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Speaker 1: This is what you were drinking last night. Is now

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Club Sha Shay. I am

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Speaker 1: your whole Shannon Sharp. I'm also the proprivat of Club

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Speaker 1: Sha Shay. And the guy that's stopping by for conversation

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Speaker 1: and a drink today is one of Atlanta's hip hop pioneers.

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Speaker 1: He's a three time Grammy Award winning artist, record executive, producer, songwriter, actor, entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: I am father, trap music pioneer, hip hop icon music mogul, damn.

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Speaker 1: He even changed careers, went to stand up comedian King

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Speaker 1: of the South, Mister rubber band Man, Is it Tip

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Speaker 1: tr hair A Ti Tip Harris? Whoever it is? Ti?

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Speaker 1: How you doing? Brother? That was going on at A

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Speaker 1: on five and the Baby Bank heads on absolutely yeah,

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Speaker 1: how you being bro? Man, I'm chilling, man, I'm cooling, man.

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Speaker 1: Anytime we get somebody from get you saw? Okay, actually

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Speaker 1: this is my connact all right, it's a vsop. All right,

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Speaker 1: this is what you were drinking last night? Is now

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Speaker 1: No at all? That was just right last night. Mm

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Speaker 1: hey man, you're showing them the boots when jam made

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Speaker 1: for walking up right now? No? Man, so welcome to

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Speaker 1: the club. How you being man, I've been chilling. I

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Speaker 1: can't complain, man. I'm glad I family made it here. Man,

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Speaker 1: I've been looking at it on TV. Yeah, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you made I've been trying to get you for a minute.

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad you were in the in the area. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can stop being it real player in here. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: nice little lines, a little nice little feel. They got

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Speaker 1: the vivid ropes right here, keep keeping them, keeping the riff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, we got a real vi ip. You

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Speaker 1: did what I'm saying. When you hear three time Grammy

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Speaker 1: I was considered and acknowledged for the hard work that

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Speaker 1: peers and constituents amongst the elite, right. And I appreciate that,

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Speaker 1: you know, but that was that year. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, It's time to do something. Evolution is imminent.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever you know a lot of we've heard

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Speaker 1: And just you know, take your lumps and bumps and bone.

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Speaker 1: That was an incredible moment. It's definitely the week we

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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to say that I never

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Speaker 1: But it's always a blessing to see your child find

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Speaker 1: But have you prepared him for that? Have you told him? Like, look, you,

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Speaker 1: And I just did a lot of uh uh self promotion,

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Speaker 1: So for us to go into a second a second cycle,

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Speaker 1: we'd like to renegotiate, and we want to we want

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Speaker 1: we want two millions. So we could do it ourselves, right,

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Speaker 1: Pitts say all right, man, I thank y'all. Gonna be happier.

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Speaker 1: they say, all right, I'm gonna give you what you want.

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Speaker 1: I'm letting you go. Call on dog. Not like I said, Bro,

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Speaker 1: you didn't even have to call me back in here.

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Speaker 1: You could have called us on the phone right anything now.

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Speaker 1: I could just be like why why why did you say?

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Speaker 1: Why are you giving that third option? You know, renegotiate

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Speaker 1: the deal, give us two millions, or you can just

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Speaker 1: release it. Why you had to put the third option?

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Speaker 1: Why not just go with the first two? I mean,

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Speaker 1: because I felt like the stakes had to be raised,

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Speaker 1: just just the magnitude of the moment, but to beyond

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Speaker 1: it with you, Man, that was the greatest thing anybody

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so he spent a lot of time at

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Speaker 1: AU and him and and and Uh and DJ Cannon

426
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Speaker 1: and since in them they were putting the crew together

427
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Speaker 1: and they started like just DJ and and doing mixtapes.

428
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Speaker 1: He caught me in the freestyle on the mixtape. Okay,

429
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Speaker 1: and have that ever happened before? Yeah? Here and there? Okay, yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: mostly in New York though what wasten in New York

431
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Speaker 1: was one of the first time. Man, it happened in

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Speaker 1: the left okay, you know. Uh, so I came in

433
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Speaker 1: a freestyle and then I I said King of the

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Speaker 1: South and the freestyle and he kind of raised his

435
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Speaker 1: head like whoa, what what is that? What'd you say?

436
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: I said, you heard what I said? You heard what

437
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Speaker 1: I said? And you know, we just had a conversation

438
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Speaker 1: about that and he gave me like, okay, you know

439
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Speaker 1: one of them, and I think that became the first

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Speaker 1: gangster grills. Right, I'm not gonna step I'm looking so

441
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Speaker 1: the DJ in twenty twenty two, like I said, DJ

442
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Speaker 1: Drama worked with Tyler creator Jack Harlow, A little easy bird, Jeez,

443
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Speaker 1: j Cole, when you and I'm looking at your your

444
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Speaker 1: collab bro Hold three Stacks, kend you, Lamarm Rock, Courage,

445
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Speaker 1: Jamie Foxx, Justin, timber Lake, Drake Usher, Lady gard Goat,

446
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Speaker 1: Bridget Sperits two Chain, Future, newly A Fat Rock, Luda, Jeez,

447
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Speaker 1: Little Wayne, Rihanna, Mary Jake, Damn dude, I mean what

448
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Speaker 1: what It's been twenty one years. But when they call, okay, Paul,

449
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Speaker 1: who I want you on this? Right? We I want

450
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Speaker 1: you on this? So so what what? Who was the

451
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Speaker 1: first big guy, a big person to call you and

452
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Speaker 1: say I need you on this feature? Man probably desting

453
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Speaker 1: the child, probably desting the child for soldier. That's probably

454
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest features I remember getting the call

455
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Speaker 1: for Okay, okay, they call this they we want you

456
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Speaker 1: on this feature. So what's going through your mind? Now?

457
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Speaker 1: We on the way? What we going? But you know

458
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Speaker 1: me now you want me do it? Now? You know

459
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: I was excited. I was excited, man, just especially because man,

460
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Speaker 1: we grew up listening to records, you know. Uh. I

461
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Speaker 1: remember waiting to hear the Bone Thugs and hum In

462
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Speaker 1: It and Biggie record, right. I remember hearing like a

463
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Speaker 1: snippet you couldn't wait to hear the whole song. I

464
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Speaker 1: remember here hearing UH the Scarface Tupac record. I remember

465
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Speaker 1: hearing Uh California Love with Drean Park. I remember hearing

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Speaker 1: two of America mo wan It with Snoop and Park.

