WEBVTT - 2026 U.S. Amateur and Merion Golf Club Preview

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.

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<v Speaker 2>When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in.

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<v Speaker 3>A brid egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg Frida,

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<v Speaker 3>egg Frida, egg Frida egg bride egg lie, I'm about

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<v Speaker 3>ready to run off the golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. Today I am

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<v Speaker 2>joined by two great guests to talk about the US

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<v Speaker 2>am This is one of the events that I am

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<v Speaker 2>most excited about the rest of the golf calendar. The

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<v Speaker 2>US Amateur will be played next week at Marion Golf Club.

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<v Speaker 2>There will be extensive coverage on both Golf Channel and NBC.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I probably got more excited about this. I

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<v Speaker 2>spent a couple of days out at the Western m

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<v Speaker 2>last week at Beverly, which was a great tournament, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's an exciting year for am golf. Obviously, you have

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<v Speaker 2>the Walker Cup and that kind of adds to the

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<v Speaker 2>storylines for the US Amateur. But being at Marion, it

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<v Speaker 2>just gives us a kind of a check in on Marion,

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<v Speaker 2>which has undergone since we last saw it on you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it played the Curtis Cup, a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>but for a men's, big men stage. Last week saw

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<v Speaker 2>this was a twenty thirteen US Open that Justin Rose won.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't wait for this week. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be appointment television. It'll be it'll be just a

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating tournament to watch, and you know, we dive into

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<v Speaker 2>it with two guests here. Up first, we'll be Brentley

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<v Speaker 2>Romine from Golf Channel. He will be talking kind of

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<v Speaker 2>about storylines and players for the US AM. Brentley does

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<v Speaker 2>exceptional work on the collegiate and amateur game as well

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<v Speaker 2>as covering the pro game. You know, someone that is

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<v Speaker 2>versed in kind of covering young players and then just

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<v Speaker 2>knowing everybody's backstory on the PGA Tour because of his

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<v Speaker 2>coverage of junior and amateur golf over the years. So

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<v Speaker 2>great to have Brentley on. And then Garrett Morrison joins

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<v Speaker 2>me to talk about Marion for about thirty minutes, which

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<v Speaker 2>was which was a joy. So one of the great

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<v Speaker 2>American venues and in the next wave of young stars. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Miles Russell has been having quite a summer. Preston Stout

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<v Speaker 2>will be in the field. Should be an awesome, awesome tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>get to Brentley Romi. All right, Brentley, welcome on. It

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<v Speaker 2>is peak amateur golf season. The Western Am just wrapped up.

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<v Speaker 2>The USAM is barreling down. It'll be played next week

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<v Speaker 2>at Marion Golf Club and really it's kind of the

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<v Speaker 2>last tournament before Walker Cup selections. It's a rare back

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<v Speaker 2>to back Walker Cup year. They'll be playing at La

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<v Speaker 2>Hinch And it seems like there's just a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>storylines to talk about. And I think, you know, just generally,

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<v Speaker 2>in the last couple of years, there's been a few

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<v Speaker 2>with expanded coverage, there's been a few events that have

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<v Speaker 2>really I think started to grow and pop popularity, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's really I think the us AM. I think if

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<v Speaker 2>you go back, I think one of the big splashes

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<v Speaker 2>for the USAM most of the Banded Dudes USAM where

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<v Speaker 2>it was on in primetime, and it felt like a

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<v Speaker 2>real moment for the USAM where it started kind of

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<v Speaker 2>to grow in popularity. And I think last year was

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<v Speaker 2>a really wonderful year for the USAM. Obviously you had

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<v Speaker 2>the Nile Shields down again story, which was a huge story,

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<v Speaker 2>and again on in primetime at Olympic Club. And this

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<v Speaker 2>year you go to one of the most famous golf

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<v Speaker 2>courses in the world. Marion, I think it'll be an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing tournament. What is your favorite part of covering the

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<v Speaker 2>amateur game? You, I would say, are on the forefront.

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<v Speaker 2>You cover the men's professional game and the amateur game.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to the majors of both of these levels

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<v Speaker 2>of play. What's your favorite part of ring the amateur scene?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first off, any thanks for having me on. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 3>you talk about how it's grown in stature since like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty. It's hard for me to tell, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been obsessed with it, you know, since I started

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<v Speaker 3>covering golfer Golf Week back in twenty eleven, twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think that's that's right, and probably my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite part about it is and This is really kind

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<v Speaker 3>of amateur college golf writ large too, Like it's just

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<v Speaker 3>telling the stories that people probably haven't heard yet. Like

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<v Speaker 3>Nile shields Don again, like we had heard about him.

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<v Speaker 3>We had heard about his dad, you know, our buddy

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<v Speaker 3>Lawrence Donagan, a former journalist and rock star, but no

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<v Speaker 3>one had heard in the general golf public about Nile

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<v Speaker 3>shields Don. Again. Same for Jimmy Abdo. I mean, Abdomania

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<v Speaker 3>was really storyline b last year at Olympic Club coming

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<v Speaker 3>over from Lebanon, and like, to me, those are the

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<v Speaker 3>stories that I like to get in and tell and

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<v Speaker 3>talk to family, talk to college coaches or instructors or whoever.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you watch these really cool Cinderella runs. You

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<v Speaker 3>just really don't get that. And professional golf because I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>to be on the PGA Tour you have to earn

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<v Speaker 3>your card and you know they're getting rid of Monday

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<v Speaker 3>qualifiers pretty much across the board, so you don't get

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of story like you do out of us

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<v Speaker 3>am plus, like you've said this a lot, the golf course.

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<v Speaker 3>If the golf course isn't one of the main storylines

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<v Speaker 3>going in, it's probably not going to be a very

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<v Speaker 3>good golf tournament and with USGA championships, the golf course

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<v Speaker 3>is usually always one of the story, you know, top stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think this year will be probably the

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<v Speaker 2>big story. I think we're gonna kind of track down

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<v Speaker 2>three stories for this year's us AM. There's three big storylines.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you're gonna give us some players to watch. The

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<v Speaker 2>golf course to me is the big, big story this week.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. Last time it hosted a big time championship

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<v Speaker 2>was the twenty thirteen US Open. Justin Rose obviously won it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a kind of a moment in

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<v Speaker 2>time in terms of the golf course setup. It was

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<v Speaker 2>extremely narrow fairways, extremely penal rough set up to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of curb scoring. It wasn't really putting Marion on display.

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<v Speaker 2>Since then, the golf course has been had a historical

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<v Speaker 2>renovation by gil Hants. They are much wider fairways, corridors.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like those from the renovation are exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>will be put out there this year this week for

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<v Speaker 2>the USAM and it feels like a real, i would

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<v Speaker 2>say test run for the twenty thirty US Open which

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<v Speaker 2>will be held there. This is a golf course that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe can stretch just a nudge over seven

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<v Speaker 2>thousand yards. It is not a long golf course. The

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<v Speaker 2>par threes are are very long there. You're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot where you're gonna get long irons as par

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<v Speaker 2>threes and par fives. There are a lot of wedges available.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am fascinated to see how Marion will play

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<v Speaker 2>for the world's best amateur players. You were out there

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<v Speaker 2>for media day. Was that the first time you've been

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<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, first time I had been in the Philadelphia area.

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<v Speaker 3>We played. We got in fourteen holes, so I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>play one through three or eighteen, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had the same the main you get the

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<v Speaker 2>main hits.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean we started on on four and

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<v Speaker 3>had a nice chip in on six and the one thing.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of things I did notice, And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>keep in mind, this was two weeks ago. There's probably

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<v Speaker 3>you know, almost a month run up before the actual championship.

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<v Speaker 3>From that point, things were pretty soft, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was because of the rain and it was it

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<v Speaker 3>had been very humid, so things weren't as fast, Like

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<v Speaker 3>particularly on five, how that green slopes down and you

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<v Speaker 3>can play it off the right and have it kind

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<v Speaker 3>of run run down to the hole. It was very

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<v Speaker 3>difficult to do that. Play balls were kind of getting

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<v Speaker 3>hung up and so it was just really soft. And

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<v Speaker 3>then the rough was pretty gnarly and juicy around the greens.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Ben Kimball, the who had the set up there,

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<v Speaker 3>he said the goal is to start it at four inches.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't see that yet, kind of off the fairways.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was able to get six irons on the green,

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<v Speaker 3>including on sixteen where what do they call that little

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<v Speaker 3>courier at no man's land like on sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the sandy waste area, which you find

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<v Speaker 2>if you find yourself in there, probably feels like an.

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<v Speaker 3>Abyss and in a crazy green too, where there's like

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<v Speaker 3>that backshelf and that huge fall off and basically every

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<v Speaker 3>shot ends up in that front area unless you hit

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<v Speaker 3>a really good shot, so it's a really tough two put.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, the rough was not super thick, like, it

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<v Speaker 3>was very kind of patchy in spots. So hopefully that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they can get that I think it's bluegrass

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe they've changed it since back in the day,

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<v Speaker 3>but hopefully they can get that point super thick because

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, I mean, you you'd probably be

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<v Speaker 3>a better exploiner that than I would. But I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like maybe it's a good thing that you can take

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<v Speaker 3>on greens from the rough and not just have to

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<v Speaker 3>play hackout ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's a it's a balance, right, It's tricky, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like you just don't want it the I think the

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<v Speaker 2>balance in and high level Ben's golf is like, how

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<v Speaker 2>do we make it not a just a bomber fest

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<v Speaker 2>and reward accuracy? And I think Marion will do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that with just the the tilt in the greens,

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<v Speaker 2>there's just a lot of slope in the greens. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you reward accuracy and when you're when the golf

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<v Speaker 2>course is shorter, And I think in a way it

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<v Speaker 2>does because you you know, distance it a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>muted when you have so many holes that are you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sub four hundred yard par fours or sub four really

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<v Speaker 2>for the pro game or for the high level am game,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like sub four hundred and fifty yard par fours,

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<v Speaker 2>which is insane to think. I mean when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, four hundred and fifty yards seemed like it

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<v Speaker 2>was like a a mile a mile long. Part four

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's you know, driver wedge for these kids. But anyways, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I think, I'm I think we've seen this

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of courses where they've they've put the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of US am in the ahead of the of

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<v Speaker 2>the US Open as kind of like a test run,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they like to they like to see

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<v Speaker 2>how the course plays because it's super instructive of as

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<v Speaker 2>to where the the pro game will be in a

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<v Speaker 2>few years. I saw it last week. I was out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Western m a couple of days. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>amazing how good so many of these amateurs hit the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the real difference right now between high level

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<v Speaker 2>amateur players and pros is not necessarily it's it's mostly

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<v Speaker 2>decision making and and the ability to hit a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of off speed shots where and what I mean by

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<v Speaker 2>off speed shots is your your controlled wedges, your flighted wedges,

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<v Speaker 2>your your three quarter you know, hold off iron shots.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, if you thought about it in

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<v Speaker 2>pitching terms, it's developing your you know, your your third

0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.600
<v Speaker 2>and fourth pitches. These all these kids seemingly hit the

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<v Speaker 2>ball extraordinarily good, hit it out of the center really well,

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<v Speaker 2>and where they where they can brush up and get

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<v Speaker 2>take their games to the next level. Is around like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the finer points of the game, whether it

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<v Speaker 2>be short games and and and wedge play rather than

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's like just amazing to see.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and and that's why someone like Miles Russell is

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<v Speaker 3>so good at this age, and why Jackson Coyven's had success.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, guys who can do some of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that most of the elite amateurs can't, like, like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, like the decision making, the confidence, the short game,

0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of the creativity around the greens. And I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that's why Miles Russell's had some success is because the

0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:49.040
<v Speaker 3>short game is probably the best in amber golf, like

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<v Speaker 3>go even by far the best putter amongst the elite AMers.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's probably guys who play amateter golf at

0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:59.320
<v Speaker 3>some you know, lower level d one who's probably statistically

0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.000
<v Speaker 3>maybe a better putter than Jackson coyven, but at least

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of someone who's going to strike it at

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<v Speaker 3>an elite level as well, he's he's by far the

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<v Speaker 3>best I've seen. You mentioned the par four's like over

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred yards I count him. There's only six and

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<v Speaker 3>there's only two over five hundred, which you go back to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Oakmond and Cherry Hills and Pinehurst and all

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<v Speaker 3>these kind of US Open previews for these US Ams,

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<v Speaker 3>like pretty much every every part four was like four

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<v Speaker 3>sixty or or more unless it was set up as

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<v Speaker 3>like a short driveable part four. And so, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>that's interesting. You the total yardage is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>sixty nine thirty nine, which is only about seventy yards

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<v Speaker 3>more than it was in five when Dodo Molinari won

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<v Speaker 3>the last US Amateur at Marion. So I think that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of speaks to your point that you know, Marion's

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<v Speaker 3>defenses are are more than just adding length to holes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's nowhere to go.

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<v Speaker 3>It's twenty acres, I think, and it's like an.

