Speaker 1: Something strange is going on. Who is killing Russian billionaires?
Speaker 1: Another Russian oligarch has been found dead. Reports suggests that
Speaker 1: he hanged himself, fell out of a window, slashed his wrists,
Speaker 1: was poisoned, murdered his whole family. Last year, more than
Speaker 1: a dozen Russian oligarchs died in the space of nine months.
Speaker 1: Many of the deaths are suspicious with links to the Kremlin.
Speaker 1: This is sad Oligach, an investigation into these recently dead
Speaker 1: Russian billionaires. It's created by me Jake Hanrahan and my
Speaker 1: colleague Sergey Slipchenkov. Sad Oligach is a h eleven production
Speaker 1: for Kulso Media and iHeartRadio. As we spoke about in
Speaker 1: the previous episode, Dan Rappaport fell to his death from
Speaker 1: the window of his luxury DC apartment on August fourteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, nine stories to the concrete. He was
Speaker 1: dead at this His wife said she doesn't think it
Speaker 1: was a suicide. He showed no signs of depression or panic,
Speaker 1: and he had business meetings lined up that week, as
Speaker 1: well as a lunch date planned with her the following day.
Speaker 1: There is, however, the strange case of Rappaport's dog and
Speaker 1: an alleged suicide note attached to the dog's collar. Dan
Speaker 1: Rappaport owned a Ukraine rescue dog named Boy. According to
Speaker 1: a Russian sauce which we'll talk about later, Rappaport sent
Speaker 1: out Boy to the park before he plummeted to his death.
Speaker 1: Boy allegedly had a suicide note and cash attached to
Speaker 1: his collar, the idea being that whoever found the dog
Speaker 1: would find the note and for some reason, the cash.
Speaker 1: This is completely bizarre. If you're going to take your
Speaker 1: life via jumping from the window of your own apartment,
Speaker 1: why would you not just leave the suicide note on
Speaker 1: the side, put it on the kitchen counter, leave it
Speaker 1: on the coffee table, literally, anything would be more reliable
Speaker 1: then attaching it to your dog and letting him out
Speaker 1: into the streets. And what kind of lunatic lets their
Speaker 1: dog loose into the city like that. Rappaport went to
Speaker 1: the effort of saving Boy, bringing him back to the
Speaker 1: US with him from Ukraine, which is a complicated process.
Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe he'd then leave Boy
Speaker 1: to the mercy of the streets where he could get
Speaker 1: hit by a car stolen or put into the dog pound.
Speaker 1: This whole scenario makes no sense. It does start to
Speaker 1: make sense though, when you consider the source, but we'll
Speaker 1: come back to that later. First, Sergei Jeff. In January
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Russian businessman Sergei to Kachenko aka Sergei Jeff,
Speaker 1: fell from the window of his luxury Moscow apartment. This
Speaker 1: wasn't your usual Russian window plummet, though, this one was
Speaker 1: caught on camera. In the grainy camera pH and footage,
Speaker 1: Sergei Jef can be seen hanging from the window of
Speaker 1: his apartment about fifty feet up. He's wearing black trousers,
Speaker 1: a gray sweater, and looks to have no shoes on.
Speaker 1: In broad daylight, Jeff is stood there, perched with his
Speaker 1: feet on the sill of the window below him and
Speaker 1: with his hands holding the upper sill of his own
Speaker 1: apartment window. It's a precarious scene, to say the least.
Speaker 1: Someone inside the apartment is at the window trying to help.
