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Speaker 1: Ready to be by the Wizard of Weird with JOSHUAE Warren.
Speaker 1: I am Joshua you Warren, and each week on this show,
Speaker 1: I'll be bringing you brand new mind blowing content, news exercises,
Speaker 1: and wait here in experiments you can do at home,
Speaker 1: and a lot more on this edition of the show. Oija,
Speaker 1: Ghosts and Angels question mark. Yeah, you don't hear those
Speaker 1: words put together too often. You hear about oija boards
Speaker 1: and ghosts, but angels. Well, I'm recording this show in
Speaker 1: the fall of twenty twenty four, and so it's a
Speaker 1: good time to talk about this. But I also want
Speaker 1: to point out that it's pretty pretty dry here in
Speaker 1: the desert of Las Vegas, and being a professional talker
Speaker 1: gets kind of tough out here in this climate. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm right next to Death Valley, so you might hear
Speaker 1: the dryness and my voice today. So I hope you'll
Speaker 1: forgive me, But I do want to get into this
Speaker 1: story from nineteen sixty. How old were your parents in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty? Think about that for a second, or were
Speaker 1: they even around in nineteen sixty. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: people who are very young who listen to this show.
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty, My mom and dad were eight years old,
Speaker 1: And it's kind of interesting just to put stories in
Speaker 1: that kind of context. Because the account that I'm going
Speaker 1: to read you to read to you comes from a
Speaker 1: man who used a wage board in nineteen sixty and
Speaker 1: he started asking the biggest question and he believes that
Speaker 1: he wasn't just getting some nonsense. You'll see why I'm
Speaker 1: reading this to you. He seems to think that he
Speaker 1: has confirmation that he was communicating with an angel that
Speaker 1: was using an ancient language, and he asked questions like
Speaker 1: what is reality? What is heaven? What is time? Is
Speaker 1: their life after death? What is the mind. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get the answer to all these questions shortly. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: I make some big promises on this show, don't I.
Speaker 1: But let's just for the heck of it, let's go
Speaker 1: and talk about the wija board for just a moment,
Speaker 1: because some people call it a wig board, and it's
Speaker 1: not wigi. It's wija wijeborn and it seems okay based
Speaker 1: on what I understand. It's from the French yes we
Speaker 1: and then like the German word for yes, like yeah oija.
Speaker 1: Let's see what it says here, The Almighty Wikipedia Ouija,
Speaker 1: also known as a wija board, spirit board, talking board,
Speaker 1: or which board, is a flat board mark with the
Speaker 1: letters of the Latin alphabet, the numbers zero through nine,
Speaker 1: and the words yes, no, and occasionally hello and goodbye,
Speaker 1: along with various symbols and graphics. It uses a plan shit,
Speaker 1: which is a small heart shaped piece of wood or plastic,
Speaker 1: as a movable indicator to spell out messages. During seance,
Speaker 1: participants place their fingers on the plan chet and it
Speaker 1: has moved about the board to spell out words. The
Speaker 1: name Ouija is a trademark of Hasbro, inherited for Parker Brothers,
Speaker 1: but is often used generically to refer to any talking board,
Speaker 1: goes on to say, here's spiritualist in the United States
Speaker 1: believed that the dead were able to contact the living,
Speaker 1: and reportedly used a talking board very similar to the
Speaker 1: modern Wiga board at their camps in Ohio during eighteen
Speaker 1: eighty six, with the intent of enabling faster communication with spirits.
Speaker 1: That's all it says about that. I read that. I
Speaker 1: was like, what what do you mean? They're camps in Ohio.
Speaker 1: But look, I don't have time to dig into the
Speaker 1: history of wija board. We'll do that some other time.
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you some kind of an idea, it says.
Speaker 1: Following its commercial patent by businessman Elijah Bond in eighteen
Speaker 1: ninety one, the wija board was regarded as an innocent
Speaker 1: parlor game unrelated to the occult until American spiritualist Pearl
Speaker 1: Curran popped pularized its use as a divining tool during
Speaker 1: World War One. All right, and again, who is who
Speaker 1: is Pearl Current? I don't know. Maybe someday I'll sit
Speaker 1: down and just do a whole show where we dig
Speaker 1: into the wig aboard. But that's not the purpose of
Speaker 1: this show. This show is to communicate with you the
Speaker 1: messages that this guy got through this weige board and
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty. Now here's why I'm bringing this up.
Speaker 1: You know, for decades I have been a friend of
Speaker 1: Phyllis Galdy and she is the current owner publisher of
Speaker 1: Fate Magazine, one of the greatest publications of all time.
