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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. Let's give a big shout out

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Speaker 1: to our super guest producer, Matt the Madman.

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Speaker 2: Still o O la la.

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Speaker 1: Now we are live in a new land for us, indeed,

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Speaker 1: and you're no Old Brown. Yes, I'm Ben Bollen, and

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Speaker 1: we're doing something extra special today, Noel. We are exploring

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Speaker 1: a very strange story that doesn't often get talked about

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Speaker 1: and is somewhat the matter apropos for us, wouldn't you say?

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Speaker 2: I would say so.

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Speaker 3: It is in relation to a different land, but there

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Speaker 3: are some crossovers here in terms of the the type

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Speaker 2: Animal in question. There there we go.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of crossovers, we are and animals and absolute animals.

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Speaker 1: We are joined with a very special guest that usually

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Speaker 1: just shows up to ruin the show at the end.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't be more happy, reluctantly so to welcome today's

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Speaker 1: special guest, the Man, the Myth, the Legend, the notorious

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland a k A.

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Speaker 3: Well, hold on a second, now, I'm hoping that we

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Speaker 3: could just get Jonathan as Jonathan, right, if you say

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Speaker 3: the name, it's.

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Speaker 2: Like be Actually, have you heard that? That's how we

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Speaker 4: I had not heard that, but it makes perfect sense. Hi,

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Speaker 4: I'm Jonathan. Hey, Jonathan, Hey, I'm really excited. I hope

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Speaker 4: we're talking about drum dairies.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, apparently the hump of the Dramedary is

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Speaker 3: in some parts of the one, including the one we're

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Speaker 3: in currently, which is Doha, Qatar.

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Speaker 2: Quite the delicacy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's like ninety fat and apparently you put it

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Speaker 3: in stews and it just that good fat, just dissolves

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Speaker 2: It a real o mami.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's also true that there's a long standing myth about

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Speaker 1: our Dramedary friends. They do not store water in the hump.

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Speaker 1: They store, as you were saying, noel, delicious fat. Let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, and let's come from a place of great affection, you.

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Speaker 3: Guys, which is, by the way, Doha, Qatar, where we

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Speaker 3: are right with great affection. I don't know if we

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Speaker 3: mentioned them. Now we are at web Summit, Qatar. We

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Speaker 3: have been invited by the lovely folks at iHeart to

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Speaker 3: help them do some educational tracks about podcasting here with

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Speaker 3: some Middle Eastern creators, everyone we've met thus far.

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Speaker 2: We just did our first session. By the way, I

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Speaker 2: think it went smashingly well, so.

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Speaker 4: Popular you standing room only.

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Speaker 3: I was a little taken aback in the best possible way,

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Speaker 3: and everyone's been super kind. We stuck around, answered a

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Speaker 3: lot of questions, and I'm really proud of us. Ben,

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Speaker 3: I'm proud of the crowd for sure. Crowd, proud crowd,

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Speaker 3: proud first and foremost. And thank you, of course Jonathan

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Speaker 3: for being our plant, being our random, random man in

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Speaker 3: the audience.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: What is it? What is it that? What's his name?

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Speaker 3: Darren Brown? You know the mentalist? He says there are

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Speaker 3: no stooges involved.

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Speaker 2: You were? You were our stooge.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I was. I was extra stoogie mostly but

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Speaker 4: due to sleep deprivation.

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Speaker 2: And yet flag you just arrived yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, we have had the pleasure and privilege of

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Speaker 2: I feel just about normal.

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Speaker 1: And here's here's what we're exploring today. You guys, if

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Speaker 1: you never saw imagine you've lived your whole life full

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Speaker 1: of ridiculous historians. You've never seen a camel, narry a picture,

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Speaker 2: Rendering, freaky beast.

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Speaker 1: One day you saw one, your first thought will probably

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Speaker 1: be camels are wacky looking. I say this with great effection.

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Speaker 3: How?

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Speaker 2: And then a spit right in your mouth?

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Speaker 1: So uh, look, they got that walk, they got that

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that. That's for shadwy. Oh.

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Speaker 3: You know it's funny though, Ben I always have you

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there's the wonky sinuous neck, the odd one

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Speaker 2: Gives you one versus two? I breed thing.