Speaker 1: Apparently this was Sergei Jeff's girlfriend. The story goes that
Speaker 1: the two had been having a blazing argument and that
Speaker 1: Sergei Jeff decided to literally climb out of the window
Speaker 1: of their apartment to hang from the building in a
Speaker 1: bid to scare his girlfriend, presumably some kind of messed
Speaker 1: up threat to kill himself if she left him, or
Speaker 1: something like that. As my guess, at least in the footage,
Speaker 1: Sergei Jeff loses his footing and begins to flail with
Speaker 1: just his hands holding onto the window. His girlfriend moves
Speaker 1: back into the apartment out of sight, perhaps looking for
Speaker 1: something to assist her boyfriend. Before long, Sergei Jeff loses
Speaker 1: his grip and of course falls to his death. He
Speaker 1: was pronounced dead at the scene, with Russian emergency workers
Speaker 1: bundling his corpse into a black bag on the pavement.
Speaker 1: Several photos of this were circulated. The Russian authorities attributed
Speaker 1: his death to what is essentially misadventure. I'm really not
Speaker 1: sure what to make of this. That Dan Rappaport died
Speaker 1: the same way as his soho room's business partner is
Speaker 1: extremely suspicious when you take into account all the other factors,
Speaker 1: such as Rappaport's anti Putinism, the taxi old, the Kremlin,
Speaker 1: and his proximity to US politicians. After watching the footage
Speaker 1: of Sergei Jeff falling to his death, though it does
Speaker 1: just feel like an accident, making it possibly an incredibly
Speaker 1: unlikely but actual coincidence. Is that or someone sent the
Speaker 1: world's most inept hitman after Sergei Jeff. If you're going
Speaker 1: to fling someone out of a window to assassinate them,
Speaker 1: daylight is surely not the ideal moment to do so. Also,
Speaker 1: a full shove out the window, as in keeping it
Speaker 1: all in one movement, seems like the optimal way to
Speaker 1: do so. Now. I've never pushed anyone out of a window,
Speaker 1: and I don't intend to, but I imagine leaving a person
Speaker 1: perched on the windowsill for a few minutes is not
Speaker 1: only harder to do, but less effective than the aforementioned
Speaker 1: full shove. That said, if there ever was a way
Speaker 1: to make a death look like an accident, this convoluted
Speaker 1: window method might be ideal. I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: an assassin. It does seem unlikely to me that Sergei
Speaker 1: Jeff was murdered, though, unless maybe someone else was inside
Speaker 1: the apartment alongside Jeff's girlfriend and she was in on it.
Speaker 1: There's no evidence that's the case. Though, this really might
Speaker 1: just be a massive coincidence, So whatever happened. We do
Speaker 1: know that Dan Rappaport met the same fate as Sergei
Speaker 1: jeff a higher fall from his own apartment window. Rapperport's
Speaker 1: situation is a lot murkier, though, Whilst on the surface
Speaker 1: Rappaport might seem like a bit of a soft target
Speaker 1: for perhaps a Kremlin linked hit that out of the
Speaker 1: factors at play that could make him a target for
Speaker 1: Oligarch violence. During the months leading up to his death,
Speaker 1: Dan Rappaport was openly complaining about a sour deal with
Speaker 1: a Russian venture capital firm. He'd apparently been stiffed out
Speaker 1: of around ten thousand dollars details of scarce. From what
Speaker 1: I can gather, Rappaport either invested in or was owe
Speaker 1: the money by an unnamed Russian BC company. Yes, he
Speaker 1: was doing business with Russia in twenty twenty two, even
Speaker 1: as the Russian invasion of Ukraine raged on, something Rappaport
Speaker 1: was very openly opposed to. Now you might be wondering
Speaker 1: why a multimillionaire would care about a ten thousand dollars loss.
Speaker 1: I think in this case it's quite simple. It's the
Speaker 1: principle of it. He didn't care so much about the money,
Speaker 1: but he did care about getting screwed on a deal.
