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Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon podcast. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It

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Speaker 2: is one hundred percent up to the vands on who

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Speaker 2: gets in.

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Speaker 3: I blame the committee just as much as the fans.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonny for opportunity ripper. Yeah, I rip everybody.

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Speaker 4: But is it like a referendum on everything they're doing?

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Speaker 4: Is that overshadows signing Steffan things last week? Now you're

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Speaker 4: all worked up about losing Joe.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the person is being sarcastic, But no,

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Speaker 2: another one.

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Speaker 5: Four after Jaws. I mean, it's way better than Jaws said.

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Speaker 2: I missed.

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Speaker 3: I missed that one.

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Speaker 2: Man sold Fashioned.

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Speaker 6: Exactly good.

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Speaker 2: Gives me the vapors.

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Speaker 7: Flickers yet on Kickers, Yeah, I know you love the

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Speaker 7: better call Saulves.

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Speaker 5: That's my take on the Kickers.

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks, So the answer is, yes, we're going

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Speaker 2: to see him go up against you know whoever? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know Harvey Lang or whoever it is Harvey Lang.

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Speaker 2: Who's the guy that they've gotten free agency?

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Speaker 3: Harold Landry?

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Speaker 2: Harold Landry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I speak Fred, but sometimes you make it tough.

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Speaker 2: Harold Landry.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. The guys are back in town. Yesterday

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Speaker 2: was the official kickoff of voluntary workouts otherwise known as OTAs.

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Speaker 3: No not yet, really not really, he's not organized, correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: not really, so it's just.

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Speaker 2: The off season program. Yeah, so a lot of guys here.

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Speaker 2: We don't take attendance for these, it's voluntary. So but

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Speaker 2: we did hear that Christian barm War is in the house,

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Speaker 2: which is good news. We don't know what he's doing

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Speaker 2: or what his plan is that they have for him,

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Speaker 2: but it's just good to see that he's here. Yeah. Otherwise,

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Speaker 2: it was pretty cool. I think for the first time

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Speaker 2: since I've been here, the football regime allowed us into

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Speaker 2: the weight room during this time of year. We got

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Speaker 2: some really cool hype video out on Patriots Social and

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Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com with the guy's working out, So that

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Speaker 2: was great. So we're excited to go, right.

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Speaker 4: I just like seeing so many guys I mean Stefan

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Speaker 4: Diggs being here. I don't know where he's at with

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Speaker 4: rehabbing all that, but just having him in the building,

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Speaker 4: I think it's a great sign. Saw a lot of

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Speaker 4: the wide receivers in some of those pictures, just for

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Speaker 4: a room that feels like it needs to get on

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Speaker 4: track and really start to build something. I just I

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Speaker 4: like seeing all those guys there. Stefan Diggs is there.

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Speaker 4: Let's get it started.

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Speaker 2: So it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce. Evan will be

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Speaker 2: joining us. Matt's in the booth with Alex, who's helping out.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna help hopefully help Matt out from time to time.

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Speaker 3: Matt needs some help, he needs help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can provide a lot of ways, a

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Speaker 3: As he nods, yeah, all right. So what we are

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Speaker 3: we are hearing actually currently from a couple of players.

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Speaker 3: One of them, well, one of your favorite your favorite

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Speaker 3: free agent edition, Yeah right, Harvey Lang.

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Speaker 2: Harvey Lang's here. Yes, Harvey Lang is otherwise known as

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Speaker 2: Harold Landry. Correct.

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Speaker 3: And I think Marcus Jones also speaking today. So that's

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Speaker 3: where Evan is right now.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get back with a full report of that.

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Speaker 4: We also heard from all the defensive coaches except for

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Speaker 4: defensive coordinator Tourel Williams. On Friday, Jeremy Springer took the lead.

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Speaker 4: Interesting to finally get to meet a whole new defensive staff.

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Speaker 4: And last year a lot of holdovers, not a lot

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Speaker 4: It seems they have a real philosophy on defense they're

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Speaker 4: And so you say, Jeremy Springer too, talking about finding

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Speaker 3: Springer talking about you know the kickoff they've you know,

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Speaker 3: so everybody's anticipating more returns. Yeah, And I thought it

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Speaker 2: Brings up a question I have. So I agree moving

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Speaker 2: you know, uh on the you know, the kickoff alignment.

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Speaker 3: I think it was about this a little bit.

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Speaker 4: I heard them on the radio. I didn't look at that.

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Speaker 3: I think they may have been physically more. I think

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Speaker 2: So I always look at it. One hundred percent field

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like an MIT professor math.

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Speaker 4: But if you're going to have more returns this year,

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Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, right, that's how

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Speaker 3: It kept looking odd to me watching it.

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Speaker 2: I have to admit that when they first announced this

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Speaker 2: The difference was obviously that no one can move until

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Speaker 4: I felt similar Fred. I feel like I thought there

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Speaker 4: And it never felt like anything was sprung. Everyone approached

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Speaker 2: Because remember it, like I'm sure it wasn't just our team,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, oh, every team must be like, you know,

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Speaker 3: And seven guys going different ways a flip.

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Speaker 2: And nothing that I didn't see anything manifest along those lines.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess you guys have you know, you

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Speaker 3: have more more of a life than I do, because

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Speaker 3: I had seen some of these kickoffs in those other leagues,

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Speaker 3: But it's an odd look the way they're lined up,

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Speaker 3: and you know they're five yards apart, so that that's

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Speaker 3: obviously eliminating the the collisions. That's what they're looking to

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Speaker 3: get out of it. Listen, if it's if it's going

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Speaker 3: to keep the kickoff in the game this way and

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Speaker 3: the old way was going to eliminate it, then then

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Speaker 3: I guess I'm for it. It just looks odd to me.

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Speaker 2: See what I would do, like I said, I would

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Speaker 2: put them right at a line of scrimmage at the twenty,

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Speaker 2: so there's no five yards of so you're still eliminating

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Speaker 2: the collisions. They're right there at a line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: The receiver is within the landing zone of twenty yards,

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Speaker 2: and he can be wherever he is within that twenty

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Speaker 3: The kicker has to drop it in there. But you're

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Speaker 3: saying the.

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Speaker 2: Tacklers are closer he catches it, so it's more, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's just like a regular play where instead of the

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Speaker 3: a little bit more.

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Speaker 4: More frequently, right, a little more of a running play almost.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that would be good. He's like you said, he's electric.

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Speaker 2: There for me. Yep, what else we got? You know,

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Speaker 3: I am a little surprised with how almost every show

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, if you waited longer and he lit it

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Speaker 2: May is being a diva. I doubt very much that

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Speaker 3: I most people think that, But the question is does

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Speaker 2: Your show was insinuating that they do. No word diva

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Speaker 3: I don't care now if Joe like to me. This

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Speaker 3: that's again I'm not reporting that. That's my feeling is

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Speaker 2: Sure, and I think you know you've got got You've

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't fault Joe Milton at all for wanting

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Speaker 3: When we were on the draft show.

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Speaker 4: I remember the reactions, especially from Paul and Evan, being like,

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Speaker 4: I hate it. I just why are we doing this

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Speaker 4: But you know, good luck Joe Milton, go for it,

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Speaker 2: And people have brought up to compared well, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't remember him saying I don't remember him making

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Speaker 9: Like this was.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's really any evidence that Drake made

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Speaker 2: No, but what I'm saying is we think Milton might have, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean as a starter or as a backup, but

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Speaker 3: he never really was the backup. Well he was, he

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Speaker 2: But I've heard people say, well, you don't think Brady

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he did, but you know, there was never

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Speaker 4: But put it through the context of today, where Joe

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Speaker 4: whole time. If this is now, Brady was at Michigan,

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Speaker 4: Brady wouldn't have stayed at Michigan. If he was sitting

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Speaker 4: would have gone somewhere else. It's also a different mindset

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Speaker 4: now for these quarters, like every.

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Speaker 3: Guy should want to play and and and so I'm

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Speaker 3: glad you brought up Brady though, because this is one

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Speaker 3: Mike and Tony yesterday. Bill wouldn't have made this trade.

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Speaker 3: Bill would unless Milton had done something. Their their insinuation

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Speaker 3: was unless Milton had done something to Belichick like asking

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Speaker 3: for more money. You have been a pain to Belichick.

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Speaker 3: It's not the same, and I'm not claiming it's the same.

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Speaker 3: But how long did Bledsoe stay after he lost his job?

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Speaker 3: Not long end of the season. The next year he

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Speaker 3: that you don't need.

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Speaker 2: Plus you could get a first round pick for him.

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Speaker 3: No, No, that's what It's not the same. It's not

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Speaker 3: much different story. It's one hundred million dollar quarterback who

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Speaker 3: who was a multiple time Pro Bowler. It's not the

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Speaker 3: same as Joe Milton, like you should have been able

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Speaker 3: to handle Joe Milton. I get it, But to me,

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Speaker 3: I want to avoid any possible problems before they arise.

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Speaker 3: And I think Bill, he easily could have said, well,

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Speaker 3: Drew Bledsoe around as my backup if he thought it

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Speaker 3: that's not going to be something that's gonna sit well

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Speaker 3: so we moved them again. It's not the same, but

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Speaker 3: it's not all that much different either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's avoiding unnecessary distractions. And like I said,

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Speaker 3: I saw it. He's the best, but I'll say he's.

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Speaker 3: But if he's better, you know, people and it's a small,

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Speaker 3: a small percentage. This is a little bit of Felger

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Speaker 2: Few he is he is, and you know it'll be

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Speaker 3: It's a missed up as you know, something it happens, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But it happens, Dak gets hurt, Milton gets in. He's

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Speaker 3: I think you made great points about Milton's mindset too.

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Speaker 3: As an older prospect. We spent six years in college.

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Speaker 3: Probably can't does it in his mind, can't afford to

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Speaker 4: Right, And maybe some spots starts for Drake may here

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Speaker 9: You get.

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Speaker 3: But but I do think he had a better chance

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Speaker 2: Oh you think so?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Okay, I don't think the chance is high either place.

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Speaker 3: eight eight or nine games he missed. He missed half

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Speaker 3: the season last year, which why the Cowboys stunk.

440
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Speaker 4: But is he the backup? I mean, if he's the

441
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,479
Speaker 4: backup to Dak, he's not getting probably beyond Dobbs here,

442
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 4: So I mean, does he go from third string here

443
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 4: to second string there? Does Dallas trust him that much?

444
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 9: Maybe?

445
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Speaker 3: I don't know if Will Greer ahead of him or not.

446
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Speaker 3: I don't know. That's to me, like the Dallas part

447
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 3: of it, it's typical Jerry Jones. Oh yeah, because Cooper

448
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 3: Rush was going to cost money, so they let him walk.

449
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 3: Trey Lance was going to cost money, so they let

450
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Speaker 3: him walk. And they bring in a guy who's not

451
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Speaker 3: making he's not even making a million dollars as a

452
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Speaker 3: six you know, rookie contract, sixth round pick. He's making

453
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Speaker 3: one nine hundred nine. He's probably not even make a million.

454
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Speaker 2: Dollars based an enemy.

455
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so to me that reeks of Jerry Jones.

456
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

457
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Speaker 4: Yeah. The thing I just can't shake. And that's why

458
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 4: I always like to draft a quarterback every year. Is

459
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 4: it's just that insurance. It's like having another young prospect

460
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Speaker 4: to push, because ultimately, I don't think Patriot fans care

461
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Speaker 4: if it's Drake may or Joe Milton or who. They

462
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 4: just want the next great quarterback. And you want to

463
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Speaker 4: give yourself as many bites at that apple as you

464
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Speaker 4: can get. That's why again, I think I relooked at

465
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 4: a lot of these quarterback prospects as I think this

466
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 4: year you gotta, you know, put another one in that

467
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Speaker 4: pipeline and get another arm in camp.

468
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Speaker 2: For sure.

469
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think your point is good, Mike. But I

470
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Speaker 3: also would say I would just add, if I were

471
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Speaker 3: in charge of a team, I would rather my backup

472
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Speaker 3: quarterback be developed that way than having to sign Jacoby

473
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Speaker 3: Brissett and then Joshua Dobbs and spending you know, it's

474
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: modest money comparatively, but you know, eight million on perset, right,

475
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Speaker 3: it's another five million for Dobbs. I think this year

476
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Speaker 3: I'd rather have my backup. What about making nine hundred thousand, right,

477
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: which is the reason why I want to do the

478
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 3: mic thing.

479
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that Green Bay did forever.

480
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: And you know, like we've rattled off the names back

481
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 3: in the nineties when Ron Wolf used to do this

482
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Speaker 3: all the time, and he would, you know, he never like,

483
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 3: he never like held anybody up to get rid of

484
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 3: Matt Hasselback or Ty Dettner or Mark Brunell. He didn't

485
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 3: get anything for Flynn. Flynn left as a free agent,

486
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Speaker 3: but he was able to develop these backup quarterbacks for

487
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Speaker 3: you know, cheap money, cheap dollars, and then you're able

488
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Speaker 3: to flip them for the you know, probably the similar

489
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Speaker 3: pick that you got for them that you used on them.

490
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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, but.

491
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Speaker 3: In the meantime you have backups that are that are

492
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Speaker 3: young and affordable and developing in your system. I think

493
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Speaker 3: to Mike's point, it's good business.

494
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's also I think I just like the the

495
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Speaker 4: dynamic of the room bringing now that you're Drake's a

496
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Speaker 4: year removed, bring a young rookie in. It helps Drake

497
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Speaker 4: probably to set an example for a younger guy. And

498
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Speaker 4: as much as he was drafted ahead of Milton, there

499
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 4: was always that kind of vibe. I would imagine I

500
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Speaker 4: kind of felt that it just like because Milton's such

501
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 4: a presence, right, Like I always just felt like, yeah,

502
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 4: Drake's a guy, but man meltain standard.

503
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Speaker 3: It's like if they had and I can't even think

504
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Speaker 3: of the guys that got drafted late last year now

505
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Speaker 3: off the top of my head, but if they had drafted.

506
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Speaker 4: Average size, pocket quarterback guy, you know, the two lane

507
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 4: kid Pratt, remember him, kind of liked him. If they

508
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 4: had drafted him in day three, I wouldn't have gone

509
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Speaker 4: on the ranter that I went on when they Mike's

510
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 4: right about the stature and sort of it's almost like

511
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Speaker 4: a mythological presence that J. Milton has.

512
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Speaker 3: He has this incredible set of gifts skills, you know,

513
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Speaker 3: with the size, the arm, the strength. I mean, people

514
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: think he can be a tight end. He's that kind

515
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Speaker 3: of athlete.

516
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Speaker 9: You know.

517
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Speaker 3: That's not the same as just like, well, you're going

518
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Speaker 3: to take a flyer on a guy in the sixth

519
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: round and you know maybe he's a third quarterback.

520
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Speaker 4: Meanwhile he's out there doing back flips and stuff, and

521
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 4: I was going.

522
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 3: To create attention because of his unbelievable skill set.

523
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Speaker 2: And I was okay with creating attention and fans loving him.

524
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 2: But if he starts like being a nuisance himself, then

525
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Speaker 2: it's time to go.

526
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Speaker 3: But but I don't even think he was a nuisance.

527
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: It was a problem and he needed to go. Yeah,

528
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 3: because people are now seeing like, huh, he can do this.

529
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: He made that throw on the sideline. Oh did you

530
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: see the backflip? Like things that aren't important, things that

531
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 3: are unimportant, they're just unbelievable athletic gifts that he has.

532
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

533
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of the reaction to though, is

534
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Speaker 4: just it goes back to camp last year when early on,

535
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Speaker 4: before even moved to eleven on eleven, we were getting

536
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Speaker 4: reports on this is a real quarterback competition and oh,

537
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Speaker 4: Joe Milton had the throw of the day and you're.

538
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Speaker 3: Not report on that.

539
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: You were you were, You were reporting.

540
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 4: Settling, settling and setting it all up last summer. I

541
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 4: remember when then went into hibernation.

542
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Speaker 3: Forgot about when he played in the preseason games, like

543
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Speaker 3: he was okay in the first one I think it

544
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 3: was Houston, the first one here.

545
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: The other two he was running around one of them.

546
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Speaker 3: One of them in particular, is one of the worst

547
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 3: quarterback performers I've ever watched in a preseason game.

548
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: So he was.

549
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Speaker 3: I thought he was pretty bad in the preseason last year,

550
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: but then the last game he played incredibly well. I

551
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: don't care who he played against, that's a big part

552
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: of the story, but he but he played well. He

553
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 3: still had to make the throw he.

554
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: Showed off his arm.

555
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: That laser he threw home, the one that.

556
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Speaker 3: Didn't count was the most impressive throw ever.

557
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Speaker 2: Draft talk, draft wins, news, whatever you want to call it.

558
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter was talking yesterday and no, I mean he's like,

559
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: I want to play every down, both sides of the ball.

560
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Speaker 2: I can do it. You know, he claims he can

561
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Speaker 2: do it. I thought it was interesting I heard him

562
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Speaker 2: saying that.

563
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Speaker 4: Sure, I like him saying it. I don't think I would.

