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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the UFO Show.

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Speaker 3: Dan, Thank you, Wow, whoa Wellye, that's that that spooky

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Speaker 1: I like, how are you? It's got a little grovel

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Speaker 1: I don't know about midway.

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Speaker 1: Through if you go back and listen. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how intently folks listen to our show, but about midway

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Speaker 1: in my voice just starts cutting out. I've I'm starting

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Speaker 1: to worry that maybe McConaughey took my voice. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: gone for good. Wow.

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Speaker 3: You know what, Maybe it'll come back in an interesting way.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it goes all the way down and you reboot

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Speaker 3: it from square one and you have like a cool accent.

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Speaker 1: It comes back Portuguese exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love that. I would love for that.

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Speaker 3: That's a real differentiator in the space. Tis It's the

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Speaker 3: UFO Show, is it not?

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Speaker 1: It is the UFO Show. And as you know, so

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Speaker 1: we had a big interview a week ago. We're continuing

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Speaker 1: with that trend that ultra megastar Friday trend in with

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Speaker 3: We are absolutely Welcoming back to the show Bruce Feldman

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Speaker 3: to talk about his new book, brand new book, Flip

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Speaker 3: the Script. Lessons learned on what on the Road to

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Speaker 3: a Championship? I always get it on the road there.

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Speaker 3: It is on the Road to a Championship about not

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Speaker 3: just the twenty nineteen LSU undefeated, wildly successful and explosive

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Speaker 3: offensive season, but also the specific path that ed Orgeron

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Speaker 3: this I did the interview myself spoiler right now, but

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Speaker 3: see what I come.

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Speaker 2: On on time?

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Speaker 3: You're true pro rubbing my back? How that characterizes it,

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Speaker 3: With Bruce. He gave me and us a ton of time,

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Speaker 3: and we also talked PAC twelve with the season out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're going to get to some news on

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Speaker 1: and it is exciting to now have the full boat

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Speaker 1: back in general, as he said, since you did the interview,

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Speaker 1: bye week here. Yeah, what was Bruce's general takeaway with

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Speaker 3: I think he has a lot of optimism, and I

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Speaker 3: So really cool to have Bruce Way in. And obviously,

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Speaker 3: For breaking news? Not that rich healthy boys.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the move if why settle, that's people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think that covers a lot of the news.

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Speaker 1: Wow, thank you Undefeated Feldman Orbit. We are excited to

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Speaker 1: hear from Bruce. It's always a pleasure to have him

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dad. It's good to hear your voice. You

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Speaker 2: was very apologetic, and he was like the old me,

433
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Speaker 2: you would have turned that into like a two day

434
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Speaker 2: story and I would have gone off on him and

435
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: know whatever. And he's like, you know, I knew, he

436
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: knew he made a mistake. It wasn't It wasn't like

437
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: a guy who got in front of a car, you know,

438
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 2: under the influence and had a horrific accident. You know,

439
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: like whatnot. It was like an error in judgment. It's like, okay,

440
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: this is like one of my sons. How would I

441
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: handle it. I was like, you know, you screwed up. Hey,

442
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: don't do that again. I love you. I love you still.

443
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: Just let's let's you know, make better decisions. And the

444
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: team ends up noticing how somebody gets treated, you know,

445
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: like it's treated in that where they already feel bad

446
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: enough and you know they don't want and then all

447
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 2: of a sudden you run a truck over them, you know, emotionally,

448
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: and then it just makes it worse. And so I

449
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 2: think that was a really interesting window where when he

450
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: told me the story, it didn't all that was sink

451
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: in all the way, and then it did the more

452
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: we talked about it.

453
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Speaker 3: So something that's obviously been talked about a ton and

454
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 3: credited to at ojeron a ton was his hiring of

455
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: Joe Brady before the twenty nineteen season. As he realized,

456
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: and I know you've written about this, that they wanted

457
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: to go to the spread, he just sort of told

458
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 3: Steve Ensminger, the existing offensive coordinator, we're going to the spread.

459
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: Make preparation stuff like that. He made that decision. But

460
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: Joe Brady specifically does not fit necessarily with the types

461
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: of coordinator hires that ed Orgeron made before, Like you've

462
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: mentioned at ole Miss. I think he hired himself as

463
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,479
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator at ole Miss. And even since you know,

464
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: instead of going with a sort of an up and

465
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Speaker 3: comer and paying them and somebody who has been identified

466
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: and recommended like Joe Brady was, even since hiring Bo

467
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: Polini for example this year. I don't know if that's

468
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 3: with his instinct or against his instinct, whatever, but Joe

469
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 3: Brady definitely stands out. Was any of that expected, any

470
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 3: of the all timiness of Joe Brady and that hire expected?

471
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Speaker 3: And did he have to be pulled into and convinced

472
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Speaker 3: of Joe Brady.

473
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Speaker 1: No?

474
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Speaker 2: And in fact, Joe Brady is in part why why

475
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: Flip the Script exists as a book now, Because as

476
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: I said, I would always get asked about are you

477
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: going to do this sequel or a sequel? And so

478
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 2: Ozeran had told me about Joe Brady. You know, I

479
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe a year before he hired him, or

480
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: at least you know, a long time before he hired him,

481
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: because he remembered and I didn't know who Joe Brady was.

482
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: I thought Joe Brady was older. I mean, I think

483
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: he was like forty five. I thought he was like

484
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: thirty seven. And then he explained more, and then I

485
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: was like, oh, he's a morehead guy. And I know

486
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: Joe moorehead and so, but then when he hired him

487
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: and he interviewed like he basically offered Brady the job,

488
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: and then like Brady didn't accept the job right away,

489
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: Like I guess, Joe Brady's the mine where I'm not

490
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 2: going to you know, I don't know if it's his

491
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: dad or somebody had said, hey, don't make a decision

492
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: instantly or whatever on anything. And so Joe eventually, you know,

493
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: tells me I definitely want the job. And I don't

494
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 2: know how long it was, but I remember I said,

495
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: how is it going. He goes, you got to see

496
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: this guy. He said, he just raved about what Joe

497
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 2: Brady was braining. He kept on saying he's got answers,

498
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: He's got answers for everything. And I said, all right, well,

499
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'd like to come down there. And I

500
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: thought I was going to do a story about it

501
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: for the Athletic. Well I eventually did do that. But

502
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: so I went down in April of twenty nineteen, and

503
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: I sat in a bunch of the meetings and I

504
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: had good access, and I went to spring practice and

505
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: then I met with Brady for a long time. And

506
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: it's crazy because you know, like that was the first

507
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: time I think Joe Brady had ever done an interview

508
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 2: like remember, like most of these coaches, with the exception

509
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: of like and Leach and Charlie Weiss, like at some

510
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 2: point they were a really good high school football player,

511
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: so you know maybe in their town they got you know,

512
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 2: they get some coverage or whatever. I mean. Joe Brady played,

513
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: you know, was a receiver in a really good area

514
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: football in Day County, and then he was a backup

515
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: receiver at William and Mary and then he was a

516
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: gat at Ohio I mean at Penn State, and then

517
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: he was basically a quality control guy at the Saint

518
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: So it's not like he's getting interviewed or anything. So

519
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: it's like he's under the radar. But Ed was so convinced,

520
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: like he loved, he loved what the Saints do, and

521
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: he just got such a good vibe on him that

522
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: he was like, this is going to be the perfect

523
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: compliment to what I think. Like he likes that Steve

524
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: Nsminger is willing to be aggressive and throw the ball downfield,

525
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: but in the RPO game, which Brady obviously had been

526
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: burst in from his time with morehead at Penn State,

527
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: but also a lot of the attacking stuff that the

528
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: Saints do, especially what he was going to bring for

529
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: the third down and in the red zone. He was like,

530
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: this is going to be gold now. At helped that

531
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 2: he had a lot of us played into how Joe

532
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 2: Burrow is wired anyway, Joe burrowuld rather, I don't want

533
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: you guys Max protecting is not protecting me. It's causing

534
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: me more problems. Right, I get everybody out and I

535
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: will and I will attack it, you know, and give

536
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: me options. I don't need this all getting muddled in

537
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: the middle of it, and I'm like relying on two

538
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 2: guys to try to make magic. And that stuff took off,

539
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 2: and so what's what was you know, fun for me

540
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: with the book was when you talk to Joe bradyer

541
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: when you I mean, I got some great stuff from

542
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and from other guys on the staff about

543
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: how this thing evolved and how quickly it evolved and

544
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: how it took off like wildfire. Was that to me

545
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: is like the inside stuff like if I'm a football

546
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: coach or if I'm an SEC fan, I want to

547
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: dig into. But he was convinced and so like, did

548
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: I think they were going to win a national title?

