1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: He needs to keep his promises. You don't know what's 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: true anymore. It hurts me to see people burning the 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: fierce relations that I just saw, like the politics unbelievable. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: It's what you've been waiting for all day. America. Now, 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America, now join the conversation called Buck 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: toll free at eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred to eight to five, sharp mind, 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: strong voice, Buck Sexton. The American Healthcare Act is out. Everybody, 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: Oh my, oh my. We can talk quite a bit 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: about this one today. We've been waiting, Buck sexon with America. 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: Now of course here with you eight for four, nine 12 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: hundred to eight to five. I would love to hear 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: from some of you that have had to deal specifically 14 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: with the exchange, the Obamacare exchange in your state, if 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: that's something we want to call in and share, because 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,959 Speaker 1: everyone I've spoken to who has with the exchange at 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: some point in time, everybody I know who's been in 18 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Obamacare says pretty much the same thing. It's really bad 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: unless you happen to be somebody who couldn't get insurance 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: before and now can get insurance and had either a 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: serious pre existing condition or came down with a terrible illness, which, 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: of course then you really want to have health insurances 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: that of not having it. Everybody else I know who's 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: reasonably healthy, has their issues but has had to go 25 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: on an Obamacare exchange plan says that it's terrible and 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: also keeps changing, so that's no fun. You know, your 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: doctor that you can see one year is not your 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: doctor you can see the next year, is not your 29 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: doctor you can see the year after that. You can 30 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: imagine where that leads people. That makes them pretty annoyed. 31 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: And for years now we have had uh voting in 32 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: the House, voting in the Senate, all of this talk, 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: all of these discussions from Republicans promising, promising to do 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: something about Obamacare, and they've been talking about what it 35 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: would be. And now of course that we we give 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: them the House, we give them the Senate. We've got 37 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: a Republican president who says he is also dedicated to 38 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: getting rid of this law and replacing it with much 39 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: better health care for everybody. And what's come up today 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: is yes, of course, conservative opposition to the GOP House 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: Bill none as the American Healthcare Act. It was published 42 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: last night when I was on air, I was able 43 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: to read off to you some of the bullet points 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: that the House put out, of course, highlighting their favorite 45 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: parts of this. And as I said from from the beginning, 46 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: they have definitely taken some parts of Obamacare that they 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: realize are politically popular and they have use those for 48 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: their own purposes now. So pre existing conditions, those will 49 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: still be covered, and staying on your parents health insurance 50 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: until you're twenty six, that will still be a part 51 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: of all of this, and the Medicaid expansion expansion, they're 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: gonna probably keep that in most states in some capacity. 53 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: This is what they were saying. So the goodies still 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: keep flowing right there, all the yum yum delicious treats 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: that the government has been giving people the Obamacare, which 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: is just of course, of a way to get down, 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: you know, all the bad stuff for you, a way 58 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: to make it seem more palatable. You know, what is it? 59 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: A spoonful of sugar? Is that, Mary Poppins, A spoonful 60 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: of sugar makes the medicine go down? Right? That was 61 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: the spoonful of sugar. Spoonful of sugar is pre existing 62 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: condition coverage and health care until you're twenty six and 63 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: your parents plan And yes, I suppose also politically speaking, Uh, 64 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: it sweetens the deal to keep the Medicaid expansions in place. 65 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: You see this and another going to say they're gonna 66 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: say this is in multiple steps. Uh, they're going to 67 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: say that this is step one of three or step 68 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: one of a hundred, or whatever it is. But don't 69 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: you think they realize, especially given the criticisms that were 70 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: leveled against Obamacare and the day that website went live, 71 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: remember the website crash, And even even SNL, even left wing, 72 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: quasi Marxist, progressive loving SNL writers, thought that they had 73 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: to make fun of the Obamacare crash. Uh, because the 74 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: day that the website went live, of course it was, 75 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: you know, a disaster and a mess. But showing people 76 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: that you can get things done and do it properly 77 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: and do it efficiently was supposed to be a part 78 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: of this whole deal. And now the Republicans are in office. 79 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: They granted, it's it's still early and I know that, 80 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: and you have an administration that is completely under siege 81 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: from the media. That makes things more complicated, It makes 82 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: it harder. But stretching back to the days of Romney, 83 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: we've been hearing about how all we need is Republicans 84 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: to have the power, and they will handle this, they 85 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: will do it. Here we are, we're at the very 86 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: beginning of Republicans having control across the board. The only 87 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: thing that can really get in the way, or rather, 88 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: the only way that they can mess us up, is 89 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: if they get in the way of themselves, and it 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: looks like that may be happening at some level. Uh, 91 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: they're calling this and when I say they, I mean 92 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: the media, but even some Republicans are calling this Obamacare light. 93 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: We were told that would be repeal and replaced. This 94 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: feels a bit more like shift and tinker, you know. 95 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: This feels a bit like they're just going to nibble 96 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: around the edges here and there. And where is the 97 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: promise that we can buy plans from other states, that 98 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, interstate commerce, the interstate commerce 99 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: clause which has been used for so much terrible federal law, 100 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: the excuse for innumerable acts of federal overreach. And here 101 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: we are. All we want is the ability to both 102 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: buy the healthcare plan we want and buy it from 103 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: a provider wherever that provider might be in this country 104 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: that's willing to sell it to us at that at 105 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: that cost point, at that price point, and I don't 106 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: see that. I don't see that yet. And I was 107 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: going through the the text today of the American Healthcare Act, 108 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty three pages of it that I 109 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: downloaded from the House website, and going through the all 110 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: the different we're gonna take this section and this section 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: and this. It's a lot of legal ease. It's a 112 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: lot of legislative sausage making before your eyes. There are 113 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: some parts of this that I have to say, seem 114 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: like they're pretty pretty good. There's some positive aspects to it. 115 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: But they're doing things like telling you if you're going 116 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: to buy health insurance and you lose coverage for a while, 117 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: you don't have a for a while, you have to 118 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: pay a thirty percent premium. And so when you re enter, 119 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: when you re enter into the or rather when you're 120 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: into the market and then buy something, you will pay 121 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: a what is effectively a penalty that goes to the 122 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: insurance companies well instead of going to the government. Okay, 123 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: but at least you're not being forced by law to 124 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: have a plan. But when you re enter the market, 125 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna get you're gonna get dinged, You're gonna get 126 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: hit pretty hard for not having coverage for a period 127 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: of time. But there you can see here, here's the 128 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: We can get into the minutia this a little bit, 129 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: and maybe we will later in the hour if if 130 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: you're curious about some of the details that can be 131 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: offered up here. Here's the fundamental, the core underlying problem 132 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: with all of this. Republicans made it sound like Obamacare 133 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: was a constitution destroying America, ruining legislative monstrosity. And now 134 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: people can point to what they're doing and say, all right, 135 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: this is you're keeping some parts of it. So obviously 136 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: there were some things in Obamacare that members of the 137 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: House GOP didn't totally hate. There are some parts of 138 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: what the House GOP is up to that mimics what 139 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: the Obama administration wanted the first place. And you even 140 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: have Jason Chafits, and he stumbled upon a truth today, 141 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: and much more important truth than I think people realize. 142 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: That goes to the heart of all of this. And 143 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: and he's getting a lot of a lot of heat 144 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: for this. And this is coming on a day when 145 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: they're calling it Obamacare light Ryan Care. A lot of 146 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: conservative opposition to this because it's not what we were promised. 147 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: That's but beneath everything else, whatever they say about this, 148 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: we were not told that would be a multi stage, 149 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: multi layered, tiered process of keeping some parts of it. 150 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: We were told that they would make it so this 151 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: law never existed and they would come up with a 152 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: much better new law based on free market principles that 153 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: would allow for choice and competition and lowered cost and 154 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: individual rules to be in charge. Now here's the problem 155 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: with individuals being in charge. Some individuals make bad choices, 156 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: whether it's buying insurance for their home, their car, whether 157 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: it's saving money. This is when you start to get it. 158 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: You see this a little bit when there's an honest 159 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: discussion of health care savings accounts for example. Okay, well 160 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: are people going to do that if you just because 161 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: you make it more attractive for them and you incentivize 162 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: them to do it. Are are are enough Americans going 163 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: to do it that this will really take care of things? 164 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: Back to Chafe, It's for a moment, because this is 165 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: I think what nobody on either side within the Republican 166 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: Party really wants to talk about. And I've been a 167 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: skeptic for a while, not a skeptic as to how 168 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: bad Obamacare is. I think Obamacare took a bad system 169 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: or a problematic system. People like their healthcare that had it, 170 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: but some people didn't have it. Clearly, costs were going up, 171 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: and it took a system with problems and exacerbated those problems. 172 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: And really all it has to show for that would 173 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: be the high risk coverage of those with pre existing 174 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: conditions for high risk pools. They're they're covered, and the 175 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: expansion of Medicaid in a whole bunch of states, and 176 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: now those people are covered. Although Medicaid is a very 177 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: bad program in terms of the health outcomes because people 178 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: because the states don't have enough control over the way 179 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: that they run Medicaid in their states, and so you 180 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: have doctors that won't take it because the only way 181 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: you control costs is by cutting reimbursements of doctors, and 182 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: doctors that I won't take it. Health health coverage and 183 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: healthcare are not the same thing. This has always been 184 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: a central problem with Obamacare. I can have a little 185 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: piece of paper that says, oh, no, I got your covered, 186 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: bought it, You're good and then I say, Okay, well, 187 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, I got some weird thing on my ear 188 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: that I need someone to look at. It looks like it's, 189 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, a big problem. I need someone to take 190 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: a look at this thing I've got to I don't know, 191 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: in ear rash or something, and I want to go 192 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: see a doctor. Well, if none of the doctors will 193 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: take this little piece of paper, this little car that 194 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: says I'm covered, guess what. It doesn't really do me 195 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: much good? Does it? If I have to travel a 196 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,959 Speaker 1: hundred miles, or if I have to wait thirty days 197 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: or whatever. It may be hard to say that I 198 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: am getting good care. Sure I am quote covered, but 199 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm not getting good care. And here's the other central 200 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: I said. So, the fundamental problem I see with this 201 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: is Republicans have so far overpromised on this and under delivered, 202 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: or rather their GOP House members that are pushing this 203 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: have over And I know Paul Ryan's out there and 204 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: he's telling us it's all gonna be fine and it's great. 205 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: Why does it have to be so complicated? I know 206 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: they'll say, well, Obama, well Obamacare is complicated to do 207 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,479 Speaker 1: deal with a complicated system, and you need a complicated response. 208 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: But that sounds a bit like we're running in circles, 209 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: doesn't it. I wonder what they're gonna say about taxes 210 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: when we say, well, why aren't you just simplifying dramatically 211 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: the tax code. Oh well, there's a lot of a 212 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: lot of nuance now in the tax code, now that 213 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: they've been telling us for years. Oh, I was hearing 214 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: about how I could do taxes on my postcard. Are 215 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: But I digress. Let's focus. Let's stay on healthcare for 216 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: a minute here. Jason Chaffit saying that low income Americans, 217 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: for example, need to make different choices. Can we play 218 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: this sound by please of healthcare? Buying healthcare or not 219 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: instead of just getting a new iPhone? Play it. What 220 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: we want to do is make sure that people have 221 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: access to the quality healthcare that they want. This does 222 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: push it more out of Washington, d c. And back 223 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: to the American people. It does align financial incentives, particularly 224 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: through the health savings accounts. It does limit and cap 225 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: what we're doing with the states, but gives them more 226 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: flexibility with the access for lower income Americans doesn't equal coverage. Well, 227 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: we're getting rid of the individual mandate, We're getting rid 228 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: of those things that people said that they don't want. 229 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: And you know what, Americans have choices, and they've got 230 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: to make a choice. And so maybe rather than getting 231 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: that new iPhone that they just love and they want 232 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: to go spend hundreds of dollars that maybe they should 233 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: invest in their own healthcare. They've got to make those 234 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: decisions themselves. So this is the problem forget about what 235 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: what what CNN whatever her name is, just saying now, 236 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: Jay if it's gets a lot of heat for that, 237 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: and we were on the other side of this breaking 238 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: they'll play the Obama sound bite that's very similar, that 239 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: people need to make different choices, that they need to 240 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: be willing to invest more money in their health care 241 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: than in other than consumer goods. But you see politicians 242 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: on both sides of the aisle are promising something that 243 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 1: I don't think they can deliver. Whether they're explicit about 244 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: this or not, I don't think they can deliver this. 245 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: And I have some of the best people imaginable on 246 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: my show on this show and have had them on 247 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: my shows for years talking about healthcare from the conservative side, 248 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: the the best people from think tanks, those who are 249 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: advising presidential Republican presidential campaigns on this. They can make 250 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: it better, sure and they and they that's obviously good. 251 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: Improvement is something to be happy about. I don't know 252 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: how happy we can get though, when we look at 253 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: the improvement versus what the promise was. If the plan 254 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: here is supposed to be that at the end of 255 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: this we just get back to where we were before Obamacare, 256 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: sure the House will be able to deliver that. If 257 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: the plan here is that we're going to get that 258 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: the American Healthcare Act, which I guess is a pretty 259 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: uninspiring but straightforward name. Um, if it means that, if 260 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: people think that it will mean that perhaps they'll have 261 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: slightly better options in the individual market, great, But if 262 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: they believe that it means that we're going to have 263 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: a system where all Americans, regardless of income level, regardless 264 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: of tax, whether tax credits or some form of subsidy, 265 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: which is just it's all really the same thing, isn't it. 266 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: Without subsidy, without government money, they're gonna be all afford 267 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: plans with why doctor networks where you have low co pays, 268 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: low deductibles, great health care and you're not gonna have 269 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: to pay that much for it. I don't think that's 270 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: true because we haven't expanded the provider side of this 271 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: equation really with much of any of this. So it's 272 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: not like there's a whole lot more doctors out there. 273 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: It's not like there's just this. People say, well, now, Buck, 274 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: if they increase competition, here's part of the problem that 275 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: people make decisions and then don't want to live with 276 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: the results of those decisions. This is a very emotionalized issue. 