 1320 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:55,200 Speaker 1: whatever else they consider to be white. I can't do that. Yet, somehow, somehow, 1321 01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,519 Speaker 1: each year, for those of us who pay attention to 1322 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:03,000 Speaker 1: these things, the demographic makeup of the incoming class at 1323 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,000 Speaker 1: these schools, And it's not just Harvard. That's true at 1324 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,800 Speaker 1: schools all the way down wherever you are in the 1325 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,439 Speaker 1: country right now. The states school that you maybe either 1326 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,120 Speaker 1: you want to go to or your kids are thinking 1327 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,000 Speaker 1: about going to, this plays a role there too. They've 1328 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,040 Speaker 1: gotten rid of race as a factor in admissions in 1329 01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,320 Speaker 1: California and so we actually have data on this and 1330 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: what that what that all means. But in most places 1331 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,280 Speaker 1: they still do what is called a a holistic approach. 1332 01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:30,639 Speaker 1: And this comes from one of the most bizarre Supreme 1333 01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,040 Speaker 1: Court decisions of all time, in which Sandra Day O'Connor said, well, 1334 01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,200 Speaker 1: she was the designing vote was five four, and I 1335 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:39,320 Speaker 1: think this was in Gruttter v. Bollinger. Was that was 1336 01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,120 Speaker 1: the case, although that might have been the precedent case before, 1337 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:43,680 Speaker 1: but I think it was Gruttter v. Bollinger had to 1338 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:48,479 Speaker 1: do with law law school admission and if memory serves, 1339 01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:49,880 Speaker 1: I could be wrong on this, and I'm just gonna 1340 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:54,240 Speaker 1: the top of my head, but Santaday O'Connor, in her 1341 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,719 Speaker 1: majority opinion was five four, said that you know, maybe 1342 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,519 Speaker 1: in fifteen or twenty years, we won't need to do 1343 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,840 Speaker 1: this any more, but we still think. Basically five of 1344 01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,639 Speaker 1: the nine Supreme Court justices came down in the Yeah, 1345 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,240 Speaker 1: it's discrimination, but it's discrimination that we like and we 1346 01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,000 Speaker 1: think it's a good thing, So we're gonna we're gonna 1347 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,559 Speaker 1: pretend that it's constitutional when it's just flatly not. It's 1348 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,840 Speaker 1: just not. And the argument that people like me have 1349 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,479 Speaker 1: been hearing and making stretching back for decades now that 1350 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,479 Speaker 1: even positive discrimination the basis of race is unconstitutional, and 1351 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,920 Speaker 1: then it's inherently subjective and will be abused and destroys 1352 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,200 Speaker 1: meritocracy in this country. I haven't been able to win 1353 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:38,360 Speaker 1: that one quite yet. The forces of the institutional left, 1354 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,080 Speaker 1: the media, the academy, college campuses too powerful on that 1355 01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,439 Speaker 1: to break through. And now they've got a couple of 1356 01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,200 Speaker 1: Supreme Court decisions that give them cover. Right, they've got 1357 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,200 Speaker 1: a lot less leeway than they used to on this 1358 01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:53,799 Speaker 1: on admissions. But I understand this once. Admit always remember 1359 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:57,280 Speaker 1: the colleges campuses. They are a front line in the 1360 01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,400 Speaker 1: culture war, and it spreads to the rest of siety 1361 01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,479 Speaker 1: very quickly. Right, It's not like this is just oh, 1362 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,360 Speaker 1: it's a it's an issue of college admissions. It will 1363 01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:11,000 Speaker 1: also then factor into hiring policies, government hiring policies, So 1364 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,559 Speaker 1: it's well beyond just who gets into what school. The 1365 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:20,000 Speaker 1: fundamental question is is the government allowed to pick within 1366 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:24,080 Speaker 1: a hierarchy of races who the beneficiaries are and who 1367 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:28,200 Speaker 1: loses out Up to this point, and this is just 1368 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,680 Speaker 1: all fact. People can they won't like the way that 1369 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,480 Speaker 1: I put this forward, or they won't like the terminology 1370 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,040 Speaker 1: or the framing of the subject for me, if they 1371 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,440 Speaker 1: disagree with the infirmative action. But affirmative action is discrimination 1372 01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,479 Speaker 1: the basis of race. Suprema court justices have said this. 1373 01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,040 Speaker 1: This is very clear. You fall into one race category 1374 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,599 Speaker 1: and don't even get me start out on the whole 1375 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,800 Speaker 1: race is a construct and races increasingly malleable as a construct. 1376 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,879 Speaker 1: And but you fall into a category and the school 1377 01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:59,240 Speaker 1: decides based on that whether you get an advantage over 1378 01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,120 Speaker 1: other applicants or not. To me, it's so flatly and 1379 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:09,240 Speaker 1: obviously unconstitutional, especially when it is extended beyond as it 1380 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,160 Speaker 1: is extended beyond African Americans. It's one thing to say 1381 01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:18,400 Speaker 1: that there is an institutional unfair bias against African Americans 1382 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,000 Speaker 1: as a result of of actual laws on the books 1383 01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,400 Speaker 1: in the United States, uh throughout the twentieth century and 1384 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,519 Speaker 1: before that, as we know that terrible period of the 1385 01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,479 Speaker 1: ownership of human beings under slavery. It's one thing to 1386 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,080 Speaker 1: say we gotta do something about that. That's not what 1387 01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:38,640 Speaker 1: affirmative action says now. Predominantly, affirmative action now is all 1388 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:43,280 Speaker 1: about diversity. They're not saying this is about reparations for slavery. 