564
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Speaker 4: I would, I would do it, but I would try

565
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: to ramp up to it. I mean, why not.

566
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: See I wouldn't be opposed to it, but just not

567
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 3: as a rookie.

568
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

569
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Speaker 3: I want him to learn something first. Yeah, yeah, that's

570
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: what you know, one or the other, whatever one you

571
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: think he's better at. I want him to learn that

572
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: trade first.

573
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 10: Yeah.

574
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: And then if you think, okay, he's established himself, he

575
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Speaker 3: has this, let's put more on his plate and then

576
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: if he can play both ways, more power tool.

577
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: So I think the bonus is I mean, if he

578
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: came here, We've discussed plenty. I think it makes sense

579
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Speaker 4: to starmint wide receiver. It's the biggest position to need

580
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 4: and that's where I think he's got probably the most

581
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: learning to do. But I think by teaching him that

582
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 4: position and learning the nuances of NFL route running and

583
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: play design and those things, is he learns that, it's

584
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Speaker 4: also going to inform him on the other side of

585
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Speaker 4: the ball. And then you start, like I would start to,

586
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 4: you know, get his feet wet it. I mean, I

587
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 4: want to go back to what I said originally, where

588
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 4: let's play him on third down both sides of the ball.

589
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 4: I think he's a wide receiver, probably not in every

590
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: down wide receiver at least to start, but you know,

591
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 4: then you get to start getting him in on some

592
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 4: third downs, play him inside. You know, look, we're not

593
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: going to just man him up on somebody. We're going

594
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Speaker 4: to use him as a little bit of a chess piece,

595
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Speaker 4: and it's not you know, make it so he doesn't

596
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: have to think too much. You gotta get that athletics.

597
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: I would I would if I took him, I would

598
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: definitely start him at wide receiver, you know, through through

599
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: the spring in the summer as much you know, see

600
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: how he's doing there, and if I see, okay, this

601
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: is where he belonged, you keep him there and then

602
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: if not, then you start to convert him back to cornerback.

603
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: You just hope that you have to start him at

604
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: wide receiver. That's just where he can make more of

605
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: an impact.

606
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good argument. I was going to ask

607
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 3: you which what which one you think would be harder

608
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: to learn?

609
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: I think wide receiver, so I think corner Really.

610
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 3: Why because I think there's so much that goes into it,

611
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: you know, playing within the system.

612
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say the same thing about

613
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: why he was route.

614
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: Running, like you just have to learn like to run

615
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: a little bit more precise routes. But like, I mean,

616
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: I know it's more to that. I know I'm simplifying it.

617
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

618
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can make an argument either way.

619
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 3: I think I think not why I'm going to get

620
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: into a knockdown drag out because you can.

621
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 4: Also just go with that guy, follow him, cover him.

622
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 4: That's it, Like, that's the play.

623
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: But I said, but it very rarely gets done like

624
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: that anymore. You know their zone, verus man, all the

625
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: luances of and then learning the receivers that you're covering.

626
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: It's not like college where you're covering a plumber. You know,

627
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: like you're covering you know, quality guys that can make

628
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: you look bad.

629
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 4: Plus all the communication on defense that has to happen

630
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 4: before the snap. I mean, yeah, there is communication offensively,

631
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 4: they've changed the play adjuster out, but.

632
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: The offense is trying to create confusion.

633
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 4: Right, and so stressed that you got to know quick

634
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 4: and right.

635
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 3: So the other thing that I thought was interesting. I

636
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: heard a clip from Mike Mayock yesterday. Old friend Mike Mayo.

637
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 2: What's he doing now?

638
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: I don't know he was he was doing. You know,

639
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: it's like talking about some draft positions and he's he

640
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: had mentioned that wide receiver and tackle with the two

641
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: positions that have him sort of the most flum mixed.

642
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: But he talked about wide receiver at let that heard

643
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: a long clip that they played on Felgrind Maz and

644
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 3: he talked about it's not a great year for wide receivers,

645
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: which we already knew. But he's said there's only a

646
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: couple of guys that he thinks are really first round,

647
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: and he mentioned McMillan, he mentioned Matthew Golden, and I

648
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: think he mentioned Luther Burden.

649
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 12: Yep.

650
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: Never mentioned Travis Hunter as a wide receiver. I don't

651
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: know if he was just omitting him or if he

652
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: felt like he's more of a corner.

653
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: That had to be an omission, but I don't know.

654
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: I just he's still doing top five with ten people

655
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: on probably probably Yeah.

656
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 4: I would just say I think in the receivers you

657
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 4: can get traits, you know, they're guy's traits. The all

658
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: around potential guys doesn't really seem.

659
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: Like there's that.

660
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 3: And he had mentioned specifically Michael that Michael the well,

661
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: when I'm serious, you know, he doesn't think there's anywhere

662
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: near the amount of sort of day two gems that

663
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: they have been saying the last four or five years

664
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: at receiver.

665
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's some speed guys. Kyle Williams from Washington

666
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 4: State's a guy. Ivan and I were talking about what

667
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 4: we've talked about. Isaiah Bond from Texas to that that

668
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: to me is What intrigues me just for this Patriots

669
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: group where I think they're running nine ten guys deep

670
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: right now, is I just love to get a burner, Like,

671
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: give me a burner. He doesn't have to be big,

672
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: he doesn't have to be the most polished route runner

673
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: or anything like that, but just love to see some

674
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: guy with some straightway speed just to try to get

675
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: that element right, you know, into the offense.

676
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess he's got to be just more than

677
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: just fast though, you know, because we had that.

678
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: No, they need someone who can play. And I'm a

679
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: little worried that it doesn't sound like there's a lot

680
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: of these guys, Like I don't know if they are

681
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: going to be the AJ Browns and the Terry mclaurin's

682
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: and those guys coming out of date day two of

683
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: the draft that are going to be impact players based

684
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: on you know, just Mike Mayock.

685
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not sure that Klellan Farrell was that

686
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: one of his Uh oh.

687
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had he had some bad drafts with the Radus.

688
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: I always really liked him, and then when he went

689
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 4: to the Raiders and I'm like, who's this guy picking now?

690
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: Like I would you would you allow would you change

691
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: the draft to allow teams to draft futures? So, in

692
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 2: other words, draft a guy, reserve a guy a year

693
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: ahead before you could.

694
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 3: Draft arch Manning. Now, whenever he decides to come out,

695
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: he belongs to you.

696
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: Obviously you lose the pick, basically, would you allow that?

697
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 9: No?

698
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: But I think that that's not I don't think it's

699
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: a dumb concept. I mean, everybody Larry Bird that way.

700
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 4: I just want to is everybody eligible, like you can

701
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: go off the beaten path anyone you want?

702
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: Two years for him, but I guess the danger of

703
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: that would be okay, So once arch Manning gets future

704
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: draft by the Patriots, he doesn't want to play anymore,

705
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: like like you know, he's like faking injuries so he

706
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: doesn't get hurt in his college career and he saves

707
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: himself for the pros.

708
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: I don't know, Well, what if you drafted, I mean,

709
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: could you do him like in a sixth round pick,

710
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: like I'm going to take this, you know, I'm going

711
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 4: to take this. And now he's slotted as a sixth

712
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: round pick.

713
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: You have to you'd have to fix that, have to

714
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: fix that, you'd have to have to only be first.

715
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 4: Rightly I'm just going to take some fly take a

716
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: seventh in.

717
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: The seventh round every year, I would take a guy

718
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: who I think is going.

719
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: To be really good. So the caveat would be the.

720
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: Ohio State guy Ryan Uh. The two wide receivers. It's

721
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: Alabama and Ohios Williams, Ryan Williams, and you think he

722
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: might oh yeah, he's the Alabama he's the seventeen year

723
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: old state guy and Jeremiah Smith.

724
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: So it has to be you have to use a

725
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: first round pick, you know, so you're you're deferring a

726
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: first round pick for whenever this guy graduates or I.

727
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: Mean I wanted to get the first round is going

728
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 4: to be kind of like everybody's already drafted, you know,

729
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 4: you just have the guys who broke out their senior

730
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: year or that would probably be.

731
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: But you know, like like I'm I don't I don't

732
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: think it's the worst thing, because like, if you're your

733
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: team's like, oh, we have to wait. But now there's

734
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: this like anticipation for this kid to finally be done

735
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: with his car.

736
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: If you were the Giants right now, wouldn't you take

737
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 3: arch Manning?

738
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 9: Sure?

739
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: Right at three, right right?

740
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: And it opens it up for other teams to get

741
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: access to guys who there.

742
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: Especially if Travis Hunter goes too right, now, the Giants

743
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: have to take ab Duel Cotter quote unquote have to

744
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: and they have Brian Burne in Cavon Thibodeau, like we're

745
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: going to take arch Manning, right, that wouldn't be a

746
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: terrible pick. I kind of like your idea.

747
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: And then if the guy ends up not being that

748
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: good in college, well.

749
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, well buy be aware that I know.

750
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say is sometimes guys

751
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: have bats in your years, right, and their stock goes down,

752
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: and can you believe they wasted the third overall pick

753
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 4: on archy.

754
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: Now when it comes again, when it comes time to draft,

755
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: you can trade that draft if you want, but you

756
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: could be stuck with the person.

757
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 9: You know.

758
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm reminded of like old like Bobby your

759
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: stories of you know, when they sign amateur players to

760
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: you know, just random kids, like oh and then he

761
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: signed with this team, but then he went and signed

762
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 4: with that, Like he's already been on like three teams

763
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: before he's even played.

764
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: You know, in the NHL, didn't the Celtics get Birdy

765
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: year early?

766
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: You just never listened to me. I legitimately just said

767
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: that that's how the Celtics processing. That was a little

768
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 3: different because the rules at the time were your draft

769
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: eligible once you're graduating class of when you entered college.

770
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: He had spent four years in college, but because he

771
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: transferred from Indiana to Indiana State, he had to sit

772
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: out a year. Back then, that didn't happen all the

773
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 3: time the way it does now. So he was in

774
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: his fifth year after his high school, so he was

775
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 3: eligible after the fourth year, right, and read said we're

776
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: going to take him.

777
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, still on episode one.

778
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: I'll get to the other part.

779
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: I gotta watch that tonight. Yeah. I think I'm up

780
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: to date except for this week. I didn't see last

781
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: night yet.

782
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 10: Yeah.

783
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: The problem with it is we're talking about Celtic City now.

784
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: It's the documentary by The Ringer and Bill Simmons. They

785
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: never talk about the season. They go right to the postseason.

786
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: You know, there's never any talk about what transpired during

787
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: the season. And I'm thinking to myself, all they're doing

788
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: is reinforcing the narrative that the NBA regular season doesn't count,

789
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, doesn't.

790
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: Plus, I don't think that they get into enough you

791
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 3: know here and there a little bit, but I don't

792
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: think they get enough of the sort of relationships among

793
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: those teams, the players. Yeah, you know, they talk a

794
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: little bit about McHale and Bird and how you know

795
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: they friends, Like, well he got mad at them.

796
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 2: You don't mess with people's money. Yeah I didn't.

797
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: I didn't know that story either. That was one of

798
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: the instances that that's what I'm interested in. Yeah, you know,

799
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 3: I want to know things that weren't readily available. You know,

800
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: I can open up PO Pro Basketball Reference and do

801
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: an account of the nineteen eighty four season. I remember

802
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: what happened. That's all they're doing. You know, I'd rather

803
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: have those kinds of stories. Where Parish was holding out

804
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: he wanted more money, and Bird said something to the

805
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 3: effect of, you know, if we have plenty of guys,

806
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: we have plenty of talent on their edge.

807
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 2: And that's kind of an unwritten Parish money to that

808
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: professional athletes is you don't mess with another guy's.

809
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: Then Bird got in a fight against Doctor J and

810
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: he was kind of getting attacked from the back by

811
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: Moses Malone, and Parish just stood there and watched, right,

812
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: and he explained why he was really mad at Larry

813
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: at the time. Yeah, I think Parish is pretty good

814
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 3: in that documentary itself. You don't see that's again, you

815
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: don't hear a lot from Parish. He was such a

816
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: quiet guy when he played. You hear a lot of

817
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 3: stories from McHale.

818
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: Or he was too busy getting FedEx. That's true.

819
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: Chief all right, yep. That Celtic's moanment, brought to you

820
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: by Yeah.

821
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: So players continue with their off season workouts today. We'll

822
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: have a little bit more on social media from that

823
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 2: as well. When's the first time that we media gets

824
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: access to anything? May you might know this day?

825
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a little bit of me. But I mean

826
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 4: twenty I mean, I don't know. Maybe will we get

827
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: a glimpse, Oh.

828
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 3: Well, we get the rookie will we get rookieia?

829
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: But I don't know if we're getting on this year.

830
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: It hasn't been explicitly said.

831
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: I could be earlier than that.

832
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 4: There are three early arting in mid May. I think

833
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: the rookies would be the first weekend after after.

834
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 3: The draft, so early May. I would say, cool, Yeah,

835
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: all right, it April, early May. It's coming fast. It's

836
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 3: unbelievable how close the draft is already.

837
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 4: Wonder I wonder how much the formula is going to change.

838
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 4: I didn't really notice a lot of changes last year

839
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: from Bill the Jerro. It still seemed like the mechanics

840
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: of practice generally kind of felt similar to me. But

841
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 4: you know, Rabel, he's got his own thing, He's doing

842
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: his own thing.

843
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: I just thought I thought there was a long ramp

844
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: up to practice most days before they actually did anything.

845
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 3: That was one difference I saw with Mayo last year.

846
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: I felt like, you know, a lot of people made

847
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: a lot of the fact that this was a really

848
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: hard camp because of the actual amount of time they

849
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: were out on the field, But I didn't think they'd

850
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: spent a lot of that time actually practicing. There was

851
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: a lot of positional drills, you know, the warm up.

852
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 3: It seemed like forty five minutes to an hour before

853
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: they did anything. Pretty much every day.

854
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of your people yesterday were me you

855
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: people one of them. But dared Yea pointing out that

856
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 2: Gerard could have started early last year and decided not

857
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: to be Some of us were ahead of the curve

858
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: on that because they you know, he didn't feel they

859
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: were on the same page. Listen, I'm not going to

860
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: be a fraud. At the time, I'm like, if he

861
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: doesn't think the coaches are ready yet, then good, don't

862
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: start yet, don't bring the players into the building and

863
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: you don't know what the hell you're doing yet. That said, okay,

864
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: why don't you know that what the hell you're doing?

865
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: But it took them a long time to get that

866
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: staff together. They were behind the eight ball from the beginning.

867
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that they were wrong for being behind.

868
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: Why it was troubling that they were behind. That was

869
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 3: my point of the time.

870
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 4: You see red flags pretty quick, paul I. I that

871
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: was a red flag, and there were probably a couple

872
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 4: more examples of that from last season that I feel like,

873
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 4: you see it. That's a red flag right there.

874
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: And like I heard, my buddy big Head was talking

875
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: about this yesterday, like this time last year. You know,

876
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 3: there's already one thing that's going on now that he

877
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: likes more than that.

878
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 10: Was it right?

879
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: And I just and I'm not picking on you because

880
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: I know that you argue with me because that's what

881
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: we contract really obligated to do. But you have an

882
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: opportunity to start two weeks before everybody else, and you

883
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: just said, no, we're gonna punt on that. We're not

884
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: gonna We're not gonna even if you could have just

885
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: gotten together, Okay, we're not really ready for it yet.

886
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: Get him in, Go go left, go do something. You know,

887
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: you can have a meeting, yeah, you know, because you

888
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: can't do really anything on the field yet anyway. Now,

889
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: I mean you see like that we have like a

890
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: little outline of all the things you can do, and

891
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: none of the people. This is not telling tales out

892
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: of school. It's all available out there online for anybody

893
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: wants to know. Like, you can't even like catch pass,

894
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: like the defense can't catch a pass from something, like

895
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: you can't intercept the path. You can't do anything right,

896
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: Like it's not football yet. You're just sort of getting

897
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: acclimated to a new program, a new system.

898
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: But but what you said that Vrabel's really setting his

899
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: own tone and doing it his own way. We did

900
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 2: get some really really really good access yesterday that we're

901
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: not putting out yet, but it's going to be part

902
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: of a longer form video that we'll release after the draft,

903
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: and I can't wait for people to see it. You're

904
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: so you're right, there are things that Rabel is doing

905
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: that it's like, oh, okay, that's pretty cool. You can

906
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: see how he's putting his immediately putting his thumbprint on

907
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: the team. And we've been given that access. So you'll

908
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 2: see that after the draft in the longer form documentary

909
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: that we release. Excited to see you, Yeah, yeah, behind

910
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: good stuff.

911
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: Yep, all right, so that's that, Mike. You thought Kyle

912
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: Duggert looked a little thinnery yesterday.

913
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, it's funny. I was, I was getting ready

914
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 4: to hit out the door yesterday and I got my

915
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 4: phone lights up. Mike Grease, I'm like, well, I got

916
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 4: to answer this one, and he's like, Deuce, I'm looking

917
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: for someone as crazy as me. I'm trying to go

918
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: through your footage here to see which players are coming

919
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 4: in to the in the video that we put out,

920
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 4: and so I we're but we both we didn't quite

921
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: get Digs at first because he was a little bundled up.

