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Speaker 1: I'm Bucky Brooks and this is Zach Wilson's three six Well.

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Speaker 1: such an unbelievable confidence in swagger Wilson spreading left, throws

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00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 1: ends on and it's called touchdown. That was a great throw. Um.

432
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen it where he either loses that

433
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: or his debt? Who he is? He's just a really

434
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: confident competitor, That's who he is. I've never seen him

435
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: lose that. I've seen him get frustrated like all great competitors,

436
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 1: but I've never seen him without his confidence. And you know,

437
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 1: he had a real um, a real challenging sophomore year.

438
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're aware of that, and it's most people

439
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: probably are at this point, you know, And you talked

440
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: about his meteoric rise and a lot of people say

441
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 1: he kind of came out of nowhere. Well he didn't.

442
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 1: He didn't. He had a tremendous freshman year, became the

443
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: starter force midway through his freshman season, finished the season

444
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: off with a tremendous Bowl game when eighteen for eighteen

445
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: was the m v P of the game. And then

446
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: he had shoulder surgery and everything changed for him because

447
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: when he came back for fall camp that year, his

448
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: arm wasn't what it was before, and he didn't have

449
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: the same strength in his shoulder. And you know, he

450
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: would probably tell you he was I would guess seventy

451
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: eight cent of his full strength in terms of throwing

452
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: the ball. But it didn't keep him from practice, it

453
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: didn't keep him from working to be a leader. And

454
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: and you know, we made him like everybody or in

455
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: his start in his starting job, and he did, but

456
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 1: he didn't have the same zip on the ball. And

457
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: then you know, he was He played um four or

458
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: five games there and had a couple of big wins.

459
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: You know, beat USC beat Tennessee early in the season. Um,

460
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: then he messes up his hand, you know, tears some

461
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: ligaments in his thumb, breaks his thumb, and has to

462
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: missed most of the rest of that season. Comes back

463
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: towards the end, doesn't quite have the same grip strength,

464
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: but he plays through it. And through all of that,

465
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: I saw a guy who was not physically certainly at

466
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: his best, but still go out there and play and

467
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: believe that he could get the job done, and believe

468
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: that he was the best guy for the job. And

469
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: so no, I've never seen him lose his confidence. Uh,

470
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: he's never met a throw he and like um and

471
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: and he's never seen a challenge that he was afraid

472
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: to rise to. You know, coach has an office coordinator

473
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: and a play caller. It has to be a challenge

474
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: to take someone who's very gifted like Zack, who has

475
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: a gun sling of mentality while also trying to harness

476
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: it and rain it in. So he plays that delicate

477
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: balance between how risk how reward those things? How do

478
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: you harness his talents to make sure he plays within

479
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: the confines of the offense while allowing him to also

480
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: be creative with his talents. Yeah, for us, it was

481
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: it was really just more of beginning to trust him

482
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: and him, I think, becoming more and more willing to

483
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: play within the system. And then the more the more

484
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: he grew as as a man and as a member

485
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: of our team, I think the more we were willing

486
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: to trust him. When I say we, because it certainly

487
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: wasn't just me. It was our head coach, and it

488
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: was Aaron Roderick who was who was his position coach

489
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: and really should be credited more than anyone for Zack's development. Um,

490
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: But I really feel like, you know, once once Zack

491
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: got comfortable within the offense, the more we trusted him

492
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: to go out there and play care free. Once once,

493
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: we really um and we certainly worked to develop an

494
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: offense that would that would fit him. But I think

495
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: he's a guy that does care about the team. He'd

496
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: love to throw the football every play, but he wants

497
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: to win, and so I think as he grew and

498
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: developed as a player, we trusted him more and more.

499
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: And this this past year in particular, there weren't very

500
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: many times when we were saying be careful, and there

501
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: were very very few times that we were saying, hey,

502
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: now remember this, it was more or less just calling

503
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: the play and then hey, Zach, go do your thing.

504
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: And we trusted him that that when we when we

505
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: didn't have the best the best play call, that he

506
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: could find a way to run around and still make

507
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: something out of it, you know, coach and thinking about that,

508
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: let's let's pass forward, and let's just say that you

509
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: were an NFL head coach or an offensive coordinator and

510
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: you have Zag Wilson and you have the opportunity to

511
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: build an offense around him. What do you think the

512
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: best offense is for him to play in? Like what

513
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: things need to be in at offense to maximize who

514
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: he is? Well, I think, first, he can do it all.