1389 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,000 Speaker 1: They're not saying this is about um a debt ode 1390 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,519 Speaker 1: to the African American community in this country. I'm actually 1391 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,560 Speaker 1: sympathetic to that argument. I can hear that out. No, 1392 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,040 Speaker 1: the way that affirmative action plays out now with schools is, well, 1393 01:18:55,760 --> 01:19:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, you're, uh, you're Guatemalan, therefore you have a 1394 01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,800 Speaker 1: big advantage over some kid who is, uh, you know, 1395 01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,760 Speaker 1: an immigrant from Romania. Why does the why does the 1396 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,080 Speaker 1: Guatemalan have an advantage over the Romanian? Romania? For those 1397 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,559 Speaker 1: you don't know, it is actually a pretty pretty poor country, 1398 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,519 Speaker 1: not as poor as Guatemala, but not that far off. 1399 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,919 Speaker 1: You know. Why is that? Oh, because one is Hispanic 1400 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,920 Speaker 1: and one is white or Latino? I guess now is 1401 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,440 Speaker 1: that preferred nomenclature. So it all falls into self contradiction, 1402 01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,559 Speaker 1: it can't actually sustain itself. And then you also start 1403 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,360 Speaker 1: to look at the socioeconomic implications of this, and I 1404 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,240 Speaker 1: saw this myself. You know, there were, uh, there were 1405 01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,240 Speaker 1: students that I would talk to at Amherst. I went 1406 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,800 Speaker 1: to Amherst College and we were My class was forty 1407 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,040 Speaker 1: three percent minority, and there were some students that I 1408 01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:50,440 Speaker 1: talked to who, you know, they were from very economically 1409 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,840 Speaker 1: underprivileged backgrounds, who were white, and they had a much 1410 01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,400 Speaker 1: they had a very hard time getting uh getting financial 1411 01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,599 Speaker 1: aid at some places, whereas I had other friends who 1412 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,880 Speaker 1: were minority, particularly friends who are either black or black 1413 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:07,320 Speaker 1: or Latino and actually some some Native Americans too, um, 1414 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,160 Speaker 1: because we had Native Americans in my class, and they 1415 01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,840 Speaker 1: would say, oh gosh, you know, I got there were 1416 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,320 Speaker 1: special minority students. This is true, folks, this is what 1417 01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:19,920 Speaker 1: actually happened. They're minority Inclusion weekends where only minority admitted 1418 01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,880 Speaker 1: students are invited to the school, and you know they're paid. 1419 01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,120 Speaker 1: They're not paid, but you know, they're all their expenses 1420 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,559 Speaker 1: are paid for coming onto campus and there are special 1421 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:33,599 Speaker 1: set asides for for money for financial aid for minority students. 1422 01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,160 Speaker 1: And so kids that I know who are like, yeah, 1423 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:37,839 Speaker 1: I'll be the first of my family to go to college, 1424 01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,679 Speaker 1: but you know, I'm like half you know, half Irish, 1425 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,679 Speaker 1: half Greek or something from the suburbs of Boston. They 1426 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,559 Speaker 1: were left on the you know, they were just like 1427 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,599 Speaker 1: left on their own, whereas other kids I know who 1428 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,519 Speaker 1: are like, well, yes, I'm I'm African American. My father 1429 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,640 Speaker 1: works at Goldman Sachs, and you know, they had the 1430 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,920 Speaker 1: benefit of the of diversity, Diversity inclusion weekend and and 1431 01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:02,840 Speaker 1: diversity practice is in the emissions office. So I get 1432 01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,720 Speaker 1: passionate about the subjectis you can tell. I think it's 1433 01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,920 Speaker 1: an area where the conservative causes uh is just clearly 1434 01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,360 Speaker 1: in the right, and it's just a matter of time 1435 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,639 Speaker 1: before the left loses, and then we'll have to admit 1436 01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:15,559 Speaker 1: to a scheme of racial spoils as Scalia called it, 1437 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,120 Speaker 1: and propping that up for a long time. The news 1438 01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,200 Speaker 1: story here, which I know has gotten lost in all this, 1439 01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,599 Speaker 1: but I thank you for staying with me through my 1440 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,360 Speaker 1: my diet tribe against these practice, the news stories that 1441 01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,280 Speaker 1: students for fair admissions. I've just found out that they're 1442 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,720 Speaker 1: actually gonna get a They're gonna get a hearing before 1443 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:35,439 Speaker 1: a judge in ten I think it says here right 1444 01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,360 Speaker 1: a year from now, uh in January, I think is 1445 01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,080 Speaker 1: when they're supposed to get there. They're hearing now it's 1446 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,559 Speaker 1: taken years, right, this this case was filed back in 1447 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:51,160 Speaker 1: And here's what's really an issue. These schools have been 1448 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:52,960 Speaker 1: getting away with this for a long time because they 1449 01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,960 Speaker 1: lie about their policies, they lie about what they're actually 1450 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,640 Speaker 1: doing that they pretend that they just use a holistic process, 1451 01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,479 Speaker 1: but if you look at the numbers, somehow, year in 1452 01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,440 Speaker 1: and year out, they're getting rough with the same proportion 1453 01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:14,639 Speaker 1: of minorities no matter what the applicant pool is. Beyond that, 1454 01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,240 Speaker 1: one reason that the argument hasn't moved all that much 1455 01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,600 Speaker 1: is because the only people that were really considered to 1456 01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:26,880 Speaker 1: be disadvantaged by this process are white, when in fact, 1457 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:31,280 Speaker 1: the most disadvantaged in the affirmative action process because of 1458 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,160 Speaker 1: the diversity balancing that they do for their incoming classes, 1459 01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,800 Speaker 1: the most disadvantaged are Asian Americans. This is also an 1460 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,719 Speaker 1: important place to put put in there that for our country, 1461 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,000 Speaker 1: that is all about white privilege. The average Asian American 1462 01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:51,000 Speaker 1: household has a higher income than the average Caucasian or 1463 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,760 Speaker 1: white American household, so white privilege is apparently a thing 1464 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,000 Speaker 1: that we all get lectured on all the time. Meanwhile, 1465 01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,600 Speaker 1: is there Asian privilege because they're making more money on 1466 01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,400 Speaker 1: average and white people are. So there's that. So and 1467 01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,559 Speaker 1: these are just facts. Numbers. People can go number they 1468 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,080 Speaker 1: just start getting all angry about it, but it's just true. 1469 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,160 Speaker 1: This is the whole in their argument. Their argument is 1470 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:15,360 Speaker 1: always that there's disadvantages against non white minorities. Meanwhile, Asian 1471 01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,800 Speaker 1: Americans do incredibly well in the school application process and 1472 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,800 Speaker 1: also are now the highest per capita earners per household 1473 01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:27,840 Speaker 1: in the country. Uh, and they have much higher hurdles 1474 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:29,960 Speaker 1: to get past to get entry into places like Harvard 1475 01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,000 Speaker 1: than other minorities. And they do not have quote white privilege, 1476 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,200 Speaker 1: which I don't think exists. But that's a whole other discussion. 