922
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 4: We got him, but but Kyle dugger weren't sure at first.

923
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: But he seems like he might have yeah, lost a

924
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 4: little weight. Maybe, I don't know. Maybe that's part of

925
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 4: guys trying to fit the scheme, better, getting lighter, getting faster.

926
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 4: Maybe I got to get a look up close to him.

927
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 4: Maybe he was just bundled up. He's always kind of

928
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: a wiry guy anyway, he's not the thickest. But yeah,

929
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 4: seemed like maybe maybe he'd come down a little bit.

930
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: Better than the other way around.

931
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, better, you know, And if he was coming off

932
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: the injury, you know, you didn't know how much off

933
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: season work he was going to be able to do.

934
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: But looks like that wasn't an issue in shape. Yeah,

935
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: all right? Eight five to five past five hundred is

936
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the email address.

937
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: So let's hear what's on people's minds. We'll start on

938
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 2: the Hotline. We'll go to Randy, who's in Providence. What's up, Randy?

939
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 13: Hey, So I wanted to talk drafts with you guys

940
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 13: for a moment here. I know I heard you talking

941
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 13: about the wide receiver class earlier, and I kind of

942
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 13: couldn't disagree more with what you were saying. I think

943
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 13: the meat of this wide receiver class is on Day two,

944
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 13: in that second and third round. I think there's some

945
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 13: very direct comparisons between the twenty nineteen wide receiver class

946
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 13: and this one, Like, can I just stop you for

947
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 13: one quick second?

948
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: I just want to just you know, this was what

949
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: Mike Mayock said. I was just I was parroting with

950
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: Mike Mayock said about the draft. Just one, just one,

951
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 3: just one man's opinion.

952
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 10: Yeah that's all.

953
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean look at Mike Mayof's track draft history.

954
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not good.

955
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 14: That's all you need to say.

956
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: It's not good with the with the Raiders, absolutely the but.

957
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 12: No, I think like if you look at twenty nineteen

958
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 12: wide receiver class, there are you know, you had Martise

959
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 12: Brown who jumped up into the first round when he

960
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 12: ran the fourteen seven at the combine, right, very similar

961
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 12: to Matthew Golden jumped up into the first round really

962
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 12: when he ran the fourteen nine.

963
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: That was one of the guys Mayok had at first

964
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: round grade for Golden.

965
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, but he wasn't super special in college, right, Like

966
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 13: he only played into the first wide receiver so flawed attack.

967
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 13: Since when Bond went down and then you got and

968
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 13: kill Harry in that twenty ninety draft, I think he's

969
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 13: got very similar comparisons to t mac personally. I'm like,

970
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 13: you look deeper into the second round. You know, AJ Brown,

971
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 13: Trey Harris, DK Metcalf, Jaden Higgins. There's a lot of

972
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 13: direct comparisons, I think, and I think the meat of

973
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 13: this draft is in the second and third round. I

974
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 13: think some of the better mock drafts that I've seen

975
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 13: for us have them going with like a Will Campbell

976
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 13: first and then Jade Jiggins second. But I wanted to

977
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 13: ask you about that because I do see people in

978
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 13: scenarios trading back, and I think that's great, you know,

979
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 13: to be able to draft Will Campbell.

980
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 12: But do you think, particularly.

981
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 13: Maybe in the first year of a new administration, if

982
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 13: you will, there's value in saying we're taking you with

983
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 13: the top five pick because this is the type of

984
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 13: player that we want and that sort of thing, you know.

985
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not I think I follow. I mean,

986
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: I'm guessing he's saying as Will Campbell's kind of demeanor

987
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 4: and leadership and drafting him more for intangibles. Like I

988
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 4: just think you have to hit this pick. It has

989
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: to be a really good player, it has to be

990
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 4: a guy. I love Will Campbell's and tangibles. But I

991
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 4: don't think you can draft fourth overall with like your

992
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 4: main drive being well, he's a good guy, it's gonna

993
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 4: be good for the program. He's Rabels kind of guy.

994
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 4: I think that's a nice key.

995
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: But I think and the talent, if everything else is equal,

996
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: that's that could tip you over.

997
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: You want to tell me that they will Campbell's the

998
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 4: left tackle and they believe in him, and he's gonna

999
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: play there and and it'd be a shock to them

1000
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: that he'd be a guard, then sign me up for that.

1001
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 9: Yep.

1002
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: But if there's some some question, I think everybody's in

1003
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: a similar boat where you take a trade down. You'd

1004
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 4: love to have a trade down. You'd love to go

1005
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 4: to the Raiders at six. I know a lot of

1006
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: people talking about the Saints at nine. I don't know

1007
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: how realistic it is that people are going to trade

1008
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: up to four for Shad or Sanders, but that's what

1009
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 4: you're probably hoping on. Otherwise, there's some ri skip for

1010
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 4: if it's not Carter Hunter, there's gonna be questions. There's

1011
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 4: gonna be some kind of well is this gonna work out?

1012
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: Are you sure?

1013
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 4: With just about anybody you take?

1014
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: Chad writes in says, I'm hearing opening arguments about Milton,

1015
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: and I think you all may be missing the point.

1016
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: It's not that he's gone. For most fans, it's that

1017
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: we didn't get enough for the trade. Well that's what

1018
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: was offered.

1019
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, so this is what happens when these reports

1020
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: come out about they had offers for more?

1021
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 10: Like what what was it?

1022
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 9: Right? Like?

1023
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: This is why And I know you get mad at me,

1024
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: Fred when I do this, but this is why. Like

1025
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: when Chris Godwin re signs with Tampa and then everybody

1026
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: just runs with the fact that he was offered far

1027
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: more money by the Patriots. Well, was he really or

1028
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: was it the chance it was the chance to make

1029
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: more or non guaranteed more like, he actually got more

1030
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 3: guaranteed from Tampa. But you were you were willing to

1031
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 3: give him one hundred and thirty million. They were only

1032
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 3: given him a hundred million, but the one hundred million

1033
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 3: was guaranteed as what like that's not more Like I

1034
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: need to know specifics when you're telling me that they

1035
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 3: turned down, because I don't believe they turned down anything

1036
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: significantly more than what they got. This is a guy

1037
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: who last year got drafted in the one hundred and nineties. Yeah,

1038
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: he played one game against practice squad players, Milton, and

1039
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 3: now he's all of a sudden worth.

1040
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: Right, what.

1041
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: A sixth round pick is which you got for him?

1042
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 3: You swap from the seventh round of the fifth round. Yep,

1043
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: that's basically the equivalent of a sixth rounder. That's what

1044
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: you got for him. That's what you that's what you

1045
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: paid for him, right. I don't believe that they had

1046
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 3: an offer for like a second round pick that they

1047
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 3: turned down. If that's what they wanted to honor his

1048
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: wishes to go.

1049
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 2: If that's true, then somebody should get fired.

1050
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 3: Then by all means, you know, criticize away. I don't

1051
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 3: believe that, prove.

1052
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: Prove it to me, and then okay, I'm with you.

1053
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: But I don't think they had.

1054
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe someone offered him a higher pick

1055
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: swap than that. Maybe maybe I don't even believe that,

1056
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: but maybe maybe it was higher.

1057
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: In the fifth round for perhaps, But other than that,

1058
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: I doubt sincerely that they trade they turned down significantly

1059
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: more than they got.

1060
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: Maybe they could have gotten him for a fifth rounder

1061
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: and not having to give up the seventh rounder.

1062
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: Yep. Is that that would be more right?

1063
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, seek anybody who actually watched Joe Milton in training

1064
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 4: camp last year, and watched all of his performance in

1065
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: preseason and then watched him in that final game. We're

1066
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 4: all on the same page. At some point. Some of

1067
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: these reports made everybody believe that he's a third round pick,

1068
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: and we've never seen it on the field. I've never

1069
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 4: seen that. He doesn't look like he looks like a

1070
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: sixth round pack. He looks like a guy who needs

1071
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 4: time to develop. He made strides clearly in that last game.

1072
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: But all right, Andrews in Portland, Maine. What's up, Andrew? Hey,

1073
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: what's going on?

1074
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 10: Hey?

1075
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 14: I just want to say that you're taking the call

1076
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 14: first time.

1077
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 9: Long time.

1078
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 10: You guys give me laughing. For years and years and years,

1079
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 10: I never call, but I always listened.

1080
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1081
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 10: I just wanting to give a quick thank you for

1082
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 10: the laugh. The Harvey Langey line, Fred the last show

1083
00:47:59,120 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 10: still has.

1084
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 14: Met me going.

1085
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 10: So I want to say thank you for that.

1086
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: Pleasure to you.

1087
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 14: Is I'm sick of the draft mock drafts, to look

1088
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 14: through them all.

1089
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 10: My question is produced when do we get the new

1090
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 10: uniforms tomorrow?

1091
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 9: Tomorrow?

1092
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: Probably?

1093
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 4: I think That's what I'm working on.

1094
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: How to talk about that? How to talk about new Union.

1095
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm excited as anybody people.

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Speaker 2: I guess may or somebody was holding up a Royal

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Speaker 2: Blue like a couple months ago or something. Who was

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Speaker 2: that holding out?

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Speaker 4: The hard thing, Fred is that you can't do royal

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Speaker 4: blue because it looks like buffalo. There's a lot of yeah,

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Speaker 4: be careful these days.

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Speaker 2: At the time, Okay, thanks Andrew, appreciate the call and

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Speaker 2: you listening. At the time Royal Blue came out, everyone

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Speaker 2: hated him. They thought they were the ugliest thing ever

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Speaker 2: soccer stripes.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 3: I didn't particularly like him.

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Speaker 2: Nobody did. Oh, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 3: So when they when they changed the uniform, I really

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Speaker 3: didn't like the helmet. That was the big, the big thing.

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Speaker 3: But then they had the first year of ninety three,

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Speaker 3: they had those blue shoes with red numbers. Yeah, you

1115
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Speaker 3: couldn't even then. They changed in ninety four they had

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Speaker 3: like a white number and the number was up on

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Speaker 3: the shoulder. I kind of liked those. The following year

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Speaker 3: they changed again and had the big elvis on the shoulder.

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Speaker 3: Hated that, and that's what they kind of They went

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Speaker 3: through the rest of the Royal Blue and that's the

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Speaker 3: soccer stripes. You kind of like the the dual Tones

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00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: stripes kind of looked odd to me, so I liked.

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Speaker 3: I liked what they eventually went to in two thousand,

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Speaker 3: you know, as Mike likes to call them the Championship uniforms,

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Speaker 3: the Dynasty uniform. Sorry I misspoke, the Dynasty uniform. I

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Speaker 3: liked that better, but I still like the old red,

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Speaker 3: red and white, red, white and blue better than anything

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Speaker 3: they've done since.

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Speaker 9: Apply, really good, Happy Friday, Happy Friday.

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Speaker 18: Just keep this consistent during season two. Well, Fridays call

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Speaker 18: on right now, we'll do Fridays. It's the best best

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Speaker 18: time to do it.

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Speaker 2: If if we just start with the rule change that just.

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Speaker 19: Touchback.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, how do you envision that impacting the return?

1171
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 18: You're going to cover a lot more kicks playing simple.

1172
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 18: I mean you don't want to start starting to drive.

1173
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 18: Start to be at thirty five. It was twenty five

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Speaker 18: two years ago, now at thirty Now thirty five, so

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Speaker 18: your odds are to cover more. And so as you're

1176
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 18: looking at the whole grand scheme of things, the kickers

1177
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 18: being very important.

1178
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 2: What you can do with that guy.

1179
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 9: He's got to have a tool box.

1180
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 18: He's got to be like a punter, right, He's got

1181
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 18: to be able to place the ball where you can

1182
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 18: put it, you know, put it line, drive it, corner it.

1183
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 18: Doubt though, that's going to be very very important now.

1184
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 18: So I think the kicker is probably your most important weapon,

1185
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 18: then your personally after that. But it's it's made a

1186
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 18: lot of change and kind of how we're going to

1187
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 18: approach this offseason.

1188
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 10: You know, from a kicker standpoint, Sure you lost the

1189
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 10: kicker Joey and you still have a guy's roster.

1190
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Speaker 11: Yeah, maybe you just kind of comment on what Joey

1191
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 11: they put you guys last year and what that position was.

1192
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 18: Like you guys, Yeah, I thought Joey came in did

1193
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 18: a great job for us in a whole, in a

1194
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 18: hole that we needed. He came in and won that

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00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 18: job last year and did some really good things for us,

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00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 18: and I hope he does a phenomenal job at Tennessee

1197
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 18: where he's going now with bones And now we're just looking,

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00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 18: you know, to replace a guy, and we got John

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Speaker 18: Parker on the roster. He knows already that we're gonna

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Speaker 18: bring in somebody else.

1201
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Speaker 3: You know.

1202
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 9: However, that process is to come compete to win the job.

1203
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 18: And I fully expect Parker to embrace that, which he will,

1204
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 18: and then wherever we come that comes in as new

1205
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 18: to embrace that. And then guy to come in and

1206
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 18: and be be great for us, come in and make

1207
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 18: all his field goals and help us win football games,

1208
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 18: and and also be a weapon on kickoff made the.

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Speaker 20: Routes that some credence.

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Speaker 4: What are you're looking for kicking across that?

1211
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: Uh?

1212
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Speaker 9: Well, first and foremost, the character part of it is

1213
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 9: really important. I don't want just a kicker.

1214
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 18: I want a guy that's that's gonna be great in

1215
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 18: the locker room, that can go out and hang out

1216
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 18: with with the tight end, with Hunter Henry, go hang

1217
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 18: out with Drake May and you know, hang out in

1218
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 18: the locker room, hang out outside of this place.

1219
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 9: And I want to guy a guy's guy, like an athlete.

1220
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 18: Overall that's consistently through college and or in the NFL

1221
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 18: where it's a free agent and or it's a college kid.

1222
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 18: You know, it doesn't matter. I don't know who we're

1223
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 18: gonna ge. Yeah, we're going through that process. But his consistency,

1224
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 18: the ball rotation, the ball flight, and now, like I

1225
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 18: just told Mike, there is the kickoff part of it.

1226
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 9: Like he can't just be one dimensional.

1227
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 18: He's a guy. It's like coach, I can't want to

1228
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 18: kick a deep left and it's gonna be end over

1229
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 18: animile when we're playing Camante Turpin. He's just gonna run

1230
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 18: underneath that thing. I'm the six kickoff and take it

1231
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 18: to the house. So those are just some of the

1232
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 18: things that I look for. But the most important thing

1233
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 18: is the character part.

1234
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 21: I think I'm not being mind that in terms of

1235
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 21: that sort of creativity the kickoffs that you're talking about,

1236
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 21: Like is there enough of those types of examples that

1237
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 21: you can find it on tape or do you have

1238
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 21: to work the guys out, you know, free draft to

1239
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 21: see if they can do those.

1240
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 9: Sorts team you guys see it.

1241
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 18: And so I'm at the pro days and the privates

1242
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 18: or and or I'm working with a free agency comes

1243
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 18: in for a workout, like they should know by now,

1244
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 18: like what that entails because we just had a year

1245
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 18: of it.

1246
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 9: So a lot of those guys are.

1247
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 18: Working on that technique now, they're working on the different

1248
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 18: types of kickoffs. They know how important it is. And

1249
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 18: and I'm just not the only one seeing it, right.

1250
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 18: All the thirty one coordinators want to see it as well,

1251
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 18: So they know that pretty u pretty pretty well often

1252
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 18: now whether.

1253
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Speaker 5: Draft when it comes to the kickers, you know, what

1254
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 5: do you see in this class? And you see guys

1255
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 5: that have drafticule grades that.

1256
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 18: The play options for you guys, Yeah, exactly, that's what

1257
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 18: That's what we've been doing, me and my assistant coach Quinn,

1258
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 18: Like we've been checking out the guys we've seen probably

1259
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 18: every kicker in the country, I think by now, so

1260
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 18: we've got a good foundation on what's out there, whether

1261
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 18: it's draftable or it's free agent whatnot. And you know,

1262
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 18: whatever process we go down when we get to draft

1263
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 18: weekend and.

1264
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 9: Or post draft, you know, we'll approach it.

1265
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 18: And that's why we have a plan for all of it, right,

1266
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 18: you know, draft, not draft, free agent. We have a

1267
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 18: plan in place for each each of those processes so

1268
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 18: that we can get the right guy.

1269
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 11: Intating that that the job of kickers kind of a

1270
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 11: train inventory job. You have guys have a good year,

1271
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 11: they think be a homepoort isis for you may be

1272
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 11: established some consistency with that position.

1273
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 18: You guys have had, Yeah, right, there's been a couple

1274
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 18: of guys now, so that's very important, right, I mean,

1275
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 18: I like being especially as coordinator. I want to I

1276
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 18: want to continue to do that and finding the kicker

1277
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 18: is a very important factor in that. So I take

1278
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 18: that job very very seriously, and I think it's very important.