515
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: There's not there's not anything in the game that he

516
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: can't do. He can make all the throws. I know

517
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: that's a that's a thing that a lot of people say,

518
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: but I think it's it's uh, it's really not that

519
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: true about that many guys. He really can make all

520
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: the throws. Um. He has tremendous timing and touch on

521
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: the deep ball. UM. And so I think throwing the

522
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: football down the field is something that really made a

523
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: made a huge impact on our team. And on on him,

524
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: uh his his progress this year. And I think I

525
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: would I would start with that a willingness to throw

526
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: the ball down the field, um with the play action

527
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: game and and be willing to to to throw it

528
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: deep several times a game, you know, not just not

529
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: just say we're going to take a shot every now

530
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: and then, but really make a commitment to throwing the

531
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: ball down the field because he has the ability to

532
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: make you pay and put the ball right on the

533
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: money with that. But he also has the ability to

534
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: get the ball out quick and make quick to switch

535
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: quick decisions and the r P O and UH in

536
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: quick game. UM. So really he can do all of

537
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: that stuff and he has the mental capacity to handle

538
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: handle it all as well. The one thing that that

539
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: I think we really uh tried to do especially this

540
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: year is just try to keep him protected, you know,

541
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: And so we did not run a lot of six

542
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: man protection. We were a lot of seven man protection

543
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: or five man protection, with the idea that if we

544
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: were going to throw the ball down the field and

545
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: let's protect him and let's make sure that that he's

546
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: not getting blindsided, or if we're gonna make some rhythm

547
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: throws and some progression reads, then let's get as many

548
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: people out as we can and trust him to get

549
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: rid of the ball. So you end up just taking

550
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: a few hits as possible. And and then we asked

551
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: him to do a little bit of his own read

552
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: and a little bit of QB run game, QB draw,

553
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But when I did, for the

554
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: most part, it was gonna be close enough that he

555
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: could score a touchdown. I wanted to get points out

556
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: of it, hopefully hopefully not get him hit. H Man,

557
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: That's that's that's great. I'm really impressed because all the

558
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: things that you described are things that I saw him

559
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: to say when I watched him and b by you

560
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: he did a lot in terms of his ability to

561
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: run UM a very diverse and multiple offense. Can you

562
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: walk us through a little bit in terms of you

563
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: talked about his mental capacity. Always curious when he comes

564
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks about their preparation process. Um, is he one

565
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: of those guys comes in early, stays late because he

566
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: wants to know everything. You kind of dig into it.

567
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about his process when it comes

568
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: to getting ready to play. Yeah, he probably watches more

569
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: film than than any player that I've ever been around

570
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: and with a lot of guys, it's the film that

571
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: you watch, um that day. You know, so a guy say,

572
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: you're you have a Tuesday practice, and so a guy

573
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: goes home and he watches that Tuesday practice before you

574
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: even get back to the meetings the next day. That's

575
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: what you would hope as a coach that a guy

576
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: would do. And he does that, But then he's also

577
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: watching the opponent. Um if if that Tuesday practiced entailed

578
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: say all of our base down run play action game

579
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: and quit throws r p O s. He's watching the

580
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: opponent by formation. But then the next day on Wednesday,

581
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: he also knows we're gonna go to third downs and

582
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: red zone, so he's gonna be watching that as well,

583
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: which is a step beyond what most guys do. But

584
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: then also um on January, uh, when a lot of

585
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: guys aren't watching football at all and their coaches are

586
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: on the road recruiting, he's watching film and you know,

587
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: he's texting saying, hey, coach, did you see the Rams

588
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: do this this year? Did you see this concept? I

589
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: really like that. I think we could do that. You know,

590
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: he truly is a football junkie. And loves the game,

591
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: loves the mental challenge of it. And there are times

592
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: I just I saw him do things and and uh

593
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: and was shocked by it. But it wasn't just his

594
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: arm strength. That wasn't just a guy out there freewheeling

595
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: it and just throwing the ball down the field in

596
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: a in a certain spot for no reason. That came

597
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: from from a lot of time and energy that that

598
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: he put into it the past few years. You know,

599
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: it's funny. Um, last question, because I think with quarterbacks

600
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 1: it's always unique in terms of their leadership ability and

601
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: those things. Um, when Wilson steps into the huddle, how

602
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: does his leadership ability? Has his leadership ability conveyed to

603
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: his teams? I would start by saying that he's done

604
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: the work ahead of time so that when he does

605
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: step into the huddle, he's already got their respect because

606
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: they know no one knows more about that opponent than

607
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: he does. They know that no one has thrown more

608
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: balls than he has, no one has spent more time

609
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: with them saying hey, come on and come up here.

610
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: You know, on June in the summer at eight thirty pm.

611
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: Because he's not doing anything, He's going hey, let's go

612
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: up to the field and throw for a little bit,

613
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: you know. So I think they respect him the moment

614
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: that he steps into the huddle. Then he's got a

615
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: real firm command of the offense. He knows what he's doing.

