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Speaker 1: Live from Indianapolis. This is continue coverage of the NFL

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Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to our two

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Speaker 1: of our bolder wall coverage from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Jerry du Lac along with At Williamson. Our combined coverage

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Speaker 1: is presented by First National Bank. Let's get started member

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Speaker 1: f D I C and they will get started with

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Speaker 1: drills tomorrow, Um, Matt at Lucas Oil Stadium. We are

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Speaker 1: broadcasting right across the street at the Indiana Convention Center. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, the the the layout here in Indiana, talking

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Speaker 1: most of downtown. And then of course the Convention Center

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Speaker 1: here connected to Lucas Oil Stadium underground. And so you

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Speaker 1: see a lot of the NFL people trapesing through the

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Speaker 1: Convention Center making their way over to Lucas Oil Stadium.

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Speaker 1: So the drill start tomorrow, and of course everybody will

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Speaker 1: be wanting to look at the quarterbacks. They all there's

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Speaker 1: six of them or three of them. Um. Everybody wants

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Speaker 1: to see the quarterbacks throw that always seems to be

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Speaker 1: the marquee event. And of course everybody in Pittsburgh have uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, has great interest in the quarterbacks this year

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Speaker 1: because we're gonna see what the Steelers do. Um. I

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Speaker 1: think in any other year, matt Um, most of these guys,

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Speaker 1: if not all of these guys might second round choices,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of them, but probably three of them

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Speaker 1: Kevin Corbortt said earlier yesterday, and he mentioned this last week.

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Speaker 1: He feels there's quality. What's there? There's just not a

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Speaker 1: lot there. Yeah, and clearly there's not a Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's not a slam dunk first overall pick.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of years not that Lawrence comes

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Speaker 1: around every year. Um. I'm infatuated with Malik Willis of

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Speaker 1: its traits, you know, I mean, he has remarkable clay

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Speaker 1: to mold um I also putting it, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see how that works out. But frankly, all

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks will win the first round last year, and

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Speaker 1: there are five of them, not even you know, basing

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Speaker 1: I'd take all five of them over anyone in this class,

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Speaker 1: you know. So to your point, it's probably five top

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Speaker 1: fifty picks most years, second rounders, maybe late first type

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Speaker 1: of guys. Is Malik willis that much different than Lamar

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Speaker 1: first or thirty second pick, you know, just thinking about

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Speaker 1: what they were working were as products. So that's a

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Speaker 1: little frightening, you know. I mean, it's I tend to

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Speaker 1: agree with Kevin that out of those five, I bet

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Speaker 1: three or four of them are long term starters, but

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Speaker 1: probably more Kirk Cousins than Pat Mahomes. You know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree that's good comparison as well. And I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, um where um you know interest you know, um,

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Speaker 1: Kenny pick. It's the tallest quarterback in yeah right, and

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Speaker 1: Malie was you know, they say six foot, which makes

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Speaker 1: me think, not that we haven't seen the measurables. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna guess he comes in five eleven and some and

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Speaker 1: he's yeah listed, Um, so he's not as a quote

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Speaker 1: small as Kyler Murray. And yet we're part part of

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Speaker 1: the issue. The Cardinals are having you know, we saw

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's agent come out the other day and say

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going. But part of it from

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Speaker 1: this the new wave? And he said, well, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: He said, let's see after they run around a little

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Speaker 1: get a big contract, how much teams will want him

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Speaker 1: running around. But you wonder if the agent for Kyler

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Speaker 1: the end he's just a guy. And that's a real problem.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not piling on Kyler Murray. But I also

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Speaker 1: For all these years he had Larry, were talking about leadership.