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Speaker 1: I remember hearing H the record with with with Big

468
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Speaker 1: and Jay and just so many collaborations, and I remember

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Speaker 1: the energy, you know, like eug K and Jay, z

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Speaker 1: u g K and outcre EUGK and UH and c Murder.

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Speaker 1: Like I just remember waiting to hear this music because

472
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Speaker 1: I I appreciated these collaborations so much so when people

473
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Speaker 1: called me to collaborate, I just want to create that

474
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Speaker 1: moment right for the listener, like you know, like that

475
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Speaker 1: mumore create it for me. You want them to feel

476
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Speaker 1: when they hear you on a feature like you felt

477
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Speaker 1: when you heard those other guys on the feature Never Scared,

478
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Speaker 1: Bone Crushing. That was really the one, that first one.

479
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Speaker 1: That was the one that like, okay, the first one

480
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Speaker 1: this TI yeah yeah, well actually it was one before that,

481
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Speaker 1: probably nobody probably never heard. It was an R and

482
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Speaker 1: B group called co Ed. Okay, there was a signed too.

483
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Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, I think, uh whitfield label. Okay,

484
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I was at work,

485
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Speaker 1: yeah past where I was working. I would working at

486
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Speaker 1: pass work and happened to have a label. They heard

487
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: me coming up. It was like look, quiet rumbling and

488
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: they were like, man, let me get this gap real

489
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Speaker 1: early while I could just slide him a quick fifteen

490
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Speaker 1: hundred and get him on that. That was my first

491
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Speaker 1: paid feature. Right, you call yourself the King of the South.

492
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Speaker 1: Now you know when you call yourself the king or

493
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Speaker 1: anything down now it had listen, call earned the right

494
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Speaker 1: the car. But you already know where to come with that.

495
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: Now you give yourself a title. Pressure, Yeah, it's gonna

496
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Speaker 1: either bus pipes or make damn right it made dam

497
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Speaker 1: so well. So when you call yourself the king of

498
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Speaker 1: the South, and you know, there's some heavy hills in

499
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Speaker 1: the eight because it come back, I mean like during

500
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Speaker 1: the nineties, and that was that way that started coming

501
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Speaker 1: you yourself and the and the and the luders and

502
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Speaker 1: the tis, and to get them and not to get

503
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Speaker 1: them a good m Yeah, all you sleeping brown, all

504
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Speaker 1: you guys started coming. It's like, all right, and you

505
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Speaker 1: say I'm the king of the y'all know what. Let's

506
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: see this is the thing. So like a lot of

507
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: common misconception is taking place because we're all we're always

508
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Speaker 1: meet luder Jez. We're always kind of grouped in the

509
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Speaker 1: class before us, right with like uh, sleeping brown, good

510
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Speaker 1: outcasts and so on and so forth. Those are I

511
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Speaker 1: would pred ourselves, right, you see what I'm saying there,

512
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Speaker 1: Like they came before us and opened the door for us.

513
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Speaker 1: But we were a whole nother class meeting luded Jez gucci,

514
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Speaker 1: Like we were a whole other class. Uh. And and

515
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Speaker 1: when I came and said King of the South, it

516
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Speaker 1: was never you know, it wasn't about this. It wasn't

517
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Speaker 1: by their respect, but it like but it wasn't against.

518
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Speaker 1: I spoke to just about everybody that I had access

519
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Speaker 1: to that came from the class before me. I spoke

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Speaker 1: the big boy Andre three K. I all looked at

521
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Speaker 1: him up. I spoke to uh Scarface Bundy, who passed

522
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Speaker 1: message to PEMPC. He was he was locked up at

523
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Speaker 1: the time, eight ball m and I spoke to all

524
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Speaker 1: of him right, asked a man, how do you feel

525
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Speaker 1: about me calling myself the king of theself just out

526
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Speaker 1: of respect? Right? And everybody tell me, man, go on here, man,

527
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Speaker 1: do what you feel right because they knew I was cold, right, Uh.

528
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Speaker 1: And they they they kind of they kind of seen

529
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Speaker 1: a lot of theirselfs in me. I remember Scarface saying

530
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Speaker 1: something like, man, you can have it. I don't want

531
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Speaker 1: to be king, you know what I'm saying? And and uh,

532
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Speaker 1: I remember three K Andred three thousand. He was like,

533
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Speaker 1: so what does it mean to be king? Really? Let

534
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Speaker 1: you say king? Like, what does it really mean to

535
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Speaker 1: be king? And h I remember a big Bud telling it, man,

536
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Speaker 1: now you know you say you're gonna be king? Can't

537
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Speaker 1: be looking for no favors? Now, I'm like, yeah, but

538
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Speaker 1: you're okay with it though, right? I don't care what

539
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Speaker 1: they feel like you straight though, right? And but he

540
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: said something real like, you know, he basically told me

541
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Speaker 1: you're gonna be putting the bulls down on your back.

542
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: You might become a target, right, you say, you king?

543
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: You know the game. The name of the game and

544
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Speaker 1: chance is to kill of the king, right, And you

545
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Speaker 1: know I came to find that to be exactly the case.

546
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Speaker 1: But I just let everybody else know that it was

547
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: okay to say they was king, right, you know what

548
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I ain't say I was the only king, right?

549
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: I was your first one? Yeah. I was just the

550
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: one to let you know that this okay to call

551
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: yourself did I'm looking at it? Definitely Child Soldier with

552
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Speaker 1: Little Wayne Robin Thick blurred lines in the for real

553
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Speaker 1: way of pique. The number one were taken over. I

554
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Speaker 1: love that. Fat Joe, Rick, Roth Bird, Wayne and Fwaggle

555
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Speaker 1: like Us featuring Kanye Hold a little Wayne, what's your

556
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Speaker 1: favorite feature? I can't say you ain't got one, but

557
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: now yes I can. The one feature in my son

558
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Speaker 1: the Money that would produce I must's kind of family

559
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Speaker 1: connect off of the Libra album. That's that's got to

560
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: be my favorite. I can't even cap when you on

561
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Speaker 1: a track, you on a feature and you got hold

562
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Speaker 1: and you got bird, well, you got somebody. It's kind

563
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: of like when we go to the Pro Bowl, you

564
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Speaker 1: go to the All Star Game. I gotta let you

565
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Speaker 1: know where I'm here. That's right now. I gotta let

566
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Speaker 1: y'all know where I'm on this feature now. So hey,

567
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: I just just so we know, yeah, I do this now. Yeah,

568
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of getting in the blender. Hold you know.