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Speaker 1: I personally, I will share this anecdote later. I am

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Speaker 2: I want the double hump because it makes for a

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Speaker 2: think they have a better attitude in general, little less

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Speaker 4: Have you ever ridden one?

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Speaker 3: Whilst we're out here. They have these desert safaris where

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Speaker 3: you can hire a camel that will take you around.

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Speaker 1: Well, you hire the person who's the camel's camel human,

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Speaker 1: but the camel handler. You don't straight up hire the camel.

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Speaker 2: No, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just I just be sort of like hiring

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Speaker 2: Indeed. So they also have feet that look like straight

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Speaker 2: up clown shoes. Yep. Just this is like a Friar's

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Speaker 4: They nobby knees, they got knobby knees.

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Speaker 1: And for some reason, maybe I'm anthropomorphizing, these goofy little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they look like Eddie Vedder from Pearl Jam and

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I call him little, but I never

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Speaker 1: But it's weird because all of the stuff we just

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Speaker 1: a marvel of evolution.

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Speaker 2: Boy, is it ever?

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Speaker 1: Highly adapted to one of the most unforgiving biomes on

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Speaker 2: They can not just survive, but thrive.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I agree they are wonders of the

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Speaker 3: Because they also have their own genre of music and

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Speaker 3: it's called camel core.

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Speaker 1: Rule of three we will hold sacracinct. Here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: and here's the answer Jonathan's question. Back in the eighteen hundred,

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Speaker 1: thinking outside the box, taking outside the box, thinking atop

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Speaker 1: the hump. They looked around the US and thought, holy smokes,

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Speaker 1: the story of the United States. Camel core, chemical camo core,

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Speaker 2: Going to take is the squonk does it tell me

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Speaker 2: it's the squawk? It's got a squank five.

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Speaker 1: A little bit. So okay, let's let's set the stage. Noel,

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Speaker 1: can we can we get a beginning of the chemicals?

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Speaker 3: I prefer to start in the middle in media rus Indeed, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: Those United States.

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Speaker 3: We are not currently there the first modern democracy in

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Speaker 1: They yeah, yeah, And there were a lot of ethically

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Speaker 2: And big corporate America yes, and.

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Speaker 1: Various let's be honest, war crimes, genocides and other stuff

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Speaker 1: that wasn't bad all the slow jazz. The nation encompasses grows,

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Speaker 1: and it encompasses a variety of unique, distinct ecosystems, including

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Speaker 1: these massive swaths of desert.

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Speaker 2: What will we do with the desert?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, Yeah, these people are going on sojourns. Right, civilians

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Speaker 1: Uncle Sam. And you can go to places like Armyhistory

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Speaker 1: of them. In the eighteen thirties, America's westward expansion was

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Speaker 1: and animals alike. Which is what we just said, but

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Speaker 3: Conversation, very very high falutine, I would say too that

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Speaker 3: the animals in question you here are things like pack

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Speaker 3: mules and horses, which are great and they can take

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Speaker 3: a lot of punishment, but they are not particularly well

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Speaker 3: suited to the desert climbs and terrain.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: The strengths of the horse are one thing, right, camel

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Speaker 4: strengths are another where they're not a one to one replacement,

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Speaker 4: as the army would discover. But if you do need something,

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Speaker 2: That you caune needs something, if you do need something

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Speaker 2: you shouldn't please do.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Bena Jezarette, you need to get across

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Speaker 2: Yes, what is it? The worm walk?

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Speaker 4: Fear is the mind killing, that's for sure. Let's but

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Speaker 4: as I'm going through every Frank Herbert reference, I could

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Speaker 4: So is he tired at this point? No, he would,

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Speaker 4: Last job getting supplies to the Union troops. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: But he wouldn't have gotten that far had he not

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Both of these guys were quartermasters, and so they

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Speaker 3: Could we also just point out that the precedent for

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Speaker 3: they are thought to have been first domesticated by human

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Ben, correct.

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Speaker 4: I also would like to just remind us, because it's easy,

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Speaker 4: but easy for me to forget that. You know, horses

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Speaker 4: sure there were people will say why not camels?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or just.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, narco bosses a little further south said

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Speaker 3: Also true, And I mean we also just take a

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Speaker 2: Right, That's part of why they're always smirking. So they're like,

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Speaker 3: Then whatever, whether the water is stored in the hump

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Speaker 4: So we've got a couple of different people coming forward

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Speaker 2: To get it a go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you need a patriot. And this is where Henry C.

