WEBVTT - Was Taylor Frankie Paul Always A Bad Decision?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I do Part two.

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<v Speaker 2>It's your host, Jane Kramer, and I've got one of

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite celebrity mentors here on the pod with me,

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer Fessler. And today we're diving into all the divorce

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<v Speaker 2>and Chapter two headlines in the news this week, because

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<v Speaker 2>there is a lot happening. Let's start off with these

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<v Speaker 2>Mormon wives.

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<v Speaker 3>Him my love, Oh you look beautiful, beautiful, you always

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<v Speaker 3>look freaking beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>You all right, girlfriend, Jen, It's a pleasure to have you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad that we are back together catching up

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot to catch up on. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>dive in first with all this Mormon white stuff. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you seen all the headlines with in Dakota? And then

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<v Speaker 2>they're the latest video just dropped too, from the incident.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is happening in h this is happening

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<v Speaker 3>in real time. I mean we literally this happened five

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<v Speaker 3>minutes before we just started recording. So yeah, unfortunately, unfortunately it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was hard to miss. And did you see it?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you see the because I saw one of the podcasters, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>Nikki what's her name whatever, like talking about it and

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<v Speaker 3>they said, you know, I am not even gonna post it.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go to TMZ if you want to see it,

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<v Speaker 3>which I did, and so I was able to actually

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<v Speaker 3>see the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see it? I can't watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>I given my d the whole DV background. I I

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<v Speaker 2>I those things are super triggering, and especially I heard

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<v Speaker 2>that the daughter got hit, and I just I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. I struggle with yeah, things like that, you know, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I do know. So I'm glad. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>many what was your from what what I was told,

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<v Speaker 2>And we just spoke about this my podcast wind down

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<v Speaker 2>to we were talking about he was saying stop and

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<v Speaker 2>being like, this is what abuse looks like. And she

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<v Speaker 2>just kept got him in the headlock, hurled some stools

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<v Speaker 2>at him, and then apparently the daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Even which they usually are everything like they.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Coda obviously sent this video because he recorded it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he's saying that. I think he's saying that he did.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, honestly, like to our listeners, this is happening

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<v Speaker 3>in real time. I think he's claiming that he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>or his rep is I don't know either way.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't even matter because he.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably sent it to somebody too. And then like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, because that yeah, yeah, and then that

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<v Speaker 2>person probably leaked because there it's like it's been earlier

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<v Speaker 2>she said about all of it, and probably from the

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<v Speaker 2>last allegations of her choking him with the necklace, and

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<v Speaker 2>then what she's saying that he was he was the

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<v Speaker 2>aggressor in the car, and both things can be true, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing where it's unfortunate with the situation is, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he could have been the aggressor in the car, and

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<v Speaker 2>yes she could have been the aggressor with choking him

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<v Speaker 2>with the necklace, But what was your stance when you

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<v Speaker 2>watch the video? Because I think when I watched the videos,

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<v Speaker 2>all it was sickening, and everyone is going to feel

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<v Speaker 2>this way. I think it was just the baby was

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<v Speaker 2>the part that was the whole thing was sickening, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you factor in the baby, and so that's like

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<v Speaker 2>a whole different level of you know, just awful, disgusting,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just gut wrenching. And then so I watched

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<v Speaker 2>the first season of Mormon Wives, and our producer Heather

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<v Speaker 2>had reminded me that like the first episode that was

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<v Speaker 2>when it was all happening, that she had gotten They

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<v Speaker 2>showed her getting arrested, which by the way, was my

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<v Speaker 2>and I just had also spoken about this. It always

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<v Speaker 2>kind of rubbed me the wrong way that it just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of went away, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>And are we addressing the fact that abuse is not

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<v Speaker 2>okay on both sides? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>And if I remember correctly, that happened, but they stayed together.

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<v Speaker 1>They it's been like back and forth. They broke up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm actually gether. They broke up, so they're off

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<v Speaker 2>and on. Okay, yeah, they're off and on. So again

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<v Speaker 2>watching the video.

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<v Speaker 3>So watching the video is gut wrenching, and I'm really

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<v Speaker 3>glad you didn't watch it. And also I thought, whoever

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<v Speaker 3>accepted that final rose if that person is not running

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<v Speaker 3>for the hills, I don't know how. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sorry now, I'm just thinking in terms of like TV

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<v Speaker 3>and these are real people in real lives. So I

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<v Speaker 3>don't mean to be callous. But I saw her also

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<v Speaker 3>today or yesterday on the Today Show.

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<v Speaker 1>She don't get more Americ excuse me? On Good Morning America.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's been on Regis. I'm sorry, not rags, Markan Kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>She's being Morning America. She's been doing the rounds because

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<v Speaker 2>Bachelor I supposed to air on Sunday, which from this

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<v Speaker 2>now video, do you think that it should air so?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>But also, and I'll tell you why. But I watching

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<v Speaker 3>her on Good Morning America, I thought she handled it

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<v Speaker 3>like a champ. Right now, I hadn't seen her.

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<v Speaker 2>She said the same thing. I thought she handled it

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<v Speaker 2>really well on the mark in Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see her.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she was basically just like all of my premieres

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<v Speaker 2>have been ruined. You know, he's tried to sabotage my premieres,

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<v Speaker 2>you know so.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't hear her say that on Good Morning America. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I heard her say more like this is I can't

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<v Speaker 3>hide it. This is like the worst thing that could

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<v Speaker 3>ever happen. And I'm still showing up. I don't and

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<v Speaker 3>whatever she said, I don't, you know, I don't remember

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<v Speaker 3>the words. But I found her personally. I found her sympathetic,

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<v Speaker 3>right And now I am not jury, I'm not god.