616
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: He reads the play with confidence. And I would say

617
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: the last thing is he's got this um, this gleam

618
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: in his eye, you know, this excitement for the game, uh,

619
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: in which people see that and go all right, I

620
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: think I think something really cool is about to happen

621
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: because of that twinkle I see in this guy's eye.

622
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: He's gotta he's got an excitement about the game that

623
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: I think will spill over into his teammates. Well, I

624
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: mean a couple of words to kind of stand out

625
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: in that conversation there, Buck, you know, the gun slinger mentality.

626
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: I think that definitely shows up when you watch the

627
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: tape without question, and I think some adversity as well.

628
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: He had some adversity, which is something I think is

629
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: a good thing. Yeah, I think it is really a

630
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: good thing. He talked about Zach having to kind of

631
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: work through some of these obstacles, uh, injuries and those things,

632
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: and how injuries impacted his game as a younger player,

633
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: but how he bounced back his final season and really

634
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: took command not only of the offense but of the team.

635
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: The leadership UH that he displayed, and how he just

636
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: puts in more work And so guys bought into Zack

637
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: Wilson because they know he has done the work, he's prepared,

638
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: he understands everything, and because of that, they trust him

639
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: when he pipes up. I think the other thing that

640
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: was really interesting with Grimes is talking about the ideal

641
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: offense for Wilson, one that pushes the ball down the field,

642
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: really protect him allow him to throw it. Because he

643
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: talked about the arm. The arm is a is a

644
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: weapon being able to throw it down the field and

645
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: to make these big plays. But how he also has

646
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: the ability to do other things. He can play a

647
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: rhythm offense. He can do uh the quick rhythm game.

648
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: He can do the r P O s. And he

649
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: also has the ability to run, particularly down near the

650
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: red zone. UM, he's a talented player. I mean we

651
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: talked about these new school players that can hit you

652
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: with a bunch of different pitches. He has a I

653
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: mean a a bag full of pitches that he can

654
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: throw at the defense to keep them on their toes. Yeah,

655
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting when you're talking about the offense

656
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: and you keep coming back to protection. You know, if

657
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: if I'm Joe Douglas, if I'm the Jets, that's that's

658
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: my sole focus. And you know, it was something that

659
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: that Sam Donald didn't have that luxury when he was

660
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: going through the process there with the Jets. But only

661
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: anybody disputes and you hear it through all these interviews

662
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: about Zack's tent as a thrower, But the underlying concern

663
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: as you've got to keep them healthy and to do that,

664
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: to me, you've got to put a fortress in front

665
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: of him. So, uh, I think he's a type of

666
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: player that could make receivers better, but I do think

667
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: he's the type of player needs to be protected. Um

668
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: So to me, that would be the area that I

669
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: would kind of focus and when you're looking at how

670
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: he fits at the next level through these conversations, I mean,

671
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: I'll see where you are. But to me, like the investment,

672
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say protection playmakers, I'm gonna lean more

673
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: towards protection and let him make the playmakers. Yeah, I

674
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: think protection is everything, and I think for young quarterbacks. Um,

675
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: we understand the value and having excellent protection, having enough

676
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: playmakers and a great play caller, Well, I think the

677
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: play call is gonna be pretty good. Uh. And the floor.

678
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: I think the playmakers have been upgraded certainly in terms

679
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: of what they've been able to do in free agency,

680
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they'll continue to attack it in the draft.

681
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: Protection is vital because if you can keep the young

682
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: quarterback Zach Wilson from being hit, then the talent will

683
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: shine up. What you don't want is the young quarterback

684
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: to feel all of this pressure take a and she hits,

685
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: and it impacts his confidence. His superpower. Not only is

686
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: this athleticism, but the swagger and the confidence that he

687
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: brings to the team and when he steps onto the field.

688
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: I want to keep that confidence intact. So I want

689
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: to make sure that he plays in a bubble and

690
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about having defenders in his face. Yeah,

691
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Um. All right, let's keep

692
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: the theme going here at b y U and let's

693
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: go all the way up the ladder here to the

694
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: head coach. We had a chance to visit with Kalani

695
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: Sataki about his talented signal caller now thirty four Wilson

696
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: going deep, Wilson towards the end zone and it is

697
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: card Mill touchdown. Thinking about Wilson, he is growing so

698
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: much over three years as a starter. You always talk

699
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: about toughness when it comes to your program. What kind

700
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: of toughness does he exhibit? When you're able to identify

701
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: the toughness that you feel like it's necessary to be

702
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback your program. I think toughness is a

703
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: relative term, so it's using so many different ways. And

704
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: I think sometimes to the people think tough is beating

705
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: your chest and and uh and and trying to fight,

706
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, And I think the toughest man in the

707
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: fight is the one willing to walk away. And so

708
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to talk about mental toughness and things like

709
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: that that that I think really matters the most for

710
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: these young men and that this time and in their life.