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Speaker 1: Wayne is contacting a guy who was at the time

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Speaker 1: more thorough study and he's going, Jeffy, baby, help me

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Speaker 1: buy some camels. Let's make this official. And Wayne is

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Speaker 1: He had seen that harsh unforgiving calliche.

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Speaker 3: He know, yeah, that hard Callechi. Yeah, sorry, that's from

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Speaker 3: no country for old men. That's where that comes from.

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Speaker 3: Very cormack MacCarthy, end of you.

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Speaker 2: Ben.

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Speaker 3: But this dude knows the merits of what is being pitched.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's he's doing that thing where someone has

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Speaker 4: Right, Yes, so we've all heard the phrase necessity is

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Speaker 4: your motivation. Like if you if you need to get

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Speaker 1: Likely to get it happen. Okay, so we're we're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: Seven years later, eighteen fifty five, right, Davis finally, due

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Speaker 2: Can we Dad?

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Speaker 3: Oh geez geez inflation calculary sim as Max. We really

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Speaker 3: If Max were here, he would have set a boop boop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well, but now we have Jonathan joining us

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Speaker 2: Can you give us a boot? Jonathan? Sure, dude, boop? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: you're really good at that.

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Speaker 3: Thirty thousand US dollars eighteen fifty five, by today's inflation

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Speaker 1: One million, eighty eight thousand, two hundred ninety three dollars

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay bad. What were we going to use that

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Speaker 3: Ben?

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Speaker 2: Well, they were going to use it, Noel, to buy

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Speaker 2: And I like a boop to a boop tons.

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Speaker 1: Good.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of camels you can get for a

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Speaker 4: Now, Interestingly, the military would continue, ourt least people in

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Speaker 2: This is perfect. This is you would get issued them,

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Speaker 1: Yeah it was Yeah, yeah, it's still in a couple

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's also the finish breakfast, right, which I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, super healthy, right, good? And so think of it

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Speaker 1: It still feels very blue sky brainstorm mode. It's like

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Speaker 1: coming up soon. That would be the civil war.

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Speaker 2: In this space. But you're still in the long weekend,

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Speaker 2: so you're brainstorming. Anything's possible. I'll have one more beer.

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Speaker 1: But Senator Davis gets this month, Jeff d Jeffy duh.

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Speaker 1: He follows up with his own study in eighteen fifty seven,

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Speaker 1: and he's at least partially motivated just to prove this

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Speaker 3: Gotta be scalable, guys, to use corporate speak, you know.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, well, I mean, like again, getting back to logistics,

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Speaker 4: You're not going to go to the camel store, so

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean at this point, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Like that's great, let's let's get that way. Way so

444
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 1: they have this is like active of a heist film.

445
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: You raise the point that they have to go somewhere else.

446
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 1: So Major Wayne not to get conspiratorial. Major Wayne also

447
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: happens to know that there's a fellow camel nut named

448
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: David Dixon Porter, which makes me wonder if there's this

449
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: cottage community or this circle camel enthusiasts of people who

450
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: are friends entirely based on there enthusiasm. Yeah, for Camel's well,

451
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean the camel Lover's Society okay, oh yeah, the CLS.

452
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: So porter was.

453
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 4: The son of of like an investador, was a diplomat, yes,

454
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 4: and so he actually had spent time in the Middle East,

455
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 4: which means that he had seen camel's firsthand. And uh,

456
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 4: my guess is that the love of camel's is somewhat

457
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 4: based upon their very foreign appearance to people of the

458
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: you know, from Western countries who had never been exposed

459
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 4: to it, and you have that initial reaction of well,

460
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: what the hell is that damn thing over there?

461
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: Exoticism?

462
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 4: Yes, that's true, and so part of it is probably that,

463
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: you know, one, you have that that element of uh,

464
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: this is amazing, I've never seen anything like it.

465
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: Then you also have the element of.

466
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: WTFS well yeah, yeah, but also you'd see you see

467
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: how the the indigenous peoples are able to make use

468
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: of the creatures in ways that no other creature would

469
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 3: be able to.