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<v Speaker 2>L It's tiny, tiny, It's amazing the golf course fits

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<v Speaker 2>into the land. It does. I think the the the

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<v Speaker 2>big thing is, uh, this is gonna be a ball

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<v Speaker 2>control week. It's gonna be a week of restraint. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be curious to see. I think this is like the

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<v Speaker 2>big question of the tournament is if the rough is

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<v Speaker 2>at a manageable height, does but does bomb and gouge

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<v Speaker 2>become the prevalent UH strategy and the strategy that wins

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<v Speaker 2>out over someone you know, taking irons off te's and

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<v Speaker 2>being tactical. I personally think that restraint is gonna be key. Yeah,

0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna hit, You're gonna have to hit some drivers,

0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.480
<v Speaker 2>but there's gonna be a lot of holes where if

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<v Speaker 2>you can get yourself in the right spot, you will

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<v Speaker 2>you will have a huge, huge reward and being able

0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.679
<v Speaker 2>to control your spin and distance with a with a

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<v Speaker 2>wedge from the fairway. That's that's what I find just

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<v Speaker 2>with like the general belief of how you play golf

0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.120
<v Speaker 2>for these juniors is it is just drive it up

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<v Speaker 2>close and figure it out so often, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really curious to see if that becomes the prevalent

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<v Speaker 2>strategy out there. Let's get to some players who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like in terms of storylines, like what's your what's your

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<v Speaker 2>biggest player driven storyline?

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<v Speaker 3>Like to me, it's to me it is Miles. I

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<v Speaker 3>know Preston Stout's the top rank Dameter in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>and the top Rankdameter hasn't won the USM since Peter

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<v Speaker 3>yu Line in twenty two, who you know, by the way,

0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.199
<v Speaker 3>was an Oklahoma State cowboy as well. But to me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just Miles with the way that he's played the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to become the youngest US Amateur champ. Ever, he's

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<v Speaker 3>a few months younger than ben On was when when

0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:17.800
<v Speaker 3>he set the record, And I feel like at this stage,

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<v Speaker 3>like as a golf fan and kind of the golf community,

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<v Speaker 3>like we just love these young stars. I mean, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of the point of Jackson Coyven, Like we're just so

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<v Speaker 3>eager to jump on, like who's the next big thing?

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<v Speaker 3>And to me and everyone I've talked to, from scouts

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<v Speaker 3>to agents to equipment reps, like Miles is the real deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Like he is the best junior golfer that they've seen

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<v Speaker 3>since Tiger Woods, like hands down. And that's not just

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<v Speaker 3>like a couple people saying that, that's like the common thread.

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<v Speaker 3>And so for me, with the summer that he's had,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little bit worried about the amount of golf

0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.000
<v Speaker 3>he's played, you know, playing however many rounds that was

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<v Speaker 3>to make the final of the US Junior and then

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<v Speaker 3>deplay the Western and making into match play this week,

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<v Speaker 3>and now he's got a week off and turn around

0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.760
<v Speaker 3>and go play. You know, if he's going to win.

0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 3>He's got to play seven eight rounds of high level

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<v Speaker 3>championship golf. We'll see if he can. You know, he

0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 3>has the endurance to do that. He's kind of a

0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.560
<v Speaker 3>small guy and he's been struggling a little bit off

0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.520
<v Speaker 3>the tee and I think when you get tired, you

0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.520
<v Speaker 3>can get a little bit more wayward than usual. But again,

0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.800
<v Speaker 3>like if you say ball control like flighted wedges, short

0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.080
<v Speaker 3>game like can make putts like, to me, Miles is

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<v Speaker 3>built for this course. So along with a few other guys.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I really think that's probably the big

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<v Speaker 3>storyline is is Ken Miles Russell come out and do

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<v Speaker 3>what what Bobby Jones did way back in the day.

0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, people know, people know about nineteen thirty, right,

0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.040
<v Speaker 3>Bobby Jones completing the Grand Slam, But he won his

0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.439
<v Speaker 3>first us Am six years before at when I believe

0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.439
<v Speaker 3>he was around the same age as as Miles was.

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<v Speaker 3>So so to me, Miles is is storyline number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I you know, I think the you know, being

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<v Speaker 2>out at the Western Uh, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>stuck with me was just the gravity that he possessed

0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:27.879
<v Speaker 2>possesses he kind of has this like care free attitude.

0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:32.679
<v Speaker 2>His his demeanor inside the ropes, well there weren't ropes up,

0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:38.480
<v Speaker 2>but his demeanor while in the configurition is like very

0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 2>he's loose, you know, Like that's the thing. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>You see so many of these kids that are uptight

0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and trying to be something that they've been told they

0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.479
<v Speaker 2>need to be. I think one of the things I

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<v Speaker 2>took away from the week was like I'm amazed at

0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:57.359
<v Speaker 2>how comfortable he is in his own skin, and he

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly plays golf the way he is in real life,

0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.400
<v Speaker 2>right where he's just kind of got this like little,

0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.679
<v Speaker 2>this care free attitude, and you see it. He converses

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:12.080
<v Speaker 2>with the players, He converses with people, you know, he

0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 2>he kind of is a breath of fresh air in

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.800
<v Speaker 2>terms of like we see kind of this conveyor belt

0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 2>of players who act the same way, and it's like,

0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.080
<v Speaker 2>we can't we suppress all the emotions out of golf.

0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.199
<v Speaker 2>We suppressed like don't talk to your playing partners. We

0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.080
<v Speaker 2>have to be locked in, and he kind of is

0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:36.639
<v Speaker 2>the antithesis of that. And I'm pretty excited, you know,

0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I tend to be a contrarian. I'm pretty excited about

0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.240
<v Speaker 2>about Miles Russell. That being said, I think there's some

0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:48.920
<v Speaker 2>really really good other players like Tyler Watts, I think

0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.640
<v Speaker 2>is super impressive, not that much older than Miles Russell.

0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>And obviously you hit on press and stout, but but

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<v Speaker 2>I think you know, to your point about how much

0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 2>golf byles are playing, he's seventeen, I don't think. I

0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.399
<v Speaker 2>don't think he's worried about the violeage he's putting on.

0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:12.320
<v Speaker 2>I think this kid's out there loving what he's doing

0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.760
<v Speaker 2>and and just going at chasing championships. And you know,

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I think like a story is like he's come up

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<v Speaker 2>short a lot, you know here, whereas like he gets

0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to the semis of the Western he gets to the

0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:28.080
<v Speaker 2>finals of the US Junior, he comes up short. My

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<v Speaker 2>big question like can he punch through with the US

0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:32.760
<v Speaker 2>AM And it's so hard to do it in these

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 2>match play championships. There's fluky there. You know, anybody can

0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 2>beat anybody on a given day. What's more telling is

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:45.120
<v Speaker 2>is the obviously the stroke play results winning the Western AM.

0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, he's he's he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Something at the Junior too. Yeah, I mean, yeah, this

0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:51.600
<v Speaker 3>is the same championship.

0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:53.880
<v Speaker 2>It's the first player in history to do that medalists

0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.280
<v Speaker 2>of the Junior and medalist at the Western am I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean thanks to the great research of our

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 3>guy called golf book David Tennyson, Who I mean he

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 3>thought I liked college golf or left college golf. This

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 3>guy like eats, sleeps, and breathes college golf like he's awesome.

0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Like he's he's They've they've done this really cool website

0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 3>for college golf too, for record keeping and all that.

0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 3>But yes, I just wanted to give him a quick

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.400
<v Speaker 3>quick shout out. But one more thing on Miles too.

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.359
<v Speaker 3>Have you heard the uh and I think it's a

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 3>perfect nickname, But have you heard the nickname for Miles

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:30.040
<v Speaker 3>that I think sums it up really well? What Benjamin Button?

0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 3>So he looks like he's about twelve, but he acts

0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:36.000
<v Speaker 3>like he's like forty five, like he's been on tour

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.639
<v Speaker 3>for twenty years. I mean, the guy like he's like

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 3>talking to like a full grown adult and he's been

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.040
<v Speaker 3>that way for two or three years. So yeah, I mean,

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm a huge fan. He's actually he's actually fairly aggressive too,

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:51.959
<v Speaker 3>and I think that comes from the confidence. Like at

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 3>the US Open qualifier when Charlie was on the bag.

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Miles was in that playoff and my mind's blinking a

0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.560
<v Speaker 3>little bit. Get who he was. He was on that

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:04.200
<v Speaker 3>last playoff hole with because Ryder Cowan had gotten through

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 3>the hole before. But the guy he's playing against hooks

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 3>it into the water. It's a par five. All Miles

0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.800
<v Speaker 3>has to do is basically lay up and then wedgehn

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.800
<v Speaker 3>and make a par and then he's through. He just

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.960
<v Speaker 3>pulls out a five iron and flags it. And I

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 3>asked him afterwards, I'm like, did you think about playing

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 3>like laying up or you know, playing it safe? And

0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:25.719
<v Speaker 3>he just kind of like laughed and was like, now

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:28.439
<v Speaker 3>like like I'm going to hit the five, irony, why

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't I? So I just I love that he's like

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:36.400
<v Speaker 3>super confident in himself, super aggressive, and yeah, I just,

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, hope we don't get some some fluky winner.

0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Hopefully we get someone like Miles or pieced out.

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I mean there are a lot of names

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 2>on this list that wouldn't be fluky winners. And it'll

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.680
<v Speaker 2>be it'll be fascinating to see what you said about

0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 2>is like when you watch him do an interview, he

0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 2>does look like he's like a forty two year old

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:04.080
<v Speaker 2>tour pro the way, like just like his body language

0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:08.879
<v Speaker 2>in an interview is so comfortable. He's so comfortable talking

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 2>to people. It's it's wild to see.

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 3>He's also have you seen how many high level lefties

0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 3>there are coming up right now? To mean you mentioned

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 3>Tyler Watts, I mean Luke Colton. We haven't even talked

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 3>about Luke Colton. Another you know, he's going to Vanderbilt.

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean three b Reeby's lefty, Philip Dunnam. I believe

0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 3>is is a lefties going to Alabama. I mean there

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 3>there are tons like it's it's pretty insane, Like I

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 3>don't know what what could explain that.

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the proliferation of lefty clubs being available.

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 2>What honestly, like this sounds crazy. When I was a kid,

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, early two thousands, it was like hard to

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:54.959
<v Speaker 2>get left handed equipment and people would just be like,

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.880
<v Speaker 2>you're a righty, Like I.

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.879
<v Speaker 3>Played lefty, yeah, you do you right left handed?

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:06.159
<v Speaker 2>No? But I played hockey left handed, And I wonder like,

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 2>if it was different, would I have played golf left handed?

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:16.240
<v Speaker 2>But it was just not the time, uh then, to

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>to do that because equipment was just hard to find.

0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you could probably talk to Bacon about this.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Bacon is uh He's always like, well, I probably I

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 2>could be able to Whenever I talk about retro clubs,

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:27.960
<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, I probably won't be able to find

0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:30.400
<v Speaker 2>that club because it's hard to find left handed equipment

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:34.600
<v Speaker 2>like that. So, uh yeah, I think that's some of it.

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I think some of it's that, and there's I think

0:26:40.040 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a nature of some of the golf. I think

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>some golf design kind of like fits a fade or

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>fits a draw, and right handers used to hit more draws,

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 2>but now lefties hit fades on, you know, And I

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:04.439
<v Speaker 2>just think that's it's just you know, you could go

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:07.760
<v Speaker 2>through every golf course, but for example, like Augusta Nashville

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 2>is the famous one. It's way more advantage to be

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 2>a left hander than a right hander at Augusta. But

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.879
<v Speaker 2>in the eighties a lot more players hit draws because

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 2>back then, if you hit a draw, you hit it

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>twenty yards further than if you hit a fade, and

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>until the prov one came around, you couldn't hit the

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 2>fade as far as the draw. Now you hit a

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 2>draw and a fade basically the same distance in a

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 2>fade's way more controllable. But if you think about it,

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of golf golf courses were designed when

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>like right handers hit draws, and now no right handers

0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 2>hit draws and left handers hit fades that simulate effectively

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>a draw.

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Maybe, And there's I mean there's definitely some holes

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 3>that come to mind at Mary and I mean ten

0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 3>being one of them. Yeah, I mean that's really kind

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 3>of the only way to get at that green.

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, It's not just like or ten yeah, ten.

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, ten. Yeah, the driveable.

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Fives a lot better if you sixteen you're left.

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Right to left, yeah, twelve is is a is massive

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 3>left to right. That's the one thing I noticed too,

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 3>is there's a lot of like diversity, like from hole

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 3>to hole, Like you're not hitting really the same club

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 3>off the tee more than maybe two holes in a row,

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Like you're going right to left, left to right. I'm

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 3>not a huge fan of the par fives on two

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 3>and four, Like those are the only par fives you get,

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:44.719
<v Speaker 3>and they're in the first like four holes. I'm not

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 3>like a huge fan of that, But I mean I

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 3>do like quirkiness, and that's probably as quirky as it gets.

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>But part is just a social construct, so especially once

0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>you get to match play, it doesn't.

0:28:57.160 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 3>Matter, right, correct, Yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess.

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 2>What's what's your third storyline to watch?