Speaker 1: And last year, my wife Lauren bought me this book
Speaker 1: that was published in the nineteen sixties and it's called
Speaker 1: Fate's Strangest Mysteries, a true and startlingk chronicle of fantastic
Speaker 1: people and strange events science cannot explain. And occasionally I
Speaker 1: will read a story from this because I contacted Philis
Speaker 1: Galdy and I asked her if it was okay with her,
Speaker 1: and she said, yes, absolutely. And if you are not
Speaker 1: a subscriber to Fate Magazine, you go right now and
Speaker 1: sign up Fate mag fat e mag fatemag dot com.
Speaker 1: You can get digital products, printed products. So I was
Speaker 1: sitting down and you know what, I think that Lauren
Speaker 1: bought this book for me about a year ago because
Speaker 1: it was a birthday present, because you know, my birthday
Speaker 1: is in October. And it's funny when this book came out.
Speaker 1: This little paperback came out in nineteen In the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 1: it was fifty cents fifty cents. So here's this story
Speaker 1: called did I Speak with Angels? Gustav Gumbert and I Again,
Speaker 1: this kind of stood out for me because you think
Speaker 1: of using a wija board to like tap into some dark, spooky, terrifying,
Speaker 1: possibly demonic energy. But no, he thinks he might have
Speaker 1: talked to angels. So let me I'm just going to
Speaker 1: start reading what he said here, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: skip around a little bit. Where do wija board messages
Speaker 1: come from from the unconscious minds of the operators, from
Speaker 1: beings dwelling in a world beyond? Or are they telepathic communications?
Speaker 1: These were the questions that filled our minds as a
Speaker 1: friend and I hunched over the wija board one snowy
Speaker 1: night last winter. We were determined to make a calm
Speaker 1: and objective experiment. Actually, we were about to get the
Speaker 1: shock of our laws, for we received a series of
Speaker 1: messages that reversed our opinion on the chances of communicating
Speaker 1: with the world beyond the senses. As the pointer slid
Speaker 1: evenly deliberately across the board, we saw spelled out before
Speaker 1: our astonished eyes a message that never could have come
Speaker 1: from either of our minds. It was in a language
Speaker 1: that neither of us knew, one no man has ever spoken.
Speaker 1: But let's begin at the beginning. The first part of
Speaker 1: the message was in English. Quote this is Raphael. End quote.
Speaker 1: Then we received a brilliant lecture on occult philosophy that,
Speaker 1: when written down, filled one notebook page. Well, this much,
Speaker 1: we decided, could have bubbled up from our unconscious minds.
Speaker 1: We both had read a little literature sure of occultism,
Speaker 1: and we knew that Rafael, along with Gabriel, Michael, and Uriel,
Speaker 1: were the four archangels of the ancient Hebrews angelic hierarchy.
Speaker 1: And you know, so we were. We were dissatisfied. What
Speaker 1: we wanted was a test that would definitely rule out
Speaker 1: the chances of our unconscious collaborating with the board, and
Speaker 1: we challenged that we Ja or whatever was operating it,
Speaker 1: to give us proof beyond any question. The next message seemed,
Speaker 1: at first glance like a string of nonsense syllables E
Speaker 1: C A R A F A E L O.
Speaker 3: D V A O A N I O d I
Speaker 3: A O D P I l t A. I.
Speaker 1: We first thought, quite naturally this was pure gibberish, but
Speaker 1: a certain precision about the movements of the point or
Speaker 1: aroused our suspicion, and instead of moving wildly as one
Speaker 1: might expect, it moved with decisiveness that suggested intelligent and
Speaker 1: conscious directions. So let's go with it, I said, we
Speaker 1: may be getting something after all. Well, we're going to
Speaker 1: take a break. When we come back. This guy from
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty is going to explain to you why that
Speaker 1: he realized this was an angelic language that has a
Speaker 1: basis in history that was unknown coming through and once
Speaker 1: he unlocked that, wait to hear what this angel had
Speaker 1: to say through the weigilboard. You know, it's funny because
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Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am your host, the Wizard of We're
Speaker 1: Joshua P. Warren, beaming into your wormhole brain from my
Speaker 1: studio in Sin City, Las Vegas. I've hada where every
Speaker 1: day is golden and every night is silver. A zietato zume.
Speaker 1: And before we get back to this wija board story,
Speaker 1: here's something that you probably did not know about me.