549
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: After I came back from from Baton Rouge on that

550
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: trip in the spring. I didn't think that, but I

551
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: thought they had a chance to be a real, you know,

552
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: playoff team, and to the point where like the athletic

553
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: does these state of the program stories and I'm writing

554
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: about how yeah, I know, you feel like you've heard

555
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: this before, whether it's Cam Cameron and less smiles, and

556
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: they're going to change, They're going to be something different.

557
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh here comes Brandon Harris. He's more talented than the

558
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks l she's had. Oh wait, Ojon just hired

559
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 2: Matt Canada. He was the hot coordinator at pitt and

560
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: it never worked out for LSU, and it just underwhelmed

561
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: and disappointed. But I know you heard that this guy

562
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: Joe Brady, who by the way, you never heard of.

563
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: Now he's going to be it's going to be way different,

564
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: especially because you know, with the exception of really the

565
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: UCF Fiesta Bowl game, it wasn't like Joe Burrow was

566
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: lighting up teams. He was playing well, but it wasn't

567
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: like nobody saw that coming. And so when I came back,

568
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, boy, I think I That's when

569
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: I started working on the book proposal for Philip the

570
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: script after that trip, because I was so convinced and

571
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: because Ojon had, you know, been so high on what

572
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: he had seen. He was like, nobody ever, this never

573
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 2: happens where the offense just torches the defense in spring football,

574
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 2: not here, and it was happening. And so that was

575
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: where the ground started to move.

576
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: What was the interplay of egos like between So you

577
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: have ed Orzron and Steve Ensminger, who have combined to coach,

578
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: you know, for one hundred years or whatever, and you

579
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 3: have Joe Brady, who's thirty has never been thrust in

580
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: a position like this. And obviously, in order to really

581
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: move an offense forward in order to generate big points

582
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: in big plays, whoever is calling the offense has to

583
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: feel empowered, has to feel like they are in control

584
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: and they don't have somebody looking over their shoulder constantly

585
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: saying this is how I think we should be doing things.

586
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: And obviously there had to have been a very successful

587
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: interplay during the season between ed Orzron and his expectations,

588
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 3: Steve Ensminger and what he had already done and what

589
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 3: he is in control of, and Joe Brady and what

590
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: he is bringing to the offense. It doesn't seem like

591
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: it's obvious that a situation like that would just click.

592
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: Why did it?

593
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: I think some of it clicked because Steve Ensberger knew

594
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: that right. You know, I was the tight end coach

595
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: for a while, been there, done that, and you know,

596
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 2: I want to be part of something really big, and

597
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: this guy is going to help make that happen. I

598
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: think when it came to Oseron's part about bringing this

599
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: other guy in, he knew this guy is the r

600
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: Sean McVay like he had a lot of respect for

601
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: Lane his mind as an offensive mine as a play caller,

602
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: and I think their personalities are way different than Joe

603
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: Brady and Lane. But I think he, you know, there

604
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: was something he was really sold on with. Again, you know,

605
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: in game adjustments, Joe Brady's going to attack it like

606
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: he had a great admiration. I was gonna say in respect,

607
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: but it's like a great admiration for how Joe Brady

608
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: thinks in the middle of things. So, you know, I

609
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: think if you would asked him and said, who's the

610
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: best recruiter on the staff, who's the best evaluator of talent?

611
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: He's not budgeting on that. If you had asked him, like,

612
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: who knows the most about the lie? You know, even

613
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: though he works with Bill Johnson, who was a mentor

614
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: to him, I think that would be more of a

615
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: more of a begrudging whatever. But if it came down to, like,

616
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, who is the like, do I know more

617
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: than than Joe Brady, even though he's almost half my age,

618
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: He's not fighting that battle. He's he's embracing it all

619
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: the way to the point where when Joe Burrow came

620
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: on his visit from you know, came from Ohio State,

621
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: and they had a bunch of their coaches in this

622
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: Saturday meeting where they're watching all these cutups of Joe

623
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's stuff in addition to some LSU stuff that

624
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: they thought catered to him. He said to Obern said

625
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: to me, he goes. It did not take very long

626
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: for me to realize who the smartest guy in the

627
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: room was and think about that, Like Oseron is you know,

628
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: very accomplished as a as a position coach, certainly, but

629
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: he's been in the NFL, he's been at USC. He's

630
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: like he's learned under Jimmy Johnson, he's learned under Pete Carroll,

631
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: he's n under Paul Pascal, and he like he's learned

632
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: under some of the best in football. You know, you

633
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: have Steve Envener, who's been you know, an SEC coordinator

634
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: at a bunch of places. You have a lot of

635
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: other guys who's been coordinators. And he's saying, you know what,

636
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: this other guy who really has never played college football

637
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: at any real length of time at this point because

638
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: he couldn't get on the field at Ohio State. So

639
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: this guy is the smartest guy in terms of football

640
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: in the room. That's quite an admission. But when you

641
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: see and again, I'm the biggest believer in Joe Burrow

642
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: as a as a player after what I've heard, what

643
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: I've seen, you know, for in meetings, at practice and walkthroughs,

644
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: and they got it. Like I don't know if I

645
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: don't know if os Wrong was the only one who

646
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: felt that way at that point, you know, because he's

647
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: a he's a defensive guy. Listening to somebody talk about

648
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: how assertive he is, what he's seeing, how he's processing,

649
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: you know, obviously, and Burrow is the son of a

650
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: longtime defensive coordinator in the MAC. But you know, again,

651
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: I think that speaks to like, Okay, I know what

652
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I want somebody who can bring

653
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: me that, and he found guys who could bring them in.

654
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: When did belief develop in you know, the coaches room,

655
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: in the locker room, whatever, from Okay, we have a

656
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: really fun offense. We're scoring points. This is unlike anything

657
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: we've ever done. When did that belief translate into I

658
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 3: don't know if anybody can stop us? Is it you

659
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: know that Texas game? Is it the weird Auburn game?

660
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: Is the Florida back and forth? Is it Alabama? When

661
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: is that belief of like we're unstoppable? Where does that start?

662
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: I actually think it happened in the spring when when

663
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: there was a and you know, in the book, there's

664
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: a really cool kind of passage where Burrow gets basically

665
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: in the two fights. One that starts where Jacoby Stevens

666
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: their safety jumps, you know, jumps up to try to

667
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 2: block a pass and they say comes down on Burrow

668
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: and that starts a fight. And then Burrow felt like

669
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: he wasn't in that enough, so he gets into a

670
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: fight with Patrick Queen like right after and it's a

671
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 2: full scale brawl. And then at that same practice Odron said,

672
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: like he just torched our defense and like completed like

673
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: eighty five percent of his passes that day, and I

674
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: came off the field going, We're going to be really,

675
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: really good. He told, you know, he told one of

676
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: his staff was that. I think then, because you know,

677
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 2: I heard that from multiple people in the program, not

678
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: just ozeron that and Joe certainly felt that way, and

679
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: one of the offensive assistants felt that way. And I

680
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: think they just realized, we know we have players on defense,

681
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: and we are just embarrassing them. And so like, I

682
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: knew that Jamaar Chase was a lot better than people realized,

683
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: because I you know, I'd been out at some practices

684
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: in that spring and I didn't know he was going

685
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: to win the bullet in the call, but I knew

686
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: he was like all American caliber. I knew Justin Jefferson

687
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: was a big time guy. I didn't see the Clyde

688
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 2: thing coming for a while. I can't say that, but

689
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of elements of that.