1279
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 18: You want to build stability that they've had in the

1280
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 18: past here, right, you guys have had you guys have

1281
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 18: seen it in your own eyes, a lot of stability

1282
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 18: from the kicker standpoint, hasn't been that way in the

1283
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 18: last two years.

1284
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 9: So doing everything we can right now to find that piece.

1285
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 18: And it could be John Parker Romo, it could be

1286
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 18: somebody else, but whoever that is is going to have

1287
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 18: to win the job come that time.

1288
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 19: When to adding a kicker, whether it be free agency

1289
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 19: and draft, just the unique challenges that come with kicking

1290
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 19: in New England late in the year.

1291
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 10: How much do you weigh whether or not a guy

1292
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 10: has experienced anything at weather.

1293
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 18: I weigh it in and that's why I go work

1294
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 18: him out because I want to see, you know, not

1295
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 18: just off the sticks, you know, I want to see

1296
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 18: what he does outside, or I want to throw a

1297
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 18: little pressure on the guy. But sometimes that doesn't always equate.

1298
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 18: You know, if this kid that kicks him in Arizona

1299
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 18: or kit kis in California where it was always nice,

1300
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 18: you can still go watch him and see where how.

1301
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 9: The ball rotates, how hot hot high gets.

1302
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 18: First, the guy might kick the Michigan and yeah, he

1303
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 18: makes it every kick, but the ball's low and it

1304
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 18: kind of curves in.

1305
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 9: That isn't really equate to maybe a better kicker at

1306
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 9: this level.

1307
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 18: So I think the workout in person, whether wherever, wherever

1308
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 18: they kick in the country. I think it's just me

1309
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 18: seeing in person is really important.

1310
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 11: How familiar with you with Mac Collins before he got here,

1311
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 11: and what do you think he'd bring to special teams?

1312
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 9: I don't. I don't know him at all, didn't never

1313
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 9: met him, never talked to him.

1314
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 18: I've just heard nothing but great things about him, you know,

1315
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 18: on and off the field, from other coordinators that have

1316
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 18: coached him around the league. You know, first and foremost,

1317
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 18: I hope he comes in here and dominates the receiver

1318
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 18: and then we're secondary. I mean he I want him

1319
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 18: to come in here and play offense and do the

1320
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 18: best he can of offense, and we're gonna use him

1321
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 18: on special teams, then we use him. But if not,

1322
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 18: then that's okay. If he's dominant offense, we're a better

1323
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 18: team because of it.

1324
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 4: Sure mean with a new kickoff and especially coveredy new

1325
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 4: kick Coffson closet part timity kickoff team, the guys were

1326
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 4: blocking him on return.

1327
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 19: Being a different body type today.

1328
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 9: Than a couple of years ago, you guys were charging

1329
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 9: out for personnel.

1330
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 18: Yeah, you're definitely using a few more bigger bodies tight

1331
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 18: ends and outside linebackers than you were two years ago.

1332
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 18: But you still have a forty eight man roster and

1333
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 18: you still got to fill your needs in an offensive defense.

1334
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 18: So you still got to find a way. You know,

1335
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 18: if you're gonna be lighter because your team, your office

1336
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 18: deaves are lighter, then you gotta find ways around that

1337
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 18: with the kicks, with how you twist guys and how

1338
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 18: you place them. So you just got to maneuver. So

1339
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 18: it's not always like, oh, we're gonna have to do

1340
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 18: it this way and this way we're gonna do it

1341
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 18: because on kickoff return now is how you know. It's

1342
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 18: you have to base it off your team's personnel.

1343
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 15: The challenge is that because it's kind of going against

1344
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 15: the trend defensively where teams generally.

1345
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: Have some packages on the field for the pass.

1346
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: You find in lighter bodies other people mention the outside linebacks.

1347
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 18: Times you find a way. I mean, you have to adjust, man,

1348
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 18: you just or you die. Right, So it's like, hey,

1349
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 18: if we got a lighter team, find ways to be

1350
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 18: better because of it, you know, on kickoff, and find

1351
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 18: ways to do things differently than other teams are doing.

1352
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 9: That's what you gotta do completely the last year.

1353
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 22: But how excited to get the opportunity to stay for

1354
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 22: another year.

1355
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 10: And what has it been like working with my great

1356
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 10: so far?

1357
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 9: Been unbelievable, Grateful to have a job. And in this

1358
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 9: profession it's every year is a new year.

1359
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 18: Every year your job's on the line, and that's again,

1360
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 18: that's the job that we have and I fully understand that.

1361
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 18: To be able to stay for another year, I'm very

1362
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 18: grateful for the opportunity, Thanks for Coach Rabel and the

1363
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 18: organization for keep me on. And I'm just gonna take

1364
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 18: take ownership of that and do the best I can

1365
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 18: to be the best special teams for this team and

1366
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 18: the best coach for this team on special teams and

1367
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 18: do everything I can to help us win games.

1368
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 6: And now great moments in.

1369
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: History. You know he was also a stand up comedian.

1370
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 22: I heard that. Yeah, yeah, he said he started to

1371
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 22: get too big, right?

1372
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 2: Is that what he said?

1373
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 22: Started to get too much of a following?

1374
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 6: Matt that you know why I left the Herald. I

1375
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 6: was too successful, right, I had a to the Patriots.

1376
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: He was too big.

1377
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 22: He didn't want to travel, No.

1378
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: He didn't want to travel, did not he didn't.

1379
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 22: Want to travel on the road for the show. Started

1380
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 22: to getting too big, too funny.

1381
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 6: You know, really, I don't think she never said that

1382
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 6: to us was big. He wouldn't dare I.

1383
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 22: Heard that he said he was starting to get too big.

1384
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: He twice he told us that he was good at

1385
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: it and that his style was like Jerry Seinfeld.

1386
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: Remember he compared himself to sign observational humor.

1387
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 14: Right.

1388
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: So he never said that he was overly successful and

1389
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: that that's why he got out of the business. Never

1390
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 3: said that to us.

1391
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: He said, they kept asking me back. I'm like it

1392
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: was open mic nights.

1393
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 6: That's another great moment from.

1394
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: Big Back here and Patriots on filtered eight five to

1395
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: five past five hundred is the hotline podcast said, Patriots

1396
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: dot com is the email address. He was too big,

1397
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: He was too big. Evan's back. I just spent some

1398
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: time with uh Harvey and Marcus Jones.

1399
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 5: It's funny because now he's Harvey Langy, Like I can't

1400
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 5: get it out of my head.

1401
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 2: So that's tough.

1402
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 5: Harold Landry was here. Yes, first time we've talked to

1403
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 5: him since he in a press conference setting. We you know,

1404
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 5: had him on the website, but first time we've talked

1405
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 5: to him in a press conference in signing with the Patriots,

1406
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 5: and he basically said, as soon as the writing was

1407
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 5: all in the wall in Tennessee, he had Rabel on

1408
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 5: the other line, you know, waiting for him. So it

1409
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 5: sounded like that was pretty much a done deal quickly

1410
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 5: within the parameters I'm sure of NFL rules.

1411
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 3: Well, he could have done it the next day, you

1412
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: got really Yeah.

1413
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I met like when he was still under contract

1414
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 5: for the Titans. I don't know if maybe they had

1415
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: talked about it with trade possibilities and stuff, but yeah,

1416
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 5: it sounds like that was both sides were eager to

1417
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 5: get that done as soon as he became available.

1418
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: How about Marcus Jones to hear from him?

1419
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Marcus.

1420
01:01:58,400 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 2: He mentioned Germany, he did.

1421
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, big fan of Dusseldorf, big fan of of all

1422
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 5: the Patriots fans that were there. He said he couldn't

1423
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 5: believe how many Patriots fans we were there for the festivities.

1424
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 5: And I also thought it was interesting. Got a couple

1425
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 5: of Travis Hunter questions as somebody that's played, you know,

1426
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 5: on both sides of the ball in the NFL, and

1427
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 5: he said he wouldn't you know, say you can't do it.

1428
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 5: He would never say anybody can't. But he admitted that

1429
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 5: playing both ways in the NFL full time is lofty.

1430
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 5: He said, it's a long season, you know, and I

1431
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 5: think he was talking about injuries and you know, bumps

1432
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 5: and bruises and all that kind of stuff catching up. Yeah,

1433
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 5: so he he's he kind of made it sound like

1434
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say never, but unlikely.

1435
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 3: That he's his injury status now physically.

1436
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 5: He wasn't asked about that, which surprised me. But it

1437
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 5: does seem like he's a surprise. So he's been in

1438
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 5: He told us that he's been in the buildings and

1439
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 5: you know, in and out since February. But I'm assuming

1440
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 5: to get rechecked, you know, medically, but he's he's participating

1441
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 5: at least in the workouts.

1442
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: Shoulder he sometimes you know me cte. He did finish

1443
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 3: the season on correct correct.

1444
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, he missed the last game of the season.

1445
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: No one asked him about that.

1446
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: We got it there you go. But you did both

1447
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: of them speak at length? Was it long? It was?

1448
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 5: They were laid and then like a little staggered in

1449
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 5: terms of the time.

1450
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, its because of the stagger. There you go,

1451
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: good friend like that. I did that. It was for me.

1452
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean, was there a big contingent?

1453
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 5: Not a big contingent.

1454
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: But people stayed up late for the game last night.

1455
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 5: So then each outlet had a representative. I would say,

1456
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 5: you know, not everybody. You know, mass I didn't send

1457
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 5: their entire you know, starting five to this, but they

1458
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 5: had somebody there.

1459
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Hip injury was what Marcus Jones was dealing.

1460
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 3: I just guys don't finish the previous season. I would

1461
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 3: think the next time you talk to them, that would

1462
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 3: be something that should work its way in.

1463
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: I was expecting that question Germany.

1464
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 5: He was, you know how that goes? But yeah, no

1465
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 5: he I think with Marcus Jones, he's still trying to

1466
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 5: get a sense for Very Bowl and the coaching staff,

1467
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 5: and he was asked a few questions about that and

1468
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 5: he's like, it's it's day two. You know, I really couldn't.

1469
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell you, you know, asked me again in

1470
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 5: a couple of months, but for.

1471
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: That question, right, yeah, exactly.

1472
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 4: The reason that you can only say the word football

1473
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 4: three times a day and that's it, but you can

1474
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 4: say foot. You can look at a football you can

1475
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 4: you just can't say football.

1476
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 5: There is music though apparently it was like one thing

1477
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 5: that stood.

1478
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 2: Out to music during the press conference.

1479
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 7: No, no, no, Raybel, I guess plays music that that's

1480
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 7: very high on Mike Rabel's yeah west throughout the hallways

1481
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 7: always yeah.

1482
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1483
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 4: He's getting serious about his music too, right, like we're

1484
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 4: all not too.

1485
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: He's getting music from muzach like is it contemporary songs?

1486
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 2: Who's picking it? House DJ?

1487
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 4: Whats going on?

1488
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 5: This is well, this is an investigative reporter of question.

1489
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 5: I don't. All I know is is that there's music.

1490
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 5: And it does sound like Rabel has the ox chord.

1491
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 5: I don't think that's a thing anymore. It connects to

1492
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 5: the bluetooth.

1493
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: Uh you know in my car.

1494
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 5: Okay, you know, I think I aged myself with the

1495
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 5: ox cord. But yeah, it does sound like maybe you know,

1496
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 5: it's early, so maybe Rabel made the playlist for for now,

1497
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 5: but does sound like you. Harold Landry was a little like,

1498
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 5: I think we could do better with the music. He

1499
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 5: was like it was fine, you know, whatever floats his boat.

1500
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 5: I think what's his answer?

1501
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 3: Playing a little country eighties nineties rock?

1502
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 4: I would guess the.

1503
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 2: Rable Wheelhouse playing like Jethro Tull.

1504
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 4: Oh, people like what the flute out?

1505
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: Let's go NOTQO long all right? Anything else to report?

1506
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: What did you think about Travis Hunter yesterday talking about

1507
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 2: being able to play every play both sides of the

1508
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 2: ball are wanting to.

1509
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 5: I'm sure he wants to.

1510
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you like that, you like that?

1511
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 4: I like that.

1512
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 5: I don't think it really sways me one way or another.

1513
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 5: I love the play like I take the player all day,

1514
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 5: but I do take Marcus Jones that face. I mean,

1515
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 5: if anybody would know what it's like to have to

1516
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 5: prepare to play multiple, you know, positions on both sides

1517
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 5: of the ball, it would be Marcus Jones. And it's

1518
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 5: probably the closest thing we have, honestly, to what Travis

1519
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 5: Hunter has been able to pull off. I mean, Marcus

1520
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 5: Jones played even more receiver in college. You know, he

1521
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 5: played ten to fifteen snaps a game at times at

1522
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 5: Houston at wide receivers. So him saying that it's probably

1523
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 5: not possible, I think speaks volumes.

1524
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 4: But they are the common well known examples of wide

1525
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 4: receivers playing cornerback other than Troy Brown and Julian Edelman

1526
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 4: doing it here. I'm so focused on here.

1527
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 2: College champ Bailey, champ Deon Sanders.

1528
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 3: Champ Bailey would be an example.

1529
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, champ Bailey did it in college almost as much

1530
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 5: as Travis Hunter.

1531
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 2: Really he did.

1532
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, going way back like Mel Gray, No,

1533
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 3: not Mel Gray, sorry, Roy Green different, Saint Louis Cardinal,

1534
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: he played some wide receiver. He actually transitioned full time

1535
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 3: to wide receiver eventually, but he played a little of both.

1536
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, champ Bailey is a good example at Georgia,

1537
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 3: but once he got to the pro Dion played a

1538
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 3: lot of receiver for Dallas.

1539
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1540
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, champ Bailly is the guy that he Travis Hunder

1541
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 5: gets a lot of champ Bailey comps because they played

1542
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 5: both ways in college.

1543
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 4: So it's funny because they always hear they make fun

1544
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 4: of people like if he could catch, he would have

1545
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 4: played receiver. But Charlad Hunder seems like he's got elite

1546
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 4: ball skills, but he's still gravitated more towards cornerback, right

1547
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 4: was that? I think that's been more his position right

1548
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 4: over the course of this career.

1549
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 3: The people that don't think that he could do both

1550
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: I think there's more people that think he's a better

1551
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 3: corner than wide receiver.

1552
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know. That doesn't mean they're right.

1553
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 2: Kieren in Ireland, says Fred, referring to Harold Landry as

1554
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 2: Harvey Langy was my favorite moment of the off season

1555
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: so far.

1556
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 3: To Reitery, was Harvey Lang Right, It wasn't even.

1557
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 5: I'm just worried. I'm gonna call it like it's going

1558
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 5: to stick in my head now that Harold Landry is.

1559
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 16: Oh, I know.

1560
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 3: We thought that he may have been thinking of Harvey Longi,

1561
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 3: but he quickly corrected us on that. No, no, no, no, no,

1562
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 3: that's not who he was thinking of. He was thinking

1563
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 3: of Harvey lang who was actual Harold Landry, not KD.

1564
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 3: Lang Not not to be confused with KD, A small

1565
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 3: K called small D.

1566
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 2: Right, let's see, Mike writes in and he says, lifelong

1567
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 2: Patriots fan, been watching since Mike didn't have white hair

1568
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: and Paul had hair. Oh, I need some Paul therapy.

1569
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 3: You've been around for a long time than my friend.

1570
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: I need some Paul therapy. I'll try. Obviously, since the

1571
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 2: start of the season, we've wanted hunters and I'm so

1572
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: stoked that these stooge franchises might convince themselves they need

1573
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and Hunter slides to us. But as the draft

1574
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 2: gets close and I've watched more Campbell film and interviews,

1575
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 2: part of me wants Hunter to be taken, so the

1576
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 2: Patriots will draft Campbell. Super mixed feelings here? Am I alone?

1577
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: Please help? I asked you for therapy. Yeah, I don't know.

1578
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 3: I can't give you therapy. I've been pretty consistent on

1579
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 3: Will Campbell. To me, it's all about his potential to

1580
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 3: play the position, right, But what do you think? I

1581
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 3: don't know enough to really have an opinion.

1582
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: I don't have an opinion.

1583
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 9: No, I.

1584
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: Can't tell you from watching a guy play in college.

1585
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 3: It's not my profession to say that guy's not going

1586
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 3: to be able to play tackle at the NFL level.

1587
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 3: He's playing tackle at a high level in the SEC.

1588
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 3: To me, hey, why can't he play? But experts seem

1589
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 3: to be split on that. Some think he can. Some

1590
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 3: think that the armlength there's going to be an issue.

1591
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think that Will Campbell is

1592
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 3: a really good prospect. So I just I don't feel

1593
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 3: qualified to say like he can't play Taco in the NFL.

1594
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 4: I think for me, it's like I said earlier, If

1595
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 4: it's not Carter or Hunter at fourth overall, I'm gonna

1596
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 4: have some questions at the fourth overall pick. I really

1597
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 4: love Will Campbell. I love you know what the caller

1598
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 4: said about his attitude. His demeanor brings a little bit

1599
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 4: of swag to the position. But is it stupid that

1600
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 4: like I would feel so much better to take him

1601
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 4: at sixth than I would at fourth, Like it would

1602
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 4: make me feel a little bit better to take him

1603
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 4: a little bit lower to offset some of the uncertainty.