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<v Speaker 3>I only have though. Yeah, I just I'm coming right

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<v Speaker 3>off of that video and it's just awful. And it

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<v Speaker 3>feels to me like spotlighting that they said that she was.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't she get help when she went away for a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>She I believe she went to some sort of retreat center.

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's a place called the Hoffmann Institute, which

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<v Speaker 2>I debated.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to after my divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up choosing on site, which is in another

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<v Speaker 2>amazing place to you know, do a lot of healing work.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was so proud of her because that work

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<v Speaker 2>is some really hard work to go back and clearly

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<v Speaker 2>she's had some trauma in her life. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know his story as much, but just from

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<v Speaker 2>what I've been, just from what I've watched and learned

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<v Speaker 2>about her, that she really needed that place. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I was hoping that that place and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with doing the Bachelorette and being happier and finding that healing,

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<v Speaker 2>that she would be on the other side of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then to hear more allegations of that abuse again

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<v Speaker 2>is sour.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well so he they say that he was an addict,

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<v Speaker 3>but I guess he was an addict. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if he's said it also and that, but also Taylor's

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<v Speaker 3>dad was abusive to Taylor's mom. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 3>you know, abuse repeating yourself. Dakota's right, so Dakota is

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to be an or is an addict. I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's always it's always I think he's in recovery,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's always messy and awful.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess there's so many.

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<v Speaker 3>Pieces of this right like, but the piece right now

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<v Speaker 3>is that this show is about to air. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, I don't know how you watched this show

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<v Speaker 3>with a smile and in a way that's impartial, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's such a fun show to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I love well, you want for people to find love.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when when you watch The Bachelor, the girls,

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<v Speaker 2>you know they're they're a little uh who they are

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<v Speaker 2>bond and I had their bonds and stuff. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when you watch the Bachelorette, it's like, okay, these the

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<v Speaker 2>guys and and kind of you know, seeing right who's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, who's who would be you know, good fit

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<v Speaker 2>for her? But right now, I mean it sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>she's like a little you know, it's myself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean it's like a little fairy tale,

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<v Speaker 3>right It's like it's it's it's fun, and it's you're

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<v Speaker 3>hoping that they're going to ride away.

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<v Speaker 1>Into the sunset.

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<v Speaker 3>But whoever took that last rose from her, we're already

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like, how is that panning out? I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it just so it's I feel like it's over before

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<v Speaker 3>it even begins. But you know, who am I I'm

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<v Speaker 3>this is I'm just just as a viewer. But I

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<v Speaker 3>felt like when I watched it, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>everyone else feel like this. It's awful. But the baby

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<v Speaker 3>of it all was horrendous.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what's really sad about this too. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that she grew up in a violent household,

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<v Speaker 2>but unfortunately, when you were a child of abuse, that

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<v Speaker 2>is then ingrained in you to think that is what

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<v Speaker 2>is normal, and that is the farthest thing from what

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<v Speaker 2>is actually normal. And unfortunately then she's just taking on

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<v Speaker 2>that pattern then for her children.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so she didn't grow up with her dad, I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>But I can also say that I grew up with

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<v Speaker 3>a certain amount of abuse as well, physical and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't really talk about a lot, but anyway, but I've

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<v Speaker 3>been through thirty years of therapy, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 3>because God forbid, I repeat my childhood and I'm very

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<v Speaker 3>proud of that. And I married the world's most gentleman.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's also that, but I feel for her, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel for there are patterns and everything about it is

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<v Speaker 3>just sad. And maybe we judge, we should judge, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't judge. I don't even know, but I just

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<v Speaker 3>don't think at this point that I would watch the bacherette.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think if it was a man in this situation,

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<v Speaker 2>they would pull it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's where I think it's not it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it shouldn't be a double standard when it comes to abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>I've also been talking to just people that I know

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<v Speaker 3>in casting who say that, you know, she went directly

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<v Speaker 3>from one show to the next, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how extensive at that point, Like the

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<v Speaker 3>background checks, there's so much when you go into a

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<v Speaker 3>real at least for me, you tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>But like when I.

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<v Speaker 3>About the arrests though, I mean you know about the

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<v Speaker 3>arrest I guess there wasn't anything else at that point. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>But like when I got cast, I was not just

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<v Speaker 3>a background check on me. I mean, my husband wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>getting paid. They did a full background check on him

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<v Speaker 3>and a full deep dive into everything we've ever done

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<v Speaker 3>on Facebook and social media, and you know, so there

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<v Speaker 3>is something.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to say about the divorce or sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the divorce. But the abuse side of things is

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<v Speaker 2>that so many times it's the man is the abuser,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are cases where the women where the woman

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<v Speaker 2>is also the abuser, and it's not talked about as

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<v Speaker 2>much because people just automatically think the man's the abuser.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am by no means calling her the soul

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<v Speaker 2>abuser by any by any means. But what I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to highlight is a term called violent resistance. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's something that I learned going through my DV story.

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<v Speaker 2>When you are in an abusive relationship, nine out of

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<v Speaker 2>ten women end up retaliating with violent resistance. Now then

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<v Speaker 2>their abuser will say, well, you're abusive. But the violent

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<v Speaker 2>resistance is a lot categorizes under a self defense, it

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<v Speaker 2>categorizes under it at times. It's also when they want

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<v Speaker 2>they want to fight back for themselves, they want to

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<v Speaker 2>either regain the control. But that is where it becomes cloudy.