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean third storyline? And this will get a bunch

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 3>of other players in the mix for us to talk about,

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 3>but it's it's the Walker Cup. You mentioned it off

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 3>the top, and the first time since the mid twenties,

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 3>I believe that we've had a Walker Cup in back

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 3>to back years. Obviously they're trying to get back away

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:28.480
<v Speaker 3>from being in a Ryder Cup year, so so to me,

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 3>that's that's always storyline number one when it is a

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 3>year that we're playing a Walker Cup going into the

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 3>USAM not only because it's the final chance for guys

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 3>to earn a pick, but it's also, you know, now

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 3>the final chance for someone to grab an automatic spot

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.200
<v Speaker 3>by winning, because the you know, if an American wins

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 3>who's not on the team like Mason Howell did last year,

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 3>like they're on, so that could throw a wrench in everything.

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 3>But I usually when I prognosticate, I like to operate

0:29:57.280 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 3>as if someone's going to win who's already on the

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 3>team or they're not American. So right now, like I'll

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 3>just give it kind of a brief rundown. We have

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 3>four guys already on the US team, and we'll say

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 3>the CHP and I talk for you know, another day,

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 3>because who knows what they're going to end up doing.

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 2>I pulled up the wagger real quick before we get

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 2>to the GB and I talk. This has got to

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>be the strongest GB and I team in a long

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>long time.

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's yes, but there's a big concern at the

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.680
<v Speaker 3>top because Tyler Weaver, who's second in the world Amber

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 3>golf ranking from Florida State, he hasn't played since the

0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 3>a SEC Championship. He's got a back issue. You know.

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.280
<v Speaker 3>The last that I've I've talked to Trey Jones, the

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 3>coach at at Florida State, Tyler was going to try

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 3>to play the US M. The back's been been a

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 3>major problem, and I think there's some really concern that

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 3>he's not going to be be healthy enough to play

0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 3>in the Walker Cup. So that could I mean, that

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 3>would be a huge loss because I mean, Tyler Weaver

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 3>is the guy who you know they put up against

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Jackson Coven last year at Cyprus Point and he held

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 3>his own. He played well. But yeah, I mean you're

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.440
<v Speaker 3>you're right. But behind that you have Nile obviously going

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 3>to be back on the team. Connor Graham is someone

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 3>who I kind of tabbed as a potential. He's not

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 3>really a sleeper, but to most people he probably would

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 3>be a little bit of a surprise winner next week.

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 3>And that's just because the guy has a crazy short game,

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 3>crazy between the ears. He has a temperament that I

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 3>that I think is probably fiery, to put it mildly,

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 3>So who knows. I mean, he could he could get

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.520
<v Speaker 3>upset and uh, you know, break every club in his

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 3>bag and and and have to w D But uh

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 3>but no, he's He shot sixty one at the South

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 3>of Iris or sixty two at the South of Ireland

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.640
<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks ago, so he's he's in top form.

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I really like Connor Graham this week,

0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 3>and I think they'll probably get like six of the

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 3>five or six guys from last year squad on and

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 3>then it's all about do they want to take some irishmen?

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Is David Howell lad even though he's way off the

0:32:01.640 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 3>radar wagger wise, does qualifying for the Open and playing

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 3>well at the South of Ireland, does that make you

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 3>know the the Irish people you know, with it being

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 3>at Lahinish, does that, you know, make them want to

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 3>include more more Irishman. So I think that's that's interesting.

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 3>But as far as the US team, Preston Stout's already on,

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Ethan Fang's already on. College teammates they played last year,

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 3>Miles Russell, Tyler Watts already on. So those are the four.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 3>I have three locks. We'll start with with Big stew

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 3>probably going to play in a sixth straight Walker Cup.

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 3>There's been some maybe pushback in the mid amateur community.

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 3>I guess a lot of people believe Christian Cavaliery he's

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 3>had a great, great year. I believe he was runner

0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 3>up at the Ike, he was third at the Coleman.

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 3>The thing is it qualified for the US AM but

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 3>he hasn't played any elite amateur events this summer. Whereas

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Stuart has gone employed the Southern Am. He was top

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 3>ten there. He was the low kind of American mid

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 3>am at the Northeast finished in the top twenty five

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 3>or so. Only mismatch play by a couple shots this

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 3>week at the Western So to me, other than maybe

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Brandon Holtz, who's the reigning US Midam champ who hasn't

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 3>done anything since, to me, no one's close. So I have.

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Stuart Hegas said, as a lock, you may think differently,

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 3>other people may think differently. But I mean until Bobby

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 3>Wyatt decides he wants to play full time mid am

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 3>or golf, I just I don't. I don't see anyone

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 3>who who is at the level of Stuart Hegas said right.

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Now, I think it. Honestly, I think he probably is

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>a lock. And I think the lock was last week

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>at the at the Western Am. Uh making it to

0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>the you know, seventy making the thirty six hole cut,

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 2>then base being right on the bubble. Shot here, shot there.

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 2>You think about seventy two holes. The way the Western

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Am works is after seventy two holes, the top sixteen

0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 2>players go to match play. It is so hard to

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>make the match play of the Western Am and to

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>be on that bubble of match play where literally a

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 2>bounce here, a bounce there, a you know you you

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 2>think through it. I caddied in Stu's group. I cady

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>for Max here and Dean, And honestly, you know, kind

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:32.759
<v Speaker 2>of what we were talking about early on about the

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 2>difference between tour pros and and high level ams, and

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like young high level ams, I would I would recommend

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 2>anybody that's going out to watch a great exercises to

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.760
<v Speaker 2>go watch how Stu plays golf versus how these kids

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 2>play golf. And if you watch over the over the

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 2>course of eighteen holes, you're like, God, Stu just makes

0:34:55.120 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 2>his life so much easier than these kids. Uh, Like

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I he just lays up into the right spots. He

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:08.000
<v Speaker 2>takes what the golf course gives him. He is an

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>incredible wedge player, like incredible wedge player, and he's very

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.799
<v Speaker 2>happy to take wedges. I think it'll be I think

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Marion sets up well for him in that sense of

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 2>there's so many sub four hundred yard par fours he's

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:24.799
<v Speaker 2>going to be able to play, you know, pretty conservatively.

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.640
<v Speaker 2>He obviously gives up some some yardage off the tee

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>to these to the real powerful am players, and and

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I just I think he's uh, I think I would

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 2>agree with you where he's kind of a lock here,

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 2>especially with the Western Western Am results in And I

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 2>would expect him to play well, I'd expect him to

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 2>make match play here at Marion.

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean he's he plays those

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 3>classic golf courses where like you really have to think

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.440
<v Speaker 3>so well. I mean, you want to see b McDonald

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 3>at National this summer or this year as well. And

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 3>cb McDonald was kind of a consultant for Marion too,

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 3>right back in the day.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But yeah, I think I think Stu's Stu's in there.

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:12.959
<v Speaker 3>You had a front row seat to Bobby Massa as well,

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 3>in that lot of skin of another guy, a lot,

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 3>a lot of speed. Maybe Marian's not quite the ballpark

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 3>for for Bobby Massa. But interesting fact about Bobby Massa,

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 3>not to get too far off track, but he actually

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 3>trains Fred Purpaul, Yeah, the former president of the U

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 3>s g A. So that's that's kind of a cool.

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 2>But Bobby said that he's got two kids under the

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:40.720
<v Speaker 2>So does I think, like Midam Golf. You know, people

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:45.239
<v Speaker 2>people ask me all the time Midhem Golf. I think

0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 2>like there are guys that are so talented, like Bobby

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Wyatt you mentioned, you know, anyway, anybody in the consideration

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:56.279
<v Speaker 2>of a walker cup Spot, Stu you know, Christian Cavalary.

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>There's a long list of guys you could get. Everybody's talented,

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 2>but there is like an exercise of like how much

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>time you have to devote to the sport and things

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 2>that get in your way of time devoting to midam golf.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Are our kids in your job, you know? And when

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>you have when you have a couple of kids under

0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:18.720
<v Speaker 2>the age of three, it's just going to be really

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.840
<v Speaker 2>hard to be to be a high level mid And

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I think like I think like Bobby, Bobby is obviously

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 2>great player, He's done really well in the us AM

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times. Having two kids, two young kids,

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 2>is just kind of a that's a that's a death sents.

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 2>It's your golf game if you're if you're not playing professionally,

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.839
<v Speaker 2>if you can't claim this is my job, uh, that

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 2>is is a hard thing to do. So but I

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:52.200
<v Speaker 2>think that's that's a I think people overlook the the

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 2>time element to when we talk about mid.

0:37:55.880 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 3>AM's Yeah, and we didn't even talk about Justin Huber.

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 3>He could I mean, he could win the us M

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 3>and that would.

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Really get people would riot. It seems like he's squarely

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 2>in the crossherrs of.

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 3>I heard John Kurran just got his amateur satisfact too.

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean a guy who played.

0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 2>On for he almost won the memorial he did.

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I mean there's that. But I

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 3>think I would predict that at some point in the

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 3>near future we're gonna get some sort of rewritten, reinstated

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 3>amateur rules. But who knows. Who knows?

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>He's out of the bottle to the U s g A.

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I think, listen, I love a lot of what the

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 2>USGAS does. I think the USA does not like being

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>the bad guy. They do not like governing, and anybody

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.640
<v Speaker 2>governing point to his equipment. But the mid Am governance

0:38:56.040 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 2>is an absolute dumpster fire. Like I you know, I

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>think I've told this story before on the pod. I

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 2>played the twenty sixteen Midam and I used to go

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>to I used to practice when I was a kid

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 2>at Northwestern's Gleecher Center. And when when I was practicing there,

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 2>jess Daily was in school and so thus, like you know,

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.759
<v Speaker 2>I'd run into him, and I was like always like

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>following the career, like I was opening opening up the

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:31.840
<v Speaker 2>pages of Golf Week and tracking like how he was

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 2>doing in all these tournaments as a kid, and then

0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 2>fast forward, I'm in this midam and I'm hitting ball

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 2>sex to him and I'm like, listen, like I just

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I spent the last ten or eight years of my

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 2>life at that point like tied up to a desk

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 2>and I like work my ass off so that then

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I could work on my game on the weekend at

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 2>this point and play in this stuff. And then I'm like,

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at I'm like, this guy played pro golf

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:05.400
<v Speaker 2>for twelve years. This guy played on the Courn Ferry

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Tour for longer than I've been out of college, and

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:10.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at this and I'm just like this is

0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 2>this is not And now you have guys like Justin Huber,

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 2>John Kern, Bobby Wyatt almost won on the PGA Tour.

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's wild to me what's going on because

0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 2>it's just you don't if you're a real midam, like

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.879
<v Speaker 2>and what I mean by real midam someone who has

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 2>not like turned pro outside of like, if you you

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>are in a great life situation, You're never going to

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:44.760
<v Speaker 2>get the reps that these guys get. It's like the

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 2>competitive reps never leave you. And what I mean by

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>like where it shows up is like when you're just

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's really like a you know, hard situation and

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get nervous. Is like if you've for your

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.279
<v Speaker 2>living for a living for ten years, you don't get

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 2>his nervous. Yeah.

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 3>What about someone like Bobby Massa, who you know, kind

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:10.960
<v Speaker 3>of a quick background on him. He played college golf,

0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.359
<v Speaker 3>he turned professional, never had a corn free tour card

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:16.120
<v Speaker 3>or the equivalent of e that was kind of just

0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 3>a mini tour guy, got some starts, got the driver

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.600
<v Speaker 3>yips really bad, and basically quit golf for like four

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 3>or five years, picked it back up again around covid,

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.280
<v Speaker 3>gets his amateur status back, and now he plays midam events.

0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:33.040
<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. I think this is the hard thing,

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 2>and it's probably why they've been procrastinating on actually setting

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 2>real tidelines.

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 3>Like eleven or twelve of the guys who were in

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:42.439
<v Speaker 3>the round sixteen last year at the US Midham were

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 3>technically reinstated. Yeah, I mean some to greater extent than others,

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:53.200
<v Speaker 3>for sure, But I mean Brandon Holtz was a reinsteaded amateur.

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 2>And Brandon Holts like he was basically just playing the Illinois.

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Open, you know, yeah, exactly.

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's like, okay, like where where's the line

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 2>to me? To me, there has to be like a

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 2>number of years for every year accrued on a PGA

0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Tour sanctioned tour that to me or European Tour, the

0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 2>big If you've played on the Corn Fairy and PGA

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Tour Americas for ten years, I'm sorry, you need to

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 2>sit on the pine for like twenty to level out

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 2>what you've done. And I don't know, but that's just

0:42:32.840 --> 0:42:36.319
<v Speaker 2>my perspective. The the guys would say where should we play,

0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, then just keep playing pro golf, play

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Illinois Open, get play in your section events, like there's

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>competitive outlets for you.

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all right, what else?

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 2>What else? Would the water? We just had a divergence here.

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But I mean I think that was good. And

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:57.879
<v Speaker 3>that's a that's kind of a big storyline too, is

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 3>because Justin Hubert did qualify, so that'll be a storyline.