1604
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 2: If we can get Campbell in an extra pick, yeah,

1605
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm sign me up.

1606
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 4: You know, I just think there's some uncertainty no matter

1607
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 4: who it is. If it's not Carter or Hunter at four,

1608
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 4: there will be some debate about whether this pick will

1609
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 4: work or not, whether you're taking somebody that you're projecting

1610
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 4: or what.

1611
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 2: Let me throw this out a thought. If the Patriots

1612
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 2: end up picking at four mm, HM would be safe

1613
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: to assume that they did not have a trade down partner.

1614
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 2: That in other words, if they can trade down, they're

1615
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: gonna trade down.

1616
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 3: But if they love the guy or well, it's not

1617
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1618
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: That's okay. That's why I'm asking, is it safe to

1619
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 2: assume you can say no, it's not safe to assume no.

1620
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: I think you might be you might be right, but

1621
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's an assumption that I'd be willing

1622
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 3: to make because they might really like whoever they take

1623
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 3: it for.

1624
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure they're gonna like who they took

1625
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: you know, you know what I mean.

1626
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 3: I'm talking about really liking not telling us like we

1627
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 3: didn't want to trade, right, right.

1628
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 5: I don't know, but we didn't want to trade, but

1629
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 5: I don't know if the package is going to be there.

1630
01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I mean.

1631
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 3: So, like, I don't think you're going to have any offers.

1632
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 2: If the Patriots get at four and there's no Carter,

1633
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: there's no Hunter, would the Patriots prefer to trade down?

1634
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 2: That's the question I.

1635
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 3: Would If that's the question, I would say probably yes.

1636
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 2: And you possibly miss out on a guy like Campbell

1637
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: then right, Yeah.

1638
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 5: I think it depends like on what is coming back, like,

1639
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 5: it depends on the offer. You know, I'm not trading

1640
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 5: down just to trade down, sure, but if it's a

1641
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 5: good enough.

1642
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 3: Offer, whatever you think is a good enough offer. Would

1643
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 3: they rather do that or take somebody?

1644
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 2: I would assume probably there's no you know me too,

1645
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: This isn't the Patriots. This is so In other words,

1646
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: there's no guy other than Carter or Hunter that the

1647
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 2: Patriots say we're not trading. We like this guy at four,

1648
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: we are not trading. Here's no one that they would

1649
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: be willing to say that about. It makes me feel good.

1650
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 3: I'd like to think that they felt that way about Like,

1651
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 3: if they have that kind of conviction about Will Campbell, Yeah,

1652
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 3: I think that that would ease my fears a little bit.

1653
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 5: I think the only way that I could see that

1654
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 5: is if they truly feel that Campbell's the only true

1655
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 5: left tackle in that range, Like if they're not, if

1656
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 5: they're more convinced of him playing tackle than Membu flipping

1657
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 5: sides right, Like, if they don't feel like Membo is

1658
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 5: truly a left tackle and is a right more of

1659
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 5: a right tackle, then I guess maybe you'd feel compelled

1660
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 5: to not lose out on Campbell. But I'm sure that

1661
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 5: if they had a good offer, and you know something

1662
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 5: I've been just thinking about, would team trade up for

1663
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 5: shaudor like it sounds to me like he's at least

1664
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 5: in the conversation for the Browns at two and the

1665
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 5: Giants at three. I don't know if he's gonna win

1666
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 5: out and they're gonna take him.

1667
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: But well that's our only hope. But they're at least.

1668
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 5: Discussing him as an option there, which tells me that

1669
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 5: it's not completely crazy to think that he's a top

1670
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 5: ten pick in the draft. So is New Orleans at nine?

1671
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 5: You know, do they say, well, we're gonna jump Vegas.

1672
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 5: We're gonna make sure nobody you know, behind us comes

1673
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 5: up and gets them, and we're gonna go from nine

1674
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 5: to four and draft shedor But.

1675
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 2: You can you could probably go from nine to five

1676
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 2: and get Shador, right.

1677
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, But if somebody calls the Patriots at four and

1678
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 5: offers them something, you know, somebody, Yeah, that's in your way,

1679
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 5: then maybe you make the trade anyway, and then it's

1680
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 5: a quarterback trade, so then you're getting a little bit

1681
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 5: more if you're the Patriots. Like that's the problem is

1682
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 5: if you're thinking about trade down and they're only trading

1683
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 5: up to draft Will Campbell or draft ash and genty

1684
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 5: or something, you're not gonna get what you would get

1685
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 5: if it was a quarterback, right, So if four turns

1686
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 5: into a quarterback pick and four is where Shador is

1687
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 5: gonna go, then now all of a sudden there might

1688
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 5: be a market for four.

1689
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, that seems the only way that that path happens

1690
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 4: is that the other two guys, Carter and Hunter go

1691
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 4: up top. It pushes shut Or down. Yeah, and do

1692
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 4: somebody want him? That's that, to me is really the

1693
01:14:58,600 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 4: big question.

1694
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 3: A lot of people asking, yeah, well, what do you

1695
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 3: guys think like percentages? Maybe, I mean I I.

1696
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 4: Just the thing for me is I couldn't have predicted

1697
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 4: last year that bo Nix was going to go as

1698
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 4: high as he was. The league values quarterbacks so much,

1699
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 4: and that, to me is the great unknown that we

1700
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 4: can hear all these questions about shod Or and see, yeah,

1701
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 4: he's a first round pick, but is he a top

1702
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 4: ten pick? But I still think a team will probably

1703
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 4: reach him, and I do think a team will likely

1704
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,560
Speaker 4: be interested to trade up for him, even if to me,

1705
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 4: on paper, it makes the most sense to just sit

1706
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 4: back and wait and if you don't get him, you

1707
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 4: don't get them.

1708
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen, And that's

1709
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 3: if you're asking me, now, now sit back and stay

1710
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 3: three weeks, right, something like that.

1711
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 10: Two.

1712
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if if New Orleans just talked themselves

1713
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 3: into him, I think they just sit tight at nine

1714
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 3: and pick them at nine. Yeah, I mean I think

1715
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 3: that's the most likely scenario.

1716
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 5: There's definitely a case for that. I think you just

1717
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,440
Speaker 5: look at some of those teams lurking. You know, Pittsburgh

1718
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 5: for example. You know there.

1719
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh would be Denver, Denver move up football. I might

1720
01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 3: misremembering that it was maybe a couple of picks, but yeah,

1721
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 3: so Pittsburgh could do it.

1722
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, A team like Pittsburgh looks at it and says,

1723
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 5: you know, we want to come up to and we're

1724
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 5: gonna jump New Orleans.

1725
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1726
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 5: And if your New Orleans do you say, yeah, well,

1727
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 5: we're going to get to the front of the line.

1728
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the way the pick has value.

1729
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 3: That's what the Patriots need to hold.

1730
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 2: Do we know it's your door going to Green Bay?

1731
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 2: Is he going to be at the draft? I don't know,

1732
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 2: but j be there.

1733
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1734
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 5: I know that they're they're trying to get more guys

1735
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 5: to go to the draft and not do things on

1736
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 5: their own. But Dion seems like a like we're gonna

1737
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 5: sell marketing deals to Buffalo Wild Wings or something, and

1738
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 5: we're gonna make millions off of Best Draft.

1739
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 4: I was just thinking though, to Fred's point talking about

1740
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 4: this is that if they aren't able to trade down,

1741
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 4: that they're gonna have to do a little bit of

1742
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 4: a cell job. I think on that fourth pick of

1743
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 4: saying this is the guy we wanted, they can't go

1744
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 4: in and kind of insinuate like, well, we kind of

1745
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 4: want to get out of the spot we got stuck,

1746
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,560
Speaker 4: like they have to probably come out you sell and

1747
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 4: like sell like this was he was there.

1748
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: I have exhibit A to my left just Fred, Fred

1749
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 3: can run this whole thing. You have an incredible knack

1750
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 3: of making every pick exactly what you wanted, and I

1751
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 3: think that's all you'd have to do. Okay, No, just

1752
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 3: like I think that's an easy thing to do. You

1753
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 3: don't have to go out and say, well, you know,

1754
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 3: we really wanted to move down there, but we had

1755
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 3: to make up pick. So welcome Will Campbell. Like they're

1756
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 3: not going to do that.

1757
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: No, no team does that.

1758
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 5: But I feel like with Will Campbell, it's the position

1759
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 5: need is so glaring that that's that's an easy sell.

1760
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 12: Right.

1761
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 5: We needed a left tackle. We took the best left tackle.

1762
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 5: You know, if they take Jalen Walker, then people, I

1763
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 5: think are going to be like another linebacker, like, you know,

1764
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 5: what are we doing?

1765
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 10: Right?

1766
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 5: But if you take a guy like Campbell, you know,

1767
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 5: then you can sit there and say.

1768
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 2: Well, and he played left tackle plug and play right

1769
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 2: since he was born practically, Yeah, Tim and California right saying,

1770
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 2: longtime listener, haven't missed the show in two years. Agree

1771
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 2: with Paul, bring back the old red uniform to get

1772
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 2: rid of the Buffalo blueberry uniforms. I disagree with Deuce Will.

1773
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 2: Campbell at four is our pick. He played in the

1774
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: SEC for several years at left tackle that should mean something.

1775
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 2: He's better than any other tackle and has that Logan

1776
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 2: Mankins aggressive and violent attitude. I like Jayden Higgins in

1777
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 2: the second round, as Steven Smith Senior praised everything about

1778
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 2: him while pointing out that Ted McMillan does not play

1779
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: physical enough for his size and needs more coaching. Lastly,

1780
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 2: at the third pick, grabbed the center from Georgia. Jared

1781
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 2: Wilson the third pick, third round, third pick.

1782
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 5: Jared Wilson's he's a good player, but it's a little

1783
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 5: early first center.

1784
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 4: I will not be disappointed at all if Will Campbell

1785
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 4: is the selection. I just I would feel a little

1786
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 4: bit better if you mitigated the risks by picking up

1787
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 4: maybe an extra pick to trade down a couple spots

1788
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 4: and still take him. But if they have to stick

1789
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 4: and pick and take Will Campbell, I totally agree with

1790
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 4: what he's saying. He's a left tackle.

1791
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 3: Just don't say we had a stick and pick.

1792
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 2: Don't say.

1793
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 3: Wolf whoever. We weren't going anywhere we're hearing from Campbell

1794
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 3: fell to us. We knew different terminology when you're selling.

1795
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 9: It to us.

1796
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 4: Plus, my son's name is Campbell, so I get Campbell

1797
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 4: jersey for you.

1798
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 3: So that's no, he's no Tyson Campbell. That was the

1799
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 3: ultimate traffic for you.

1800
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 2: Right, let's go back to the hot line. We'll go

1801
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 2: to Tim and Seattle. Hey Tim, some yeah that's going

1802
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 2: Hey Tim, it's a come down.

1803
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 3: He does sound to the north in Seattle. It's probably

1804
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:28,680
Speaker 3: raining raining here too.

1805
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,479
Speaker 2: Don't don't complain it is.

1806
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 19: Raining, But I was just fat home in Boston was

1807
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 19: raining all weekend.

1808
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 2: Right, So that's what you're pissed that. I understand. You

1809
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: try to get away from the rain and you get

1810
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 2: more rain.

1811
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:41,759
Speaker 14: Yeah, blame it on the rain anyway.

1812
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 19: So my feeling about I love Abdul Carter as a player,

1813
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 19: but I can't get over this feeling that if we

1814
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 19: pick him, it's just going to feel like a luxury

1815
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 19: pick and we're not really helping Drake May and you.

1816
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 2: Will you only have to score fifteen points to win the.

1817
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 14: Game, I know.

1818
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 19: That's My feeling is like, are we going back to

1819
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 19: this thing of like, well, we just got to score

1820
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 19: a couple of touchdowns and you know, we're praying to

1821
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 19: God that you know, the offense can handle it. But

1822
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 19: I really think we need to address offense in this draft.

1823
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 19: And my feeling is, you know, I'm going to be

1824
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 19: happy with Will Campbell or Tyler Warren, any of those

1825
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 19: guys are trade down with Matthew Golden, but I think

1826
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 19: we definitely need to pick up the tackle and wide

1827
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 19: receiver in the first couple of rounds.

1828
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: And it's kind of it's the.

1829
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 19: Only one I'm going to be happy coming out of

1830
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 19: this draft.

1831
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 2: Okay, there, all right? Thanks Tim?

1832
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 3: Those are the major needs, no doubt.

1833
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, boys, he's down, he's listened to. Now, imagine if

1834
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: they don't pick offense.

1835
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 3: I was, I was actually mast forwarding to the Thursday night,

1836
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 3: April twenty fourth. Yeah, and you know we've picked and

1837
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 3: it's not the guy that anybody wants.

1838
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get a.

1839
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 3: Lot of those kinds of people could talk themselves into

1840
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 3: because it's an offensive player. But if it's a defensive place,

1841
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 3: you know, if it's Mason Graham.

1842
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get what he's saying. I also just though

1843
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 4: the more of the team building you go through, it's

1844
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 4: like you can't orchestrate what you're going to be able

1845
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 4: to get. And sometimes you have an opportunity and are

1846
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 4: you going to be maybe a little bit heavy on

1847
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,840
Speaker 4: one side of the ball or one position maybe, But

1848
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 4: if you have a chance to draft a player who's

1849
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 4: clearly head and shoulders above the rest, you.

1850
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 3: Have to do it. And I mean that Duel Carter

1851
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 3: is the guy that reason yeah to take.

1852
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 4: I know I'm not using this as a you know,

1853
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 4: as an excuse me, but you know, last year, like

1854
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 4: it didn't really line up that they got to tackle,

1855
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 4: like they should have found a way to get one.

1856
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 4: But it wasn't easy, and they didn't figure out a

1857
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 4: way to do it. Sometimes that happens, and that was

1858
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 4: an extreme case last year. That really was, you know,

1859
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 4: unacceptable how it ultimately worked out. But you know, you

1860
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 4: just you have to take what's available to you. And

1861
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 4: that's why you were lucky last year. When you needed

1862
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 4: a quarterback, you got the quarterback. You don't have this

1863
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 4: em luck though probably this year. That's the that's the problem.

1864
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 2: Uh, let's go back to the phones. Eldred's in North Carolina.

1865
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 2: What's up, Eldred, Aldred, Biggie Aldred? What's up? Aldred?

1866
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 9: Oh?

1867
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: Well, must have gotten pulled over. Yeah, maybe maybe he's

1868
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 2: talking to the officer. Dave's in Atlanta.

1869
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 10: Hey, Dave, Hey am I aunt?

1870
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 14: Yes, Hey guys, how you doing.

1871
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 10: Uh? I listened to every show. I don't know if

1872
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 10: you get a chance to call in because I'm always

1873
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 10: on the road. But I had a chance today and

1874
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 10: I wanted to call in. Uh so thanks to taking

1875
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 10: my call. Anyways, Uh a long time, take your sandwich season,

1876
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 10: take it holding back in the seventies. I have three thoughts.

1877
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 10: If you can bear with me, because I never get

1878
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 10: a chance to call I'm trying to be brief. I

1879
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 10: have thoughts on the free agency class, thoughts on the draft, uh,

1880
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 10: and I'm a one player at the current Rock. The

1881
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 10: reason I called in today is because Evan talked to

1882
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 10: him today and that's Mark Film. So my thoughts on

1883
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 10: Pots go right to Marcus Jones. I believe Marcus Jones

1884
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 10: is not a good fit for the current scheme as

1885
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 10: they're probably setting it up, and I think he's going

1886
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 10: to be a cut candidate coming out of camp, and

1887
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 10: I really think that they should explore because I agree

1888
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 10: with Evan. I think that they're going to end up

1889
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 10: using Gigs in the slot. I think McDaniels is going

1890
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 10: to try to maximize the root leunning ability over the

1891
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 10: Bill and so I think Pop Belts is going to

1892
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 10: have a lot of reduced playing time this year if

1893
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 10: Bigs is healthy. And I would like to see them

1894
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 10: trying to take Marcus Jones and move him permanently to

1895
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 10: offense and make him a punt returner and make him

1896
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 10: a spot receiver, have him played behind Digs. It's them

1897
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 10: playing time on there because I think if they don't

1898
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 10: do that, I think Mark Stones is not going to

1899
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 10: be on the roster this year. Thought in the free

1900
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 10: agency class is I think they had a good class.

1901
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 10: I did a good job plugging some holes, But I

1902
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 10: think we have to pump the brakes the fit on

1903
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 10: being overly excited about how much they've transformed the team.

1904
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 10: I like the Carlton Davis signing. I think that these

1905
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 10: two linebackers they picked up are good signings. They're good

1906
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 10: team fits. But let's be honest. I mean, you're not

1907
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 10: gonna win a super Bowl with Jack Gibbons because a

1908
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 10: undrafted CRE agency you know, man in the middle of

1909
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 10: the defense once you got a bunch of all frozen

1910
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 10: around them. Uh so because Jack Gibbons that you know

1911
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 10: that other linebacker, Slane he is a good player. But

1912
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 10: I personally think that this CRE agency class set them

1913
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,679
Speaker 10: up for what Label wants to do in the draft,

1914
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 10: which the really focused on the front seven and on

1915
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 10: the offensive line. I think there's zero Camps, zero Champs

1916
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 10: that they're gonna take cash and vanity or style of Warren.