277 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: People look at this through a different lens than other 278 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: issues like their home or their car. And that is, 279 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: even if you didn't have insurance, a lot of us 280 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: think that it's become a human right for somebody else 281 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: to pay for your health care. Well, if that is 282 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: the perspective, we're never gonna get there. It's just never 283 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: gonna happen. And I worry that we have rosy views 284 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: of what's gonna come once we do this repeal and 285 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: replaced process. All right, I've really got to go into 286 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: a break here. Eight four to five, Bucks, Sex and 287 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: with American Now continue stay with me, Welcome back. Phones 288 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: are open eight four, eight to five. If you've got 289 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: experience dealing with an Obamacare exchange where just you've got 290 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: a healthcare story you want to share with everybody. I 291 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: think today is a good day for us to talk 292 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: about that, because well, the House GOP is not, uh, 293 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: not getting people on the right all that excited about 294 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: their American healthcare plan. By the way, very important from 295 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: Phil Klein of the Washington Examiner. I just saw this here. 296 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: He's reiterating the point I was trying to make about 297 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: Jason Chafitz. Rather, he's making a similar argument. This is 298 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: what he writes in Washington Examiner. H Liberals, in other words, 299 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: have won the central philosophical argument, and Republicans are reduced 300 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: to fighting over the mechanics. And then this is now 301 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: Jim Garritty in reference to that at National Review, writing, 302 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: the liberal argument is somebody else should pay for your 303 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: health care. The conservative argument is that is that you 304 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: should pay for your health care. This GOP version of 305 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: what people are saying that is Obamacare light. It does 306 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: some good things, but it leaves a lot there. Now, 307 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: if they're telling us that they leave it, they're leaving 308 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot there because in time they will restructure the 309 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: whole thing. I guess they're acting for us to give 310 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: them some leeway, all right, maybe maybe I've heard this 311 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: as well that I've been reading with this the steps 312 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: in the program, Okay, they've got a few steps in 313 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: the program so far. What they do with this bill, though, 314 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: and this is a big deal, right, this is there 315 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: are people with jobs in d C right now, and 316 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: I mean elected people because they promised to handle healthcare. 317 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: They promised to repeal and replace Obamacare and interstate competition 318 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: for health insurance plans. No more one size fits all policies. 319 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: You'll be able to buy a plan that you like, 320 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: that's the plan, you can keep it, and you know 321 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: you you go with it from there. But no, now 322 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: they're seeing the political realities are a little tougher than that. 323 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: Oh who could have thought. There's some taxes that are 324 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: repealed in the GLP bill. Rate, there's reductions in spending, Okay, great, 325 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: there are changes to the regulatory screen scheme and they 326 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: are but as I said it, health savings accounts, these 327 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: are all these are positive steps, but it doesn't change 328 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: the fundamental problem, which is that people get their insurance 329 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: primarily through their employer. Employers pay a vast majority of 330 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: the cost of that. Employers have a a tax benefit 331 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: that individuals don't get by providing those plans, and so 332 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: the the original sin, if you will, of our health 333 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: care system when it comes to people buying their plans 334 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: and portability and all the rest of it is untouched 335 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: by this GOP bill. They want to say the original sins, 336 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: the individual edit. No, no, no, we had problems before that. 337 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: So maybe this returns us to status quo pre Obamacare 338 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: and adds a few nice little aspects into it. But 339 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 1: it's still going to cost a lot of money. It 340 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: still leaves a lot of d C making decisions about healthcare, 341 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: and it does not give us, as far as I 342 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: can see, unless they're gonna come out with something else soon, 343 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: the amazing free market. You get to choose healthcare system 344 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: that we were promised. This could be a big problem, everybody. 345 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: We've got more stay with me, Buck Sexton, with America 346 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: now where there is always something to talk about, where 347 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: you can trade opinions with Buck. I'm not sure you'll win, though. 348 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: Just call eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight 349 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: four four two eight to five. All right, Buck, you're on. 350 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody to the freedom hunt. We've been talking 351 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: about healthcare. I can see a lot of calls rolling in. 352 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: You want to talk about healthcare too, obviously it affects 353 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: all of us in this country. But first we are 354 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: joined by our guests on this and other issues. We've 355 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: got Rich Lowry on the line. He is editor of 356 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: the National Review. He's also syndicated columnist, and a comment 357 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: later on Fox News, Rich, Great to have you, Hi, Bucks, 358 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. All right, let's let's just get 359 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: into it with Obamacare first here, what do you think 360 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: about this American Healthcare Act bill so far? I know 361 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: it's not done deal. I know there's some phases and 362 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: steps we've been talking about, but as step one, what 363 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Well, it's landed with a big thud today. 364 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: The word a week or two ago is that Paul 365 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: Ryan was going to be Paul Ryan and put out 366 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: a bill that he thought was substantively the right one 367 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: and then just let the political chips fall where they may. 368 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: But this thing is a bit of a substantive mess 369 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: and seems to reflect Republicans negotiating with themselves before any 370 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: real real negotiation begins. So I think at that level 371 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: it's it's disappointing. It would have been better to have 372 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: something that was more cogent and principled. And then you know, 373 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: when you get into the Senate or you get into 374 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: the Senate House conference, you know it what inevit will 375 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: be become less from there. But we're starting from a 376 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: place that's not not very not great. And it seems 377 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: to me like the House geopen and they've had a 378 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: lot of time. I don't want to hear about how 379 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: it's so early, as though they all just showed up 380 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,120 Speaker 1: and this thing called Obamacare was dropped in their elapse. 381 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: When when Donald Trump, you know, swore on the Bible 382 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: and said he's going to be the commander in chief 383 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: and everything else. They've been talking about this now four 384 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: years and they are supposed to be ready to go. 385 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: I thought that we were voting for these people, that 386 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: people that at least have voted for Republicans believe that 387 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: they'd be able to more or less, you know, open 388 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: up the playbook and say execute. Instead, what we have 389 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: here looks like an inability to even prepare the ground, 390 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: to to preheat the oven, whichever, you know, whichever way 391 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: we want to describe it to get people on the 392 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: same page. I mean the American people, because right now 393 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: the story is all, there's descent among Republicans, just like 394 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: that chaotic, anarchic White House that can't get its act together. 395 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: Republicans on the hill they're fighting. That's not helpful. Yeah, well, 396 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: a couple of things happened. One is, they did have 397 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: a consensus on a repeal bill that they passed last 398 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: year and got to President Obama's desk for a rote veto, 399 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: But it was only a partial repeal bill because they 400 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: had to do it through the so called reconciliation process, 401 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: which means you can't get at the regulations that are 402 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: really at the heart of the thing. So one, you know, 403 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: they're all on record supporting that, but when it came 404 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: to this year and they realized they were firing with 405 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: real bullets, you had a lot of cold feet over 406 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: that piece of legislation too, and I think this was 407 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: the right call. But President Trump prodded them to do 408 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: repeal and in place at the same time. And although 409 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: have been various replacement plans. Tom Price had one, Paul 410 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: Ryan had one. You know, every conservative healthcare want where 411 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: its assault, has his own replacement plan, there was never 412 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: a consensus on any of them. So now in a 413 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: real high pressure environment where you know, it really matters. 414 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: They cobbled this thing together in secret, and they want 415 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: to rush it because they want to have, you know, 416 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: an early success, and they realize or their calculation is 417 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: that every day that passes it gets harder rather than easier, 418 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: because you lose a little political momentum. So I think 419 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: this shows that the lack of consensus going in and 420 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: just hammering it out under pressure and the product again 421 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: is just not great. What are some of the key 422 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: deficiencies at this stage as you see them? I know 423 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: you've got uh, Donald Trump tweeting out which to take 424 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: that for whatever one thinks it is worth either way, 425 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: don't worry. Getting rid of state lines, which will promote competition, 426 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: will be in phase two and three of healthcare rollout. Um, well, 427 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: clearly it's not in phase one. So that's a problem. 428 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: What other problems do you see? Well, yeah, first of all, 429 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: it's not clear what phase two and phase three are 430 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: except for in that is there a phase two in 431 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: the or is that just like in the future. Yeah, 432 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: So the problem is they have to do it through 433 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: this reconciliation process, which is only meant just for fiscal matters, 434 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: So things that don't have a direct fiscal effect, like 435 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: regulations like you know, letting people buy insurance over stay lines. 436 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: Arguably you can't get in there, so that's not in there. 437 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: The the two core regulations that really make up the 438 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: heart of Obamacare, so called guaranteed issue and community rating, 439 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: are both still in this bill, and that is what 440 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: really creates the need for the individual mandate in Obamacare. 441 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: They're repealing the individual mandate, as they should, because it's 442 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: unconstitutional and it's it's unpopular, and it's coercive. But if 443 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: you if you have community rating and guaranteed issue, which 444 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: basically means you cannot have health insurance, wait until you 445 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: get sick, and then buy health insurance, you know, at 446 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: the same prices as everyone else. You need to create 447 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: some incentive for people to buy health insurance while they're healthy, 448 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: or the exchange has become economically unsustainable, so instead they 449 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: have this this surcharge where you cannot have insurance and 450 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: then buy it with a thirty percent surcharge the first year. Now, 451 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: if you are a young, healthy person and god forbid, 452 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: come down with some you know, you know, leukemia or 453 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: something that you're gonna have to fight for several years, 454 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: it involves the very expensive drugs you can buy health insurance, 455 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: just have this thirty percent charge, and then you have 456 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: a wonderful deal because you have health insurance the same 457 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: price as everyone else, even though you didn't play by 458 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: the rules and you wait until you got sick. So 459 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: this actually might make the Obahamacare exchanges the individual market 460 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: even more unstable than it is today. And I have 461 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: to say I'm concerned, and uh, you're Jim Garritty, who 462 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: also writes a Natural Review, was sharing some thoughts on 463 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: Twitter and on the Corner, and I agree. I've been 464 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: saying this for a while. I worry that the perception 465 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: does not match up with the reality of what healthcare 466 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: will be, even post Obamacare, even if we repealed and 467 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: replaced based on the most conservative principles that you love 468 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: established so far. I think that the same way that 469 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: everyone kind of knows that the entitlement state in this 470 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: country as it stands, at least with Medicare and Social 471 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: Security is unsustainable, but nobody it's not an argument anybody 472 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: wants to have right now. Maybe it will come back 473 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: that there's a growing sense that everyone wants somebody else 474 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: to pay for their healthcare, that that this is really 475 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: forget about the details of the bill as it stands 476 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: right now, and even some of the deficiencies that might 477 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: exist after Trump's purported phase two and three. Rich I 478 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: worry that people believe that they're going to be able 479 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 1: to buy an insurance plan for themselves that is almost 480 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: entirely subsidized, as most healthcare plans you get from your 481 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: employer are. They have great doctor networks that have low 482 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: costs and low deductibles, and someone else will pay for it. 483 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: That's I don't see how that works. I think that 484 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: there's a little bit of people, a little pie in 485 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: the sky here. Yeah, you know, if we're starting from scratch, 486 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: a rational system wouldn't have the subsidies from player plans. Um. 487 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: Because what Republicans are doing now is saying, well, if 488 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: you're subsidizing employer plans and we can't take that away 489 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: because it would be so disruptive, then is it not fair? 490 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: Is you know, it's unfair not to have a subsidize 491 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: for individuals, which is a text credit, so they end 492 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: up subsidizing everyone. UM one and two. We have this 493 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: crazy system where people they expect insurance to pay for 494 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: a band aid you know, if you have a scratch 495 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: on your elbow, insurance should pay for that. If you 496 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: go for a routine checkup, insurance should pay for that. 497 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: The whole reason we have insurance is to protect us 498 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: from catastrophic events. This is the key point. We just 499 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: want to drop in because I think there's a there's 500 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: a belief that's when I'm the twenty dollar co pay 501 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: that even if we fixed all this, if if individual 502 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: healthcare was free market for a lot of people, that 503 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: would mean, you know, up to the I don't know 504 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: what the numbers are, but just theory, up to the 505 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: first five thousand dollars of medical expenses in any given year. 506 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: Maybe it's the first three thousand, maybe it's the first ten. 507 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, that's coming out of your pocket, because otherwise, 508 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: if people just pay for all of your health care 509 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: or greatly subsidized it, it's too expensive. Not everybody can 510 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: have that. Correct um. So this is what insurance would be. 511 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: But we've all all grown used to um the system now, which, 512 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: as you put it, it's just someone else paying for 513 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: your routine healthcare. And that's a crazy system. Yeah, well, 514 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: I I wonder if it's going to be when people 515 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: see what the reform really looks like. I do believe 516 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: that it will be better than what we've got over Obamacare, 517 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: which I don't want to put that down because you know, 518 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: progresses is good, improvement is good. But this that the 519 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: promises that have been made that we're gonna have this 520 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: almost like free market utopia and healthcare. And maybe that's 521 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: overstanding a little bit, but not too much when you 522 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: listen to what some of the senators and Republican congressman 523 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: I've been saying here, I think there's gonna be a 524 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of disappointed folks out there because deductibles are you know, 525 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: insurance is ultimately about risk, and if you take risk 526 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: out of it, meaning people who are old and sick 527 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: and people who have prexising conditions, none of that matters. 528 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: Well now, it's just an elaborate system of cross subsidies 529 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: between people, and eventually somebody's left. You know, the music 530 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: stops and you don't have a chair. But that's my 531 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: that's my spiel on that for right now. I also 532 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: want to ask you about I see this here, this near, 533 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: and dear to my heart, rich you are going up 534 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,239 Speaker 1: into the lions Den. Is this tomorrow? Night. You're going 535 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: to my alma mater, Amer's College. I didn't know your 536 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: what what? What's the school mascot? It is unofficially the 537 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: Lord Jeff, but he was he was a symbol of 538 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: racist patriarchy and the destruction of vative American people's. So 539 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: he's not as popular as he used to be. But 540 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: you're going up there, are you aware that the politics 541 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: at Amer's College are not that different than Middlebury where 542 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: there's been some issues. I'm hoping to fly under the 543 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: radar screen. Okay, what anyone listening who is not a conservative, 544 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: don't show up and pick it rich Lord Hammer's tomorrow 545 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: night that year the product of Amher. So it just 546 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: just goes to actually, going to a very liberal school 547 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: is good for conservatives because you you you learn to 548 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: have a thick skin. You learned to be able to 549 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: defend what you believe and if you can run through 550 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: that fire and nothing's gonna stuff. Yeah, it's it's like 551 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: the equivalent of conservative fight club. I mean, you know, 552 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: you're you're just throwing down all the time, so you 553 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: get you get used to it, you learn how to 554 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: take a punch. Ideologically speaking, in amors, although these days 555 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,719 Speaker 1: it's more than ideological. Unfortunately, there's people are getting out 556 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: of control with all this stuff. Rich what's your latest 557 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: piece this week, we're going to tell people to go Well, 558 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: it's actually about Middleberry Um where it's just I think 559 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: that the root of the problem on campuses now is 560 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: this idea that speech is a physical threat to people. 