1 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Chris Harry with you on a bonus second 2 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: episode of Chargers Weekly from the Senior Bowl here in Mobile, Alabama, 3 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: and it's a jam packed episode. A bit later, I'll 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: be joined by Eric Gauco of Optimum Scouting and Lance 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: zero Line of NFL dot Com with names of prospects 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: you need to know leading up to the NFL Draft. 7 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: But before the draft talk, Andy Benoit of the MMQB 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: joined me to talk all things Chargers all right here 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: at Senior Bowl practice with Andy Benoit of the MMQB. 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Andy's a little bit chilly right now, and there's something. 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: The restrooms here are stadium restrooms, and half of them 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: are locked. Haf got a walk along ways and then 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: the water is freezing cold when you wash your hands, 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: and you always have to decide between cold hands are 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: the risk of disease? I guess got to be careful. Yeah, 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: it's it's my hands are just horribly cold right now. 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: So you're here for the entire week? Correct? Yeah? And 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: I got in early. I got in um Saturday because 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: I can't fly on championship days. I got watched and 20 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: write about the championships. And I found when I get 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: in if I fly Monday at risk getting here really 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: late and you wind up missing a day. I come 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: in Saturday and it's like I've been like I live 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: here for a while. Yeah, my flight got canceled Monday 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: night from Dallas to Mobile because of extreme folks. So 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: you played it the right way. As a matter of fact, 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: Nature Mayfield was on my flight here, and he's the 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: headline over here. Really, when you come to an event 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: like this, what's the main priority for you? It is 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: meeting with coaches. I mean, that's all that's in many regards. 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: The only priority. I don't really get into the draft. Um, 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: I think they're I think if you do that, you 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: have to be all in and the draft experts put 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: a lot of work into that, and that's just not 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: my area. So unless I'm gonna go watch film with 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: one of these guys, which happened, I do that every 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: year with a few of the guys, I'll study them 38 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: to be prepared for that. But otherwise I just wait 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: and once, let's let him play in September and then 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: I'll start looking at him. Let's let him make the 41 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: team first exactly. Well, you know, we're a few weeks 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: removed from the end of the regular season. The Chargers. Hey, 43 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: they finished the season winning nine of twelve, really close 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: to getting into the tournament. What was your overall assessment 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: of the Charger season, knowing that it started for Yeah, 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: I thought it was a nice season. I saw Ed 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: McGuire on the way in here, in fact, the big 48 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: boss of the Chargers, one of the big bosses, and 49 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: I think he was very I think he was disappointed 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: because they realized that they're probably the best team in 51 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: the AFC West this year, but they started the way 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 1: they started and wasn't quiet enough, but they I thought overall, 53 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot to like in Anthony Lynn. That's a 54 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: really impressive debut given everything that was working against that team. 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: You know, the coaching staff to the continuity, you get 56 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: Ken wizzen Hunt and that's Bradley Back. How important is that? 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Knowing you look at the rest of the AFC West. 58 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: Denver's got a lot of new coaches, rebranding in Oakland 59 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: with John Gruden Kansas City, you don't know what's going 60 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: to happen offensively with quarterback, you got a new OC 61 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: and then the Chargers, after a year of relocation and 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: new coaches, you're the one kind of sitting pretty with continuity. Yeah, 63 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: and the only one with I guess Derek Carr's established 64 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: and that he's clearly the franchise quarterback, but the only 65 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: one with a clear, true franchise elite quarterback that you 66 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: can put the game in his hands and having to 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: be an extension of the coaching staff on the field, 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: and that does a lot for your continuity with everyone 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: else across the board. And I think they don't have 70 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: any holes on offense, and I don't know if they 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: have a side from linebacker. I don't know if they 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: have any glaring holes on defense. So it's about as 73 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: perfect a conditioning as you can have entering his season 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: in the NFL anymore. Coaching staff back, no glaring holes. 75 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: You watch a lot of film, and obviously with coaches. 76 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: We actually had you on my podcast early in the 77 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: year and we talked about Sean McVeigh and his first 78 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: year in the NFL. When you turn off film of 79 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: this Chargers defense in Gus Bradley's scheme and you look 80 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: at this past rushers starting with Ingram and Bosa, what 81 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: really stood out to you on film in twenty seventeen, 82 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: what always stands out with Ingram and Bosa is how 83 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: laterally explosive they are. And why that's important is because 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: when you're a four man rush team, and especially a 85 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: cover three four man rush team, a lot of what 86 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: you do derives from stunts and twists and the ability 87 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: to go left and right and confined areas to generate pressure. 88 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: You'll notice on third down a lot of times the 89 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: Chargers and the Seahawks have done this. If Falcons do this, 90 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: these these Seahawk branch coaches, they put three to one 91 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: three defensive linemen too, one side, one to the other, 92 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: and that's strictly to set up the stunts and twists. 93 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: And you can have two of the three linemen be 94 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram, two explosive, multidirectional guys that 95 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: can play with power or speed. You have a litany 96 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: of options available and all of them are terrifying to 97 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: the offense, so that those guys are extremely I didn't 98 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: think they finished the season as strong as I would 99 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: have hoped. I thought they got quieter in the second half. 100 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: But that's the best. At the top of my head, 101 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: I think that's the best pass rushing tandem, especially when 102 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: you factor in the scheme fit that anyone has in 103 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: the NFL. And I talked to Tom Telesco about they 104 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: those guys combined for twenty three sacks this year, but 105 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: those are just twenty three plays right, eight and fifty 106 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: plus snaps for both of those guys, and they did 107 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: drop off in terms of sacks at the end of 108 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: the year. But time Telesco did make a point just 109 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: being able to stop the run, because they were deficient 110 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: in stopping the run this year, especially when Denzel Perriman 111 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: was out and Joey Bosa was very underrated in stepping 112 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: up and really kind of sacrificing some of that pass 113 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: rush for being able to stop the run, especially towards 114 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: the end of the year. Yeah, I think he's as 115 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: good of a run defender as he is a pass rusher. 