711
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: And for me, it's toughness is showing up on time,

712
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: being responsible and accountable for what you say, you know,

713
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: holding onto your word when you tell someone you're gonna

714
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: be there, um, letting know people that they can count

715
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: on you when when times are rough for them, being

716
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: a good friend, That's what toughness is to me. And

717
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: I've seen him do all those things. I've seen him

718
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: when he's struggling with his own injuries, look out to

719
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: serve others. And so you know, we do a lot

720
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: of service here as a team. But it's awesome when

721
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: you see guys that are reaching out to to other

722
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: people even when they're hurting um And so to me,

723
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,959
Speaker 1: I think it's important that we define toughness for these

724
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: young men and in the way that I see it,

725
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: in the way that I think could be the most

726
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: beneficial and the way they can rope. He is a

727
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: tough man because he does all the things that you

728
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: you asked of him, and then more and and sometimes

729
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: you don't even have to remind guys, you know, when

730
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: you're thinking something as a coach and you're about to

731
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: say and then you hear your leaders say it, like

732
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: your quarterback, and you're like, all right, well, I don't

733
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: I don't have to say anymore. That's to me, that's

734
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: toughness because you're being aware of what's going on and

735
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: they're not just all about you. It's about everyone else

736
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: that's included. And I've been really impressed with that from him. Well,

737
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: I think toughness was kind of the theme there from

738
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: that conversation Buck, which is a character trait you have

739
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: to have at that position. You absolutely have to have it. Yeah,

740
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: you can't win or be successful at quarterback if you're

741
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: not a tough guy. And toughness is not only physical

742
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: but your mental toughness. How do you respond to poor plays?

743
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: How do you respond when your team isn't really getting

744
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: it going? When you're down? Can you dig yourself out

745
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: of a rut? Do you have those things? And then

746
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: the physical toughness is a big part of it because

747
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: how do you respond after you've been here it? Does

748
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: it change the way that you perform? Can you play

749
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 1: when it's a little muddy in the pocket? And those things,

750
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: And nor a lot about b y U, particularly Kalini

751
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: Sataki and how they've built this program at by U.

752
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: The only way Zack Wilson could have ever become the

753
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: QB one is he had to exhibit those qualities. I

754
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: think those qualities are also what um will allow him

755
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: be successful at the next level. Yeah, I look, I

756
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: think we we start to see these things kind of

757
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: carry through these interviews, and I think you get a

758
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: sense for his passion. He definitely has a passion for

759
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: the game and that shows up in the work that

760
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: he does, the preparation that he has. All Right, we

761
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: talked to coaches, Let's get to a teammate, and then

762
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: why not a roommate as well. Uh, here is the

763
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 1: conversation you had buck with Dax Milne. Very talented wide receiver.

764
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: Is gonna hear his name called in the NFL draft

765
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: as well. Okay, so you mentioned Zach Wilson was your roommate.

766
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about him. How is he as

767
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: a leader? Um, when you guys are on the field. Uh,

768
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: he did a great job becoming a leader. Um. I

769
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: think he really grew into it because you know, he

770
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: was the he was my quarterback freshman some year. But um,

771
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: you know with injury and and being young, Um, you

772
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: know he kind of had to really grow into the

773
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: leadership role. And and but this last season he did

774
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: a great job, you know, getting the team together and um,

775
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, coming off the field after after a series

776
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: and and bringing us together and um, you know, figuring

777
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: out what what we could do differently or what looks good. Um.

778
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: Talking to the coaches, so um, they're proud of him

779
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: and the way he handed him. So you know, so

780
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: it's funny. So we get a chance to watch you

781
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: guys at your pro day and we're watching all these

782
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: seemingly imprompt two throws running all over, throwing across his

783
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: body or whatever. What is it like to play with

784
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: the guy who can man just sling to rock from

785
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: any platform in any level? Like what does that do

786
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: for you as a wide receiver? Yeah, it's it's really fun.

787
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: There's a wide receiver to play for someone like that

788
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: that can just make thrills like that look easy. Um.

789
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: And I to be honest, I think I started to

790
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: take that stuff for granted. Uh you know as my

791
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: career went on. Um, I mean you guys saw it

792
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: the pro day. Um. Just the pure arm talent he has.