561 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: So kind of the defensive mechanism there is you have 562 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: to go to a safe space, you have to flee 563 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: speech speech. But unfortunately there's also this kind of offensive 564 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: idea that you get to shout down or actually physically 565 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: attack a speaker because if he says things that are 566 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: they're unwelcome or discompanying to you, that's a physical assault 567 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: on you. So you're justified. Has happened in Middlebury last week, 568 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: pulling the hair of a faculty member, banging on the 569 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 1: car of the guest speaker, trying to you know, obstruct 570 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: the car from going anywhere, and generally literally chasing him 571 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: out of town. Yeah, they they hurt the female professor 572 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: who was escorting Charles Murray out, who was at the event, 573 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: in part to refute what he said something like exactly, 574 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: you're you're not even safe if you're on the crazy team. Yeah, 575 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: these these poor students who are involved in this American 576 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute chapter at Middlebury who invited Charles Murray, who 577 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: was at the American Enterprise Institute. Their invitation for this 578 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: event was called literally an invitation to argue. And how 579 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: naive that they actually thought, you know, these a so 580 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: called adults would be willing to actually argue reasonably and 581 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: rationally over things they might disagree about. Found depress one 582 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: of the grosser things I've seen, and there's a lot 583 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: to choose from. With a major newspaper recently was I 584 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: think it was in the Washington Post. They referred to 585 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: Charles Murray and just the description of this event as 586 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: someone well described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as 587 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: a white supremacist, right. I think the eight he said 588 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: in its lead considered, you know, a white what does 589 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: that mean? Not by any rational human being? But anyway, Rich, 590 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: we gotta leave it there. Rich is the editor of 591 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: National Review. Everybody check out his latest his columns, and uh, 592 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: if you're a conservative and you're in the Ammier Starya tomorrow, 593 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: I go check it out. And Rich Antonio's pizza you'll 594 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: thank you later. Check it out. And thanks so much. Absolutely, 595 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: please do all right, everybody will be back right after 596 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: the break. All right, team Buck, welcome back to the Freedom. 597 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: How we're talking healthcare. Got a lot of you want 598 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: to talk about it, So let's do it. Eight four 599 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: four n eight to five on the lines. Uh, we 600 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: have here is we have Dan in North Carolina on 601 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: w p T. I go, Dan, what's up? Well, thank 602 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: you for taking my call. Buck, Thank you. Yeah, you 603 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: hit it earlier in your program. It's a big, big deal. 604 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: And trying to figure this all out, it's gonna be 605 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: tough for anybody. And it's the same President tul tried 606 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: to replace it or is trying to replace it. I 607 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: understand why and all and we all understand the reasons why. 608 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: But the big thing is you're not gonna get all 609 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: your You won't get all the apples in the same 610 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: cardinal matter what we do, there's there's no way we 611 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: can please everybody with healthcare. And just like with the 612 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: insurance lobby, I'm sure they've been working double over time 613 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: since November nine in between the insurance lobby and the government. 614 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's a it's we're really having 615 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: a tough time with it, and we all know why. 616 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: And I just my personal experience with it been is 617 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: as long as I was working, I had good health coverage. 618 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: And that's what insurance was always described to me, especially 619 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: the metical insurance was the bigger the group, the better 620 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: the rates, and the better the care, and and that 621 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: way it gets spread out among everybody, you know. I 622 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: I went from den I went from being a federal 623 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: government employee to briefly being a local municipal government employee. 624 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: And that with that, let me tell you that was 625 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: an education and the differences that you could see between 626 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: one plan another. You know, I was look, I was. 627 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: It was my first job out of college was a 628 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: c I A. I was used to. You know, you 629 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: go in, go and whatever doctor I wanted to see. 630 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: It was like, oh right, this way, sir. And by 631 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: the way, this is what you know, Congress, And they 632 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: all have this awesome federal healthcare right they have, you know, 633 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: whether it was federal blue cross, blue shield or what. 634 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: They've got a big provider, a great gold plated plan. 635 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: And anyone you want to see, you go see, you 636 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: pay fifteen or twenty bucks maybe for the visit. You know, 637 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: that's it uh, you leave that system and you go 638 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: to as you pointed out, something that's smaller, has has 639 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: less money, less clout, and now all of a sudden, 640 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: you find yourself none of the doctors you want to 641 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: see will take it. And you know, you get a prescription. 642 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: You think it's a pretty normal prescription, and instead of 643 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: paying you know, ten or twenty bucks, you're paying three 644 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: hundred or five hundred dollars. I mean, this is normal. 645 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: This is what happens to people. That's that's the other thing. 646 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: I mean. I was working as a teamster drive for 647 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: a trucking company, knocking off a hundred thousand a year. 648 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: My wife got diagnosed with MS, and there wasn't anything 649 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: about a pre existing condition ever, said she she immediately, 650 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: I mean she went right on the well, she was 651 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: already on the plan. But I never got any letters 652 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: trying to kick her off or anything like that. And 653 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: then after researching it, there was a federal law that 654 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: said if you belong to a group plan and someone 655 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: come up with a catastrophic illness or injury, they had 656 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: to cover it, just like with the emergency room bill. 657 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: And you know laws that have been in place. So 658 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: we had some good things in place long before Obamacare, 659 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: but now it's gone so far and so far the 660 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: other way. I'm yeah, Well, it's about reforming the individual 661 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: market and that's really the bell weather because that takes 662 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: so much stress off people. And also, thank you Dan 663 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: for calling from North Carolina. Shieldsy. You know my my generation, 664 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm i referred as a gray beard millennial. I'm I'm 665 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: I'm about as old as you can be and still 666 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: technically qualify for for millennial status. Um, but there's so 667 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 1: many that are my age and lower who are moving 668 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: around to different jobs. And you leave, you lose one plan, 669 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: you get another plan, maybe you're in between plans for 670 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 1: a while, and it's just nonsense. You know, this shouldn't 671 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: be the way that it is. That shouldn't be all. 672 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: We'll do any to get Cobra and all this other 673 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: junk that comes up. Barry in Virginia on w p 674 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: T I, what's up, Barry? Hey? How are you good? Sir? 675 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: Thank you? So I'm one of those guys that lost 676 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: the opportunity to buy affordable health care. My health care 677 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 1: double actually went from my wife and iland the same plan. 678 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: I'm sixty years old or on a our equipment store 679 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: at Martin Zilla hu kN and uh. It went from 680 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: thirteen hundred and sixty nine dollars to nineteen hundred nineteen 681 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month. That was a month, and I 682 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: actually just got the way. I couldn't hardly afford word 683 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: to pay it. So it's it's double and the six 684 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars deductible. And also I had some other issues 685 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: for the toe pays went up and I'm sitting here 686 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: still white on something good. Yeah, Barry, I hear you. 687 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: It's a mess, and I and I feel the same thing. 688 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: It keeps getting more expensive, you get, it keeps getting 689 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: worse everything else. Thank you Barry for calling in. Sorry 690 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: to hear about the trouble you're having, but I appreciate 691 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: you sharing it with all of us. You know, everything 692 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: else gets cheaper. I mean, I've got an iPhone now 693 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: that can pretty much run my life, which you know 694 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: that's a whole separate story. But you carry all this 695 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: computing power in your pocket. That's getting cheaper all the time. 696 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: But you know, the same m R I you've been 697 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: getting since the seventies, that's gotta cost like three thousand 698 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 1: bucks out of pocket more coming up, Buck Sexton with 699 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: America now where there is always something to talk about 700 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: where you can trade opinions with Buck. I'm not sure 701 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,479 Speaker 1: you'll win, though. Just call eight four four nine hundred Buck. 702 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: That's eight four four nine hundred two, eight to five. 703 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: All right, you're on. Welcome back to the Freedom Huts. 704 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: So I've mentioned before that I'm a former CIA officer, 705 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 1: and so that bears on some of my thinking, certainly 706 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: about foreign policy issues, but also it's an experience that 707 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: can be valuable in deciphering what's going on in the 708 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: news cycle. And I'm I'm getting a lot of questions. 709 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: In fact, um I did a couple of interviews earlier 710 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 1: today and have been talking mostly about the wire tapping 711 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: allegations that Donald Trump put out there against well, the 712 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: Obama administration, but he did specifically said Obama himself. I 713 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: think I think we are allowed to give Trump the 714 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt there that he meant the Obama 715 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: administration and not necessarily Obama personally, although maybe not I 716 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: don't know. And I have my concerns that now you 717 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,839 Speaker 1: have the commander in chief saying that he will push 718 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: or an investigation of this via Congress when it would 719 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: seem to me that he should be able to get 720 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: an answer from the FBI, the d o J, or 721 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: any other entity that he wishes to ask a question to. UM. So, 722 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: as follow up to that yesterday, I'm unconvinced right now 723 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: that the administration's position on this is going to be 724 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: uh particularly well. Much of this will work out well 725 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: for them in terms of where the media is going 726 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: to cover this, of course, but also I don't think 727 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: they're going to get any answers via Congress because any 728 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: answer that the Congress could get you would assume that 729 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: the President should be able to get himself. They are 730 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: resisting requests for a special prosecutor, which the Democrats of 731 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: course really want because, as you know, a special prosecutor 732 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,479 Speaker 1: now is is all is already an admission of something 733 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: in many people's minds. Right, you need to get the 734 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: special prosecutor in place, because once you do that, well 735 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: now you can talk about all of there's a special 736 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 1: it is a serious issue. It was a special prosecutor 737 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: on this. The other are of the special prosecutor Sarah 738 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: ptists gatherings, Yeah, yeah, we're we're aware of that for sure. 739 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: Um And look at the havoc. That was the havoc 740 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: that was created by the special prosecutor in the plane 741 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: leak case from the Bush administration what was his name, 742 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 1: Fitzgerald running around interviewing people, and oh, what a what 743 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: a blow for democracy was struck by the charges of 744 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: perjury and obstruction against Scooter Libyan. What a what a 745 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: preposterous miscarriage of justice that was Bush commuted his sentence, 746 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: should have pardoned him. But President Bush, a good man, 747 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: I think, had been very much beaten down by the 748 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: end of his presidency and just didn't I believe Cheney, 749 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: who came out publicly on this one, I believe he's right. 750 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: Bush just didn't want to take the heat. It just 751 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: had enough, all of the all of the psychological and 752 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: emotional toll of being the commander in chief through two 753 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: wars and most of his presidency. He just didn't have 754 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: it anymore. He just didn't didn't want to fight, didn't 755 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: want to deal with it. And I think that was 756 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: a mistake. I think that was wrong, But I I 757 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: understand we all have Look, we all have our breaking point, 758 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: we all have our weaknesses. But the administration says that 759 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: they want to get answers on this, they're going to 760 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: push for some means of investigation via the Congress of 761 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: wire tapping, which there's only there's really only two options. 762 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: This is a follow up to yesterday's conversation. But either 763 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: press reports that were accepted as true were inaccurate, and 764 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: therefore I think you could claim fake news or at 765 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: least false news. I like to say false news because 766 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: fake news, people say, is when you create something entirely 767 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: for the purpose of misleading and uh and lying. Um, 768 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: that's what fake news is. False news is when you 769 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: put something out there that's completely inaccurate, but maybe you 770 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: did it with good intentions. I I say this false 771 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: news thing, I don't hear anyone else saying it, But 772 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: that's it's it's a variation on fake news, or another 773 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: way of describing a new story, where, for example, if 774 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: I run a story and my central source turns out 775 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 1: to be a complete fabrication and I have to issue 776 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: a retraction, I may have in good faith published that story, 777 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: even if I went through some of the journalistic checks, 778 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: but if I have to retract the centerpiece of it 779 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,439 Speaker 1: and say, well, the without this guy or the girl 780 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: or whoever is my source, there's no story, that's false news. Right, 781 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: we could all agree on that. Maybe my intent wasn't bad, 782 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: but the outcome is the same. So either those news 783 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: stories that came out about surveillance of Trump associates were 784 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: false news, maybe they were even fake news. But that's 785 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: I can't prove that, right. I can't prove that the 786 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: New York Times would run stories like that, but they 787 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: serve the purpose at the time of adding to this 788 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,720 Speaker 1: narrative for which there's still zero evidence. And I await 789 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: the evidence, not the conjecture, not the insinuation, not the 790 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, just sort of dancing around the subject. And no, no, 791 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: I oh wait, somebody telling me where there's a bit 792 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: of hard evidence to look at that can tell us 793 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: all that there was something really amiss here, that Trump 794 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: did something egregious, or some one of his top advisors, 795 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: that the campaign in some capacity it's something egregiously wrong. 796 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: And also was it criminal or not, which would weigh 797 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 1: in here too. If the Russians did what they did 798 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: and they just told Trump that we've got a plan 799 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,919 Speaker 1: in the works, don't worry about it, but we're gonna 800 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: try to help you out. Whether Trump says, you know, okay, 801 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: or whether he says no, don't do that doesn't really matter, 802 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: does it. He hasn't broken any law unless he was 803 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: part of that effort, which would just be crazy. By 804 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: the way, this wasn't even a good way to try 805 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: to throw the election. That's what I find so interesting 806 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 1: about the the theory. This isn't this isn't even an 807 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: effective means of of helping Trump way, And I don't 808 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I know that this is something you can 809 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: never prove in uh, in hindsight, but I don't think 810 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: that it was enough on its own to have any way. 811 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: I just don't believe it, and I don't think anybody 812 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: could prove otherwise. Okay, So that's my follow up to 813 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: some of our discussion yesterday. Either the news that they 814 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: put out there was false news, or there's something that 815 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 1: is true here, or there was some surveillance though, and 816 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,799 Speaker 1: if there was, we we should know about that, if 817 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: the opposition party was, whether it was under a criminal 818 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: wire tap or something else the Trump administration wants to 819 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: find out. We're just trying to get at the facts here, everybody. 820 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: But keep in mind that when the when it was 821 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: damaging to Trump, the stories were unquestioned and now that 822 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,839 Speaker 1: it looks like some aspect of those stories could uh 823 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: have a boomerang effect and hurt the previous administration. Now 824 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: we're told, oh well that those you can't just you 825 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: can't just take those stories to the can't take that 826 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,440 Speaker 1: to the bank. Oh well, that's kind of new, isn't it, 827 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: speaking of stories you can't take the bank. And let 828 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: let me make sure that I I preface this properly. 