116 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: And that gets back to that lateral explosiveness in this strength, 117 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: because so much of the run defense is playing from 118 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: your hips, working down the line of scrimmage, especially if 119 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: you're the backside pursuit Ingram's a terrific backside pursuit guys. 120 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: If you've got two guys like that, plus Corey leads 121 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: you when he's healthy and I don't know how you 122 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: guys who around the team felt about, but I thought 123 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: Darius Philon off the bench was tremendous, tremendous six rounder. Yeah, 124 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: and I've always liked me being I think I think 125 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: Philon was the third best defensive alignment on the team 126 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: this year. Though that's a lot of talent up front, 127 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be ranking near the bottom of the NFL 128 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: and run defense still, so there corrections need to be made. 129 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: A lot of it probably comes from linebacker. When you're 130 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: a zone scheme, you can be a little more passive 131 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: at Titans and run defense because you have your zone 132 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: responsibility versus man to man. You can be aggressive because 133 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: if it's not a run it's a pass, you're just 134 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: running towards your man that you should if you're a linebacker, 135 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: you've got the running back. So I think zone teams 136 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: that aren't great at linebacker can get in trouble. The 137 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: two teams that play this scheme, well, actually there's three 138 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: the other Jacksonville, Seattle, and Atlanta. What they all have 139 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: in common, they're very fast at linebacker. They've got good 140 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: reading react guys. They've got high drafted guys for the 141 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: most part, and that's not the case with the Chargers there, 142 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: so they need to get better there to make that 143 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: defensive line fully beneficial to him. Yeah, I think the 144 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: back end to getting Jason Verrett back you lose him 145 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: after Game one, really, and Trevor Williams undrafted free agent 146 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: steps in starts fifteen games across from Casey Hey where 147 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: Jalila die Trey Boston, I think is an understrick to 148 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: free agent. Ye. What do you make of the secondary, 149 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: especially in the second year in Gusts system. I hope 150 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: Verrette can be what he was before the two years 151 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: in a row now that he's basically missed. Yeah, and 152 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: before that, I thought, in fact, before he went out 153 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen, those only played three weeks, but 154 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: I thought he was the best corner in the league 155 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: the first three weeks of the season, playing the best 156 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: um the year before. He was outstanding. Hayward and Varette 157 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: can be traveling man to man defenders and in such 158 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: a way where you can still play zone inside of 159 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: him too and man outside. So that's a good scenario 160 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: if they If let's say Varete's not what he was, 161 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: I think Trevor Williams is a decent enough number two corner. 162 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: He got better and run support it helps at Hayward 163 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: is top of the line. Yeah, so I think they're 164 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: pretty healthy there, good shape. Let's call it is king 165 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: in the in the nickel too. And I thought he 166 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: got I thought he got better in his own awareness 167 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: and prouding. It could be a little bit spotty here 168 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: and there, but he's a young was he a rookie 169 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: last year? He was a rookie last year, so um 170 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: Jim Thorpe Award winner too. I mean, this is a 171 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: guy who just was a magnet for the football in 172 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: college and then in preseason he made some plays Andy 173 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: where we were like this is this is gonna show 174 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: up at some point during the regular season and show enough. 175 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: He had that pick six against the Cowboys Thanksgiving Day. 176 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: He at four sacks, playing really close to the line. 177 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: So I think they found a nice spot for him. 178 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: And like he said, you hope for it comes back 179 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: and plays the way he did a couple of seasons ago. Yeah, 180 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: because he's a young talent and he's a good player. 181 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: I think he's I don't know him at all, but 182 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: my senses he's likable for whatever that's worth. So it 183 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: becomes the safety positions is what they need to get 184 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: figured out in Boston. If you resign, that'd be fine. 185 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: He's not as good as his numbers suggest in the interceptions. 186 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that can make a guy, you know, be misleading. 187 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: But he had a solid season. He was better for 188 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: the Chargers, and he was as a panther. My senses, though, 189 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna look at the safety, but I don't know 190 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: what this draft holds for safeties, but if it's a 191 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: decent class, I think they'll look at safety at some 192 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: point in the first three, certainly four rounds. Offensively, you 193 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: and I off air talked about Keenan Allen and just 194 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: his resurgence this year, playing sixteen games. He had a 195 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: stre andy, an unbelievable stretch, like there was like four 196 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: games towards the back half of the year that really 197 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: just carried the charges. Offensively, what do you make of 198 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: the year that he had? And I really think he's 199 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: cemented himself as one of the elite wide receivers in 200 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: this league. I do too, I think, and I think 201 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: it's been earned. I don't think he's he's talented, He's 202 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: not uber talented. Though he's he's not off the charts. 203 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: He's extremely skilled and you can tell he has honed 204 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: his craft. His route running is up there with Antonio 205 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Brown and Julio's. Yeah, it's as good as he gets, uh. 206 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: He's he's a top five route runner for certain and 207 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: especially on the inbreaking pattern slants and digs and post routes. 208 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: He's excellent. Keenan Allen's a true number one receiver and 209 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: the fact that he does all of this from outside 210 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: and the slot, which a lot of these elite receivers 211 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: can do. But his route running is precise from wherever 212 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: he lines up, and it's a different type of route 213 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: to run from the slot verse outside, and he adjust 214 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: and he's at all of it. I love Keenan Allen's game. 215 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: I think with Philip Rivers too. You look at all 216 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: the weapons that he has. Hunter Henry to me he 217 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: had eight touchdowns his rookie year when he was targeted 218 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: three times or fewer this year. Point blank, the Chargers lost. 219 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: When he was involving the game plan. They were a 220 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: force and they won. Tyroll Williams, Travis Benjamin, a lot 221 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: of explosive players on the outside, and then Mike Williams 222 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: is a guy you draft number seven overall, and I 223 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: think he just needs time. Andy get him a full 224 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: offseason with Philip Rivers and see how he gets integrated 225 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: into the mix, and he'll get a chance too, because 226 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: Tyroll Williams, who's very talented, has had a few offseason. 227 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: I was surprised he snuck back into the lineup late 228 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: in the year basically won the job back. But as 229 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: you know, Philip Rivers has had a lot of interceptions 230 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: and Tyrone Williams has been the culprit on a lot 231 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: of those interceptions, and there's an opportunity there for talent 232 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: to replace talent, and Mike Williams can take the Tyrrell 233 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: Williams role to a certain degree. With Hunter. It will 234 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: be interesting to see Gates as a free agent, if 235 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken he is, so it'll be interesting to 236 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: see what happens there because he can't run anymore, but 237 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: he's still Garners respectable attention, especially with the way they 238 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: use him and especially in the red zone. And a 239 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: lot of Henry's success comes out of two tight end 240 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: personnel packages with having Gates on the field, and teams 241 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: tend to play bass against the Chargers when they do that, 242 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: because those are both big tight ends, that's the other party. 243 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: It's not like one of them's a de facto slot receiver, 244 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: so they can run block, they can insert into the 245 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: formation as a basically as a fullback, so you get 246 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: a lot of linebackers guarding them. And that's part of 247 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: the reason Henry's effective. So if Gates is not there, 248 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: that changes the equation because they probably become a three 249 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: receiver offense just because you're playing your best guys. So 250 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: I would imagine they'll want Gates back for one more 251 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: year at least to at least get twenty snaps a 252 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: game out of two tight ends and let Henry get 253 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: some matchups the offensive line. Obviously you're gonna get four 254 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: lamp back. Dan Feeney, the rookie this past year, started 255 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: nine games and Philip Rivers was only sacked eighteen times, 256 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: the fewest in the league. And I think some of 257 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: that was attributed to him just getting rid of the 258 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: football and some throwaways. But the offensive line was markedly better, 259 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: and I think Russell Okung at the left tackle he's 260 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: an Orlando right now in the Pro Bowl. And there's 261 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: a reason why I gave him. I've also Peter King 262 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: called me right around right after Christmas and said, who 263 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: are you thinking, Who's gonna be your shocking All Pro vote? Yeah, 264 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: And I told him the guy I'd like to pull 265 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: the trigger on, but I don't know if I had 266 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: the guts is Russell Okung. And I thought he was excellent. 