690
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 2: So then when they got to Houston, when they got

691
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: to Texas, I think it was like, hey, this is

692
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: what we do now, you know, it's we're not doing

693
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: four minute offense because we're up and it's third and seventeen.

694
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: We're putting our foot on the guess and this is

695
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: a different this is a different day for LSU, and

696
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: it built I mean for me personally, Like I thought

697
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: they were after they beat Alabama and I was like,

698
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: all right, I got a book. But I thought, ultimately

699
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: I figured, all right, they're way better than Georgia. I mean,

700
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: they kicked Georgia's butts the year before, you know, without

701
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: the same kind of team, and I just figured they

702
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: would do it again. I thought they would beat Oklahoma.

703
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: I'd seen them. Oklahoma is a bad matchup, and I

704
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: just remembered, you know, like before the playoffs started, I

705
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: was like, going to Clemson and Ohio State are just

706
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: so talented on both sides of the ball. And it's

707
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, it's justin field. I think at some point

708
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: the Cinderella story is going to not have a great ending.

709
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: Well after Oklahoma, I remember walking out of there because

710
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: I had now I've seen a couple of games up

711
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: close from the sideline and been with them, you know,

712
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 2: for practices and meetings, and so you know, after five

713
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: years at Fox have been a sideline requorter like, I've

714
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: seen a lot of teams right before games, you know,

715
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: good teams, Ohio State, Oklahoma. You know, I've seen kind

716
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: of the feel for it. I have never seen a

717
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: team as loose, focused and confident right before kickoff as

718
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: that LSU team is. I mean, I saw it against Georgia,

719
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: I saw it against Oklahoma, and it's the exact same

720
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: way they look at a Wednesday practice, and I was like,

721
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: no matter what I think Trevor Lawrence is terrific, I

722
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: think Travis ATM is terrific. Nobody's beaten this team, not

723
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: this year, not the way they're playing. And you know,

724
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: so I, you know, kind of changed my thought on

725
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: the fly after seeing it after a couple of times,

726
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: because I just I at that point, I was like,

727
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: all right, I get it. You know, Clempson may score

728
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of points, they're not outscoring Joe Joe Burrow,

729
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: and they're not outscoring Clyde and Jamar Chase. It's just

730
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: they're just on a different level at this point. And

731
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: that actually was kind of what happened. At one point

732
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: they're down seventeen to seven. Then also Jamar Chase was

733
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: likes that I'm going to take over. You can put

734
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: your best defensive back on, he can play me well,

735
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: and I'm still going to beat him. And it was

736
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: like that's what happened. And then all of a sudden,

737
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, as talented as he is, could not keep up.

738
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 2: And I just felt like their offense puts so much

739
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: pressure on teams that and these were really good quarterbacks.

740
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: I mean, Trevor is a great quarterback, right, and they

741
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: just they either get you in a hole or they

742
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: just you know, Ellinger played probably the best game of

743
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: the season against them, and they still lost at home.

744
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 3: You mentioned as playing as loose or feeling as loose

745
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: as they might in a Wednesday practice, and practice has

746
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: become sort of lore in college football, right You talk

747
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 3: about Pete Carroll's loose practices that ed Orgron was around,

748
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: and maybe Nick Saban's practices where players say practice is

749
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: harder than the games. You know, if you're able to

750
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: perform in practice, games are nothing. Games are easy. And

751
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: that is pretty apparent to anybody that watches a lot

752
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 3: of Alabama football. What are at Orgron practices like? Because

753
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: obviously something worked from those practices After the spring, when

754
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow looked that good. What were practices like last year?

755
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: Either from your own experience or from what you've.

756
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: Heard, you know, I think they're intense because he just

757
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 2: radiates intensity. You hear that barking voice and everything, and

758
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: so you know he wants to be precise in the

759
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: details as it is in physical play. I think he

760
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 2: had told me like he'd never seen teams practice any

761
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: harder or with more energy and intensity than what Jimmy

762
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: Johnson's teams had at USC, because those players were nasty

763
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: and it was like they were all about it, and

764
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: you just didn't see anybody, you know, practice like that.

765
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: USC had a lot of talent, I don't think it

766
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: was quite to the degree of the nastiness and the

767
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: edge that those Miami teams practiced with. Then when he

768
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: got this team at LSU. One thing that was interesting

769
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: he told, which I didn't realize when I was there

770
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: in the spring, but I noticed it later, was they

771
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, most teams when you go to the practice,

772
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: they usually have like, you know, music blaring, and he doesn't,

773
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 2: And he was like, music is fake energy. I want

774
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: our guys to have their own energy. If you don't,

775
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: if you don't clap if you don't bring the energy

776
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: you guys are running. And so that was a big

777
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: thing for him, and so there was I mean, you

778
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: know his iron sharpened iron deal well and you know

779
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: he would I remember he showed this in one of

780
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: like a morning film session that I was sitting in

781
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: the room for. It was like he must have rewound

782
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase against Derek Stingley Junior like a half dozen times,

783
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: and like there's like Burrow completes a pass and I

784
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: don't know how Stingley how uh, Stingley's right on top

785
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: of him. I don't know how Chase, you know, makes

786
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: to catch sliding down to the ground. And it was

787
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: just like this is what makes us so good. You know,

788
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 2: this is every day where these guys are being forced

789
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: to challenge themselves. And so that's what those practices were like.

790
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: And you know, being at the practice where you know

791
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: there there's a lot of Joe Burrow is challenging. Everybody's

792
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: challenging the defense in ways that those guys have never

793
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: been challenged, both verbally but also obviously you know on

794
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: the field, it's just different. And you know, like that's

795
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys with with with ego and

796
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: and you know, big personalities who are trying to measure

797
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: up there, and I think that really helped them.

798
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: To what degree does either at ourson or people around

799
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: the program do they acknowledge that there had to have

800
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 3: been some element of lightning in a bottle and sort

801
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: of the universe everything stars aligning between Joe Burrow back

802
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: up Ohio State quarterback working out to become an all

803
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: time accurate successful competitor, ed Orzron getting this job, which is,

804
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: you know, he's local, it's you know, a dream job

805
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: of sorts. I'm sure for him, the four receivers and

806
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: that quality. Dave Randa is sticking around and signing the

807
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 3: extension that he did to keep him at LSU and

808
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: having the LSU always has talent. But it felt like

809
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: there were elements, especially the unknown of Joe Brady, you know,

810
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: not really a big known commodity and coaching circles. Is

811
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 3: it acknowledged that, yes, the stars aligned, but also we

812
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: took advantage when we had that moment.

813
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 2: I think it is. I don't think, you know, even

814
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: with a pandemic, I'm not sure how much anybody sat back.

815
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 2: Now that's something you and I were sure would think.

816
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 2: You know, I think when they're in the moment, they

817
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: don't think, hey, Clyde was a three star that look,

818
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: Clyde's actually better than Leonard Fournette and Darius guys, you know,

819
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: and he's because this offense fits him so well. I

820
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: don't think anybody but he stopped and thought that way.