Speaker 1: That's pretty straightforward and I think understandable. Rappaport wanted to
Speaker 1: drag this Russian VC company through the mud to try
Speaker 1: and ruin their reputation after they messed him around. In
Speaker 1: April twenty twenty two, he posted about this VC scenario
Speaker 1: on his Facebook page, somewhere he was often very vocal
Speaker 1: and active, and he messaged a friend about it, saying, quote,
Speaker 1: I need a small favor. I just posted on Facebook
Speaker 1: about a Russian BC firm trying to screw me for
Speaker 1: ten K. I would really appreciate if you could like
Speaker 1: and or comment on it. I don't expect to get paid,
Speaker 1: but I want to maximize their public embarrassment. Ends quote.
Speaker 1: Whilst little more is known about this situation, it does
Speaker 1: show that Rappaport had more than a few active dispute
Speaker 1: links to Russia. At the time of his death, the
Speaker 1: Kremlin had shut down some of his businesses and accused
Speaker 1: him of tax evasion. He was openly backing one of
Speaker 1: Putin's biggest enemies, with Navali. He supported Ukraine. He was
Speaker 1: a vocal critic of Putin's authoritarian rule he had a
Speaker 1: dispute with a Russian VC firm, and he even worked
Speaker 1: with the US government to try to increase Western sanctions
Speaker 1: on Putin. Rappaport was not in the Kremlins good books,
Speaker 1: to say the least. He was a high profile Putin critic,
Speaker 1: and by association was a problem for anyone who thrives
Speaker 1: under Putin's iron rule, as he had done for several years.
Speaker 1: Despite his constant agitation against the Russian state and his
Speaker 1: many dealings within it in the past, Rappaport did not
Speaker 1: keep a low profile. He was bombastic in his messaging
Speaker 1: and frankly a bit of a show off. He'd often
Speaker 1: be photographed on the socialite scene, frequenting upmarket venues in
Speaker 1: his expensive suits and designer glasses. He'd post for photos
Speaker 1: outside the White House wearing a Ukraine badge on the
Speaker 1: lapel of his suit. In the months before his death,
Speaker 1: he posted photos of himself surrounded by beautiful women in
Speaker 1: the shanky Connaught Hotel in London. A room there costs
Speaker 1: over five hundred pounds a night. Rappaport was a businessman
Speaker 1: who enjoyed the finer things in life, and he wanted
Speaker 1: you to know about it. What he shared, though, was
Speaker 1: what he wanted out there. What he hid was quite different.
Speaker 1: Rappaport had a serious secret identity. In twenty eighteen, four
Speaker 1: years before Rappaport died, a DC based journalist named Alexei
Speaker 1: Kuzumenko dug into the background of a man named David Duberg.
Speaker 1: David Duberg was a senior Pentagon analyst on Russia released
Speaker 1: that's what he claimed. Many journalists claim this about duw
Speaker 1: Berg too, citing his work without question. David Duberg ran
Speaker 1: a popular Facebook page and he was regularly quoted in
Speaker 1: the media as a Pentagon insider when it came to
Speaker 1: Ukraine and Russia. However, the journalist Kuzumenko discovered that du
Speaker 1: Berg was not quite who he claimed to be. Kuzumenko
Speaker 1: didn't want to be interviewed for sad Oligarch for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: but his work on this is very revealing in itself.
Speaker 1: It seems that David Duberg, the Pentagon insider often cited
Speaker 1: as a real life analyst, was actually a persona set
Speaker 1: up by Dan Rappaport. Not only that, but to keep
Speaker 1: the ruse looking authentic, Rappaport falsified identification dot Com documents,
Speaker 1: including a Pentagon idcat. This is a crime in the
Speaker 1: US and could get you as many as three years
Speaker 1: in prison. What the hell was Dan? Rapoport up to
Speaker 1: the David Duburg alter ego have made an appearance online.