793
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: I just can't even it's just it's weird. Um, but

794
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: I just it's it's it's good. It's good that you

795
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: are recognizing the uh, the talent he has. Wilson's gonna

796
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: put it pretty a trusted it beautifully. It is. It's

797
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: a little bit tax bill on a touchdown. Do you

798
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: have a favorite uh throw, like a favorite memory of

799
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: a throw that happened in the game that you're just like, Wow,

800
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: that is one remarkable throw that my man just put up. Yes,

801
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: yes it was. He he rolled out right. I was

802
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: on a go route um on their sideline, and he

803
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: rolled out opposite of me, and then I thought he

804
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: wasn't now just kind of count me out. Um so,

805
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: but I just stayed running on the opposite sideline, and

806
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he turned and I've seen the

807
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: ball go up in the air and I was like,

808
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that is the farthest or I've ever seen.

809
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: And the ball stayed in the air for forever and

810
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: finally came down to me and I scored. All right, Buck,

811
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: I'll get to you on this one. What was your

812
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: your biggest takeaway there from your conversation? You know, look,

813
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: the actually just talked about being his roommate and how

814
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: they just always were in rhythm. They always understood it

815
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: because they spent so much time together. And how Zach

816
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: Wilson is is a hard work. He just knows and

817
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: processes everything. But once again, and it always comes back

818
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: to the confidence and the swagger that he he brings

819
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: to the hall and he brings to the field. And

820
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: so I just think about um Wilson and the the

821
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: energy change that he potentially could bring to a team

822
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: like the Jets UH if he's selected. He has all

823
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: of the talent in the world, and he has the

824
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: confidence and I think guys feed off of And so

825
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: Dax just provided plenty of examples of how confident, how confident,

826
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: and how self assured Zach Wilson is every time he

827
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: steps between the lines. Well, I thought it was interesting

828
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: just growing into being a leader, you know, like he

829
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: that's not something that just takes place right away. You

830
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: kind of gotta earn that, you gotta kind of grow

831
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: into that. And it sounds like that really started to

832
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: develop and take place over his last year there at

833
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: b y U. Well, if we're gonna talk b y

834
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: U quarterbacks, this is a good person to visit with.

835
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: A guy that you and I both evaluated when he

836
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: was coming out of b y U, and that's John

837
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: beck And and John not only is a a former

838
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: b y U quarterback, which would be reason enough to

839
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: talk to him for this piece, but he's also one

840
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: of the premier trainers working with these young quarterbacks, including

841
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback we're discussing. Zack Wilson has been working with

842
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: him for a while. Um, and you've got a chance

843
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: to sit down with John and really kind of go

844
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: through this entire process, uh and his understanding and knowledge

845
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: of Zack, which I think is fantastic. So here is

846
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: your visit with John Beck. You know, it's funny because

847
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: you play that by you had a terrific career by you.

848
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: I played with some b y U players, Todd Depmer

849
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: and Jim McMahon both we spent time together in Green

850
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: Bay and it's always been a thing where b YU

851
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: developed quarterbacks. What is it about your experience is at

852
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: b YU that enabled you to not only play in

853
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: the National Football League, but to now pass on that

854
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: knowledge to others who as prior to play at that

855
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: high level. Yeah, it is a special group there. There's

856
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: been a lot of great quarterbacks that have come through,

857
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: and I know in my time there, with that legacy

858
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks that have gone before me, you want to

859
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: be a part of those guys. You know, there's a

860
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: high expectation that's there when you're the quarterback of that university.

861
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: But it's exciting to be a part of it. It's

862
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: a great challenge and when things are good, it's usually

863
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: because the quarterback position is rolling there the rastle dassle backs. Also,

864
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: we saw this last year with Zack Wilson and the

865
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: great job that he did, and now it's an exciting

866
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: thing for him to come out of b y U

867
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: and be another one of those guys. And and then

868
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: in terms of how I helped the other quarterbacks, I

869
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: think every quarterback has to be able to deal with expectations.

870
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: They have to be able to do with that pressure

871
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: and that standard. So some of those lessons that I've

872
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: learned of coming from a place like that playing for

873
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: some organizations in the NFL that have had great quarterbacks

874
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: as well, it's just being able to recognize how special

875
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: it is to be a part of that legacy of quarterbacks.

876
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: And then also just there is always an expectation. There's

877
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: an expectation of performance of efficiency, and it's part of

878
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: the job that you have to be able to just

879
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: handle each and every day you go out there. But

880
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: it's exciting. It's a part that I quite frankly miss,

881
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: but it's exciting that I get to help these guys,

882
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: uh take on that challenge themselves. Well, it has to

883
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: be extra exciting when you're able to see someone really

884
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: blossom right in front of your eyes at your alma mater.