821
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody stopped and thought like you. Patrick

822
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,479
Speaker 2: Queen became a first round pick last year. Nobody saw

823
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 2: that coming. Like I remember being there when they were

824
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: recruited Patrick Queen and got him on signing day, and

825
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: he thought he was talented and could really run. But

826
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 2: like Patrick Queen wasn't the starter going into the year,

827
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 2: like we haven't. You know a scene in the book

828
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: where Patrick Queen's parents want to speak to Ojeron and

829
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: he's thinking, oh, he's probably wants to go in the

830
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: portal and basically, you know Patrick, you know, his family

831
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: says what does he need to do to get better?

832
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: And he was like, Okay, these are the things I

833
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 2: need to see from him. Well, Patrick Queen took that

834
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: to heart and did those things and then he was

835
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: you know, he was playing about as well as any

836
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: linebacker in the country by the end of the year,

837
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: like he was a big reason why they were able

838
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: to neutralize Travi Tate DNA in the National title game.

839
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: So I think it's all that in that environment where

840
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: that happened. But I don't think it's like ever been Like,

841
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: let me stop and think and think how improbable all

842
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: these things are, just because I think you know when

843
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: you're in it like they were. I just think if

844
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: you stop and analyze it, it's counterproductive.

845
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: Sure, totally final question, and then we'll get into Pac

846
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: twelve stuff because we have six games that each team

847
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 3: is going to be playing and we should talk about that.

848
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: Has LSU start this year. We're now in Week ten

849
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: and I don't know how many games LSU has played,

850
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: you know, schedules all over the place. But they've since

851
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: hired essentially two new coordinators are a passing game coordinator

852
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: and a new defensive coordinator, a new starting quarterback. They

853
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: have opt outs. The defense looks different. They obviously have

854
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: a crazy Week one and the defense looks very different.

855
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: The offense looks very different. Injuries to two key dudes.

856
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: Has LSU's twenty twenty characterized or made you reflect on

857
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen any differently than you thought you would.

858
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: Not really, you know, like, look, they basically you have

859
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: almost the entire starting twenty two moved on to the NFL,

860
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: and the ones that didn't you know, they had Jamar

861
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: Chase ops out, Tyler Sheldon ops out, Terry Vincent ops out,

862
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: a few other guys opt out, so it's like it's

863
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: almost an entirely new cast. As you said, there's coaches

864
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 2: who are not there. I mean, so basically the ones

865
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: who are the holdovers is Terrace Marshall was a really

866
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: good receiver, and Derek Stanley, who's a terrific cornerback, but

867
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: he did miss the opener like on you know, he

868
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: gets sick the night before the game, and then everything

869
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: else is new pretty much. So it's a big rebuild

870
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: that is happening in the middle of a pandemic. And

871
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: I did not expect this, Like I didn't think they

872
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: were going to be a playoff team, but I still

873
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: thought they'd probably had the talent to be a top

874
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: ten team. Like their defense has been a huge dud,

875
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: Like I really would have thought they would have been

876
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: a lot better than this even without like Tyler Sheldon

877
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: opting out. I still thought, Okay, they're really good in

878
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: the secondary. I know how talented some of those young

879
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: guys are. They get Jabril Cox from from North Dakota State.

880
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: He's a really good player. I know they're high on

881
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: them and Clark and some of these other players in

882
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: the front seven, and it just Bo Polini comes in

883
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: and it's been a really bad fit. You know, Ozeran

884
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 2: is more comfortable in the fore man front and because

885
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: that's was Jimmy Johnson system, that was certainly Pete Carroll's system,

886
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: and Bo Polini had learned under Pete Carroll. Well, like

887
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: a lot of the you know, it's been a lot

888
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: of miscommunication. The players seem like they've had a lot

889
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: of blown assignments. I don't know if they're just not

890
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: understanding the checks to the defense or what. But it's

891
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: been really bad. I mean, I don't think the offense

892
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: has been obviously when they played Auburn, you know, and

893
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 2: the true freshman, they're playing a true freshman quarterback for

894
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 2: the first time on the road. TJ. Finley. He looked

895
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: pretty good against South Carolina, and he looked obviously overwhelmed

896
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: against Auburn. I don't think it's by and large, it's

897
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: been really the offense has been like I'm not sure

898
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 2: what anybody expected given who was coming back, and especially

899
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: if you know you're going to have to play a

900
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: true freshman at some point. It's just been the defense.

901
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 2: It has been so so bad. I think it's like, hey,

902
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: tread Water, do the best you can in twenty twenty

903
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: for the rest of the season, and then look, we

904
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: have a lot of really good young players. Hopefully we

905
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: get this thing straightened out in twenty twenty one. And

906
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: this year. I mean, it's not the same, but there

907
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: are some parallels to his twenty seventeen season, where he

908
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 2: hired Matt Cannan on offense that was a bad fit.

909
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: It didn't work out. They had a horrible loss, a

910
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: blowout loss Mississippi State, They lost to Troy, they barely

911
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: beat Sarahcuse. I mean, they were really shaky. Now, what

912
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: was different was they had better personnel on defense and

913
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: they were more patched up on defense, so they could

914
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: kind of carry that at least be competitive and have

915
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: a chance to win some of the games against some

916
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: good teams. Right now, I don't think they have that,

917
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: I mean, and so this is like I said, this

918
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: is a rebuild. I mean, you know, it's like just

919
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: how do you how do you kind of you know,

920
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: kind of just spread water and plow forward. I mean,

921
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 2: from from my standpoint, it's just like putting out a book.

922
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: This book was supposed to come out around SEC Media Days,

923
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: but that was then the pandemic hit and the publisher

924
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: wasn't sure if we were going to have a season,

925
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: and then they pushed it back to late October, and

926
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: as much as we tried to get them to move

927
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: it back up, they didn't. And so, you know, it's

928
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: hard to put out a book when even if you

929
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 2: feel like you have a really really good book, people

930
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: are still going to see it as definitive, like on, hey,

931
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: it's this even though the book was ready and you know,

932
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 2: in late August, it's still it's a two and three team,

933
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: you know, and LSU fans are are kind of I

934
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 2: don't say over that they want just won a national title,

935
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: but now they're dealing with the right now as opposed

936
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: to still feeling the high of that. Especially like I said,

937
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: it's in a pandemic. It's already a crazy enough you're

938
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: on top of.

939
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: That, I can tell you this. If you're listening to

940
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: this show, if you're listening to three solid verbals a week,

941
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: you're going to be interested in a behind the scenes

942
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: look at a championship team with championship coaches and championship

943
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: players and what culture is like, and what practice is

944
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: like and what game is like. So even if you're

945
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: an LSU fan who has moved on to being upset

946
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 3: about this season, maybe pick up Flip the Script to

947
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: remember the good times and stay warm as we head

948
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 3: into winter. Because I love me markt, I love the QB.

949
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: Flip the Script Lessons learned on the Road to a

950
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 3: Championship by it. I don't know Amazon, local bookstores, wherever

951
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: you can find it. I'm positive it's great. So Bruce, thank,

952
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: I want to talk about you for that, of course,

953
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the PAC twelve, just because

954
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: you're on the West Coast. I will not take nearly

955
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: the time that we took talking about the book because

956
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's just a ton to unpack with Flip

957
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 3: the Script. But here's my first professional segue. There's a

958
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 3: team in the PAC twelve that won their conference. They

959
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 3: lost a top ten pick at quarterback. They made a

960
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: splashy coordinator Higher. We don't know if it's going to

961
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 3: work out better than bo Polini has worked out thus far.

962
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: But the big question now is did they lose too

963
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 3: many dudes to both the draft and to opting out.

964
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: That is the orgon Ducks. Do you anticipate we are

965
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: going to be saying they just lost too many dudes

966
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: and the coordinator Higher may not have fully worked out.

967
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: I like the coordinator Higher. I think he is a really,

968
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: really smart guy, and he sits in with a staff.