569
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Speaker 1: I mean you're here like we easy. Don't write in

570
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Speaker 1: thing down? Hold down, writing thing down? You go. I mean,

571
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it? Do you write

572
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: things I've done? I'm ambidextrous. Okay, you know what I'm saying.

573
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I've done it both ways. I uh but it was

574
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: healthy competition, absolutely absolutely. I uh so I went through

575
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: a period. And it depends on what type of song

576
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: we're trying to me right. You know, we make son

577
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: like you don't know me, make songs like twenty folds,

578
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: songs like uh even bring them out, you know what

579
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Certain songs or more about divide right and

580
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: and and the flow, the cadence, you know, and it's

581
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: not as wordy like you know, songs that I actually

582
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: wrote down was like live your Life. Yeah, uh, you know,

583
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: just other more meticulous flow. You know, I had to

584
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: kind of take pen to paper. You know, it just depends.

585
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: I can't I can't think of talk my head the

586
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Speaker 1: one you did with justin timber Lake, My Love? Is

587
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: it My Love? Or Dead and Gone? Yeah They're gone? Okay, Yeah,

588
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: yeah they gone? Is that a different vibe? Dead and gone?

589
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: As opposed to being on something with Kanye in a

590
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: little Wayne It is. It's more reflective, you know, it's

591
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: more reflective and and and and it pulls from past experiences,

592
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: and it's definitely something that takes more time, more energy,

593
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 1: and it just it has to have more intention, right.

594
00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: You know, most times when we when we put words

595
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: to music, we're really kind of capturing a vibey like

596
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Speaker 1: this is telling a story. We're trying to kind of

597
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to to deliver a message, right, Yeah, I mean,

598
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Speaker 1: and it's a little bit different, So I take it.

599
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: I take a different approach everybody probably now the two

600
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Speaker 1: people that everybody wants to get on a feature huh

601
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Speaker 1: whole uh weezing, Right, you have both of them how

602
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Speaker 1: do how do you pick up the phone if it hoole,

603
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: I need you, I need you because they not they

604
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Speaker 1: not picking they not they not calling everybody back. They're

605
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: not picking up the phone for everybody. Yeah, I think bruh,

606
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Speaker 1: it was a moment in time. It was. It wasn't

607
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Speaker 1: really more I need you in man, they get it

608
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: to the people right now. True enough, I did need them.

609
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Speaker 1: You know. However, I feel like, you know, if I

610
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Speaker 1: presented to something that's mutual advantageous for both for both

611
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Speaker 1: of us, and it's something to celebrate you know each

612
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: other and get the fans what they want to see. Uh,

613
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: that's a different conversation than just having a one way

614
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Speaker 1: conversation that me just need you. You know what I'm saying.

615
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: You can ask your question. And relationships, Yeah, yeah, you

616
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: build great relationships because down the road they might need

617
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Speaker 1: you and hey, I need this. I try to beat

618
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Speaker 1: there whenever the people need me, man, and that that

619
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Speaker 1: that have been there for me. I try to reciprocate,

620
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, all levels of of of positive energy. I

621
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Speaker 1: can let me put in some sports context, if Michael Jordan,

622
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: let's just say Michael Jordan, because Lebron is still playing right,

623
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Speaker 1: every current player like man, Mike, that's Mike. Yeah. Hold.

624
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Speaker 1: Do artists feel that way when they meet whole like

625
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: people feel like the NBA players feel like when they

626
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Speaker 1: meet Jordan. It's hard to say, I'm gonna tell you something,

627
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Speaker 1: And it really difficult because although I was introducing the

628
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Speaker 1: world a rep, although I was you know, I I

629
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Speaker 1: I value my presence in position in the world a

630
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Speaker 1: rapid help. I just feel like that's my introduction, and

631
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Speaker 1: I had so much more going on, right, and I

632
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Speaker 1: I kind of divide my my elfas energy and attention.

633
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if I am looked at as

634
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: a second coming of anything because of how much other

635
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: stuff I do, right, the amount of attention that I

636
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: paid to the actual music portion or my career. Uh,

637
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't know where they placed that, cause I don't

638
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: know how many other people who do the same amount

639
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: of other things that I do right, uh at this

640
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: present moment in my career. Uh. At one time, I

641
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: would call it the jay z or theself you know,

642
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: and and that was that was a a a a

643
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: phrase that was coined by for real. I I see myself,

644
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, uh, like as a hybrid a hybrid kind

645
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: of between I guess Jay Park, uh Puff and and

646
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: like uh a snoop, you know what I'm saying, sort

647
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: of like, you know, I kind of hop yeah, and

648
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: I take pages out of the Book of Legends. And

649
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough and and and just blessed enough

650
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: to be able to have the relationship where I could

651
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: sit and engage and and soak up game with people

652
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: like Efted, people like Too Short, people like i Q,

653
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: people like master P, people like Jay Print, people like

654
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: Russell Simmon, people like Puff, people like Jay You know

655
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm able to soak their game up,

656
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: so I could just take a page out of the

657
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: book when necessary, you know what I'm saying. Uh And

658
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: And I don't have to anything exactly. I don't have

659
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: to just settle in one shadow, right, Yeah, I mean

660
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: I can hop in and that of as as needed

661
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: for mine, for my career, and I feel like that's

662
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: what I've been blessed and able to do, fortunate enough.