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett is right. The small hands is what they're saying. Right,

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Speaker 1: it is criticism. Excuse me, I think he's Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 1: more mobile than the young Ben? Yeah, obviously. In fact,

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425
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Speaker 1: he's definitely one of the best. If not the best

426
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Speaker 1: out here, and yet he didn't talk like it. Well,

427
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: that quality is boundless in Cleveland with your quarterback and

428
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: some of your other players company except um, yes, I

429
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: think I think one of those, you know, And I

430
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: just listened before coming over here to who By the way,

431
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 1: I didn't even know this, because that's what the combine. No,

432
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 1: just from Baker Mayfields High School like Ravas, Texas. And

433
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,879
Speaker 1: so you know you had Joe Burrow link up with

434
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: Joe uh R and although they didn't play together there,

435
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, about five or five years uh different in age,

436
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 1: but the Browns could use some chemistry on their offense.

437
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: And why that Baker had that with O b J. No,

438
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: only his dad thought that they didn't as that correct,

439
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: But I think Garret Derrick Wilson, Drake London and Trey

440
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: London Burke's any of those three would fit the Browns

441
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: to a t. I like Burkes, but they might like

442
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: one of the others. So you know, we were talking

443
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: earlier about one of the Knox I don't want to

444
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: say Knox, but the things they bring up about Kenny

445
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: pick A raised his hand size right, and and I said,

446
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: I brought up Baker who at the time. I believe

447
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: he used to he had the smallest hands of any

448
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Speaker 1: quarterback in in that draft. In your GM at the time,

449
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: John Dorsey, I remember here to combine being asked about

450
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, hand science is a big deal for

451
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: quarterback in the Northeast, and then he proceeded to draft

452
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: Baker anyhow. But you know, to um credit, I don't.

453
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't see any problem with Baker's hands in his game.

454
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that's his downfall for for

455
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: the year he had. He does have a lot of

456
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: I think in the years he's been in the league,

457
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: he's got more turnovers than any quarterback. Bumbles, yeah, but

458
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: bumbles are not like the pulse squirting out of his hand. Bumbles,

459
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: you know, they're like sacks and strip sacks and stuff.

460
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, Dorsey did say that, and I was surprised

461
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: that he took over to him right right, Well, he's

462
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: probably throwing everybody a curveball too, saying well, we're not

463
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: probably not gonna take Baker. So that's why he's consulting

464
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: in Detroit nowadays. So right, exactly, so, where did where

465
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: did the grounds go with Baker? Tone? I always ask

466
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: you this, and you know it's a matter of debate.

467
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 1: He struggled this year, no question about it. Uh here

468
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 1: before that they make a decision based on what they

469
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: saw last year. How much you know where there were

470
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: issues going on with O b j Or was that

471
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: just O b j uh complaining that he wasn't looking

472
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: at them? Where where did they go? No? I think

473
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of a lot of fire beneath

474
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: that smoke. I do think Landry Uh possibly leaving too.

475
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: You've got two guys that kind of turned on Baker

476
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: that are on their way out. Now where does that

477
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: leave Baker? I mean he's got to pick up his

478
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: his game and those two games against Pittsburgh a procious

479
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can't pee Pittsburgh in what is

480
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: a down year for them and supposedly a playoff year

481
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: the Browns. If if you're the quarterback of the Bronze

482
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: and you perform like that against Pittsburgh in two games, man,

483
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: I don't know why they aren't doing everything to explore

484
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: a better option than maybe they are. But Andrew Barry

485
00:24:54,600 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: yesterday the general manager huh Re up on his opinion

486
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: that Big will be healthy and we'll be the quarterback

487
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: next year. We're gonna listen to Kevin Stefanski at he's

488
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: gonna say the same thing. At some point I have

489
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: to start believing them, right, because the options seem to

490
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: be dwindling. There's a lot of teams out here, Jerry,

491
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: and you heard the g MS yesterday talked about I mean,

492
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: there's at least six teams who have no quarterback, right

493
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: and you were they're stilling to to get one. So

494
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: the Browns have Baker Mayfield. He's he's won a game,

495
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: he's won games for him, uh, and there's just not

496
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: enough supply out there, I think for something to happen.