969
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 2: I think he will do well. You lose an entire

970
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: offensive line right now, that is challenge. You lose a

971
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: big chunk of the secondary, and you lose the best

972
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: player I think on the defense in Javon Holland. We

973
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: did a couple of their games last year and he

974
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: was yeah, he was, yeah, I'm sorry. I thought that

975
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: without saying I still think I have them to come

976
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: out of the North. But again, like you said, I

977
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 2: mean new quarterback. I think the receiving core is going

978
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: to be better because it felt like it was always

979
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: a little underwhelming in the last couple of years. And

980
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: good running back. You know, Mario Cristobal is an O

981
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: line guy. And he's a good recruiter. I think they'll

982
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: be pretty good still on the O line, but I

983
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 2: just think the margin for error. You know, Tyler Schuck

984
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: will see what he does. I've heard really good things

985
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: about him in the last year plus. So I see

986
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: when you look at what else is in the division,

987
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: which you have Washington, new head coach, new offensive coordinator,

988
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: and new quarterback, and I don't you know, well, I

989
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: think they're really good in the secondary, but I think

990
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: they have even more questions whereas and they don't have C. J.

991
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: Verdell to a lean on Cal the new offensive coordinator.

992
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: I think Cal's actually going to surprise a lot of people.

993
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 2: But to me, I think Oregon is a top fifteen team.

994
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to say much more than that, just

995
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: because of what you said. They lost a lot of

996
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 2: really good dudes.

997
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 3: I assume in the South you feel pretty good about

998
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: USC and their big offseason splashy coordinator. Higher was less

999
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: splashy because Todd Orlando was going to be I think

1000
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 3: the defensive line coach for Texas Tech before USC made

1001
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 3: him their coordinator. USC does not have a tough schedule.

1002
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: I think though they should be favored in all of

1003
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 3: their games. Their toughest game looks like it's at Utah.

1004
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: If Todd Orlando is considered to be a good hire

1005
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: for the Trojans, where will it show on the defense

1006
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: this year that it just wasn't there for Clancy Pendergast

1007
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: and the Trojans last year.

1008
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 2: Well, I think if they can keep Talano Hufanga healthy,

1009
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 2: he's terrific. He's just you know, he's had a lot

1010
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,959
Speaker 2: of wear and tear and you know, schuber injuries, played

1011
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: through it, that kind of thing. But he's terrific. They

1012
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 2: got to get better on the corners. That's where they

1013
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: have not been like an elite program. I think if

1014
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: they can get some of their linebackers who when you

1015
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: look at them, you're like, man, these guys should be

1016
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: really good and then they miss a lot of tackles

1017
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: and they're aut a position and that part has been

1018
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 2: a disappointment. They they're good up front. I like Todder Orlando.

1019
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 2: I think he is He's very aggressive. I think he's

1020
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 2: not easy to play against. From talking to the coaches

1021
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: who played against so, I think one of the challenges

1022
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: that they had a Texas was sometimes they were doing

1023
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: so much that some of those guys maybe got out

1024
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: of position. And you know, when I've talked to people

1025
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: now who talk about Texas, They're like, well, the difference

1026
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: is maybe these guys you're at Texas in the Big twelve,

1027
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: you probably have better athletes. Maybe not way better, but

1028
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 2: better athletes. You don't need to do a lot of

1029
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. So I think, like I like a lot

1030
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: of the Hires. Clay Helton made a lot of the

1031
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: moves he's made this offseason. I think they're a class

1032
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: of the of the division. By far. I really am

1033
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 2: a big believer in Slovas. I think he's really talented.

1034
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 2: I love his temperament. The receivers are fantastic as a group.

1035
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: You know, you got on mo On Ra, you have

1036
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 2: Tyler Bonds. Those guys are headliners. They are really excited

1037
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: about Drake London, who's a big receiver almost tight end size.

1038
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: They have a stable of running backs, the offensive line

1039
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: now that they got Elijah vera tucker back after he

1040
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: opted out top back in and they have some you know,

1041
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: like as you said, the schedule, I mean, they get

1042
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: by Arizona State this weekend. I don't think Utah is

1043
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: going to be as good as they've been the last

1044
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 2: few years. They have so many guys for a place.

1045
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: Unless they stumble somewhere, I think they're gonna. I think

1046
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: they're going and they get Wazoo out of the you know,

1047
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: out of the North, who's in rebolt rebuild mode. I

1048
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: think they're well positioned to run through this regular season undefeated.

1049
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: I really do.

1050
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 3: Let's sort of stay in the city because UCLA and Arizona,

1051
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 3: I should add, both have head coaches who had sterling

1052
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 3: offensive reputations at previous college stops. Who is between those

1053
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 3: two guys, Kevin someone and Schip Kelly, who is closer

1054
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: to even approaching that level of at least just offensive

1055
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: success with their current teams.

1056
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 2: I think. I think UCLA is because they have dtr

1057
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: who's now got three years. This is a third year

1058
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: in the system. He's really talented. We've seen flashes from him.

1059
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: Dimitri Felton's a really good fit for what Ship Kelly

1060
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: likes to do. He's a scat back is the right

1061
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: way to call him. But like a he's very shifty.

1062
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: He's he is a matchup nightmare to deal with coming

1063
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. They have a pretty good group

1064
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: of receivers. I don't know what they're going to be

1065
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: like on defense, you know, in terms of I don't

1066
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 2: know how much confidence you have in that group, because

1067
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 2: they've been really, really bad since he's been there, batnestly

1068
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: bad even before that. Whereas with Arizona, I know that

1069
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: staff likes Grant Ganel, they are really excited about him.

1070
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 2: I just don't know. Maybe it's another year from now

1071
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 2: before that that offense is clicking. Whereas I think I

1072
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: think Dorrian Thompson Robinson has breakout star potential there. I mean,

1073
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: he has a terrific arm, he runs well, he's in

1074
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: a system that I think like he knows now, and

1075
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 2: he's got pretty good skill around him, you know. I

1076
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: mean between between Felton, you've got Kyle Phillips, who's a

1077
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: really good slot receiver. You've got some big targets. I

1078
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: don't think right now, and look, there's no reason for

1079
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: people to be Chip Kelly's Oregon day is notwithstanding. I

1080
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: don't think there's any reason for people to look at

1081
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 2: what UCLA has done in the first two years and say, oh,

1082
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 2: this is a team that has a chance to be

1083
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: anything close to a top twenty five team. Because there's

1084
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: nothing that's really shown that at this point other than

1085
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: if you watch DTR a bit. You know, like, all right,

1086
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: you know there's there's a chance there. And given the

1087
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: two things of what you said, you know, one of

1088
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: the two, I'm more inclined to look at UCLA at

1089
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: the stage of development that program is in compared to

1090
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: what I think Arizona is, where they've got a bunch

1091
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: of opt outs and kids transfer. Not that Uclia haven't,

1092
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: but you know, like I feel like they've had like

1093
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: core nucleus guys leave because they didn't think they were

1094
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: going to have a season, And now like West Virginia

1095
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: is like the most productive linebacker in the Big twelve,

1096
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: who should be at Arizona instead of there, And you

1097
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: know the schoolers are in the Big twelve. There's both there.

1098
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: So I just think that, you know, to me, I

1099
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 2: see UCLA having a better upside right now.

1100
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: There are a number of teams who, you know, through

1101
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 3: different results in twenty nineteen, they've got a lot of

1102
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 3: room to grow based on the twenty nineteen obviously Ucla

1103
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 3: and Arizona two of them. So Oregon State looks way

1104
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 3: more improved and way more competitive. Last year, Cal, when

1105
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: Chase Garber's is healthy, certainly fits that as well. Washington

1106
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: State took a pretty big step back on defense after

1107
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: Alex Grinch left a couple of years ago. Washington took

1108
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: a pretty big step back on offense with Jacob Easton

1109
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: last year, and they'll have a new quarterback, like you mentioned.