1477 01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,680 Speaker 1: So why do they get the short end of the 1478 01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,240 Speaker 1: stick here? Why are they left out in the cold? 1479 01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:46,160 Speaker 1: And the left answer is because we say so, because 1480 01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,439 Speaker 1: you're doing fine, because you don't need the help, because 1481 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,960 Speaker 1: mostly because we say so. And so this group of 1482 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,880 Speaker 1: students is filing suit. They're saying they're being discriminated against, 1483 01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:57,960 Speaker 1: and Harvard saying, well, we keep our we need to 1484 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,960 Speaker 1: keep our it may sitions practices, sacro sanc. You know, 1485 01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,320 Speaker 1: we we can't. So a judge is gonna look at this, 1486 01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:05,720 Speaker 1: and this is why this is in the news the 1487 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,759 Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. A judge is going to decide 1488 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,280 Speaker 1: whether or not they have to make public some of 1489 01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,920 Speaker 1: their admissions practices. Now, if this were a country club, 1490 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,760 Speaker 1: by the way, that was engaged in and keep in mind, 1491 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,360 Speaker 1: universities get a tremendous amount of federal funding, a lot 1492 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,760 Speaker 1: of federal support, and but you know, I doubt there like, well, 1493 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:28,559 Speaker 1: we won't make our practices um public if it's were 1494 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,519 Speaker 1: a public accommodation that was discriminating on the basis of race, 1495 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,120 Speaker 1: which is what is going on here. They are discrimining 1496 01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,200 Speaker 1: the basis of race. There's no question that judge would say, Okay, 1497 01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,960 Speaker 1: let's let's see what you're doing here. But Harvard thinks. 1498 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,320 Speaker 1: Harvard thinks that they should be able to make up 1499 01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:44,639 Speaker 1: the rules as they go along and do it their 1500 01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,720 Speaker 1: own way. And uh, I can tell you this right now. 1501 01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,400 Speaker 1: If we get a look at the most elite universities 1502 01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,960 Speaker 1: books when it comes to how they do their admissions, 1503 01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,960 Speaker 1: what we will find out is that they are doing 1504 01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,760 Speaker 1: de facto quotas, that they have been lying to the 1505 01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:05,719 Speaker 1: public about their admissions procedures, that they are entirely run 1506 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,639 Speaker 1: these admissions committees by by committed progressives and social justice warriors, 1507 01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,680 Speaker 1: and that they are actively discriminating on the basis of 1508 01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:17,639 Speaker 1: race and violation of US law. That's what we will 1509 01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:20,640 Speaker 1: find out, and that's why they're desperate to keep this 1510 01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:22,439 Speaker 1: out of the public eye. And this is a big scandal. 1511 01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:26,000 Speaker 1: Is a big story that will have ramifications for you. 1512 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,680 Speaker 1: Whether you never went to college, you don't care if 1513 01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:29,920 Speaker 1: your kids go to college, or that doesn't matter. It'll 1514 01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,400 Speaker 1: it'll affect all of us. It has it's going to 1515 01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:36,200 Speaker 1: affect what institutions across the board are allowed to do 1516 01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to hiring and all the rest. So 1517 01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,800 Speaker 1: that's our under the radar for today. The Harvard A 1518 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:47,040 Speaker 1: Firm of Action clash keeps going on. Um, we will 1519 01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:48,840 Speaker 1: be back here just a few minutes. Teams, stay with me. 1520 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,679 Speaker 1: There are some movies that if you're around my age, 1521 01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:56,519 Speaker 1: I think it was required that you watch many many times. Right, 1522 01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,639 Speaker 1: so I was born in eighty one, and there there 1523 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,880 Speaker 1: are some films that you just if you're from that 1524 01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:04,840 Speaker 1: general time period, you know, ten years before me, maybe 1525 01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,120 Speaker 1: five or ten years after me, probably ten years after me. 1526 01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,519 Speaker 1: You saw and producer Mike knows what I'm talking about. Brandon, 1527 01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:13,599 Speaker 1: you defy age. I have no idea how old you are. 1528 01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,000 Speaker 1: You could be. You could be twenty five, you could 1529 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,840 Speaker 1: be all the way up to who knows. So I 1530 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,200 Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm gonna assume you were roughly the 1531 01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,920 Speaker 1: same age, right, what thirty? Oh yeah, okay, you're like, 1532 01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,600 Speaker 1: you're we got a whole bunch of You got a 1533 01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,040 Speaker 1: whole bunch of thirty four year old dudes here basically 1534 01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:29,040 Speaker 1: in this room, or thirty something year old dudes here 1535 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,120 Speaker 1: in this room. So I saw The Breakfast Club. You 1536 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,280 Speaker 1: guys have both seen The Breakfast Club so much because 1537 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,160 Speaker 1: it was one of these movies. Also they put on TV, 1538 01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,960 Speaker 1: and they put on TV. In that sense, it's kind 1539 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,479 Speaker 1: of like Blood Sport, one of the true classics of 1540 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:47,120 Speaker 1: cinema because it was made for like thirty thousand dollars 1541 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:48,960 Speaker 1: and they just ran it on all these different cable 1542 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,559 Speaker 1: channels all the time. But Blood Sports very different kind 1543 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,160 Speaker 1: of movie. We'll talk, We'll have a whole hour of 1544 01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:58,000 Speaker 1: a show one day just devoted to eighties martial arts movies, 1545 01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,800 Speaker 1: and it'll be kind of a retrospective on how that's 1546 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,000 Speaker 1: actually not how people fight. But anyway, The Breakfast Club 1547 01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:06,960 Speaker 1: was one of them. The Fairest Bueller's Day Off is 1548 01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,200 Speaker 1: another one. You just you had to see those, you 1549 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,280 Speaker 1: had have familiarity with them. If you hadn't seen those movies, 1550 01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,480 Speaker 1: you were kind of left out. You were gonna miss references. 