1917
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 10: I don't think these guys are on their radar unless

1918
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 10: they stay down. I think that what they're gonna do

1919
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 10: is they're gonna take Will Campbell. Uh and if Will

1920
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 10: Campbell isn't available. It's only because they trade down and

1921
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 10: they lose the opportunity to get them.

1922
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 9: Uh.

1923
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 10: And then in that case, maybe they take Jalen Walker

1924
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 10: or something like that. But I think Campbell, you know,

1925
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 10: like we talked about Hunter and Uh and Carter, those

1926
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 10: are both transcendent talents. I don't know how Brabib will

1927
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 10: be able to resist taking Carter if he's available. I mean,

1928
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 10: it's the anchor that that pass rush. I think that

1929
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 10: would be undeniable, irresistible. However, the reality is that we

1930
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 10: can't lose the focus on the game plan of what

1931
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 10: they're trying to do.

1932
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 9: Uh.

1933
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 10: We have a quarterback and a rookie contract and he's

1934
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,759
Speaker 10: going to potentially be a superstar if we don't protect

1935
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 10: his buyings. But we've been kicking tackle down the road

1936
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 10: since the last Super Bowl. We haven't addressed it in

1937
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 10: the years, and I think the criminal that we're actually

1938
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 10: talking about, well, you know, like I love Evan, I

1939
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 10: love I love your thanks Sevin and the receivers and

1940
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 10: everything as great as Tavinth Hunter could be. When you

1941
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,560
Speaker 10: don't have to build the house before you furnish it,

1942
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 10: I'm sorry, you've got to get the trench expect. I

1943
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 10: don't care how great Sabath hunt is going to be.

1944
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 12: You've got to.

1945
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 10: Get a tackle at the top of the straft. I'm serious,

1946
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 10: if you're a tackle or maybe maybe I could be

1947
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 10: talking to Carnor uh, but personally, I would take Will

1948
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 10: Campbell even if Carnor and Sabbath under on the boarder.

1949
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 10: That's that's I just really think they need to solidify

1950
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 10: that position UH as priority number one, and if they

1951
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 10: get a chance to do it for I think they

1952
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 10: got to do it. That's all I got got.

1953
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Dave. So, I mean, I get I

1954
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: get what he's saying. I understand, But but here's my thing.

1955
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 2: If they don't address tackle at in the first round

1956
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,560
Speaker 2: with Will Campbell, that doesn't mean I don't believe. That

1957
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that they don't believe they still have to

1958
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 2: address tackle. I think that they'll do other things to

1959
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: address that spot this offseason, whether it's bringing in Tyron

1960
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 2: Smith drafting, but.

1961
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 3: It might not even be this year.

1962
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 2: Like well, I don't think I would just I would

1963
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:51,639
Speaker 2: just take this year what they did last.

1964
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 3: I would just push back on the kicking the can

1965
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 3: down the road. If they don't think that Will Campbell

1966
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 3: is a left tackle of the future. I don't think

1967
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 3: not taking him represents kicking the can down the road.

1968
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 3: It's evaluating the talent that's available.

1969
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 2: But even if they do think that Will Campbell's going

1970
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 2: to be a great, a good tackle in this league,

1971
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 2: if you've got Travis Hunter or Carter, you got to

1972
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: take him.

1973
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but that's a different argument.

1974
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 2: I just he said he would even take that.

1975
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 4: No, I know that's how.

1976
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 3: He feels about it. And obviously we feel differently about

1977
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 3: Catter and Hunter. I think all four of us would

1978
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 3: take either Catter or Hunter if they're available, right, But

1979
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 3: I just I don't think that it's like this huge

1980
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 3: misstep if they don't think that Will Campbell's as good

1981
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 3: as you think he is. Like, I don't know how

1982
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 3: they feel about Will Campbell. Maybe they don't think of

1983
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 3: him as a left tackle. And by the way, Kansas

1984
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 3: City has won a fair amount of Super Bowls without

1985
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 3: kicking the can down the road with their offensive line. Yeah,

1986
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 3: Philadelphia has a great offensive line they've invested heavily in

1987
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 3: and they just won the Super Bowl. That's one way

1988
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 3: to do it. But I don't believe in the whole.

1989
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 3: You have to build the foundation before the Like, there's

1990
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,840
Speaker 3: a million different ways to build a great football team,

1991
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 3: and Kansas City and Philadelphia went about it in pretty

1992
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 3: much entirely different ways.

1993
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 5: I just think it comes back to, you know, in

1994
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 5: my opinion, bad teams stay bad by passing on talent

1995
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 5: for need right when you especially at that point in

1996
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:16,560
Speaker 5: the draft, there's no way that Travis Hunter is not

1997
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 5: ahead of Will Campbell on your board. There's there's no

1998
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 5: way that you have a higher grade on Will Campbell.

1999
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 5: So you're taking a lesser talent at that spot as

2000
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 5: a team that won four football games last year, Like

2001
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,960
Speaker 5: that's that's not good business, that's not good managing of

2002
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 5: the of your assets. So if you take Travis Hunter

2003
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 5: at the top of the draft, like now, we can't

2004
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 5: get arianta Ursery or Josh Connery or Josh Simmons or

2005
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 5: you know, like there's no other options like that.

2006
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying not taking Will Campbell doesn't recom

2007
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 3: doesn't to me represent kicking the canbell. And and let's

2008
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 3: just say, like another thing that Dave said, and I

2009
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 3: love Dave's call, by the way, but just sort of

2010
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 3: given the other side of this. So Dave mentioned that

2011
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 3: they have a potential superstar quarterback that they have to protect. Well,

2012
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 3: if he's right, If Dave is right and Drake May

2013
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 3: is a superstar in the making, I'm not sure he

2014
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 3: needs the number four overall pick to be a left

2015
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 3: tackle because he's a superstar, right, he doesn't need that level.

2016
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 2: He can be like, well, he needs competent play, but

2017
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 2: he doesn't need a stupid correct and you.

2018
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 3: Can pay before what Evan says. And a guy in

2019
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 3: the second round who can do you know, a serviceable job.

2020
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 3: Nate Solder can can play, you know, instead of someone

2021
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 3: taking the fourth overall pick. Ye, right, you know he

2022
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,840
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be If the better the quarterback is,

2023
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 3: the more room you have for error on the margins.

2024
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 3: You know, maybe if you get him a really good

2025
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 3: wide receiver, like if Travis Hunter was available, that helps

2026
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 3: make up for that a little bit, right, Yeah.

2027
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 5: I mean, if they come out of this draft and

2028
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:54,560
Speaker 5: they haven't made a sizable investment in tackle, then I

2029
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 5: think all of us will be critical of that. But

2030
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 5: they have other picks.

2031
01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 3: But I would also say, don't you think the offense.

2032
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 3: Let's say that we're all wrong and then not able

2033
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 3: to get anybody, and Vederian Low starts at left tackle.

2034
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 3: Don't you still think the offensive line is better today

2035
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 3: than it was last year? Yeah? Not enough.

2036
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 5: It's not good.

2037
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 2: Not enough.

2038
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 3: Better, But Morgan Moses at right tackle to me makes

2039
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 3: you better?

2040
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit better.

2041
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 3: You know, they had no tackles on either side last year.

2042
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 3: They went with that controversial no tackle approach.

2043
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,000
Speaker 5: That's fair. I just think right now they have no

2044
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 5: left side.

2045
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2046
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 3: I don't expect that. I agree with Fred. I expect

2047
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 3: them to do something. We may not love it, but

2048
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 3: they'll do. I think they'll do something to address left tackle.

2049
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 5: Like if they don't take a tackle in the first

2050
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 5: round at four. You know, I just mentioned a couple

2051
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 5: of names that are in range at thirty eight. Maybe

2052
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 5: you have to trade up to secure one of those

2053
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 5: guys back into the first round, which I think is

2054
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 5: something that they tried to do last year and are

2055
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 5: interested in doing. You know, I think they've shown that

2056
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,720
Speaker 5: they would do something like that. You could do that,

2057
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 5: and you could double dip right, like you could take

2058
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 5: a developmental tackle in the third or fourth round on

2059
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 5: top of that and really had your bets, you know,

2060
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 5: at that position. So just because you don't take the

2061
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 5: tackle at for it doesn't mean you're not taking a tackle.

2062
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 3: Right, So there was one thing that he said, again,

2063
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 3: great call, because he touched on a ton of different things.

2064
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: I'm curious to the thoughts of you guys about his

2065
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 3: feeling on Marcus Jones. Yeah.

2066
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 4: Well, we had the defensive coaches last week. It was funny,

2067
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 4: we're getting down to the end with the cornerbacks coach

2068
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,560
Speaker 4: who I'm blanking on his name at the moment. But

2069
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 4: one more question, and I asked him about that, how

2070
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,719
Speaker 4: do you see the slot position in the NFL today?

2071
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:31,639
Speaker 4: And he really talked about it being a matchup position,

2072
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,000
Speaker 4: which is how I see it. So I don't. I

2073
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 4: don't really I understand what Dave's getting at, but I'm

2074
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 4: not sure I do so I think I think he's

2075
01:31:40,439 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 4: looking at a smaller player that he doesn't see.

2076
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 2: I was a little confused at first because when he

2077
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 2: talked about Marcus Jones with the slot, I thought he

2078
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 2: was talking about offense.

2079
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,080
Speaker 3: Well he eventually was, but but I know, but like

2080
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 3: he thinks that his style is not conducive to the

2081
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 3: way they want to play now, And I would just

2082
01:31:54,120 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 3: ask I. I'm going to ask specifically, and this is

2083
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 3: a dead legit question. I'm not trying to be snarky

2084
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 3: Paul here, what about Marcus Jones's style would not be

2085
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 3: conducive to what I think is sort of man, Yeah,

2086
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 3: that's what he does.

2087
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 6: I don't know.

2088
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2089
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 5: We've obviously talked to him, coach. We've talked about, you know,

2090
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 5: having a little bit more size than there, a little

2091
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 5: bit more durability certainly than Marcus Jones sometimes shows because

2092
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 5: of his lack of size. But in terms of the

2093
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 5: skill set, I have no idea why Marcus Jones.

2094
01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 3: I'm not asking you how good you think Marcus Jones

2095
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 3: is because you guys all know that I have my

2096
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:40,719
Speaker 3: concerns about Marcus Jones's coverage ability. I'm probably a little

2097
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:44,600
Speaker 3: bit down on him compared comparatively to most people. But

2098
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 3: his style, like he's like physical spunk, He's a willing tackler,

2099
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 3: you know, like he's a good athlete, mirrors Like I'm

2100
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 3: just wondering about his skill set. Now, if you don't

2101
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 3: think he's good enough, that's a different argument, right, But

2102
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 3: it seemed to me that Dave was suggesting that his

2103
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 3: style wasn't conducive to the way Vrabel's going to want

2104
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 3: to play defense.

2105
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 5: I mean they they said multiple times that they want

2106
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 5: to play cat coverage, and if they're going to play

2107
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 5: that on the outside, and that means the slot is

2108
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 5: going to have to be in man to man too.

2109
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 5: Marcus Jones a really good man to man slock corner.

2110
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 2: Now he's playing dog coverage, he has limitations.

2111
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 3: Well, you know what cat coverage is, right, No, you

2112
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 3: got that cat?

2113
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 12: I got cat?

2114
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's how I remember.

2115
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 3: It's not ball, no worth. That's that's kind of like.

2116
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 5: But I would also just say just Marcus Jones is

2117
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 5: not playing offense full time. He's not doing it like

2118
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 5: as long as he has a job in the NFL

2119
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 5: playing the role that he wants to play. He's at

2120
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 5: the point now and I don't blame him for it

2121
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 5: where he's starting to kind of get annoyed about the

2122
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,839
Speaker 5: question about playing offense because it's like he fancies himself

2123
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,920
Speaker 5: as a defensive back. He does not think he's a receiver.

2124
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 3: Well, the other part that I would say in his

2125
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 3: defense too, is part of that is the size, like

2126
01:34:00,160 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 3: us not just six', one you. Know, yeah that's significantly

2127
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:10,520
Speaker 3: bigger than with five Eight Marcus, jones.

2128
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 5: Like five eight one.

2129
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 4: SEVENTY i just think, too he's a really good punt,

2130
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,840
Speaker 4: returner and for an offense that really struggled last, YEAR

2131
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 4: i hope it's not the, same but you have a

2132
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 4: legit piece that can help you gain some field. Position

2133
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 4: we talked about letting him do kickoffs.

2134
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 3: Too i'd be very, surprised you know WHAT i. MEAN

2135
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 3: i make things happen with the ball in his. Hands

2136
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 3: i'd like to tell YOU i wouldn't be surprised if

2137
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 3: you told me any pretty much anyone was going to get.

2138
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,839
Speaker 3: CUT i think that would represent a real surprise.

2139
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 4: Cut.

2140
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 5: Yeah we've Asked Jeremy springer about him returning, kickoffs and

2141
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 5: they've favored bigger kickoff returners because of how the it's very.

2142
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 5: Physical uh you, know you're really getting getting whacked when

2143
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 5: you get hit and, uh and so they're worried about

2144
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 5: the smaller guys having. Durability so, uh they they've, favored you,

2145
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 5: know the the bigger. Returners, now if it was the game,

2146
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 5: right like if it's fourth, quarter we talked.

2147
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 3: About it the other, day Artist jones maybe getting some.

2148
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 3: Opportunities we talked about that.

2149
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:05,000
Speaker 5: Before, yeah you, know ten seconds to, go tie, game

2150
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 5: fourth quarter and they're kicking it back to you and

2151
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 5: you have one, return like maybe you put him back,

2152
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 5: there you, know like teams would do with their best.

2153
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 5: Player BUT i. DON'T i don't think he's going to

2154
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 5: be like a regular kick.

2155
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 2: Returner Josh wright send and this is an EMAIL a

2156
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 2: good example of careful what you wish. For, Okay i've

2157
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,720
Speaker 2: noticed That christian From la has been awfully quiet since

2158
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 2: the hate mail started pouring. In, christian don't let our

2159
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 2: hate stop you from calling. In we might not like.

2160
01:35:31,200 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 2: YOU i KNOW i, don't but we, don't but We

2161
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 2: New englanders are a bitter bunch that need a target

2162
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 2: to fuel our. Rage you are The Don zimmer to

2163
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Our Pedro, martinez The Sergio brown to Our Rob, gronkowski

2164
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 2: The connecticut to Our. Massachusetts we need you more than you.

2165
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 2: Know our relationship may be, toxic but deep down we love.

2166
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 2: You so there you. Go see, now people miss it

2167
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 2: color on color, love people Missing zue Ish, ish he.

2168
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 3: Said people may hate, YOU i, do.

2169
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 2: But he wants More christians From.

2170
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 5: La patty's a going on In denver what's, Up?

2171
01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 9: Patty did you see?

2172
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 5: It they cleaned house?

2173
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 2: Gentlemen who has general manager?

2174
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 4: Too?

2175
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:11,559
Speaker 14: Wow so does that.

2176
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 10: Mean travis In West virginia really liked me and likes

2177
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 10: WHEN i call?

2178
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 2: In because, well, no he doesn't like, it but he

2179
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 2: likes when you call. It, Yeah, no that's just, us.

2180
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 20: All, RIGHT i got you. Calling, Yeah so more draft

2181
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 20: TALK i want to throw out. THERE i was listening

2182
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 20: to The gards podcast yesterday and he wasn't the first

2183
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 20: person to bring it. Up he had a mock draft

2184
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 20: and he had The patriots Taken Jalen walker at number

2185
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:43,440
Speaker 20: four and then had him trading back into The minnesota

2186
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 20: pick at number twenty, Four AND i, think, like he's

2187
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 20: not the first person to say, That LIKE i, said

2188
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 20: AND i think that's kind of that's kind of a running,

2189
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 20: narrative like if we don't get the tackle that we

2190
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 20: want at, four just trade The minnesota's. Pick, well that's

2191
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 20: that's kind of a danger or a game in my,

2192
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 20: opinion because we, Thought evan you brought it. Up we

2193
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 20: saw last, year LIKE i was GETTING i was here

2194
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 20: at things that they were going to trade up The buffalo.

2195
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 20: Pick and Then carolina came in with a better. Offer

2196
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 20: so who's to say that that can't happen.

2197
01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 10: Again you, KNOW.

2198
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 20: I would be more comfortable if they're not if they're

2199
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 20: not a fan Of Will, Campbell like if they like

2200
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 20: Even banks or OR ar three Or, conray just, like

2201
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 20: trade down to the teams thatccumulate more assets and take

2202
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 20: the guy that you. Want that's ALL i, got, Guys.

2203
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 2: All, right Thanks.

2204
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 5: Patty, Yeah i'm not surprised that there's some buzz About Jalen.