Speaker 1: My dad, Danny Warren, is also an author. And you
Speaker 1: know I interviewed my dad on this show a while back.
Speaker 1: Let's see. Oh yeah, it was episode one hundred. I
Speaker 1: wanted to do that as a special occasion. Episode one
Speaker 1: hundred of this this podcast called Strange Things is called
Speaker 1: Joshua interviews his dad about the paranormal and he has
Speaker 1: a surprise. And there is a surprise in that, by
Speaker 1: the way, because my dad, well maybe I shouldn't tell
Speaker 1: you if you haven't listened to it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to spoil it for you. But you'll never guess what
Speaker 1: the surprise is. My dad has written a couple of books,
Speaker 1: and he likes to write these books that are he
Speaker 1: likes to write fiction, and he likes to write ken
Speaker 1: I guess, like paranormal novellas or novelettes that are maybe
Speaker 1: like one hundred pages or so for all ages. And
Speaker 1: I'm holding in my hands, I kid you, and i'd
Speaker 1: just got the very first copy in the mail today,
Speaker 1: my dad's new book. He writes under the pen name
Speaker 1: Stone Owl, Stone Owl. Why is that? Well, we'll let
Speaker 1: that be a mystery for a while. You can dwell
Speaker 1: on that. But when I was a kid, the first
Speaker 1: time I ever heard about the Brown mountain lights, these
Speaker 1: mysterious illuminations, these balls of light floating around the mountains
Speaker 1: of Western North Carolina was when my dad would tell
Speaker 1: me these stories about the Brown Mountain Lights, and he
Speaker 1: loved that song. There's a song called the Legend of
Speaker 1: the Brown Mountain Lights by Tommy fail and my dad,
Speaker 1: who was in his seventies. You know, he was born
Speaker 1: in western North Carolina. He's lived there his whole life.
Speaker 1: He finally decided to sit down and take a lot
Speaker 1: of the stories, the legends and the fun stuff and
Speaker 1: combine them with some of the scientific research and write
Speaker 1: this story. And it's called Brown Mountain Lights Adventure. I
Speaker 1: got it literally, I just got this a couple hours
Speaker 1: ago out of the mill. And on the back is
Speaker 1: a picture of my dad, Danny Warren Stone. Now, and
Speaker 1: here's what it says. After losing his mother, Randy Early's
Speaker 1: life changes when he meets a mystical man named Daniel
Speaker 1: while fishing by the river. I know that's confusing, isn't it,
Speaker 1: because my dad's name is Daniel. But he anyway, you
Speaker 1: see where this is going, all right, So, after considerable persistence,
Speaker 1: Daniel enlists Randy's help to destroy the aliens on Brown
Speaker 1: Mountain near Ashville, North Carolina. After meeting people not of
Speaker 1: this earth and experiencing many trials and tribulations, the men
Speaker 1: discover that the aliens are not so easy to beat.
Speaker 1: An entertaining story for all ages, and good for sharing
Speaker 1: around the campfire. And then there's a little bio of
Speaker 1: my dad. Says Born and raised in the mountains of
Speaker 1: western North Carolina, stone Owl resides with his wife, roaming
Speaker 1: throughout the Appalachians, wood carving and enjoying the best blue
Speaker 1: ridge life has to offer. I'll tell you what this.
Speaker 1: He wrote a poem in the beginning, and I'm just
Speaker 1: going to read you the poem. This is published by
Speaker 1: Lisa Hagen's Books. I've known Lisa Hagen for years, and
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. She only publishes the best stuff.
Speaker 1: She has published some of my stuff, so I can
Speaker 1: speak from experience. She knows she knows a good author, right.
Speaker 1: And here's a poem that opens the book. This is
Speaker 1: from my father, Nanny Warren, I e Stone Owl. As
Speaker 1: we stood upon the rim from Wiseman's view and gazed
Speaker 1: to the gorge. The Linnville River meandered along its crooked,
Speaker 1: rocky path. The splendor from the view above, I hoped
Speaker 1: would always last. Across the canyon. You could see the
Speaker 1: famous Table Rock, watching over a hawk Bill Mountain from
Speaker 1: the flatness of its top. In the distance stood Brown Mountain,
Speaker 1: the most mystic place to be rising each night its
Speaker 1: mysterious lights. Only a few have been privileged to see. When,
Speaker 1: to my surprise interview, there glides a giant that I've
Speaker 1: never seen, a bald eagle by name. All know it's fame,
Speaker 1: a symbol of freedom and peace, such a majestic one
Speaker 1: with strength and grace. As he sailed on toward the east,
Speaker 1: his course was set the way the river went. As
Speaker 1: he floated through the sky, I prayed that he would
Speaker 1: turn around, but I could only tell him by a
Speaker 1: place of such beauty I never knew existed so close
Speaker 1: to home. I'd find a treasure like this. As darkness
Speaker 1: falls upon the land, while still gazing at the sky,
Speaker 1: a distant light begins to rise from the mountain before
Speaker 1: my eyes. I realize now that I've viewed the lights
Speaker 1: that have been rising through the years. A wetness falls
Speaker 1: from both my eyes. I guess you call it tears.