829 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: Less any of my former friends or colleagues from from 830 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: Langley happen to be listening, which is definitely the case 831 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,879 Speaker 1: a lot of the time it has been the case 832 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: in the past. I don't know anything about I don't 833 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,719 Speaker 1: have any inside knowledge or any classified insight, and if 834 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: I did, I certainly wouldn't offer and I wouldn't admit 835 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: it about anything that's been released in the last twenty 836 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: four hours by wiki leaks, I don't. I don't know 837 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: any about this alleged cyber center. I got nothing on 838 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: any of that from the class And I don't know 839 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: if these documents are real or not, and I can 840 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 1: neither confirm nor deny. I really can't confirm. I don't 841 00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,600 Speaker 1: know anything about them. All I know is the media 842 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: the press descriptions of them, and I have a few 843 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: thoughts on that that I want to share with you. 844 00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: First of all, uh wiki leaks, I'm I'm I'm a 845 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,240 Speaker 1: little annoyed here because I think wiki leaks has gotten 846 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: far too much play and credibility from some on the 847 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,919 Speaker 1: right recently. And look, people allowed to make their own 848 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 1: judgments and their own distinctions about whether they believe a 849 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: source for information. And I'm not just talking about what 850 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,560 Speaker 1: this this alleged uh these trove, this is the New 851 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: York Times headline trove of alleged CIA hacking documents. I'm 852 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: not talking about that. I'm talking about before that that 853 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: I had some conservatives, some of whom I really like 854 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: and respect a lot, seem to give all this credibility 855 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: to wiki leaks, which we all understand, right, sometimes your 856 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: your interest can be aligned with very bad people. That's 857 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: a real thing that can happen. This is where somebody goes, yes, Buck, 858 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: like we fought with the Soviets against the Nazis, right, 859 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: sometimes that does happen. And perhaps if you were viewing 860 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 1: the releases from wiki leaks that hurt Hillary Clinton, you're 861 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: willing to say, well, you know, I don't think it 862 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: hurt very much. But nonetheless, I think a lot of 863 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: people on the right, for a while, we're much more 864 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: willing to turn a blind idea what Wiki leaks has 865 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: done in the past with for example, the Chelsea Manning releases, 866 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: that there was no there was no whistle blowing there. 867 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean, releasing classified documents from the US military and 868 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,880 Speaker 1: from diplomatic channels just so everybody can see them, just 869 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,320 Speaker 1: cause that's not whistle blowing. That's betraying your country. That's 870 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: committing an active of espionage and and willfully doing it 871 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,279 Speaker 1: many many, many times over. And WikiLeaks was a part 872 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: of that. WikiLeaks, somehow never has very interesting transparency documents 873 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: to show us about. Well, certainly not the Russians, a 874 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: kleptocracy run by Vladimir Putin. Certainly not. I haven't seen 875 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: anything about the Chinese. I haven't seen anything really about 876 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,759 Speaker 1: anybody other than America and maybe some European countries. That's 877 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: that those always seem to be the targets of WikiLeaks. 878 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,760 Speaker 1: You have to ask the question, so of all the tyrannies, 879 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 1: of all the UH status regimes in the world, this 880 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,120 Speaker 1: transparency organization seems to want to pick on the country that, 881 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: while imperfect, has a near obsession with at least the 882 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,239 Speaker 1: public has in your obsession with achieving transparency for its 883 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,920 Speaker 1: voters and for its citizens, its people. So I do 884 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: think that you have to look at the realities of 885 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: the targets set that Wiki Leaks has chosen the past 886 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 1: and say that this is an organization with an agenda. Now, 887 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure if Julian Assange we're able to get on 888 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: a line with us right now, which he is not, 889 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: he would say that they've never you know that, in 890 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 1: the past, he would take the climb they've never released 891 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,320 Speaker 1: anything that'st fake. Well, all I can say about this 892 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 1: latest release is that again I don't know if any 893 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 1: and you know what, I'm not even going to look 894 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: at the documents because based on what the media is 895 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 1: saying they are, I don't even want to. And I 896 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: know they're out there, but I don't want to know. 897 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to taint my 898 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: ability to analyze and speak to all of you by 899 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,239 Speaker 1: perhaps having crossover with something that shouldn't be out there. 900 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: Even if it is out there, I don't I don't 901 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: want to have that to be part of my discussion. 902 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: But if it is what they say it is, and 903 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: certainly the New York Times is reporting on it and 904 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: seems to be the New York Times is giving it 905 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: a good amount of credence and credibility, what purpose would 906 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: it serve? Radical transparency that undermines that, that would undermine 907 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: the United States is not something that I think my 908 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: fellow Americans should be excited about when you look at 909 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: what they're saying they are doing here, which would be 910 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:31,560 Speaker 1: exposing very sensitive programs, are very sensitive tools to get 911 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,880 Speaker 1: into different programs. Well, why is now this is out there? For? 912 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: If they are real documents, it's out there, and they've 913 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: said that's all this code, thousands of pages of documents 914 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: and it's on the internet. Anybody can can read through them. 915 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: This is helpful. How how does this make Americans? How 916 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: does it make anybody freer or better off? No, I 917 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: would think that this is a cyber If these documents 918 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: are true, I would think that we could view these 919 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: as a cyber catastrophe. And it's so utterly reckless to 920 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,279 Speaker 1: put this kind of information out there for anyone to see. 921 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 1: They all, I know, we'll take the position of ah, well, again, 922 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: if this stuff is ever authenticate, and there's so much 923 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,920 Speaker 1: of it they've even said they haven't This is from 924 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,880 Speaker 1: Weekly they said, we haven't even authenticate at all, but 925 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: we don't know. And the timing of this, as some 926 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,920 Speaker 1: have pointed out about how this could tie into surveillance 927 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,280 Speaker 1: and the surveillance state and the deep state, the timing 928 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: of this is interesting. I would say that they released 929 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,760 Speaker 1: this now, but this is the kind of information again 930 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,280 Speaker 1: without getting into details about it, without confirming and denying 931 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: any of it, and without having any prior knowledge from 932 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,800 Speaker 1: my time in government of how a alleged cyber center 933 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: and its tools functions. I did Middle East counterinsurgency, basically 934 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: helping out helping out U. S. Mill In in a 935 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: rock and Afghanistan. That's that's my skill, said, I was 936 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: not doing any of this other stuff that they're writing about, 937 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,520 Speaker 1: whether it's true or not in these documents. But how 938 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: could this help anybody other than enemies of the United States, 939 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,200 Speaker 1: other than rogue elements in uh evil regimes around the 940 00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:21,000 Speaker 1: world or there the regimes themselves. Then hackers who want 941 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: to use this now to target individual citizens for criminal 942 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: profit of it. How could this help anybody? Um and 943 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,759 Speaker 1: I just don't understand why there's been and I have 944 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 1: to say there have been some who have been very 945 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: friendly to wiki leaks recently on the right, conservatives who 946 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: I know love this country and I I just for me, 947 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,320 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Their ties to wiki leaks and 948 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: Julian Osan just ties to Russian intelligence are long standing 949 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:54,120 Speaker 1: in the press written about and why would you trust 950 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: this group that only ever manages to find fault by 951 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: exposing U S secrets in the past and whatever this 952 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,960 Speaker 1: is that they've done the last twenty four hours, um, 953 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: And it could be we'll see. We're still waiting for 954 00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,440 Speaker 1: the authentication to come out, and maybe maybe they'll never 955 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: have a public authentication of any of this, I don't know, 956 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: but also at least conceivably a damage assessment. I mean, 957 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,200 Speaker 1: Wiki leaks has done a lot of damage the US 958 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 1: national scurity in the past. Is this another instance of 959 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: that where it depends on other stuff? Is real or not? 960 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: But it's uh, it's very disheartening, all right, Um, eight 961 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,080 Speaker 1: four eight to five bucks. Ext in with America now 962 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,080 Speaker 1: has a lot more in the tank, So stay with me. 963 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Freedom Hunt. Everybody. Richard in West 964 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: Virginia w BUV. What is up, sir? Well the word WUV? 965 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,040 Speaker 1: Where's that? Oh? I thought that was your radio station. 966 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,640 Speaker 1: We might have gotten that one wrong. Pardon me, sir, 967 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: go ahead. Oh w w A, pardon me, pardon me 968 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,120 Speaker 1: w w v A. My my apologies and warm thanks 969 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,879 Speaker 1: for carrying the shows you were saying, sir, Well, well, 970 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,759 Speaker 1: I was sorry. I want to talk about healthcare, but 971 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,319 Speaker 1: I just want to say, for nothing else I ever 972 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,800 Speaker 1: learned from your show. I heard you say that c 973 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,919 Speaker 1: I A are not agents or officers, So I learned 974 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: something there. All these years I thought they were called agents. Yeah, 975 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: they're actually at CEI. Often anyone who tells you they 976 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 1: were CIA agent is probably either lying or just doesn't 977 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. That's what I've heard forever 978 00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,359 Speaker 1: until I listened to you or so, And I hope 979 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: that's because you got a bona fide c I officer, 980 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: former CI officer talking to you. Now, all right, that's 981 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,959 Speaker 1: a good thing here. And the one thing you paid 982 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 1: that one song you paid. One of my favorite songs 983 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: from the show first started a spring Forth server spoon. 984 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,279 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I made a Mary Poppins reference, which that's 985 00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,600 Speaker 1: an unusual one for me, but it's you know, you 986 00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,399 Speaker 1: gotta be on your toes in the Freedom Hunt. Any 987 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,680 Speaker 1: anything can fly your way. I love that song. I 988 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,759 Speaker 1: mean suf So, Richard, you want to talk to us 989 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,880 Speaker 1: about healthcare, we could do we could do move on Friday. 990 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna do action movie quote Friday, so maybe there's 991 00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: a good time to tell you all about that. That's 992 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,719 Speaker 1: where anyone who's listening can call in and on the 993 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,279 Speaker 1: spot throw an action movie quote at me and we'll 994 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,200 Speaker 1: see if I get the movie. It's a fun little 995 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: game we do. It's brings us back to the greatest 996 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,800 Speaker 1: action movies the eighties, like die Hard and Terminator and 997 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,640 Speaker 1: Commando and all the rest of them. But Richard, what 998 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,319 Speaker 1: do you want to say about healthcare? And I think 999 00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,239 Speaker 1: it was nineteen nine and one ill equipment job and 1000 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,760 Speaker 1: they were talked about all that care and the sentence 1001 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,000 Speaker 1: then s long ago. I can't remember what it was, 1002 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: but all I know is I think it goes like 1003 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,239 Speaker 1: six months that you could be on your employers insurance 1004 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 1: and then you have to pay for your own. It 1005 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: was cost to me five hundred dollars a month for UH. 1006 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: I actually was on disability. So it cost me. There's 1007 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,640 Speaker 1: all my disability to pay for pay for that because 1008 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 1: of this so called pre existing condition, and I still 1009 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,560 Speaker 1: have it. It's called sleep drop me and I have. 1010 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 1: They called out a pre existing condition, and I don't know. 1011 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just, uh, it was dad news 1012 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,320 Speaker 1: took almost everything I had to pay for it. I 1013 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,919 Speaker 1: didn't want to pay for it. I actually didn't quick 1014 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,040 Speaker 1: playing for it after a while because just cost too much. 1015 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,839 Speaker 1: And I was lucky that I didn't have the kind 1016 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: of problems that I do now, because if I did, 1017 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 1: I'd have really been so. But you've been through it then, 1018 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,680 Speaker 1: dealing with healthcare providers and being on different plans, I assume, 1019 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: and trying to figure out what's gonna pay for what 1020 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: and who's got to pay for what and all the 1021 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: rest of it. No, it's Richard, it's really it's really complicated. 1022 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,839 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling in from West Virginia. I appreciate that. Um. Look, 1023 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,279 Speaker 1: I've I've been I've been somebody who has had good 1024 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 1: health care, meaning a good plan. I've been somebody who's 1025 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,520 Speaker 1: had a really, in my opinion, substandard plan. And I've 1026 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,000 Speaker 1: also been an adult with the no plan. Uh, and 1027 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: you you it's a it's very interesting when you have 1028 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: to go through the health care system, and all of 1029 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: a sudden, when you don't have health when you don't 1030 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,800 Speaker 1: have a plan at all, you really pay attention to 1031 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,680 Speaker 1: costs and what you're build. And now all of a sudden, 1032 00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: the notion of going in to see a doctor because 1033 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: you have strep throat or something and you just want 1034 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: them to write you a prescription for us, you know, 1035 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,000 Speaker 1: a Z pack or whatever. And you know here in 1036 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,400 Speaker 1: New York City, I don't know what it depends on 1037 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 1: wherever you are, but you know, I'll charge you five 1038 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,040 Speaker 1: for a five minute visit. And you're like, well, what 1039 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,800 Speaker 1: is that all about? How how can that be? What 1040 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,759 Speaker 1: this costs people with a healthcare plan. They're charging the 1041 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,719 Speaker 1: insured two hundred and you're picking up twenty bucks of that. 1042 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,760 Speaker 1: Maybe and maybe then they reduce it to one fifty. 1043 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,719 Speaker 1: But if I just walk in there for five minutes 1044 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:34,839 Speaker 1: and I just want to write a check or pull 1045 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: out a credit card costs me five d Why is that? Anyway? 1046 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,000 Speaker 1: This is the the machinery of this and it's all 1047 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,680 Speaker 1: meant to confuse and obfuscate and ultimately try to do 1048 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,880 Speaker 1: the impossible, which is what I was getting to before, 1049 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 1: which is everybody wants someone else to pay for their care, 1050 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,239 Speaker 1: and when you pay for your own care, you have 1051 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,760 Speaker 1: a very different view of our entire health care system. 1052 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk immigration just a minute. Stay with me. 1053 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,399 Speaker 1: The things that matter most in your day to day 1054 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,839 Speaker 1: life are too important to trust to just anyone. That's 1055 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,560 Speaker 1: that's why, that's why he's here. Bud Sexton with America Now, 1056 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:15,800 Speaker 1: sharp mind, strong voice, Blud Sexton. Let's talk about immigration. 1057 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,240 Speaker 1: Everybody is still a very important issue that Trump administration 1058 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:24,080 Speaker 1: is tackling in new ways this week with the executive 1059 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: Order that has been revised. We've got to talk about that, 1060 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: as well as some other issues of immigration that have 1061 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,040 Speaker 1: come up and that are going to be places of 1062 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: fierce policy dispute in the days, weeks, and months ahead. 1063 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 1: We're joined by Mark Krikorian. He's the executive director of 1064 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,600 Speaker 1: the Center for Immigration Studies. He knows this stuff backwards 1065 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 1: and forwards. Mark, right to have you, Thank you. Let's 1066 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: talk first about the new travel the new Travel Band. 1067 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 1: Now that criticisms Mark are that this is first of 1068 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 1: all I'm here, people say, well, he said it needed 1069 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 1: to be speedy. Well, now he's giving two weeks to 1070 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,480 Speaker 1: allow for the bureauxtion to handle it. Want to say, well, 1071 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: first of all, it was supposed to be speedy, and 1072 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,240 Speaker 1: then the courts over you know, the courts put a 1073 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,919 Speaker 1: stay on it, so it doesn't really matter the speed 1074 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,680 Speaker 1: at which he was doing it because the courts overruled him. Um. 1075 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,400 Speaker 1: And then also well yeah, so now that's gone. The 1076 00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: element of surprise is certainly gone, and he has two 1077 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,480 Speaker 1: weeks to get this in place. But they're saying it 1078 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 1: doesn't include Iraq. How can you not include a country 1079 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,960 Speaker 1: that's part of the you know, the two countries most 1080 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: affected by the Islamic State. You know, everyone's now just 1081 00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 1: attacking this on the efficacy efficacy side of things, saying 1082 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 1: it's not going to work as advertised. What say you, well, 1083 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,640 Speaker 1: I mean the key thing here is that it's not 1084 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: the policy. It's just an initial step of of you know, 1085 00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: sort of giving our people a breather and some space 1086 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 1: so they can develop, uh, the explore what vetting policies 1087 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,960 Speaker 1: are necessary and implement those policies. So it's only three 1088 00:58:55,080 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 1: months that people from these now six terrorists red countries 1089 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 1: are stopped from entering, and only a twenty days, so 1090 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:10,120 Speaker 1: four months for refugee admissions to be paused until new 1091 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,600 Speaker 1: procedures are developed. So really, honestly, there's a lot of 1092 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:19,080 Speaker 1: melodrama about this thing, and it's not really um as 1093 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 1: earth shaking or monumental a matter as the a c 1094 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,040 Speaker 1: l U and the rest of these jokers think it is. 1095 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: The A c l U has said, I read their 1096 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 1: press release that said it was a a A just 1097 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,040 Speaker 1: a new Muslim band. Editorial in the New York Times 1098 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,919 Speaker 1: saying that this is and this is from the editorial board, 1099 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 1: So it's not just some random dude or do debt 1100 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,920 Speaker 1: that they're publishing here. It's the editorial board of the 1101 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,440 Speaker 1: New York Times that calls it Muslim ban light. What 1102 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,040 Speaker 1: they're effectively saying, right, is that any any restriction on 1103 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:53,480 Speaker 1: immigration for a temporary period of time based on a 1104 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 1: country having ties to jihadist terrorism is inherently anti Muslim, right, 1105 00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: So there's no he could make this two countries and 1106 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,760 Speaker 1: they still say it's a Muslim band. Yeah, exactly, that's 1107 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,680 Speaker 1: what they seem to be saying. Because even though this 1108 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,160 Speaker 1: only covers maybe ten of the world's Muslim population. It's 1109 01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,840 Speaker 1: obviously not a Muslim ban. The new version of the 1110 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Order is actually better at explaining what it is they're doing. 