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I have two more locks. I'll kind of

0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 3>spin through these real quick and then we can kind

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 3>of like decompress at the end. But William Jennings, who

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.320
<v Speaker 3>rising junior at Alabama, was a really good AJGA player,

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 3>and then his freshman year last or you know, two

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 3>years ago twenty four to twenty five, didn't play in

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 3>the fall. Made his first college start at Water Sound

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 3>in January of twenty five, and he shot ninety two

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 3>in his first round of college golf, second round on

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.240
<v Speaker 3>his way to not breaking ninety again. And j Sewell,

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 3>the head coach at Alabama, takes the scorecard out of

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 3>his hand so we can't post another score in the nineties,

0:43:44.880 --> 0:43:47.359
<v Speaker 3>didn't play for like a few more months. What had

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:51.200
<v Speaker 3>happened is the kid is six six. He's a big kid,

0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 3>like he's he looks about his biggest Tommy Morrison, but

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 3>he's just a couple of inches short, but he is.

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.800
<v Speaker 3>He is a massive unit. And he had gone from

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 3>three fourth inches longer shafts to two inches longer than standard.

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 3>For whatever reason, thought that was going to be the answer.

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Totally messed up this game. Couldn't hit the ball, and

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:17.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean conversely, couldn't couldn't hit couldn't break break ninety.

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.279
<v Speaker 3>But he's gotten it back. He was runner round at

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 3>the NCAA's He's won some big events this past season.

0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 3>He won Colonial, he won Olympia Fields. He's just had

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 3>a really great year he's up to a third or

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 3>fourth and wagger, so he's a lock in my book,

0:44:33.600 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 3>along with Josiah Gilbert, who was Coven's teammate at Auburn.

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 3>He's going to be a senior this year. A couple

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:47.400
<v Speaker 3>of years ago changed his nationality from Australian to American,

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 3>so there's a little bit of you know, maybe a

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.280
<v Speaker 3>select group of people who probably don't think he should

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 3>be on the team, but you know, he he's lived

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.719
<v Speaker 3>in Alabama, his family has they moved about four or

0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:01.279
<v Speaker 3>five years ago. He's got four or five siblings as well,

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 3>so he's part of a big family. So he's he's

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 3>a lock. He's just been very very consistent, good match

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 3>play player, good good team guy as well. And then

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Ryder Cowen's another lock. The USGA loves their their low amateurs,

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 3>guys who qualify for the US Open and then played

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 3>well that week. Scotti Scheffler is a great example. Back

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:24.880
<v Speaker 3>in twenty seventeen when the Walker Cup was at LACC, like,

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Scotty was kind of a bubble guy along with Zalatoris

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 3>and Sam Burns, so he was really the maybe second

0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.359
<v Speaker 3>to last guy on that team. Sam Burns was left

0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 3>off Zalatrris I think was last guy on. But Scotty

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 3>was the low am at Aaron Hills that year and

0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 3>so that to me, I felt like got him over

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.280
<v Speaker 3>the bump. And so I think that's what gets Ryder Cowen,

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 3>who was the first team All American last year, that's

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 3>what gets him on the team. So we're at eight guys,

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:56.040
<v Speaker 3>there's two spots left. At this point, there's four guys

0:45:56.040 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 3>for two spots, not counting potential USM American champion. But

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 3>one of them is key Akina, who won the Michelson

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:09.239
<v Speaker 3>Award as a Top freshman last year at BYU, member

0:46:09.280 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 3>of the US national Development team. Like really like just

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:17.879
<v Speaker 3>kind of like Miles type in terms of small guy

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 3>does a lot of things well, very cool and calm

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 3>and confident, just not quite to the level of Miles.

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 3>But the thing that Key Hay has going for him

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.720
<v Speaker 3>is he went over the pond or across the pond

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 3>earlier this summer and made the quarters of the British

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:37.960
<v Speaker 3>A and and inn away a Walker Cup year. I

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 3>think that's a huge feather in his cap. And you

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:43.359
<v Speaker 3>know he's he won a couple of times. They didn't

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 3>play the schedule that some of these other guys did,

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:50.000
<v Speaker 3>but they played a good enough schedule, like he has

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 3>played in some PGA Tour events. He's he's done well.

0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 3>I think at this point he's on. And then I

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:01.720
<v Speaker 3>mean recent development with jayl from Stanford winning the Western.

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean the last time we had a guy win

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.359
<v Speaker 3>the Western and not make the US Walker Cup team

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 3>was Dawson Armstrong in twenty fifteen. Not that long ago

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 3>with the Walker Cup being every other year, but still

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 3>like it. It rarely happens these days. And so I

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:19.799
<v Speaker 3>think Jay Lang has done enough now to bump Eric

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Lee from Oklahoma State on the outside looking in. Carson

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Birtek Knowles had a great, great year as well. I

0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 3>think he's still in the running. The rising sophomore at

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:31.400
<v Speaker 3>North Carolina, a couple top threes and some big events

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:36.880
<v Speaker 3>including the Northeast this summer. Really good team guy, like good, good,

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:41.040
<v Speaker 3>good wedger, good good ball striker. So he's in there

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 3>as well. But just want to close, like talking about

0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:48.240
<v Speaker 3>Jay Lang for a second, kind of an interesting story,

0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 3>like have you seen his golf swing?

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 2>Very very short takeaway.

0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:59.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's almost like like there's that famous Ryan

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Gerard quote where he said his swing has been referred

0:48:03.920 --> 0:48:06.799
<v Speaker 3>to as if like Jim Furick and John Rahm had

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.239
<v Speaker 3>had an aneurysm, like Jay lang swing might be if

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:13.880
<v Speaker 3>like Ryan Girard swing had an aneurysm. Like he it's

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 3>it's all self taught. I actually talked to Conrad Ray,

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 3>the Stanford coach, for a little bit last night, and

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:23.319
<v Speaker 3>he was talking about that's like what they didn't want

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 3>to do as it is just totally change a whole

0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 3>bunch of stuff, because like the most important thing about

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 3>golf and the golf swing is not what it really

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 3>looks like. It's do you know your swing well enough

0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 3>to know what you do well and know how to

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 3>fix things when when the ballflight's not where you want

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 3>it to be. And and Jay Lings knows how to

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 3>do that. And like the thing for him is he's

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 3>just gotten a lot stronger. I mean, he was someone

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.680
<v Speaker 3>who was ral Thinn didn't work out what I mean,

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 3>it was a really good junior, played on the Junior

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.440
<v Speaker 3>President's Cup team, won a bunch on the A J

0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 3>G A, but just not strong at all. Didn't think

0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 3>he had to work out, And in the last year

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:02.759
<v Speaker 3>or so is sophomore year, he's kind of gotten in

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 3>the gym, gotten stronger, like the swing is what it is,

0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:10.439
<v Speaker 3>and he's gotten a lot better on the greens as well.

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.439
<v Speaker 3>So you know, kind of a kind of a cool

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 3>story going from like one hundred and thirty ninth and

0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Wagger to start the year. Now he's twenty third, So

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean to me, he's he's probably on at this point.

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feels like anybody that wins the Western probably

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 2>should be on the.

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Team, Yeah, unless they're completely off the radar. And for

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 3>for Jay Lang, I mean he was. He was like

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 3>in the top forty of Wagger, Like he had a

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 3>great summer, a couple of top fives at the Southern

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:44.759
<v Speaker 3>and the uh in the Northeast as well. So I

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:48.839
<v Speaker 3>mean he had, he had shown glimpses. It's just when

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 3>you go back to January, he was he was. He

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:54.759
<v Speaker 3>wasn't even on the radar, Like, he wasn't anywhere close. So,

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 3>but you always have a guy or two come out

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:00.640
<v Speaker 3>of nowhere. I mean I think I think back to

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.439
<v Speaker 3>mccameron Champ in twenty seventeen, kind of did that got

0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:08.440
<v Speaker 3>hot in the summer. Jordan Neiebrugie in twenty thirteen when

0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 3>they played at national, Like, he had a like a

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:15.160
<v Speaker 3>crazy summer, won the Western, won the Wisconsin State am Like,

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:17.799
<v Speaker 3>just had this crazy thing, right, he won like three

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:21.360
<v Speaker 3>straight amateur tournaments. So there's always like you have to

0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:24.279
<v Speaker 3>take one hot guy. I feel you can't just go

0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:27.799
<v Speaker 3>fully based on on Wagger because it's it's a two

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 3>year period.

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.239
<v Speaker 2>So that's the thing with Lang, right, if you go

0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 2>to the Goodwin, he finished his third at the Goodwin,

0:50:34.160 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 2>seventh at the Western Intercollegiate, seventh in ACC's, eleventh in

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:43.439
<v Speaker 2>the regional, now forty ninth in nationalities ehip.

0:50:43.160 --> 0:50:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Which is good because there's thirty there's one hundred and

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 3>fifty something something players at the.

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 2>And then second at the Northeast, fifth of the Southern

0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:55.400
<v Speaker 2>am and wins the Western DAM. Like I hard does

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 2>hard to argue that there's ten better players that.

0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and if you would compare him, like like

0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Burt's kind of got a similar resume other than the

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:07.760
<v Speaker 3>Western m but he made match play at the Western.

0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Eric Lee won a regional but like hasn't really done much.

0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:17.360
<v Speaker 3>So it's just kind of like, do you take someone

0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 3>like Eric Lee who had a great summer last year

0:51:20.200 --> 0:51:22.840
<v Speaker 3>he made the semis of the us AM. Or do

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:25.360
<v Speaker 3>you take like a hot guy and to me, that's

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.760
<v Speaker 3>like I would I would give the edge to Jay Lang. Frankly,

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:31.359
<v Speaker 3>I think he's ahead of key Hey at this point too,

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Like Jay Lang would be my ninth guy on key

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Hey would be my tenth. Eric Lee would be my

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 3>eleventh right now, and then Bert would be twelve, and

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 3>then after that everyone else has to win the us

0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:44.279
<v Speaker 3>AM in my opinion, like no one's getting in with

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:48.280
<v Speaker 3>Just like if Willie Walsh from Pepperdine or Connor Williams

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 3>of Arizona State, if they make like the final and lose,

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I still don't think that's enough interesting.

0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:56.759
<v Speaker 2>So if like you don't even think like if if

0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:59.360
<v Speaker 2>one of these these people on the on the outside

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:02.880
<v Speaker 2>makes the final loses to Miles Russell day in like

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:06.400
<v Speaker 2>an all time match, they don't get the no.

0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:09.480
<v Speaker 3>No, not like not any one outside of Bird or

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Eric Lee or or or those guys. Like it's just

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:17.120
<v Speaker 3>like at some point you have to you have to

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:21.960
<v Speaker 3>select the team based on like some sort of period

0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:25.760
<v Speaker 3>of merit, Like you can't just be such a prisoner

0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 3>of like the last even though it's the biggest event

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:32.719
<v Speaker 3>of the year. He like, I don't know. To me,

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:36.000
<v Speaker 3>it's to me, the USAM as always the tiebreaker. It's

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:40.359
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily like who goes based on what? Like last

0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 3>year is a perfect example, Jacob Madleski and Miles were

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:49.319
<v Speaker 3>were neck and neck. Madleski made it to the to

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:51.840
<v Speaker 3>the quarters, Miles made it to the round of sixteen.

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 3>So that kind of and and and Max was. Harrendine

0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 3>was kind of in a similar scenario. He ended up

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:00.880
<v Speaker 3>I think he lost a mile in the in the

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.160
<v Speaker 3>first round of of match play.

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 2>So that kind of been Coyn last year.

0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 3>Did he so he might have lost to Coyven? He

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 3>lost to someone he beat? Did he beat Coven?

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>He lost to? I can't remember who he lost to.

0:53:15.160 --> 0:53:18.319
<v Speaker 3>I think he lost after after he played. Yeah, so

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:19.319
<v Speaker 3>he made the second round.

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:22.839
<v Speaker 2>No, I think he was at least the third round

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>round of round of sixteen. So it'll be I, I, uh,

0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm pulling for harn Dean, my fellow line.

0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I uh make a little run here and and and

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:40.400
<v Speaker 2>get himself into consideration. Another just name that isn't going

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 2>to come up because he's not in the Walker Cup discussion.

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I think is uh is Daniel Bennett the Texas He'll

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:49.880
<v Speaker 2>be a junior at Texas, was a great had a

0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 2>great freshman year and made match play at the Western

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:56.000
<v Speaker 2>m another kind of stud and could be a really

0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 2>great short game for him.

0:53:57.719 --> 0:54:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, great Wedgard each short game. Harrndean lost to

0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Mason Howell in the round of sixteen, so you were correct.

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:07.480
<v Speaker 3>I knew he lost to like a big name junior.

0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't seem like Bason Howell hasn't had the best year

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:12.960
<v Speaker 2>since that.