885
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson really had a breakthrough season in twenty Talk

886
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: a little bit about your relationship with him, where you

887
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: guys first met, and how do you kind of have

888
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: developed this relationship over the past few years. Yeah. I

889
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: had a chance to meet Zack during his freshman year.

890
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: He graduated high school early. He was one of those

891
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: early graduates and the roles in January. The way I

892
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: met Zack was his uncle was actually bringing his son out,

893
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: Zack's cousin doing some work with us, and he just said, Hey,

894
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: I really think that my nephew needs to come out

895
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: here and take a look at this. And so I

896
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: got to meet him right after spring balls freshman year

897
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: and he's been training with us for I think it's

898
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: coming up on three years now, and it's been great.

899
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: It's been great to see his development as a player.

900
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: He's always been really special in terms of athleticism and

901
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: how much he loves the game, his approach and his

902
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: drive towards becoming the best he can be. But it's

903
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: been cool to see that maturation process in terms of

904
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: decision making, also in terms of just rising to even

905
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: becoming a better player. Each year he always set out

906
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: with I want to improve in these areas and how

907
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: to kind of tie in his athleticism and all those

908
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: things and his arm talent. And each year, see how

909
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of like jumped the level, jumped the level.

910
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: And then this year, I mean quite frankly, he went

911
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: out there and put together an amazing year. And it's

912
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: been cool to see because it's been three years. It's

913
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: not something where in years past, I meet a guy

914
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: in January where they play their final theater bowl game

915
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: or playoff game. I meet them in January and we

916
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: start working. This has been different. This has been knowing

917
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: him since he was eighteen years old, and to to

918
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: see that kind of dream come to life and now

919
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: he's going to be a top draft pick has been

920
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: really cool. You know, it's really cool, Oh, Maya in

921
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: as an evaluator, is to really see the light come

922
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: on for him when you watch him this season. You

923
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: see him make remarkable plays and you also see his

924
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: confidence bill week after week after week. How have you

925
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: seen him mature since you guys have worked together and

926
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: how did it really come together this year? I think

927
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: some things really fell in place in terms of alignment

928
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: there at the university. Right, it's the same offense. He

929
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: was able to have Jeff Grimes and Aaron Roderick as

930
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators, wide receiver coach Uh Fessie. That was there

931
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: that really keeping that system in place allowed him to

932
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: grow within the same system. He wasn't needing to relearn

933
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: an offense or have new philosophies or concepts. So it

934
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: was this continual let me put something out during the season,

935
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: and then he's the type of guy that's gonna go

936
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: back and watch every single game three times and he's

937
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: gonna go and take notes every single time of all, right,

938
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: here's what I did, Then what can I do now?

939
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: And to see that coupled with every day he came

940
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: out here and worked with us, it was always about

941
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: what can I do to improve my game to take

942
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: myself to the elite level. He wasn't just trying to

943
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: be better than average. He wanted to be elite. And

944
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: he was the same way when he was a freshman

945
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: and softcore. But you know, he had to battle through

946
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: some things. He had a surgery that he had to

947
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: kind of work through, and that makes it tough when

948
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: when you're trying to improve as a player and you

949
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: have to either learn a new offense, overcome some type

950
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: of injury through rehabilitation, it's just not the same as

951
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: when you get an offseason to kind of come in

952
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: and really just focus on improving as a player in

953
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: the same system. And I think that coupled with the

954
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: fact of having some really good players around him. He

955
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: had a really good group of wide receivers. The running

956
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 1: backs did a great job, He had a great offensive line.

957
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: Any quarterback knows if I want to play well, I

958
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: depend so much on the guys around me. So you know,

959
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of areas that you can point a

960
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: finger and say it's because of this, it's because this,

961
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: it's because of that, and it's the guy's around him,

962
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: as the coaches around him, And then right in the

963
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: nucleus of all that is how Zach approached everything. He

964
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: has a great approach to the game, and things really

965
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: came together for him this last year. Man, did it

966
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: ever come together for him? When I wrote in my

967
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: notes while I was evaluated, I wrote down the natural

968
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 1: because when I look at him, I think he plays

969
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: a game in a very natural fashioned meaning he could

970
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: play on script or off the script. He can make

971
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: big boy throws, but he also has the discipline to

972
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: kind of take things underneath. How hard is it to

973
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: be a very talented player but harness it and just

974
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: take what the defense gives you. How hard did you

975
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: work with him on that part of the game. Well,

976
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: I think you know, in my in my job, there

977
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: were some conversations, but I'm sure that his coaching staff there,

978
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: like I said, the coordinators, they probably spent far more

979
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: time discussing decision making within a play. You know, there

980
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: were times in the off season that we would talk

981
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: or sometimes even in season about just being smart. Sometimes

982
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: very talented guys when they're young, they want to do

983
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: so much. They have such a confidence in themselves and

984
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: they haven't really had those scars yet of you know,

985
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: trying to do too much, and so they're always willing

986
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: to like go for it, to push to to try

987
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: to make the great play. And I love that about Zack.