1111 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,960 Speaker 1: That was something the first order just didn't do a 1112 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 1: very good job of because I think the folks in 1113 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,040 Speaker 1: the White House, I mean, look, they're in a hurry. 1114 01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: They said, look, president has the authority to do this, 1115 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: let's just do it rather than and I think they 1116 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,520 Speaker 1: forgot that basically, you always need to keep explaining and 1117 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,720 Speaker 1: persuading what you're doing. And so they did a much 1118 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,680 Speaker 1: better job in this here. But look, the A c 1119 01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: l U and these guys are still going to call 1120 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,200 Speaker 1: this a Muslim band. But you know, are there other 1121 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:47,320 Speaker 1: countries that are either complete, you know, failed states where 1122 01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,840 Speaker 1: terrorists rule large part of the country or where the 1123 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 1: governments themselves are state sponsors of terror. I mean, that's 1124 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 1: what these countries are. It's not like Paraguay fits that description, 1125 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,640 Speaker 1: or Nepal or Finland. It's these countries. Frankly, you know, 1126 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,680 Speaker 1: Islam is going through a tumultuous violet period and we 1127 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,360 Speaker 1: can't just pretend that's not happening because we don't want 1128 01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 1: to make somebody, you know, hurt, somebody's feelings. Yeah, I read, 1129 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,920 Speaker 1: and I think it was also a New York Times editorial, 1130 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,880 Speaker 1: not by the editorial board, where the Yeah, I know, 1131 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: I need to stop reading so much New York Times 1132 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 1: and Washington Post. It's really a form of abuse, abusing myself. 1133 01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 1: It's bad. But I checked them one out and they said, well, 1134 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,000 Speaker 1: they're not including uh countries that have long sending terrorism 1135 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,120 Speaker 1: like Columbia and the farc. And I'm saying, you know, 1136 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,760 Speaker 1: are you really gonna we're gonna make that case now 1137 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 1: that countries that have domestic narco terrorist insurgencies that are 1138 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,040 Speaker 1: trying to see his territory there, that haven't killed the U. 1139 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,400 Speaker 1: S citizen at least in decades. You know, it's been 1140 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,840 Speaker 1: a long time. We're gonna include them on the band too. 1141 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: You know, this is you know, maybe Northern Ireland should 1142 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,480 Speaker 1: be on there, just because this is where the argument 1143 01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,280 Speaker 1: tends to go anyway. Serbia. Remember the guy who killed 1144 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,320 Speaker 1: the Archduke Ferdinand a hundred years ago, he was Serbians, 1145 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,240 Speaker 1: So we should include them too, maybe. Yeah, it's it's 1146 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 1: just the argument devolves in a nonsense, but it really 1147 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 1: does turn into a big game of virtue signaling for 1148 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,200 Speaker 1: the left. And how much they love immigrants. With that 1149 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 1: in mind, I wanted to move us to a very 1150 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,640 Speaker 1: instinct piece that I saw in one of the UK papers, 1151 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,360 Speaker 1: I think it was the tabloid, the Daily Mail, but 1152 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,720 Speaker 1: actually do some pretty interesting reporting sometimes if you can 1153 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,840 Speaker 1: get past all the Kim Kardashian photos and which you know, 1154 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 1: there's that, but I gotta do what I gotta do. 1155 01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing research, and they talk about the 1156 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,240 Speaker 1: refugees in this country that are afraid that they're not 1157 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,320 Speaker 1: going to be able to stay I think, or they're 1158 01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,880 Speaker 1: not welcome, who are crossing over the northern border and 1159 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,040 Speaker 1: then they're then they're arrested in process by Canadians. Prime 1160 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,760 Speaker 1: Minister Trudeau has said that anybody that's not welcome here 1161 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,920 Speaker 1: will be welcome there. Is that just posturing and you 1162 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,880 Speaker 1: think he's gonna stick to that, Um my offense has 1163 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,720 Speaker 1: given his politics, He's probably gonna stick to that because 1164 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,160 Speaker 1: I understand what that issue is. That's not people who 1165 01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 1: have refugee status or people who have won asylum. Those 1166 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,160 Speaker 1: are just illegal aliens who don't think that they will 1167 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,880 Speaker 1: be successful in getting asylum here because frankly, they're just 1168 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 1: making it up. Um, and so they figure Canada's a 1169 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: soft touch. And there's an interesting twist here with Canada. 1170 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: We actually have an agreement with them so that any 1171 01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,440 Speaker 1: person who goes to a port of entry from Canada 1172 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,320 Speaker 1: here or from here to Canada, who says, hi, I 1173 01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 1: want asylum is turned away because the agreement between US is, look, 1174 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,160 Speaker 1: that person should have applied for asylum in the other country. 1175 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,520 Speaker 1: We're not taking them in. But what Canada does is 1176 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:41,240 Speaker 1: if you sneak across the border and then show up 1177 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,680 Speaker 1: and talk and present yourself to a border patrol person 1178 01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 1: uh in Canada Askally, it's the Mounties that are the 1179 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 1: border patrol, the Royal Canadian mount of Police. So the 1180 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,960 Speaker 1: point is if you get past the border, not the 1181 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,440 Speaker 1: border crossing, but you just cross somewhere in the woods, 1182 01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: then they'll consider your asylum request. And there are much 1183 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,680 Speaker 1: softer touch than were. They give asylum to people that really, 1184 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 1: really really don't deserve it. I was gonna say, how 1185 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,240 Speaker 1: does it working, because they have a point. If you're 1186 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,880 Speaker 1: a if you're a businessman in Hong Kong and you 1187 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:13,560 Speaker 1: want Canadian citizenship, my understanding is they evaluate you based 1188 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,040 Speaker 1: on you know, what you'll bring to the economy, or 1189 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 1: educational background, your your resources, all this all the stuff 1190 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,680 Speaker 1: and what your profession is. But if you just show 1191 01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,840 Speaker 1: up and say you're a refugee, people are attacking you 1192 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,320 Speaker 1: at home and your life is in danger, they're much 1193 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,160 Speaker 1: more likely to take you. I mean, how does absolutely 1194 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean the what you described the first person, the 1195 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,240 Speaker 1: guy from Hong Kong or from anywhere else that's applying 1196 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,960 Speaker 1: for regular immigration status. So you go on the website 1197 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,200 Speaker 1: they actually haven't. Anybody can go check out the website 1198 01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: and you take a little you know, you put into 1199 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, English or French. How what level of education 1200 01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,480 Speaker 1: do you have? That sort of thing, and they'll tell you, look, 1201 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,760 Speaker 1: your score is X and you'll stop high enough to 1202 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,840 Speaker 1: get into the candidate this year, that kind of thing. 1203 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 1: But that's for regular immigration. If you're you know, some 1204 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,560 Speaker 1: taxi driver from Sudan who came in and a tourist 1205 01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,040 Speaker 1: visa in New York and just never left. Um, you're 1206 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 1: you're you're not going to be passing any point system 1207 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,440 Speaker 1: tests to get a Green card or their equivalent of 1208 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,000 Speaker 1: a green card in Canada. So what you do is 1209 01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,760 Speaker 1: you sneak in and you say hi, I'm here now, 1210 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,320 Speaker 1: and you're obliged by the Refugee Convention to consider my 1211 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,080 Speaker 1: asylum application. And you know, I'm oppressed and the blah 1212 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,000 Speaker 1: blah blah, and the Canadians frankly just approve a lot 1213 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,280 Speaker 1: more of those than we do. And what is how 1214 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,080 Speaker 1: many refugees is Canada take in year in a year out? 1215 01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,600 Speaker 1: We've got the Trump number now is fifty thou again, 1216 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,760 Speaker 1: they said, which is half what the refugees were supposed 1217 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 1: to be under under the Obama of guidance or Obama 1218 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,440 Speaker 1: policy in the last year of his administration. So they've 1219 01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 1: they've cut it back to fifty. How how many refugees 1220 01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,880 Speaker 1: to the Canadians take, Yeah, I don't know, I actually 1221 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,320 Speaker 1: have the number at my at hand. But on both 1222 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:54,600 Speaker 1: refugees and regular immigrants, Canada actually takes per person, you know, 1223 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: proportioned to their population quite a bit more than we do, 1224 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 1: actually because they have about a tenth of our pop relation, 1225 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,040 Speaker 1: but they take way more than one tenth of the 1226 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 1: number of immigrants or refugees. Have they have they started 1227 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,360 Speaker 1: to see? I mean, I know that you know, we're 1228 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,760 Speaker 1: we're really most concerned about the American immigration system. But 1229 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,280 Speaker 1: I know everyone looks at what's going on in Europe 1230 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: and that that has changed the whole conversation with the 1231 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,960 Speaker 1: mass Muslim migration that has occurred, to immigration from the 1232 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:24,560 Speaker 1: Muslim world UH into predominantly Germany, but also other countries 1233 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,440 Speaker 1: and Northern European countries. People look at that and say, okay, 1234 01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,680 Speaker 1: well that's having some interesting political and social ramifications over there. 1235 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Are our brothers UH and sisters up north in Canada? 1236 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,360 Speaker 1: Are are they having some changes of heart? Second thoughts 1237 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 1: any issues about the number of refugees or overall immigrants 1238 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,920 Speaker 1: even they've been taking in. They are starting to get 1239 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,720 Speaker 1: some angst over there because of all the people that 1240 01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,960 Speaker 1: are coming over from New York State and what have 1241 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,439 Speaker 1: you into Canada, in the words, the illegal immigrants here 1242 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,360 Speaker 1: who are going into crossing the border into Canada. And 1243 01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,680 Speaker 1: the reason it really hasn't been all that sharp and 1244 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,480 Speaker 1: it before is it unlike the United States or Europe, 1245 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,880 Speaker 1: you can't walk to Canada from the Third World. I 1246 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,640 Speaker 1: mean basically their border patrol is the United States. You 1247 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,560 Speaker 1: mean you gotta cross through a thousand miles in the 1248 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,320 Speaker 1: United States to get to Canada, or you have to 1249 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,880 Speaker 1: you know, walk across the ice or somehow and get 1250 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:21,040 Speaker 1: up there, and so they're actually kind of insulated and 1251 01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,080 Speaker 1: protected from all of this. And only now that all 1252 01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 1: these illegal immigrants are more illegal immigrants are crossing from 1253 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,320 Speaker 1: the United States into Canada, are they starting to get 1254 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,400 Speaker 1: a little nervous about that? Why doesn't Trudeau just offer up? 1255 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean, here, here's a helpful idea. He's a big progressive. 1256 01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,440 Speaker 1: He says that he's got an open arms to refugees 1257 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,360 Speaker 1: and it worked wonders for Merco everybody in Germany. But 1258 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,720 Speaker 1: side note, why why doesn't Why doesn't he also just say, 1259 01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, if there's any concerns for those with with 1260 01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,440 Speaker 1: illegal status in America, there's just come to Canada. It 1261 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,200 Speaker 1: seems like an easy and obvious answer from him. It 1262 01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,760 Speaker 1: would be great. I would encourage him to do that. 1263 01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't I think even he's not quite that crazy actually, 1264 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,320 Speaker 1: having seen what happened to Angela Merkell. Wouldn't that be 1265 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,160 Speaker 1: quite a test? Would be an interesting test of all 1266 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,840 Speaker 1: the things we're told this country about how uh you 1267 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,160 Speaker 1: know immigrants are you know, they say immigrants, we're talking 1268 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,680 Speaker 1: about illegal immigrants, which they now just fold into immigrants. 1269 01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,720 Speaker 1: But we'll let illegal immigrants, even our our strength, and 1270 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: they're in an essential part of our diversity. And then 1271 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,680 Speaker 1: they make all these benefits the economy and they never 1272 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,760 Speaker 1: commit crimes, A very very few of them, less than 1273 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,880 Speaker 1: the native born Americans of all different backgrounds and ethnicities do. 1274 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,360 Speaker 1: We're told this all the time. I want to know. 1275 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,000 Speaker 1: I feel like Trump has got it. He's got a 1276 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,040 Speaker 1: great issue here. Should just tell Trudeau, Hey, Canada, you 1277 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,240 Speaker 1: want to be a wonderful partner and help us out. 1278 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,320 Speaker 1: You're so progressive and great. Take all of our take 1279 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,560 Speaker 1: all of our illegals, and they will make your economy fantastic, 1280 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,640 Speaker 1: and they'll do the jobs Canadians won't do. How about that, 1281 01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,760 Speaker 1: I wonder what the answer would be. Yeah, well the 1282 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,840 Speaker 1: answer would be will get one. Yeah, you're pretty sure 1283 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,960 Speaker 1: that push comes to shove. They wouldn't do that, even 1284 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,519 Speaker 1: though they're right now taking a lot of refugees. No, 1285 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,480 Speaker 1: because their immigration flow, generally speaking, other than the refugees, 1286 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 1: is actually significantly more skilled and educated than um ours is, 1287 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,760 Speaker 1: and so it's caused it's caused problems, but it's not 1288 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,040 Speaker 1: the same level of problems. It's not the same kind 1289 01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,200 Speaker 1: of you know, welfare issues and all that sort of thing. 1290 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,200 Speaker 1: It's just because you can't walk there from the Third world. 1291 01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,240 Speaker 1: That's basically what it boils down to. And if we 1292 01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:21,880 Speaker 1: were you know, I mean, nobody's they're just not gonna 1293 01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,759 Speaker 1: go for the idea of you know, any illegal immigant 1294 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,400 Speaker 1: who's worried about deportation should just walk across the North 1295 01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,760 Speaker 1: North Dakota border and we'll take you. I'd be you know, 1296 01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,799 Speaker 1: it'd be great idea. I'm all for it. But even Trudeau, 1297 01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,960 Speaker 1: isn't that dumb? Well more for you, Mark, and know 1298 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,720 Speaker 1: we're because just because we're running out of time. I 1299 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,320 Speaker 1: always enjoyed talking about all these immigration issues, the raids. 1300 01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,439 Speaker 1: CNBC here reporting on raids having a chilling effect as 1301 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,559 Speaker 1: fear keeps customers away from small stores. Are these raids 1302 01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,519 Speaker 1: in excess of what we've seen in the past. Are 1303 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,720 Speaker 1: these raids different? Or is this just more fearmongering And 1304 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,920 Speaker 1: we're just gonna see an endless parade of New York Times, 1305 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,760 Speaker 1: Washington Post and other stories about teary eyed children being 1306 01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,800 Speaker 1: said printed from their illegal parents and all this, I mean, 1307 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,240 Speaker 1: is this just it has something changed or is this propaganda? 1308 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,240 Speaker 1: It's been a change to some degree, but it's not 1309 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,600 Speaker 1: been really a radical change. Um the you know, the 1310 01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,679 Speaker 1: raids that got all this attention. This was a couple 1311 01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,839 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. They arrested like close to seven hundred 1312 01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,960 Speaker 1: illegal immigrants. Most of them, like three quarters of them 1313 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,040 Speaker 1: were people they had on a list of who were 1314 01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,240 Speaker 1: either criminals or they deported and came back or whatever 1315 01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:27,760 Speaker 1: it is. There was there was some good reason to 1316 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,560 Speaker 1: go after him. The other quarter were just illegal immigrants 1317 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,000 Speaker 1: they encountered. You know, they go into somebody's house, he's 1318 01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,759 Speaker 1: a previously deported felon, and they find two other illegal 1319 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,600 Speaker 1: immigrants there. They take them into custody too. That's the 1320 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,160 Speaker 1: part that's different. Under Obama they did, in fact, I mean, 1321 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,040 Speaker 1: if you're a murderer or something then got out and 1322 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,960 Speaker 1: they didn't get you before you were released, they would 1323 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,920 Speaker 1: in fact go and get you. It's just the thing 1324 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,400 Speaker 1: is that when they find the other two illegal immigrants 1325 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,519 Speaker 1: sitting with you in your in your living room, and 1326 01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:00,160 Speaker 1: if they weren't murderers, under Obama, the immigration age US 1327 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,840 Speaker 1: were required to let them go. They were prohibited from 1328 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,040 Speaker 1: taking those people into custody even though they knew they 1329 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,040 Speaker 1: were illegal. That's what's changed, and that's one of the 1330 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:11,599 Speaker 1: things really that's getting all these squeals of outrage. Marker 1331 01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,120 Speaker 1: Corn is the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. Mark, 1332 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,679 Speaker 1: great to have you. Thank you for joining us again. 1333 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:22,080 Speaker 1: Thank you eight four four nine zero zero to eight 1334 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,599 Speaker 1: to five. On those phone lines you want to talk 1335 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:31,679 Speaker 1: about immigration, healthcare, Obama, Trump, all kinds of fun stuff. 1336 01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,479 Speaker 1: We have lots of stories today. We're back right after 1337 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,160 Speaker 1: the break. Welcome back to Buck Sexton with American Now. 1338 01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Um. Also, please do consider subscribing 1339 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,000 Speaker 1: to the show. You can do so um on iTunes 1340 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,720 Speaker 1: by typing in Buck sex In with American Now. You 1341 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,679 Speaker 1: click subscribe on your iTunes and you'll download the show 1342 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,439 Speaker 1: every day. It'll be waiting for you, all of it, 1343 01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,839 Speaker 1: and you can listen to it whenever you like, especially 1344 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,040 Speaker 1: if you missed a little piece of it or you 1345 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,600 Speaker 1: wanted to hear a part of it back again. A 1346 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,479 Speaker 1: great way to do that, and also you can share 1347 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,280 Speaker 1: it with friends were on the I Aren't radio app 1348 01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,759 Speaker 1: as well. If you don't have us in your whatever 1349 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,439 Speaker 1: area you happen to be when you want to listen 1350 01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:10,120 Speaker 1: to the show, you can always listen Viam. I heart radio. 1351 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,439 Speaker 1: So I have to say, you know, this is something 1352 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,240 Speaker 1: that I saw this, this little headline, not a big story, 1353 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:23,000 Speaker 1: but of interest to me. Um, you have a gym. 1354 01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make sure that I get the where 1355 01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,800 Speaker 1: was this? This was in politics? Off the TV and 1356 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,280 Speaker 1: out of the gym. This was in uh lack of 1357 01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:39,439 Speaker 1: Lacka Wuenna County, which I lack of Wuenna? Where's lack of? Now, 1358 01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:42,280 Speaker 1: you guys got nothing for me on this one. The 1359 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,680 Speaker 1: ment the men the Manhattan guy over here is not 1360 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,439 Speaker 1: familiar with Lacka Wuenna. Sorry about that, guys. Um, But anyway, 1361 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,519 Speaker 1: lack I can google it while we're on air, but 1362 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,960 Speaker 1: then I forget what I'm talking about. So there's this place, 1363 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,280 Speaker 1: this magical place, and there's Lackawanna County if you're listening 1364 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,320 Speaker 1: from there. Oh no, it's the Greater Scranton. So okay, 1365 01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,880 Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be Pennsylvan, Pennsylvania. Yeah, yeah, it's Pennsylvania. 