497
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think that, uh to hope, so the

498
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: word they're gonna bring him back and hope things get better. Tony,

499
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: I'd never the hugest Mayfield fan, And on these airwaves

500
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I've said a thousand times Steeler fans, you should root

501
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: for the Browns to give him a big, long term deal,

502
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 1: which probably isn't in the works now after this past season.

503
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: But I think a little remiss if we didn't at

504
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: least acknowledge a million injuries last year. You know, I

505
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: think he's a things He's never gonna get pasted as

506
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: a starter, but boy he he got it out and

507
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: probablyn't have been out there as much as he was. Yeah,

508
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: and the team should have taken over that sit key

509
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: games the Browns needed to win, no matter how ugly,

510
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: you know. I mean one thing I did like to

511
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 1: steal a game, especially when they run the ball. To

512
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: give criticisms of of Stefanski, despite winning rookie Head Coach

513
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: of the he just doesn't see anything it takes to

514
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: win a game, you know, like if you had a

515
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: handoff to Chub and Greom Hunter unter Stutson forty right,

516
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: and he doesn't do that, and and you're right, Baker

517
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: played with some injuries. I think that's a is a

518
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: pandemic that goes around the league now with offensive coordinator.

519
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: I don't mean we're up, but I saw it on

520
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: three other occasions this year with the Chargers with the

521
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: Vikings and um uh geez, who was the other game?

522
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: God is right at the tip of my tongue. But anyway,

523
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: think of it, um where the coordinators they started out

524
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: thinking themselves and they're getting away from what by you know,

525
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: getting you know, if they're running the ball, you know,

526
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna third down or some third short, they're gonna

527
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: throw the ball. Stupid things like that. They're so worried

528
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: of being criticized for running the Titans. Titans was the

529
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: other game, because yeah, uh, they're so worried about getting

530
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: criticized by the analytics exactly about running the ball. You know,

531
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: the run percentage is too high. They don't know what

532
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: they're doing anymore, right. I think this was the biggest

533
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: maturity in in Zach Taylor Cincinnati. Okay, yeah, Burrow had

534
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: a great year. Jamarois had a great year, but look

535
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: what they did in the playoffs. He didn't He wasn't

536
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: embarrassed about kicking field goals. Yea. Back in the day,

537
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: field goals used to win games, right, and you didn't

538
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: care Now coaches and Stefanki's right up there with uh,

539
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: like for Abel uh issueing field goals. Uh they almost

540
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: look get it is minus four points instead of first three,

541
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: that's right. And uh, Zach Taylor, I thought grew as

542
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: a coach and lo and behold, you know they make

543
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: a run to the super Bowl. So uh, yeah, I

544
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: I think the Browns have a lot of elements, you know,

545
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: like Kyle Shanny and he's not ashamed to run the

546
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: ball and and leave Garoppolo to throw the ball twelve times,

547
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: and Belichick doesn't mind. He's won a few games. Three

548
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: times they throw it against Buffalo, right, Yeah, he probably

549
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: didn't even have to throw every time. The guy in

550
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: charges to me is that it commits the most egregious

551
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: of sins when it comes to analytics. Um to me,

552
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: he cost them several games a year, and he almost

553
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: cost them a stealer game. Pardon who did I say? Yes? Yeah, Staley? Yeah,

554
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: and I mean you know, they had a huge lead

555
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: on the Steelers and he almost cost him the game.

556
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: What a stupid decision cost the game against the Raider.

557
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. I think Harba is like that too. Yeah. Oh,

558
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: there's no doubt because he has Lamar Jackson, but there's

559
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: no doubt about so. Yeah. I think if if coaches

560
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: went back to just singular focus, I don't care what

561
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: it looks like. I just have to win this game ourselves.