Speaker 1: The lights are real, and I've been blessed among the
Speaker 1: few to sit and watch from my seat of rock.
Speaker 1: The light's mysterious views the Brown Mountain Lights. They rise
Speaker 1: all night and slowly fade away. Now I've seen the
Speaker 1: views by night, and I've seen the views by day.
Speaker 1: It's getting so cold I have to go, so I'm
Speaker 1: starting out the trail. If anyone tells you the lights
Speaker 1: aren't real, just tell them time will tell. That's how
Speaker 1: my dad opens this book, Brown Mountain Lights Adventure, and
Speaker 1: then it gets into this crazy story. So how cool
Speaker 1: is that? If you want to get a copy Brown
Speaker 1: Mountain Lights BML, go to bmlbook dot com bmlbook dot
Speaker 1: It costs ten bucks for crying out loud and unless
Speaker 1: if you just want the kindle bmlbook dot com. And
Speaker 1: also there are links at Brownmountain Lights dot com that's
Speaker 1: all spelled out, and then Ridgehoppers dot com. That's my
Speaker 1: dad's other book. It's called Ridge Hoppers ridge Hoppers dot com.
Speaker 1: But the easiest way to go straight to Amazon is
Speaker 1: bmlbook dot com. Congratulations Dad, and I hope you all
Speaker 1: realize that. Well, if you think that I am a weirdo,
Speaker 1: obviously it was in my genes. I inherited this interest
Speaker 1: in strange things, and my dad has proven that. So
Speaker 1: Brown mountain. Miight's adventure is perfect for this time of
Speaker 1: year because this is the time of year when you
Speaker 1: have the best chances of seeing the brown mountain lights
Speaker 1: there in western North Carolina. Look it up, all right,
Speaker 1: back to this Oijaboard story. So all right, so basically,
Speaker 1: this guy, he's there with his buddy, and he said
Speaker 1: that he wants to point out, okay, these words are
Speaker 1: coming in that seemed like gibberish. And he says, it's
Speaker 1: only fair to say that between the two of us
Speaker 1: we do read or speak eight languages German, English, French, Dutch, Spanish, Italian, Latin,
Speaker 1: and Greek. We also have a smattering of some of
Speaker 1: the Slavic tongues. And I had once taken a brief
Speaker 1: and not very useful core in Hindustani. So this guy
Speaker 1: keeps talking about how like like he and his buddy
Speaker 1: they know all these languages and they're but they're not
Speaker 1: figuring out what's coming through here. So they take this
Speaker 1: information and he says, flickering in the recesses of my
Speaker 1: memory was a recollection that somewhere I had read about
Speaker 1: a strange language that had been discovered in England centuries
Speaker 1: ago by two mystics. It stuck in my mind that
Speaker 1: this language was supposed to have been spoken by an angel. Now,
Speaker 1: for those who may feel skeptical at this point, let
Speaker 1: me say that I have never seen any samples of
Speaker 1: this hidden language. Somewhere in my mind, I remember reading
Speaker 1: a reference to doctor John d the court astrologer to
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth. The article said that d and collaboration with
Speaker 1: a man named Edward Kelly, had received and recorded messages
Speaker 1: in a language that he learned from an angel. So
Speaker 1: this guy goes really in depth here, okay, talking about
Speaker 1: who John d was, and he goes back. Long story short,
Speaker 1: as we say, he goes back and he realizes that
Speaker 1: when he starts looking at this quote unquote gibberish that's
Speaker 1: coming through and comparing it to this ancient language that
Speaker 1: John Dee said was an angelic language and John d
Speaker 1: was the inspiration for the real Merlin, suddenly they break,
Speaker 1: they break the code and they start deciphering this angelic
Speaker 1: language coming through, coming through. He says. From that day on,
Speaker 1: the messages continued, Oh boy, we're already up on our
Speaker 1: next break. See this is why you got to sign
Speaker 1: up for my newsletter. When we come back. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you the answer is this angel, possible angel gave
Speaker 1: this man to these questions. What is reality? What is heaven?