1110
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: Of all the teams I suppose in the Pac twelve

1111
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 3: that have obvious room to grow, who gives you the

1112
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 3: most confidence that they're going to approach the their sort

1113
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: of growth ceiling based on what you've seen and what

1114
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: they look like right now.

1115
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: I really think Cal is an easy choice for me

1116
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 2: on that you mentioned Joe Garver's when he was healthy,

1117
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 2: they were good. When he wasn't healthy, they were not good.

1118
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 2: And the bowl game and we are crew at Box

1119
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: did the bowl game. All the guys who scored touchdowns

1120
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: for them were freshman and sophomores. They're all back in

1121
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: the second aary. It really helped them that they got

1122
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: cam Binham, who I think is arguably the best defensive

1123
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: back on the West Coast, or at least the best cornerback.

1124
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 2: I think Talano might be even better, but he's a

1125
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: leader and he's a really good corner and I think

1126
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: that they have some really good pieces there, guys of

1127
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: experience at all at all three levels of the defense.

1128
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: I really think Justin Wilcox is a very underrated coach.

1129
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: I think they have a chance to be a real

1130
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: top twenty five team. Christopher Brown is a big, physical

1131
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: running back. They have some good young receivers. As I said,

1132
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: Garber's is very underrated. I like them a lot, I

1133
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: really do. I mean, it wouldn't shock me if they

1134
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 2: ended up winning the Pac twelve to be honest.

1135
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: Wow, the other team I think that I think people

1136
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: are looking at in terms of showed flashes last year

1137
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: at times, especially with the quarterback. But it wasn't always

1138
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 3: there for sure, wasn't always there. It was ASU. ASU

1139
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 3: beats Oregon. They sort of have an up and down season.

1140
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 3: They look absolutely dreadful against Utah. But they have a

1141
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: high round talent in Brandon Ayuk leave for the NFL,

1142
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: so they're developing guys. They have interesting young talent they've

1143
00:59:54,400 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 3: been recruiting. Interestingly, are you as high on ASU as

1144
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: it seems many are who look at the depth I

1145
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: guess atop the conference, I'm pretty high on them.

1146
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: Not maybe as high, but I really like Jayden Daniels.

1147
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: And remember he played last year one of the guys

1148
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 2: in their steps ond me. He was like one hundred

1149
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: and sixty five pounds. Now he's a hundred eighty five.

1150
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 2: I think you will only get better now. Look, you're right,

1151
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: they lost a terrific receiver and they lost a really

1152
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: good running back in Eno Benjamin, and I'm curious how

1153
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: they replace Eno on that. On that front, I mean,

1154
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: right now, I would pick them second in the South.

1155
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see how Marvin Lewis is the

1156
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator now and how that defense looks. But they're

1157
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 2: an interesting team, and I have to admit I did

1158
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: not think Herr would have done this good of a

1159
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: job as a head coach there. And he has done

1160
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: a really good job. I mean, her Edwards MATC. Brown

1161
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: to me are and like her hasn't you know, He's

1162
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: had some nice wins. His record hasn't been much different

1163
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: than Todd Grahams was. But I didn't think it would

1164
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: go this well. And I didn't, you know, like you

1165
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: didn't ask me this, But I didn't think Mack would

1166
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 2: do as well as he has done so far. At

1167
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: do you enter mean, he obviously has a terrific quarterback

1168
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: to build around, but I think those were ones that

1169
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: have been pleasant surprises. And I say pleasant surprises not

1170
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: just because you know, I think there are two personality

1171
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: types where Herm is an interesting guy, and I think

1172
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: he makes the PAC twelve little more interesting. And so

1173
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: let's see what they do in year three, because it's

1174
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people now as you, as

1175
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: you alluded to, are in that like, hey, we have

1176
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: some expectations. Now let's see what happens.

1177
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 3: Final question, just because you reference being on the sidelines

1178
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 3: for seeing major programs, major schools and big games. Who

1179
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 3: in the PAC twelve when you are on the sideline

1180
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: or when you are at practice? And I know it's

1181
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: obviously been a different year this year, but when you

1182
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 3: look at the programs in the PAC twelve, who can

1183
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: either compete nationally or look like they have a ceiling

1184
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: of compete nationally, how far away is the conference as

1185
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 3: a whole from I don't know, the best five teams

1186
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: in the conference stacking up against the best five in

1187
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 3: the Big twelve or the ACC or the SEC or

1188
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 3: the Big ten. Is there a chasm? As some people

1189
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 3: like to say or is it closer than you believe

1190
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: that the Warriors seem to think.

1191
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 2: I think Oregon is that team often. I mean they

1192
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: there's a You remember William blayhosts short offensive lineman at Alabama.

1193
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: He's a coach, and so I saw him. We did it.

1194
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: I think it was a Friday night game Colorado against Oregon.

1195
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: It was at Autin and Blahost is on the CU staff,

1196
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: and you know, he was there with mel Tucker and he's,

1197
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 2: you know, like he's he's got good perspective and everything.

1198
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: And obviously new Mamorial Crystal and I remember I had

1199
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: talked to him on the pregame and he eyeballed Oregon.

1200
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: He was like, that looks like an SEC team, and

1201
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 2: he's right, they do. And obviously, you know when you

1202
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: had today Sewel and a bunch of you know, more

1203
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: experienced th alignement like they did, that added to it.

1204
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: But now you're gonna have these these huge linebacker dudes

1205
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: that have that have come into the program. Sewel's brother,

1206
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: you know, may Scooner was there last year as a freshman.

1207
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: And you certainly had Justin Flow, who looks like a

1208
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: looks like a comic book hero kind of thing that

1209
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: definitely does that. USC I think needs to continue to,

1210
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: you know, ramp up recruiting. But they have, you know,

1211
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: like I said, there, they have a receiver corps that

1212
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: matches up pretty well with anybody. They have a bunch

1213
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: of guys like who do you know they have. The

1214
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 2: thing with USC is a little bit of a misread

1215
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: is like I remember going out there last year in

1216
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: the spring and seeing their linebacker group and it's not

1217
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: just not ok Ota, who was obviously a huge recruit,

1218
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: but there was a couple other guys who were, like,

1219
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: I mean, a couple of those guys look like American

1220
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 2: gladiator guys. Now they don't. They didn't play like you know,

1221
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: one or two of them were injured and so you know,

1222
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,959
Speaker 2: sometimes with USC it's like, you know, you know about

1223
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: them and recruiting and then either they're hurt or something.

1224
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: It's just there's something just isn't quite there. I think

1225
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 2: what's different with USC is they had for so long

1226
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 2: they had some special running back there. Now it doesn't

1227
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: have to be Reggie Bush or even Linda White, but

1228
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: right now you don't see and Marquis Steph is talent

1229
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: and they have guys who Stephen Carr have talent, but

1230
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: it's not like the one who's there who's like the

1231
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: wow factor, right, And so to me, those are the

1232
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 2: programs at this point that that you could say, oh

1233
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 2: if they if this breaks right or whatever. Like I

1234
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: think given all the stuff we talked about with the

1235
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 2: change with Oregon, new quarterback, new O line, no more,

1236
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: no more Javon Holland, I think that separates them from probably,

1237
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they're a year away from being that team,

1238
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 2: you know. I don't, I don't know, but I think

1239
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: the way Mario has recruited there, it's an SEC it's

1240
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: an SEC vibe all the way around with Oregon, and

1241
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: I think there's some of that happening at USC at

1242
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: this point too, all.

1243
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 3: Right, Bruce Feldman, SEC vibe all the way around ties

1244
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 3: it really nicely back together to flip the script. Do

1245
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 3: check it out about ed Orzron, about LSU, about George Costanza.

1246
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 3: I guess, in a roundabout way, look it up, pick

1247
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 3: it up, digest it.

1248
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: You will like it.

1249
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 3: I promise you. Bruce, thank you so so much for

1250
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:34,479
Speaker 3: coming on the solid verbal.

