WEBVTT - 1145 | MLB Trade Deadline Preview: Most Valuable Assets Available 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:17.720 God is a record. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:34.080 Bring we will sue you to the gunner. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:42.800 Welcome, The Just Baseball Show is live. Thank you so 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:47.240 much for joining us. Jack McMullin, arm label right, fakel Stude, Peyton, 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:50.680 Jesus here with you as always, and we've got our 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:54.920 MLB trade deadline preview on the horizon. It is live 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.600 at just baseball dot com. You should go check that out. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:01.240 Where they have power ring to be top fifty most 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:06.040 valuable assets possibly available at the deadline is Byronston in there. 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.280 I don't know is Byron Buxton mentioned at the end 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.920 of the article for sure? Why? As he mentioned, you've 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.800 got to go read it to find out. So it's 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.640 a very layered description in primer for the MLB trade deadline, 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.640 of course, with the one through fifty ranking of trade assets. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.119 So what we're gonna do today, We're gonna talk about 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.080 the most valuable trade assets, the top ten to fifteen 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.840 most valuable pieces that could be on the move at 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.679 the trade deadline, which I believe is nine days away 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.400 at this point. And then we are also going to 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:38.679 get into the rental starter market. How hard is bullpen 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:40.440 help going to be to come by? And then I 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.360 think the catcher conundrum is fascinating and we can really 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.319 dive into that. But you and the editorial team have 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:51.600 done obviously a kick ass job with this. Again, the deadline. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.720 Do you feel like that's where you cook the most 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:55.920 over the course of a single season. It feels like 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.000 you really live for the trade deadline. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.800 Yeah, you know, me and Klais Noden, we felt like 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.680 it was old JB days. We felt like it was 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:04.480 twenty twenty one. Again. We were about to hop on 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.560 the State of the Division podcast and talk about all 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.160 thirty teams. We wrote eight thousand plus words on this 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.240 and shout out to Clay again for carrying a lot 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.120 of that heavy lifting on the right up side. Well, 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.239 I kind of handled the ranking side of it, but yeah, 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.440 the deadline is my time off season, you know, the 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.560 transaction stuff. That's what I live for. And this was 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.040 a labor of love to spend this much time on 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.320 something and you know, care too much about who was 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:31.400 ranked thirty fourth and thirty fifth on this list. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.040 If you extra days, fuxture days for it to breathe. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:36.840 We got the August third deadline this year. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.639 Yeah, I know, I know, the random August third deadline. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:42.519 I like that they laid it out this year. I 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.200 don't think there's any games played, so it should be 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.560 a nice, crazy Monday for us when everything starts to unfold. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.960 So I guess we're like, what eleven days away then, yeah, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.799 because today is Wednesday, July twenty second, that we got 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.600 August third, which is a Monday, So you pretty much 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.839 have a week and a half to decide if these 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.919 teams are going in the buying and selling direction. What 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:08.040 we've seen teams overall kind of change the outlook of 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.080 their season over the course of the last two weeks. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:11.959 And there are teams slipping and sliding. There are teams 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.000 that are climbing the Boston Red Sox, slipping and sliding 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.680 the Toronto Blue Jays. But it is really interesting to 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.360 kind of keep tabs because I think I was reading 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.320 yesterday twenty three of the thirty teams in Major League 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.160 Baseball are within five games of a postseason spot. Twenty 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:34.120 three of thirty or within five games. Five games used 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.400 to be like be this barometer of if you're within 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.120 five games, you're probably gonna buy and go for it. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.040 So arm I want to kick it to you and 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:42.640 then we'll kind of go piece by piece for these 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.760 valuable assets, Like do you expect that number to go 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.480 down or do you expect this deadline to be underwhelming? 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.720 Because if twenty three teams actually think they're in it, 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:53.080 nothing's gonna happen. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:57.040 I think it's gonna be underwhelming, with the caveat that 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.440 we might just get some crazy big lea for big 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.160 leaguer deal. So I asked some people about the big 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.720 leaguer people and I immediately get it shot down like, oh, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:08.960 those never happened, right, And I agree they don't happen, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.760 But if they ever were to really happen, I feel 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.680 like it's gotta be this year now, Like this is 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:18.400 if you're not a seller, which there's not many of, 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.960 but you're not a full fledged buyer, what better way 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:23.680 than to just trade from the big league team to 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:26.040 assess a need elsewhere? And I think you have a 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.080 couple of teams where in theory that would make more sense, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.039 but you have teams that could actually do it. We 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:32.600 talk about the Mariners all the time, but I think 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.680 there's several other teams, Like a J. Prower is gonna 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.279 very much, but we're going to talk about that position 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.240 himself to do it. I think you've even heard like 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:40.960 from the Marlins and they got to snap the skid. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.359 But all the reports have been, hey, you know, we 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:44.760 want to trade a little bit. If we're going to 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.640 make some moves from the big league team to maybe 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.440 address the big league team. I think it's gonna happen 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:53.560 this year, and maybe we don't get the blockbuster like 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.159 you know, NBA type of trades that you see, but 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.799 I do think that's the one way that this deadline 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:00.279 could get spiced up a little bit more. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.640 Yeah, so we'll see what happens here. I do want 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.280 to take us into the top fifteen most valuable assets 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.240 that Just baseball dot com has listed. Again, this article 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.080 is live on Just baseball dot com. It will be 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:13.560 linked to the episode description as well, but it is 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.640 the top story on Just baseball dot com. Just go 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:17.800 to it in your browser and you will find it 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.560 at the tippy top of your page, whether it's on 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.920 your phone or laptop or iPad or tablet, whatever you 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:26.200 may choose to use and scroll the internet. I think 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:29.760 before we get into like actual names of one through fifteen, 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.400 how do you look at it? Because spoiler alert schoobles 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.520 five a lot of people would look at the back 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.680 to back American League, say Yaga Award winner and say, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.200 how is he not one or two? But you clearly 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:45.840 value years of control. Teams very clearly value years of control. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.080 Fangrafs is doing their annual series right now where they're 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.240 kind of ranking the most valuable assets in baseball, like 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.960 Drake Baldwin for the sake of the exercises like the 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.240 thirty first most valuable player in baseball in terms of 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.000 if everybody was on the trademarket. So how do you 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:05.760 balance overall talent and years of control to kind of 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.440 go into this cocktail that is trade value. 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:10.800 So I think the one thing that I wanted to 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.080 do here because you can look right now, you could 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.680 check out Jeff Patson's ranking and what they're doing over 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.159 there at ESPN, and that comes with a lot of 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.600 reporting from pass and it gives you the likelihood of 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.800 guys getting traded. Then it's also a ranking of who's 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.359 just the best players that can be acquired. What I 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.440 wanted to do with this list is to assess value, 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.320 and I think part of the things that we don't 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.680 talk about that much when it comes to players getting traded. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.240 One it's years of control, is definitely going to boost 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:41.760 their trade value and pretty significantly. Like Terrek, Schoolble is amazing, 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:43.960 and the fact that he's even in the top five 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.760 as a rental there's part of me that was wondering, 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.279 is he too high because there's other guys that have control, 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.479 you know, is we'll get into a minute, but is 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.800 Schoolble more valuable than read debt nerves because he comes 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.640 with two and a half years of control. So that 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.760 was one balance. The other thing is money, and that's 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:00.440 the thing that I think a lot of times we 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.880 forget and that's why I put the contract right here 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.480 because as much as you might prefer a Kevin Gossman 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.400 over a Freddy Peralta, there's teams out there that say, well, 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.640 Kevin Gosman's making pro rated from the twenty three million 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.600 compared to Freddy Perlta at the eight million, and these 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.840 are both veteran pitchers, and we'll roll the dice on 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.520 Freddy because it costs less money. So that was part 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.920 of how these rankings come together. The other thing, I 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.240 will say, just getting back to the uncertainty of this 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.200 deadline and so many teams in the middle this list 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:33.600 looked a lot worse a couple days ago because I 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.080 didn't have the Padres guys on here. I didn't have 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.360 the Blue Jays guys on here. And at a certain point, 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.160 there's some teams that just feel like, all right, we 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.920 need to include these these for one, to just make 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.160 the lists look better, but also we need to include 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:48.760 these teams so that we can kind of understand, yeah, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:52.360 maybe the Padres should sell because hey, they have four 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.880 really valuable trade assets that they can they can shop here. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.120 So that was another big thing with this list, was 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.800 trying to decide which teams to include. And when you're 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.120 reading at the end, there's a list of teams that 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.200 we did not consider, like a Roldist, Chapmans not on 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:07.960 this list, with think the Red Sox are going to buy. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.440 There's some players done on the bottom too, where it's 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.800 guys that are unlikely to be sold low on. And 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.760 then there's also a grouping like Hunter Goodman. We'll talk 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.760 about him with the Catchers in a little bit. He's 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.720 not in the top fifty because I don't know if 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.400 a team is going to meet the value of Hunter 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.480 Goodman with three and a half years of control. So 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.160 that's how he kind of came down to fifty names, 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.880 and if you read the whole article, almost every name 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:33.040 that you can think of is going to be listed somewhere. 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.440 They just might not all be in that top fifty. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.200 Arm you gave the nod of approval and the kind 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.839 of vocal mm like them of approval. When when a 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.200 Fink mentioned money, why is money such a big caveat here? 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.199 I think it's the biggest aspect of the scooball component 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.400 in particular, and we've talked about that a little bit 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.400 on the show in the past, and that's why I 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:55.240 love the rankings that we have out right now, because 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.520 I think it just accounts for all of those things 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.719 really well. Where if you trade for two school, yeah 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.040 it's Terek scouple and you might think, you know, in theory, oh, 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.360 ten million dollars like no brainer for Terrek Schouble the 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.199 rest of the way, ten million for a rental is 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.000 a lot of money, no brainer if you have the 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.320 ability to do it. But think about how many gms 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.120 have to then go sell that to ownership, like you 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.079 better be damn sure you're making the playoffs if you're 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.920 paying not only what the prospect return is going to 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.079 be for a school, then ten million that could eat 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.280 into I don't know how every time operates, but that 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.000 could eat into what's available for you in free agency 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.040 the next year if you guys don't make the playoffs, 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.520 like it really does compound it, and it also shortens 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.040 the list of teams that can pull this trade off, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.000 which is what we've talked about now. I think about 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.960 the Rays historically, that could have been something that eliminates him. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.000 With this new ownership group, I think it's something that 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.719 they might leverage here and say, here's our chance to 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.640 swing for the fences. But traditionally, speaking like that could 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.640 have been something that disqualifies a race team that has 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.600 the prospect capital. So you don't create the bidding war 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.080 necessarily because several teams may just disqualify themselves by saying 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.200 we're not taking on ten million dollars for the rest 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.120 of this season. That's more than some teams pay, you know, 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:04.079 free agents for a whole season. So I think that 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.200 part's really important, especially with other teams that are up 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.920 against the CBT. Like for the sake of argument, let's 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.560 say the Astros were in on Schooble and they could 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.679 pull off the deal if they don't have enough wiggle 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.920 room up to the CBT, like they're not gonna pay. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.000 I don't know exactly what the tax rate would be, 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:21.800 but it will be more than ten now to pull 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.480 that off, So it is limiting, I think for teams. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.720 And I also think it's part of the reason why 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.319 I still wonder if the Tigers are gonna be able 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.559 to pull this off, because if even if there's a 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.120 sniff of salary dump in the respect that it's just, hey, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.080 you didn't get the return that you thought, you might 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:40.520 as well just hold on to them at that point, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.120 And how many teams are gonna be lining up to 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.800 give you the prospect return that a player of his 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.160 caliber demands, even as a rental and taking on the money. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:49.839 I think there's a stalemate here. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.040 Someone's gonna need to pony up, and I'd be curious 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:54.680 to see what that looks like. And to the point 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.280 that we were initially discussing, it feels very likely that 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.000 if Schooble is on the move, there's a good Big 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.480 leagueer going back to Detroit in return, because Detroit, mind you, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.920 is not far off. We thought they were the class 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.400 of the American League Central coming into this year, it's 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:15.040 been incredibly disappointing. There are a whole bunch of different 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.719 ways that Detroit can get good big league players in 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:22.000 return for Trek schoolbel and maybe that offset's a little 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.640 bit of the cash. But without further ado, it's time 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.960 to get into the top ten to fifteen most valuable 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.640 trade assets according to Just Baseball dot Com. Ryan Finkelstein, 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.520 I'll let you take us through this man, because the 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.880 top dog is a fascinating discussion. I'm sure we will 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.880 talk plenty more about bullpen arms a little bit later 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.319 on in the program. But how did you see the 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:43.920 top ten to fifteen unfold? 