1551 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,559 Speaker 1: And and what John Hughes is the director, right, he 1552 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,160 Speaker 1: was the one that was made a bunch of these 1553 01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,519 Speaker 1: rat pack movies. What's the other one? Oh, Saint Elmo's Fire, 1554 01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,439 Speaker 1: which I will admit it's a bad movie, actually does 1555 01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,280 Speaker 1: not hold up. It's you know, it's a little bit 1556 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,800 Speaker 1: of nostalgia carries it for a while, and it has 1557 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:36,160 Speaker 1: that very upbeat theme song saying now almost fire. I 1558 01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,400 Speaker 1: can't say it at all, but you don't know, it's 1559 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,320 Speaker 1: very good for those of you know what I'm talking about. 1560 01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:43,200 Speaker 1: If you google uh um to say almost I don't 1561 01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,639 Speaker 1: even know what you call it. By the way, Sat 1562 01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,280 Speaker 1: tell Himbo, you know it comes from actually from ships, 1563 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,879 Speaker 1: and it has to do with the blue hue around 1564 01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,439 Speaker 1: the ship mass that it's from static electricity. That's right. 1565 01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:58,240 Speaker 1: Buck knows things. So back to this, Molly Ringwold was 1566 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,640 Speaker 1: one of the actresses in the Breakfast Club, and she 1567 01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:06,040 Speaker 1: has now decided that she is entering into her own 1568 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,960 Speaker 1: moment of me too, nous of the of the hashtag 1569 01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,479 Speaker 1: me too movement, by writing about how she's revisiting the 1570 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,720 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club with our current sensibility about sexual harassment and 1571 01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:20,760 Speaker 1: sexual exploitation and all this kind of thing. Now, I 1572 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,280 Speaker 1: want to be very clear about this. Now, you have 1573 01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,840 Speaker 1: an actress who, granted, look here I am talking about her, 1574 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,360 Speaker 1: this is probably the whole purpose of this, but an 1575 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,200 Speaker 1: actress who was in some very light kind of coming 1576 01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:34,760 Speaker 1: of age comedic fair back in the eighties. I mean, 1577 01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,120 Speaker 1: I think of myself as a child of the eighties. 1578 01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,680 Speaker 1: I was an adolescent of the nineties, but as a 1579 01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:41,519 Speaker 1: child of the eighties, you know, I saw this stuff. 1580 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,080 Speaker 1: And she's right. She's written an essay. It was in 1581 01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,559 Speaker 1: Vanity Fair or The New Yorker, one of those very 1582 01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,920 Speaker 1: fancy journals of opinion, and she's written this essay and 1583 01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:55,000 Speaker 1: it's all about how she's uncomfortable with her own kids 1584 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,080 Speaker 1: seeing the stuff from the eighties. Now, look, you can 1585 01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,800 Speaker 1: all make your own decisions about you know, and you 1586 01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,639 Speaker 1: don't need anyone to tell you that, including me about 1587 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,599 Speaker 1: what you think your kids should watch you should not watch. 1588 01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:08,679 Speaker 1: But it's also part of this effort among the left 1589 01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,160 Speaker 1: too now be because they've got this problem. There's all 1590 01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:15,280 Speaker 1: these people who had careers that were built celebrating certain 1591 01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:18,160 Speaker 1: works of art, you know, if that's what we'll call films, 1592 01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:22,400 Speaker 1: but a certain media and entertainment properties that now are 1593 01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:27,839 Speaker 1: offensive by our current stand by our current PC politically 1594 01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,240 Speaker 1: correct sensibility. And I've said for a while this is 1595 01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:33,320 Speaker 1: like we talked with the Simpsons last night, this is 1596 01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,000 Speaker 1: a recurring theme. I've told you that people complain about 1597 01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:40,280 Speaker 1: Robin Williams retrospectives after he died because I thought they 1598 01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,120 Speaker 1: were offensive. Robin Williams, one of the great comedic minds 1599 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:47,320 Speaker 1: of the last thirty forty years, offensive too offensive to 1600 01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:51,760 Speaker 1: air some of his bits on TV. And now the 1601 01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club is also in the sights of the regressive, 1602 01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:59,120 Speaker 1: the Soviet or the Soviet Left that likes to erase, 1603 01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,519 Speaker 1: airbrush parts of history that it finds inconvenient, to airbrush 1604 01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:07,880 Speaker 1: parts of its own cultural uh contributions that it now 1605 01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:12,120 Speaker 1: finds to be too much to be child But one 1606 01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:13,880 Speaker 1: of the things that she talks about is you know 1607 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,080 Speaker 1: how how in our current in our at our current moment, 1608 01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:18,719 Speaker 1: there's a scene where one of the guys like looks 1609 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,920 Speaker 1: up the skirt of one of the girls. And first 1610 01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,280 Speaker 1: of all, one, this is all fictional, didn't actually happen. 1611 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,840 Speaker 1: It's a movie. And two, you know, they had an 1612 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,400 Speaker 1: adult body double for the seed and there was no 1613 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,519 Speaker 1: one was actually naked under anything. You know, it's probably 1614 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,760 Speaker 1: wearing basketball shorts under the skirt. Like, it's just the 1615 01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,679 Speaker 1: depiction of this. But but the notion that a teen 1616 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,719 Speaker 1: would try to sneak a peek at a at a 1617 01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:48,800 Speaker 1: another teen in that way is too damaging for for 1618 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,320 Speaker 1: the eyes of the current generation apparently. I mean, it's 1619 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,200 Speaker 1: They're not even gonna leave the breakfast club alone, folks. Nothing, 1620 01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,320 Speaker 1: nothing is sacred to these people except political correctness. Nothing. 