Speaker 1: What is time? Is their life after death? What is mine?
Speaker 1: And let's just see what you think. Does it? Does
Speaker 1: it ring true for you? And then also, do you
Speaker 1: know the story of the scientific Chicken? You ever heard
Speaker 1: that one? I bet you haven't. When we come back,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the story. Well, at some point I'll
Speaker 1: see if I can squeeze it in for you as well.
Speaker 1: We have too much going on. Oh yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that they released a video of the investigation that I
Speaker 1: did here in Las Vegas. Man, I gotta tell you
Speaker 1: about that. I'm Joshua pe Warren. You're listening to Strange
Speaker 1: Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal
Speaker 1: Podcast Network, and I will be back after these important messages.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast
Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren,
Speaker 1: and this is the show where the unusual becomes usual.
Speaker 1: On my last show, I was telling you about this
Speaker 1: investigation that I did for the city of Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: I mean, like we're talking dot gov real paranormal investigation
Speaker 1: making history film by Guy Finalosy, and as usual, he
Speaker 1: did an absolutely fantastic job. If you follow me on
Speaker 1: social media, you will have seen this already. But if not,
Speaker 1: just go to YouTube and it's the city the City
Speaker 1: of Las Vegas has a YouTube channel and the title
Speaker 1: is we Go ghost Hunting with a Professional Paranormal Investigator,
Speaker 1: so you can find it there. It's a little over
Speaker 1: six minutes long. And yeah, everybody just did a wonderful job.
Speaker 1: And as I knew, of course, some of the more
Speaker 1: grim details did not make the cut on the official
Speaker 1: dot gov video, and I don't I don't blame them
Speaker 1: for that because it wasn't necessary. But that's why I
Speaker 1: did the podcast last week and I told you the
Speaker 1: behind the scenes scoop on everything. But what an honor,
Speaker 1: What an honor to be uh, to be invited for that.
Speaker 1: But also, you know what, I don't talk about politics,
Speaker 1: you know this. The only political thing that is important
Speaker 1: to me is free speech. For obvious reasons, I'm a
Speaker 1: professional talker, so I definitely believe that free speech is
Speaker 1: the most important right of all. And sometimes the Internet
Speaker 1: gets a little little wonky, little wishy washy. So like,
Speaker 1: for example, I'm meant to point out, like, if you
Speaker 1: are interested in my dad's book and you're having a
Speaker 1: problem accessing it, just go to Amazon dot com and
Speaker 1: just look for just do a search for Brown Mountain
Speaker 1: Lights Adventure by Stone Owl, and you'll be able to
Speaker 1: find it that way as well. Okay, so much to
Speaker 1: talk about, so little time. Back to Fate's strangest mysteries,
Speaker 1: Gustav Gumbert. So anyway, he and his companion they decipher
Speaker 1: this ancient angelic language, and you know, I could, I
Speaker 1: could sit here and tell you for three hours you
Speaker 1: know how they did all this. But let's just cut
Speaker 1: to the chase. Here are the answers to the questions.
Speaker 1: Number one. Okay, so this is a question that he
Speaker 1: asked on April eighteenth of nineteen sixty, April being a
Speaker 1: very paranormal month. What is reality? The angel speaking through
Speaker 1: the weigiboard, which I know is an unusual concept, as
Speaker 1: you usually think of wijiborgs as being some kind of
Speaker 1: nasty thing. But hey, the angel says, the world as
Speaker 1: you see and know it is not the true world,
Speaker 1: the world of your senses is one of many possible worlds.
Speaker 1: You will never understand this until you have experienced the
Speaker 1: greater view of the universe, which is what men mean
Speaker 1: when they speak of enlightenment. This is the meaning of
Speaker 1: the Japanese zen Satori, the meaning of the Buddha when
Speaker 1: he spoke of nirvana, and of Jesus when he spoke
Speaker 1: of heaven. Okay, So then he asks this angel, speaking
Speaker 1: in this archaic, obscure language, well, what is heaven? The
Speaker 1: angel says, a state of mind open to all men,
Speaker 1: which comes through careful following of the path. It is
Speaker 1: a new experience of the universe which shows the many
Speaker 1: worlds within the one world, and the one world within
Speaker 1: the many. So then he says, well, what is required
Speaker 1: for faith healing? And the angel says, to be a healer,
Speaker 1: one must first learn to release the unconscious, as all
Speaker 1: power of the earthly type flows from this source. Secondly,
Speaker 1: you must learn to focus this unconscious power on one
Speaker 1: problem at a time. The unconscious operates when you are asleep. Therefore,
Speaker 1: before going to sleep, concentrate on one subject. Limit your
Speaker 1: concentration to one phrase or sentence of not more than
Speaker 1: ten words. Repeat this over and over. Your unconscious will
Speaker 1: do the rest, and you will achieve. You will achieve
Speaker 1: the objective. Then he says, well, what is time? The
Speaker 1: Angel says, there is no time as you know it.