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<v Speaker 2>And this might be this might be Taylor in that

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<v Speaker 2>violent resistance mode because but it's hard when you watch

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<v Speaker 2>a video where he's saying stop and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>where it gets a little hard because if he's saying stop,

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<v Speaker 2>then she's not in immediate danger. So people will just

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<v Speaker 2>think she's the abuser, but they don't they're not aware

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<v Speaker 2>of the violent resistance piece of it where she has

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<v Speaker 2>maybe because we don't know, she maybe has endured lots

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<v Speaker 2>of violence from him.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so what are your thoughts about this from this

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<v Speaker 3>was three years are coming out today?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, again, I think it's the part where we don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the full story. And that's why I want to

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<v Speaker 2>bring up the violent resistance because I think if someone

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<v Speaker 2>watches that video, they're just gonna be like, oh, she's

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<v Speaker 2>the abuser. But there is such a big piece and

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<v Speaker 2>this is where it's not talked about. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>why I want DV to be spoken about more, is

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<v Speaker 2>because there is that violent resistance piece of it. And

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<v Speaker 2>again because we don't have all the facts. Again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying what she did is okay, absolutely not, like

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you're not like you are not no

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<v Speaker 2>means am I using very clear of course, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>like you should not put your hands on someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Having said that, within the violent.

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<v Speaker 2>Resistance in an abusive relationship, these women feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>have to fight back. Yeah, and what was the video

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<v Speaker 2>showing before he recorded things?

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<v Speaker 1>Again, I'm not saying it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And my therapist I always say that it's like violence

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<v Speaker 2>is not the answer. Having said that, when you are

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<v Speaker 2>in an abusive relationship, and again, nine out of ten

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<v Speaker 2>women end up going into that violent resistance And the

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<v Speaker 2>problem is the woman ends up getting arrested because of

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<v Speaker 2>reactions then because now he's rolling a camera, what was

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<v Speaker 2>he doing before they came?

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<v Speaker 1>Again, none of it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, like any part of it is okay, But there's

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<v Speaker 2>also a bigger picture within what happens when you are

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<v Speaker 2>in a domestic violence And so let me let me

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<v Speaker 2>be this relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>What if you spin that right and you say and

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<v Speaker 3>or she also could just be this like that to who? Again,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't know, because women can be the abuser to

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what I was gonna say. So, how often

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<v Speaker 3>when you see a man being violent do we say

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<v Speaker 3>was he? Is there such a thing as a man

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<v Speaker 3>also being a violent resistor?

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<v Speaker 1>I understand what you're saying with that. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a percent I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, but and you know, maybe you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. I don't know that situation, but we also

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<v Speaker 2>know for you know, yes, they could say, well, a

0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.440
<v Speaker 2>woman could just walk away. He's saying stop, he could

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<v Speaker 2>have you know, he was trying to get away. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>it's from what this video is. And that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>That's something you know that I haven't spoken to my

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<v Speaker 2>therapist about that piece, you know. But in cases, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm it should be the same way. But he also no,

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<v Speaker 2>because he shouldn't. A man also shouldn't lay his hands

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<v Speaker 2>on a woman, and again a woman shouldn't either. So

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<v Speaker 2>in most cases it is the healthy yes, that's where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, but no, no hands should ever be on anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. But if you are feeling like you

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<v Speaker 2>are unsafe and you need to protect yourself, that is

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<v Speaker 2>when it gets cloudy, because if they feel trapped or stuck,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a there's a whole list online about the

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<v Speaker 2>different stages of why someone does the violent resistance, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and again when you went in the court

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<v Speaker 2>of law, it's it's really hard because they'll look at

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<v Speaker 2>that video and go, well, you weren't in danger, so

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<v Speaker 2>you were the you were the one attacking like they're

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<v Speaker 2>happened to yesterday, what happened course, Like they're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to take into account what happened the last five years

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<v Speaker 2>in their relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just going to see her as the abuser. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And I also think that, let's get real for a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's a woman that is, I mean, I'm even

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to say that in this day and age, but

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<v Speaker 3>more likely that the woman is taking the physical abuse. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just it just is. But I'm not saying it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't happen like in this case, and I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 3>that a woman can't be the physical abuser. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if it's okay for a man to then

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<v Speaker 3>develop that kind of resistance. It's all very ugly and

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<v Speaker 3>complicated and sad, and I think you're right, needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be talked about more, you know. And also I guess

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<v Speaker 3>she was also, I guess she used to be drinking.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a drinker back when it happened three years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and she's not anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Physis.

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<v Speaker 2>In the context of intimate partner violence, a man can

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<v Speaker 2>engage in violent resistance, which is defined as the use

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<v Speaker 2>of violence in response to a partner's course of controlling

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<v Speaker 2>violence when.

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<v Speaker 1>Men are more while men are more.

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<v Speaker 2>Often the primary per portrayers of intimate terrorism, Research indicates

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<v Speaker 2>that some men use violent violence to resist, defender retaliate

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<v Speaker 2>against a partner's controlling behaviors.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and that might be what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're toxic relationship back and forth, like they both

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<v Speaker 2>need to just co parent separately.