663
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of the producers you work with

664
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: for real, Williams, Kanye, Doctor Dre Javie Faye ATLS on

665
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: Swizz Beats, and then you look at doctor Dre Right. Uh,

666
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: all these guys with doctor Dre. When it comes to

667
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: with it color the producers, right, d D D d

668
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: R E. Is is it right? What are some of

669
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: the similarities and what are some of the differences, Like

670
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: when you go into the studio, then you know what

671
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: to expect when to each individual guy. When you go

672
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: into a studio, say with Jazz Paye or Swizz or

673
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: Dre or any of those guys, what's your expectations and

674
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: then what are the expectations that they have for you? Well,

675
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: I go into it with more of an appreciation than

676
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: I do an expectation. You know what I'm saying. Uh,

677
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: I just appreciate the opportunity to be working amongst the elite,

678
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: right you did? And the list that you name, I mean,

679
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: I value, respect and and appreciate all of from the

680
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: top to the bottom of that list. But I can't

681
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: move forward talking about producers without acknowledging. Uh. DJ took right,

682
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: because that's you know, that's the guy who was the

683
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: very very very first professionally, you know, to come in

684
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I think he don't take me under

685
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: here wing give me his beats, and I kind of

686
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: introduced me to the world. So that's my doctor Drake. Right, Okay,

687
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So what we had when

688
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: we built, I think it kind of shaped and molded

689
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: a sound and a genre for generations, you know what

690
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: I mean. However, you look at Pharrell. Farrell was the

691
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: first like superstar, a list producer who would say, you

692
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: know what, I liked the guy, I'm work with him.

693
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm I'm gonna give him

694
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: access to to to my skill set, to my talents

695
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: and my efforts. Uh. He did that my first album.

696
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: And then he start to you, well, no, he said yes, okay,

697
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But at the same time

698
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: he said yes when he was getting a hundred some thousand,

699
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: I was a track and I couldn't afford to pay that, right,

700
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: So he had the kind of light just in the

701
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 1: sense of sports. He had to take a pay cup. Yeah, okay, okay,

702
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He had to take a

703
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: hair a cup of the thing to fit in the

704
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: candle so we could play together, you know what I'm saying.

705
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: And he was gracious enough to do that, uh, time

706
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: and time and time again until we grew the track

707
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: that he was that he was getting maybe more, it's

708
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: more now, yeah, of course, hold on, he can't blank

709
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: checks at the point, so hold on. So you have

710
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: you have an album that man do twelve songs that

711
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 1: one point two, So I mean you better fail about

712
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: three four million, Cobby, I mean, listen, Okay, we're getting

713
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: the hell that I see. First of all, if you

714
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: get twelve track from for Real for one album, it's

715
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: usually gonna be on his label. Okay, you did. Yeah, However,

716
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: if you get two or three, you know what I'm saying,

717
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: you can expect the part ways without the consideration, Okay,

718
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: without a downward departure consideration. You could expect the part

719
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: way with about a half of me, you know what

720
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Uh. And and he you know, he found

721
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: way exceptions are made for exception of circumstances. Yes, and

722
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: he found reason to make the exception. And he fitted

723
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: in my cap my first album, and we just developed

724
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: the relationship and and we've been working together ever since. Right,

725
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: And that's a that's one of the dopeing producers I've

726
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: ever worked with. Jazz and fans. Well, yes, I see

727
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: doctor Drey Solder's catalog for two hundred plus million. Are damned?

728
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: Are you looking to get up off your catalog? No?

729
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: Well well well okay, okay, listen everything at the price.

730
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that now. I think that

731
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: there are many ways to uh utilize the benefit and

732
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: manipulate your catalog. One of them is selling it out

733
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: right right, and another is licensing. Right. You can license

734
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: someone the use of your catalog for a period of time,

735
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: eased on what it's earning right now, and the same

736
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: way they do other companies, you know what I mean? Right,

737
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: if I have an interfere, you can turn into an Airbnb.

738
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: You did? I mean, like for instance? Right? So, so

739
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: if I have a let's say an intellectual property, okay,

740
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: club shah, Yeah, you own an intellectual property I do,

741
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: and all of your episodes, let's call it a hundred episodes, right,

742
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: that's under your ownership. Yeah, you can license it the

743
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: ESPN right for ten years based on what each of

744
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: these episodes have earned you over a course with an

745
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: eight X or a ten X or a half a

746
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: minute X. You can license it the Fox. You can

747
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: license it, you know what I'm saying, And you can

748
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: get the money like that and there's a reversion period.

749
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: So after that period it reverted back to you and

750
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: you get the and I can tell the point. I

751
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: can let them have it again some more something. Nah,

752
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I won't hold on to it because I see what

753
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: y'all doing. I'm gonna do it myself. You feel me? Yes? Yeah,

754
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: so I'm on one way to skin a cat. Yeah,

755
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: you're in the Hollywood. Yeah, we're going about it all wrong.

756
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: I ain't say that because everybody got to make their

757
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: own decisions as you did. You been this man, I'm thinking.

758
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, but they got it. But

759
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: you gotta know what's right for you, because you know

760
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They say, Okay, we could do it

761
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: like that. You just want't fifty right now. It just

762
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: depends you did Hollywood million right now. I'm I'm ever

763
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: get up on it. I ain't gonna like time to

764
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: be about legacy. It don't be about money, you see it, Yeah,

765
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: because I don't want to be doing away with that,

766
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, ce ce Cee. We don't

767
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: want people just being able to just toss us around,

768
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: right and put our face in our name and I

769
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: logos up on anything but I input, you know what

770
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: you know? And you said that because I was thinking about,

771
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, my knyact. I said. Then someone asked like,

772
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: would you sell it? And I was thinking if I

773
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: sold it one of it because it's name my grandmother

774
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: La Portiers poured in and so I did. In print,

775
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: I said, so what did they took that off? There?

776
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: And then I ain't got no legacy. All I got

777
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: is this money that I made off of it. But

778
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: what I really established started this for is gone. So

779
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: what does that work? Integrity to me is more valuable.

780
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 1: Can't put a price on that hard and it can't

781
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, I say the true measure of wealth is

782
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: by the amount of things someone has that money can't buy.

783
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: You did, yes, uh? Because some people look poor all

784
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: they have is money? Right you did? You know? How

785
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: much respect? How much family? How much love? You know

786
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, how how many priceless things do

787
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: you have? Right? I think that's you know, that's that's

788
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: what I kind of try and incorporate into my decision. Man,

789
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at young girls say. He recently revealed that

790
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: he spent five million on clothes and could not wear

791
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: the same thing every day for two straight years. That's

792
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: my brother. Yep, spend five million on clothes? Are you not?

793
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: No more? Oh? Not no more? Oh? I don't did it?