1621 01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,000 Speaker 1: They they will find a way. Just give it time 1622 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,000 Speaker 1: and we'll be back in a place where they wanna, 1623 01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, cover up the naughty parts of of Michelangelo paintings, 1624 01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, and sculptures. Just give it time, alright, written 1625 01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,000 Speaker 1: a quick break your team, We'll be back with a 1626 01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:14,080 Speaker 1: whole lot more. Stick with me. A lot of news 1627 01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:19,400 Speaker 1: stories popping up today about sex robots. It's one of 1628 01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,800 Speaker 1: the New York Posts, the one that was linked on 1629 01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,240 Speaker 1: the Drudge Report. So you know, part of my job 1630 01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,320 Speaker 1: what I do every day is I go through just 1631 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,400 Speaker 1: all of the the main news sources, a lot of 1632 01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,519 Speaker 1: you would see No Fox News, the Walstreet Journal, New 1633 01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,720 Speaker 1: York Times, you know, Washington Post. I go through all 1634 01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,000 Speaker 1: that and I read up so I'm up to speed 1635 01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:40,160 Speaker 1: on everything. But also I look for stories that are 1636 01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:43,920 Speaker 1: outside of the the daily deluge of all the different 1637 01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:46,840 Speaker 1: news outlets that are focused on the same usually the 1638 01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:51,120 Speaker 1: same two or three, maybe three or four stories. But 1639 01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:56,519 Speaker 1: this whole sex robot thing is very weird. Um. There's 1640 01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,679 Speaker 1: this piece in the New York Post about how they're 1641 01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:07,440 Speaker 1: now marketing a uh, they're marketing robots, sex robots for couples, 1642 01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,960 Speaker 1: and and there are dolls out there that are that 1643 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:19,040 Speaker 1: are going for seven thousand dollars. Um. You know, I 1644 01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:24,280 Speaker 1: tend to be a as much as I can, a 1645 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,920 Speaker 1: live and let live guy. You know, it's like, if 1646 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:31,840 Speaker 1: you're not hurting someone or taking their stuff, you know, 1647 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,720 Speaker 1: if you're not hurting me or taking my stuff, not 1648 01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,479 Speaker 1: hurting someone else taking their stuff. I liked it, so 1649 01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,479 Speaker 1: you know, I know that's the old libertarian line, right, 1650 01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,360 Speaker 1: But I try to approach a lot of things that way, 1651 01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,080 Speaker 1: you know. Or to go back into my political science 1652 01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:49,200 Speaker 1: training from years past with Professor Hadley Archy's at Amherst. 1653 01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:53,920 Speaker 1: You gotta separate what is a question of morals, a 1654 01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:57,160 Speaker 1: question of of ethics, from a question of taste, you know, 1655 01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,080 Speaker 1: whether or not. For example, you could say to me 1656 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:07,280 Speaker 1: that the the best ice cream flavor is strawberry, and 1657 01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,360 Speaker 1: we all know that that's just not right. That's just 1658 01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:11,280 Speaker 1: a crazy thing to say. But you're can't. You're not 1659 01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,959 Speaker 1: wrong who likes it? Used to be chocolate, vanilla, strawberry 1660 01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:16,640 Speaker 1: were like the three main stays. And I don't care 1661 01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:20,200 Speaker 1: anybody says nobody like strawberry ice cream that much. Um, 1662 01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,599 Speaker 1: chocolate or vanilla are the acceptable answers there. But that's 1663 01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,720 Speaker 1: a question of taste, not not morals or ethics. Right. 1664 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,479 Speaker 1: There are some people out there that order their steaks 1665 01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:32,880 Speaker 1: well done. They're not bad people, they just they just 1666 01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:37,000 Speaker 1: don't they don't they don't fully embrace the glory that 1667 01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:41,479 Speaker 1: is a medium rare medium rare red meat, you know, 1668 01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,519 Speaker 1: which is those you want to go rare, that's fine, 1669 01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,960 Speaker 1: medium rare I think is the sweet spot medium. Okay, 1670 01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:51,439 Speaker 1: well done. I don't understand what's going on anymore now 1671 01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,160 Speaker 1: now you've lost me. But that's a question of taste, 1672 01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:57,960 Speaker 1: not ethics when you get into the sex doll discussion, 1673 01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,240 Speaker 1: which I I usually wouldn't, but it's becoming a story, right, 1674 01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:04,800 Speaker 1: It's a thing that they're now gonna be much more 1675 01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:08,080 Speaker 1: a part of the culture. I remember years ago people 1676 01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,880 Speaker 1: would make on sitcoms and make jokes about blow up dolls. 1677 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,479 Speaker 1: But now these dolls are uh, these they're not dolls. 1678 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:21,759 Speaker 1: These um well, robots are meant to mimic real human 1679 01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:26,200 Speaker 1: beings as much as they can. They respond to I 1680 01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:30,200 Speaker 1: believe they respond to verbal commands now, and they definitely 1681 01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:31,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you can look like there's this link on 1682 01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:36,000 Speaker 1: the Drudge Report for uh, for one from the paper 1683 01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,800 Speaker 1: The Sun in the UK, And there's also this link 1684 01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,800 Speaker 1: up on the New York Post is talking about this. 1685 01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,400 Speaker 1: And we're just going down a very weird path here, 1686 01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:48,080 Speaker 1: you know. And I was reading an analysis recently, and 1687 01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't mean you and me, I mean the world, 1688 01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:54,280 Speaker 1: because this sex robot thing is turning into a something 1689 01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:58,160 Speaker 1: of a global market. I'm it's just look it's just 1690 01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:00,080 Speaker 1: too weird. I don't know what else to say. It's 1691 01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:02,800 Speaker 1: just too weird. I don't get it, and and it 1692 01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:07,120 Speaker 1: and it crosses over into the I don't I don't 1693 01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:11,240 Speaker 1: know about this, but anyway, I was reading this analysis 1694 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:16,800 Speaker 1: of of the problems the demographic problems that some East 1695 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,960 Speaker 1: Asian countries are having in Japan, UM most notably, but 1696 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,080 Speaker 1: also South Korea, they're just not having enough children. And 1697 01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:31,000 Speaker 1: the analysis was also going into a a discussion, ah, 1698 01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:36,160 Speaker 1: a deep dive on what is the role of sexuality 1699 01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,080 Speaker 1: in these cultures and and how and there's there's a 1700 01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,679 Speaker 1: lot of stuff that they've got to they gotta work 1701 01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:44,680 Speaker 1: out in Japan right now, a lot of stuff in 1702 01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:46,880 Speaker 1: terms of other they're not having enough kids and it's 1703 01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,599 Speaker 1: not enough a part of UM. There are a lot 1704 01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,040 Speaker 1: of people that leave these celibate lives basically and then 1705 01:35:52,040 --> 01:35:54,040 Speaker 1: that all but but they're celibate is and they're not 1706 01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,120 Speaker 1: with another person. But then they turned to different kinds 1707 01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:01,120 Speaker 1: of you know, visual stimula. I and there's a huge 1708 01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:05,400 Speaker 1: market for all that stuff in Japan, you know, pornography 1709 01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:11,240 Speaker 1: and UM. But you know, it's something that I don't understand, 1710 01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,240 Speaker 1: what enough to know anything about in the Japanese context. 