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.960
<v Speaker 3>No, No, and I mean he wasn't. I mean, he's

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.759
<v Speaker 3>obviously one of the best recruits in the country coming

0:54:19.800 --> 0:54:23.120
<v Speaker 3>into Georgia this fall, but he wouldn't have made the

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:26.040
<v Speaker 3>Walker Cup team otherwise last year. He wasn't even in

0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:29.400
<v Speaker 3>the conversation. So I mean he benefited by getting the

0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 3>automatic spot. I don't think he was ever gonna it

0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:35.560
<v Speaker 3>was going to be very difficult, even though we had

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.280
<v Speaker 3>an amazing week at Cyprus, I mean with the albatross

0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:42.720
<v Speaker 3>in practice on two long birdie putts on fifteen sixteen,

0:54:42.760 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 3>the whole out on seventeen, like he had an amazing week,

0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:47.680
<v Speaker 3>But you just kind of knew it was going to

0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:49.680
<v Speaker 3>be very difficult for him to get back at least

0:54:49.680 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 3>this year, because I mean, juniors don't have the luxury

0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:56.480
<v Speaker 3>of playing these high level college events like every other

0:54:56.520 --> 0:55:00.279
<v Speaker 3>week to boost the resume, and you can't really to

0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:04.360
<v Speaker 3>resume playing the junior you know, junior players and Sage

0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Valley and stuff without winning. And he just didn't do that.

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:11.719
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it'll be it'll be a fun week. I mean,

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 3>like Mary, and to me, I've been very excited about

0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 3>this one for a while because there's just been so

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 3>much history made there, so like to me, like having

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:28.279
<v Speaker 3>hosted six previous USAMS and you walk around there and

0:55:28.280 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 3>not only do they they have the Hogan plaque on eighteen,

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:35.359
<v Speaker 3>which everyone everyone knows about when he came back from

0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:38.360
<v Speaker 3>the accident and one in nineteen fifty and hit the

0:55:38.360 --> 0:55:41.360
<v Speaker 3>one iron there which I heard you hit that shot

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 3>into the patio.

0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:48.520
<v Speaker 2>It was a classic double cross. I felt like I

0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:51.320
<v Speaker 2>brought a one iron just for that shot and I

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:54.320
<v Speaker 2>felt like it was too much club and I needed

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:57.400
<v Speaker 2>to hit a fade and like a big fade and

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:01.560
<v Speaker 2>then I hooked it. End it was. It was.

0:56:02.840 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 3>It was tough, but I mean there but there's that,

0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.359
<v Speaker 3>there's the Bobby Jones plaque on eleven, you know, when

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:13.880
<v Speaker 3>he completed the Grand Slam, And eleven's kind of an

0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 3>interesting call. I took a video of it. Have you

0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:19.239
<v Speaker 3>seen the big It looks like kind of a cornfield

0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:23.240
<v Speaker 3>right of the green, Yeah, I think so, Yeah, eleven,

0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:25.600
<v Speaker 3>it's kind of right. Reminds me of like a little

0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 3>bit of a Field of Dream scenario where like Bobby

0:56:28.640 --> 0:56:31.839
<v Speaker 3>Jones is going to walk out of the the the

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 3>cornstalks like during the during the championship. So I'll have

0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:40.440
<v Speaker 3>my eye on that for sure. But yeah, there's just

0:56:40.640 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of history. Like I didn't realize this either,

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:47.879
<v Speaker 3>and I had because I'm reading this book. It's called

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:51.359
<v Speaker 3>Miracle at Marion. It's by David Barrett. It's pretty good

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:53.840
<v Speaker 3>so far. But there were some things like I didn't

0:56:53.840 --> 0:56:56.480
<v Speaker 3>know and you probably have heard some of this, but

0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:00.640
<v Speaker 3>William Flynn was actually the first greens greens keeper at Marion.

0:57:02.440 --> 0:57:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I knew that that he. I mean a lot of

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:07.759
<v Speaker 2>people say he's it should be he should have some

0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 2>design credit on it. Hugh Wilson's obviously the architect, but

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:15.239
<v Speaker 2>William Flynn was like huge, huge in the development of

0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Marion into what it is today.

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because because Hugh Wilson died of pneumonia in like

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 3>nineteen twenty five, like they didn't really finish Mary, like

0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:28.400
<v Speaker 3>they tweaked it like every year until like they hosted

0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:32.680
<v Speaker 3>that first US Open. Yeah. So I mean what there

0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 3>was a lot of years, like after Wilson's death were

0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:39.800
<v Speaker 3>William Flynn and his what was it his brother were

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 3>like the the guys.

0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, William Flynn probably was underappreciated man

0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:52.080
<v Speaker 2>in golf Golden age golf history. It's a shame he's

0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:55.280
<v Speaker 2>not in the World Golf Hall of Fame, is he not?

0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think there's also in Texas

0:57:58.640 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Donald Ross, Stevie McDonald, aw Tilling Hast, Robert Trent Jones,

0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:09.080
<v Speaker 2>and Alisa Mackenzie.

0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so so Fazzia is not not in it.

0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.080
<v Speaker 2>No, not yet. I think that there needs to be

0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more architect representation. Probably should be some

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:20.080
<v Speaker 2>superintendents in the World Golf the Hall of Fame too,

0:58:20.120 --> 0:58:23.440
<v Speaker 2>But it's it's a little bit more obsessed with players

0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:26.880
<v Speaker 2>than you know, the people that pushed the push the

0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:28.960
<v Speaker 2>general participation of the sport.

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:33.760
<v Speaker 3>So well. Tom Tom's uncle George played played in the

0:58:33.840 --> 0:58:36.480
<v Speaker 3>US Open in nineteen fifty at Marion, Like that's kind

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:39.120
<v Speaker 3>of a fun fact and one last thing storyline no

0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:41.680
<v Speaker 3>one is going to talk about except for maybe me

0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:45.240
<v Speaker 3>the week of Okay, so the greens keeper, the longtime

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:50.920
<v Speaker 3>greens keeper who succeeded Flynn was a guy by the

0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 3>name of Joe Valentine. Not I don't think any relation

0:58:55.040 --> 0:59:02.080
<v Speaker 3>to Bobby Valentine's. But his original name was Giuseppe Valentini.

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:08.800
<v Speaker 3>So maybe maybe Giuseppe playbla can channel the you know,

0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:13.000
<v Speaker 3>you find that juice.

0:59:13.480 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Giuseppe playbla young junior, great junior player who qualified for

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the US to Open. Uh, going to Florida.

0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Right, going to Florida's second rank behind Miles, like got

0:59:25.520 --> 0:59:28.160
<v Speaker 3>qualified for the US Open, same side as Miles, like

0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 3>very good friends with Miles, really good player, and another

0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.200
<v Speaker 3>one like I don't know, I feel like these juniors

0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:40.480
<v Speaker 3>like the the not generations, but you know kind of

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 3>four or five year period these groups of juniors like

0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:45.560
<v Speaker 3>had went from like when Scheffler was a junior, you

0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 3>had like kind of these really buttoned up, polished like

0:59:48.840 --> 0:59:51.320
<v Speaker 3>country club kids, and then you went into like a

0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 3>period of like the the Fortnite as I like to

0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:58.480
<v Speaker 3>call them the Fortnite Crew, where all these kids did

0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:00.840
<v Speaker 3>was like play video games and they were kind of

1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:03.760
<v Speaker 3>silly and you didn't think they really took stuff seriously.

1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:08.120
<v Speaker 3>And now it's kind of evolved into these really polished

1:00:08.240 --> 1:00:12.040
<v Speaker 3>kids again, whether it's Juice or or Miles or Luke Colton,

1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:15.240
<v Speaker 3>like these guys who just love golf and are just

1:00:15.320 --> 1:00:18.720
<v Speaker 3>obsessed with golf. So so that's pretty cool. But yeah,

1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:21.360
<v Speaker 3>that's the that's the US Amateur. I mean there's a

1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:25.040
<v Speaker 3>bunch of either. I mean there's three hundred and twelve

1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:25.880
<v Speaker 3>guys in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it should be. It should be an awesome week.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll look forward to reading your coverage and watching you

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<v Speaker 2>on Golf Channel, so everybody can read your stuff there

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<v Speaker 2>and then also watch you. I assume you'll be doing

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<v Speaker 2>the post round interviews like you were last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so it's an unfortunately, you know, not to be

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<v Speaker 3>the bearer of bad news. I don't think that I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be doing the latter. It's an NBC production this year,

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<v Speaker 3>which is actually good. I mean to get out in

1:00:56.040 --> 1:00:59.800
<v Speaker 3>front of a wider audience. The NBC, you know crew

1:00:59.840 --> 1:01:02.400
<v Speaker 3>does have the playoffs FedEx got playoffs this year, so

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<v Speaker 3>it'll be on starting on Wednesday, so there's I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's like three hour coverages every day from Wednesday through

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<v Speaker 3>the final one Sunday, and then on the weekends there's

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<v Speaker 3>like an hour on Peacock and then two hours on

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<v Speaker 3>on NBC. So it's Dan Hicks, I believe it's Smiley

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<v Speaker 3>and then and then Burko is going to be doing

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the role that I did last year. So

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you get someone who's even better.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing. Well, we'll look forward to reading your stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>I know you'll be providing a lot of valuable information

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<v Speaker 2>to the NBC team. So thanks so much Brentley, and

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<v Speaker 2>look forward to talking to you again.

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<v Speaker 3>Awesome. Thanks Andy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get back to Garrett Morrison and talking about Marion

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Club. All right, Garrett Morrison, the host of the

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<v Speaker 2>golf podcasts, You've got a big podcast out about Marion.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to bite grab you for a bite size

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<v Speaker 2>amount of discussion on Marion Golf Club, host of this

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<v Speaker 2>year's us AMATE, one of the most decorated golf courses

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<v Speaker 2>in an American golf Garrett, you went out to Marian

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time about I don't know, two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago or so, what I wanted to kind of pinion

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<v Speaker 2>down here for three things about Marion. What was your

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<v Speaker 2>first big impression that it made on you.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing about Marion that I think is important

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<v Speaker 1>or that jumped out to me as soon as I

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<v Speaker 1>played the course walk the course was the ingeniousness of

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<v Speaker 1>the routing, just how the routing works across the small property.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're playing the course, you don't have the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that this is just one hundred and fifteen acres that

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<v Speaker 1>the course itself sits on, and then the total property

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<v Speaker 1>is something like one hundred and twenty six very small

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<v Speaker 1>property by championship golf standards. You know, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at Shinnecock Hills, for instance, you're up around two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty acres maybe two hundred for just the golf

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<v Speaker 1>course itself, and so a petite property. But when you're

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<v Speaker 1>playing the course, you have the feeling of expansiveness of like,

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<v Speaker 1>these holes have plenty of room and they're just doing

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<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. You're not going back and forth. You're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of looping around the property in a pleasing way.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think that's all down to how well

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<v Speaker 1>the concept of the routing works. And the basic concept

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<v Speaker 1>of the routing is that once you cross Ardmore Avenue,

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<v Speaker 1>which you do after you play the first hole, you're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of in this valley that's about three hundred yards

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<v Speaker 1>wide and maybe a thousand yards long, and in this

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<v Speaker 1>valley you sort of do a couple of overlapping loops

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<v Speaker 1>right as you go through the valley, you're always changing direction,

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<v Speaker 1>you're looping through the property rather than just kind of

1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:10.000
<v Speaker 1>playing back and forth through it. And that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>continues throughout the golf course, where where where the routing

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<v Speaker 1>is is always you know, creating these circles rather than

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<v Speaker 1>just laying holes next to each other. And even in

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<v Speaker 1>the parts where holes are kind of next to each

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<v Speaker 1>other and playing back and forth for maybe two or

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<v Speaker 1>three holes at a time, they're they're playing at angles,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're finding new ways to to use the land.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's just an absolutely brilliant routing. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>subtle how it works. You kind of have to to

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<v Speaker 1>see it and walk it in order to understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the number one thing that I think is

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<v Speaker 1>great about this golf course. It's just it's just the routing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree, it's hard to visualize until you're

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<v Speaker 2>on property. So for the podcast listeners, I think, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for me, where like really sets in how

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<v Speaker 2>neat the holes interact is when you're standing on three

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<v Speaker 2>tuh to me is like a moment, so you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of right in the middle of the valley.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then in two you play you go across

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<v Speaker 2>the road and then you play this par five up

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<v Speaker 2>the hill and then you're standing on three and it's

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<v Speaker 2>this par three and it's a it's a ridged ridge hole.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're teeing off from one the high ridge that

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<v Speaker 2>two's on, and you're teeing off to this other ridge

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<v Speaker 2>that some uh some of the other holes like seven

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<v Speaker 2>are situated on, eight is situated there, four T is

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<v Speaker 2>situated there, And you're sitting there and you're looking across

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<v Speaker 2>the screen and then you're looking down five, which to

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<v Speaker 2>me is like as all world of a golf holes

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<v Speaker 2>it gets, and it's just like perfectly fit into this

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<v Speaker 2>little valley. And then six T plays out of the

1:06:57.320 --> 1:07:00.720
<v Speaker 2>valley up and you're just like in your tea across

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<v Speaker 2>this valley and it's like, oh, this is how like

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<v Speaker 2>you economize, Like you get eighteen holes on a tiny property.