794
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: What was someone? I give you some of some of

795
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: the wasteful things that you spend your money on, all

796
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff, man, I mean jewelry. I mean on

797
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: my twenty fifth birthday. This is something that I remember

798
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: with great detail, vividly. On my twenty fifth birthday, I

799
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: bought a estonmar Vanquish and uh uh uh a McLaren SLR.

800
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: Bought them both, had them dropped off the same time

801
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: the same day. Then they both got out there, paid

802
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: for them cash right, and then they both got out

803
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: three quarter of a mile Yeah, yeah, yeah they so.

804
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: So when they got there, When they got there, I'm

805
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: walking around them when they like, you know, they loading

806
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: them off the truck, driving them out, handing me the keys,

807
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: signed for it, and I'm signed there. I'm like, I

808
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: can't drive both of these cars at the same time

809
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: at the same time. What the hell am I gonna do?

810
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: You know? Then I told to me because my wife,

811
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: well she was my my girlfriend at the time. I said, hey,

812
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: he'll drive one of us. She said, nah, I want

813
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: to ride with you. I said, what the hell did

814
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: I just do the Remember that it was the damage. Damn,

815
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: you got two cars, but you canna drive one and

816
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But you know it was just

817
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: our canister. I overpaid for a house. We wanted to

818
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: stay on the lake so bad. I want then this

819
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: was it. I was just proving the point. It's a

820
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: lake called Lake Spine. I've been in Atlanta, yeah, and

821
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: it's the only sports lake like within like the metro area.

822
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: And if anybody nobody Atlanta, it's it's landlocked. It is

823
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: ain't no water for a good thing. Because can you

824
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: imagine Lanta with a beach? Man, I smelled the salt water,

825
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: you know. Can you imagine when freak nig with that

826
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: if height in the nineties, if they'd had a beach,

827
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: if Peachtree was on the water. Can't you imagine if

828
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: it was No, I don't wannamagine. I don't want to imagine.

829
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: But so okay, So we wanted to stay on this

830
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: lake so bad. It was her dream to stay on

831
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 1: the water, to stay on the lake. And we're looking

832
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: for houses and she just you know, she was rich

833
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: before me. So you know. When I got my paper,

834
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: she showed me how to spend my money. Yeah up,

835
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: and we wanted We found this house. It was almost finished, right,

836
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: and uh we we had fell in love with it.

837
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: I had already put it in an offer. They'd accepted

838
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: our offer. We were gonna get this house. And then

839
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if a neighbor came out and saw

840
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: us looking at it, or some some kind of way

841
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: got worried back to the owner of the seller of

842
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: the house. They wouldn't sell it to us. They like,

843
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: they just wouldn't sell it to us. I I I

844
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: don't know it cause I was a rapper, because I

845
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: was young, cause I was black, combination of all the three,

846
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But they wouldn't sell to us.

847
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: And I just saw, like, I don't know if it

848
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: was paying a disappointment or just the anguish on her faith.

849
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: I was like, man, we're gonna be on this lake now.

850
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to be. Now I'm taking this ship perfect Yeah. Yeah, man.

851
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: We started knocking dough the dough man, I started running around,

852
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: found the house and I stayed there. We pulled up, Hey,

853
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: that would sell y'all house? And uh we found one

854
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: the one that I mean now on the lake. It

855
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: was Ah, a middle aged Indian fam well Indian man

856
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: who had a family, and he had just built the

857
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: house maybe two three years ago. He said, you want

858
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: this house? I was like, yeah, and uh I paid

859
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: him by five hundred thousand over what it would work right,

860
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that was one of

861
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: the dumbest things that I've you bought Oprah, I did

862
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: that was open? Did over? What up the modesty? Know

863
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: how wasn't people say you're not on the door? The

864
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: people left? We did that? Did? I just remember looking

865
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: at him like so like like like he looking at

866
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: me like you, uh, you you really gonna give me

867
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: this much? He gave me the number like I know

868
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna get it. I know he ain't gonna

869
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: give me there, right man. The folks stayed in the

870
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: hotel for three months so we could buy this house.

871
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: You feel me. That's one of the dumbest things I've done.

872
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: But I still but we had so many memories in

873
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: the house right raised the family, children grew up. It's

874
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: the house that y'all see on family Husbands. Yep, that's

875
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: what I want to talk to you about what about it?

876
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: Because you're a great family man. I see you how

877
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: you blended your family together. And it's not easy. And

878
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: that's what I want to ask you about. It's not

879
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: easy having your life play out in front of everybody

880
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: to see, cause everybody, Oh, I wouldn't do that. I

881
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to my kids. I wouldn't get this to

882
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: my kids. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do this. Yeah,

883
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: is it hard having your life play out for others

884
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: to judge? If you are going to be emotionally attached

885
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: to how they receive it, if you're going to have

886
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: any emotional attachment to their opinion of what you're doing,

887
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: if you gonna if you're gonna care about what they're saying. Yeah,

888
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard. Uh, But if you just kinda

889
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: take from it what you want from it, right and

890
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: if it don't apply, let it fly right and you can,

891
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, kind of who saw yourself

892
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: outside of the public opinion? Then I think you know

893
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: because I tell you what, I have the greatest, most

894
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: extensive family photo album I can document and like I

895
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: could go back to when King was Heriss's age, I

896
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: can go back to when major was my granddaughter's age,

897
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have been able to do that if

898
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't for family hustle. That it does come with

899
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: some you know, it's some adversity. It's some adversity to

900
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: come with that. People get in your bid. Yeah, you know,

901
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: but you're a private manor I try to be man,

902
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: you know. But at the same time, I'm not gonna

903
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: hard to be a private man in the public lightheart.

904
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna live my life in a bubble for

905
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,959
Speaker 1: some up because of some other person's uh, I guess

906
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: lack of awareness. Okay, you can't give people with the

907
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: least amount of information the most consideration. Okay, wow, you did?

908
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: You did? I know, you know the absolute least of me,

909
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: So why would I give you the most consideration. You know,

910
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: you're just talking about what you know, and what you

911
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: know is it's it's a it's it's it's a minutia.