2205
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,400
Speaker 5: WALKER i, Mean mike AND i said it In february

2206
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 5: that this, guy.

2207
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:40,799
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah guys That i've been talking myself into started

2208
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 3: with you. Guys, absolutely he is.

2209
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 5: A professional football, Player like he is a, Captain he

2210
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 5: is a. Leader he is going to win over every

2211
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 5: single coach in a thirty visit and a private workout

2212
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 5: and a combine. Meeting, uh he's a little bit of a,

2213
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 5: tweeter LIKE i think that's like the one concern is

2214
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 5: like is he a rush? Linebacker is he an off ball?

2215
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 5: Linebacker you, know he's kind of caught in. Between but

2216
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:04,600
Speaker 5: if you give him to a creative coaching staff that

2217
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 5: you trust on that side of the, football he's going

2218
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 5: to be a, really really good football player for a.

2219
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:14,719
Speaker 3: While i'm just intrigued by By jogia defensive players because

2220
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 3: all it takes there's somewhere AROUND i don't, know ten

2221
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 3: to a dozen in RECENT i, say call it five,

2222
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 3: years and how many of them haven't really worked? Out

2223
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 3: most of them have been at least pretty good, players

2224
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 3: if not.

2225
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 5: Great, yeah the comp that he gets a lot Is Nolan.

2226
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 5: Smith like as a pure edge guy, PLAYER i don't

2227
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 5: know if he's quite as like big and like strong

2228
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 5: As Nolan smith is on the.

2229
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 3: Edge Was Nolan smith coming out?

2230
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 5: Though, yeah probably around two.

2231
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 3: Forty you know what Happens mike at THE nfl, level

2232
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:51,759
Speaker 3: skinless chicken they in the, PROGRAM i think learn. NUTRITION

2233
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 3: i think.

2234
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,560
Speaker 5: He's high tower, right, like he's off the ball on

2235
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 5: early downs and then on third down you put him

2236
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 5: on the edge and or over the you, know the

2237
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 5: guard or whatever and uses his quickness and speed to

2238
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 5: rush the.

2239
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 4: Basket put him next to splaying every.

2240
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 5: Day his instincts are. Incredible those two.

2241
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 4: Guys boom around edge. Coverage you could do everything with.

2242
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 4: HIM i mean IT'S i get what everybody's saying, though

2243
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 4: with like you spend so much time on, defense you

2244
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 4: signed two, Guys but that's still a. Player pencil him

2245
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:18,160
Speaker 4: right in starter.

2246
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 5: One he's, different he's a. Playmaker, like he's a little bit.

2247
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 5: DIFFERENT i would, say you, know than like a splain

2248
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 5: like explains a nice of player. LIKE i Think Jalen

2249
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 5: walker has a chance to be a true like difference.

2250
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 4: Maker let's splain do the dirty. Work, yeah The walker

2251
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 4: float around me Place mark's And.

2252
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Philly what's?

2253
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 9: Up?

2254
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 10: Mark, hey, guys how's it?

2255
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 2: Going you ever been to The Victor? Cafe?

2256
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 12: Nah ah?

2257
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 2: Yet well you gotta.

2258
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 23: Go, well my question is kind of about a hypothetical

2259
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 23: in the, draft SO i want to see what you

2260
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 23: guys think about. That, Say Travis hunter Goes Abdul carter

2261
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 23: Goes patriots to sit and there. FOUR i think they

2262
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 23: trade with The. Saints they drop back to nine and

2263
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 23: they pick up crit Ol Lava.

2264
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 20: And with the ninth, PICK i think.

2265
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 23: You Go Tyler, warren mainly Because Hunter henry is in

2266
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:22,719
Speaker 23: his last year of his. Contract with that being, said

2267
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 23: you solidify another young wide receiver that dates can teach,

2268
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 23: us and you solidify your tight end position for the

2269
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 23: next ten years With Ala. WARREN i think in the

2270
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 23: second round that's when you take your tackles and like

2271
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 23: you guys said a little bit ago about double dipping

2272
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 23: later in the, round that's WHAT i would say would

2273
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 23: be the best case scenario for the.

2274
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 15: Past that's ALL i.

2275
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,639
Speaker 2: Got, oh, okay hang.

2276
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 5: Up, Yeah henry has two years.

2277
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 4: Left, yeah that's gonna say two years.

2278
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 5: Last but it's NOT i understand where he's.

2279
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 3: Going, YEAH i Mean chris Alave i've. Heard i've heard

2280
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 3: that a, lot you, know get a lobby AND i

2281
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 3: think he's a terrific. PLAYER i think that that comes

2282
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 3: with tremendous. Risk to me is that's multiple concussions in

2283
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 3: a short period of time for a young receiver, who

2284
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,560
Speaker 3: by the, way is coming to the precipice of you

2285
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 3: need to pay him if you want. Them, so, yeah

2286
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 3: that's all well and. Good Maybe Stefan, diggs you, KNOW

2287
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,600
Speaker 3: i don't know why that's his job and responsibility to

2288
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 3: teach him, Up but how are you going to keep?

2289
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 3: Him and if You're New orleans LIKE i don't know

2290
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 3: If i'm The, PATRIOTS i just that's All i'm getting

2291
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,280
Speaker 3: to go from four to nine Is chris Alve Is

2292
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 3: that is that?

2293
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 4: Enough?

2294
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 2: NO i Think chris the love in a third at.

2295
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 3: Minimum So i'm intrigued by a lobby BECAUSE i think

2296
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 3: he's really. TALENTED i really really like the. Player i'm

2297
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:52,760
Speaker 3: a little worried about the.

2298
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 5: Concussions oh it's a fair. CONCERN i, MEAN i don't

2299
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 5: think you can count on him being consistently.

2300
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 4: AVAILABLE i wouldn't be surprised if they do not take

2301
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 4: an impact wide receiver in this. Draft that's the position

2302
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 4: that everyone talks about as a need right. Now but

2303
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 4: that's one that they don't fill. That it's just it

2304
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 4: doesn't it's not the Right they got digs for the

2305
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 4: for the short. Term they got, digs they Added hollins

2306
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 4: and draft and they think that they can get with.

2307
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 2: That you, know like if you say they you'd be

2308
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 2: surprised they don't pick an Impact that means second.

2309
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 4: Round, Right, YEAH i MEAN I i, Yeah Like i'm

2310
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 4: not Talking day three. Selection BUT i think you got

2311
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 4: to hit the running back. Class they need an, edge

2312
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,599
Speaker 4: they need a young. Edge it's a great edge. Class

2313
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 4: if they don't get a good impact edge in this,

2314
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 4: Class i'll be. Disappointed but it's. Hard like one of

2315
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 4: the callers said to look at this wide receiver class

2316
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 4: and be, like that's the guy that's the. One, like

2317
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 4: you can pencil guys in that are complementary to what they.

2318
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,679
Speaker 4: Have AND i know everyone dislikes the receivers from last,

2319
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 4: year but at some point you have to let your

2320
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,760
Speaker 4: ten wide receivers on the roster. Develop you can't just

2321
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 4: keep adding guys and adding guys and adding. Guys you

2322
01:42:57,080 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 4: got to bite the bullet at some. Point this year

2323
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 4: might be a. Hit see how they.

2324
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 3: DO i don't know about the last part of, that

2325
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 3: like if they can't, play LIKE i don't have to,

2326
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 3: KNOW i, know BUT i just don't know if they're

2327
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 3: convincing you guys Like, digs WHO i think are better

2328
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,240
Speaker 3: than those. Guys, yeah that's WHAT i want to.

2329
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 5: DO i would just LIKE i agree with you for

2330
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 5: the most. PART i just, think you, know maybe in

2331
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 5: the third or fourth round you can throw another.

2332
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:17,519
Speaker 9: Dart.

2333
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 3: YEAH i agree With mike that it might not Be,

2334
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 3: yeah BECAUSE i have That, higgins that's.

2335
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 4: Probably the better way. Out and it's going to be

2336
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 4: a dart and it's not going to be a slam.

2337
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 4: Dunk we got a guy across From. Digs it's going

2338
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 4: to be a guy who's going to enter the mix

2339
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 4: With polk And baker And bourne and all these guys And.

2340
01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:36,720
Speaker 4: Booty there's a ton of them and they're gonna see

2341
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 4: What josh can do with these. Guys and who are

2342
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,799
Speaker 4: they REALLY i don't think they've given up on everybody.

2343
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 4: YET i mean, AGAIN i said at the top of the,

2344
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 4: SHOW i love seeing all those wide receivers popped up

2345
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 4: in these. Videos they're all here right. Now that's a good,

2346
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 4: sign but they have to prove. It AND i JUST

2347
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:51,040
Speaker 4: i just wonder if there is out on their wide

2348
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:52,679
Speaker 4: receivers as the show looks.

2349
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 3: Like me and out is, like let let's say that

2350
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 3: we're in, okay so let's go With, Booty, Douglas, Polk.

2351
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 3: Bake what do you think the highest level give me

2352
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 3: a comp for any of those? Four what do you mean, like,

2353
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 3: LIKE i think if we're in on them and they

2354
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 3: all stick, around they all. Stay LIKE i just think

2355
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:17,719
Speaker 3: that the ceiling is not very, High like the ceiling

2356
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 3: is like the complimentary guys that they've had in the,

2357
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 3: past like The, Lafel's, yeah that's not good.

2358
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 4: Enough, WELL i guess my response to that is JUST

2359
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 4: i don't see the way in the draft to really

2360
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 4: improve on. That LIKE i don't see.

2361
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 3: That it's just a different argument BECAUSE i agree with.

2362
01:44:32,920 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 3: YOU i think that you, GUYS i, mean AND i

2363
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:37,640
Speaker 3: always defer to YouTube because you're doing far more in

2364
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:40,760
Speaker 3: terms of situating the board and where guys might. GO

2365
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 3: i think you guys are. Right you're probably not going

2366
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,640
Speaker 3: to get that's you probably don't have the luxury of

2367
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 3: being able to take one of these wide receivers because

2368
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 3: you have some other things that you. NEED i think

2369
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 3: they got. DIGS i think you can't just like magically

2370
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 3: fill seventeen holes at, once like some things are you,

2371
01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:00,560
Speaker 3: know are going to get left. Unfilled and if you

2372
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 3: don't Get Will campbell at four because you don't think

2373
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:04,880
Speaker 3: he's a, tackle you're gonna have to take a tackle

2374
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 3: with the next. PICK i, think, yeah they didn't have

2375
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:08,960
Speaker 3: to do, something.

2376
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:14,600
Speaker 5: AND i think like McDaniels can probably do more with lesser. Receivers,

2377
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 5: yeah like if you give him a decent line And

2378
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 5: drake may, obviously LIKE i think that you can probably

2379
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 5: still you, Know Nack jones' rookie, Year Nelson aglore And

2380
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 5: Kendrick bourne And Hunter. Henry it wasn't like they had you,

2381
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 5: know Prime Randy moss on that team and they had

2382
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,200
Speaker 5: a decent. Offense SO i agree With mike that it's

2383
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 5: either receiver early or receiver. Late like there doesn't really

2384
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 5: feel like there's like that day two got to have

2385
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 5: him receiver in this.

2386
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,320
Speaker 3: Class it'd be interesting to see how it. Unfolds but

2387
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 3: you know IT'S I i agree with, you. GUYS i

2388
01:45:47,479 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 3: don't know if you can get.

2389
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 4: Everything, YEAH i mean the WAY i think about it,

2390
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,760
Speaker 4: is you deal with it this. Year you Hope drake

2391
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 4: has a great. Year you Hope diggs gets healthy and

2392
01:45:57,560 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 4: gets himself in position to really be back the year

2393
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 4: after for whoever that.

2394
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:01,679
Speaker 9: Means at thirty.

2395
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 4: Two but then really next year be in the position

2396
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 4: where we feel like we have the left, tackle we

2397
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 4: drafted a stud defensive. End defense feels pretty. Set now's

2398
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 4: the time to pour a bunch of resources and go

2399
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 4: get the. Dog, good get that.

2400
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 2: Number let's.

2401
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 9: Go.

2402
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 3: Mike you always say LIKE i always find red flags

2403
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,759
Speaker 3: when it doesn't, Right So i'm going to go the opposite.

2404
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,760
Speaker 3: Way let's say that this really really, works really really.

2405
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 3: Well that to me would Represent diggs is pretty healthy

2406
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 3: and he's available to go at pretty close to one

2407
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,440
Speaker 3: hundred percent pretty early in the, season and he establishes

2408
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 3: himself as your. Best now that might Make booty And

2409
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:39,760
Speaker 3: polk And douglas better, players and that might make them

2410
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 3: being A LaFell or A hogan or someone like that more.

2411
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 3: Valuable Mac, collins you, know is another one of those,

2412
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 3: guys and suddenly to you to the point That evan

2413
01:46:49,080 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 3: made McDaniels has an ability to maybe scheme these this

2414
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 3: is best case scenario, now, Right diggs is, healthy he's

2415
01:46:56,520 --> 01:46:59,439
Speaker 3: your lead. Dog everybody else gets better because of. Him

2416
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 3: and if you can Protect drake mate just a little bit, better,

2417
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,280
Speaker 3: right And may's, better maybe maybe you have that natural

2418
01:47:07,360 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 3: progression in your offense become.

2419
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 2: Serviceable.

2420
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah there's a couple of, receivers like in the

2421
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 5: third or fourth Round range two THAT i think are

2422
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 5: worth throwing darts. At you, know both of us Love Isaiah.

2423
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,560
Speaker 5: Bond now he does some maturity, issues kind of Like

2424
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 5: Javon baker that some teams are a little bit worried

2425
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 5: about with, That but like the talent is. UNDENIABLE i,

2426
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 5: mean you, know this guy was on track to be

2427
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 5: like the next gill And waddle At alabama before you,

2428
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 5: know he ran into some. Issues so he's got an unbelievable.

2429
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 5: Talent you, know there's guys like that THAT i think

2430
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 5: just can come in and if it's a, hit then

2431
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 5: it's going to be a home run and maybe that's

2432
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 5: worth it for. Them and if if it's, not then,

2433
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 5: it's you, know another one of the many. Misses but,

2434
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:49,759
Speaker 5: yeah you, know it's kind of a boomer.

2435
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,759
Speaker 2: Bust Fort worth writes IN i was enjoying last week's,

2436
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 2: newsletter and you can sign up for the newsletter at

2437
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 2: pages dot com slash Pu. Newsletter you should do, that

2438
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 2: specifically the section about who from history you would all

2439
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,680
Speaker 2: like to? Meet after Reading duce's Pick Benjamin, CHURCH i

2440
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 2: did a Cursory wikipedia search on him and found out

2441
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 2: he was A british buy during The Revolutionary. War so

2442
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 2: my question, Is, deuce of all the people dead are

2443
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 2: alive that you could have, said why would you want

2444
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 2: to meet a trader from the.

2445
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 3: Revolution now you're.

2446
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 4: Wrong that's his. Grandson that's WHY i put his born

2447
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 4: and born on in debt by, Date so he was

2448
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:26,519
Speaker 4: generation before. That so you got to go back To

2449
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 4: wikipedia and look up the Right Benjamin.

2450
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 2: Church, yeah so why why didn't you pretend to let

2451
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:32,599
Speaker 2: The church?

2452
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 4: Is really he was second generation after The, pilgrims and

2453
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 4: was largely credited with originating like the rangers of The

2454
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 4: army being learning how to Use Native american tactics and

2455
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:50,720
Speaker 4: really a huge influence on The Revolutionary war and how

2456
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 4: we fought against The, british The british because originally when

2457
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 4: we got, here we thought we fought the same. Way

2458
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 4: Lineup Marshall. Refield obviously The americans were hit and run

2459
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 4: and all the tactics then that The americans. Adopted so

2460
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,800
Speaker 4: in my research at King, fields So Benjamin church was

2461
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:06,760
Speaker 4: at all the major major battles of King Philis. War

2462
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 4: and then AFTER i discovered, HIM i discovered that he's

2463
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 4: actually my first cousin eleven times removed as, well look.

2464
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 2: At this another thing we find out about DOING i

2465
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 2: knew there was, something did you know there was something underneath?

2466
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 3: First so he's basically The.

2467
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 4: Patriot, well getting in The patriot that was based On Benjamin,

2468
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:25,680
Speaker 4: church even though they happened about one hundred, years one

2469
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 4: hundred years. Apart but, Yeah Benjamin church original Like americans

2470
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:33,599
Speaker 4: are let down to your, family you, know, WELL i definitely.

2471
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 4: Away i'm getting to be an old man in a

2472
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:38,679
Speaker 4: history nerd NOW i don't know if that's hitting you guys.

2473
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 4: Too but AS i become, OLDER i read more books about, history.

2474
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 3: AND i do crossroads and Watch jeopardy my old.

2475
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:49,720
Speaker 2: AGE i, mean twinkle toast is so. Right you got

2476
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 2: bench church else in your family tree that we should know.