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<v Speaker 2>Is indeed, like everybody will be like, oh, why can't

1:07:12.920 --> 1:07:17.160
<v Speaker 2>we build marions anymore? Why can't we build these golf

1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:20.600
<v Speaker 2>courses that fit perfectly into this one hundred and fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>acre site. I would just like point out that the

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<v Speaker 2>reason that this is even possible. Is that the land

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<v Speaker 2>just like they found a piece of property that was

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly scaled for a golf where there's nothing too severe

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<v Speaker 2>and there the every contours is about the right size

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<v Speaker 2>for golf, and they that's how they fit it all together.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like, yeah, there's some corners that they cleverly get

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<v Speaker 2>out of, but for the most part, there's nowhere on

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<v Speaker 2>the one hundred and fifteen acres that you would put

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<v Speaker 2>like a big X as they like, we can't go

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<v Speaker 2>here because there's no way to get out, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's it's fascinating. I think, like it's the charm,

1:08:07.360 --> 1:08:13.080
<v Speaker 2>it's the it's the secret sauce, the the most amazing

1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:18.280
<v Speaker 2>thing about Marion. But as equipment has has has not

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<v Speaker 2>been regulated. It's also kind of the curse of Marion

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<v Speaker 2>in the sense of it's this golf club that is

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<v Speaker 2>like holding on for dear life to championships. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's the most interesting part of the USAM this

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<v Speaker 2>this year. I talked about this with Brentley also, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>how does this hold up to the modern game. We

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen it since twenty thirteen. In the last thirteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot a lot has changed and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the most fascinating thing. And there's nowhere for it to go,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's nowhere to build back teas. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think like the USGA kicking the can on the on

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<v Speaker 2>the rollback but setting a firm date twenty thirty, this

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<v Speaker 2>is happening is because twenty thirty US Open host is Marion.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nowhere to go. It's sub seven seven thousand yards

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty too. Yeah, yeah, we're.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna keep going. We're going back there every ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a little check in, can we still play here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, it's but it's one of the great ballparks

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<v Speaker 2>that that we have in the sport of golf. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it it like most likens to a Rigley

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<v Speaker 2>or a Fenway in sense of like it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like intimacy and and just romanticism as a golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really cool. Yeah, And as you say, the property

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<v Speaker 1>is sort of underrated because the topography is kind of rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's there's a general tendency of the land.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that eleventh green is the lowest point and

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<v Speaker 1>the fifteenth green is the highest point. So so there

1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:58.760
<v Speaker 1>is a general tilt to the land, But within that

1:09:58.880 --> 1:10:01.519
<v Speaker 1>tilt there's a lot of There are a lot of

1:10:01.520 --> 1:10:06.240
<v Speaker 1>little pocket valleys. There's of course the famous quarry where sixteen,

1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:10.600
<v Speaker 1>seventeen and eighteen are located. There are little knolls and

1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:14.519
<v Speaker 1>ridges and spines and channels and all sorts of stuff

1:10:14.640 --> 1:10:18.160
<v Speaker 1>for the golf holes to use, and so clearly a

1:10:18.200 --> 1:10:21.640
<v Speaker 1>well selected piece of land. They didn't need at the

1:10:21.680 --> 1:10:25.200
<v Speaker 1>time more land to do what they were doing, because

1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:28.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, I would assume they could have used more

1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:31.400
<v Speaker 1>land if they had wanted to, because a lot of

1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:35.639
<v Speaker 1>them surrounding neighborhood was not yet built, and so you know,

1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.519
<v Speaker 1>they may have been able to expand the property or

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<v Speaker 1>buy a couple of extra parcels, but they just they

1:10:41.240 --> 1:10:44.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel that they needed to. This is the land

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<v Speaker 1>that they needed. They packed in the holes, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it still stands as pretty relevant for championship golf today.

1:10:52.560 --> 1:10:55.760
<v Speaker 1>But we'll see exactly how relevant this coming week.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably about is fun of one of the championship courses

1:11:01.360 --> 1:11:03.800
<v Speaker 2>for like a regular golfer, and part of that is

1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:05.400
<v Speaker 2>because of the size of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely it's a I mean, it's a really easy walk

1:11:08.640 --> 1:11:12.160
<v Speaker 1>obviously because everything is pretty close together, and yeah, it's

1:11:12.479 --> 1:11:15.800
<v Speaker 1>not overwhelming in it's in its size and scale.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your second thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Second thing is related to a point you were just

1:11:21.920 --> 1:11:29.600
<v Speaker 1>making about its its relevance for a championship golf. I

1:11:29.640 --> 1:11:33.519
<v Speaker 1>think that this golf course in a really interesting way

1:11:35.040 --> 1:11:41.760
<v Speaker 1>resists pure raw inaccurate distance. It does so in some

1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:45.000
<v Speaker 1>ways that are maybe not so great, which we can

1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:51.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about later. But the brilliant thing about the current

1:11:51.200 --> 1:11:55.760
<v Speaker 1>version of Marion is that there aren't many holes where

1:11:55.800 --> 1:11:58.639
<v Speaker 1>you even want to hit a three hundred and fifty

1:11:58.720 --> 1:12:02.400
<v Speaker 1>yard t shot. There are a couple holes in that

1:12:02.560 --> 1:12:07.160
<v Speaker 1>opening sequence of the golf course where, yeah, you can

1:12:07.240 --> 1:12:09.000
<v Speaker 1>let loose a little bit. You can hit it long

1:12:09.640 --> 1:12:12.000
<v Speaker 1>on the second hole, you can hit it long on

1:12:12.479 --> 1:12:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the fourth and fifth holes, and maybe even on the

1:12:16.160 --> 1:12:19.080
<v Speaker 1>sixth hole. But once you get to the seventh hole,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where the kind of shorter section of the

1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:25.800
<v Speaker 1>course kicks in, right. It's what the Golf Digest editor

1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Tarty referred to as the comedy section of the

1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:30.920
<v Speaker 1>golf course, where you have a bunch of short par

1:12:31.080 --> 1:12:35.639
<v Speaker 1>fours and then thirteen is a short par three. Well,

1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:38.120
<v Speaker 1>as you're playing through this section of the course, there's

1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:42.080
<v Speaker 1>really nowhere where you want to let loose and hit

1:12:42.400 --> 1:12:45.360
<v Speaker 1>a three hundred and fifty yard drive. You're going to

1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:47.560
<v Speaker 1>be hitting you know, elite players are going to be

1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:51.440
<v Speaker 1>hitting a lot of irons and then you know, shortish

1:12:51.479 --> 1:12:54.519
<v Speaker 1>approach shots, but they're not going to be trying to

1:12:54.600 --> 1:12:58.920
<v Speaker 1>drive the green on these holes. They're just going to

1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:02.280
<v Speaker 1>be playing to certain landing zones and then hitting their

1:13:02.320 --> 1:13:07.240
<v Speaker 1>approaches from there. And so I think that Marion as

1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:11.880
<v Speaker 1>it currently stands is a course that's not easily overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 1>by top end power because on a lot of holes,

1:13:16.640 --> 1:13:20.040
<v Speaker 1>there's just not much of an incentive to really hit

1:13:20.120 --> 1:13:23.280
<v Speaker 1>it as far as you can. So you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see longer players hitting quite a few irons

1:13:26.200 --> 1:13:30.200
<v Speaker 1>off the t's, you know, hybrids and things of that nature,

1:13:30.760 --> 1:13:34.320
<v Speaker 1>rather than just reaching for driver every time. And I

1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:38.519
<v Speaker 1>think that's why a sixty nine hundred yard golf course,

1:13:38.560 --> 1:13:44.519
<v Speaker 1>which this essentially is, can still host big championships. It's

1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:48.400
<v Speaker 1>because it's not like the old course where you can

1:13:48.439 --> 1:13:51.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of hit driver everywhere. There are more of these

1:13:52.000 --> 1:13:57.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of precision, constricted holes that limit the amount of

1:13:57.280 --> 1:14:00.120
<v Speaker 1>distance that you even want to pursue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was talking with a competitor about Marion and

1:14:05.520 --> 1:14:08.000
<v Speaker 2>they were kind of asking me, you know, hey, what

1:14:08.439 --> 1:14:11.840
<v Speaker 2>do you think, Like I said, this is a ball

1:14:11.920 --> 1:14:16.000
<v Speaker 2>control golf course. This is a golf course that if

1:14:16.080 --> 1:14:22.479
<v Speaker 2>you can really execute a sound game plan. And what

1:14:22.520 --> 1:14:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean by execute is where you have one of

1:14:24.840 --> 1:14:28.240
<v Speaker 2>those weeks where you really have good control of your

1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:33.400
<v Speaker 2>golf ball and you can really really you can. It's

1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:38.920
<v Speaker 2>just a tactical golf course. You have to think to me,

1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:44.920
<v Speaker 2>like you can push with driver, but it's it's not.

1:14:45.000 --> 1:14:48.479
<v Speaker 2>It's fraught with risk because the way the greens are.

1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I feel like when you're in the rough and you

1:14:51.840 --> 1:14:55.240
<v Speaker 2>have like those sixty seventy yard shots or fifty yard shots,

1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:58.519
<v Speaker 2>if you're in the wrong spot, you're just gonna have

1:14:58.560 --> 1:15:03.000
<v Speaker 2>a really hard time, you know, dealing with that versus

1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:06.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, it presents an opportunity to hit a lot

1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:10.559
<v Speaker 2>of irons as you were saying, and played one hundred

1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:14.160
<v Speaker 2>yards to one hundred and you know, one hundred and

1:15:14.200 --> 1:15:18.680
<v Speaker 2>forty yards and control your spin, control your ball. You know,

1:15:18.720 --> 1:15:22.160
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of like obviously ridges that green sit on,

1:15:22.520 --> 1:15:26.439
<v Speaker 2>and there's some fierce false fronts and it is a

1:15:27.640 --> 1:15:30.280
<v Speaker 2>it's just like a it's a it's a very it's

1:15:30.000 --> 1:15:35.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm really interested to see how how players deal with

1:15:35.479 --> 1:15:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the golf course. I think there's going to be a

1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:40.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of people that try to overpower it, and I'm

1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:44.040
<v Speaker 2>fascinated to see how it goes because like, and I'm

1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:46.559
<v Speaker 2>sure this is the thing that the USGA is watching

1:15:46.720 --> 1:15:50.599
<v Speaker 2>very closely with it. But yeah, I you know, it's

1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:53.160
<v Speaker 2>like funny, like you play after you play six, it's

1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:57.439
<v Speaker 2>like seven, you can hit driver. You don't have to Eight,

1:15:57.840 --> 1:16:00.439
<v Speaker 2>you can hit driver, you don't have to Nine. Obviously

1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:04.280
<v Speaker 2>iconically long par three, they might hit the driver there

1:16:05.320 --> 1:16:06.320
<v Speaker 2>depending on the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they put it at that like two hundred

1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:10.760
<v Speaker 1>and seventy yard tis or whatever they have back there.

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<v Speaker 2>We played that when I played in the Fall, I

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<v Speaker 2>hit three wood and it was the flag was back.

1:16:16.760 --> 1:16:18.120
<v Speaker 2>It was you know, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you guys played the back teas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or he did not.

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<v Speaker 1>At the USGAMI Medio day we played we played nine

1:16:25.880 --> 1:16:26.639
<v Speaker 1>at like one thirty.

1:16:27.479 --> 1:16:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was fun. It was fun playing the back teas.

1:16:30.080 --> 1:16:35.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like I to me, it's like, it's it's funny.

1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:37.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've said this before. I played it in

1:16:37.560 --> 1:16:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Succession in the Fall of Shinnacock and uh An Ironomy

1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:49.400
<v Speaker 2>were the three courses three days in a row. I

1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:52.800
<v Speaker 2>found Marion to be the most gettable, and that's just

1:16:52.840 --> 1:16:57.760
<v Speaker 2>for me personally, right, And I didn't obviously play it

1:16:57.800 --> 1:17:02.120
<v Speaker 2>in championship setup conditions, so it's like important caveats. But

1:17:02.280 --> 1:17:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I thought that this was the course that, like, oh,

1:17:06.120 --> 1:17:09.400
<v Speaker 2>if you really have control of your golf ball, like

1:17:09.439 --> 1:17:14.680
<v Speaker 2>there's not that many obstacles in your way, now, you

1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:16.439
<v Speaker 2>know it could I could have just caught it on

1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:18.960
<v Speaker 2>a day where I played exceptionally well and that's how

1:17:19.000 --> 1:17:22.519
<v Speaker 2>you walk away feeling. But I felt like putting at

1:17:22.520 --> 1:17:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Aronomic was much more challenging. From middles of greens to pins.

1:17:27.320 --> 1:17:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I think this is a golf course that I'm just

1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:34.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm fascinated to see what the scoring looks like. If

1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the rough is not insane, ru.

1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Is gonna be pretty high. I mean it was high.

1:17:40.880 --> 1:17:43.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it has to be. Yeah, yeah, I think

1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I think they're gonna I think they're gonna go hard

1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:49.720
<v Speaker 1>at the Amateur. But yeah, I mean, as as you say,

1:17:49.800 --> 1:17:52.519
<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit hard to tell because again we

1:17:52.680 --> 1:17:57.759
<v Speaker 1>have not seen the course in elite, high profile play

1:17:58.400 --> 1:18:03.280
<v Speaker 1>since twenty thirteen, and a lot has changed since twenty thirteen.