912
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you. The the transition atl takers get

913
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: hard identity thief and man. How were you able to

914
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: make the transition so seamlessly from being a rapper to

915
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: going on the big screen. I don't know if you

916
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: were exactly call it seamless. Uh. My first film was

917
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: atl I had the pleasure of acting in it because

918
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, coming up amongst the ranks and in Atlanta,

919
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: it would bring me into the company of all of

920
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: the legends in the in the city. And I could

921
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: not meet all the legends without coming into contact with

922
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: Dallas Auston. Okay, and Dallas Austin was a huge, huge,

923
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: huge producer or something I forgot about him. Yeah. Man,

924
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: just just an incredible talent and an incredible mogul. And uh,

925
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: he was getting in the films and he had this

926
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: one film and it was I was working on my

927
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: first album. He was telling me about this first film

928
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: and you know, I was always like, yo, brou put

929
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: me in it. And he was like all right, yeah, man,

930
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: say less and he sent me to go read and

931
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: I read. They were like, man, you got to learn

932
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: how to play the drum. I was like, man, I

933
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: could play. I could play like I could play the drum.

934
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: And was like, nah, you gotta learn how to Like man,

935
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I just didn't want

936
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: to commit myself to it at the time. It wasn't there,

937
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: you know. But I read and I didn't get it,

938
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: you know, and that movie went on to be drum Line. Wow,

939
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: you know you gonna be Nick Cannon? Yeah? Yeah, I

940
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: was reading for Nick Cannon boyd. Yeah. So you know,

941
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: some nobody came and got there. I'm looking at you.

942
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: You was gonna move American gangster. But that but look though,

943
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: that opened the door for me to do ATM. Yeah.

944
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: After after I didn't get the role for drum Line, Uh,

945
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: I went back to Dallas and say, man, Nick, time,

946
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: bro Jay, give me the rod. I ain't going to

947
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: read or nothing. Ja, give me the road. He was

948
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: like cool, you know, and he just gave me the

949
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: role for Rashaw and atl and a lot of time,

950
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: Nick Kennedy and I, you know, we'd be going back

951
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: and forth, you know, and we get we get on

952
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: each other. I'd be like, yeah, man, you took my role.

953
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, but how to traded you for

954
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: your role? You know what I'm saying. I said, you

955
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: couldn't have did my role right, And we just you know,

956
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: we have that kind of a rapport. So I'm happy.

957
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: You know, all things happened for a reason with God

958
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: got for you can't no one and take from you

959
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: you got two of them. Get you out here on

960
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: two things you did to meddle with our American gangster

961
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: with Denzel Brouh. That's I mean, if you're in a movie,

962
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't ask for a battle Dotter to

963
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: be in the movie with. I had no idea. Why

964
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: the hell they called me? For real? You know what

965
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying. At first, right, I was like, you sure

966
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: you won't me? You know not? I mean, you had Denzel,

967
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: Ridley Scott Rizzle, you had Ruby Deve had uh Coming,

968
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: you had tu A Tael, you had just so much

969
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: phenomenal talent, uh, Cuba Good and Junior. Yep. You know

970
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm like and the like, be y'all

971
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: me you for real? And I remember the scene well,

972
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: I was we was preparing we had the the the

973
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: camera blocking or or rehearsal for the scene that that

974
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: d Dug and I were about to do together. Oh

975
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: d dub that this Zel, Yeah, that was I call him.

976
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: I call him. I'm no, I'm just joking. But we

977
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 1: but we had they got uh this rehearsal for this scene.

978
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: As we rehearsing, I'm pacing back and forth, pacing back

979
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: and forth, and he say, what's what name? You nervous?

980
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm just just making sure I don't

981
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 1: mess it up. Man and say, hey, man, listen, listen y'rself.

982
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: They could have had anybody here doing what you're doing

983
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: right now. They could have had anybody in the world.

984
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: It could have called anybody right here to do what

985
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: you're doing right now, can it? I say, I say yeah, yeah,

986
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: he said they called you here for a reason, didn't it.

987
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: I say yeah, he said, you know what that you

988
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: know what that reason is? I started thinking. I say yeah,

989
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I think, yeah I do. He said, I hate then

990
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: they could do that, and you ain't got no reason

991
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: to be nervous. I read that you had a famous

992
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: sack to get mad at. You're doing a table. Read

993
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: what happened. Say no the drugs, Say no the drugs? Man?

994
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: I uh yeah, that was Morgan Freeman man. Uh And

995
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: and and just to be honest, I I I wasn't prepared.

996
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't prepared. And you know that was an opportunity

997
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: I should have taken more seriously. And I completely accept

998
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: accountability and I've grown from that. Uh. But I will

999
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: say he made me feel this me. I mean no

1000
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: like you you see you see lean on me. Yeah,

1001
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm on the roof. Yep, chump, smoke crack, don't you chump? Yeah,

1002
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Uh. But I feel like, man,

1003
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: that was something that I needed, right, that was something

1004
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: that I needed on my on my on my journey

1005
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: because that it was like a shock to the system, right,

1006
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: you feel me. It was a shot to the system

1007
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: to let me know, Man, I ain't never gonna putt

1008
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: myself in a position to have you know, nobody be

1009
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: able to chastise me and set your way right, uh

1010
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: and all and our Man, I really do feel that,

1011
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: you know, I could have contributed to the movie and

1012
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: made it right better than it was. But I put

1013
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: myself in a position, but that opportunity was taken from me.

1014
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: And there's nobody's fault but my own. Tell us about

1015
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: the movie, man. The movie is called Fear. Fear is

1016
00:55:54,760 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: a psychological thriller. Dione Taylor wrote, directed, produced it. It's

1017
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: an ensemble cast myself, Terence, Jay, Joseph's Acorra uh king

1018
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: Batch Ruby uh Anie and and and and others and

1019
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's about some friends who meet up

1020
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: at a large during the height of the pandemic and

1021
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: they don't realize that the large is hunted, is hunted

1022
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: and it responds to your fears. You acknowledging fears. And

1023
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: when you acknowledge your fears and you you feed into them,

1024
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: they bring those fears to life. So how each person

1025
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: responds to facing their fears is really that's that's the

1026
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: nucleus of this film. Wow, best of luck with the film.

1027
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: Thank you congrass on all the success and man. January

1028
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: twenty seven. I need you to you know what I mean.