562
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: Was brilliant at that. He didn't have a crap and

563
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: Belichick to you know, it's funny you mentioned that because

564
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: if I think Belichick learned from Parcels, more games are

565
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: lost league than one. You know, like, how do we

566
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: not screw this up? You know, we don't need to

567
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: outthink ourselves and you just put your ego aside and

568
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: do what you do. Well son, What was the ten

569
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: in six year for the Browns? Oh seven? Or what

570
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: year was that where they made some hey all of

571
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: a sudden? Okay, that's correct. So what happened in the

572
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: following year? Uh, you know, yeah, they blew it up

573
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: because but they had some injuries, They had a lot

574
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: of guys hurt, and then in five games and then

575
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: they they fired the coach and then they blew everything up.

576
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: They fired the GM and and they started over again.

577
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: And and so I bring that now to this year.

578
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: One of the things, I mean, two years ago very good.

579
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: This year they were on the right track. They were

580
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: on the right track. Sect the year they fall apart.

581
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: And this is why I think they bring Baker back,

582
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: or at least I think they should, because I think

583
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: he's a tough s O b. I think he's gritty. Uh,

584
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: he's a leader type. I know what l B J

585
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: the way he felt about him. But don't don't make

586
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: that mistake that you made. It would have been easier

587
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: and O seven ago. Hey, we've had a lot of injuries.

588
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna bite the bullet and we're gonna come back

589
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: with what we have because we we think we're on

590
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: the right path and don't make that same mistake. That's

591
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: just my opinion in my view from a they're establishing continuity.

592
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: You know, this is a uh No coach has lasted

593
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: three years under their president. So this big year for

594
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: the fans canad uh Tony. I was a Brown's employee

595
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: for three and sixty five days and we had three

596
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: head coaches and teaching, but one was that I was

597
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: scout for the Browns. We used to talk way back

598
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: when I got hired the day after they drafted Winslow

599
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: and got fired the day after they drafted Braylon Edwards.

600
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: So what's got canned about week seven? Yeah, exactly, Yeah.

601
00:30:54,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Tumultuous times um so yeah yeah, kind of fired me,

602
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. I I by that Phil went out with

603
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: after When did he get fired Savage after losing year?

604
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, right, that's that was all part of the years. Right.

605
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: Chazynski was the coach, Rightski was offensive coordinated Romeo Romeo,

606
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: that's right, that came back for a third time for

607
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: a one year stint to sad coach. So you know,

608
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: so when they got rid of Romeo, brought in Chazynski

609
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: out in Ericini after until was our tight end coach

610
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: when I was there. Because all themire different times, great

611
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: different roles. But you're right, there's something to be said

612
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: for being patient. But now, I mean, that's what the

613
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: Steelers do. That's why they've been successful. They're patient. They

614
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: waite things, don't you know, they just okay, they look,

615
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: they evaluate, but they don't blow things up. And we

616
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: know that's happened a lot. Yeah, I mean they put

617
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: the blow up way right, they jack But you do

618
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: have to. I mean, after seeing the playoffs that make

619
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: those passing games, uh you know you make it. It

620
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: makes you wonder, can the Browns compete with Joe Burrow

621
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson? Uh now on the right, you know, Uh Burrow,

622
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: it turns out, is the only guy that Baker beats

623
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: right against one on him right and my right or

624
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: my wrong. But then they in one in the right.

625
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: In the first here's the Bengals putting up forty one

626
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: against the Steelers twice and against the Ravens, and then

627
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: the Browns. You know Brown's turned around and they put

628
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: up Jerry. When I left that game November eight, I

629
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: think Browns sixteen. It was the biggest win, biggest lopsided

630
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: win under Stefanski, the worst loss for the Bengals all year.