Speaker 1: Everything in the universe is an experience occurring simultaneously. You
Speaker 1: perceive them in many parts, and that is what you
Speaker 1: mean by time. And now we're jumping into May of
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, and he says, is their life after death?
Speaker 1: The Angel says time has no beginning or ending, nor
Speaker 1: do you. It is as though you walked through a
Speaker 1: series of rooms. Each room is there and continues to
Speaker 1: exist after you depart from it. Before you enter it
Speaker 1: is the future, and after you leave it is the past.
Speaker 1: But the room is always there. It is you who changes.
Speaker 1: You will always continue, for you are a great circle
Speaker 1: that begins nowhere and ends nowhere. And lastly, he asks
Speaker 1: this question May ninth of nineteen sixty What is mind?
Speaker 1: And the Angel says, the function of the mind is
Speaker 1: not clearly understood by science. The mind is not the brain.
Speaker 1: On the contrary, the brain is an instrument that is
Speaker 1: used by the mind to achieve its purpose. The mind,
Speaker 1: in turn, is part of a total system and this
Speaker 1: system cannot be fully comprehended unless it is experiences. The
Speaker 1: brain is an electronic system. The mind is a multi
Speaker 1: dimensional system, greater than the brain in more than size.
Speaker 1: It is like putting the ocean in a bottle to
Speaker 1: try to understand the mind with the brain. Therefore, resign
Speaker 1: yourself to the fact that you will never understand the mind.
Speaker 1: You can only experience it. For if you try to
Speaker 1: understand the greater with the lesser, what can you learn?
Speaker 1: And then he goes on to say, in addition to
Speaker 1: these messages, I was given many examples of independent knowledge
Speaker 1: of facts, events, and situations that we could not have known.
Speaker 1: Most of these are personal, however, and cannot be reported here.
Speaker 1: He summarizes by saying, this remarkable experience raises a number
Speaker 1: of questions, how can we explain by any rational method
Speaker 1: the message in angelic before either of us the operators
Speaker 1: had seen the language. And most remarkable of all, I
Speaker 1: think this experience has caused two hard headed skeptics to
Speaker 1: question their own explanations of the universe. For if we
Speaker 1: can talk with angels, well, what kind of world do
Speaker 1: we really live in? Did you get anything out of that? Again?
Speaker 1: My thanks to philis Galdy Fate Magazine, fatemag dot com.
Speaker 1: You know, isn't that interesting something that happened in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: Here it is twenty twenty four. I'm reading this from
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, and yet it sort of it makes sense,
Speaker 1: doesn't it. I think it makes sense. Well, I remember
Speaker 1: when I was in college. Let's see, Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: a scholarship to college because I'm extremely handsome. You know,
Speaker 1: if you took Harrison Ford and Brad Pitt and merged
Speaker 1: them into some Greek anyway, So I think I was
Speaker 1: in college and I was taking biology. I could be
Speaker 1: wrong about this, but I'm at some point in my
Speaker 1: life I was taking biology and I was told that
Speaker 1: there was an experiment that was done about genetic memory.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of this? That basically, they some
Speaker 1: scientists took some kind of worm or something, and they
Speaker 1: they taught it to navigate a maze to get a treat,
Speaker 1: and then when the worm died, they grounded up and
Speaker 1: they fed this worm to a brand new baby worm,
Speaker 1: and then they put that babyworm in the maze, and
Speaker 1: the baby worm knew how to solve the maze and
Speaker 1: get the treat. And it kind of makes you wonder
Speaker 1: a little bit about genetics and how things are passed
Speaker 1: along and instinct in all of that, Well, is there
Speaker 1: any truth to that whatsoever, that there is some form
Speaker 1: of immortality that is not just spiritual but sort of
Speaker 1: a physical way of surviving death and passing along information,
Speaker 1: especially if time is all happening at once and we're
Speaker 1: just sort of experiencing it. I want to dig a
Speaker 1: little bit into genetic memory because there's a new news
Speaker 1: story that also is saying that, well, there may be
Speaker 1: a new variation online life after death, which is based
Speaker 1: upon the idea of genetic memory, of things being passed
Speaker 1: along from creature to creature over time, that life after
Speaker 1: death is not just a spiritual thing but literally a
Speaker 1: physical thing, and that you've always been around because well,
Speaker 1: you're here right now. I'm Joshua P. Warren. You're listening
Speaker 1: to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast
Speaker 1: I am a normal podcast network, and I will be
Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back to the final segment of this
Speaker 1: edition of Strange Things ah the iHeartRadio and Coast to
Speaker 1: Coast am paranormal podcast network. I am your host, Joshua P.