1029
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: I needs you to show up and show out the

1030
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: way you do. You know what I'm saying. You know,

1031
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: like you. It needs you to That was that was

1032
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: a it off. It needs you to show up and

1033
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: show at you know. Now now you gotta like man,

1034
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: you gotta skip as too. Now that's seen you get

1035
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: out you don't you know, see? But I did so

1036
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: I maintained my cool and that I pride of myself

1037
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: and then I let my emotion because I can't. I'm

1038
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: not gonna say that it was some people say that's

1039
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: not me. No, that was last night. That was that

1040
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: was you that would give me out of character. But

1041
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: that was me. I mean, man, listen, I think what's

1042
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: important to always understand for everybody. We all fall short

1043
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: of the glory you do. Ain't none of us perfect.

1044
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: No humans are followable. I flesh is weak. Uh. If

1045
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: you're a Christian? What you what you understand? Dear? Uh?

1046
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: Through repentance and acceptance, you're able to get a chance

1047
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: and a choice every day. You know what I'm saying.

1048
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 1: And shouldn't nobody be pointing no fingers and anybody who

1049
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: try to maintain a perfect image and try to make

1050
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: it seem like you don't make no mistake. And as

1051
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: soon as you step outside line, that's when it's gonna

1052
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: be such a big deal. I already let you know. Listen, man,

1053
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: I didn't mess up to date, but if I do,

1054
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: God gonna forgive me. So why would I hold your

1055
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: words or your your criticism more than I hold to

1056
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: the lords? And I think, man, that's what we got

1057
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: to all get into. Man, We got to we can't

1058
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: keep on just holding each other under a microscope, expecting

1059
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: us not to step outside the lines of affection, because

1060
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: that's something that anybody could have held against them at

1061
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: any time. We get out of comedy. I mean, outstanding rapper,

1062
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,919
Speaker 1: You've been great in movies. What the hell made you say?

1063
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna try this man as a well.

1064
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't plan on it, Okay, you know,

1065
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: I've always had an enormous amount of respect and admiration

1066
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: for any of the arts, for the art form of comedy,

1067
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: and comedy like going to see comedians. It's always been

1068
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: with me and my wife Life did a lot of things.

1069
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: You know, we'll go out, We'll hit the comedy clubs.

1070
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: I've even had like big, big open mic nights, you know, uh,

1071
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: tripping on Sundays, tripping on Tuesdays. And it wasn't until

1072
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: January twelfth, two thousand and twenty two, I went to

1073
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: see k Doub who was a partner of mine, happens

1074
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: to be a comedian, and he had an open mic night.

1075
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: I went to support him. It was somebody on stage

1076
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: having a horrible go of it, right, and we could

1077
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: agree that he was not doing well, but we couldn't

1078
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: agree exactly why. I felt like, you know, the guy,

1079
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't connected with the audience, and you know,

1080
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: he's just his confidence level were lower and and k

1081
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: double like now, he telling them boaring that story. Ain't

1082
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: get into the jokes. And we were going back and

1083
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: forth like that at the bar, and he finally looked

1084
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: at me with a menacing scowl and said, well, I've

1085
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: been doing it twenty years. When you're gonna get on

1086
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: stage since you know so much, I man, come on

1087
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: and stop playing you trick. And so I go back

1088
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: down and sit with my wife. He go up to

1089
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: the stage, get the mic from dude after he finished

1090
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 1: his sick And when you get the mic from dude,

1091
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: he said, all right, coming to the stage. Whether he

1092
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: know it or not, he put you on the spot

1093
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: life time for real, bro, you know. And and uh

1094
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: so I I you know, first I was just you know,

1095
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: trying to shine off and then you know, yeah, but

1096
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: you're crazy. You're crazy, next comedian, y'all come on quila,

1097
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: And they started clapping so loud, you know what I mean.

1098
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: So I just had to think of something from the

1099
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: seat to the stage, and I went up there and

1100
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: really just talked about my day for real, right, talked

1101
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: about my day, got my first laugh, and I would

1102
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: hook you hook and I freestaff for like thirty five

1103
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: minutes and I get off stage and I see Kad.

1104
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: He like, man, you probably need to come back, and

1105
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: I sit down. I knew I did something right because

1106
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: my wife said, how did you do that? She's never

1107
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: impressed anything right, dude. Uh, And I've been I started

1108
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: doing it every day ever since. Man, and it's now

1109
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: fifty fifty four weeks in comedy right now. Your family,

1110
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the thing is that you document

1111
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: that you're not perfect. Your family is not perfect. You

1112
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: have issues like a lot of people have with your

1113
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: kids and you, you know, I think Keen, you's the

1114
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: one that that that's on social media to have a

1115
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: little issues right now that my twin and you like, bro,

1116
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, I've done everything I possibly can. But something

1117
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: like my grandmother's to say, boy, you don't know how

1118
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: bad somebody head hurt until you bump your own. You

1119
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: digg what I'm saying, and so you like, he gonna

1120
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: have to find this out. I've told him the same

1121
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: role that he's doing. I've been down there. I'm trying

1122
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: to tell him to keep it from going down. I

1123
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: understand been down the road he was he because I've

1124
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: never had access to means yeah yeah, yeah, just kept

1125
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I understand that he don't

1126
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: want to be like in talking to him because I

1127
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: have a you don't like being lectured to talk to her.

1128
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: Not really, just that I have an excellent communication with

1129
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: all my kids. I try to list as much as

1130
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: I speak to them, right, And his from his position there, man,

1131
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't just wanna be celebrities kid like, I don't

1132
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: want to live off of y'all success. I don't wanna

1133
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: have to just be in y'all shadows. And he really,

1134
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: he really want to be kind of looked at as

1135
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: his own man, not just as his own man, but

1136
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: he he want to go through the different challenges and adversities.

1137
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: He want to be tested and be graded on his

1138
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: response to whatever his skill city is in that area.

1139
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: Not oh well he did he did bad because he

1140
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: ta oh he did good because he tight it tiny son, Right,

1141
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He he just really wanted,

1142
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: he wanted, he wanted, he want a clean slate. And

1143
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: I try to tell him, you'll never have that, son,

1144
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: You'll never have that because you know your dad and

1145
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: your mom can't give it back. You were born with it.

1146
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: You can't give it back. You mad with embrace exactly.

1147
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: And you know, but I love him and I understand

1148
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: he has a strong sense of marvel standards and integrity,

1149
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: a fabric that most people in his generation don't really

1150
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: necessarily carry with them, right, So I appreciate that. Try

1151
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: to take the good with the bad, and yet let

1152
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: him know, you go into prison if you keep it up.