267 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Now he had a few more ups and downs than 268 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: some of the other guys. I ultimately voted Andrew Whitworth, 269 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: who was just kind of last. Yeah, he had a 270 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: nice season. But I thought o'kun played at a very 271 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: high level much of the year. And there are a 272 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: lot of scenarios where he was asked to block one 273 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: on one, which just being able to when you got 274 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers, just asking the guy to block one on 275 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: one is valuable because that ensures Rivers gets another eligible 276 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: receiver and Rivers can move in the pocket one off 277 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: to compensate if that guy does get beat. Yeah, and 278 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: then you see what you see what happened in twenty 279 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: sixteen verses twenty seventeen, when you didn't really have a 280 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: left tackle in twenty sixteen, and in the difference that 281 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: Oakong made, and I think too in the backfield Andy 282 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon fifteen hundred total yards. He went over a 283 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: thousand yards rushing, and he played hurt at the end 284 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: of the year, a game that they absolutely had to 285 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: have against the Raiders. Ultimately, you didn't get into the playoffs, 286 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: but he played very well down the stretch, and he 287 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: looks to be that dead bell cow that I think 288 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Anthony Link can really continue to mold in twenty eighteen. 289 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what style of runner Gordon ultimately becomes, 290 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: because I don't think it's quite shown itself all the 291 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: way yet. There's been flashes, but I don't know if 292 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: we quite know what type he is, and I think 293 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: his hips are better than some the people in the NFL. 294 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he's a tight hipped guy. He's certainly 295 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: not uber elusive, but I think he's loose enough that 296 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: he can run in a multitude of schemes land if 297 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: I had to guess knowing him, I've known him for 298 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: a few years back when he was at Buffalo and 299 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: with the actually back in the Jets. Because the Jets, 300 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: I think he wants to run a gap scheme with 301 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: pull blockers man to man blocking extra bodies into the 302 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: equation rather than outside zone, which takes more athletes along 303 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: the old line. I mean, he'll do whatever needs to 304 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: be done. He's got humility in that sense. But I 305 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: think Gordon can be a pretty good gap scheme runner. 306 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that's what he is, but 307 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: I remember putting in my film notes a few times, 308 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: let's just keep an eye on that, because I think 309 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: that's what they would prefer if they got to choose. 310 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: Lind said after the season two that the running games 311 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: out where it needs to be in his eyes, and 312 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: you talk about the personnel. The personnel I think said, 313 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: especially the back half of the year, throw the football 314 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more because he had a weapons to 315 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: do it. I think if they can figure out who 316 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: they are as a running team, to your point with 317 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: those gap runs and Melvin and you know, I don't, 318 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're gonna do it. This is 319 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: a draft class that's chalk full of really good runners 320 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: that you probably get in the third or fourth round. 321 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: Maybe to spell Melvin a little bit more. I look 322 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: at Austin Eckler more is a kind of that Darris 323 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: Sprowles type, someone that you bring it on third down, 324 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: not as much as a backup to Melvin who have 325 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: a compliment, Yeah, I agree with you. And he can 326 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: split outside of the formation and give you empty sets 327 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: like what James White does for the Patriots, and that's 328 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: very valuable. And then the other part is something that 329 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: bed Rivers has always been great at. He and Brady 330 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: are the two best that I've ever seen of this 331 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: is knowing when to get to your check down quickly 332 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: and understanding what's not going to be open before it 333 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: has to be confirmed that it won't be open. Because 334 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: when you can get to your check down quickly and efficiently, 335 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times the ball arrives on the running 336 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: back when the defenders are still backing up into their 337 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: original coverage, and a five yard dump off becomes an 338 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: eight yard dump off, a twelve yard dump off, and 339 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: that adds up. That's it. That's that's New England's offense 340 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: at its best in a lot of respects. When Danny 341 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: Woodhead was in the with the Chargers and he had 342 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: all those receiving yard thing, he led the league and 343 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: receiving yards part of it, and uh so, getting a 344 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 1: guy that can change speeds as a receiver is valuable. 345 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: Because Rivers will get the guy. That guy the ball 346 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: very promptly. Yeah, Eckler Western State five hundred total yards 347 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: and five touchdowns that I don't think the Chargers were 348 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: expecting from him in that offense. Andy. The AFC West, 349 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit at the top with 350 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: with Gruden going back to Oakland and Kansas City, you know, 351 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: the FC West champs and obviously the Broncos a really 352 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: tough year for them. They're They're coaching staff is coaching 353 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: the North team here, they are the Senior Bowl. You're 354 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: here pretty lively practices from the Broncos staff. I think 355 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: yesterday was you could tell there was there was a 356 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: big difference between the North and the South practice. But 357 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: what do you see you look at the landscape of 358 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: the West going into the off season, it's it's hard 359 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: to predict, and I don't want you to predict anything, 360 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: but just what do you what do you see in 361 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: the AFC West as we enter this offseason and free 362 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: agency and obviously the draft. I am eager to see 363 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: the Derek Carr John Gruden marriage and who changes for 364 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: who because what Gruden ran ten years ago when he 365 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: was last in the league nine ten years ago. It's 366 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: not what Car's been running since his Fresno State days 367 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: in early pro days. It's a shotgun league. Now. Gruden 368 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: was never a big shotgun guy in the simplest terms, 369 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: So that will interest me, and that's gonna ultimately decide 370 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: the Raiders season. Do you look at the fact that 371 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: that Greg Olsen comes over from the Rams to the 372 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: Raiders and see if if that's any indication if they're 373 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: going to run some stuff that that you saw in 374 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It's a good question. Um. Probably, I think 375 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: Olsen's role with the Rams was was just the one 376 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: on one instructor. I don't know McVeigh and La Fleur 377 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: or their offensive cordery. There were so hands on with 378 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: Jared Goff, it's hard to know what Olsen's role was. 379 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: Sure he had or I mean I I was in 380 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: on some of those meetings that they've had. He had 381 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: a role. Uh, It's hard to quantify and then say, well, 382 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: here's how we'll translate the car. Olsen has been around 383 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: a long time. He's worked with a lot of different qbs. 384 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: My senses, he's probably a really good QB teacher and 385 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: probably understands the game from their perspective. He's run offenses himself. 386 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: He's not going to do that here. It's gonna be 387 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: Gruden's offense. I would almost guarantee you. Yeah. Um, so 388 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: he's there as a as a in house tutor for 389 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: Derek Carr, which is good. That's that's very valuable. And 390 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: you probably need someone to buffer Gruden at times because 391 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: I bet he's hard on his QBS and Olsen is 392 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: my senses, he's not even maybe the good cop TODs 393 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: bad coup perfect. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to say, Eddie. 