Speaker 1: Warren and I mentioned that on a past episode. I
Speaker 1: mentioned that I spent an evening with Page Bryant. Paige
Speaker 1: Bryant was an author who popularized VO Texas. She started
Speaker 1: in Sedona, Arizona, and then she ended up moving to
Speaker 1: western North Carolina, and my friend Brian Irish and I
Speaker 1: went and spent a night with her, and I just
Speaker 1: remember like one of the things she said was do
Speaker 1: you know the story of the scientific Chicken? And I
Speaker 1: said no, and she and she said, uh, well, all
Speaker 1: the scientific Chicken was there taking notes every day and said,
Speaker 1: all right, well, it appears that the farmer comes out
Speaker 1: here every day about six in the morning and feeds us,
Speaker 1: and then he comes out and you know, he waters
Speaker 1: us about eight in the morning, and then he waters
Speaker 1: us again about two in the afternoon, and then he
Speaker 1: comes and he feeds us again about three in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: And I've documented this a thousand times. So this is
Speaker 1: a law. This is this is this is what the
Speaker 1: farmer does. This is a law. It's like a law
Speaker 1: of physics. And then one day the farmer comes out
Speaker 1: and jerks them all out of there and cuts their
Speaker 1: heads off. So it's it's probably not the best story
Speaker 1: to tell your child. But it has to do with,
Speaker 1: you know, the uncertainty that we all feel. Just because
Speaker 1: you're used to something and you've seen it happen this
Speaker 1: particular way ninety nine point nine percent of the time
Speaker 1: doesn't mean there cannot be a gigantic exception. And you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to death, like living and dying and
Speaker 1: all that, it is interesting to think about how we
Speaker 1: fit into this, Like we just get used to things,
Speaker 1: you know, we get we just get to I don't
Speaker 1: want to say in a rut. Sometimes we get in
Speaker 1: a rut, but you just get used to things that
Speaker 1: you start taking your life for granted sometimes, you know.
Speaker 1: I was born in Asheville, North Carolina, and Thomas Wolfe
Speaker 1: is the most famous author from there. And he wrote
Speaker 1: in his book Look Homeward Angel about watching his brother
Speaker 1: Ben die of tuberculosis. So here's Thomas wolf This is
Speaker 1: a man from you know. Well, well, Thomas wolf died
Speaker 1: in the I think in the thirties, so this would
Speaker 1: have been anyway like so he writes this. He's sitting
Speaker 1: there and he's looking at his brother and he wrote
Speaker 1: quote the rattling and the wasted body, which seemed for
Speaker 1: hours to have given over to death. All of life
Speaker 1: that is worth saving had now ceased. The body appeared
Speaker 1: to grow rigid before them, and then Ben breathed one
Speaker 1: more gasp of breath, opening his eyes, rising off his pillow,
Speaker 1: to the astonishment of Tom and his family, before passing,
Speaker 1: as Thomas Wolfe wrote, quote instantly scornful and unafraid, as
Speaker 1: he had lived into the shades of death. End quote.
Speaker 1: But this is the thing that stuck out really for me,
Speaker 1: he wrote. We can believe and the nothingness of life.
Speaker 1: We can believe, and the nothingness of death and of
Speaker 1: life after death. But who can believe in the nothingness
Speaker 1: of Ben? You know? My favorite story by Thomas Wolfe
Speaker 1: was called The Far and the Near And if you
Speaker 1: want to hear me read it for free, just go
Speaker 1: to jp w's Those are my initials, jp Go to
Speaker 1: jpwstory dot com and you can hear me read The
Speaker 1: Far and the Near. It makes you It does make
Speaker 1: you wonder, doesn't it about our place in the universe.
Speaker 1: So there's a story that came out about I guess
Speaker 1: maybe it's genetic memory. I mean, I read this story
Speaker 1: during the break and honestly, the story kind of sucks.