1251
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, Dan, Thank you for having me.

1252
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: All right, Danny, That is Bruce Felman. Anny, Bruce Feldman, Yeah,

1253
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: Fox Sports, the athletic author of the new book. Really

1254
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: interesting stuff from Bruce. If I don't say so myself,

1255
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: it always is. But you know, the books that he's

1256
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: written in the past have been groundbreaking in a college

1257
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: book since Meat Market right me, Market is one of

1258
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: the best books I've ever read period. It just so

1259
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: happens to be about college football, and so it's always

1260
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: a pleasure when he dropped something new, and I'm really

1261
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:12,919
Speaker 1: excited to get a chance to read it. Haven't yet,

1262
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: but will soon.

1263
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1264
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: No, my copy is arriving shortly. I am my favorite

1265
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: thing that Bruce talked about in that interview, and this

1266
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 3: is the stuff that when you read pieces throughout the season,

1267
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: it's hard for guys to really extrapolate what's going on

1268
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 3: behind the scenes because everybody's interested in games. Everybody's interested in, Oh, man,

1269
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 3: why did LSU score so many points? Blah blah blah.

1270
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 3: So when you have the time to write out books

1271
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,439
Speaker 3: and look at your notes and listen to your tapes

1272
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 3: or whatever. When Bruce is talking about LSU's spring practice

1273
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 3: last year with Joe Burrow actively starting fights, with Joe

1274
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 3: Burrow saying I don't want Max protect. We need to

1275
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 3: get receivers on the field. I'll figure it out, with

1276
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow absolutely torching a very very good LSU first

1277
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 3: defense in spring practice, and them, you know, having a

1278
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 3: sense like, oh, we might have like a team of killers,

1279
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 3: and them having the sense behind the scenes that maybe

1280
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 3: they're not a national championship team, but all of a sudden,

1281
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 3: this is a serious playoff contender. And knowing that from

1282
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 3: early on that something was just different with the makeup

1283
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 3: of that program last year. It's fascinating stuff to know

1284
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 3: that sort of lead the lead time to the season.

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01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 3: You're like, well, we're gonna f up some teams.

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Speaker 2: Tie.

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Speaker 3: I like that. Those are the type of anecdotes I love. Yeah, anecdotes.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll post. We'll make sure that we post the

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Speaker 1: link so that you can check out Bruce's book, and

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01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: you know any and all. Bruce Velman works over at

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: the Athletic as well. We're huge fans. He was one

1292
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: of our earliest guests on the show way back when.

1293
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: Has always been so gracious with this time, and he's

1294
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: a good friend of the show, so it's great to

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01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: catch up with him once more.

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Speaker 3: Give me some elements of the PAC twelve season. I

1297
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 3: don't necessarily need specific matchups, but when you think about

1298
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: where the PAC twelve was last year, team by team,

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 3: new faces, face is gone, faces returning whatever, I just

1300
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 3: want some like straight out of the Arrows, out of

1301
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 3: the quiver, gun, out of the hole Star Tie takes

1302
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 3: on what will make him turn it from an intriguing

1303
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 3: SEC game, an intriguing Big ten game to an intriguing

1304
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 3: PAC twelve game. What are you hoping to see from

1305
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 3: teams that will make you turn the dial?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know the USC. The USC stuff is probably

1307
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: the low hanging fruit here. But okay, the intrigue around

1308
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: Clay Hilton and what his life span will be at

1309
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: USC is always interesting to me, if not cliche. By

1310
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: the way, for the Trojans it is it is. Yeah,

1311
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: So I qualify that by saying interesting, if not cliche.

1312
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: And well, Keaton Slovas had an incredible year last year.

1313
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: It really burst onto the scene in an impressive way.

1314
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: And given the schedule, given the fact there is always

1315
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: good skill position talent at USC, if they could just

1316
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: get all cylinders firing at the same time, I would

1317
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: love to see what that team could do. They have

1318
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: not done that. Inconsistency has been a real problem for

1319
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: the Trojans over the last I don't know better part

1320
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: of the last decade, let's say, I would really like

1321
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: to see what they could do if they finally got

1322
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 1: everything on the same page. So that first and foremost

1323
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: probably the low hanging fruit. The PAC twelve North as

1324
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 1: a whole really intrigues me because I kind of don't

1325
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: know what to expect out of Washington and Washington State

1326
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: and even Stanford to some extent. You know, I think

1327
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: we feel a degree of confidence with Oregon. They've had

1328
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,560
Speaker 1: a bunch of opt outs and there's I know, a

1329
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: bunch of turnover there. But even beyond all that, the

1330
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: North really did for a long time feel like the

1331
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: stronger side of the conference, or at least the one

1332
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: with the fewest variables. And now with new coaches and

1333
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: with I think the step back we've seen from Stanford recently,

1334
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: I kind of don't know where it stands. Cow may

1335
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: have a clearer path to get up closer to the

1336
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: top of that side of the conference than we've seen before.

1337
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: They might not even play this weekend, but you know,

1338
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: there's a lot of intrigue for me in the North

1339
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: and in the South. I would say just the you know,

1340
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: Utah maybe is not the most exciting program in the world.

1341
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: But they did bring Jake Bentley over from South Carolina,

1342
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm curious to see how that plays out,

1343
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: if it looks any different with him.

1344
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 3: A lot of new full time faces.

1345
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's just a lot of like

1346
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: new things across the conference that I don't know from

1347
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: a thirty thousand foot view, catch my eye and keep

1348
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: me interested.

1349
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all that's right. News came out that

1350
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 3: Jaden de Laura, I want to make sure I pronounced

1351
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 3: that correctly, true freshman starting for Washington State Saint Louis

1352
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 3: High the powerhouse High school in Honolulu, is starting for

1353
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: Washington State. I think he was either committed to Hawaii

1354
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 3: when Nick Rolovich was there or interested or something like that.

1355
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 3: And I think that connection really paid dividends. If indeed

1356
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 3: Jaden de Laura, who I think played really well, not huge,

1357
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 3: but played really well in high school. Same area of

1358
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, Tua and Marcus Mariota went to Saint Louis,

1359
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 3: I believe, and Dylan Gabriel, all those guys, so really

1360
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 3: rich history there on the islands. Yeah, there's so much

1361
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 3: unknown right now. I just I'd like to see Oregon

1362
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 3: State take a next step. I'd like to see ASU

1363
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 3: take a next step. I'd like to see Stanford correct

1364
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 3: whatever the hell went wrong. I know they have some

1365
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 3: promising guys on offense. The defense was rough at times

1366
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: last year. I just I want to see teams figure

1367
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 3: it out because I want to go into the season

1368
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: thinking there are great games across the conference, even if

1369
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter with the playoff or anything like that.

1370
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: But I just I want to care about ASU USC

1371
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,839
Speaker 3: more than I probably do right now, even though I'm intrigued.

1372
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,560
Speaker 3: I want to care about Oregon Washington. I want to

1373
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: know who's starting at quarterback for Washington. I want to,

1374
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 3: you know, I want to care about the Territorial Cup,

1375
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 3: the U of A and ASU, stuff like that. I

1376
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 3: want Chip Kelly and UCLA to be ooh, they just

1377
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 3: got scary. They are finally realizing the quote unquote Chip

1378
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 3: Kelly off whatever. I just I'm selfish and I want

1379
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 3: all of those things. So that, to me is my

1380
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 3: sort of higher picture view, taller view of the conference,

1381
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 3: and I missed Oregon football and it's very strange to say,

1382
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 3: in a very strange season, but you watch other schools play,

1383
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 3: like where's.

1384
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: Where are the Ducks?

1385
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 3: Where's that team? So excited to see a lot of

1386
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 3: those freshmen and the new Joe moorehead offense for organisms

1387
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 3: that goes without.