1366 01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,040 Speaker 1: All right. I figured this out my I put on 1367 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:10,040 Speaker 1: my freedom Hunt. Detective had here and they've been saying 1368 01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,680 Speaker 1: or that there's been fights over at the y m 1369 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:19,360 Speaker 1: C A there. Um, people who don't want the TVs 1370 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,759 Speaker 1: in the gym to have politics on. I'm always amazed. 1371 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,240 Speaker 1: I go to the gym here in New York City 1372 01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,479 Speaker 1: and there must be there must be I don't know, 1373 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,080 Speaker 1: fifty to a hundred TVs up on the screen. Never 1374 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,439 Speaker 1: do I see Fox News. I've never seen it in 1375 01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,600 Speaker 1: the gym here in New York City. It's always MSNBC 1376 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:41,000 Speaker 1: or CNN, and it's sometimes also CNBC. I guess for 1377 01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,280 Speaker 1: the market watcher types. But I just think it's so 1378 01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,439 Speaker 1: interesting that that people would want to watch talking heads 1379 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,240 Speaker 1: that they can't even hear because a lot, you know, 1380 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people are working out in the primetime hours. 1381 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this is why radio obviously, everybody, it's such 1382 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,400 Speaker 1: a great media. You could listen to radio and get 1383 01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,920 Speaker 1: the full experience on the treadmiller wherever you are. Let 1384 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,519 Speaker 1: me say, but watching these because they don't have the 1385 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,720 Speaker 1: TVs on um and so you can only read the 1386 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,679 Speaker 1: one is at the close captioned. Way better to listen 1387 01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:12,000 Speaker 1: to radio from like six to nine Eastern for examples, 1388 01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,360 Speaker 1: A way better move. But people have been fighting at 1389 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,240 Speaker 1: this Greater Scrantinaria. I've learned something that I Lackawanna County 1390 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,920 Speaker 1: Greater Scrantinaria, y m c a over what gets to 1391 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,080 Speaker 1: go on the WHI which twenty four hour cable news 1392 01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,439 Speaker 1: channel gets to go up. I'm sure this is just 1393 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:36,040 Speaker 1: another manifestation of the the Trump wars that are out 1394 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:37,960 Speaker 1: there in our day to day lives of people who 1395 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,720 Speaker 1: hate Trump and people who like Trump, and everything now 1396 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,439 Speaker 1: becomes a referendum on Trump. Even when you're on the 1397 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,840 Speaker 1: elliptical or perhaps the stair climber or one of those 1398 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,519 Speaker 1: other things that looks like a stair climber that's not 1399 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,080 Speaker 1: really but you're kind of making motions like you're on stairs, 1400 01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:56,479 Speaker 1: but you're also moving your hands whatever. What they watch 1401 01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,760 Speaker 1: on the TVs now in the gym has become politicized 1402 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,559 Speaker 1: and political. Nothing is sacred anymore, folks. I always thought, 1403 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,519 Speaker 1: can't we just skip all this and just have loops 1404 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,240 Speaker 1: of sports on the TVs and the gym. Wouldn't that 1405 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,280 Speaker 1: be better for or all involved? But you know, I 1406 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,240 Speaker 1: don't get to make those decisions, because you know what, 1407 01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:15,400 Speaker 1: even when it comes to the gym, I'm opposed to 1408 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:22,280 Speaker 1: central planning. Buck is back. Everybody bucks back. It's more 1409 01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,880 Speaker 1: of America. Now throw in your two cents one eight 1410 01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,880 Speaker 1: four four nine hundred buck. That's one eight four four, 1411 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:36,400 Speaker 1: nine hundred to eight to five. A day without a woman, 1412 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,320 Speaker 1: that is what they are calling it. It sounds to 1413 01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:42,880 Speaker 1: me more like maybe an album from the nineties that 1414 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,599 Speaker 1: Alatta's Morissett might have put out. It's like a day 1415 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:50,679 Speaker 1: with that woman. Uh, you know, sort of Lilith Fair. 1416 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,479 Speaker 1: Isn't that the all female right? All female bands that 1417 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Lilia Fair? I think wasn't that a thing that they Yeah, 1418 01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:56,600 Speaker 1: that's the thing they used to do. I don't know 1419 01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,640 Speaker 1: if they still do it. Lots of lots of that 1420 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,920 Speaker 1: stuff going on. I yeah, let's talk about this for 1421 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,840 Speaker 1: a second here, so that this is a follow on 1422 01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,280 Speaker 1: those of you don't know, a day without a Woman. 1423 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,679 Speaker 1: It's a follow on to the Women's March that happened 1424 01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:17,120 Speaker 1: in d C a few weeks ago, which had a 1425 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:21,519 Speaker 1: whole collection of women holding up signs that were, as 1426 01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:28,720 Speaker 1: you probably saw, in many cases, profane. There were anatomically 1427 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:35,320 Speaker 1: far too correct signs and placards and items that were 1428 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:40,080 Speaker 1: being carried around. You had Madonna, who is still a 1429 01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,120 Speaker 1: music act that people pay money to see, which is 1430 01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,479 Speaker 1: its own its own choice. Uh. She got up and 1431 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,479 Speaker 1: said something about how she's had dreams about blowing up 1432 01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,479 Speaker 1: the White House. If memory serves not not exactly the 1433 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,719 Speaker 1: kind of thing that you usually want to rally behind 1434 01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:59,839 Speaker 1: and hold up as something for all Americans to celebrate. 1435 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,320 Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy. I know she uh stood down from 1436 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,320 Speaker 1: that or said that, you know whatever, that they made 1437 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,040 Speaker 1: it go. It's Madonna? Who who? It was? One of 1438 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,720 Speaker 1: those things that come on it. Who cares what she 1439 01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,080 Speaker 1: says about this? So? But then I always wanna ask, well, 1440 01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:12,920 Speaker 1: if it's a who care situation, why doesn't get to 1441 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,719 Speaker 1: stand up on the podium with amplified sound and speak 1442 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,839 Speaker 1: to everybody? Um, But they thought that was such a success, 1443 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:24,760 Speaker 1: that march for women. It was just called the Women's March, 1444 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,519 Speaker 1: I think, and I don't know what they all think 1445 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,920 Speaker 1: they were marching for. It did seem like just the 1446 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:36,400 Speaker 1: pro uh, the pro abortion lobby was very prominently featured there. 1447 01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:39,720 Speaker 1: And certainly given What's in the House GOP see, I'm 1448 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,519 Speaker 1: bringing the show full circle. What's in the House GOP 1449 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,519 Speaker 1: bill as it stands right now, there's supposed to be 1450 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,200 Speaker 1: a defunding of any by with federal dollars of any 1451 01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,360 Speaker 1: organization that performs abortions. Except in cases of rape, incest, 1452 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,120 Speaker 1: or threat to the life or serious health issue of 1453 01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,920 Speaker 1: for the mother, so that will probably feature prominently in 1454 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,519 Speaker 1: all this. I am assuming, but I don't know how 1455 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:07,920 Speaker 1: many of you do this. I just want to take 1456 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:14,920 Speaker 1: a moment here that tomorrow is International Women's Women's sorry, 1457 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:19,320 Speaker 1: Women's Day, Tomorrow's International Women's Day, which is celebrated in 1458 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,760 Speaker 1: more than a hundred countries. I also did not know 1459 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,040 Speaker 1: that and or or maybe some of you are with 1460 01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,920 Speaker 1: me and just learning this, because of course, this is 1461 01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,720 Speaker 1: why this day has been chosen for the women's march. 1462 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,280 Speaker 1: Here in d C. There was a January Women's March 1463 01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,880 Speaker 1: on Washington, that's what they called it. And so now 1464 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,920 Speaker 1: they're supposed to be a day of action, and that 1465 01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:44,200 Speaker 1: means that they're hoping that women are going to stay 1466 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,320 Speaker 1: home from work. In some cases, we've already seen public 1467 01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,760 Speaker 1: school teachers get the approval from their school districts to 1468 01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,880 Speaker 1: go to this march and have the day off. So 1469 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,400 Speaker 1: that's cool. You know, if you're paid with taxpayer dollars, 1470 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,880 Speaker 1: maybe now you can have your political activities subsidized by 1471 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,880 Speaker 1: the taxpayer. Unbeknownst to the taxpayer, or at least without 1472 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,320 Speaker 1: the taxpayer having any say in it, because you know, 1473 01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,719 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. You know, there's the teachers unions. 1474 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,960 Speaker 1: They'll throw a fit if anybody tries to crack down 1475 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,400 Speaker 1: on this, I suppose, so you're gonna have a bunch 1476 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,519 Speaker 1: of women who were showing up at this Women's march 1477 01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,040 Speaker 1: who are teachers who have been given the day off, 1478 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:23,240 Speaker 1: which I mean, I suppose we're at a point now 1479 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,800 Speaker 1: where we just have to expect these kind of things. 1480 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,280 Speaker 1: But here's a little bit of the history of International 1481 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,760 Speaker 1: Women's Day. If those of you, again like me, who 1482 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,080 Speaker 1: are just I didn't even know that until they were 1483 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,560 Speaker 1: having this march that I found out about tomorrow. I 1484 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,439 Speaker 1: don't even know this was a thing. Learning something new here. 1485 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,519 Speaker 1: So there have been stories, and this is all from 1486 01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,439 Speaker 1: the interwebs, where there's a lot of fake news, as 1487 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, so take it for what it's worth. My 1488 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,439 Speaker 1: my deep dive on on Google here has led me 1489 01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,000 Speaker 1: to information on the International Women's Day which I cannot 1490 01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 1: confirm or deny the full veracity of this, but I 1491 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:56,920 Speaker 1: think this is true. I'm not a pretty I've got 1492 01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,800 Speaker 1: some pretty good sights to get this stuff. So a 1493 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,519 Speaker 1: originally they thought that International Women's Day was established in 1494 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:07,000 Speaker 1: nineteen oh seven two, and this was in response to 1495 01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:10,240 Speaker 1: a protest that was fifty years old, or a fifty 1496 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,759 Speaker 1: year anniversary of a protest of garment and textile workers. 1497 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,360 Speaker 1: That's what that was what history dot com was saying here, 1498 01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,639 Speaker 1: And no, in fact, that's not true. And they think 1499 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:21,920 Speaker 1: I thought this was a great quote or really interesting 1500 01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,240 Speaker 1: research emerge in the nineteen eighties. It says suggested that 1501 01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:30,519 Speaker 1: that the origin myth of International Women's Day was invented 1502 01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,840 Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties as part of a Cold War 1503 01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:39,759 Speaker 1: era effort to separate International Women's Day from its socialist roots. 1504 01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,320 Speaker 1: And quote, oh, here we go. Who could have guessed 1505 01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:48,200 Speaker 1: that International Women's Day is just like May Day and 1506 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:54,080 Speaker 1: Workers Day and all these other global people's power you know, 1507 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,960 Speaker 1: populist worker movements or whatever movements of the oppressed, or 1508 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,320 Speaker 1: movements of the under class, or movements of whatever it 1509 01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,160 Speaker 1: is that the Communists or pretending to like in in 1510 01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,720 Speaker 1: in the day that they're talking about it. Yep, this 1511 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,360 Speaker 1: tomorrow has its roots. The Women's Day has its roots 1512 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:16,320 Speaker 1: in socialism. Everybody. Yeah, look at that. The Socialist Party 1513 01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:23,599 Speaker 1: of America organized the first National Women's Day on February nine. 1514 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,599 Speaker 1: This reminds me of when you go when you look 1515 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,519 Speaker 1: back at a lot of the early labor protests, including 1516 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,080 Speaker 1: some of the major ones here in New York City. Uh, 1517 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,400 Speaker 1: you had socialist tie into this, and I think a 1518 01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,960 Speaker 1: lot of Americans this is always very telling read about 1519 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,120 Speaker 1: the origins of these kinds of these events, of these situations, 1520 01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,920 Speaker 1: these days of international whatever, and they go, wait, wait 1521 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:51,240 Speaker 1: a second, Uh there there social socialist Communist Party USA, 1522 01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:55,800 Speaker 1: Socialist Party of America. These were things. Oh yeah, that's right, 1523 01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,320 Speaker 1: these were things. Where did they go? You might ask 1524 01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:02,920 Speaker 1: what happened to them? They were just taken into the 1525 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,920 Speaker 1: Democratic Party more or less. I mean, there's still the 1526 01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,439 Speaker 1: communist part of USA, which only has a few thousand adherents. 1527 01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,200 Speaker 1: Were told, we're told that of course, every time the 1528 01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,519 Speaker 1: communist part of USA endorses the Democrat for president, they're like, oh, 1529 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,800 Speaker 1: they'll have a few thousand of them. Okay, But the 1530 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,880 Speaker 1: socialist tendency that exists in this country has found a 1531 01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,320 Speaker 1: a warm and cozy home in the Democrat Party. As 1532 01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,559 Speaker 1: we know, Bernie Sanders is running as an open socialist Democrat. 1533 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,760 Speaker 1: So now you you finally have Democrats who are embracing 1534 01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,479 Speaker 1: the term socialists. For for decades they've been running away 1535 01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,280 Speaker 1: from It's like, oh, that's very un American, and people 1536 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:38,760 Speaker 1: did think it was Unamerican. One of the big things 1537 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:43,680 Speaker 1: that separated us from our European compadres is that, uh, 1538 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,240 Speaker 1: we tend to look askance. We tend to be uncomfortable 1539 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,840 Speaker 1: with a socialist government with socialist policies. Although if we 1540 01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,040 Speaker 1: start to get honest about things, back to earlier conversations 1541 01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,080 Speaker 1: from the show about introspection and looking at ourselves, we've 1542 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,559 Speaker 1: adopted some sees that look pretty Democrats, socialist. You gotta 1543 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,599 Speaker 1: put that out there. We have embraced the welfare state. 1544 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying we as in you and me. I 1545 01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,920 Speaker 1: just mean America. We've got a big welfare state going on. 1546 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,479 Speaker 1: We've got a big entitlement state going Nobody wants to 1547 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,040 Speaker 1: touch it. It is all premised on our ability to 1548 01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,320 Speaker 1: keep pushing dead out into the future and to print 1549 01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,599 Speaker 1: money and to pay off our obligations by pushing those 1550 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:30,040 Speaker 1: obligations onto younger generations. That's not nice, but I digress. 1551 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,080 Speaker 1: So International Women's Day was started by a bunch of 1552 01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,080 Speaker 1: socialists and I'm sure there are plenty of people that 1553 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,040 Speaker 1: will be at that march tomorrow and that will be 1554 01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,920 Speaker 1: saying that they believe in all kinds of socialist policies. 1555 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,360 Speaker 1: They're going to be all in favor of this um 1556 01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,479 Speaker 1: the official theme for International Women's Day I'm seeing here 1557 01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:52,559 Speaker 1: in well, obviously this tomorrow, you know the date. Sorry, 1558 01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm just reading some of this off the various websites 1559 01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,519 Speaker 1: with literature about what tomorrow is supposed to be. And 1560 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,120 Speaker 1: I I'm gonna give you the lines from the official 1561 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:05,360 Speaker 1: Women's to International Women's or Day without Women, or's the 1562 01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:09,040 Speaker 1: Day without a Woman? Wha keep getting this wrong? International 1563 01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,400 Speaker 1: Women's Day? Yeah, hashtag, hashtag, all the cool kids have hashtags. 1564 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,639 Speaker 1: Day without a Woman, that's what they're calling it tomorrow. 1565 01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,280 Speaker 1: So they want people. Here's what they're saying on the 1566 01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,759 Speaker 1: Women's March website, and I'm sure they'll be a pretty 1567 01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,640 Speaker 1: big crowd and they'll be walking around down there and 1568 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,960 Speaker 1: yelling about stuff and talking about Trump the fascist and 1569 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:31,960 Speaker 1: how he's such a misogynist and a sexist and all that. 1570 01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,439 Speaker 1: Here's what a Day Without a Woman's site says on 1571 01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,439 Speaker 1: International Women's Day, March eight, Women and Our allies will 1572 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:41,600 Speaker 1: act together for equity, justice, and the human rights of 1573 01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:46,320 Speaker 1: women and all gender oppressed people through a one day 1574 01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:54,799 Speaker 1: demonstration of economic solidarity. Question for all of you listening, Okay, 1575 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,720 Speaker 1: so this is a lot of women getting together talking 1576 01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:01,200 Speaker 1: about you know, woman's stuff. Will notice though this curious 1577 01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:05,400 Speaker 1: inclusion of of gender oppressed people. Well, if it's a 1578 01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:11,439 Speaker 1: march for women, isn't a march then de facto about 1579 01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,840 Speaker 1: oppression of women, which in this country legally does not exist. 1580 01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,840 Speaker 1: And I hate to be the one to get into 1581 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,040 Speaker 1: some drop some facts here and get into a little 1582 01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,400 Speaker 1: bit of details, but in fact, legally speaking, the only 1583 01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,800 Speaker 1: that I am aware of, and you can all feel 1584 01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,840 Speaker 1: free to correct me if I'm wrong, it is in 1585 01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,960 Speaker 1: fact the case that women have superior legal rights in 1586 01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:37,479 Speaker 1: some context to men, believe it or not. For example, 1587 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,160 Speaker 1: any of you who have spent time in or around 1588 01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,240 Speaker 1: family court or no, people who have will tell you 1589 01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:48,439 Speaker 1: that longstanding policy that women have a much have much 1590 01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:53,719 Speaker 1: favored status in family court over their male counterparts. That's 1591 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,880 Speaker 1: just reality. Judges have been siding with mine. And you 1592 01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,559 Speaker 1: could say that you agree with that, and it's good 1593 01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,400 Speaker 1: and it makes more sense, and I'm i don't. I 1594 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,519 Speaker 1: don't think I would necessarily disagree with you in most cases. 1595 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,720 Speaker 1: But the point here is that better to be a 1596 01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:08,640 Speaker 1: woman in family court than a man. Women also have 1597 01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,519 Speaker 1: what are their special small business loans from the federal government, 1598 01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,840 Speaker 1: and there are programs to promote women. In fact, the 1599 01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Trump administration itself is saying that they're building a commission 1600 01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,599 Speaker 1: with Canada, I think to empower women entrepreneurs. So there 1601 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,360 Speaker 1: are special programs to deal with, uh, the advancement of women, 1602 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,120 Speaker 1: to promote the advancement of women in all kinds of fields. 