1711 01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,320 Speaker 1: I just know that it's it's affected them at a 1712 01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:21,400 Speaker 1: national level. I think that's sexual Robots producer Mike sex 1713 01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,360 Speaker 1: robots too weird, just too weird, right, it's just too weird. 1714 01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't say that we should. You 1715 01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:31,760 Speaker 1: could ban them per se, that make them illegal, But 1716 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,000 Speaker 1: it's just too weird, man, I don't know. That's kind 1717 01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:38,320 Speaker 1: of my that's my analysis, just too weird. Um. But 1718 01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, then again, I'm also somebody who thinks that 1719 01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,160 Speaker 1: the only the only part of the show Billions that 1720 01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,080 Speaker 1: I just you know, the fact they gotta put all 1721 01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:45,880 Speaker 1: that STM stuff in there. I'm just like, really, the 1722 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,040 Speaker 1: U S Attorneys into into S and M and me. 1723 01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,120 Speaker 1: Come on. But anyway, we'll talking about Billions in their time. 1724 01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,720 Speaker 1: And uh, I think that's probably the only analysis of 1725 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,880 Speaker 1: sex robots, despite all the Drudge Report and other news 1726 01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:58,679 Speaker 1: stories on them that I'll give you for quite a while. 1727 01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,920 Speaker 1: Bottom line, I just thing too weird, just too weird. 1728 01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:04,840 Speaker 1: All we got to a roll call coming up? Stay 1729 01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,600 Speaker 1: with me, Well, Team Buck, you are my sanity in 1730 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:12,360 Speaker 1: an increasingly insane world. And that's why it's such an 1731 01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,160 Speaker 1: important part of my day when I get to bounce 1732 01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:26,439 Speaker 1: in with some roll call team buck it's time for 1733 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:31,240 Speaker 1: roll call, I will say, this is not part of 1734 01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:33,960 Speaker 1: roll call. But you know, music is just not as 1735 01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:35,840 Speaker 1: good now as it was for a long time. It's 1736 01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,120 Speaker 1: just true. And that's not even that's like studio produced 1737 01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,439 Speaker 1: music that we can just play over rare, but it 1738 01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,400 Speaker 1: had a little bit of a classic rock vibe to it. 1739 01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,160 Speaker 1: And this is just you know, the fact of the 1740 01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:50,120 Speaker 1: matter is that there are not many bands that are 1741 01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:52,840 Speaker 1: around today that you're gonna be thinking about in five 1742 01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:55,000 Speaker 1: or ten years. And quite honestly, even ten years ago, 1743 01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,599 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of bands you'll be thinking about. 1744 01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:01,320 Speaker 1: But do you go back years, you still got bands 1745 01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,599 Speaker 1: that are selling out arenas and that I've really left 1746 01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,439 Speaker 1: left their mark. I don't know if we blame this 1747 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,760 Speaker 1: on the digital era in which we live, you know, 1748 01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,880 Speaker 1: the the end of the record labels. And I think 1749 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:15,679 Speaker 1: it's also in part because music now is just it's 1750 01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:20,120 Speaker 1: so everywhere, it's it's uh so accessible that it in 1751 01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:23,040 Speaker 1: a sense has been kind of devalued. And I think 1752 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,759 Speaker 1: back to when I got my first MP three player 1753 01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,200 Speaker 1: that I could use in the gym right, So I 1754 01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,320 Speaker 1: guess that would have been right around. It was similar 1755 01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:36,400 Speaker 1: to the time of the first big iPods. But I 1756 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,479 Speaker 1: had MP three player that you would plug into a 1757 01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:41,760 Speaker 1: like a desktop computer, and it was essentially a glorified 1758 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,360 Speaker 1: flash drive that could play songs and in one direction, 1759 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,000 Speaker 1: I think anyway. But you know, I remember doing this 1760 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,679 Speaker 1: and this. I had like room for thirty songs on there, 1761 01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, man, is amazing. I'm gonna look 1762 01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,720 Speaker 1: like he Man because of all the awesome motivation I'm 1763 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,080 Speaker 1: gonna get from this music. The he Man part didn't work, 1764 01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,240 Speaker 1: but I did listen to those same thirty songs a lot. 1765 01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,080 Speaker 1: Was there a lot of Creed in that mix. There 1766 01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,599 Speaker 1: was I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pretend, uh, there 1767 01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,160 Speaker 1: was definitely a fair amount of Creed. And there was 1768 01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:13,479 Speaker 1: no Matchbox twenty however, so I will just I want 1769 01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,240 Speaker 1: to get that on the record. But now I have 1770 01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,160 Speaker 1: Spotify and I could sit here and I can listen 1771 01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,519 Speaker 1: to just I could listen to music literally all day long. 1772 01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean, other than what I have to do work, 1773 01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,960 Speaker 1: stuff that I've pay attention to, but I could do 1774 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,400 Speaker 1: I could listen to any number songs and because of that, 1775 01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:31,599 Speaker 1: I feel like it just has less I don't know, 1776 01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:34,880 Speaker 1: less appeal now because everyone either I remember when you 1777 01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:37,880 Speaker 1: had certain CDs and you would take care of them, 1778 01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:39,400 Speaker 1: right and bred you know what I'm talking about, Like like 1779 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,240 Speaker 1: like that c D even though it was a mass 1780 01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:43,559 Speaker 1: produced plastic disk that you could always go get another 1781 01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,720 Speaker 1: one for ten or fifteen bucks, and one CDs are 1782 01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:50,000 Speaker 1: fifteen dollars, you know, seventeen an HMV sometimes if it 1783 01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,519 Speaker 1: was like the latest, if it was like the latest 1784 01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:56,479 Speaker 1: and greatest of Salt and Pepper or three eleven. Now 1785 01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm really dating myself here with you know, you'd pay 1786 01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,240 Speaker 1: like seventeen bucks for a CD. Alright, alright, I know 1787 01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,759 Speaker 1: this has turned into a buck a bucalogue on music 1788 01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,280 Speaker 1: instead of what I was just gonna say is that 1789 01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,800 Speaker 1: you treated that CD like it was something that you're 1790 01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:11,800 Speaker 1: gonna keep for decades and your you know, along with 1791 