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<v Speaker 1>And really, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean this is not especially since it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even after the Bachelorette, this is still happening where they're

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<v Speaker 2>still talking about his past and perhast people.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in the.

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<v Speaker 2>You should not be putting your hands on anybody, plain

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<v Speaker 2>and simple. And something that I've learned is anytime that

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<v Speaker 2>anything ever gets heated, we just have to you have

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<v Speaker 2>to walk away. You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's you know, what's so funny, Jane, is that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't even know if you watch Jersey because it feels

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<v Speaker 3>like now it was one hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But the finale of.

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<v Speaker 3>The last season that we did, which was season fourteen,

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<v Speaker 3>got violent, and so it did, and I the whole

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<v Speaker 3>cast was a whole cast finale, and I just left

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<v Speaker 3>and I got to look for it from my viewers

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<v Speaker 3>because a lot of them just said it was supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to I was not supposed to do. I was like

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<v Speaker 3>hosting this luncheon with Dolores, and as soon as it

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<v Speaker 3>got violent, my I just couldn't whether it's my own

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<v Speaker 3>you know, past and and what I've I get very

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<v Speaker 3>freaked out and I just couldn't stay. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not out of here, and I did. I got

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of youer crap for it, like she leaves,

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<v Speaker 3>you were hosting the lunch. That's your job. That ain't

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<v Speaker 3>my job. My job job, it's not my job. Nomen

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<v Speaker 3>take them out to get sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no interest in that. Yeah, none, Well good

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<v Speaker 1>for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm just saying like if I make good TV,

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<v Speaker 3>like all this is such a great it's not a

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<v Speaker 3>great set.

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<v Speaker 1>Abuse it's never a great TV. That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that is where like, uh, it's being physical. That

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<v Speaker 2>is not something that our children need to see. That's

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<v Speaker 2>not something that we need to witness or do to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else to the respect level. When you have to

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<v Speaker 2>grab someone, hurt someone, push someone verbally physically, that is

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<v Speaker 2>not something to get viewership for. And if that's something

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<v Speaker 2>that ABC is going to keep on, that just shows

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<v Speaker 2>that they are feeding into this really awful narrative that

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<v Speaker 2>it's acceptable and it's not acceptable on the side, whether

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<v Speaker 2>violent resistance or not, like there is you should not

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<v Speaker 2>Like again, do you have to defend yourself one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 2>like defend yourself to get out of a situation if

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<v Speaker 2>that's you know, the case. But it's not something where

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<v Speaker 2>you should be highlighting or saying that behavior is okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree completely. Do you think that ABC should call

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<v Speaker 3>it off?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I hope they do, just because if not,

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<v Speaker 2>then they're wanting to see the viewership of the And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm proud of the girls for not filming The Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Life and being like, you guys need to figure this

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<v Speaker 2>out because you're just enabling a situation that is not

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<v Speaker 2>healthy and is not safe for anybody. It is like

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<v Speaker 2>DV is not something to joke about, to get viewership

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<v Speaker 2>about to It's just not at all. And if it

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<v Speaker 2>was a guy, they would have shut it down immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>We're on the same side of history here, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is a guy too. It's a it's this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not. I don't think it's just one person.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's the both of them are in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a toxic cycle that they have to step right outside

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<v Speaker 2>from each other.

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<v Speaker 3>The other piece is even if you which you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm just talking like hypothetically, even if they were

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<v Speaker 3>together again and there wasn't violence, So how are you

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<v Speaker 3>going in through a whole season knowing that they were

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<v Speaker 3>unless they were just exchanging kids, I guess or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm just thinking of like the logistics of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, after you get the final rose, then you're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of what I know about it right from what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just a viewer, But you're isolated. You go somewhere,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't talk to anyone. I think that your kid

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<v Speaker 3>would be brought to you. You wouldn't go hang out

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<v Speaker 3>with your ex who you were in an abusive relationship with.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, the whole thing is just a show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's sad. It's really sad because there's kids involved. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't obviously never saw this.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew she'd been arrested, but I didn't really know

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<v Speaker 3>all the details. But I've been asked before just in

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<v Speaker 3>talking about pop culture, like out of all the Mormon wives,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I always liked the messy girl, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I just think she's so cute and she's so all

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<v Speaker 3>over the place. And you know, I didn't know her past.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't judging like, oh, she had been arrested. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I didn't even at that point factor into it.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought she was just a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a hot mess and I'm always drawn to those people.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, so I liked her.

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<v Speaker 3>I liked her in Good Morning America when I watched

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<v Speaker 3>her two days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>There needs to be, yeah, a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of healing work done though, and yeah, separation from them,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you know anyone called the National Domestic Violence

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<v Speaker 2>Hotline at one eight hundred seven nine nine seven two

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<v Speaker 2>three three hard. Turn now to the brutal reason why

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Urban's daughter Sunday snubbed the singer. So Keith Urban

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole Kiman's daughter have reportedly fully taken their mom's side

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<v Speaker 2>after their parents' divorce. Sunday recently snubbed her father in

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<v Speaker 2>a new interview in which she gushed over Kidman and

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<v Speaker 2>failed to mention him. Sunday called Kidman her biggest inspiration

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<v Speaker 2>in life and a key part of everything she does.

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<v Speaker 2>An interview with Elle, in which Urban reportedly took issue

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<v Speaker 2>but felt a numb too. They've made their own choices

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<v Speaker 2>about their dad, a source claim to the outlet. Kidman

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<v Speaker 2>isn't like that Keith hasn't tried much to make things better.