470
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, withstand and and then there's that power of nostalgia,

471
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: like you're saying, and.

472
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: So they sort of commission a study, right, or at

473
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: the very least, a paper, a proposal.

474
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: They start, they start brainstorming, because now fast forward, Porter

475
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: is the commander of a ship called the USS Supply.

476
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 3: A little bit on the note, I also love that

477
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: the story has involved so far three major studies and

478
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 3: a major a major one of those stories.

479
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: Actually from a major, but three, three massive studies into

480
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: the possibility of bringing camels over. It's I just love

481
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 4: that it spanned multiple decades and studies there and the

482
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 4: very first study was saying, hey, this would be a

483
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: good idea.

484
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: Two more and then well that's bureaucracy for you.

485
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 3: Is the most recent one, by the way, as you

486
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 3: point out, then, in a burst of creativity, it was

487
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: titled Purchase of Camels for the Purpose of Military Transportation.

488
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: And so you know, I think we're also being very

489
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: generous with the word study.

490
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: I don't think there were a ton of proposal, right,

491
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: This was.

492
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: More of a daddy may I. You know that's at

493
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: least on some level. Now, these guys were bringing expertise

494
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: the field. They were able to object a sales pitch.

495
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: It was a sales pitch. Three studies in the making,

496
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: and so uh, Major Wayne through the Camel Lover Society

497
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: contact Porter.

498
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: We can only imagine and says, hey, man, where we go?

499
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: And they they say, okay, cool. From what I remember

500
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: about camels, they're kind of big.

501
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: So let's take a look at.

502
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: The boat boys, right, and we got to figure out

503
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: how we get them across the Atlantic, then through the

504
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: East Coast, then I go over land through non desert,

505
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: through a lot of don desert.

506
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: Uh, and don't kill them on the way. Yeah.

507
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's a lot more complicated than just making

508
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 4: sure those humps match up with each other so you

509
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 4: can stack them up exactly like I can't. Yeah, you

510
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 4: think you just to lay down, I mean, like we're joking.

511
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 4: But obviously this is a non trivial matter. Like the

512
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: logistics mid mid nineteenth century, crossing the Atlantic alone is

513
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 4: already a herculean effort. And you still, as you said, Ben,

514
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 4: you still have I don't know, almost all of North

515
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 4: America to cross before you start getting to the desert

516
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: park right.

517
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: Well, And in the same way that the horses and

518
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: pack mules were not suited to the desert, these ships

519
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: of the desert.

520
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 2: Were not suited to the route to the getting. Yeah.

521
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is where our story. Uh, if you are

522
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 4: an animal lover like me, gets a little.

523
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 1: Sad, it gets it gets a massive sad ossity in

524
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: some ways because we know, Okay, so Porter is already

525
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: doing stuff with his ship, the USS Supply, and Major

526
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: Wayne just hops aboard as as as an add on,

527
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: a bonus buddy, and the Supply is going to an

528
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: unrelated mission to Italy during this trip. The Major just

529
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: pops away. He just says, okay, uh, you know, TTYL,

530
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: thanks for the ride. I'm gonna learn about camels. He

531
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: went hardcore on camel.

532
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: Journey of Discoveries. Sounds like such an awesome job. A

533
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: little bit yeah, and he does his homework for sure.

534
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: There's a gap in your resume, sir. Oh, yes, I was.

535
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: That was my camel year studying. It was my camel year.

536
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: Sort of a gap between the huts. Yea exactly of

537
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: a career. So how does he go about this? He's

538
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: got to visit a bunch of different places.

539
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's name a few.

540
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pisa, where he hangs out with a camel caravan.

541
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: He goes to Paris where he has a little hang

542
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: with a French colleague, about the French Camel Corps, which

543
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: I believe was run by the French Foreign Legion, or

544
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: at the very least there was use of camels by

545
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: the French correct exactly, so these are used in an

546
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: imperialist activities. This is also considered an off the books,

547
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: a bit hush hush.

548
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: Meeting for reasons.

549
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 4: I have to admit that if I have to research anything,

550
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: Paris is way up on my list of places to

551
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 4: research stuff, even if it has nothing to do with

552
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: whatever I'm looking into.

553
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: Well place, Yeah, interesting history.