631
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: I came away saying, you know what, they're gonna live

632
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: up to their expectations. And that was right after the

633
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: O b J trade and it was such an horton

634
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: game for Baker to to reclaim the locker room, and

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Speaker 1: he did it that day. They had a good defensive,

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Speaker 1: great defensive game. But that was the highlight of the season,

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Speaker 1: and that made them I think five and four or

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Speaker 1: four and three something like that. Uh and and they

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Speaker 1: just went down in the tank after that. Well, the

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Speaker 1: high the highlight of our day was having you come

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Speaker 1: on the show with of course Tony GROSSI covers the

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Speaker 1: Browns for ESPN Cleveland, longtime reporter for the Old Playing Dealer.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break, Jerry Dulac and Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: from Indianapolis. This is continuing coverage of the NFL Combine

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. Oh, this is a day one

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Speaker 1: of our full coverage from the NFL Combine. Uh, Matt

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Speaker 1: and I started at ten. We'll take you right up

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Speaker 1: until noon. West Euler, Max Starks and Dale Lally will

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Speaker 1: be take you from noon to two, and then Matt

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Speaker 1: will be back along with right Dale and Max is

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Speaker 1: that's correcting him. Yeah, So six hours of our combridge

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Speaker 1: f D. I see you know what, Matt, We've been

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Speaker 1: talking a lot about the quarterback. What might the Steelers

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Speaker 1: do you know? They might they go out and sign

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Speaker 1: some type of quarterback. Look, they're gonna bring in some

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks because they're down one so one way or another,

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Speaker 1: they're going to add a quarterback. And because that quarterback

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Speaker 1: room is so young and inexperienced for the most part.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen parts by Dwayne Haskins UH ten by Um Mason

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Speaker 1: Rudolph Um So, Um, you know they're gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna bring in some veteran it might be

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Speaker 1: like you know, as as a second or third team guy,

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Speaker 1: or will they bring in as we talked earlier, Mit

669
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Speaker 1: Drabinsky type, Jamis Winston type uh to to be the

670
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Speaker 1: starter UM, you know, or will they draft one UM?

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Speaker 1: But to me, if they draft one, they are neglecting

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Speaker 1: areas that I feel they drastically need to improve um

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Speaker 1: and and in which case I don't care who the quarterback.

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00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: With that point, if you don't fix those lines of scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: you're in trouble. When we when we met with Art

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00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: Rooney after the season, he said, the very foundation of

677
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: this team is running the ball and stopping the run. Well,

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Speaker 1: Ogi Harris obviously did okay with the grimmage that he

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: was running behind the offensive line. He was running behind,

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00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: but let's face it, it's it's as bad an offensive

681
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: line as they've had in a long, long time. So

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Speaker 1: they have to know there's a worst team in the league.

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Speaker 1: When you combine running the ball and stopping the rd, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is. They finished. I believe it

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Speaker 1: was in running when they finished dead last and stopping

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Speaker 1: the run. So if your foundation is running the ball

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00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: and stopping to run, while the Steeler foundation is crumbling,

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00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: it's on very very shaky crowd. Yes, exactly so to me, UM,

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Speaker 1: and especially the defensive line. What I see happening UM

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Speaker 1: is signing an offensive lineman in free agency because you

691
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Speaker 1: need a veteran there, you need a proven guy, UM,

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Speaker 1: and then you can pay more attention to defensive line.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the Steelers go back to back at positions

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Speaker 1: in the draft. To me, two of my first three

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Speaker 1: picks would be defensive lineman because they need to restock

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Speaker 1: that with young studs, somebody who's gonna be the next

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Speaker 1: camp you know, UM, or even the next to it,

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Speaker 1: because as of right now you can't rely on Stefan

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Speaker 1: to it. They are wary of the fact that if

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Speaker 1: he comes back, how committed is he or you know,

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Speaker 1: how much does he want to be back. There's a

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Speaker 1: big issue there, trust me, with the Steelers. So I

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00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: know Kevin Colbert said something yesterday I believe on the

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Speaker 1: air relative to that that he wants to come back

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00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: or something. But the Steelers have a question of how

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Speaker 1: committed he will be to that. And he's making a

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Speaker 1: pretty good buck absolutely, so they have to they're wary

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Speaker 1: of that, and they have to be wary of the

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Speaker 1: A and they don't have anybody behind that behind them

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Speaker 1: too on which to build. So to me, a veteran

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00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: offensive lineman and two young uh guys in on the

712
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Speaker 1: defensive line in the draft is the way to me.