394 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: What's your schedule looking like over the next few weeks. 395 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: We got we got the super Bowl, the combine. It's 396 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: you know, the season never stops, it doesn't. I all 397 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. I've got a lot lined 398 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: up this year. Maybe bit off more than I could 399 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: chow for Thatch is always that's fine. If if you're 400 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: gonna choke, I'll choke at the super Bowl. Anything projects 401 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: that you can you can share, like any any teases. 402 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: I'll be in the film room with Cam Jordan during 403 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: the week leading up to it. And then um, they 404 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: make the players available. The Patriots and Eagles are very available, 405 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean they're gonna say anything, so it's 406 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: hard to know what you're getting out of those. They 407 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: get a whole lot of nothing, or you may get 408 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: some gems. Yeah, the time to get thems after the game, 409 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: the winning team they'll speak then. Uh so that'll be fun. 410 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: But I'm looking forward to Cam Jordan in the film 411 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: room and Terrell Suggs will do something. Uh, he'll be there. 412 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: They all these guys come in and promote things. So 413 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: if you want to be their sales pitch guy for him, 414 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: you can talk to you just about anyone. Yeah, yeah, 415 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: there are cell batteries or whatever it is. Jordan and Sugs. Fortunately, 416 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't think they're selling anything. They're just they're being 417 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: celebrity star players. So that'll be nice. That'll be fun. 418 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: Ady do great work. Check out Andy's work at the 419 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: MMQB and hopefully I'll see you at the combine, Budd. 420 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate it all right, man. We'll get to Eric 421 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: gauco of Optimum Scouting in a minute. But you never 422 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: know who you're gonna run into down here in Mobile 423 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: and Clemson head coach Debo Sweeney took in practice earlier 424 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: this week. I asked him about his former wide receiver 425 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: Mike Williams, who will look to make big strides in 426 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: year two with the Bolts. Yeah, I was kind of 427 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: a tough situation for him. He's I mean, he's special. 428 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean, and he's got he's got great people around him. 429 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: That's the best part. I mean, obviously he's got a 430 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: great quarterback, but you're sitting there with Keenan Allen and 431 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,479 Speaker 1: some other guys around him. It was good that he 432 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: was able to at least get back and get some 433 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: playing time and kind of check that box and get 434 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: some good experience. But you know he needs that, he 435 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: needs camp. You know, he needs the offseason, and you 436 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: know this is NFL football and and there's always a transition. 437 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: But make no mistake, he's he's gonna be an incredible 438 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: pro and an impactful player for the Chargers. And we 439 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: all know that. You know, when a guy gets injured, 440 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: it is hard for him to be at his best. 441 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: But you don't have to worry about that. One He'll 442 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: be back and he'll he'll be he'll be a better 443 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: second year player than he was first year player. All Right, 444 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: It's day two here in Mobile, Alabama. Senior Bowl Week 445 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: please be joined by Eric Gauco of Optimum Scouting joins 446 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: me at Chargers Weekly. Eric. How you doing, buddy, I'm 447 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: doing well. It's been good weather here so far in Mobile, Alabama. 448 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: Attle cold today though, a little cold, a little called. 449 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm from Philadelphia though, so I'm that's the thing. I'm yeah, 450 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: Los ANGELESLOVI cold, a little bit cold. But I was 451 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: telling you off air, man, I was thrilled to have 452 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: you on because I subscribe to your your Draft guide. 453 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate the March and I guess it comes out 454 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: in March again every March, right after the Tombine. Yeah, 455 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: tell me your your overall takeaways through the first day 456 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: and a half years. As we're taping this, Uh, the 457 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: South team is practicing. Yeah, the non major quarterback continues 458 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: Packson Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen I've just left. And 459 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: that's been the story here obviously, is is those two 460 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks because both guys have a great chance to be 461 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: top ten picks, and you know, it's rare to have 462 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: two top ten picks. I don't think the Senior Bowl 463 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 1: has had that in a lot of long time. Uh, 464 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, Jack, Jake Locker and Christian were here seven 465 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: eight years ago as first round picks has top twelve picks, 466 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz a couple of years ago. But having 467 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: those two guys here has been impressive and seeing them 468 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: side by side, it's easy to kind of pick and 469 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: choose the throws they're not making well or Josh Allen's misses, 470 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: but they're really both these guys and think are showing 471 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: as these All Star games do, who they really are. 472 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: And I think that Josh Allen's a great vertical passer 473 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: and miss some open throws, and Baker Mayfield's kind of 474 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: the opposite of that. So it's it's revealing who guys 475 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: are are who they are, which is which is always 476 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: good to see when you look at Mayfield and Allen, 477 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: and then we talk about the guys in la Rosen 478 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: and Donald who obviously aren't here. What's that gap close out? 479 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: How close is that gap between those four quarterbacks? Yeah, 480 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: and this maybe it sound like a cliche answer, but 481 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: I think all are pretty different this year. And you 482 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: have Donald who's kind of a bit of a project, 483 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: but teams are really comfortable with him as a person 484 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: and mentally to handle the game. But he's just more 485 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: of a it'll just take a little bit time and 486 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: he'll be good. And then you have Josh Rosen's kind 487 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: of the opposite. He's good right now, but the character 488 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: stuff is kind of the question marks there a little bit. 489 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: But I think for the two quarterbacks here, you know 490 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: they're they're a big gap away. I think Donald and 491 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: wrote Donald looked like this, this generational quarterback prospect. Rosen's 492 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: ready right now, Baker's gonna be a team fit. Not 493 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: every team's gonna like a guy who's a sub six 494 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: two quarterback and does what he does. And then Josh 495 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: Allen's gonna be I think a real big project for 496 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: some team that needs to kind of find the right system. 497 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: So I think Donald a Rosen are gonna go first 498 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: and second overall are close to that because teams trust them, 499 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: Whereas these two guys could go intowhere from five to 500 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: middle of the first round. Besides those four guys we 501 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: just talked about, Yeah, there's been some other impressive arms here. 502 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: Who else kind of stuck out to you. Yeah, Mike 503 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: Quad to Western Kentucky, had great film coming in here, 504 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: and a lot of teams are excited to see him 505 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: and he's been. He had a down year this year 506 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: a little bit, but teams are really excited about him. 507 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: We'll see if he plays well in this practice. Teammates 508 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: with Forrest Lamp. If I'm mistake, ye, Jeames, Forrest Lamp 509 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: and four and then they're good friends and they talk 510 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: high each of you. O. They are also Taywan Taylor, 511 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: a draft pick a year ago for the Titans. So um, 512 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: we'll respected here by by teams and teams are excited 513 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: to see him. They a lot of promise in twenty 514 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: sixteen twenty seventy a bit of a down year because 515 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: of the offensive system change and Forest Lamp is left 516 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: tackle being gone. But he's an intriguing guy. Think Tanner Leah, Nebraska. 517 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: Some teams are really excited about him. The strong armed guy, 518 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: a little bit like Josh Allen. Made some good throws 519 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: today and then he was a little biting, consistent. Yes, yeah, 520 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: some picks again, a lot like Josh Allen, so and 521 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: him and I think last Kyle, a lot of Richmond. 