1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:08.960
<v Speaker 1>But I think a big reason why a lot of

1:18:09.000 --> 1:18:14.200
<v Speaker 1>players may not use driver repeatedly off the tee or

1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:17.600
<v Speaker 1>try to you know, you could maybe some of the

1:18:17.600 --> 1:18:21.519
<v Speaker 1>longer players could maybe go for the seventh green for instance,

1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:24.720
<v Speaker 1>short part four a lot will be long enough to

1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:29.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe go for it. But the problem is on some

1:18:29.720 --> 1:18:34.120
<v Speaker 1>of those holes you have out of bounds coming into play.

1:18:34.240 --> 1:18:39.720
<v Speaker 1>So on the first hole, for instance, probably reachable from

1:18:39.760 --> 1:18:43.760
<v Speaker 1>the tee for some players, depending on where the tea

1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:47.760
<v Speaker 1>markers are located. But if you go over, if you

1:18:47.800 --> 1:18:49.840
<v Speaker 1>pull it left, if you go over the green, or

1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:52.160
<v Speaker 1>you go through the fair way through the dog leg,

1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you might end up on Ardmorn Avenue. Then on the

1:18:56.280 --> 1:18:58.880
<v Speaker 1>tenth hole, it's kind of the same deal, right, I

1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:00.800
<v Speaker 1>think a lot of players are going to be going

1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:03.519
<v Speaker 1>for that green, but if you take too much club

1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:05.760
<v Speaker 1>or you hit it a little bit too far, you

1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:08.800
<v Speaker 1>could go out of bounds. There's out of bounds right

1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:11.640
<v Speaker 1>along the right side of the seventh hole, along the

1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:14.960
<v Speaker 1>right side of the eighth hole, there's very much out

1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:18.920
<v Speaker 1>of bounds in play. On the fifteenth hole, this dog

1:19:19.000 --> 1:19:23.719
<v Speaker 1>leg right where out of bounds cuts in sharply from

1:19:23.960 --> 1:19:26.720
<v Speaker 1>the left. So if you take too much club and

1:19:26.760 --> 1:19:29.040
<v Speaker 1>you pull it a little bit, you're going to be

1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:31.479
<v Speaker 1>on the road or maybe even in the houses on

1:19:31.520 --> 1:19:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the other side of the road. Like, that's very much

1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:36.439
<v Speaker 1>in play on those holes, and so I think, yeah,

1:19:36.439 --> 1:19:38.240
<v Speaker 1>there are going to be some players who want to

1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:43.320
<v Speaker 1>get aggressive, but they might end up ob which I

1:19:43.360 --> 1:19:48.000
<v Speaker 1>think is the biggest and maybe one of the last

1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:53.040
<v Speaker 1>remaining disincentives for trying to overpower a golf course is

1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:56.120
<v Speaker 1>that presence of a OB And that's very much in

1:19:56.160 --> 1:19:58.519
<v Speaker 1>play at Marrying because of the constricted nature of the

1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:00.920
<v Speaker 1>property and the fact that the holes have to be

1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:03.920
<v Speaker 1>right out to the edge of the property in order

1:20:03.960 --> 1:20:06.680
<v Speaker 1>to create room in the middle for more holes. So,

1:20:07.000 --> 1:20:08.840
<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, that's that's kind of what I'm going to

1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:10.960
<v Speaker 1>be keeping an eye on, is like how much are

1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:12.759
<v Speaker 1>these guys really willing to risk.

1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Ob Yeah, I mean it creates a lot of Uh.

1:20:17.479 --> 1:20:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of the challenge comes from the

1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:19.960
<v Speaker 2>par threes.

1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not really really long.

1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:27.000
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have a lot of variety in terms of

1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:32.400
<v Speaker 2>of of yardage. You know shot you know you hit long,

1:20:32.479 --> 1:20:36.120
<v Speaker 2>you hit long, clubs into three of the four par threes,

1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:39.200
<v Speaker 2>and then they have the great shorty that plays right

1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:42.360
<v Speaker 2>back to the clubhouse thirteen. But you know three is

1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:46.280
<v Speaker 2>from you know, the back t two fifty six. Nine

1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:50.519
<v Speaker 2>is two thirty six, and then you obviously have seventeen

1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:54.639
<v Speaker 2>to two forty six. You know, you could theoretically if

1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:56.560
<v Speaker 2>they you know, I think it's the job of the

1:20:57.120 --> 1:21:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Championship to vary these distances, because I think some of

1:21:00.720 --> 1:21:04.080
<v Speaker 2>them do. Like I think three, you know that that's

1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:06.439
<v Speaker 2>going to be a long, hardhold no matter what. I

1:21:06.439 --> 1:21:10.360
<v Speaker 2>think nine could be pretty interesting at different yardages.

1:21:10.040 --> 1:21:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, in different pin positions, right, Yeah, you could

1:21:13.680 --> 1:21:16.000
<v Speaker 1>have the easier and the harder pin positions on nine

1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:19.240
<v Speaker 1>because that's a pretty big green, right and a complex

1:21:19.280 --> 1:21:22.240
<v Speaker 1>screen relatively in terms of contour. So you could have

1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:25.519
<v Speaker 1>funnel pins, you could have knob pins, and you could

1:21:25.600 --> 1:21:28.320
<v Speaker 1>move the tee up or back depending on whether you're

1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:29.640
<v Speaker 1>where the pin is.

1:21:30.600 --> 1:21:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it's like to me, that's where those are

1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the holes where you're just like holding on for hope

1:21:38.080 --> 1:21:40.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the time, and there's you know, there's

1:21:40.160 --> 1:21:43.640
<v Speaker 2>obviously challenging part fours, Like you know, the eleventh is

1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:47.040
<v Speaker 2>a very hard part four. You know, the fifth is

1:21:47.080 --> 1:21:50.160
<v Speaker 2>an incredibly hard part for the sixth is a tough

1:21:50.240 --> 1:21:53.400
<v Speaker 2>part four, you know, the and you could slip up

1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:55.439
<v Speaker 2>on the other part fours. You have the sixteenth which

1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:58.479
<v Speaker 2>is hard par four and eighteen hard part four. But like,

1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:04.639
<v Speaker 2>there's also so many wedge opportunities. It's really like if

1:22:04.760 --> 1:22:07.360
<v Speaker 2>you kind of I think Augusta plays out a little

1:22:07.400 --> 1:22:11.000
<v Speaker 2>bit like this, but in a different fashion. Where at

1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Augusta you have really scorable holes and really challenging holes,

1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:18.120
<v Speaker 2>and there's a set of each. At Augusta there's a

1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:21.360
<v Speaker 2>little bit more variety of where those challenging holes fit

1:22:21.439 --> 1:22:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in in terms of like different you know, different types

1:22:24.960 --> 1:22:28.560
<v Speaker 2>of holes. Here. To me, it's the par threes and

1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the long par fours, and and that's kind of the

1:22:31.680 --> 1:22:35.720
<v Speaker 2>story of the golf course. Get well, get your like,

1:22:35.840 --> 1:22:38.799
<v Speaker 2>get your scoring done on the on the shorter holes,

1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:42.320
<v Speaker 2>take care of business there, and just try to score

1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:45.759
<v Speaker 2>a get in a round par on the other holes,

1:22:45.800 --> 1:22:48.160
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to you know, you're going to have

1:22:48.200 --> 1:22:48.799
<v Speaker 2>a good score.

1:22:49.479 --> 1:22:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to give you my third thing now

1:22:52.200 --> 1:22:55.479
<v Speaker 1>because I think it's somewhat relates to this discussion of

1:22:56.040 --> 1:23:01.160
<v Speaker 1>how Marion tries to combat distance, and that's narrow fairways

1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and thick rough One thing that really jumped out to

1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>me during my round was how constricted a lot of

1:23:10.960 --> 1:23:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the fairways are and how the mowing lines just kind

1:23:16.439 --> 1:23:20.240
<v Speaker 1>of converge into the middle. If you compare it to

1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:26.639
<v Speaker 1>William Flynn's vintage plans of the East course at Marion,

1:23:27.720 --> 1:23:31.360
<v Speaker 1>you'll see that today's fairways are much much smaller. And

1:23:31.400 --> 1:23:35.040
<v Speaker 1>this is the case even after gil Hans's you know,

1:23:35.080 --> 1:23:39.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen twenty nineteen renovation of Marion. Usually something that

1:23:40.840 --> 1:23:44.840
<v Speaker 1>gil Hans will do at golf courses when he restores

1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:48.880
<v Speaker 1>them or historically renovates them, is that he will expand

1:23:49.080 --> 1:23:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the fairways. At Marion, not much of that occurred. A

1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:57.160
<v Speaker 1>couple of holes got bumped out a bit from their

1:23:57.360 --> 1:24:01.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen dimensions, but for the most part, what we

1:24:01.160 --> 1:24:04.519
<v Speaker 1>see at Marion are very narrow fairways, and this comes

1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:09.839
<v Speaker 1>through very clearly on a couple of particular holes on eleven,

1:24:10.280 --> 1:24:14.040
<v Speaker 1>a short par four going downhill with a green kind

1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of nestled into the bend of a creek. It's a

1:24:19.000 --> 1:24:22.479
<v Speaker 1>famous green site. People have probably seen pictures of it.

1:24:22.600 --> 1:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Really beautiful location. This fairway used to be pretty wide

1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:31.479
<v Speaker 1>and you could kind of position yourself wherever in order

1:24:31.560 --> 1:24:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to attack this fiercely protected green. Now that fairway very hard. Yeah,

1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:46.120
<v Speaker 1>it's visually hard, visually intimidating. You can't see much and

1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:48.639
<v Speaker 1>there's no room for air. Right the green is sort

1:24:48.640 --> 1:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>of pushed up, and then you have the creek and

1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:54.639
<v Speaker 1>you have runoffs on the sides. So it's a tough

1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:58.920
<v Speaker 1>web shot, even if it is a web shot. Well,

1:24:59.080 --> 1:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the fairway now is extremely narrow. You really don't have

1:25:02.720 --> 1:25:05.599
<v Speaker 1>anywhere to play, and so it's just one option. You're

1:25:05.800 --> 1:25:09.160
<v Speaker 1>playing to one particular location and then you're hitting from there.

1:25:09.560 --> 1:25:11.400
<v Speaker 1>And so I would say on a lot of holes

1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>at Marion, it's kind of target golf right now, and

1:25:16.520 --> 1:25:19.719
<v Speaker 1>that's a bit of a bummer. But on the other hand,

1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>you can totally understand what the club is doing because

1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:26.440
<v Speaker 1>this is one thing that is going to keep scoring

1:25:26.960 --> 1:25:31.280
<v Speaker 1>at top tournaments in check. If you widen those fairways,

1:25:32.080 --> 1:25:35.120
<v Speaker 1>driver would be more available off the tee on a

1:25:35.120 --> 1:25:38.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of holes, and scoring would be different. I think

1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the golf course would be better and more interesting, But

1:25:42.840 --> 1:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>would it still be a viable US Open venue? I'm

1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:51.680
<v Speaker 1>not entirely sure. So I get the conundrum that the

1:25:51.840 --> 1:25:54.439
<v Speaker 1>club finds itself in. This is a course that you

1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:59.519
<v Speaker 1>can't lengthen much beyond, you know, sixty nine hundred yards

1:25:59.600 --> 1:26:03.680
<v Speaker 1>or so, and so they feel that they absolutely must

1:26:03.960 --> 1:26:06.559
<v Speaker 1>keep those fairways narrower and then grow up the rough

1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>so that you manufacture some higher scores. But certainly it's

1:26:11.000 --> 1:26:15.360
<v Speaker 1>not you know, faithful to the original design or to

1:26:15.479 --> 1:26:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the intentions of Hugh Wilson or William Flynn. And in

1:26:19.040 --> 1:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>my opinion, it just doesn't it doesn't make the golf

1:26:22.320 --> 1:26:22.840
<v Speaker 1>course better.

1:26:24.439 --> 1:26:27.519
<v Speaker 2>I you know, I completely agree. I think like I

1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:29.880
<v Speaker 2>found myself laughing on the eleventh hole.

1:26:31.360 --> 1:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>You can't well, I mean on the eleventh hole, there's

1:26:33.320 --> 1:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>this other thing that's it's the same case on the

1:26:35.200 --> 1:26:38.360
<v Speaker 1>seventh hole. You can't see any fairway grass from the tee.

1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just all rough in front of you. So the

1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>fairwaight is not only narrow, but it starts really late, right,

1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:46.679
<v Speaker 1>it starts really far downrange, and so you're just staring

1:26:46.720 --> 1:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>at all this rough.

1:26:49.040 --> 1:26:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's like so out of scale for the

1:26:52.040 --> 1:26:56.479
<v Speaker 2>the you know, property is like nobody in the nineteen

1:26:56.600 --> 1:26:59.759
<v Speaker 2>twenties and I think that it's a you know, Mary

1:26:59.880 --> 1:27:04.240
<v Speaker 2>is like the maybe the ultimate, like how do you

1:27:04.280 --> 1:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>stay relevant in Like what what are the crazy things

1:27:08.800 --> 1:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>we have to do to stay relevant in the modern era?