01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,880 Speaker 1: books in your library or your bookcase or whatever. And no, 1792 01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:17,360 Speaker 1: I do not do you own it? Do you own 1793 01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:21,040 Speaker 1: any CDs right now? Brandon? I have them, but they're 1794 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,559 Speaker 1: like in my attict, I mean you basically can't give 1795 01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,120 Speaker 1: them away now, right, I mean, they're not you know, 1796 01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:28,120 Speaker 1: you go to some of these stores and LPs have 1797 01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,920 Speaker 1: kind of maintained a certain you know, they've maintained a 1798 01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:36,679 Speaker 1: certain degree of heirloom like status, I guess, but CDs 1799 01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,640 Speaker 1: not so much. Alright, alright, roll call, roll call, I know. 1800 01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:44,680 Speaker 1: Pardon me, I get, I get all excited. Ronnie right 1801 01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,000 Speaker 1: in regard to the left. Oh but if you want 1802 01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,120 Speaker 1: to be a part of roll call, just remember Facebook 1803 01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,679 Speaker 1: dot com slash buck Sexton. If you haven't heard Jersey 1804 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,160 Speaker 1: and you sent us an email, good chance, we'll get 1805 01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:57,200 Speaker 1: to it tomorrow. I meant to do the email batch today, 1806 01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,320 Speaker 1: but I left that one on the cutter room floor now, 1807 01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:03,080 Speaker 1: Ronnie writes, in regard to the left, it's amazing how 1808 01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:08,120 Speaker 1: many attack options you have when morality is no longer considered. 1809 01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:12,680 Speaker 1: Trump arrangement syndrome seems to have dissolved their last vestige 1810 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:16,840 Speaker 1: of integrity. Hey, look, Ronnie, you get You have no 1811 01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,120 Speaker 1: argument for me about how they have a lot of options, 1812 01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,240 Speaker 1: because there's a whole lot you can do when you 1813 01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:26,120 Speaker 1: have no integrity to to protect, when you have no 1814 01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:29,800 Speaker 1: principles that you have to worry about losing in a process, 1815 01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,280 Speaker 1: you have freedom of action. So that's a good thing. Uh, 1816 01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,599 Speaker 1: jen is next up here. She writes, great show, this 1817 01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,479 Speaker 1: was from last night. I'm just listening to the show, 1818 01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:41,720 Speaker 1: and for the first time, I'm really nervous about what 1819 01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,679 Speaker 1: the establishment is doing to Trump. This is setting such 1820 01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,320 Speaker 1: a dangerous precedent. Well, Jenna, I hope you've got that 1821 01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:52,840 Speaker 1: sense from our discussion today of what has happened with 1822 01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,479 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. And it is troubling to me to 1823 01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,120 Speaker 1: see that, you know, where's the Not that I'm not 1824 01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:01,479 Speaker 1: a fan of the A C l U at all, 1825 01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:04,760 Speaker 1: but it is troubling to see how quickly they will 1826 01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:08,439 Speaker 1: abandon whatever principles they have all of a sudden attorney 1827 01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:11,559 Speaker 1: client privilege. It's not really that big a deal. It's 1828 01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:16,719 Speaker 1: no longer sacred, So you know, that's that's a part 1829 01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:20,800 Speaker 1: of what's troubling. Just overall, though, I think that there 1830 01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:25,880 Speaker 1: is a complete lack of any willingness among those who 1831 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:31,040 Speaker 1: consider themselves opposed to Trump's policies to approach any aspect 1832 01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:35,640 Speaker 1: of Trump in good faith. So, you know, whatever, I 1833 01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:37,240 Speaker 1: think there are a lot of people out there who 1834 01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,719 Speaker 1: realize And now I'm just drawing on my own context 1835 01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:42,720 Speaker 1: or in New York City, I know plenty of Democrats 1836 01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:46,000 Speaker 1: who realized that there was no Russia collusion. They know, 1837 01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,040 Speaker 1: did they know that Trump didn't come up with some 1838 01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:50,599 Speaker 1: plan with Putin? And then that's all crap and it's 1839 01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:52,920 Speaker 1: amusing to them, but they know it's but they're happy 1840 01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,040 Speaker 1: that this Muller probe is going on it because it's 1841 01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:59,240 Speaker 1: a a a form of hashtag resistance. It's a drag 1842 01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:02,559 Speaker 1: on Trump. It's a way to fight the administration, not 1843 01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,120 Speaker 1: in terms of policy and winning the argument, but but 1844 01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:08,920 Speaker 1: literally to sabotage it. And so I know people who 1845 01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,479 Speaker 1: are like, yeah, the Molar thing, it's it's not gonna 1846 01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:14,240 Speaker 1: find any Russia collusion, but you know, it's good sabotage 1847 01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:17,760 Speaker 1: against the administration, and they're they're okay with that. And 1848 01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,640 Speaker 1: I think that's an unprincipled approach, but that's what you 1849 01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,920 Speaker 1: see a lot of that going on. Evan. Next up here, 1850 01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,880 Speaker 1: it's Hey Buck and talking about social media and the 1851 01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:29,000 Speaker 1: fact that most or all large social media platforms are 1852 01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:32,479 Speaker 1: owned and operated liberals. Are there not any conservatives that 1853 01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:35,519 Speaker 1: can start up the next Facebook or Twitter? Why are 1854 01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:38,720 Speaker 1: they always liberal owned? What if a situation we're backwards? 1855 01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:42,200 Speaker 1: What conservatives try and impose their political beliefs upon the public. 1856 01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,599 Speaker 1: Thanks for the show and keep up the great work. Well, 1857 01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,360 Speaker 1: thank you, Evan. That's a great question. By the way, 1858 01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:49,439 Speaker 1: why is it that we have You know, Peter Tiel, 1859 01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:53,600 Speaker 1: for example, is a big Silicon Valley name. He's a libertarian. 