Speaker 1: But basically, like genetic memory, is this theorized phenomenon in
Speaker 1: which certain kinds of memories could be inherited being present
Speaker 1: at birth in the absence of any associated sensory experience,
Speaker 1: and that such memories could be incorporated into the genome
Speaker 1: over long spans of time. And that's it. Is it
Speaker 1: true or not? It's kind of up in the air. Still,
Speaker 1: it's wishy washy, but we knew, we do know that
Speaker 1: instinct exists. So I got sent this story from somebody
Speaker 1: from Unexplained hyphen Mysteries dot com. It's called Scientists discover
Speaker 1: new third state between life and death and it basically
Speaker 1: says it's not quite Frankenstein's Monster, but the find is
Speaker 1: likely to push the boundaries of life, death, and medicine.
Speaker 1: Researchers have found that skin cells extracted from deceased frog
Speaker 1: embryos were able to adapt to the new conditions of
Speaker 1: a petri dish in a lab, spontaneously reorganizing into multi
Speaker 1: cellular organisms called xenobox xenobots. This is not easy to
Speaker 1: read nor easy to speak, Okay, so let me try
Speaker 1: this again, Okay. Researchers found that skin cells extracted from
Speaker 1: dead frog embryos were able to adapt to the new
Speaker 1: conditions of a Patriot dish and a lab spontaneously reorganizing
Speaker 1: into multi cellular organisms called xenobox, and these organisms exhibit
Speaker 1: behaviors that extend far beyond their original biological roles. These
Speaker 1: xenobots use their cillia, little small hair like structures to
Speaker 1: navigate and move through their surroundings. Xenobots are also able
Speaker 1: to perform kinematic self replication, meaning they can physically replicate
Speaker 1: their structure andunction without growing. See. I don't even understand
Speaker 1: exactly what they're talking about here. I mean, like I think,
Speaker 1: I think what they're trying to say is that if
Speaker 1: you break this down, you can take Okay, let's read this.
Speaker 1: It says the third state challenges how scientists typically understand
Speaker 1: cell behavior. While caterpillars metamorphosing into butterflies or tadpoles evolving
Speaker 1: into frogs may be familiar, there are a few instances
Speaker 1: where organisms change in ways that are not predetermined. Tumors, organoids,
Speaker 1: and cell lines that can indefinitely divide in a petri
Speaker 1: dish are not considered part of the third state because
Speaker 1: they do not develop new functions. But I think that
Speaker 1: what they're saying is that some of these cells are
Speaker 1: able to adapt things which may be similar to the
Speaker 1: genetic memory thing I was talking about. I'm really not certain,
Speaker 1: you know. That's one thing about this show. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna like sit here and pretend that
Speaker 1: every story that pops up in front of me that
Speaker 1: is interesting is something that I understand, because I mean,
Speaker 1: that would be foolish, wouldn't it. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't understand. I'm just as confused as you are half
Speaker 1: the time. Well we're almost out of time, though, So
Speaker 1: how about this. Let me leave you with this piece
Speaker 1: of mental manner. My beautiful wife, Lauren, she just celebrated
Speaker 1: a birthday. We've been together for twenty seven years, and
Speaker 1: I bought her a really nice gift and I was
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to hide it from her,
Speaker 1: and I realized that, hey, I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: I can only speak for myself. If you want to
Speaker 1: keep a secret from your wife, put it on top
Speaker 1: of the refrigerator. Now. Now, granted I'm only talking about myself.
Speaker 1: I'm six two, and Lauren, I mean you know, she's
Speaker 1: she's five seven I think. I mean, so, you know,
Speaker 1: but if you put something on top of the refrigerator,
Speaker 1: chances are she's never going to see it. Uh. The
Speaker 1: odds of her getting a ladder out and walking up
Speaker 1: there to see what's on top of the fridge. I bet.
Speaker 1: I bet the top of your refrigerator is dusty. There
Speaker 1: may be a whole ecosystem living on top of that refrigerator.
Speaker 1: So that's called that a public service announcement. That's my
Speaker 1: advice for you on how to keep a secret from
Speaker 1: your wife, no matter what it is, put it on
Speaker 1: top of the refrigerator. All right. I came up with
Speaker 1: that all by myself, Thank you very much. All Right,
Speaker 1: my friends, you might be able to see I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit worn out here. So I think it's time
Speaker 1: for us to let's just take a deep breath, if
Speaker 1: you can, close your eyes, and let's all meditate together
Speaker 1: on the one, the only, the original, the world famous
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