522 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: It's a mull schol guy who reminds of Jimmy Garoppolo 523 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: in some ways, which certain will get Scout's excited. The 524 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: running back class is absolutely loaded this year, and I 525 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: think Rashi Penny is really the headliner here, but there's 526 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: some other guys. I think the kid from Arizona State 527 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: had early Yes, Arizona say he's been great, Calen Ballidge, 528 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: and he looks like Levion Bell, which is always exciting. 529 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: A tall and running back would bend a little bit, 530 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: but he's been great. This week, NC State's yelling Samuels, 531 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: who was kind of under utilizing college, had a great 532 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: offense that he behinds a junior who declared he's in 533 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: this class at running back with NC State. I think 534 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: for Samuel's he's been awesome as a pass catcher and 535 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: pass blocker, which he did so well in college, and 536 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: teams more and more are valuing guys like him who 537 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: can do all three downs and opressive running back. So 538 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: you mentioned Penny. I think Jillen, Samuels and Penny be 539 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: their first two running backs drafted here. But Ballad has 540 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: been great to edit a great junior class. Obviously, we 541 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: don't know what a team's board's going to look like 542 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: right right the Chargers. I think if you're to ask fans, 543 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: they'd say, hey, maybe defensive tackle, maybe linebacker, maybe safety. 544 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Who are some guys at those positions that you think 545 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: could be available in the charges selected seventeen overall? Yeah, 546 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: good in my position if you want to, I think 547 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: a lot of juniors had declared this year. I know 548 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: a lot of teams are still playing catch up on 549 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: those juniors. But um, I think safety here we can 550 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: safety and cornerback here is loaded with talent for the 551 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: most part. Look at the roster. Has we're done here? 552 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: I think you know, interesting Chaqueen Griffin of UCF as 553 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: a linebacker, but teams to look at him at safety, 554 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: which you think is intrigued really yeah? Yeah, I mean 555 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: obviously he has a deficiency to make all the catches 556 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: such an intriguing problem. He's such a good prospect and 557 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: special teams guy that the teams are excited about him 558 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: at safety. So there's plenty of good dbs here, and 559 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: I think really the junior class is little with dB 560 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: talent as well. Where do you think Griffin goes? He's yeah, 561 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: it's it's as a big question. It's a big question. 562 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: And I think Phil Savage mentioned he's going to be 563 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,360 Speaker 1: a special teams deem right, it's his floor, right right right? 564 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: Where do you think teams will pull a trigger on Griffin, 565 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: I would say he's a draft pick, and I think, 566 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, part of it's going to be that, hey, 567 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: we want this guy's a high character guy with a 568 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: great story. It's gonna be worthwhile to be a draft pick. 569 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: And the special team stuff alone makes him a six fifth, 570 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: sixth round pick. And I think he's He's shown enough 571 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: on film. You'll get that Auburn game. He maybe had 572 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: the most impressive game of any linebacker one game in 573 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 1: the country this year, even been in the Roqueant spent 574 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: against his out Auburn game, that's how impressive Griffin was. 575 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: And you know, the hand is a question mark for teams, 576 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: but he showed it on film. It's not a problem 577 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: he shown here and pass rushols not a problem at all. 578 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: So I think his floor is sixth. I think he 579 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: goes someplace fourth, fifth, but he keeps playing well here 580 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: and he might be, you know, third fourth round guys. Surprisingly. 581 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: I want to go back to last year's Senior Bowl 582 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 1: and the Chargers they drafted Desmond King for slam. Dan 583 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: Feenie were here. I think Ray Shawn Jenkins was here, 584 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. When you look back at where 585 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: you had those guys, and then you look at the 586 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: seasons that they had. Obviously for Slam did not play 587 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: this year. What kind of stands out to you in 588 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: terms of Desmond King's play and some of these guys 589 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: who played above the expectations is right? I think they 590 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: did a great job last year, and they were a team. 591 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: I think the Chargers knew they were a team that 592 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: could be in the playoffs to have a shot at it, 593 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: and they took a lot of guys who were safe 594 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: character wise and ready to play in the NFL. And 595 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: Desmond Kings a guy with great ball skills and great 596 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: tackling ability. In those cornerbacks. We don't have the upside 597 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: of other guys in the first round due but they're 598 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: gonna be safe players. And Dan Feenie other guy, he 599 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: some question marks about his longevity to play in the NFL, 600 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: but he's an NFL guard and starter or at least 601 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: a great back. Yeah, played nine games this year, right, 602 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: And then Forrest Lamp he's a twenty nine eighteen pick 603 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: for them. You know he'll play all next year and 604 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: he's going to be there left guard of the future. 605 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: And he's a fantastic guy. So for a successive guy 606 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: in the rookie class this year and Forrest Lamp coming 607 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: back and the draft picks they have, I think we 608 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: could see them do a luxury pick at quarterback and 609 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: because of a great draft last year. Yeah, going back 610 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: to quarterback. Yeah, what has impressed you about Mayfield and 611 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: Allen this week that maybe you didn't see earlier in 612 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: just watching tape right. One of the best things about 613 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: the All Star Games in the Senior Bowl, and why 614 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of Scots about that gets 615 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: me excited, is that you know, you look at Mayfield 616 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: playing in the Oklahoma offense with a great offensive line, 617 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: great talent in the Big twelve. Josh Allen at Wyoming. 618 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: Not the same kind of weapons, not the same kind 619 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: of competition. Here, they're on the same playing field, They're 620 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: run the same routes against the same defense, with the 621 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: same NFL receivers, and you can tell pretty quickly where 622 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: these guys are standing out. So I think for Josh 623 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: Allen's he's been great on deep passes, which was expected, 624 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: and working with NFL vertical receivers, he's taken advantage of 625 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: those guys even better than I expected, but he's missed 626 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: open throw still like he did on film, and that's 627 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: for Baker. I think he's still getting comfortable out of 628 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: his Oklahoma offense. He's leaving his comfort zone and that's 629 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: good to see guys struggling here. It is not necessarily 630 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: a bad thing as long as they can improve of 631 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: the course of the week. And I look back to 632 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo when he was here what four years ago, 633 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: He improved each and every day at the practices, and 634 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: that's the kind of sign you want to say that, hey, 635 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: this guy, he has some flaws, but when things are fixable, 636 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: that's when coaches get excited. Do you sense the competition 637 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: between these quarterbacks, especially on day one, just like trying 638 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: to improve a point. You know, obviously their teammates this week, 639 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: but at the same time, all of these guys, and 640 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: even independent of the quarterbacks, you are trying to catch 641 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: the eye of scouts and coaches here. And I think 642 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks especially you look at I think Tanner or 643 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: Leave Nebraska and Luke Falk in Washington State. No, they're 644 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: kind of not afterthoughts, but secondary quarterbacks not now with roster, 645 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: and they're playing well and they're stepping up and they're 646 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: taking it seriously and they're getting mad would have a 647 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: bad throw. They're patting each other on the back too. 648 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: So I wonder if those guys would be friends after 649 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: this week saying, hey, we're the two hundred appreciated guys here. 650 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: But no, the competition's great at quarterback. It's a great 651 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: quarterback class. I think Phil Savage and Patrick Woo did 652 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: a great job of getting the top quarterbacks here. Let 653 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: these guys have a chance to play. And I wish 654 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: Mason Rudolf was here. I think he'd be He'd be 655 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: a great quarterback for this event. And it's too bet 656 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,479 Speaker 1: he had an injury. And to be honest, I think 657 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: he'd be a great fit for the Chargers if they 658 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 1: wanted to go quarterback. I think he fits a lot 659 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: of what they want to do. List chatter Mason Rulf 660 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: just for a mini because he was here. You know, 661 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: obviously he's not practicing. He's not gonna play in the game. 662 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: Fantastic twenty seventeen season. Is he a second third round guy? 663 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: You think he might be a first round guy? Really? 