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<v Speaker 2>In their eyes, the girls have always been close with

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<v Speaker 2>their mother. They are her everything. A source also told

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<v Speaker 2>the aule Of that Sunday and Faith are hurt and

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<v Speaker 2>angry on her behalf following their parents split after nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>years of marriage. There's some resentment against Keith. If they

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<v Speaker 2>are blaming someone, it's him, not her, they said. Urban

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<v Speaker 2>is reportedly worried about his relationship with his daughters, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's hopeful that I will turn around. He's hurt, but

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<v Speaker 2>he feels he can patch things up. He doesn't blame Nicole,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't seem like she's alienating them from him.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I feel like when kids are that age,

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<v Speaker 2>at fifteen seventeen, they're like, I was very aware what

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<v Speaker 2>happened in my parents' divorce. I was thirteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I understood that what happened happened, and it was never

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<v Speaker 2>my mom saying your dad's a bad person. I made

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<v Speaker 2>up for myself what I thought it was. And now

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<v Speaker 2>my dad and I have a great relationship, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was a relationship that just took time because of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I witnessed and I saw and I felt

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid, and I think in those years that's

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<v Speaker 2>a really tough age. And as well, I went to

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<v Speaker 2>my mom and that too because you want to protect

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>your mom and you see, maybe certain things I'm not

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:13.360
<v Speaker 2>saying Keith did any bad.

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:14.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't know.

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 2>Again, we don't know anything right from our own personal yes,

0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 2>But I just make up from my own personal experience

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 2>that why I gravitated towards my mom. I believe that

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:28.159
<v Speaker 2>again from what I saw.

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, my parents have been divorced seven times between them,

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.359
<v Speaker 3>so it started at a very young age, right, And

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.120
<v Speaker 3>like I was three and my sister was two and

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.719
<v Speaker 3>my mom my mom and dad divorced and there were

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 3>lots of horrible stepparents.

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 1>But that's for another episode.

0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:52.199
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, and there was a ton of bad mouthing

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 3>on both sides, and I, you know, for me, like

0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 3>mommy was just mommy. You know, she was my safe

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:05.320
<v Speaker 3>place at least when I was very young. And but

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:09.360
<v Speaker 3>I never ever like, you know, I wanted his love

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 3>so badly, and it was never like there was never

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 3>a choice. Really, I never felt like I had a choice,

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. I was always just kind

0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:22.520
<v Speaker 3>of juggling defending one or defending the other. Again, I

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 3>mean I was very young and then so but with

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:32.000
<v Speaker 3>my kids. I think we've talked about this before, but

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 3>I was separated for a year and a half and

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 3>now we got back together.

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>But you guys are good now. Yeah, it's like a miracle.

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Well we look at it her like I wonder if

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:44.440
<v Speaker 3>it would have ever if it would have ever been

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 3>this good, you know, I don't know, Yes, Well, but

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 3>the thing is when it happened, I've had so much

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 3>trauma in terms of like my parents and divorce and

0:25:55.960 --> 0:26:00.879
<v Speaker 3>step whatever, all of it. So we not never once

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 3>in that year and a half did anything to say

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 3>anything but wonderful things about the other. Like I was

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>more conscious of it because I've been through it. He

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 3>had a his parents were never divorced, and they were wonderful

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 3>to each other. But I remember once he was in

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 3>the car with my kids and Rachel, my daughter called

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 3>me on speaker and started complaining and Dad, whatever you know,

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:23.359
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember the exact whatever it was, and I

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 3>was like, honey, you dialed the wrong number. If you

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 3>want to complain about Jeff Fessler, you find someone else

0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 3>to call it. You have the best father, and so

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:34.199
<v Speaker 3>you're barking up the wrong tree.

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>And I think parent parent alienation and co parenting is

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the worst things you can do

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>for that child. And again, I'm so grateful that my

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>mom didn't do that. Again, I think kids are smart

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 2>enough to make up their own minds. But and it

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 2>sounds like, you know, Nicole isn't alienating them or saying things,

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's but I have known people that

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>speak so poorly about out their exes to their kids,

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>and I have some how it has affected and I

0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 2>believe that's that's a form of manipulation. And it's not

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.639
<v Speaker 2>like do I love my ex husband. No, do I

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 2>want to say certain things the kids like, I mean, sure,

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 2>but I would never do that because like, for example,

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I was just talking Jolie called me the other day

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 2>at his house because he redid her room, and I'm

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 2>just like.

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Daddy gave you the best room ever.

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.479
<v Speaker 2>And it's like I want her to feel safe, loved,

0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 2>adored by her father because he is a good dad,

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, and he he loves her and he's showing

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.879
<v Speaker 2>up for her, and so you know, I want you know,

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 2>do I get frustrated at times because I feel differently

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 2>in certain situations? Sure, but like that's not for them

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 2>to take on my feelings about my ex. Like all

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 2>they need to know and feel is loved, supported and safe, you.

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Know, and why God bless you, like good for you.

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 1>Clearly you have put the work in because I.

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Just know the effects and I've seen it from like

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the first time of like how I they will when

0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:10.719
<v Speaker 2>they're older, they can make up the assumptions they like,

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 2>And I don't want to manipulate how their relationship is

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 2>gonna look. That's not fair, like just because oh I

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>want to look like the better parent, Like no, like

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.400
<v Speaker 2>they'll know what happened in our marriage eventually, but like

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I want them to be like, yeah, but my dad

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 2>loves me and that's all that matters, Like it's between us.