1603 01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,920 Speaker 1: And and then, of course, when you get into how 1604 01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,919 Speaker 1: gender quote gender equity plays out on college campuses, particularly 1605 01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,920 Speaker 1: in relations between the sexes, you do not want to 1606 01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:43,400 Speaker 1: be a young man who was accused of any mouthfeasans, 1607 01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:46,799 Speaker 1: even on very flimsy pretext, no matter what the evidence 1608 01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:50,080 Speaker 1: of your innocence. Maybe you do not want to be 1609 01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,160 Speaker 1: on the wrong end of an accusation as a male 1610 01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,600 Speaker 1: from a female. These days, on a college campus, you 1611 01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,360 Speaker 1: are in a world of trouble if you are, no 1612 01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,639 Speaker 1: matter how innocent you may. Bet we have seen from 1613 01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,160 Speaker 1: case after case after case that has been handled by 1614 01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,400 Speaker 1: these campus courts. We even had an author of a 1615 01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:09,280 Speaker 1: book on this issue coming on the show, I believe 1616 01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,360 Speaker 1: in our first week to talk about this, the rape frenzy, 1617 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,479 Speaker 1: the campus rape frenzies the title of the book. So 1618 01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,840 Speaker 1: legally speaking, there's no such thing as legally speaking, meaning 1619 01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,720 Speaker 1: under law, there's no such thing as oppression women in 1620 01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,120 Speaker 1: this country. And in fact, you can point to areas 1621 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,840 Speaker 1: of the law where women have advantages over men, and 1622 01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:28,519 Speaker 1: that's just the way it is, and we accept that 1623 01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,280 Speaker 1: family Court being the most notable example that I can 1624 01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:35,960 Speaker 1: point to. Also, in hiring initiatives that there are, they 1625 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,720 Speaker 1: won't say that it's necessarily for gender parity, but and 1626 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,080 Speaker 1: they won't say that there are quotas, but clearly in 1627 01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,920 Speaker 1: some companies and at some talk to anybody who's ever 1628 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:48,439 Speaker 1: hired for professors on in different fields. I remember pretty 1629 01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:52,080 Speaker 1: openly a female professor, I think she was a geology 1630 01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,840 Speaker 1: professor making jokes at at Mike at Amherst about how 1631 01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:57,640 Speaker 1: you know if you're a if you're a lady and 1632 01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:58,960 Speaker 1: you want to tenure, and you want to be a 1633 01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,920 Speaker 1: tenure professor, you better go into like earth sciences or 1634 01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,559 Speaker 1: math or engineering, because you'll be good to go versus 1635 01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:10,560 Speaker 1: European literature or French language study or something like that. 1636 01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,720 Speaker 1: Um so there's all kinds of benefits. But anyway, that's 1637 01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,160 Speaker 1: that's less interesting to me than this inclusion here of 1638 01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,679 Speaker 1: all gender oppressed people, because when you go down into 1639 01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,120 Speaker 1: the the fine print on this page or the finer print, 1640 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:28,400 Speaker 1: it's not at the very bottom says that in the 1641 01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:32,439 Speaker 1: same spirit of love and liberation that inspired the Women's March. 1642 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,000 Speaker 1: By the way, love in liberation, there's a lot of 1643 01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,240 Speaker 1: nasty stuff at that Women's March. We joined together in 1644 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:41,600 Speaker 1: making March eighth a day without a woman, recognizing the 1645 01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:43,960 Speaker 1: enormous value that women of all backgrounds add to our 1646 01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:52,640 Speaker 1: socioeconomic system while receiving lower wages and experiencing greater inequities, vulnerability, discrimination, 1647 01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,080 Speaker 1: sexual raspment, and job security. The lower wages part of 1648 01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:00,840 Speaker 1: this is not true that they keep they keep talking 1649 01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,800 Speaker 1: about the the pay inequality, the gender gap when it 1650 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,200 Speaker 1: comes to pay, and it's a talking point that goes 1651 01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:08,360 Speaker 1: all because you know, this is an amazing thing about it. 1652 01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,120 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats love women and and have mothers and 1653 01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,280 Speaker 1: sisters and wives and best friends and colleagues, and you 1654 01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,280 Speaker 1: know there's no one side of the political spectrum that 1655 01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,200 Speaker 1: has a locked out. We're the only ones that like women, 1656 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,439 Speaker 1: even though Democrats like to play that game and pretend. 1657 01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,600 Speaker 1: But here's and I'm gonna have to tackle this on 1658 01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,759 Speaker 1: the other side of this break. Here's what's fascinating about 1659 01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:33,920 Speaker 1: the Day Without a Woman is that they're despite the 1660 01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,599 Speaker 1: complaints here about unequal treatment and unequal pay and everything else, 1661 01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:44,280 Speaker 1: that's not a really juicy, exciting, invigorating civil rights issue 1662 01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:48,280 Speaker 1: because women do have legal equality in this country. So 1663 01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,080 Speaker 1: what do they need to get people fired up about this? Oh, 1664 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:57,280 Speaker 1: they need to include non biological females in this march. 1665 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. But we'll talk about on the 1666 01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,240 Speaker 1: other side of this break. We'll be right back. So 1667 01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,000 Speaker 1: pro life women need not apply when it comes to 1668 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,960 Speaker 1: a Day Without a Woman, which is tomorrow. But they 1669 01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,120 Speaker 1: say here, I was reading some USA Today stats in 1670 01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:15,040 Speaker 1: the break, so thank those worth they're worth, say that 1671 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,960 Speaker 1: two million women participated in that march in d c 1672 01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,439 Speaker 1: h for which the outcome the result was what But 1673 01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,479 Speaker 1: you see, this is what I have to just put 1674 01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,040 Speaker 1: out there for you. Oh I'm sorry, wait, I'm I know. 1675 01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,080 Speaker 1: I get discombobulated cause there's so much I want to 1676 01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,600 Speaker 1: tell you, and and I don't have enough time. We 1677 01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,160 Speaker 1: gotta hang out more. Team that pro life women need 1678 01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:38,200 Speaker 1: not apply for this march. But transgender men or is 1679 01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:39,960 Speaker 1: it transgender? If you're in the trend? What do you? 1680 01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,280 Speaker 1: How does that work? Again? If you're a woman becoming 1681 01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:47,679 Speaker 1: a man, you're a transgender man or tan your transgender whatever, 1682 01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,920 Speaker 1: transgender woman, okay, no, your trans gender man whatever you're 1683 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,280 Speaker 1: ending up as is what they say. It's you're a 1684 01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,600 Speaker 1: transgender man, although you can actually change your sex. The 1685 01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,599 Speaker 1: discussion that we've had before on the show, and I've 1686 01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,519 Speaker 1: actually been reaching out to some doctors, tell you it's 1687 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:06,080 Speaker 1: hard to find a doctor, uh A, an actual medical doctor, 1688 01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,479 Speaker 1: you know, a scientist who deals in these issues who 1689 01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,240 Speaker 1: will come on because they just don't They just want 1690 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:12,479 Speaker 1: to do what they do and they don't want to 1691 01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:15,000 Speaker 1: deal with the hate. So even finding someone with an 1692 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:20,599 Speaker 1: m D who deals with either real sexual sexual reassignment surgery, 1693 01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,400 Speaker 1: or even somebody who's a psychiatrist who although psychiatrists, as 1694 01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,479 Speaker 1: you know in the medical profession, tend ask you very 1695 01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,599 Speaker 1: left side note. If I've seen studies and the surgeons 1696 01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:36,960 Speaker 1: tend to be Republicans, psychiatrists, democrats. Interesting, Uh, so they 1697 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:39,920 Speaker 1: want transgender This is what I meant about the gender 1698 01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,960 Speaker 1: oppressed people that are not feel that are not women. 1699 01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,920 Speaker 1: So if you're a transgender man, you are welcome at 1700 01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,639 Speaker 1: this and in fact they want you to be there 1701 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:55,320 Speaker 1: because you now are the vanguard of this progressive civil 1702 01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,240 Speaker 1: rights movement for transgender rights. That's how they see it. 1703 01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,599 Speaker 1: And this whole march, all of this is not really 1704 01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,320 Speaker 1: even about politics. It's not about getting a certain outcome, 1705 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:11,680 Speaker 1: war policy past. This is the modern culmination of liberalism 1706 01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:16,840 Speaker 1: on display, which is a lot of self affirmation, patting 1707 01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:21,160 Speaker 1: oneself on the back and giving people an identity. It 1708 01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,960 Speaker 1: gives them a sense of who they are based on 1709 01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,719 Speaker 1: what they say they believe, without having to take any 1710 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,960 Speaker 1: steps certainly that have to take any risks or be 1711 01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,559 Speaker 1: brave in their positions. No, to go along with all 1712 01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,760 Speaker 1: the rest. Here is all you have to do, and 1713 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,479 Speaker 1: then you get to think you're a good person. It's 1714 01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,760 Speaker 1: an affirmation of what an excellent human being you are. 1715 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,320 Speaker 1: In this case, it's mostly women, although they're saying I 1716 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,519 Speaker 1: thought this was this was this was nice. Uh. The 1717 01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:52,400 Speaker 1: organizers have a Q and anything here can men participate? Yes, 1718 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,200 Speaker 1: Men are being asked to help with caregiving and other 1719 01:32:55,280 --> 01:33:00,080 Speaker 1: domestic chores on Wednesday. Now to the men listening, you 1720 01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:02,400 Speaker 1: should be helping with caregiving and domestic chores as a 1721 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,479 Speaker 1: as an equal partner in your relationship, as you and 1722 01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,720 Speaker 1: your partner and your wife. That's right, your wife, uh 1723 01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,600 Speaker 1: see fit. But if if I were married, which I 1724 01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:15,360 Speaker 1: am not, and my wife was like, you're you're in 1725 01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,200 Speaker 1: charge of all this stuff because I want to go 1726 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,479 Speaker 1: to the Women's March for equality, I'd be like, honey, 1727 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,800 Speaker 1: we gotta have a talk. We gotta have a little 1728 01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,320 Speaker 1: sit down here. Also of note, because I told you 1729 01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:29,480 Speaker 1: about the socialist roots of this whole International Women's say international, 1730 01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, blank anything women's and Women's Day, workers Day, 1731 01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,799 Speaker 1: you name it, except for International Puppy Day. That's awesome 1732 01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,400 Speaker 1: across the board. No questions asked, no doubt about it. 1733 01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:42,360 Speaker 1: Is that a thing? I don't know. If it's not 1734 01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:45,519 Speaker 1: a thing it should be. It probably is. I'm pretty sure. 1735 01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,760 Speaker 1: I had somebody on ONTs for International Sloth Day, and 1736 01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,880 Speaker 1: she was a sloth expert, and she was an excellent guest. 1737 01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,600 Speaker 1: But they're asked, why should you wear red? And The 1738 01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,400 Speaker 1: organizers say that they selected the color red to represent quote, 1739 01:33:57,439 --> 01:34:01,519 Speaker 1: revolutionary love and sacrifice, and red also has a history 1740 01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,439 Speaker 1: with the labor movement, i e. They want the ladies 1741 01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:10,479 Speaker 1: to wear red because hashtag commies and socialists, because that's 1742 01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,720 Speaker 1: where the origin has all comes from. Never mind what 1743 01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:17,240 Speaker 1: status movements, whether socialist, communists or otherwise. Due to the 1744 01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,000 Speaker 1: family and their efforts, and we could go back, we 1745 01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:21,800 Speaker 1: could go marks and angles on this. Oh, there are 1746 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,479 Speaker 1: so many discussions I want to have with you about 1747 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,640 Speaker 1: the destruction of the family as a central goal of 1748 01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,720 Speaker 1: the central planners. But no tomorrows it's gonna be a 1749 01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,560 Speaker 1: lot of women watching around like we hate Trump, we 1750 01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,920 Speaker 1: want more equality. It's like, well, if you have equality, 1751 01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,519 Speaker 1: do you do you get more equality? Doesn't that make 1752 01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,680 Speaker 1: it not equal? I know, crazy questions I'm asking here. 1753 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:46,920 Speaker 1: We've got more back in a few Buck Sexton, with 1754 01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,120 Speaker 1: America now where there is always something to talk about, 1755 01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,679 Speaker 1: where you can trade opinions with Buck. I'm not sure 1756 01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:56,200 Speaker 1: you'll win though. Just call eight four four nine hundred Buck. 1757 01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:00,200 Speaker 1: That's eight four four nine dred to eight to five. 1758 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:05,479 Speaker 1: All right, Buck, you're on. We've got our friend Emily 1759 01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,120 Speaker 1: Zanati from heat Street joining us now where she is 1760 01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,960 Speaker 1: the political editor, Emily. Great to have you a lot 1761 01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:13,920 Speaker 1: of heat Street talk this week because of the whole 1762 01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:18,080 Speaker 1: piece about the FISA and the Trump. Yeah, we actually 1763 01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:20,960 Speaker 1: were one of the first outlets that uncovered the Five 1764 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:26,200 Speaker 1: of Courts had actually said that they would not put 1765 01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,120 Speaker 1: here a warrant. This was back in November, so we 1766 01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,000 Speaker 1: got to be on the front lines of that this week. 1767 01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,479 Speaker 1: So there you go. People were talking about people talking 1768 01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,280 Speaker 1: about it a lot, so heat Street in the headlines 1769 01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,880 Speaker 1: speaking of headlines and heat Street. Oh look, that's silky 1770 01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:44,720 Speaker 1: smooth transition. Mr Sexton, well done. Let's get let's get 1771 01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:48,920 Speaker 1: it going here with your your piece socially aware babysitting club. 1772 01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:52,719 Speaker 1: Let's liberal parents go protests while kids learn the ways 1773 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,600 Speaker 1: of the left. Is this about the Day Without a 1774 01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,880 Speaker 1: Woman March tomorrow? It claim it is. So it turns 1775 01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:03,160 Speaker 1: out there a why of protests and boycotts and all 1776 01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:06,200 Speaker 1: of these confusing activist things that are happening right now. 1777 01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:08,679 Speaker 1: And if you have kids and you're also a social 1778 01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,400 Speaker 1: justice warrior, it's really hard to find somebody to pawn 1779 01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,800 Speaker 1: your children off of while you go and pursue your 1780 01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:18,280 Speaker 1: social justice agenda. So this system will actually provide for 1781 01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,920 Speaker 1: that are while you go in protests, and they will 1782 01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:25,760 Speaker 1: educate your children in the ways of social justice while 1783 01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,040 Speaker 1: you're gone. Do you think they'll tell people that the 1784 01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,679 Speaker 1: origins of the International Women's Day are from a bunch 1785 01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:33,080 Speaker 1: of like left wing comy types. Are they just gonna 1786 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,760 Speaker 1: keep that under reps? I think they're gonna keep that 1787 01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,160 Speaker 1: one under wraps. Yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame 1788 01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:40,840 Speaker 1: history people. They need to know it. The kids need 1789 01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,639 Speaker 1: to be taught the history stuff. But of course they will. 1790 01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,280 Speaker 1: Other than the founding fathers were evil in America is 1791 01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:50,840 Speaker 1: a horrible and flawed, forever out, racist and evil colonial enterprise, 1792 01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:52,960 Speaker 1: which I'm glad the kids are all learning that in 1793 01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,000 Speaker 1: school now because that's gonna that's gonna help them later 1794 01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,160 Speaker 1: in life. Um but but on a digress there, what 1795 01:36:57,200 --> 01:36:59,000 Speaker 1: are you expecting tomorrow? What are your peeps? What are 1796 01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,120 Speaker 1: your sources telling you about this? As you are a woman, 1797 01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:04,799 Speaker 1: uh so, not that that would give you any insights 1798 01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,639 Speaker 1: other than I suppose you could go to this march 1799 01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,880 Speaker 1: and be accepted as one, whereas I am a man, 1800 01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:11,479 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to stay at home and help with chores, 1801 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,839 Speaker 1: I'm told by the organizers, But what are you expecting 1802 01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:16,720 Speaker 1: for tomorrow? And is there a companion march in Chicago's 1803 01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:20,479 Speaker 1: only in d C. So actually, I'm in Phoenix today 1804 01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,120 Speaker 1: at spring training for the Cubs, and I have no 1805 01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,920 Speaker 1: idea if we are actually going to participate in some 1806 01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:29,680 Speaker 1: sort of march tomorrow. But from what I understand, it 1807 01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,080 Speaker 1: is actually a day off for all women. So they 1808 01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,639 Speaker 1: are supposed to stay in their homes, they're not supposed 1809 01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:37,920 Speaker 1: to leave, they're not supposed to buy anything. If they 1810 01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,479 Speaker 1: do go out, it should be so you know, they're 1811 01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,800 Speaker 1: supposed to wear red and solidarity with each other. It's 1812 01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:50,160 Speaker 1: not so we thought out. Frankly, I haven't. I already 1813 01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,200 Speaker 1: had one bite at the apple here with the Women's 1814 01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:58,080 Speaker 1: March before, which was the messaging there would to be charitable, 1815 01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:03,000 Speaker 1: could be called muddled, unclear. Why don't we see something 1816 01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,640 Speaker 1: different now? If why? Why can't there be equality for 1817 01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:10,040 Speaker 1: all women? I told everybody that they're including transgender women 1818 01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:13,639 Speaker 1: in this, so they want equality in fact for women 1819 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:17,040 Speaker 1: who are not women. An interesting, interesting addition to this, 1820 01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,559 Speaker 1: And they don't seem to have thought about what happens 1821 01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:24,320 Speaker 1: if tomorrow actually goes really smoothly for everyone who's not 1822 01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:27,400 Speaker 1: a woman. If they suddenly disappear from the face of 1823 01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:30,479 Speaker 1: the earth tomorrow when nothing changes, then it's not exactly 1824 01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:33,680 Speaker 1: going to pursue their political attendance. I just wish they 1825 01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,080 Speaker 1: could point to an area of the law that they 1826 01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,960 Speaker 1: wish there were where they believe there should be change, 1827 01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,240 Speaker 1: when we we've already had all kinds of changes done 1828 01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:45,160 Speaker 1: because of gender discrimination, either in the past, perceived, perceived 1829 01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:47,599 Speaker 1: or real, including all the stuff they've done with Title nine. 1830 01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,280 Speaker 1: So you know now, for example, there are schools where 1831 01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,080 Speaker 1: they had to get rid of, you know, the university level, 1832 01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,040 Speaker 1: to get rid of wrestling teams because they need to 1833 01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:55,479 Speaker 1: balance it out and they need to have, you know, 1834 01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,760 Speaker 1: the women's crew. We always joke around the women's crew 1835 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,800 Speaker 1: team at the University of massachut sits because it was 1836 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,040 Speaker 1: a varsity team versus the men's crew team at the 1837 01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,320 Speaker 1: University of University of Massachusetts. Because crew is an expensive sport. 