988
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: And that's where you when you talk about maturation as

989
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you see that that I'm learning how to

990
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: be smart, I'm learning how to play within the downs.

991
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm learning what can pay. I don't need to take

992
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: that chance right now because I know I can still

993
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: do this. And then when you couple that with his athleticism,

994
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: at any time, he can make that game breaking play.

995
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to force that ball on second down

996
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: play to live another down, because you never know within

997
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: the game when that opportunity is to come, is is

998
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: going to come to just capitalize, And he's got all

999
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: the tools to capitalize in those big play moments. He's

1000
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: got the mobility, he's got the arm strength. Like you said,

1001
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: he's a natural player when it comes to throwing and

1002
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: playing off platform. Opportunities will arise for him to make

1003
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: great plays during a game, and you can see that

1004
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: throughout his freshman and sophomore years. Just at times there

1005
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: were those decisions of trying to do too much, and

1006
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: I think as I look at this last year man,

1007
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: he just seemed like in such control of managing games,

1008
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: of knowing when to take those opportunities and knowing when

1009
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: to just let me live to play another down. You know,

1010
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: it's funny because you mentioned his confidence, um when you're

1011
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: working with them on it, like what is that? What

1012
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: is this confidence level? Like when you watch him practice

1013
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: and then when you watch him perform yeah, you know,

1014
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I get to see him an environment here during his

1015
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,439
Speaker 1: off seasons. I watch all the games, but I don't

1016
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: get to be around him during the week in preparation

1017
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: for the season. But out here you get this sense

1018
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: that he just always is so willing to push through,

1019
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: like give me the next challenge, give me that tough throw,

1020
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: because even if I don't get it today, I'm gonna

1021
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: work on it and I'm going to be aware of

1022
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: what I need to do, and when I come back,

1023
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna want to show you that I can make

1024
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: that throw. That's the thing that I really loved about

1025
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: the way that Zack approached things. It was just this, uh,

1026
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: this excitement for give me that challenging throw, because he

1027
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: has that confidence of believing that, hey, I think I

1028
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: can do it, and he's got that little bit of swagger, right,

1029
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: He's got that little bit of like that fine line

1030
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: between cocky and confident. And I love that, and I

1031
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: think anyone that's played in the NFL knows that, Like,

1032
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: you've got to have that. So I loved in our

1033
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: opportunities to work together to be able to push him

1034
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: like I push a lot of the pros. Sometimes you

1035
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: get collegiate guys in there trying to figure it out.

1036
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: And then you get that cool opportunity to work with

1037
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: guys that you see so much of what you see

1038
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: in the pros, where those guys that are succeeding at

1039
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: the next level they want that same challenge. Like I

1040
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: have so many cool opportunities to work with guys, and

1041
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: I just I see that in their workouts. Push me,

1042
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: push me, push me. They want it. They want to

1043
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: be pushed to be that best. And Zack demonstrated that

1044
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: from a young player all these years he's been with us.

1045
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: But John does a wonderful job there Buck at the

1046
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: three DQB Training Company. Um, they are really cutting edge

1047
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: in terms of the stuff that they're doing, uh, working

1048
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: with these quarterbacks and making them better players. I thought, man,

1049
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: coming out of that, you get a sense for why

1050
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: people are flocking to work out with John Beck. Yeah,

1051
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: you you certainly understand that. I think the thing that

1052
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: is unique because John, I've he has a unique perspective

1053
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: on Zack, not only from training him but from playing

1054
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: at b y U. So he understands how that marriage

1055
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: has to work. And when you think about how Zack

1056
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: had to kind of work himself into the point of

1057
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: being an elite prospect, and how he always wants more

1058
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: and just a competitive nature that he also brings to

1059
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: the position. I just think you want your quarterbacks to

1060
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: be wired the right way, and so we can talk

1061
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: about like the intelligence and those things, but the toughness

1062
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: and the competitiveness may matter even more than that stuff,

1063
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: and Zach has that. And I think anyone who is

1064
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: listening understands that he is a very very special player

1065
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: and the special qualities stem from the inside, not necessarily

1066
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: the outside stuff in terms of the athleticism and ourn talent. Yeah,

1067
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: I mean, as we kind of have wrapped up these

1068
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: visits and uh man have been outstanding conversations here. Um,

1069
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: I think let's look at the at the future here,

1070
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 1: like what needs to take place, like what needs to happen,

1071
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: uh for us to be looking back five years from

1072
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Speaker 1: now and say, Man, Zach Wilson is one of the

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Speaker 1: bright young stars in the National Football League, And I think,

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Speaker 1: to me, we come back to that protection, right, putting

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Speaker 1: a fortress in front of him, build up a really

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Speaker 1: good offensive line. I think continuity is a big thing.