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't then influence them?

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 3>And well yeah, right, most of my friends who are

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 3>going through or have been through divorce, they're not able

0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 3>to do that.

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 1>So kudos to you. I have a lot of.

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm grateful that my kids were young when we got divorced,

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know, it would have been a lot

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 2>harder because I had been like dad, you know what

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I probably would have gone off the rails.

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 2>If they were maybe a little older, maybe you wouldn't

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>have a lot.

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 3>But like I say that you wouldn't because you did

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 3>not you know. But like I I've had a lot

0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 3>of friends and a lot of people that they're in

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 3>the process that I know that I know now and

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 3>that just can't help it.

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yea, and they get they become so incurable their father

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>is not.

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Paying for Yeah, Like I would never tell my kids that.

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean again, they're not old enough to listen to

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 2>my podcast, but like, yes, I talk about my resentment

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>of having to pay child support, But never would I

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 2>ever say to them, well I have to pay your

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 2>daddy for years, because I'm like, then they're going to think, oh,

0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>negative of their father.

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.120
<v Speaker 3>And that's people don't even understand how much that takes

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 3>to hold back. I mean I think that I it's

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 3>so funny we have two different situations.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Like I grew up with parents.

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 3>It was a it was a shit show and they

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 3>both had horrible things to say, and it was every time,

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 3>and I felt like they were angry at me when

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I would go back, and you looks like you grew

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 3>up and your mother specifically was so wonderful.

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Well I knew what my dad did.

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Again, I she didn't have to tell me, you know

0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:56.959
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? I tell those things where it's like

0:29:57.120 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I again in these this situation, but between Sunday and Faith,

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>it's like they're old enough to know and have seen

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 2>and witness things to make up their own mind. And

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 2>like my mom didn't want to like alienate us anymore.

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>He his actions alienated us enough, you know.

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean my mother took adulthood to then men not

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and I took, you know, being in my late thirties

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>to go mid thirties to go Okay, what were you

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 2>going through at that time that made you did that?

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 2>And to have grace and compassion. But that took years,

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, So.

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I never I never had the courage

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:35.320
<v Speaker 1>to get mad.

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 3>And my dad about any of it, and he denies

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 3>a lot of it to this day.

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>But well, all that age because they didn't do therapy

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 2>they're not the ownership and our age is not right, not.

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Any Yeah, but I mean I was there, Like I

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 3>remember him calling his soon to be wife. But you

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 3>remember cousin Linda from the wedding cousin. We all got

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 3>a cousin Linda, all right.

0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>We all got a cousin Linda. So I was old

0:30:57.960 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>enough to remember that.

0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>But it was a situation where it was bad and

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 3>with anyway, the point is, I am very impressed with

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 3>the fact that you've been able to hold back in

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 3>that way when it comes to your kids.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I hope that.

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 3>And I was heartbroken when these two split up. I

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 3>always love Nicole and Keith.

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I know I was. Actually I was so sad, I know,

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>so cute, but you know what we never it was

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>behind closed doors.

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Isn't it weird that, Like I think back to like

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 3>her and Tom Cruise and how those two kids. It

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.680
<v Speaker 3>looks like, I mean whatever, just as a just as

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 3>a viewer or whatever, that they went the way of

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 3>Tom Cruise. Maybe because of scientology, I don't know, but

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 3>it looks like she kind of lost those two.

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I haven't thought it is. It is very interesting.

0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>It's very sad, But I would.

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Say and think about to help your kids with filling

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>your resentment to their you know, to them.

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:58.239
<v Speaker 3>Meant, look at Brad Pitt and Angelina and now all

0:31:58.280 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 3>those kids. I mean, I guess it's a very hard

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 3>thing to escape, you know. And kids are allowed to

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 3>have also their own feelings when they're old enough to

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.239
<v Speaker 3>have seen it like you were and understand the way

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 3>it all went down.

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, you know, there's there's that.

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 2>And I also have a lot of listen going through

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 2>a divorce, especially if some if you were wronged by

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 2>this person, which you're when you get divorced, someone's angry

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 2>at somebody, clearly because you're you're divorcing. But there is also,

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>again so much grace for the fact that you have

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 2>that anger and that resentment, and nobody will fault you

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 2>for the time that you've maybe said one or two

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 2>comments out of pure frustration, you know. And again that's

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 2>why I'm saying, I'm glad my kids were younger, because

0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I who knows, you know, I might have needed a

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 2>buddy then to be like, God, your dad is such

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>a lov you know what I mean, Like, because I

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted a friend and I sometimes you know, we think

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>of our kids as friends at times, and they're not

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:57.800
<v Speaker 2>in those situations, you know, and they shouldn't be your

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 2>ear and you're counter part in that because that's you're

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 2>talking about their father and that's not okay.

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>So hopefully Goldberg, what's going on?

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, Big Goldberg says after three divorces, her sex

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:13.080
<v Speaker 2>life now consists of hit and runs. I don't know why,

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>but the headline just makes me laugh and it's so funny.