554
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we're gonna be honest with you, folks. I

555
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: don't want to call you guys. I don't want to

556
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: speak for you, but I have that multiple times tried

557
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: to pull kind of a major Wayne to Paris move

558
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: with our own with our own bosses over at iHeart.

559
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, say you know what would be awesome for this?

560
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: There is a world Expo in Osaka, and I think

561
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: we could get some great shows out of it. Okay,

562
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: that's my next one, by the way, pitching that if

563
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: you guys.

564
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 4: Well, it's also sometimes sometimes our company comes to us

565
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 4: and say, hey, guys, would you like to to be

566
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: part of a group that we're sending to Katar the

567
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: web summit and we're like, that's incredible.

568
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

569
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, it works both ways, it does, but in

570
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: this case. So then we get we get the reunited

571
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 4: and it feels so good, and it feels so good

572
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: between Porter and Wayne.

573
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: Can I just say so, I stopped thinking about every

574
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: time I read Major Wayne, I think of Major Pain

575
00:29:58,840 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: starring Marlon Wayne.

576
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: I'm not true, brother, That's exactly right.

577
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: Sorry, I just had to say it out loud so

578
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: that maybe it would get out of my head.

579
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: But fair enough.

580
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: Carry on, So we get Wayne and Porter getting back together.

581
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: They're still not done with their fact finding mission, right,

582
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: They want to go a few more places, learn as

583
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: much as they can. Honestly, while I was joking about

584
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 4: all the different studies, et cetera, the fact that they're

585
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: taking this so seriously is a good thing.

586
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

587
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's also they're protecting their investment. You know,

588
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: this is a million dollars by today's math. So they

589
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: did not want to get the right. They did not

590
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: want to lose their cargo, their precious cars.

591
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: They also need first hand accounts of military experience with

592
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: camels right in supply chain, so they go to crime

593
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: They visit Egypt, Malta, like you were saying, know, some

594
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: of the North African areas where the camel has been

595
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: a part of life for a long time. They go

596
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: to Turkey and while in crimea major Wayne meets up

597
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: with these British officers, picture the stereotypes of favorite British

598
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: officer at the time, and then say, oh, you know,

599
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: tell me old being about your experience with camels in

600
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: the Crimean War. And I'm being a little bit glib

601
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: with that, but it is important to your point, Jonathan,

602
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: because they need someone who can say this worked, ye.

603
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: Right, because otherwise they're going to if things go south. Right,

604
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: if things go south, they okay, I'm not trying.

605
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: To be they are ultimately going south.

606
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to force out here. But if things

607
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: go south then they did not do this part of

608
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 4: the fact finding mission, then obviously they are going to

609
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 4: be held accountable for making a terrible decision. But if

610
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 4: they said no, we spoke with multiple people who have

611
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: used camels and supply chains in the past. It worked,

612
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 4: we had That's why we continued forward with this.

613
00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 1: And they're being very honest because before these fact new missions.

614
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: Part of the reason, I would argue they're so thorough

615
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: before they set upon this adventure. These guys loved camels,

616
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: but they didn't know the first thing about actual camels.

617
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: The reports, anecdotes, nostalgia. They had kind of a vibe,

618
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

619
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: A bit of a vibe.

620
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: Check. Yeah, I like the film the masterpiece that is Vibes,

621
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: starring Cyndi Lauper and Jeff Vibes.

622
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Please check it out. I'm pointing to

623
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: someone outside of the studio. Hello, Vibes is an amazing

624
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: movie from the nineteen eighties.

625
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: Oh a strong world to take better than Ghostbusters. Oh,

626
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: amazing means a lot of things.

627
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: I've I've ruined ourk careers. Then it's a movie that

628
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: exists and it's worth your time. It is a it

629
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: is a product of the time that in which it

630
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: was created. But these fact finding missions are all in

631
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: all a success. They're about ready to drop this cash

632
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: on some camels, about thirty thousand dollars USD.

633
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 4: The question I have for you, then, is your mid

634
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 4: nineteenth century You got thirty grand how many camels does

635
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 4: that buy?

636
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked. This is why we have

637
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: fun at parties together. It will purchase thirty three camels.