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Speaker 1: If I'm orchestrating it that way, I would go. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question those should be big

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Speaker 1: priorities for this team. This is my O line plan.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you agree with me or not. Is

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Speaker 1: my first free agent move on the O line would

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Speaker 1: be to go get a solid starting guard. And I

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Speaker 1: could give you five, six, seven names. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: there's guys like James Daniels with the Bears or Connor Williams.

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Speaker 1: They're not a plus free agents. You know they're gonna

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Speaker 1: get ten million or something like that, but their quality

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Speaker 1: right guard put them there. Green Swim with its center,

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Speaker 1: but might have a finny type lurking around owned. I

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Speaker 1: would like to bring back Chokes the core for and

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Speaker 1: I don't think Chucks is a superstar, but tackles are

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Speaker 1: hard to come by, and he's still young, and if

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Speaker 1: his right guard next to him is a lot better player,

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Speaker 1: and I draft a tackle on Day two or somewhere too,

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Speaker 1: I think that might be enough for the old line. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think your idea earlier when you're talking to Jensen type,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they can, if they can pull that trigger,

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Speaker 1: I think that's ideal. Maybe move uh Green, Kendrick Green

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Speaker 1: to guard. Let's let's face a trade Turner was just

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Speaker 1: he was a late edition. Did not anticipate. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: didn't anticipate what was gonna happen with the Castro. So

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Speaker 1: now they're left with a position. They had to go

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Speaker 1: out and get a guy who was just sitting. They

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00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: were fishing from pretty shallow pool there exactly, so I

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Speaker 1: could see them moving on in that direction. Uh. Dotson

741
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: was a big disappointment last year. Um, he did not

742
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Speaker 1: evolve the way they had hoped. I'm hesitant to say expected.

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Speaker 1: Um maybe big disappointment is stretching it, but he was

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Speaker 1: disappointing that he that he didn't play the way they

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Speaker 1: had anticipated. I thought he'd take a step forward and

746
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Speaker 1: clearly be their best alignment. And I don't think they're

747
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Speaker 1: ready to move on from them, but um, you know,

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Speaker 1: um so and and they like they really like Dan

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Speaker 1: Moore yea the left tackle. Yeah yeah, yeah, but they

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Speaker 1: need their needs to be one guy there that whether

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Speaker 1: the center or a guard, uh, an established player who's

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Speaker 1: not going to break the bank, but you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to pay more than you've paid Trade Turn or somebody

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Speaker 1: like and they're someone from outside the organization. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's the first move. And I would be in really

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Speaker 1: in favor of bringing back Chookes because I don't think

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Speaker 1: it could be that expensive. And I'm a tackle. I

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Speaker 1: just know that shopping on the free agent market for

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Speaker 1: offensive tackles is I mean, that's Rodeo drive. I just

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Speaker 1: can't afford it. And you don't hardly ever get to

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00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: return but into your your offensive lineman. You'll get your

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Speaker 1: MAC out of them, right And and you know they're

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Speaker 1: gonna they have to make a contractual decision on Zack Banner.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna cost six point six million dollars, so you know,

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Speaker 1: at the very least they'll redo that and reduce that

766
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Speaker 1: by at least half. But I would rather see that

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Speaker 1: money invested in Chus of Corps or if you're going

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Speaker 1: to go go that route, I agree with you play

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Speaker 1: on draft in one as well, you know, right, so um,

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Speaker 1: And I still think Joe Haig can make this team.

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Speaker 1: What he is, I want him to be my seventh

772
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Speaker 1: or eighth offensive line or not my sixth. That's exactly right.

773
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Speaker 1: I have a ripple effect. I have a problem with that.