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>And I'm also like, yeah, girl, like it's a hit

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 2>and run when she needs it. You know, she's she's

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.360
<v Speaker 2>seventy years old, you know what I mean. Like she's

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:31.640
<v Speaker 2>clearly you know, she says, uh sorry, she's didn't hesitate

0:33:31.680 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 2>to relate. She said, I bar hop, I go hang,

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 2>she said, prompting co host Joey to ask whether she

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 2>personally missed that chapter of a life. She goes, I'm single,

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Goldberg seventy replied, I do hit and runs when I

0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:43.800
<v Speaker 2>need it, but I'm not married to anybody and I

0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:48.240
<v Speaker 2>don't have responsibilities. And listen, I mean, good, Onya. I

0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 2>think it's hilarious and I think it's great. And when

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 2>you're seventy, I mean, she's like, I don't want to

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>live with anybody. She added, I have lots of people

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 2>that I love, but I don't need them living with me.

0:33:58.200 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to be sleeping with them.

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 2>And I I think it's at seventy.

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Whatever, I think, whatever I will give, she could fuck

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 3>whoever she wants to.

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it's all good as well.

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:14.160
<v Speaker 3>I think that for me, I don't think that I

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 3>would be looking for a hit and run at seventy.

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 3>If Jeff and I divorced, I'm single tomorrow. If I'm

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 3>getting with someone, it's probably more for companionship. I would

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.720
<v Speaker 3>want to have somebody, you know, where everybody's different.

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>She wants to be alone. I don't know if that

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>i'd ever.

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Get married again per se, but I think what I

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 3>would be looking for is more of companionship. Yeah, companionship

0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 3>a best friend. And who knows, maybe I would be

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 3>bar hoping and hitting and running all over the place.

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't but yeah, I'm not. I don't have that

0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 3>in me now for my husband, who I love. So

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that i'm you know, I mean, I whatever,

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:51.799
<v Speaker 3>you understand what I'm saying, like I'm not. I don't

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 3>get like, oh my god, I got to get it

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 3>going on tonight?

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 1>But would be good for hers? Right?

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and I'm at this point in twenty twenty six.

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 3>It makes you happy, it makes me happy, so good

0:35:02.040 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 3>for her?

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Have you heard of alpine divorce? So men are ditching

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<v Speaker 2>women during hikes and over twenty five million people are

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<v Speaker 2>deeply disturbed by what is being called an alpine divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>Something extremely unsettling has been circulating around the internet and

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<v Speaker 2>if you're addicted to scrolling you might have seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>People are calling it alpine divorce, so not an officially

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<v Speaker 2>coin term, it describes a situation where a man intentionally

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<v Speaker 2>abandons his female partner during a hike or outdoor trip

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<v Speaker 2>without a phone, water, or other resources. Conversations about alpine

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<v Speaker 2>divorce can be found all over social media, and one

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<v Speaker 2>woman's experience caught the attention of over twenty five million

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<v Speaker 2>on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I alpined. That's called being a douchebag

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<v Speaker 1>devil's advocate.

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<v Speaker 2>If there is a situation where maybe the person feels

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<v Speaker 2>unsafe and they want to be in public when they

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<v Speaker 2>speak out about, you know, being like, hey, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be married to anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Or this if they maybe feel like they're in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation where they don't feel safe. That is the only

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<v Speaker 2>way that I think that that would be.

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<v Speaker 3>I say this is they're describing this this term as

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<v Speaker 3>a situation where a man, yes intentionally a female partner

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<v Speaker 3>during a hike, maybe he feels unsafe. I'm giving him.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving him a little and a lot of grace.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Credit, my friend, just thinking maybe if he's in a

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<v Speaker 2>bad situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Stan with you on this one. I don't know, just

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<v Speaker 1>take a call, okay and say give it something.

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<v Speaker 3>John's something you John thrown at the top of a mountain,

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<v Speaker 3>see you later, good luck.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I'm just thinking from like I've got Dakota

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<v Speaker 2>and Taylor on my mind right now, so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm safe or something, and like he just wants like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're just not.

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<v Speaker 1>That I am. I think he's a douchebag. To have

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<v Speaker 1>a douchebag divorce, that's what we're going to call that.

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<v Speaker 1>A douchebag divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>Jessica Alba and Cash Warren's multi million dollar settlement revealed

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<v Speaker 2>so one month after the producer moved to finalize his

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<v Speaker 2>and the Fantastic four actress divorce proceedings. A judge officially

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<v Speaker 2>has signed all the documents. This this divorce made me

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<v Speaker 2>sad because.

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<v Speaker 1>They just also also a couple of divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I just yeah, it made me sad. They

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<v Speaker 2>they they And this is the part two where it's

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<v Speaker 2>the okay reading about the settlements. I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>because I had my settlement all in the page. It

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<v Speaker 2>just makes me, honestly feel a little uncomfortable, even being like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, he's got a pay or five thousand experience.

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<v Speaker 1>We know, yeah it's.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it also just makes me sad too because

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when I signed my divorce papers. To this day,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like doing our parenting plan. Seeing our kids' names

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<v Speaker 2>on the parenting plan. That was that gutted me more

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<v Speaker 2>than the price that I had to pay pay him.

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<v Speaker 2>Like even though yes I still have resentment over the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of child support and the payment, it's the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that I had to see there's sweet little names on

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of paper and having to divide like that

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<v Speaker 2>was the part that I'm like, this is so, this

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<v Speaker 2>is so sad, and this is so emotional and so

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<v Speaker 2>hurtful and so personal. And then yeah, now it's public

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<v Speaker 2>information and the people can see that, and it just

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<v Speaker 2>makes me I don't know things like this. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to see it. I don't want to know, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>let that be, let that be private.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I yes, number one, I agree, I think it is icky.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing I will tell you is that when

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<v Speaker 3>I read this specific the specifics of their settlement, it

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<v Speaker 3>sounded like it was they're getting shared custody. There are

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<v Speaker 3>looks like everything down the middle besides what was the

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<v Speaker 3>money that they made before the marriage and obviously after

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<v Speaker 3>And it sounded like he got they sold the house,

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<v Speaker 3>but he got the money for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounded like.