638
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: But wait, does Billy Mays was wont to say? There's

639
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: more you with that? You get a price break. You

640
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: also get some saddles to throw them in some fair

641
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: crossing the little whippy thing. They also are able to

642
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: use some money to get some drivers, some trainers. This

643
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: doesn't cost them thirty grand. They get all this for

644
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: to get this, folks, the low low price of eight

645
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: thousand dollars us.

646
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Why that's a steal? It sure is.

647
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: I'll take two Wait wait, well I'm sorry. Where where

648
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: what the rest of the money go? They pocket the rest?

649
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, guys, we're not taking questions for moving on.

650
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: So I love to say we're not taking questions anyway. Yeah,

651
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: so they get they don't just get one kind of camel, right,

652
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: They also get the they get the Bactrian, they get

653
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: the single humped camel. We already talked about some of

654
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: the differences. Now let's talk some anecdotes. Because Jonathan, you

655
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: said something interesting that we're I'm not going to.

656
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: Let it go. Uh you asked us if we had

657
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 2: ridden camels.

658
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said that you have, I have would

659
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: you like to tell us about that on the record?

660
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: Sure? Uh.

661
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 4: I rode a camel when my parents took me to

662
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: a Renaissance festival in the state of Georgia where there

663
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 4: were camels that would take children on a very slow,

664
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: methodical circle around the field.

665
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 2: Don't they still do that at the right fair? They

666
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: do it now?

667
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 4: Yes, I thought it so. For many years they didn't.

668
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: They had instead they had ponies, Yeah, and the little

669
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: pony carousel essentially for real zies. Sure, putting the polls

670
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: through them was just heartbreaking, But they have they now have,

671
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: they've had They've had camels on and off over the

672
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 4: last several years.

673
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: Got it, I went, I was able to have a

674
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: similar experience for a long time. You guys know the

675
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: musician Conway Twitty. Of course, yes, okay, good because otherwise

676
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: well it doesn't matter. But Conway Twitter for a Twitter

677
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: show he had, he had a big compound in the States,

678
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: in the state of Tennessee, and he turned this into

679
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: like a Christmas themed fair every year called Twitty City Twitter.

680
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: The only that's fine, that's fun with Dollywood thing with.

681
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: Arguably off the books branding from Tweetyburg. So is Twitty

682
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: city that was arguing, and they had the big draw

683
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: was I could get my camel license writing in a

684
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: methodical circle as long as it was renewed each year.

685
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: And I was convinced for way too long that I

686
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: really was qualified to write. It came like you had

687
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: a legit. Oh they told you this, Yeah, they told

688
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: you this. As my parents went along with it, and

689
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: they would tell me, you know, we've got to go

690
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: back because your camel license will expire.

691
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: Aspiring that would be a real shame.

692
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: Then finally learned the real truth at age of thirty two.

693
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: At thirty two, when they were no longer let me

694
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: into the now long closed twenty City and the caretaker said,

695
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: you know, with a little bit of pity.

696
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you you experienced pity in twitty City.

697
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: Was the back of your neck getting dirty and gritty?

698
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh jesus, it was a hot time in the city. Guys.

699
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 3: All, I recall, my only recollection of my camel experience

700
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: is back when I was a small German boy, and

701
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: it was at some sort of fun and fair in Deutschleans.

702
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome. So you you have also encountered that.

703
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: And to be clear, other than Porter, most people have

704
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: not had any of the experiences we're naming in the

705
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: US or in Germany on us. Very very true.

706
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: And there are, of course things that even their fact

707
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: finding mission perhaps held back, which is the somewhat cantankerous

708
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: nature of these creatures.

709
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: They're sassy boys. They're sassy boys. So all right, they

710
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: get these.

711
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: Five camel drivers, and these guys are functioning as trainers,

712
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: the ideas we can teach you as soldiers how to train, ride,

713
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: and care for these animals, so we'll be completely new

714
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: to them. And then they also said, yeah, we've got

715
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: to do We've got to really modify our ship. We

716
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: gotta do some serious improvements because, like you said, they

717
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: can't just stack them.

718
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 4: Horizontally playing Tetris with camels. Yes, yeah, So they retrofit

719
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: the supply, so the supply becomes the camel supply. And

720
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 4: I love that you have in here in your in

721
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: your notes here Ben about the ventilation system they make,

722
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 4: which sounds to me like that was something that should

723
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 4: have been necessary on a lot.