664 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: I think I think the late first round area. I 665 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 1: think for the Charger's sake. If if that's the guy 666 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: they're interested in, second round could be the best pot 667 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: for them again him, But he's not gonna last too 668 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: long in the draft, and I think he'll be a 669 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: bit forgotten a little bit, you know, media wise or 670 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: conversation wise, because he's not here because of the injury 671 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: and because all the juniors that declared. But now he's 672 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: a really capable passer. He's a really great ball placement 673 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: guy who would have thrived here in this kind of 674 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: setting here and one on one opportunities. But the only 675 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: concern thing teams have is is a little bit of 676 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: velossity stuff is a lossy top end? And how does 677 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: he leave that Oklahoma State offense obviously like Baylor offense 678 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: is like the Texas Tech offense. Those guys leaving those 679 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: offenses sometimes struggle a little bit early on. But I 680 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: know Rudolf I spoke with him. He's very smart kid, 681 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: understands football concepts just like Mahomes a year ago. Teams 682 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: worry about that transition, but mentally they know he's gonna 683 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: be fine. How much you think it hurts a guy 684 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: not to play in this game? Because I know, I'm 685 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: sure it hurts from Mason to not be able to 686 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: participate in front of these scouts, But as far as 687 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: the whole evaluation process, obviously the tape takes precedence, but 688 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: not to participate in these drills and these practices, how 689 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: much does that affect his draft stop if any I 690 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: think he's I think he'll be okay. You know, when 691 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: guys don't come here out of choice. I think it 692 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: hurts him. Like a Connor Cook and Ajian mccarren in 693 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: the last few years, those guys opted out to come 694 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: and those guys fell in the draft. So I think 695 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: teams know Rudolph was here for interviews. He's done the 696 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: hard part. I guess the process of impressing teams in 697 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: that way, and I bet he has. He's that kind 698 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: of person. But I think it's really out of side, 699 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: out of mind, and I think he'll he'll have to 700 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: make up part of the combine and impress them. The 701 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: throws there a little bit, but you know, really for quarterbacks, 702 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: it's all about your private team workouts. It's how about 703 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, if Mason and Josh Rosen, whoever else brought 704 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: up with the Chargers, who has the most impressive impressive 705 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: weekend in terms of being in the charge of facilities 706 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 1: to make the difference. A few more guys before I 707 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: get you add here, I want to ask you about 708 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips. Yeah, defensive tackle from Stanford. He looks to 709 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: be a you know, mid to late first round pick 710 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: as well. What have you seen from him on tape 711 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: and then obviously this week just through the first couple 712 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: of practices. Yeah, I think unfortunately he was out for 713 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: part of practice today. But he is not the top 714 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: end pass rusher, but he's so disruptive as a run 715 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: defender and that's where he thrives. He can kind of 716 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: eat up two gaps. He can work as a five 717 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: technique as a three technique, and that's value. He's been 718 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: visioning him next to Melvin Ingraham right right, and he's 719 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: that kind of guy. You know, he could eat up 720 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: a garden to tackle or half a tackle that leaves 721 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: Joey Posts a lot of room to work on the perimeter. 722 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: So I think that's what his value is going to be. 723 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: And that versatility is so important. And Stanford is known 724 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: for producing those kind of guys because not many college 725 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: teams run a lot of four and five technique for 726 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: defensive tackles and with that kind of experience, teams value 727 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: that greatly. So he was already the first day of practice, 728 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: and he's got great film to back it up. And 729 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: as long as he checks out medically in some areas, 730 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: I think he has a great time to be a 731 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: late first early second round pick. Another guy, Brian O'Neill 732 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: from Pick Tackle, who pretty versatile tackle. I think he 733 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: played right tackle his junior year and then left tackle 734 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: his senior year. He looks to be a Day one potential. Yeah, 735 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 1: he came to school as a tight end basketball player, 736 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: the cross player in high school, played tight ended in 737 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: high school and moved to tackle after his freshman year 738 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: at Pitton. You know, he reminds a lot in terms 739 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: of body type and what his projection could be to 740 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: Lane Johnson, a guy who used the Senior Bowl a 741 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 1: couple of years ago to be a fourth ro overall pick, 742 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: and at the time when he got here, Lane was 743 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: kind of that late first rolely second round guy, and 744 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: he rose because of a great week of practice here 745 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. And I think O'Neil's not quite 746 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: Lane Johnson. I don't have that pressure on the guy. 747 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: But he's that type of athletic right tackle left tackle 748 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: guy who can do that in the NFL quickly, and 749 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: teams know that. And teams are gonna draft a lot 750 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: offensive linemen in the first round this year because of 751 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: the oldline player on the league, because of the rising 752 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: oldline contracts in the NFL, and because of the great 753 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: talent this year. And I think O'Neil is one of 754 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: those guys that you know if he goes in the 755 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: top fifteen picks, I wouldn't be surprised at all. Kaiser 756 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: White the brother of Kevin White, the wide receiver for 757 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. He had a really good first day safety. 758 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued to see how the rest of the week 759 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: progresses for him in his prospects the NFL. So active, 760 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: so active on film. Was a great tackler in space, 761 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: and he can play some free safety, can play close 762 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: to the box, and the guys who can play as 763 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: wide as he does in the run game is always 764 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: so valuable. And he's mix up speeding, quick and coverage. 765 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: I think that's where he's good as well. But his 766 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: ability as a tackler from multiple alignments is going to 767 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: be so vibuble in the NFL, and you see more 768 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: and more teams not having a traditional free and strong safety. 769 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: It's the guys who can play both and just move around. 770 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: He fits that perfect like a lot of Western heire 771 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: and safeties tend to do. Recently. Who were a few 772 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: guys on Saturday the Chargers fans should keep their eye 773 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: on that. We didn't really mention here. Guys that may 774 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: be under the radar or their stock is rising a 775 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: little bit as the week progresses. Yeah, I think I 776 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: think two receivers. The Chargers are known for finding guys 777 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: in the mid to late rounds at receiver, and Michael 778 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: Gallup of Colorado State might be a late first to 779 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: really second round guy, but he's been impressing. He'll certainly 780 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: see him. I think he's velut a good rapport with 781 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: Josh Allen Dayshawn Hamilton. Also, he repent State fits exactly 782 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: what the Chargers love at their receivers. I think that's 783 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: a great fit too. And then these offensive linemen, you 784 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: know they've got Forest Lamp coming back. The offensive line 785 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: could be a question. I think Will Hernandez of UTEP 786 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: is a guy that definitely watch. He's one of the the 787 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: most impress of offensive lineman here and then defensive tackle 788 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: wise look for look for a red helmet the NC 789 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: State guys Justin Jones and bj Hill. Yeah, I've also 790 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: been good. Eric. I can't thank you for your time man. 791 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: Your podcast Scanning the Field, Yeah, how can charge us 792 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: on iTunes Scan of the Field. Also find me on 793 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: Twitter at alpham Scouting, over at Supporting News a lot 794 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: of their content also what alpbam scouting dot com. So 795 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: a lot of places to find me and hopefully we'll 796 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: we'll talk again, suit man. Yeah, and get that Draft guide. 