1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:13.639
<v Speaker 2>And like you hit on a lot of the things

1:27:13.640 --> 1:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>they do. It's narrow fairways, thick rough and you know,

1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>I think it's gotten to the point though, where like

1:27:21.760 --> 1:27:24.360
<v Speaker 2>the ball goes so far and players hit it so

1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:30.000
<v Speaker 2>far that you know, it takes driver even out of

1:27:30.040 --> 1:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the equation on holes that used to be driver holes,

1:27:33.320 --> 1:27:38.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, And I think that's like what I'm really

1:27:39.320 --> 1:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>really compelled to see this this coming week with the

1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:47.760
<v Speaker 2>amp is like I think it's a golf course. There's

1:27:47.840 --> 1:27:51.559
<v Speaker 2>like there's like four or five driver holes on the

1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:55.439
<v Speaker 2>whole thing, and if you just play back, you're still

1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:58.200
<v Speaker 2>only hitting nine irons or wedges into the greens on

1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:00.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these holes. With how far the ball goes.

1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:07.479
<v Speaker 2>It's just I'm not I'm I don't know, Yeah, I

1:28:08.280 --> 1:28:10.640
<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. I think the golf course would be

1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:15.120
<v Speaker 2>way more fun day and day out with fairways that

1:28:15.160 --> 1:28:20.759
<v Speaker 2>were even closer to their original size. Now that runs

1:28:20.800 --> 1:28:25.240
<v Speaker 2>completely counter to what they're trying to do. As one

1:28:25.280 --> 1:28:32.200
<v Speaker 2>of the USGA, you know, anchor sites, regular host and

1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:34.879
<v Speaker 2>what they're trying to do with that. It just doesn't

1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>match right what this golf course wants to be and

1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>what it was. It was a outstanding championship course. It

1:28:45.040 --> 1:28:47.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of reminds me a little bit of the conundrum

1:28:47.640 --> 1:28:52.759
<v Speaker 2>like that Myopia Hunt Club finds itself in or Myopia

1:28:52.840 --> 1:28:55.679
<v Speaker 2>Hunt Club, Like when you walk into Myopia Hunt Club,

1:28:55.720 --> 1:28:57.840
<v Speaker 2>you're going to hear about you know, the highest US

1:28:57.920 --> 1:29:01.519
<v Speaker 2>Open scorer ever was at Myopia Hind Club. It was

1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>in the eighteen hundreds, like and it's like, but we're

1:29:06.840 --> 1:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>holding on to that that pretense of it, and it's

1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, I this is Mariyanto Me is like at

1:29:15.920 --> 1:29:20.479
<v Speaker 2>the forefront of the ball and the manufacturer discussion with

1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:23.479
<v Speaker 2>the USBA, And it's fascinating that it and Pebble to

1:29:23.560 --> 1:29:26.439
<v Speaker 2>Me are like the two golf courses. Like if you

1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>said to me, like what do we need to do

1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>to get the players and equipment manufacturers on on board?

1:29:34.479 --> 1:29:37.120
<v Speaker 2>If I'm the USGA, I'm just going to start retiring

1:29:37.160 --> 1:29:40.439
<v Speaker 2>places and Marion and Pebble to Me are would be

1:29:40.520 --> 1:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>retired tomorrow. If I was the Tzar of Golf I'd

1:29:43.920 --> 1:29:45.800
<v Speaker 2>be I'd say, you know, if I was a czar,

1:29:45.920 --> 1:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a listen to the equipment manufacturers, but

1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I would say, well, we can't go there anymore because

1:29:50.880 --> 1:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>you're the clubs and the equipment go too far. You know,

1:29:54.000 --> 1:29:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I just watched I was, you know, the morning after

1:29:56.840 --> 1:30:01.479
<v Speaker 2>this recording. I just I'm fresh off two days and like,

1:30:01.520 --> 1:30:07.080
<v Speaker 2>to me, it's like I could not imagine the anger

1:30:07.800 --> 1:30:12.120
<v Speaker 2>from fans if you said that Wrigley Field and Fenway

1:30:12.600 --> 1:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>were no longer capable of hosting baseball games. And that's

1:30:17.200 --> 1:30:21.280
<v Speaker 2>effectively where we've gotten with like Marion. Marion has to

1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:26.560
<v Speaker 2>do all this stuff in order to try to host

1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>and now people are going to beat their chest and

1:30:28.800 --> 1:30:31.519
<v Speaker 2>be like the last time Moss heroes one over, but

1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>they completely manufactured that score with like hack it out

1:30:38.280 --> 1:30:43.120
<v Speaker 2>rough and extremely narrow fairways, which is not the original

1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>intent of the golf course. And now the discussion, though

1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:49.599
<v Speaker 2>becomes like should the intent change, Like if you actually

1:30:49.640 --> 1:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>were trying to scale what golf was and what golf

1:30:53.120 --> 1:30:56.559
<v Speaker 2>is now, fairways would be wider than it used to

1:30:56.600 --> 1:31:00.720
<v Speaker 2>be because the golf ball goes further and thus the

1:31:00.760 --> 1:31:06.759
<v Speaker 2>cone of like driving accuracy is wider. Yeah, Actually, narrow

1:31:06.800 --> 1:31:11.280
<v Speaker 2>fairways would be better if the golf ball went thirty percent.

1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:15.240
<v Speaker 1>Shorter, Yeah, I mean I think there is, then it.

1:31:15.240 --> 1:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Would go thirty percent less offline.

1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Right, It would make more sense for Yeah, the scale

1:31:21.360 --> 1:31:24.280
<v Speaker 1>of the shot being hit. You know, this is something

1:31:24.280 --> 1:31:26.840
<v Speaker 1>our colleague Joseph Almania talks about a lot. I think

1:31:26.840 --> 1:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>there are, you know, quite a few fairways even at

1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:32.639
<v Speaker 1>the current version of the East Course where it would

1:31:32.640 --> 1:31:36.479
<v Speaker 1>be more or less random whether you hit the fairway

1:31:36.760 --> 1:31:40.439
<v Speaker 1>with a driver, right, and and that's not really what

1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>you want from a competitive standpoint. But the thing is

1:31:43.920 --> 1:31:47.479
<v Speaker 1>people are so focused on score and on score in

1:31:47.520 --> 1:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>relation to par that you know, it creates this this

1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:57.160
<v Speaker 1>motive for the USGA and for their host clubs to

1:31:57.960 --> 1:32:02.360
<v Speaker 1>get that score no matter what the other effects on

1:32:02.720 --> 1:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the golf course. And so you know, there's a version

1:32:06.439 --> 1:32:10.439
<v Speaker 1>of Marion where it's just treated as a kind of

1:32:11.680 --> 1:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>museum piece, where the intention is just to preserve the

1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>architecture of Hugh Wilson and William Flynn and to offer

1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>members a historically authentic version of a great golf course.

1:32:28.640 --> 1:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's so baked into the ethos and attitude of

1:32:32.680 --> 1:32:36.519
<v Speaker 1>the club. I think that they are a US Open host,

1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:41.439
<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be hard to uproot that feeling

1:32:41.680 --> 1:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>in the club. It's kind of part of who they

1:32:45.280 --> 1:32:48.599
<v Speaker 1>think they are. And so this is the golf course

1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>you get as a result. But yeah, of course, you

1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:53.519
<v Speaker 1>and I wish that they would just say we're no

1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>longer hosting the US Open in this era. We're you know,

1:32:57.920 --> 1:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I think if enough clubs, in fact, if enough powerful

1:33:00.120 --> 1:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>clubs put their feet down and said we can't host

1:33:04.200 --> 1:33:08.679
<v Speaker 1>anymore with this equipment, then there there would be maybe

1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:13.599
<v Speaker 1>more movement on the equipment regulation front. But yeah, I mean,

1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:17.519
<v Speaker 1>the best version of the East Course at Marion would

1:33:17.640 --> 1:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>result from the club just saying, yeah, we can't do

1:33:20.760 --> 1:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>the US Open anymore. We can't even do the US

1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Amateur anymore. Bring us the US Women's Amateur, bring us

1:33:26.560 --> 1:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the US Women's Open. But otherwise we are going to

1:33:29.920 --> 1:33:33.439
<v Speaker 1>focus on and prioritize our golf course. That's that's when

1:33:33.479 --> 1:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you would start to get you know what, in my opinion,

1:33:36.200 --> 1:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>would be the greatest version of this golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's an interesting cultural thing. Like Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Club a couple of years ago, looked very very closely.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot a lot of discussion exploration around hosting a

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<v Speaker 2>US Open, and you know, it's just an interesting the

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<v Speaker 2>difference of clubs and but like championships haven't been a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the ethos at Chicago Golf. Like, yeah, sure

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<v Speaker 2>they hosted a lot of like cool tournaments over the years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's been a long time since they hosted a

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<v Speaker 2>a US Open.

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<v Speaker 1>The big tournament stopped like early in the twentieth century, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they kicked the can. They've got like a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty big property, They've got the ability to stretch the

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<v Speaker 2>golf course pretty far. But what happened was in order

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, they were going to have to build

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<v Speaker 2>a new hole and rearrange everything. And I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is it's very similar to like the links what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in the UK right now. And when it got

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<v Speaker 2>to that, the club said, what are we doing, No,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll host the were happy hosting the women's and not

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<v Speaker 2>changing our historic golf course and present the our golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>And and the discourse really I think with the USGA,

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<v Speaker 2>from from everybody I've talked to about it over there,

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<v Speaker 2>centered around like we don't we actually don't care about

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<v Speaker 2>score at all. If we do this, we whatever they shoot,

1:35:15.400 --> 1:35:19.480
<v Speaker 2>they shoot, But they are playing Chicago Golf Club presented

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<v Speaker 2>the way Chicago Golf Club is is was presented like

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<v Speaker 2>that was kind of and it's just interesting, like every

1:35:26.880 --> 1:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>club has a different kind of ethos and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why Marian's is so rooted in in US

1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:41.720
<v Speaker 2>opens championship golf courses. It has a you know, a

1:35:41.880 --> 1:35:46.400
<v Speaker 2>vibrant national membership. It has like I mean, they they

1:35:46.439 --> 1:35:49.800
<v Speaker 2>have a ton of visitor play, that guest play that

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<v Speaker 2>comes from you know, we're going to play one of

1:35:52.920 --> 1:35:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the great American championship golf courses and that And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not nothing's wrong with that, it's just it's it's just

1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:04.799
<v Speaker 2>it's a representative. It's just so representative of where modern

1:36:04.880 --> 1:36:11.080
<v Speaker 2>championship golf is between you know, infrastructure, but also just

1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>how far golfers hit the ball. It's just like the

1:36:14.880 --> 1:36:18.479
<v Speaker 2>perfect golf course that encapsulates the whole push and pull

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<v Speaker 2>of of high level men's amateur golf or high level

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<v Speaker 2>men's competitive golf right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's a it's a great test case

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the US Amateur is going to provide

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<v Speaker 1>a nice little check in to see how we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's it's great that this tournament has

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<v Speaker 1>come right after the USGA has once again decided to

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<v Speaker 1>put off the decision making and the implementation of this

1:36:48.600 --> 1:36:52.320
<v Speaker 1>proposed golf ball roll back. You know, Let's let's see

1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:55.000
<v Speaker 1>how that's going. Let's see how the the younger generation

1:36:55.120 --> 1:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>of male golfers is now playing Marion. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>will be very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Garrett, everybody can go listen to your full

1:37:03.720 --> 1:37:05.280
<v Speaker 2>what is it about an hour and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's good. It's going to be somewhere around there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's I did an interview with Wayne Morrison, who is

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<v Speaker 1>the foremost authority in the world on William Flynn and

1:37:15.720 --> 1:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>probably knows more about Marion specifically than anybody else. So

1:37:19.080 --> 1:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed him and and that's going to be on

1:37:21.080 --> 1:37:23.120
<v Speaker 1>the Design and Golf podcast, So a little bit of

1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:27.720
<v Speaker 1>an in depth exploration of Marion's history and design there

1:37:27.720 --> 1:37:29.479
<v Speaker 1>if if people want to want to go a little

1:37:29.479 --> 1:37:32.599
<v Speaker 1>bit deeper. And then we also have a video that

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<v Speaker 1>just came out on the on the morning that you

1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and I are recording this so that it'll be up

1:37:36.800 --> 1:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>on the YouTube channel by the time people are listening

1:37:39.439 --> 1:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>to this certainly where you know we we basically walk

1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:46.880
<v Speaker 1>through the East course and talk about how the routing works.

1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:50.040
<v Speaker 1>So if you're if you want to see some some

1:37:50.200 --> 1:37:54.760
<v Speaker 1>visuals put to the routing discussion that that we had

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<v Speaker 1>on on this episode, then then that's a good place

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<v Speaker 1>to go.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Thanks Garrett, look forward to here in your podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks as always for everything you do from on

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<v Speaker 2>the architecture front at Friday Golf. Thanks Anny, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>big thanks for listening to another edition of the Friday

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Podcast. Big thanks to PJ for editing and producing this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a busy week for him. He's in Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>with me this week filming some stuff for the upcoming

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<v Speaker 2>President's Cup. So big thanks to our guests as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for listening as always to the Friday Golf Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back next week.