Speaker 1: In April twenty sixteen, Ukrainian new site named Dialogue dot
Speaker 1: ua announced that Duwburg would be writing for them. They
Speaker 1: said that he was an American soldier analyst, military history specialist,
Speaker 1: officer of the US Army, political consultant of the US
Speaker 1: State Department, Department of Defense, and national security analyst. The
Speaker 1: full ticket Dialogue dot yua went into great detail about
Speaker 1: this fake new writer David Duberg. They spoke about his parents,
Speaker 1: his high school, and how he was raised. They said
Speaker 1: Duburg had been previously deployed to Somalia, Yemen, Kosovo, Afghanistan,
Speaker 1: in Iraq. He was a lieutenant colonel before becoming a
Speaker 1: senior analyst for the US Department of Defense. They even
Speaker 1: included a photo of du Berg, a muscular white guy
Speaker 1: dressed in olive drab and a backwards cap, and the
Speaker 1: photo is leaning over one side of his pickup truck
Speaker 1: with one hand cuddling his dog. Wholesome based on his forearms. Alauren,
Speaker 1: This supposed Duberg character looks like he can bench four
Speaker 1: plates with ease. He's pretty much a routine tooting US
Speaker 1: soldier archetype. Compare this to Dan Rappaport. A man had
Speaker 1: never been to war, he was skinny, and he wore
Speaker 1: slim fits suits and shirts with loose buttons. Was David
Speaker 1: Duberg Dan Rappaport's tyler Durdham, I want you to hit
Speaker 1: me as hard as a key In the article, it
Speaker 1: says quote. From spring twenty fifteen to Autumn twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: du Berg maintained a popular Facebook page written predominantly in
Speaker 1: fluent though somewhat Americanized Russian, with occasional posts in English.
Speaker 1: The Facebook was originally started in May twenty fifth Dean
Speaker 1: and quickly began its rise to prominence. This was a
Speaker 1: time when President Obama maintained a relatively reserved stance towards
Speaker 1: Russi's aggression in Ukraine. We s them peaked in February
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen with the Battle of de Boltzeburg. Many in
Speaker 1: Ukraine and those among Russian anti poutine circles sought a
Speaker 1: stronger stance from America against the Kremlin, either through direct
Speaker 1: action or in rhetoric. Du Burg presented as a public
Speaker 1: source from within the Pentagon, appeared to fill the latter role.
Speaker 1: Along with his Facebook profile, du Burg maintained a public
Speaker 1: LinkedIn account, a Google Plus profile, and a website at
Speaker 1: du Burg's list dot com. Du Burg's LinkedIn profile bolstered
Speaker 1: a sense of legitimacy, where he displayed his connections with
Speaker 1: a number of well known Russia watchers, including Michael mcfull,
Speaker 1: the former US Ambassador to Russia, David Satter, a prominent
Speaker 1: American Russia expert and historian, and Mark Golotti, a prominent kremlinologist,
Speaker 1: and many others. Furthermore, he had a number of endorsements
Speaker 1: for various skills, a feature in LinkedIn that gave his
Speaker 1: profile a sense of authenticity ends quote. So through David Duberg,
Speaker 1: Dan Rappaport was building a fictional yet highly believable profile
Speaker 1: of an anti Putin Pentagon analyst with all the right credentials.
Speaker 1: David Duberg was an intelligent, tough guy who was heavily
Speaker 1: critical of the Kremlin. Problem was, he didn't exist. David
Speaker 1: Duberg's Facebook page was a collection of boomer esque Patriot
Speaker 1: type iconography, not far Ride or anything like that, just
Speaker 1: your average West is Best type vibe through Duburg. Rappaport
Speaker 1: was at that time promoting US Russian friendship with a
Speaker 1: Facebook banner of what is one of the worst designs
Speaker 1: I have ever seen in my entire life. It's two
Speaker 1: hands reaching out fist bumping with a pen in the
Speaker 1: middle of them that's made out of a bullet. The
Speaker 1: left fist is painted in an American flag and the
Speaker 1: right fist is painted with a Russian flag. It looks
Speaker 1: like a gas station energy drink. It is an absolute disaster,
Speaker 1: and in that way, it's kind of perfect. That said,
Speaker 1: the page does look very legit. The bio says, quote,
Speaker 1: I'm a veteran of the United States Forces. I'm of
Speaker 1: Russian descent. I blog on history. I wrote the truth
Speaker 1: and facts all that is being hidden from Russians by
Speaker 1: the Russian state media. Ends quote. There are numerous other
Speaker 1: photos of this supposed David dubog fella with other people.