797 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: It's coming out in March. Eric, appreciate it, Bud, thanks 798 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: so much. NFL dot COM's Land zero line is coming up. 799 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: But first, several of these prospects here in Mobile have 800 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: been recent teammates with some of the younger Chargers players. 801 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: I asked Western Kentucky quarterback Mike White what Los Angeles 802 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: can expect from his former Hilltop or teammate Forrest lamp Oh. 803 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: If you're gonna see an animal on the field, that's 804 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: what you're gonna see. The kid is unbelievable. He's something special. 805 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: There's a reason he went second round. But uh right, 806 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: sure to a first rounder. Yeah, exactly. I agree. You know, 807 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: if you ask me, he should have been the first 808 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: overall pick. But I'm sure you guys were glad he wasn't. 809 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: But you're gonna see a kid who's who's very intelligent, 810 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: who is unbelievable athlete, especially for an offensive lineman, and 811 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna see someone who's constantly straining to get better, 812 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: never satisfied, doesn't have a big ego, is all about 813 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: the team, and just an overall competitor. Penn State safety 814 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: Marcus Allen is another prospect looking to catch the eye 815 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: of NFL teams this week. His former secondary made at 816 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: Penn State is our own Trevor Williams. I asked Allen 817 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: how much Williams is big season after being an undrafted 818 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: free agent just two seasons ago, has motivated him. And 819 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: this shows me that you know, with hard work and dedication, 820 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: you know your dreams are gonna come true. You know, 821 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how you start as how you finish. 822 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: And Trevor Williams, as he got undrafted, he was undrafted 823 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: and he just showcased his talents. He didn't let that, 824 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, overwhelm him and get him down he's just 825 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: wanted to prove and you know, show everybody what he 826 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: could do. All right, I'm here with Lanceyerline of NFL 827 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: dot Com after Senior Bowl practice. Lance, how are you man? 828 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing good? How are you? I'm doing well? We're 829 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 1: your takeaways from these first two days? Uh, competitive competitive group. 830 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: I noticed a lot of players improving today. I talked 831 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: to Darius Leonard from South Carolina State. There's some guys 832 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: that I look for, you know, yeah, especially smaller schools. 833 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: Serround Neil from Jacksonville State. You know, guys who are 834 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: are having to challenge themselves mentally because they're gonna step 835 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: up level competition. I want to see how they handle it, 836 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: and not just in day one. I want to see 837 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: if they improve from one to two and then one 838 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: to three. So I think that's one of the things that, 839 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: you know, I really noticed there were some guys who 840 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: got who got better from just yesterday, which which is 841 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: nice to see these three days. What's the third day leg? 842 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it a little bit more low key? 843 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: They ramp it up a little bit on Thursday. No, 844 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: it's still it's still the same. I mean they've changed 845 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: the schedule now, so they don't have games on Monday. 846 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: You know, they're doing the I mean, I'm sorry, they 847 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: don't have practices Monday. They're doing the back to back 848 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: practices now to make it a little more efficient for 849 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: the scout. So you have three full days and it 850 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: will still be competitive. I mean, you'll you know, I 851 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: don't know a lot of times, it really depends on 852 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: how the coaching staffs. Do they want to dial it 853 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: back a little bit, or do they want to increase 854 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: the intensity or keep the intensity high. And I think 855 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna see him keep the intensity high for the 856 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 1: practice tomorrow. How much do you take from weeks like this, 857 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: knowing that obviously the tape probably takes precedence. You have this, 858 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,439 Speaker 1: you got to combine, you get these other All Star 859 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: games this last two or three months. How does that 860 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: go into the evaluation process? Well, it can vary from 861 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: from player to player, but hey, it's a very important 862 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: part of the process because you're gonna hear a lot 863 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: of people just say, well, the tape is all the matters, 864 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: or the tape is eighty five percent of it or 865 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: ninety percent of it, And you know what, that is true. 866 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: The tape is a huge part of it, but you 867 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: also have to remember that, you know, this is also 868 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 1: kind of a normalizing effect where you have the same 869 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: level of competition playing against each other, so you get 870 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: a real vibe. Sometimes it's hard when you see, you know, 871 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: teams where the level competition is low, like Dewey Jarvis. 872 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: I really liked him from Brown. He came out here 873 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: yesterday and really struggled. I thought, when the level of 874 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: competition is hire, so you get a kind of normalize 875 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: the level of competition for some of these guys. So 876 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: I think it's very important. I mean, the combine is 877 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: important for a different reason, but out here and at 878 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: the Shrine game, in the NFLPA game, you know, you're 879 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: you're going head to head with with people who want 880 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: it with the same job you're trying to go. Yeah. Yeah. 881 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: One of the things I noticed, too, is the competition 882 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: amongst the guys. You know, obviously their teammates, but at 883 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: the same time they're trying to catch the eye of 884 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: every scout in GM and head coaches watching them. How 885 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: do you think they balance just playing ball and not 886 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: really trying to get too far out of their heads. 887 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: I think it's tough because it really depends on you know, 888 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: that's a it's a really a good case study in 889 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: not only mental toughness, but preparation and focus, because if 890 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: you come out of here and you're tight. There's been 891 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: plenty of players who have been tied out here, and 892 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: actually plenty of good players who are tight who end 893 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: up not having good senior balls but have great Dwight 894 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: Freeney didn't have a great Senior Bowls one of the 895 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: all times, it's pretty good. So he's still going. Yeah, 896 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: he's still going. So I think, you know, what it 897 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: allows you to do is you can kind of you 898 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: can kind of see how guys are focused and prepared 899 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: to succeed or struggle early on. You know, you call 900 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: them teammates. But it is funny because if you think 901 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,480 Speaker 1: about it, the North is really playing against the North, 902 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: and they're going to be in three practices and most 903 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: of the team's opinions are going to be based on 904 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,280 Speaker 1: the practice really very little on the game. So in essence, 905 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: it's the North versus the North, and the South versus 906 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: the South, and they happen to have a scrimmage at 907 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: the end of it. Yeah, but really it's it's like 908 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: days like today, after practice and during practice. These are 909 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: when the real games are happening. I want to ask 910 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 1: you about some of these quarterbacks. Obviously Mayfield and Allen 911 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: or the headliners here. Mason Rudolph isn't going to participate. 