1860 01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:56,720 Speaker 1: He spoke at the RNC convention. I'm sure many of 1861 01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,200 Speaker 1: you will remember that spoken favorite trump is is in 1862 01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:04,000 Speaker 1: good standing with Trump? Um. Why are all the social 1863 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,479 Speaker 1: media platforms progressive left? I'd like to say it's the 1864 01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,160 Speaker 1: same reason the media is in academia, but there's something 1865 01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:14,639 Speaker 1: distinct about you know, to be a social media uh 1866 01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,720 Speaker 1: founder or one of these companies, you had to be 1867 01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:21,360 Speaker 1: in the computer science realm. You had to be somebody 1868 01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,479 Speaker 1: that was look at what would have been called the 1869 01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:26,280 Speaker 1: computer nerd. You know, now we don't call them computer 1870 01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,840 Speaker 1: nerds anymore because they all drive Maserati's and fly around 1871 01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:30,639 Speaker 1: in private jets and could buy any of us, So 1872 01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:38,120 Speaker 1: we we instead call them, you know, social media is ours. Um. 1873 01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:42,439 Speaker 1: But you know, I look at this and I think, uh, 1874 01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,679 Speaker 1: I don't have a good answer. Let me think about 1875 01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:46,639 Speaker 1: that one, Evan, Why is it? I could probably look 1876 01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:49,240 Speaker 1: into the history of it, um, But I also think 1877 01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:54,559 Speaker 1: that culturally speaking, conservatives are more willing to or maybe 1878 01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,680 Speaker 1: even better to say, right of center people are more 1879 01:44:56,720 --> 01:45:01,800 Speaker 1: willing to separate their work for their political beliefs. I 1880 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,040 Speaker 1: think that to be on the left now, to be progressive, 1881 01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:07,920 Speaker 1: to be woke borrow one of their terms. To be 1882 01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:10,320 Speaker 1: woke is to be woke at all times. To be 1883 01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,320 Speaker 1: a social justice warrior means that you don't put on 1884 01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:17,479 Speaker 1: your your shield and sword, so to speak, just when 1885 01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,280 Speaker 1: you're out and about or when you're engaging with people 1886 01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:23,360 Speaker 1: on Twitter or Facebook. When you're in the office, you're 1887 01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:26,360 Speaker 1: a social justice warrior. It's it's a two seven thing 1888 01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,680 Speaker 1: I think about in my own life. I I we 1889 01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,880 Speaker 1: said laught, people said, well you were you work in politics, 1890 01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,080 Speaker 1: and they want to talk to me about politics, and 1891 01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,680 Speaker 1: but Buck doesn't play that game. I do this for 1892 01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:40,120 Speaker 1: a living. You know, if somebody is uh, someone who 1893 01:45:40,120 --> 01:45:42,760 Speaker 1: listens to me, if anyone a team Buck, Everyone's talk politics. Yeah, 1894 01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:44,680 Speaker 1: of course, right, because that's like the family. But I 1895 01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:46,639 Speaker 1: mean if I'm at some New York City dinner party, 1896 01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:48,439 Speaker 1: which I never get invited to because I'm not fancy, 1897 01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,840 Speaker 1: but occasionally or something like that, somebody will say, well, 1898 01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, you work in politics, you know, what do 1899 01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,559 Speaker 1: you think of the Trump administration? I'm like, ah, not 1900 01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:01,720 Speaker 1: gonna happen. You think you thank you fool me. You 1901 01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,040 Speaker 1: think you're slick with that one. But I prefer I 1902 01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:06,200 Speaker 1: prefer not to have my evening ruins so that you 1903 01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:09,840 Speaker 1: can share your share your political loathing of the Trump 1904 01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:12,519 Speaker 1: administration with me. So those are some of them. But 1905 01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm saying I separate out right what I do professionally 1906 01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:18,439 Speaker 1: from the way I am interacting in terms of discussion, 1907 01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:20,400 Speaker 1: at least personally. Right, I still hold my beliefs, I 1908 01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,400 Speaker 1: still have my principles, but I just don't walk around. 1909 01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:27,040 Speaker 1: I think that social justice the same reason they politicize everything. Right, 1910 01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:30,160 Speaker 1: who's politicizing sports all the time? The left? You know 1911 01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:35,080 Speaker 1: who politicizes entertainment media all the time? The left? They 1912 01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,479 Speaker 1: don't have a separation mechanism in their minds. I don't 1913 01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:40,200 Speaker 1: know if it's like a an actual I don't know, 1914 01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,519 Speaker 1: something having to do with their neurochemistry. But anyway, I digress. 1915 01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:49,639 Speaker 1: Uh William is next up. Um Sessions is not doing 1916 01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:52,040 Speaker 1: good job. I'm starting to think the guy's a plant 1917 01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,320 Speaker 1: for the other side. And he also wrote that our 1918 01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:57,240 Speaker 1: compliance rate is less than ten percent in Connecticut. That's 1919 01:46:57,240 --> 01:47:00,559 Speaker 1: about turning in firearms. So I believe it uh standard. 1920 01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,200 Speaker 1: Next up here, writes buck Love, the roll call music 1921 01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:08,479 Speaker 1: very upbeat, helped with my case of the Monday as well. 1922 01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,240 Speaker 1: I certainly hope, so my friend, I certainly hope. So 1923 01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys liked a little. See, it's the 1924 01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,360 Speaker 1: little thing sometimes they make the radio show that change 1925 01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:18,639 Speaker 1: up in music a little, just a little sprinkling of quotes. 1926 01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:23,320 Speaker 1: I think of what we call actually, you know what, 1927 01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:25,719 Speaker 1: it's not an actuality. That's when I play a news clip, 1928 01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:27,400 Speaker 1: it's not image. Is it imaging? When I play an 1929 01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:30,040 Speaker 1: action movie quote, we'll call it imaging. Yeah, Imaging to 1930 01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,439 Speaker 1: me is like spice, you know. And so you use 1931 01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:34,000 Speaker 1: imaging on a radio show just to give it a 1932 01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,479 Speaker 1: little a little something there. But he used too much. 1933 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:39,120 Speaker 1: Any of you who have ever had the top come 1934 01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,200 Speaker 1: off the salt shaker and you're like, maybe you will 1935 01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:44,479 Speaker 1: just be salty. It's gonna taste gross. You know, you 1936 01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:48,200 Speaker 1: gotta control the spice. Um, So stay oh and then 1937 01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:51,519 Speaker 1: sean one more your Shawn Rights, thanks for bringing the 1938 01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:53,599 Speaker 1: dubstep roll call theme back. Well there you go, Sean, 1939 01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad some people like it. I like that one 1940 01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,360 Speaker 1: to actually, but dubstep is an acquired taste. We're gonna 1941 01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,080 Speaker 1: close up the Hot for tonight. Thank you all for joining. 1942 01:48:01,320 --> 01:48:04,120 Speaker 1: Please do subscribe on iTunes if you have not already. 1943 01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,599 Speaker 1: It's free and it just pops up in your inbox. 1944 01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,439 Speaker 1: If you ever missed the show live, you'll have it. 1945 01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,000 Speaker 1: They're waiting for you on iTunes to the Box Sexton Show. 1946 01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:14,080 Speaker 1: Signed to be with you tomorrow. As always, my friends, 1947 01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:15,880 Speaker 1: we have our mission shields high