1838 01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:08,400 Speaker 1: So at some of these schools they love to throw 1839 01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,519 Speaker 1: money at very at high dollar women's sports when they can, 1840 01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,120 Speaker 1: because they want to have the football team for the 1841 01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:14,640 Speaker 1: men and all either stuff. They throw the money at 1842 01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,200 Speaker 1: so you end up getting this this bizarre circumstance where 1843 01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,680 Speaker 1: it's not based on student need or interest. It's like 1844 01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:22,559 Speaker 1: if if you're the women's crew team at you mask, 1845 01:39:22,640 --> 01:39:25,600 Speaker 1: you know you were getting the the the BMW, the 1846 01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,840 Speaker 1: maserati of cru shells, which costs like thirty grand to 1847 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:36,000 Speaker 1: row around in. Yeah, yep. And actually, if you think 1848 01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,479 Speaker 1: about it, there's already a ton of laws on the 1849 01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:43,000 Speaker 1: books that man date equality. If you do not treat 1850 01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:44,880 Speaker 1: the women, if you do not pay the women the 1851 01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,880 Speaker 1: same as you would pay a man, you're in big 1852 01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,360 Speaker 1: legal trouble. I feel like your man splanning right now 1853 01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:52,600 Speaker 1: as a woman to your fellow women, though, like, like 1854 01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:54,519 Speaker 1: right now, it's it's as though you've become a part 1855 01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:58,720 Speaker 1: of the patriarchy. I'm being absorbed into the patriarchy right 1856 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,400 Speaker 1: now for selling out the tree archy so hard right now, 1857 01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:05,000 Speaker 1: I don't even if if they're listening somewhere, they're very upset. Yeah, 1858 01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:07,400 Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, you're back to making sandwiches so 1859 01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:09,559 Speaker 1: I'm allowed to talk. Oh, that would be that would 1860 01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,519 Speaker 1: be such a that wouldn't even be a microaggression. It 1861 01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,720 Speaker 1: would be a macro aggression. And they would have to 1862 01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,639 Speaker 1: send you into a safe space somewhere. Let's get issue, 1863 01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,559 Speaker 1: let's get into the latest tea. So anyway, we got 1864 01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:23,080 Speaker 1: the Oh, women are getting tattoos of the Mitch McConnell 1865 01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,560 Speaker 1: quote in a protest against trum. I'm just saying this 1866 01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,160 Speaker 1: is also on his street. What's this all about. So 1867 01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:32,160 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell was the guy who told Elizabeth Warren to 1868 01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:36,280 Speaker 1: get off the floor while she was basically filibustering illegally 1869 01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:39,599 Speaker 1: on the floor of the summit, and at the time 1870 01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:48,200 Speaker 1: he told media that nevertheless, she persisted just like that. 1871 01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,360 Speaker 1: That's pretty good, right, that is that is pretty good. 1872 01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I've met this guy and here, yeah, you know, 1873 01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:56,479 Speaker 1: I could call you on the phone and be like, 1874 01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,720 Speaker 1: conall go ahead, Okay. I don't know why I had 1875 01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,519 Speaker 1: called me, But so now women are getting nevertheless she 1876 01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:09,759 Speaker 1: persisted quote tattooed on their lower backs because that doesn't 1877 01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:13,040 Speaker 1: seem like a strange place to put a tattoo. But 1878 01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:17,640 Speaker 1: they don't quite realize that this quote isn't actually Elizabeth 1879 01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,200 Speaker 1: Warren's quote. They seem to think that she has completely 1880 01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,320 Speaker 1: embraced it, but actually it turns out there inking the 1881 01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:29,000 Speaker 1: top of their cheeks with a Mitch McConnell quote. Wow, Mitch, 1882 01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:33,120 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell is marking marketing people up left and right. 1883 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,240 Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. I had I had no idea. I 1884 01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:38,559 Speaker 1: just saw this now, um T s A, and there's 1885 01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:41,160 Speaker 1: no easy way. This is a hard turn. T s 1886 01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,680 Speaker 1: A is telling people to prepare to be touched in 1887 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:47,320 Speaker 1: their sensitive areas because of the new path down technique, 1888 01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,000 Speaker 1: as if the T s A was not Actually I'm 1889 01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:52,200 Speaker 1: gonna be flying tomorrow. So hey, T s A, you're great, 1890 01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:53,960 Speaker 1: thank you for all you do. But is it the 1891 01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,280 Speaker 1: t s A did not have enough criticism and scrutiny. 1892 01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:59,360 Speaker 1: This is not going to help. Wait, so the t 1893 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,679 Speaker 1: s AS us that their agents cannot handle five separate 1894 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:06,519 Speaker 1: different protocols for pat downs. So instead they've rolled it 1895 01:42:06,600 --> 01:42:08,960 Speaker 1: all into one and they told their agents that they 1896 01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,360 Speaker 1: are now allowed to use the front part of their 1897 01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,400 Speaker 1: palm to get deep into those crevices if they think 1898 01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:18,080 Speaker 1: you are hiding and explosive. So they have said to 1899 01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:22,439 Speaker 1: people who are traveling to gird your loins. Essentially for 1900 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:25,360 Speaker 1: a much more intimate experience with the T s A 1901 01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,760 Speaker 1: than before. And even better is they've notified law enforcement 1902 01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:34,320 Speaker 1: that it's entirely possible that people will be making complete 1903 01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:38,720 Speaker 1: about uh certain assaults that they might feel from the 1904 01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:42,200 Speaker 1: t s A pat downs. Oh, this is gonna this 1905 01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,920 Speaker 1: is gonna result in in so many problems. But the 1906 01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,160 Speaker 1: Democratic Party wants you to know, America that these t 1907 01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:49,400 Speaker 1: s A pat downs are necessary because of all those 1908 01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:51,640 Speaker 1: right ring Tea Party terrorists. So just you know, be 1909 01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,240 Speaker 1: aware of that. That's that's the real threat. Don't be 1910 01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,040 Speaker 1: concerned about anything else. Um also want to ask you 1911 01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:01,760 Speaker 1: about Trump not acknowledging the this is Comy's claim that 1912 01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:04,720 Speaker 1: Trump Tower wasn't wire tap? What is what is Trump? Just? 1913 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:07,519 Speaker 1: Is he just ignoring it when people ask him about 1914 01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:09,760 Speaker 1: or is he not responding to press request? What's what 1915 01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:13,120 Speaker 1: is this all about? So they have not responded at all. Now, 1916 01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:16,960 Speaker 1: Comey has said that the FBI itself did not issue 1917 01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,000 Speaker 1: the wire taps, but he has asked the d o 1918 01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:23,439 Speaker 1: J to please clarify exactly who may have asked the 1919 01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:27,439 Speaker 1: fights of court for these wire taps permissions, if in 1920 01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,120 Speaker 1: fact they did happen. Now, unfortunately, just Sessions is at 1921 01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:33,160 Speaker 1: the head of the d o J, and Jeff Sessions 1922 01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:37,280 Speaker 1: has recused himself from any investigation into connections between Trump 1923 01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,640 Speaker 1: and Russia. So there's no one at the d o 1924 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,400 Speaker 1: J to say firmly that the wire taps didn't happen. 1925 01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,840 Speaker 1: Comey says they didn't, but the Trump White House is 1926 01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:47,720 Speaker 1: saying until we hear from the d o J, we're 1927 01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:51,320 Speaker 1: not willing to make Eddie claims that we are certain 1928 01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:53,439 Speaker 1: this did not happen. And you were telling me before. 1929 01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,560 Speaker 1: And I feel like this got lost in the translation 1930 01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:59,000 Speaker 1: of the huge media firestorm around all this. That heat 1931 01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:01,960 Speaker 1: streets reporting was that the there was a FISE request 1932 01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:04,320 Speaker 1: but it was turned down and there was no request 1933 01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,559 Speaker 1: that was approved. I thought that they had two requests, 1934 01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:09,599 Speaker 1: the second one was approved or is that the Guardian 1935 01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:13,280 Speaker 1: another paper you know that was the Guardian to share 1936 01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,560 Speaker 1: credit for this. He actually knew back in November that 1937 01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:19,519 Speaker 1: there was a FIFA a warrant put forth towards the 1938 01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,040 Speaker 1: FIE accort and the fi support turned it down. Now 1939 01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:25,759 Speaker 1: it turns out that the body that wanted this wire 1940 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,800 Speaker 1: top actually went back to the FIE apport with a 1941 01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:32,800 Speaker 1: much more narrowly tailored warrant and they got that approved. 1942 01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,720 Speaker 1: We thought that it was at Trump Tower, that is 1943 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:40,559 Speaker 1: not very clear right now, we think that it actually 1944 01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:44,960 Speaker 1: was in a server in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania that has to 1945 01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,439 Speaker 1: do with a Russian bank, so they were looking at 1946 01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:51,320 Speaker 1: a Russian banks interactions in the United States. So we 1947 01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:53,240 Speaker 1: still have a lot of details to fill in and 1948 01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,479 Speaker 1: our team is still working on it, but we have 1949 01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:59,200 Speaker 1: some of the very first reporting. Now, Louise Mench who 1950 01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,880 Speaker 1: broke the story and was your editor in chief at 1951 01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,120 Speaker 1: heat Street, is that, right or senior in chief? She 1952 01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,559 Speaker 1: she no longer is at heat Street, but she broke 1953 01:45:07,640 --> 01:45:11,000 Speaker 1: the story initially about Trump and and the visor request 1954 01:45:11,160 --> 01:45:13,599 Speaker 1: surrounding Trump in some capacity, right, she was the one, 1955 01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:18,120 Speaker 1: and she's very anti Trump, which I think he's interesting. Yeah, 1956 01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,080 Speaker 1: that's that's the name. I think she may have even 1957 01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:22,320 Speaker 1: tweeted everyone is being like, just wait until they just 1958 01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,680 Speaker 1: wait until the whole thing comes crashing down Buck and 1959 01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,200 Speaker 1: he's being frog marched out at the White House, and 1960 01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:30,680 Speaker 1: I was like, WHOA, really, it's like that's apparently it 1961 01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:35,599 Speaker 1: is like that. It is very very intense, and she's 1962 01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,760 Speaker 1: a great investigator, so I I guess I don't know. 1963 01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,200 Speaker 1: She didn't say exactly that Deserbator says, but it was 1964 01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:42,880 Speaker 1: clear to me that she thinks that this is gonna 1965 01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:44,639 Speaker 1: go somewhere. You know, we should have her on the show. 1966 01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:46,000 Speaker 1: I know she was on Fox last time. I'm just 1967 01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,280 Speaker 1: realizing this now. Well, we'll invite Luisan that she can 1968 01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:49,840 Speaker 1: tell us. But I just remember seeing a tweet for 1969 01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:53,880 Speaker 1: I was like, ohh she Russia is running Trump and 1970 01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:57,439 Speaker 1: and this is okay, okay, good to know. But I 1971 01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:00,679 Speaker 1: think it's interesting that that that the Visor West itself 1972 01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:03,679 Speaker 1: is now being used by many Trump supporters and Trump 1973 01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,920 Speaker 1: defenders as evidence of Obama overreach, when originally it came 1974 01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,679 Speaker 1: from somebody who was of the Trump is a Russia 1975 01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:14,559 Speaker 1: whatever you know, part of this Russia conspiracy. Uh. Yeah, 1976 01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,120 Speaker 1: it's a crazy It's basically a crazy world we live in, Emily. 1977 01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:21,200 Speaker 1: It is a lot of loose threads. It's very crazy. 1978 01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:23,960 Speaker 1: Every day gets a little bit crazier. All right. Well, 1979 01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm just sad I'm gonna have to miss out on 1980 01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,760 Speaker 1: the Day without a Woman tomorrow in in d C. 1981 01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:32,040 Speaker 1: But I look forward to seeing all of the uh 1982 01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:36,360 Speaker 1: anatomically far too correct and profane signs and all the 1983 01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:38,679 Speaker 1: other stuff. Do you think it will be there again 1984 01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:40,080 Speaker 1: or have they Will they clean up the act a 1985 01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,639 Speaker 1: little bit from the Women's March, which was like, whoa, ladies, 1986 01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:46,400 Speaker 1: there are children watching. I am one. There will all 1987 01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:49,160 Speaker 1: be there again. I don't think they even hold protests 1988 01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:54,800 Speaker 1: without complete costume. Oh man, well, everybody, I can't give 1989 01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,960 Speaker 1: you because this is radio, but the visuals. Just open 1990 01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:00,880 Speaker 1: the interwebs tomorrow. Type in news and Women's March and 1991 01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:04,679 Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, WHOA crazy world? All right? Emily 1992 01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:07,639 Speaker 1: our friend from heat Street where she's political editor, please 1993 01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:10,120 Speaker 1: check out her latest on heat street dot com. Emily, 1994 01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:15,599 Speaker 1: good to have you go eight four four nine hundred 1995 01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:17,720 Speaker 1: eight to five if you want to throw in some 1996 01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:20,920 Speaker 1: comments here before we get into our last few minutes together, 1997 01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:24,360 Speaker 1: which makes me very sad of the evening um, But 1998 01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:29,240 Speaker 1: we gotta go to brakes. We'll be right back, team. 1999 01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:31,280 Speaker 1: I want to close out the the day with you 2000 01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:35,760 Speaker 1: today with a note of hope, and for that we 2001 01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:39,800 Speaker 1: can turn to the one and only our friend, Representative 2002 01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,720 Speaker 1: Louis Gohmert of Texas, who was asked about the GOP's 2003 01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,879 Speaker 1: healthcare plan, and he shared the following nugget of wisdom. 2004 01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:50,240 Speaker 1: But I'm glad we finally got a bill out. It's 2005 01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:56,559 Speaker 1: not pages it's uh, it's a starting point. So as 2006 01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,559 Speaker 1: long as we're able to get amendments to the floor 2007 01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:04,679 Speaker 1: that will fix some huge problems with the bill that's 2008 01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:08,599 Speaker 1: now been filed, then we'll be okay. I think amidst 2009 01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:12,960 Speaker 1: the horse excrement, we can find a pony around here somewhere, 2010 01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,360 Speaker 1: and that's what we're gonna be looking to have. I 2011 01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:17,200 Speaker 1: think we'll have a race horse as long as we 2012 01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:20,800 Speaker 1: get a good amendments when we're done. Yeah, I'm hoping 2013 01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:24,320 Speaker 1: we can find a pony too. Over there, borrow from 2014 01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:27,479 Speaker 1: from from Louis there for a second, and I think 2015 01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:30,639 Speaker 1: that there's certainly room for improvement here. But I believe 2016 01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:33,760 Speaker 1: that at some point the conversation will shift, There'll be 2017 01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:37,360 Speaker 1: a switch, and all of a sudden people will realize, 2018 01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,679 Speaker 1: and I mean all of us who have been looking 2019 01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:43,080 Speaker 1: at Obamacare as deeply flawed and problematic for years, that yes, 2020 01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:47,600 Speaker 1: it certainly is all that is true, but the replacement 2021 01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,560 Speaker 1: of it is not going to necessarily do many of 2022 01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:55,080 Speaker 1: the things that I think are broadly expected to happen 2023 01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,040 Speaker 1: when you all of a sudden get the repeal un 2024 01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:01,280 Speaker 1: replaced in place were also since ran. Hopefully we've got 2025 01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,160 Speaker 1: Paul Ryan too, has been out there on the stump 2026 01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:10,200 Speaker 1: defending this and clip twenty five Paul Ryan Obamacare mercy. Please, 2027 01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:17,680 Speaker 1: let's not forget Obamacare is collapsing. Obamacare isn't staying. If 2028 01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:21,240 Speaker 1: we did nothing, the law would collapse and leave everybody 2029 01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:26,000 Speaker 1: without affordable healthcare. We are doing a act of mercy 2030 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:29,400 Speaker 1: by repealing this law and replacing it with patient centered 2031 01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,479 Speaker 1: healthcare reforms that we as conservatives have been arguing for 2032 01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:37,360 Speaker 1: and fighting for for years. I hope he is right. 2033 01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:41,320 Speaker 1: There's a lot riding on this, you know. One of 2034 01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:45,160 Speaker 1: the truths I think at this point that we all 2035 01:49:45,320 --> 01:49:50,400 Speaker 1: must embrace and accept is that the Republican Party has 2036 01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:52,680 Speaker 1: been saying for a long time now, for us, for 2037 01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:56,160 Speaker 1: longer than I've even been working in media, so gone 2038 01:49:56,160 --> 01:50:00,160 Speaker 1: on six years. They've been saying that all all we 2039 01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:02,040 Speaker 1: need is to be in a position of power and 2040 01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:06,840 Speaker 1: have the have the government levers in our hands, and 2041 01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:09,320 Speaker 1: we'll make the decisions that get it done for you. 2042 01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:10,920 Speaker 1: Will will do the right things when it comes to 2043 01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:14,160 Speaker 1: not just healthcare, any number of areas, but health care 2044 01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:16,720 Speaker 1: has been a primary one, and I think you can 2045 01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:19,759 Speaker 1: see from some of the early moves from the House GOP. 2046 01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:24,559 Speaker 1: There's a recognition that some of the ideas the Democrats 2047 01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:27,519 Speaker 1: push forward with Obamacare, whether they're free market or not, 2048 01:50:28,439 --> 01:50:33,840 Speaker 1: whether they are up to individual choice or not, are popular. 2049 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,720 Speaker 1: And Trump's residents keep in mind, I think on the 2050 01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:39,759 Speaker 1: policy front with a lot of people across the country, 2051 01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,640 Speaker 1: is that his promise has been to do things that 2052 01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,759 Speaker 1: are popular with the American people, not with the elites, 2053 01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:49,320 Speaker 1: not with particular special interest groups, but have broad and 2054 01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:55,000 Speaker 1: sweeping popularity among many Americans. And if they approach the 2055 01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:59,000 Speaker 1: healthcare bill in that way, I wouldn't think that it 2056 01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:04,200 Speaker 1: will necessarily be the free market conservative, individual based and 2057 01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:07,519 Speaker 1: individual responsibility based. Another very important component of all this, 2058 01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:10,760 Speaker 1: because remember what I'm saying to you about this, Many 2059 01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:13,720 Speaker 1: others will not tell you this. And I've spoken to 2060 01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,240 Speaker 1: the healthcare experts, as I said to you before, some 2061 01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:18,400 Speaker 1: of them are friends of mine on air, off air, 2062 01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:21,280 Speaker 1: and following this issue for for years as closely as 2063 01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:23,320 Speaker 1: I can, because it does really affect all of us. 2064 01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean, every time you go to the doctor, you 2065 01:51:25,320 --> 01:51:27,360 Speaker 1: get a bill in the mail, anything, right, you're dealing 2066 01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,760 Speaker 1: with the family policies for your kids. We all want 2067 01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:35,320 Speaker 1: to believe that there's a way to make this UM 2068 01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:39,080 Speaker 1: not very costly. And if you want access to the 2069 01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:43,040 Speaker 1: best care in the world, a very advanced drugs and treatments, 2070 01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:47,040 Speaker 1: and especially when you really need them, there are costs 2071 01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,800 Speaker 1: to these things. And when you look at what has 2072 01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:51,240 Speaker 1: happened in Europe, I know, we like to think of 2073 01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, Europe, and it's like, oh, the French, they 2074 01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:55,920 Speaker 1: don't even show up for work well in the two 2075 01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,920 Speaker 1: days a week and are so lazy, and you know, well, no, 2076 01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:03,559 Speaker 1: the European countries have embraced some of these policies about 2077 01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,720 Speaker 1: health care really as a human right, as opposed to 2078 01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:10,759 Speaker 1: healthcare as a commodity, and we have, whether we recognize 2079 01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:12,600 Speaker 1: it or not, in many ways done that too. In 2080 01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:17,080 Speaker 1: this country, UM Medicare is considered to be politically untouchable 2081 01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,160 Speaker 1: and emergency room visits now whether no matter who you are, 2082 01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,519 Speaker 1: of course, and I can understand that I agree. I'm 2083 01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:26,000 Speaker 1: not saying I don't agree with these I'm just saying that, uh. 2084 01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,799 Speaker 1: And then beyond that, there's Medicaid, which is a welfare 2085 01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:31,280 Speaker 1: health care program for the poor. And you look at 2086 01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,240 Speaker 1: our health care spending by the government in the way 2087 01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:36,360 Speaker 1: that money is doled out, and government's still going to 2088 01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:39,280 Speaker 1: be very involved in this whole process. So I guess 2089 01:52:39,320 --> 01:52:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to help both focus the conversation on the 2090 01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:45,280 Speaker 1: real route of the problem as well as manage expectations 2091 01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:48,080 Speaker 1: for what is going to come out of this whole process, 2092 01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:52,080 Speaker 1: because it is not going to be some iron randy 2093 01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:56,760 Speaker 1: in healthcare dream scheme. That much I can promise you. Alright, team, 2094 01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:59,600 Speaker 1: please download the show iTunes a great place to subscribe. 2095 01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,240 Speaker 1: Bucks Action with America now back with you tomorrow. Night 2096 01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:03,080 Speaker 1: Shield's Hot