912 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: He's hurt the gap between let's say, like a Rosen 913 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: and a Darnold versus Mayfield and Allen. How big is 914 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: of a week? Is this for those guys to really 915 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: try to catapult themselves into that conversation, whether it be 916 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 1: a top ten pick, top five pick, who knows. Yeah, 917 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: I think it's big. I think it's really big. And 918 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: I think specifically for those two. Josh Allen, you know, 919 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 1: played a little lower level of competition, had some inconsistencies 920 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: with accuracy. With Baker, you want to see how he performs, 921 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, out here with his height going up against bigger, 922 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: better defensive players, and maybe he saw in the secondaries 923 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: of some of the Big twelve teams he took on 924 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: with Baker, A lot of it's going to be personality too, 925 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 1: that teams just want to get a feel for who 926 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: he is as a person, how he handles the command 927 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: of you know, can he command the practice, can he 928 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: command his players? And Uh, it's really different for both 929 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: of those guys. Who's Baker's already shown you what he 930 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: can do. You know what he can do. Now do 931 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 1: you believe in him being able to translate to the NFL? 932 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: Do you believe in him translating from a size standpoint, 933 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: from a scheme standpoint? With Josh Allen, I think he's 934 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 1: still proving the team some people. Can he play like, 935 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: can he play at a high high level? I mean 936 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. The arm talent is substantial. 937 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: One of the biggest arms I've ever seen of a 938 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: quarterback I've studied. He's big, he's mobile, but you got 939 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 1: to be consistent and then you gotta be able to handle. 940 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: I had a team tell me he's a small town kid, 941 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: like they worry that early on, could it be too 942 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: big for him? And that's something he has to prove 943 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: that kind of thing too, And I don't know that 944 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: you really can prove it out here in conversations, and 945 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: so it's hard. You're right, I mean, you'll see you 946 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: get drafted by a big market team. There's so much 947 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: that goes with being the face of the franchise and 948 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: the quarterback of that team and managing everything that goes 949 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: off outside of the practice facility. Yeah, well, I mean 950 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: face of the franchise is a that's a really big thing. 951 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: I was there at I was at Houston when David 952 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 1: Carr was drafted, the first pick to be the face 953 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: of a brand new franchise, and you just you can't 954 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 1: even imagine how substantial the pressure gets to be on 955 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: a player like that, and the amount of media, media 956 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: things they have to fulfill, the advertising commitments of the 957 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 1: sponsors of the team. Now, the you know, the websites, 958 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: the Chargers now exactly. I mean, that's a really big deal. 959 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't a big deal at all two thousand and two, 960 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,480 Speaker 1: but that's a that's another media outlet now that you 961 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: have to deal with on a consistent basis. So how 962 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: you deal with the media, how you deal with the 963 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 1: people inside the building, how you deal with thirty one 964 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,959 Speaker 1: year old veterans who are this is their last shot 965 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: to try to win. I mean, there's so many different 966 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: things you're trying to deal with that are unlike anything 967 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: you saw in college that it's very difficult to predict 968 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: how a guy will handle that because they've never had 969 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 1: most of them have never had anything remotely, you know, 970 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: close to the level of responsibility they'll have. Occasionally you 971 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: get a guy like Darnold, who, let's face it, that's 972 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: a high profile player at a high profile program. You 973 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: get a little bit of a look there. With Josh Allen, 974 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: there's there's really no telling. Yeah, I want to get 975 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: to the Chargers. They're selecting number seventeen overall, and a 976 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: good thing for them. They got a lot of players 977 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,320 Speaker 1: coming back next year. Their first round pick Mike Williams 978 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: was hurt last year and hopefully he gets a full 979 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: offseason and stays healthy for slam comes back. When you 980 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: look at number seventeen, I hear fans talk about defensive tackle, 981 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: right tackle, safety. Who are a few guys at those 982 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,959 Speaker 1: positions that are playing in this game that are worth 983 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: watching over this weekend. Oh, I wouldn't say any of 984 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,320 Speaker 1: the tackles defensive tackle. I think that's a little early 985 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: for Deshaun Hann from from Alabama. I'm not sure. You know, 986 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport could be a guy. He's more at an 987 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: end position. That's really not a need. I mean, you're 988 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: talking about interior guys. Yeah, I don't think that's really 989 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,480 Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips much. Yeah, I tell you, I've talked to 990 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: some teams. I think it's a little early for Harrison Phillips, 991 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: but he's he makes plays. He's a former wrestler, so 992 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 1: he's got a wrestling background. With leverage, he's very very powerful. 993 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: He doesn't always look pretty, he'll end up on the ground, 994 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,040 Speaker 1: but man, he's very very effective. What was the other 995 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: position you mentioned? Safety? So uh yeah, I mean those 996 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: are positions. It's gonna be tricky, and especially for guys 997 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: who are out here. I don't really see it in 998 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: the first round. Well you got you know, let's have 999 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: the same convers station at Combine. It's a little different 1000 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: conversation because all the underclassmans are underclassman are in it. 1001 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: But for right now, it's just pretty limited, yeah, you know, 1002 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: relative to those needs. Kaiser White's he's intriguing to me. 1003 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,840 Speaker 1: I like Kisier White. I think he's gonna be a 1004 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,279 Speaker 1: h I think he's gonna be a linebacker though he's 1005 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,720 Speaker 1: a lot of teams projecting to be about two hundred 1006 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 1: and thirty five pounds like a hybrid. Yeah yeah, kind 1007 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: of a will linebacker and a fourty three who will 1008 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,800 Speaker 1: be a hybrid role of safety and nickel linebacker. I 1009 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what you're looking at to get 1010 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: you out of here on this. Give me a guy 1011 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 1: Saturday that is under the radar, like it's just an 1012 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: intriguing prospect that not many people know about. This kind 1013 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: of showing out this week. How about will her Nandez. 1014 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,760 Speaker 1: You've heard his name multiple times today. Yeah, you tap 1015 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: guard who I think has got a chance to be 1016 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: maybe the second best guard in his draft class behind 1017 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,839 Speaker 1: Quinton Nelson, who I think is gonna be an all 1018 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: pro m. I think that Will Hernandez to me is 1019 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: everything you want an NFL player. He's big, he's wide, 1020 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: he's strong, he's got great body composure, um and he 1021 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,439 Speaker 1: and he's he's athletic too. He's a very athletic player 1022 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: for me. In three hundred and forty pounds, he carries 1023 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: his weight well. So that would be a guy that 1024 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: I think is going to be a ten year player 1025 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And it's just a little ottle utap, 1026 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: no big deal on one in his own business. And 1027 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: then when he does forty bench press reps at the combine, 1028 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: people are gonna say, WHOA, It's just your eye. Yeah, 1029 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 1: and I think if you pay attention to the offensive 1030 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: line play at the Senior Bowl, you'll be saying the 1031 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: same thing too, Lance, Thanks so much for time, Bud, 1032 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: absolutely and that'll do it. My thanks to Andy Benoit, 1033 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,200 Speaker 1: Eric Gauco, and lander Line for joining me, and thanks 1034 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: to you all for listening. Be sure to subscribe to 1035 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly on Apple Podcasts and leave a review. Helps 1036 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: spread the words. We can get this to as many 1037 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: Chargers fans as possible in the offseason. Enjoy the Senior 1038 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: Bowl and until next time, I'm Chris Harry