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Speaker 1: You heard that and talked about there with John Um

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Speaker 1: being able to put him in the same system, let

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Speaker 1: him learn and grow. He's a really bright kid. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna work really hard at it. I think he can

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Speaker 1: be someone that can master a system, provided you park

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Speaker 1: him in that same system for a period of time,

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Speaker 1: I think he'll get comfortable and I think with that

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Speaker 1: comfort will be confidence. Um and uh, you know, to me, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I think the the overriding concern, the really only concern

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Speaker 1: that I have for him, is it comes back to

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Speaker 1: the durability. You know, can he physically hold up and

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Speaker 1: you know, it all kind of ties back together with

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Speaker 1: with putting a really good offensive line in front of him. Yeah, DJ,

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Speaker 1: I think it all comes down to that part of it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He has the talent to be able to be a

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00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: high end player in this league. It comes down to

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Speaker 1: the system, which we've talked about, is a quarterback friendly system.

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Speaker 1: We've seen this system elevated players like Kirk Cousins and

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I would say Zach Wilson has more talent

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Speaker 1: than both of those guys. It comes down to being

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Speaker 1: able to protect him big bodies up front. We can

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Speaker 1: talk about McKay Beckton on the left side, but if

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Speaker 1: man if they can add another weapon for the Jets

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Speaker 1: on the right side to protect the edges, and then

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Speaker 1: the playmakers can you take some pressure off of Wilson

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Speaker 1: by having some guys who can do special things as

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00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: catching run specialists. What doesn't have to put all of

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Speaker 1: it on him to generate the production for the offense

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Speaker 1: that they can do some quick rhythm throws and allow

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Speaker 1: these guys to to eat up yards uh using their

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Speaker 1: running ability. If you think about building this team around

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Speaker 1: him over the next three years and really supporting him

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Speaker 1: with enough protection and playmakers, he absolutely can be successful

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Speaker 1: and he can lead the Jets into the postseason presuming

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00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: the death where he goes. Yeah, he's gonna you're gonna

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Speaker 1: need patients. Um, if you're the Jets and that's where

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Speaker 1: he ends up going, I think there is a huge

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00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: upside here. It's still got a lot of pieces to

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Speaker 1: add to this offense. But I would also add because

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Speaker 1: of the offensive line he had at b y U.

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Speaker 1: Buck and because of the opponents they played this past

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Speaker 1: year with because the pandemic, they weren't allowed they couldn't

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Speaker 1: play anybody any Power five teams, So um, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to speed up his clock is what I'm getting too.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be afforded that level of protection as

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Speaker 1: a young player, and he's gonna have to speed things

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Speaker 1: up a little bit because last year at b y U,

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Speaker 1: I mean, be quite honest, he was on a rocking

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Speaker 1: chair a lot of time back there, Uh, very well protected.

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Speaker 1: That's not going to be the case early on his career.

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Speaker 1: Now it's not gonna be It's not gonna be the case.

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Speaker 1: And so I think the big thing for all quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: how do they respond once they get hit? How does

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Speaker 1: he respond once he has to play in a muddy

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Speaker 1: pocket consistently? Can he overcome that part of it? That

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Speaker 1: is the piece that we haven't necessarily been able to

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Speaker 1: solve in the evaluation puzzle. But I do believe his

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Speaker 1: toughness competitiveness appears to give him enough to be able

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Speaker 1: to do it. I think it's important what you hit

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Speaker 1: on um repeatedly. When it comes to the Jets, the

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Speaker 1: protection is everything. You have to put a fortunes in

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Speaker 1: front of him to really maximize who you think he

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Speaker 1: can be at the next level. Absolutely well, this has

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Speaker 1: been a fun project. Somebody that we didn't know a

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Speaker 1: whole lot about prior to this last football season. It's

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Speaker 1: happened really the last few years. We've seen it with

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00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: the Kyler Murray kind of vaulting his way up into

1144
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: the top pick. You talk about Joe Burrow last year,

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Speaker 1: Zack Wilson and presumptive number two overall pick. These guys

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00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 1: were not household names coming into their final college season,

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Speaker 1: so I felt like this is a great learning exercise

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Speaker 1: here for all of us to learn a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about Zack Wilson and this Zach Wilson three sixty episode.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed it as much as

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Speaker 1: we have. Uh, we will catch you next time right

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Speaker 1: here on. Move the sticks.