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<v Speaker 3>That it was I don't know for sure, but that

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<v Speaker 3>it was it had been awful, but still they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of split things right down the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>They're both the kids. When the kids are on it,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems very kids are right.

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<v Speaker 3>Like when the kids are with one parent, that parent

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<v Speaker 3>they trust each other enough that that parent make the

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<v Speaker 3>decisions on the healthcare unless it's an emergency that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they and I guess she had said something really positive here.

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<v Speaker 1>She said something I guess recently.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's so a colorful past year filled with connection, growth, adventure, laughter, piece, sisterhood, transformation, rebirth, joy,

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<v Speaker 3>and so much love. So that's unusual, right, and sending

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<v Speaker 3>hugs to everyone going through it. So I hope from

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:55.840
<v Speaker 3>what I read, and you obviously never know, but it

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like that they are working together, and they're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>work together when it comes to making decisions about these

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<v Speaker 3>kids and trust each other, which is not easy, right, No.

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<v Speaker 1>Not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Wolf addresses reunion with ex Kelly Wolf their kids

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<v Speaker 2>a mid divorce so as the former couple moves forward

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<v Speaker 2>in their divorce proceedings, The doc star addressed a photo

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<v Speaker 2>he shared with his X and their kids. While I

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<v Speaker 2>would never have wanted anything to have been made public,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I just it just felt like our family

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<v Speaker 2>deserved to have things not just sit in some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of awful dark place in terms of perception. While the

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<v Speaker 2>work we're all doing is really the only thing that matters,

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<v Speaker 2>it has been made public, he continued. While it's impossible

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<v Speaker 2>to go into any real detail about much of any

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<v Speaker 2>of it, I love all of these four people, and

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<v Speaker 2>all of those four people love each other, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what matters. In fact, Scott was so sure to emphasize that.

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<v Speaker 2>In the photo at the music park, he captioned it healing.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott and Kelly navigate their new normal since they had

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<v Speaker 2>broken up after twenty one years of marriage. Hugh Scott

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<v Speaker 2>of abuse and child endangerment amid the proceedings of fifty

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<v Speaker 2>year old slam the allegations, calling them entirely false and disturbing.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some significant challenges that are making our situation

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly difficult. It's tragic for all involved, he had said.

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<v Speaker 2>Although her claims are completely baseless and incredibly dangerous, the

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<v Speaker 2>worst part is that they are traumatic for our children.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope that anyone who might speak public or publicly

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<v Speaker 2>or report on such things will reconsider, will consider this

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<v Speaker 2>before spreading any further information from a clearly unreliable and

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<v Speaker 2>completely compromise source.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's again so sad when things get said

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<v Speaker 2>that aren't true, then they're made public. Then there's certain perception,

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<v Speaker 2>and people sometimes will only read just that headline and

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<v Speaker 2>then have that perception of that person for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of their Internet scrolling life. They'll be like, Oh, that

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<v Speaker 2>person did this, but then they don't know the context

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<v Speaker 2>that he didn't do that or this didn't happen, And

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he shared this beautiful photo just shows

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<v Speaker 2>his love for him his kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, is the implication that they're trying to work things

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<v Speaker 3>out or just they showed a nice photo. Again, you're right,

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<v Speaker 3>what you just said is absolutely correct. We don't know

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<v Speaker 3>the details, but what I did read about was her

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<v Speaker 3>going a little bit off the deep end and that

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<v Speaker 3>it got very, very contentious. So this is feels like

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<v Speaker 3>a very happy moment. The fact that they would even

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<v Speaker 3>be in a place where they could pose like this

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<v Speaker 3>with all of them together, because it did not sound good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think it's showing a lot of grace

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<v Speaker 2>on his side too, because if that isn't true, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he's read I still love you and I

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<v Speaker 2>know maybe you were going through something, and that just

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<v Speaker 2>shows his heart and agreed. And then again his love

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<v Speaker 2>for his children, which we've touched so much on about

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<v Speaker 2>keeping that relationship one separate from your own internal frustrations

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<v Speaker 2>with your partner.

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<v Speaker 1>So plus, he's so damn cute that Scott Wilf. I

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<v Speaker 1>just I just love him.

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<v Speaker 2>You're too young, you know, like, oh no, I love

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<v Speaker 2>he was great. I loved him.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I just loved him, and I felt badly

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<v Speaker 3>for him throughout this whole thing and for her, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know you do sometimes you don't have all of

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<v Speaker 3>the details.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought this was a beautiful agreed. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of headlines to get through.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope if you're going through divorces, this helped you

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<v Speaker 2>to realize you aren't alone and if you need someone,

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<v Speaker 2>I need some advice on how to navigate life in

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<v Speaker 2>chapter two, call or email us all the infos in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>I do Part two, an iHeartRadio podcast where falling in

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<v Speaker 2>love is the main objective. Jennifer, it was so great

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<v Speaker 2>to see you, catch up with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I adore you. I just I think you're amazing. A

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<v Speaker 1>great chat. I appreciate your friend the same. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're great. Tell your daughter, I said, Hi, I will