1153
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't wish it on him, you know what I'm saying.

1154
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't wish it on him, And I love him

1155
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: through it. Whatever he going through, I love him through it.

1156
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: And I can't say he a great kid enough. But

1157
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 1: the media don't talk enough about the good poems, you

1158
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. All they do is focus on

1159
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: the bad because they get them more clicks, right, And

1160
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, I try to make him aware of that.

1161
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: And you know, when we're young, we kind of talk

1162
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: about things based on how we think they should it

1163
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: be right, rather than acknowledging them for how we know

1164
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: they are right. And I just try and you know,

1165
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: walk walk him through to get better every day though. Right.

1166
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: And another thing I'd like to say I want to

1167
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: say about about about King Right. Yes, as much criticism

1168
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: as I received about my son, I would like to

1169
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,479
Speaker 1: share light on the fact we all got bad ass

1170
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: key that listen, don't they can seem like I'm the

1171
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: only one. I don't hear who got badass key? We

1172
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: all go through. You feel what I'm saying. If you

1173
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: ain't got no bad ass kids, you got one and

1174
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: you got lucky. You hit me. Anybody with three or

1175
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: more multiples, you got one that you don't know what

1176
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: to hear? You gonna do? You feel me? So I

1177
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: just wanted to take you just take the time to

1178
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: say that tea, you can you walk in the shoes

1179
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: or like what wire sail is going through? I mean

1180
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: I ain't going through, but you know you spend some

1181
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: time you know you was doing. You didn't get that Rico,

1182
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: You didn't get that Rico hit the put on you

1183
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: if you could offer them some advice, because what is

1184
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: what is art? And then what do you talk? Bro?

1185
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: You did that and now you singing about it? First

1186
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: of all, I take it when I make a point

1187
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: out to do and talk about nobody case, right, I

1188
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: don't talk about nobody case. Everybody got their own journey.

1189
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: Thugger happens to be somebody and then and deal in

1190
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: my hard right, you know what I'm saying. He one

1191
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: of the ones that really I have a very very

1192
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: very close connection with, and I hate to see him

1193
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: going through it cause I know how good it's hard.

1194
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: It is, right. I've seen him just be so selfless

1195
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: and think about nothing but about the other person, you

1196
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I've seen them give give thousands

1197
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: two cats just to keep them out of trouble. I've

1198
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: seen them, you know, just just throw his his his

1199
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: his earnings to the community in such a way. I

1200
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: just hate to see him going through it, man. And

1201
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. Just you know, keep

1202
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: your cheering up right, keep your chests out. Then remember

1203
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: you got people out here to love you. Because that's

1204
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: really the that's the truth, that's the true intention. Make

1205
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: people think that they locked in a dog hole, and

1206
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 1: you know they don't have no support, you know, like

1207
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: you cut off from the rest of the world, make

1208
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: you think like you're going through it by yourself. And

1209
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: I just made I just want to make sure that

1210
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: you know that he ain't going through it by myself,

1211
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: and he got people to still love him. One thing

1212
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: you're out of him been for real. Walker said something

1213
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: very interesting. He says, like, once you become somebody, you

1214
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: can't continue to try to prove that you still down

1215
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: from that neighborhood. That you can't wear like shooting dice

1216
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: and playing cards and going to do it all those

1217
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: things because you're not that same player, that same person

1218
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: that you weren't. You look at takeoff and it was

1219
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: looking a very unfortunate situation. They're rolling dice. I mean

1220
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: when when I mean, I mean, obviously you you're from

1221
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: bank here. First of all, I ain't seen him shooting

1222
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: no day. I ain't seen him shooting no day. I

1223
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: don't know what happened, right, I wasn't the right So

1224
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: that's what we're being reported. But yeah I knew it.

1225
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: I knew it. But see that's the thing, like, yeah,

1226
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't see it, right, I just tried I to

1227
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: focus on what's important. Man. We lost the life of

1228
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: an I card, right, you know, and even more than that,

1229
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: a brother, a son, you know what I mean, uh uh,

1230
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: A nephew and and a valued member of the community.

1231
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: And I just want to celebrate his life, what he meant,

1232
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: his legacy. I don't want to get into no speculation,

1233
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: hopping in and out of opinions. On what should have

1234
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: it shouldn't have? Man, that ain't got nothing that that

1235
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: it to me, that's not even important once we're talking

1236
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: about the loss of life, you know what I mean.

1237
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 1: I just man. I feel for his family, I feel

1238
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: for his partners, I feel for i Offset, I feel

1239
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: for Quavo, I feel for Pe and Coach and everybody involved. Man,

1240
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: because I know what it was like. I didn't been

1241
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: in partner, I lost my partner. I didn't have had

1242
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: to come home and tell somebody, the family that they

1243
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna make it back, you know what I mean?

1244
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: And immensely, immensely, I feel like that was that that

1245
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: was the beginning, That was the epiphany. With that that

1246
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: I wake into what that I opening moment for you.

1247
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: It was the furred domino, you feel me, It was

1248
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: the furred domino man. And I think because that led

1249
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: to the paranoia, the suspicion, and h the heavy heart

1250
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 1: that I had that caused me to make the decisions

1251
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: that led to my wrists and which led to you

1252
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: know the next part of my my my career. And

1253
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: in the next phase of decisions I would make, I

1254
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: know how traumatic and how how emotionally taxing it could be.

1255
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: So I just feel for everybody going through it, you know,

1256
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: And I just hope to be able to share whatever

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Speaker 1: I could share it to help in any way I can.

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Speaker 1: But I ain't. I just the number one way I

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01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: it help and not add on, you know what I mean.

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01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 1: So I just ain't got hm but some positive energy

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Speaker 1: and some good thoughts to to share to the world

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01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: or they Oh boy, love and respect, appreciate the sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. It flew back. It the tequila.

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01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: The tequila had it fly back. You don't even look

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01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: that much I had left, No No Shannon drunk all

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01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 1: the hells all my life, the grinding all my life,

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01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 1: psycri fice, hustle back price, wanna slice? Got the brotherer

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: dice to swad all my life. I' been grinding all

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Speaker 1: my life, all my life, the grinning all my life, Sacrifice,

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Speaker 1: hustle back to price, right, wanna slice? Got the brother?

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01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: Dice to sware all my life. I'll been grinding all

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Speaker 1: my life.