724
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 2: Of ships of the time, absolutely, but was not. Uh

725
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: they are chonky and sanky. Yeah, so they.

726
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 4: They used they used the sails to redirect wind down

727
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 4: into the hold in order to provide some ventilation.

728
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: Cas and they and they also this is an interesting point. Okay,

729
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm going somewhere with this. We know how in descriptions

730
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: of sea monsters or naval battles sea monsters, especially.

731
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: Uh, the in the margins of old maps.

732
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, here be spur serpents, spurpens. Here be serpents.

733
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: So these you're not gonna let me no, okay, spurpens

734
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: is too good.

735
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: It's fine to say. Listen, we're all tired. It's okay,

736
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: I'm loving it.

737
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: Tell us if spurpens lands and define what a spurpoents

738
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: is for us, we'll open that door.

739
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: It has lovely Lady Luscius lady humps. Yeah. Well, here's

740
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: the reason why, at least why some of those giant squid,

741
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: which are a real thing or colossal colossal squas should say,

742
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: Davy Jones giant squid. Yes, yes, uh wait, which one

743
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: is that?

744
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: It's the Michael Bolton Lonely and this is the song

745
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: of Jack Sparrow.

746
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: Yes, so they.

747
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: Looked bigger, and some of those paintings were not as

748
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: inaccurate as they may seem, because the ships are much

749
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: smaller than we imagine them. The ships you see and

750
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: pirates of the Caribbean are incredibly rare in the historic.

751
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Yes, so these are more like

752
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: little schooners.

753
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: I mean you would have like galleons and stuff in

754
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: the Spanish da which were truly massive, but not everyone

755
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 4: was he seeing galleons.

756
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: And that's exactly why this supply ship has to rebuild itself,

757
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: rebuild his deck to allow these camels in.

758
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: I had a little hot moment of confusion myself, so

759
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: I'm just going to remind the listeners at home.

760
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: This is a supply ship that is called the supply Yes.

761
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I had to look at our notes like

762
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 4: five times because then I saw that the supply ship

763
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 4: left Smyrna, and that's like north of Atlanta.

764
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: It is indeed a suburb of Atlanta where we are.

765
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: Where isn't it?

766
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: Also?

767
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 2: Is it in in Greece? Turkey? Turkey or Turkey Hey

768
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: turkeyk Yeah, yeah, thank.

769
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: You thinks and so on May fourth, Oh, they have

770
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: to there's one battory and camels so big they just

771
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: give up and they say, okay, We're going to cut

772
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: a hole in the deck.

773
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 2: Everybody just be careful.

774
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 4: Just walk around the hump, Just walk around the home.

775
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: Mind the gap and mind the gap, mind the hump.

776
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: May fourteenth, eighteen fifty six. They arrive at Indianola, Texas

777
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: with thirty four total camels.

778
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: But wait, wait, wait wait thirty three started with thirty

779
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: three the very least I would have thought we'd maybe

780
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: have lost a few and rude, what happened?

781
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: This is this is uh, this is what Jonathan was

782
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: telling us all about, how this this is the part

783
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: that's not great for animal lovers.

784
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, specifically not great for camels. Something of

785
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: a trigger warning here.

786
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we had some losses, obviously, we also had

787
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 4: some gains all on that. But as I said, crossing

788
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 4: the Atlantic herculean effort mid nineteenth century. It took a

789
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 4: long time to do. It is not something that one

790
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: does not simply cross the Atlantic Ocean. So we have

791
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 4: start with thirty three. One of the camels does not

792
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: survive the crossing, so we're down to thirty two. All right,

793
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: but we have six camels born during the crossing. Woh

794
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: okay on life, only two of which survive. Ah yeah,

795
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: bummer right, all right, so that's what brings us up

796
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: to the thirty four in total.

797
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: Which is a net gain. That's true.

798
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: Game.

799
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: But then don't they decide they still need more?

800
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: They do decide they still need more. It turns out

801
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: that you can't solve all your supply chain issues with

802
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 4: just thirty four camp.