2477
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 4: About, well it connects to one of the one of

2478
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 4: the Original pilgrims was was an ancestor of, mine and

2479
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 4: he's a lot an ancestor for a lot of people

2480
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 4: because he had the foresight not to bring his wife

2481
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 4: and his three daughters. Over his name Was Richard, warren

2482
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:10,200
Speaker 4: so he came over alone on The, mayflower got settled

2483
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:12,600
Speaker 4: up for a, year then brought his daughters and his

2484
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:15,240
Speaker 4: wife over and they all the daughters, lived got, married

2485
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:16,600
Speaker 4: each had a bunch of. Kids so a lot of

2486
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 4: people were related to The pilgrims that related To Richard.

2487
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:22,120
Speaker 2: Warren, wow, dude you go way.

2488
01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 5: BACK i, mean he has the twenty eight to three.

2489
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 4: Tea, actually CAN i tell CAN i tell one more quick?

2490
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:29,840
Speaker 4: Story actually this IS i. Guess So i've told a

2491
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:31,720
Speaker 4: story about the twenty eight three t BEFORE i told

2492
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 4: you guys that my grandfather had actually passed away On

2493
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 4: march twenty eighth in two thousand and. One it was

2494
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 4: also my grandparents In East. Dennis there mailbox was three twenty.

2495
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 4: Eight then the three twenty EIGHT t shirt. Happened when

2496
01:50:44,200 --> 01:50:46,639
Speaker 4: we first moved, here we rented a house And sharon

2497
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,599
Speaker 4: next to a wonderful. Family Joe kurtzer was the man's

2498
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 4: name next door and his Wife. Phyllis wonderful family took us.

2499
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:55,759
Speaker 4: In we're great to. US i just found Out joe passed.

2500
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:57,880
Speaker 4: AWAY i went to his. Service he passed away On

2501
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 4: march twenty eighth as, well SO i have both my

2502
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 4: Grandfather Joe kurtz are a very special person to, me passed,

2503
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 4: away AND i JUST i couldn't believe. IT i walked

2504
01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 4: into the wake AND i saw that he had passed

2505
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 4: away on three twenty eight, Two AND i said To,

2506
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 4: joe who was aware of THE t shirt and has the,

2507
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 4: teacher and, LIKE i didn't think the state could get more,

2508
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 4: special but now it.

2509
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 2: Is so every day every year When i'm gonna get around, friend,

2510
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 2: like what's gonna?

2511
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 4: HAPPEN i, Know that's WHAT i said to my. Wife i'm,

2512
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,040
Speaker 4: Like i'm, Like i'm gonna start getting scared every three

2513
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 4: twenty eight BECAUSE i feel like it's something like.

2514
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:26,080
Speaker 2: Good things gonna happen.

2515
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 4: Too, yeah well it's been one good.

2516
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:30,640
Speaker 3: Thing AND i had a really hard time answering that.

2517
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 3: Question yeah did you?

2518
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:35,439
Speaker 2: Guys, yeah because you do like so MANY i don't

2519
01:51:35,439 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 2: have so many. Selections oh you don't want to meet? Anybody,

2520
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 2: no it's, not but believe it was no.

2521
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 3: Curiosity but the answer to that, were, like like any

2522
01:51:45,320 --> 01:51:48,040
Speaker 3: any of those Like George, washington LIKE i, WOULD i, Would, yeah,

2523
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 3: SURE i, mean BUT i don't really feel like that

2524
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 3: about anybody like you, know like That Matt, smith like

2525
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 3: That jed.

2526
01:51:58,280 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 4: It's my, guy Like.

2527
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:02,080
Speaker 2: Jewel well that's WHY i, said like IF i from

2528
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 2: what the story, is, like you, know it had to

2529
01:52:04,280 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 2: Be jesus like. That but that was.

2530
01:52:05,960 --> 01:52:07,760
Speaker 3: Kind BUT i took it like that like someone that,

2531
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 3: like oh my, GOD i can't Believe i'm going to

2532
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:14,320
Speaker 3: get a chance to MEET, x, Right like the curiosity

2533
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 3: of meeting like on a nation's Like. Forefather, absolutely and

2534
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 3: you know guys that are at the cutting edge of

2535
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 3: technology or.

2536
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:25,080
Speaker 2: Whatever you, know Cir cleopatra was, hot you wouldn't want

2537
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 2: to meet.

2538
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 3: HER i had a really hard, TIME i, said you,

2539
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 3: know aside from you, know my wedding day and my

2540
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 3: two kids being. BORN i don't know If i've ever

2541
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 3: been as excited As Matt smith was when he Met Guy.

2542
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 3: Fieri SO i don't know IF i can possibly put.

2543
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 2: Myself you wouldn't want to know what the ruckus was

2544
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 2: About helen Of. Troy you, know she's like historically.

2545
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 4: Beautiful, Though, FRED i think you'd be a little bit.

2546
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 4: Underwhelming you think this is than WHAT i was. Expecting

2547
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 4: this isn't like a Modern.

2548
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 3: Abraham, lincoln, right, ABSOLUTELY i mean be musty, though.

2549
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 5: Would be a fascination with that nonsports non sport for

2550
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,360
Speaker 5: me before, THIS i was a sports people THAT i

2551
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:01,840
Speaker 5: love to.

2552
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 2: Meet But Bill, belichick but Like einstein for, example or

2553
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 2: knew that's WHAT i meant by technical Speak? English, yeah you, know?

2554
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 4: Yeah but do you feel like you wouldn't have the

2555
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,679
Speaker 4: depth to ask the right? Questions SO i wouldn't EQUALS

2556
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 4: mc square? Huh had you come up with that?

2557
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 3: One a light?

2558
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 15: Bulb?

2559
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:23,120
Speaker 2: Huh, Ooh Sweet? Edison, cool that's heavy, stuff but you,

2560
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:27,599
Speaker 2: know think about. It But Isaac, newton all those things

2561
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 2: that he, discovered you, know he did that all before

2562
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:31,400
Speaker 2: he was twenty four years.

2563
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 5: Old shell back then that was old.

2564
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 2: STILL i mean think about it THOUGH i had lived

2565
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:40,800
Speaker 2: in some life, though that's pretty. Amazing, yeah it's pretty

2566
01:53:41,200 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 2: it's all.

2567
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 4: Amazing no internet.

2568
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 3: Either, YEAH i really dropped the ball AND i had.

2569
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 3: NOTHING i get you saying that it's, hard just like you,

2570
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 3: KNOW i had nothing that came to.

2571
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 9: Me.

2572
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 3: Sporter we thought about that for like ten, minutes which

2573
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 3: for those, questions that's An.

2574
01:53:54,240 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 4: Yeah that's WHY i wanted the. Guy that was just

2575
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:56,519
Speaker 4: on my.

2576
01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 3: Mind, WELL i mean related to you, KNOW i know

2577
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 3: he's people first Cousin George.

2578
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:06,600
Speaker 2: Washington do you have like artifacts or like you, know

2579
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 2: documents or stuff in your family from back?

2580
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,519
Speaker 4: Then, no not that far. Back, no BUT i got

2581
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 4: a lot of my grandfather's. STUFF i got like his

2582
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:17,439
Speaker 4: like his stop wash and some of that's what.

2583
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 9: The.

2584
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:22,439
Speaker 3: Dinger, YEAH i met a guy LIKE i had to

2585
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 3: do a podcast for some guy who ran track At,

2586
01:54:25,880 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 3: Tough SO i, go, oh did you watch you run

2587
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:29,240
Speaker 3: on THE dusu? Track he was absolutely didn't do so

2588
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 3: knew exactly WHAT i was talking.

2589
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 2: About so do you have like property in your?

2590
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 4: FAMILY i MEAN i should have property In quebec, CITY

2591
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:40,120
Speaker 4: i think based on some of The Settlers. QUEBEC i

2592
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 4: should BE i should have up by the Du. So

2593
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 4: that's where the named Do so.

2594
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:44,600
Speaker 5: Kame that's why he plays hockey of The.

2595
01:54:44,680 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 4: Rapids that was.

2596
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 3: Me, yeah he was a disappointment though he can only

2597
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:48,200
Speaker 3: QUARTERBACK pp.

2598
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:51,600
Speaker 2: Too let's let's get some of these phone calls up

2599
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 2: before we run out of. Time we've Got trevor In Kansas.

2600
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 2: City what's Up?

2601
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:59,120
Speaker 15: Trevor, hey, Guys sorry to take it back to football.

2602
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 15: HERE i just had a question About Luther burton. Specifically

2603
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 15: SO i think he's being underrated. PERSONALLY i think he's

2604
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 15: the best receiver in the. Draft if you want to Say,

2605
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 15: HUNTER i get, it BUT i Say. Burton so my questions, are,

2606
01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:18,320
Speaker 15: one do you think that we are interested In burton

2607
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 15: with the supposed off field? ISSUES i don't fully agree

2608
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 15: with some of. That and, two how do you think

2609
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 15: he would fit into our? Offense? Personally my comp for

2610
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 15: him is a Young Steve smith.

2611
01:55:28,480 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 7: Senior, yeah probably great player AND i don't hate the comp, no,

2612
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 7: YEAH i try.

2613
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 3: PHYSICAL i don't hate the. Camp, yeah he's he's a great.

2614
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 5: Player you. KNOW i think most of the off field

2615
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 5: stuff you hear about his maturity not necessarily that he's

2616
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 5: done anything, wrong just, that you, know and. Stuff how

2617
01:55:50,880 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 5: locked in is he going to Be monday Through? Saturday you,

2618
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 5: know like is he is he going to be on the?

2619
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 5: Program you know that sort of. Thing Brady cook has

2620
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 5: a lot to do with. That that is a big

2621
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 5: part of.

2622
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 3: IT i do as.

2623
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:07,600
Speaker 5: WELL i THINK i don't think he's the best receiver

2624
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:09,080
Speaker 5: in the, class BUT i think he's a first round.

2625
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 2: Talent BUT i mean be in top three.

2626
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 3: Anyway, YEAH i, uh you, KNOW i.

2627
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:17,200
Speaker 5: Can See steve miss. Senior you, KNOW i think a

2628
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,040
Speaker 5: lot of. Him SO i try not to comp players

2629
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 5: to guys that are, that you, know Potential hall of,

2630
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:23,120
Speaker 5: famers but you, KNOW i see a lot of Z

2631
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:28,640
Speaker 5: flowers in burden as. Well just start stopability three, levels you,

2632
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 5: know a slot you know he's going to play, inside

2633
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 5: but explosive player before and after the.

2634
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:35,840
Speaker 3: Catch, yeah SO i think we all like.

2635
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 2: Him quick quick game For steve From. Marblehead translate these

2636
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 2: top tier draft candidates From fred To. English, Example Tarvis,

2637
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 2: FISHER i Mean Travis fisher is For, Fred Travis Hunt

2638
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 2: hunter So Fisher Hunter, Ready Calvin, Baker Calvin Kelvin, Banks

2639
01:56:56,000 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 2: Kelvin Kelvin banks good but kacky North, wall M Little

2640
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 2: lad McConkey mcacky North. Wall think about you have to

2641
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 2: be a fan of a FAMOUS tv, show North wall Of,

2642
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:24,360
Speaker 2: Thrones Malauchey, Starts. Malachia La.

2643
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 3: Fred gave a different version About, Malachi, Joe Henry, Campers.

2644
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 4: Joe Henry camper's uh, Tense.

2645
01:57:36,480 --> 01:57:39,760
Speaker 2: Joha campbell and Finally Emmanuel.

2646
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 4: Nickery that's got to be, yes who is nick nick worry?

2647
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 3: Game don't make fun of.

2648
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:53,760
Speaker 5: Me it's a tough.

2649
01:57:53,800 --> 01:57:56,720
Speaker 2: One let's get To. Joe what's? Up he got dropped?

2650
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:58,840
Speaker 2: Earlier what's, Up? Joe Jo?

2651
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,560
Speaker 9: Joe they got for taking my?

2652
01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:06,000
Speaker 14: Call SO i got a, QUESTION i guess probably For evan,

2653
01:58:06,200 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 14: specifically just about a player in the. Draft BUT i

2654
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,440
Speaker 14: think as things go on, here it seems to me That.

2655
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:15,880
Speaker 10: Will campbell's to pick a number.

2656
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:20,480
Speaker 14: FOUR i Don't travishner is not going to be there

2657
01:58:21,120 --> 01:58:23,800
Speaker 14: At Luke kier is not going to be, there And

2658
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 14: i'm fine with. THAT i think he's going to be

2659
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 14: At he's just going to be a football, player a good.

2660
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,200
Speaker 14: Leader he's going to help that offensive line one way

2661
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 14: or the. Other either, way AND i think.

2662
01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 10: It's a safe.

2663
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:41,040
Speaker 14: Pick he led that offensive line AT lsu for for

2664
01:58:41,160 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 14: all those, years So i'm fine with.

2665
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 10: That and Then i'd like him.

2666
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,240
Speaker 14: To be aggressive in the draft AND i hopefully kind

2667
01:58:47,240 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 14: of trade maybe trade back up into the first round

2668
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 14: and target a. RECEIVER i Love Jaydon. Higgins we want

2669
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 14: that ex wide, receiver, RIGHT i, mean for years we've

2670
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:01,320
Speaker 14: had and right now the receiver just full of kind

2671
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 14: of small guys and.

2672
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:02,720
Speaker 10: Stuff so.

2673
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 14: Looking for that bigger guy Like Jaydan. Higgins but my,

2674
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:12,040
Speaker 14: QUESTION i guess, specifically IS i haven't heard a lot

2675
01:59:12,120 --> 01:59:17,880
Speaker 14: of talk About ELICK A manner From. Stanford he seems

2676
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:21,360
Speaker 14: kind Of Jaydean higgins. Type AND i Guess i'll just

2677
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:24,400
Speaker 14: hang up and listen to what you have to say about.

2678
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:28,840
Speaker 5: Him, Okay, yeah interesting. Player you, know a couple of years,

2679
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:32,040
Speaker 5: ago put up like almost three hundred yards Against Travis

2680
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:36,120
Speaker 5: hunter In, Colorado so probably the best tape anybody's.

2681
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:36,160
Speaker 2: Had a huge.

2682
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 3: UPSET i remember, That, YEAH i remember.

2683
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 5: That, yeah probably the best game that any receiver has

2684
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 5: had Against Travis hunter the corner two years. Ago, Yeah Ao.

2685
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 5: Manor he reminds me a little bit of, juju like good,

2686
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:52,520
Speaker 5: juju Not patriots. Juju SO i don't know if i'd

2687
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 5: necessarily say he's like an outside, guy uh per, se

2688
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 5: like he definitely has some vertical. Juice but you know

2689
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 5: he's a thicker, guy you, know like really good on

2690
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:04,920
Speaker 5: slants and like in cuts and you, know tough to

2691
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,600
Speaker 5: bring down after the, catch you, know like that sort of.

2692
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:12,040
Speaker 5: THING i like, him BUT i wouldn't say, that you,

2693
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,960
Speaker 5: KNOW i love him for, McDaniels, like he's not really

2694
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 5: like a route, runner you, know he's kind of a

2695
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:20,480
Speaker 5: more of a of a. Specimen he's pretty new to football.

2696
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:23,800
Speaker 5: Too is From. Canada you, KNOW i think he played

2697
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:25,760
Speaker 5: soccer or. HOCKEY i forget which one it, was but

2698
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:29,080
Speaker 5: one of those two is an option for him, instead

2699
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:30,720
Speaker 5: and so he was kind of focused on.

2700
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:30,920
Speaker 2: Two.

2701
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:34,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, no he's an interesting, player one of those guys

2702
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:36,960
Speaker 5: we're talking, about like you, know third, Round like if

2703
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:39,400
Speaker 5: you wanted to take a dart throw at one of those,

2704
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:40,560
Speaker 5: Receivers i'd put him in that.

2705
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:42,160
Speaker 2: Category all, Right, well that's going to be it for

2706
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:45,720
Speaker 2: this edition Of Patriots. Unfiltered we'll be back On, thursday same,

2707
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:49,680
Speaker 2: Time cash twenty two tomorrow at. Noon, yes, sir, okay

2708
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 2: you And barth can battle it out what's the what's

2709
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 2: the biggest disagreement the two of you have right?

2710
02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 5: Now going biggest, DISAGREEMENT i don't.

2711
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 2: Know we agree on this pretty, much, Lockstep.

2712
02:01:01,480 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 5: Yeah we, agree BUT i think you know we're talking

2713
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:07,760
Speaker 5: about the. RECEIVERS i love, speed Like i'm a sucker for.

2714
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:11,120
Speaker 5: Speed he tells me all the. Time you, Know Isaiah

2715
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:14,120
Speaker 5: bond fast and what like what else is he good

2716
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:17,720
Speaker 5: at besides being? Fast SO i think that's probably our

2717
02:01:18,120 --> 02:01:20,720
Speaker 5: biggest disagreement right, now is you, know guys Like Isaiah,

2718
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:22,840
Speaker 5: bond you know those types of you, know four to three.

2719
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 5: Guys i'll sign up all day for those. Guys he's

2720
02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:27,360
Speaker 5: he kind of likes different.

2721
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Trips that'll be tomorrow at. Noon we'll see you On.

2722
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:34,600
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2734
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:31,000
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Speaker 5: It i'm surprised an old man over. HERE i thought

2739
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