Speaker 1: There are photos of this guy wearing military dress uniform,
Speaker 1: dripping in medals, a photo of him carrying a leopard
Speaker 1: for some reason, and a front line looking photo. He's
Speaker 1: in full deployment gear, helmet, body armor and of course sunglasses.
Speaker 1: But he has a Freemason patch Velt roode onto his
Speaker 1: chest drink. The Freemasons being a global secret also pretty
Speaker 1: much open society, made up of usually wealthy men of
Speaker 1: some public standing. Conspiracy theorists think that they rule the world.
Speaker 1: In reality, whilst they are a huge club of well
Speaker 1: connected people, they're not that powerful. Freemasonry can and has, however,
Speaker 1: become a breeding ground for elitist cliques. In my decade
Speaker 1: of reporting from front lines across the world with regular soldiers, militias,
Speaker 1: paramilitary forces, you name it, I have never ever seen
Speaker 1: a Freemason patch. I've seen many different patches, I actually
Speaker 1: collect them, but I have never seen a free Mason
Speaker 1: patch in a conflict zone. Naturally, that stood out to
Speaker 1: me clearly. The guy Rapperport, howevers, did these images from,
Speaker 1: was associated with Freemasonry. Either way, Rappaport did a very
Speaker 1: good job of deceiving people with the David Duberg profile,
Speaker 1: but didn't exist. So who is in the photos? It's
Speaker 1: Steve Ferrow, one of Dan Rappaport's college friends. This guy
Speaker 1: isn't Russian, He's from Texas. In fact, in some of
Speaker 1: the counterfeit juburg id cards Rapperport had made. The ID
Speaker 1: photo of Duburg is poorly photoshopped from group photos of Ferro.
Speaker 1: This level of deception is a lot of work, but
Speaker 1: to what end. Let's hear what Kuzomenko wrote about this quote.
Speaker 1: Kasenya Kirilova, a Russian journalist who was relocated to the
Speaker 1: United States, was an early witness to the rise of
Speaker 1: David Duberg's profile and influence online in the growing interest,
Speaker 1: especially among those in anti Kremlin activist and opposition circles
Speaker 1: in the United States. Kirilova said that in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: everyone in the close knit Russian opposition community in the
Speaker 1: US was talking about David Duberg, the new vocal anti
Speaker 1: poutin Pentagon official. Kirilova said that in twenty fifteen, being
Speaker 1: a fresh arrival to America after immigrating to the country
Speaker 1: a year earlier, she struggled to connect to established American
Speaker 1: experts in her field of Kremlin and propaganda studies. Her
Speaker 1: friends in her new home, including other members of the
Speaker 1: Russian opposition community, pointed her to Dubug. As Kirilova describes,
Speaker 1: Duburg was highly effective as a tool of counter propaganda
Speaker 1: during the heights of Kremlin organized this information campaigns, David
Speaker 1: Duberg enjoyed tremendous support from numerous individuals. On occasions he
Speaker 1: posted materials that really could highlight Russia's state under Putin.
Speaker 1: He was supported not because the public was dumb. He
Speaker 1: enjoyed support of smart, decent people who use some of
Speaker 1: the material he provided in their own online argument with
Speaker 1: pro pouting crowds. David Duburg endeared himself to many within
Speaker 1: Russia's opposition and in Ukraine when in the summer of
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen he penned and urged his followers to also
Speaker 1: send a letter to Facebook's managers urging the company to
Speaker 1: address its moderators alleged pro Kremlin bias ends quote. Clearly,
Speaker 1: David Dubo was more than just a Facebook profile. Rappaport
Speaker 1: was in a sense infiltrating his own community US based
Speaker 1: Russian anti Putin dissidents. But why well, My guess is
Speaker 1: people are less likely to listen to a former gas
Speaker 1: sales middleman turned nightclub owner who made millions under Putin's rule.