774
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: So to me, that's where they have to go. Then

775
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Speaker 1: of course it's going to be, you know, as Juju back.

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Speaker 1: If Juju isn't back, now you have to drive draft

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver somewhat early. You're gonna probably draft one

778
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: anyhow because you're gonna lose James Washington right right, And

779
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: they and you know, and they like skill players, and

780
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: so if they see one with a nice grade on

781
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: they'll they'll go get them. Whether it's a fourth round. Um,

782
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Speaker 1: you know, there's a third rounder and there's no Juju,

783
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: then maybe I mean a second round grade on a

784
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: guy and in the third round, maybe you take him

785
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: that Um. But to me, those lines have to be

786
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Speaker 1: addressed first and foremost. And it makes it makes your

787
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, Pete want to say, oh, they need an

788
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. Look, they have a big Well, it's it's

789
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: a simple decision on Joeberd. He's gonna cost some nine

790
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: point seven millions so much they're they're one of two

791
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: things is getting cut his salary or him and so

792
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: he becomes a better player if your defensive line if too.

793
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: It's there in al all of a sudden, and I'm willing,

794
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, they they're bead, they become better. And I'm

795
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: willing to give Devon Bush a pass because coming off

796
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: that a c L, then early in a year two

797
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: growing injuries. Um, you know the things that he relied on.

798
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: His athleticism, Um, it just wasn't there. And uh, Matt,

799
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: you know you could come back from playing after a

800
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: c L surgery, but they all tell you, you you know,

801
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: you're really not a hundred percent till it's a good

802
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: year to sixteen months before you're like your old self.

803
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: The timing is unfortunate because now I don't think he

804
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: can pick up a fifth year option after the year

805
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: he had. But what if he turns into the player

806
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: you thought he was and you actually protect him a

807
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: little bit better, and you out of Steelers are always

808
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: going to vest in big time defensive lineman eating up

809
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: box and he's gonna run and hit. And he didn't

810
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: let him do what he does well. I thought he

811
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: had a really poor year. But there's excuses are the

812
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: wrong words, but there's reasons, reasons, right, right, So I

813
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: say I'm willing to give him a pass. I'm not

814
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: saying that. You know, he was okay last year. No,

815
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: he struggled, but you know, I I don't think it's

816
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: time to give up on the problem is you just

817
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: you have a huge investment and we traded up ten

818
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: spots with the tenth overall pick. And when you do that,

819
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Speaker 1: when you're drafting that high run, you know it's not

820
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: this isn't already Burns, This isn't even Terrell Edmonds. Uh,

821
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Speaker 1: this this is he targeted a guy absolutely right, made

822
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: a big move to go get him. And the other

823
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: question is is what with Terrell Edmonds. I think Tarrell

824
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: Edmunds the the his his albatross is the fact he

825
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: was number one pick. If Terrell Edmonds was a number

826
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Speaker 1: two pick, you go, boy, he's really good. I know

827
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: he has that number one tag on him. So now

828
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: he's not as good. You know, he's not that impactful

829
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: number one guy. Second half of the season, I thought

830
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: he's been very difficul I thought it was really solid. Yeah,

831
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: I would. I don't think he's gonna be super expensive.

832
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: I would try to bring him back to I think

833
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: he's a high I think he's a quality starter. Is

834
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: he go into Pro bowls left and right? Probably not right.

835
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: He's a good player, I agree, And then of course

836
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: they'll have to they'll see what's gonna happen with Joe Hayden.

837
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: Joe wants to go out and test the market, see

838
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: if he could get one final contract. I don't know

839
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: that that's forthcoming. The coaches want to bring him back,

840
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be up to Joe where he wants

841
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: to wither fan. But we can talk about that more tomorrow. Absolutely,

842
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: and that's a guy who's a free agent. But I

843
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: would expect obviously Joe back what they do with him

844
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: or either way, I think they may fire that preemptive strike.

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