1388
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: Saying yeah, I mean. And you do another show on

1389
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: our trusty network here called Big Boy Bets with our

1390
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: friend Jeff Schwartz, another fellow Oregon alum. What is the

1391
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't know mood given the fact that Oregon now

1392
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 1: is coming back like it is such a weird year,

1393
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this many times now, there's just

1394
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: sort of like, I don't know, glass ceiling almost how

1395
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: excited you could get about a really oddly misshapen year

1396
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: due to the pandemic. How would you grade out your

1397
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 1: level of excitement for this iteration of the Oregon season

1398
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: versus normal circumstances.

1399
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 3: I think people Oregon fans just want to watch the Ducks.

1400
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a matter of like, oh man,

1401
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 3: can they get back to the Rose Bowl? Can they repeat?

1402
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 3: And they just want to watch new players, new coaches.

1403
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of frustration that Justin Herbert

1404
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 3: was kind of wasted with the old Oregon offense, and

1405
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 3: Joe Morehead will we'll give Orgon something more creative and new.

1406
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 3: So I think there's excitement about just watching the progression,

1407
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 3: the hopeful progression of what Oregon football can look like,

1408
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 3: especially with I mean this is I mean opt outs.

1409
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 3: Notwithstanding with the reigning Outland Trophy winner in Pine Sewel

1410
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: and Javon Holland considered be a top flight draft prospect,

1411
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 3: the recruiting level, the talent level at Oregon has never

1412
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 3: been higher, So I think people are really excited to

1413
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 3: see how the gaps are filled in and the new faces,

1414
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 3: especially on defense for sure. So it's a I think

1415
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 3: two or three five star guys are going to be

1416
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 3: in the rotation in that too, deep on defense as

1417
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 3: true freshman So I think it's just a lot of

1418
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 3: excitement about unleashing so much talent, even behind Caveon Thibodeaux,

1419
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 3: who looks to be one of the best edge rushers

1420
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 3: in the country.

1421
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: Really good. Yeah, now I'm excited to see it too. It's,

1422
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: as we've discussed here, this gradual build into a full season.

1423
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1424
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: Whatever, A full season is in this sense, it's talked

1425
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: about it on Wednesday. You know, it's exciting that it's here.

1426
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: It's probably long overdue at this point for the PAC

1427
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 1: twelve being so everybody else started, and we just hope

1428
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: that situations a cal and elsewhere can get cleared up

1429
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: and that we can get as much football out of

1430
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: out of this, uh, you know, twenty twenty seasons possible.

1431
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 3: Can I tie this all together to our guest Bruce

1432
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 3: Feldman in the UFO Show. Excuse me, the unbeatable Feldman Orbit. Yes,

1433
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 3: the unbeatable Feldman Orbit. I'm going to focus on the

1434
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 3: name Bruce, because sometimes you come across people and people's lives,

1435
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 3: and this is all from Wikipedia. This is I did

1436
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,480
Speaker 3: not do further research than a cursory scan of Wikipedia,

1437
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 3: and my jaw dropped. Okay, Bruce McCandless, mcc A N

1438
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 3: D L.

1439
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: E S S. Okay, I'm pulling this up. Go ahead, continue.

1440
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: Bruce McCandless completed the first untethered spacewalk using the manned

1441
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 3: maneuvering unit that giant sort of rectangular boxy backpack looking thing,

1442
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 3: the rosters. Yeah, the rocket backpack. Okay, the rocket backpack,

1443
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 3: so untethered, he's not connected to the Space Shuttle. He

1444
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 3: did the first one, the first untethered MMU tye. It

1445
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 3: goes without saying ballsy.

1446
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of pressure there. If you slip on

1447
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: the joystick, you know that's that's an issue.

1448
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 3: Through space and hope for the best. So Bruce McCandless

1449
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 3: from southern California goes to Stanford, gets his electrical engineering degree,

1450
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 3: gets an NBA, joins the Navy, is a board uh

1451
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 3: board multiple ships during the Cuban Missile crisis, flying planes.

1452
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 3: I think that it was aircraft carriers. Yeah, it looks

1453
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 3: like he was the word aircraft carriers during the Cuban

1454
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 3: missile crisis. Went to NASA. Was the mission control capsule

1455
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,520
Speaker 3: communicator on the Apollo eleven mission. So he was communicating

1456
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 3: with Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong during launch and during

1457
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 3: the first moonwalk. Okay, then he gets involved in Skylab.

1458
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:29,560
Speaker 3: He's like he takes point on Skylab. He logged, eventually

1459
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 3: became and this was like declassified that he became a

1460
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 3: Space Shuttle pilot. He logged over three hundred and twelve

1461
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 3: hours in space. The MMU time.

1462
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 1: Four hours, four.

1463
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 3: Hours He was a mission specialist on STS forty one,

1464
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 3: BSTS thirty one, whatever. He deployed satellites. He was all

1465
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 3: over the place. I actually did check. He worked for

1466
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 3: Lockheed Martin after he retired from NASA. He actually passed

1467
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 3: away three years ago. The board people are like, yeah,

1468
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 3: this dude lived a life. Yeah, this dude lived a life.

1469
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 3: He graduated from his Navy graduating class or whatever, the

1470
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 3: Naval Academy, which he also received a Bachelor of Science from.

1471
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 3: He was in John McCain's graduating class. So some big

1472
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: names in that class, it seems. And this was the

1473
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 3: after the PostScript, I guess as it were. On September thirtieth,

1474
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 3: twenty ten, McCandless launched a lawsuit against British singer Dido

1475
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 3: for unauthorized use of a photo of his nineteen eighty

1476
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 3: four spaceflight for the album art of her two thousand

1477
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 3: and eight album Safe Trip Home, which showed McCandless quote

1478
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 3: free flying about three hundred and twenty feet away from

1479
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 3: the Space Shuttle challenger Mike. They settled everything amicably, is

1480
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 3: what I'm what I'm reading here, But that is a lifetie.

1481
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: I have many thoughts on this The first thing that

1482
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: comes to mind is that he is sort of like

1483
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: the Space Program's version of Forrest Gump, where he just

1484
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: shows up. I was gonna say that these do Sekis Guy,

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Speaker 1: the do Sekis Guy, but Forrest Gump, I'm thinking of

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Speaker 1: those scenes where he just sort of like wanders into

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Speaker 1: the background of famous news events and whatnot. But secondly foreground.

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Speaker 2: To be good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, secondly good hell, what a life?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? What a life?

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Speaker 3: Bruce McCandless HoTT. You just stumble upon these things, You're like,

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Speaker 3: Holy hell, this guy was all over from Long Beach,

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Speaker 3: Southern California.

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Speaker 2: Guy.

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Speaker 1: Well look fun show, weird way to end it, but

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Speaker 1: always informative. On the UFL Show, we would encourage everybody

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Speaker 1: to subscribe if they haven't all ready, to check out

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Speaker 1: the Patreon at verbowlers dot com as well as our

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Speaker 1: social media accounts, which you could find pretty much everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Just look for the Solid Verbal. We've also got a

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel at YouTube dot com slash the the Solid

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Speaker 1: Verbal Dan. We will be talking to folks on the

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Speaker 1: Patreon and our discord channel. We would urge everybody if

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Speaker 1: you're not there and you still want to be part

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Speaker 1: of the activity four to oh eight verbal one is

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Speaker 1: the reverb blind. It's four oh eight eight through seven

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Speaker 1: two two five one. That's how you can get in

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Speaker 1: touch with us and give us your thoughts stream of

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Speaker 1: consciousness throughout the course of a college football game day.

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Speaker 1: On Saturday, we'll pick our favorites and put them together

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. I can't wait time. I cannot wait for

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Speaker 1: that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for

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Speaker 1: myself to Hildebrand. We will talk to you all in

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Speaker 1: a few days. Have a weekend. Stay sol, please,