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.240 Well, I think starting off with like the top three, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.040 the guys that stood out to me, Mason Miller late edition, 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.680 just because Jeff Passer reported that the pods are listening, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:12:00.079 and I completely understand why they would consider it. I 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.000 also understand why it's going to be tough to move him. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.280 But you're talking about a guy who's three and a 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:07.480 half years of control, a team that is very much 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.839 in the middle right now, and also a market that 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:11.400 we'll get into layer that does not have a lot 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.439 of relievers. So Mason Miller was number one Zach Netto 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:17.640 number two Neto also three and a half years of control, 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.520 also a lad addition to this list for Neto another one. 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.040 Recent reporting suggests that angels will listen. I wrote multiple 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.480 times in the rite up, I said, I just don't 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.480 know how many twenty five year old shortstops with three 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.000 and a half years of control get traded. But because 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.360 of that, he's very valuable, and so he's high up 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.080 on this list. Joe Ryan number three because the difference 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.800 between Joe Ryan and School bol it's twofold. One, it's 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:44.600 a year and a half of control. Two. He's only 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.760 making six point one million this season. He's got a 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.160 thirteen million dollar mutual option for next season. If he 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.400 decides it can make more in arbitration, which I don't 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.760 know if he would get that much more. He can 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.480 decide to not pick up his end of it and 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.959 go through arb but either I think you're kind of 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.960 set with what that's gonna look like for Joe Ryan, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:07.320 probably around twenty million dollars for a year and a half, 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:10.079 and I think that's a lot more valuable than School. 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.559 So I guess we can maybe start with those three 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:12.400 and move on from there. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.440 There are plenty of famous examples of starting pitchers having 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:19.480 one blow up start or one amazing start before the 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.520 deadline and it heavily impacting their value. I think about 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.480 Cole Hammil's throwing a no hitter right before the trade deadline. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:28.760 If I'm not mistaken, that was what early to mid 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.280 twenty tens, and then he gets moved for a much 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.080 greater haul than he would have been moved for four 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.839 days prior. With Joe Ryan, who allowed six homers on 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.199 Monday to the Cleveland Guardians, P D Halpin hit two 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.760 of them. Do you think that docks Joe Ryan's value 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.040 at all? Yes? Or no? Arm Leighton, I. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.200 Don't think so. I think you'd have to do it again. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.520 Not that bad, but just have another PD help another 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:54.320 multi homer day. 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.960 Yeah then I think so. But yeah, it just could 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.520 be one of those days where verdy fastball guy just 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.079 leaves didn't sound too much and hanks a couple of 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.400 the breaking balls and it's just a rough one. But yeah, 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:06.960 I mean if he has another one, like, you don't 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.319 want to slump right into that for a team that 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.040 was already on the fence, like they're gonna need to 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.880 be absolutely wowed I think to do it anyways, So 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.640 I think the only way that the Twins really move him, 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.360 I think is if they which I think they should. 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.960 But it's also hard. We talk about these teams and 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:25.640 where they're at, and just I think the next week 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.160 or so will determine that just how the Twins play, 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:29.680 who all of a sudden now are back the four 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.960 under five hundred. But I think, assuming he doesn't have 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.880 another bad starter too, I just think that the bulk 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:40.760 sample of Joe Ryan and just how consistent he has been, uh, ultimately, 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.320 I don't think will affect it too too much. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.640 Interesting that I think you think Joe Ryan is a 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.440 more valuable asset than school, But this is probably controlling 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.400 money coming into play, right and Ryan is getting a 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.560 little bit steeper I guess in price tag, but at 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.480 the end of the day, like that year is doing 0:14:58.520 --> 0:14:59.400 a lot of heavy lifting. 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.000 No one hundred percent. I mean again, it's the combination 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.800 of the money side of it. I think Joe Ryan 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:09.800 at only six million this year, that that barrier of entry, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:11.840 that that's going to open up a lot more teams 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.760 being able to call on him. As you know I 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.040 mentioned with Schoogle, you could be looking at two or 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.120 three teams that can actually really, you know, viably do 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.160 it on the combination of prospects and money. The other 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.360 thing is, I just look at Joe Ryan and I 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.920 feel like this year he's been healthy all year. He 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.480 gives you that upside. And I think for a team 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.960 that's going to give up the type of return to 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:38.600 get one of these pitchers, having the extray of control, 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:42.080 even with the looming lockout, I still think that that's 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.840 going to help a GM put that prospect they really 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.960 don't want to trade on the table because at least 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.280 they have two playoff runs with him. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.120 And it also sets up your rotation at such a 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.680 low cost. So whatever your budget is presumably for the 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:58.520 off season, once we have the off season, you can 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:00.840 address rotation. And also we talk about free agency and 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.560 how bad it is like you may have to overpay 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:05.560 for a picture that's going to be lesser than Joe Ryan. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.080 How nice to have Joe Ryan for about a year 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.040 and a quarter at less than twenty million dollars, literally 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.800 less than the qualifying offer. You're gonna get two playoff 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.200 runs with Joe Ryan. So I think that's where a 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.760 lot of teams could you know Pony up and if 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.960 the Twins get offered, you know, Sean down Hue puts 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.080 a great question one of our awesome writers just baseball, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.240 like could Atlanta be a sneaky team for Joe Ryan? 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.200 Like if they offer you controllable starters, like if you 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:35.440 get offered JR. Ritchie or whatever, it may be all 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:37.000 of a sudden. I think the Twins just when you 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:38.680 when you when you put it in the model and 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.400 you look about you look at your present and your future, 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.360 it becomes hard to say say no to you know, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:44.440 those controllable arms. 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:48.440 Griffin Jacks was hard to move until what TDZ Bradley 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.240 was on the table right Like there, those are really 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.920 interesting names. And I saw Ken Rosenthals reporting you know 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:59.520 about long term uh you know, younger starting pitchers that 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.680 could trade chips in a schoobl conversation, right like Emmitt 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.920 Sheen with the Dodgers. Who else to the fl listed 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.880 painter with the Phillies. Guys like that. Those are really 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.719 interesting names that could be available or somewhat available at 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.440 the deadline real quick. On number two, Zach Netto, I 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.240 think the Angels should move a lot. That's the one 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.040 guy I would yeah, if I were the angels, and 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.320 it's amazing that they're willing to listen on Netto. We're 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.960 gonna get into the Catcher conversation momentarily, and I'm gonna 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.720 pour some cold water on the Catcher market in a moment. 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.600 But I guess I'm pouring cold water on the first 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:40.920 one here. I really don't understand why Ardi Moreno, who 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.760 hugs det Meers and Soriano and doesn't move rental O 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.200 Tani is even thinking about moving as Zach Netto. Does 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:49.040 that make any sense to you? 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.720 Are No, it doesn't really, because like I think you 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:54.680 could listen, especially in the world where like it sounds 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.720 like the Astros aren't gonna trade Jeremy Panine. It's like 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.480 you could just say, hey, we've got the one controllable 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:05.119 shortstop on the market. Wow us, you know, just just 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.440 give me the most ridiculous off forever. They don't get it, 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.000 and it is what it is. It's also off a 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.800 year where Netto's swinging and missing more than ever, and 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.920 I think you're still very productive. I love Zach Meto, 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.120 always have since he was a prospect, which wasn't very long. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.680 But I just I could understand just saying, hey, let's 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.120 sit and listen, because if you can get multiple close 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.040 to big league ready pieces, I get it. But I'm 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.720 not a big proponent of like trading a guy with 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.040 three and a half years of control, because especially when 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.240 you have some other pieces, Like I don't have a 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.680 lot of faith in the Angels organization, but you have 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.200 a new guy in charge right now in mosay Loc 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.680 you get a year and a half to like try 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.520 to be semi competitive, and then by then if you're not, 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.200 you still have two plus years of control to trade 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.359 Neto and still get a haul. And there's a certain 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.000 tipping point where it's like three and a half years 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.239 versus two and a half years. I don't know how 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.840 much more you're gonna get because teams just aren't gonna 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.879 go that much further outside of their comfort zone. So 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.560 I think it's worth listening. But trading a guy like 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.840 that with three and a half years of control, I'd 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.120 only be doing that if you had zero big league pieces. 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:08.959 Maybe the Angels should have done that, you know, if 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.800 they were where they were at last year, but now 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.320 all of a sudden, they got some pictures and like 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.800