803
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: Right, okay, well yeah again early days, right, brainstorming, no

804
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: wrong answers. This is where we see the brass considering

805
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: this a cost effective success, right yeah, and remember doing

806
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: they're counting the beans and counting the camels. And remember

807
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: the entire time these guys are coming back from the Atlantic,

808
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: the tensions in the United States are ratcheting up, so

809
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: there is an increased concern, which means an increased budget.

810
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: And thus it comes to pass that they land and

811
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: the US government tells old porter, great job, buddy, good hustle.

812
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Turn around like today, go back to the Middle East.

813
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: Buy more camels, just like that. You know, we need

814
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: more cow bell sketch.

815
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: Did they re up the budget as well, and they

816
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: gave them a few more checkles. They didn't even spend

817
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: all the money, that's right. They did really well. They

818
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: got good camel deals, so they.

819
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: Were able to go on back and this time they

820
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: decide they're going to be even more ambitious. They don't.

821
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: They don't just buy thirty three camels, they go up

822
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 4: to forty one, one short of the answer to life,

823
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 4: the universe and everything.

824
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: And in the business, that's what we call a cliffhanger. Folks.

825
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: This is Part one of the US Camel cor We

826
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: could not be more pleased that you joined us. We

827
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: are going to be returning later this week with Part

828
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: two and the Legend of the Red ghost.

829
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: Ugh, so metal camel Core and the Red Ghosts.

830
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: And big big things do you, fellow ridiculous historians. Also

831
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: big big thanks to our guest super producer Matt the Madman.

832
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: Still Matt, I should have checked with you before giving

833
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: you that nickname.

834
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: But we're in it now.

835
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 4: We're not in it.

836
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: Names work were in it. They're bestowed upon you. You

837
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: don't get it.

838
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 4: You didn't hear what I What I said about him

839
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 4: and my introduction are all sorts of monikers.

840
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, yeah, And speaking of monikers, big big things

841
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: of course, to the one and only Jonathan Baby Jay Strickland,

842
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the show.

843
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: I know that's one of your least famous.

844
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 4: Oh there's a video on YouTube. From the old stuff

845
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 4: works days. If you want to see my reaction to

846
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 4: that can has cookie, I'm going to get you. Yeah. No,

847
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 4: thanks so much for having me on.

848
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: Also, spoiler alert, we have already recorded part two.

849
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: Stop it.

850
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 4: We're coming back from the future. It's just like Looper

851
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 4: Ben and I have to say, uh, this might have

852
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: been the most fun.

853
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 2: I've had on the show. It was a good time.

854
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: And but by the way, we are also technically coming

855
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 3: to you from the future because where we sit in

856
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: Doha Guitar we're eight hours ahead of where we live

857
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: and looks like Blade Runner, like Blade Runner outside wild.

858
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: You know, I think one of the people we're riding

859
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: with from the airport here's that all the time? Yeah,

860
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: because there's one building in particular that's quite angular, a

861
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: gigantic triangle.

862
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: A sword.

863
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like an anime sword of Final Fantasy. And

864
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: they said, wow, it looks just like Blade Runner, and

865
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: the guy who was driving.

866
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: Said, yep. So that's like what someone says, have you

867
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: been bulleted lately?

868
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: But we do have some more people to think of course,

869
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: thanks to Chris rossiotis the legendary us Jeff Cots here

870
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: in spirit and who.

871
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: Else woh gosh, Jonathan Strickland aka the Quist, who also

872
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 3: exists in human form currently and sits before me corporeally.

873
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: I love it.

874
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure having you, sir, as well as

875
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: Max Williams, our super producer, long suffering.

876
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: Thanks for the hot edits on this one from afar.

877
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: We really appreciate you, and of course also Alex Williams,

878
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: who composed this bang and Bob we call a theme.

879
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: Big big thanks of course to the rude dudes over

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Speaker 1: a ridiculous crime. Big thanks to everybody who made this possible.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to get in front of this

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Speaker 1: because it's very personally important.

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Speaker 2: Big thanks to say Man, Yeah, Camel's in general, Camil kind.

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Speaker 2: Big thanks to Citee. I think we're on the way. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 4: No one's going to know what that is until part two,

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 1: Right, And that's why I'm like, Yeah, there's a method

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Speaker 1: in the ground.

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Speaker 2: It's like Looper. It's just like Looper.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna make that reference as many times as

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Speaker 4: we can.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks.

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