Speaker 1: Du Burg was nothing like that. He was an urra
Speaker 1: us soldier with Russian heritage and the feeling that America
Speaker 1: is always in the right. It's a much easier sell
Speaker 1: that said, I don't think what dubog said was radically
Speaker 1: different from what Rappaport himself actually thought. It was just
Speaker 1: dressed up in a lot of nonsense. Said nonsense worked though.
Speaker 1: Duberg was promoted by influential people in the scene. Slava Rabenovitch,
Speaker 1: a Russian American financer and blogger with nearly twenty five
Speaker 1: thousand fi Facebook followers, called Duberg his friend, and Alexander Suttnik,
Speaker 1: an opposition journalist and activist with over one hundred thousand followers,
Speaker 1: promoted Duberg's writing. Duberg's influence grew when he was invited
Speaker 1: onto a conference call with Facebook managers and Facebook Global
Speaker 1: Head of Content Policy to speak about Krimlin propaganda operations
Speaker 1: on the site, something that actually has real world significance.
Speaker 1: Due to many people's inclination not to question what they
Speaker 1: read on the Internet if it comes from an alternative perspective,
Speaker 1: many people literally believe my side good, other side bad,
Speaker 1: everything against my side propaganda. This is a bipartisan issue,
Speaker 1: trust me. So Duwberg was making waves in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: he was noted in Ukrainian media when an article was
Speaker 1: written about one of his many Facebook screens. The article
Speaker 1: was titled ten days will Suffice a Pentagon official gives
Speaker 1: a detailed description of how Russia will lose a war
Speaker 1: with NATO. Many reporters and propagandists shared Uberg's work and
Speaker 1: critically even interviewing him via email without double checking any
Speaker 1: of his credentials. Sadly, especially in conflict reporting, journalism sometimes
Speaker 1: takes a back seat in favor of pr if it
Speaker 1: concerns the perceived good guys. It's wrong, but that's how
Speaker 1: it is, especially when social media fame is in the equation.
Speaker 1: So anyway, David Duberg was ostensibly speaking on behalf of
Speaker 1: the Pentagon, or at least he was projected that way.
Speaker 1: He was making wild statements about war that would give
Speaker 1: Ukrainians and anti Putin Russians a false sense of secure.
Speaker 1: What Rappaport was doing here was pretty terrible, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you. By twenty sixteen, David Duberg was hot property. Union,
Speaker 1: a major Ukrainian information agency, ran two pieces on Duberg.
Speaker 1: A Russian ATO war Pentagon analyst predicts how it could
Speaker 1: look and how it will end, and Pentagon weighs in
Speaker 1: on the possible scenario of events in Dombas Putin's perspectives
Speaker 1: Focus dot Yue published Pentagon gave its prediction of the
Speaker 1: future of Dombas the hugely popular Sogodya dot Yue published
Speaker 1: Pentagon gives valuable advice to Ukraine's armed forces and Pentagon
Speaker 1: explains Russia's aggressive international posturing. On the same day, Ukraine's
Speaker 1: highly popular television channel ICTV also quoted Duburg in news
Speaker 1: items on its website, including Russia's defeat in the Dombas.
Speaker 1: The Pentagon gave details and the U speaks on Kremlin's expectations.
Speaker 1: As you can see, he's creating a false sense of
Speaker 1: security for Ukrainians. Around this time, the Kremlin took notice
Speaker 1: of David Duberg too. Remember he is Rappaport. Rappaport is heat,
Speaker 1: so the Kremlin also took notice of Dan Rappaport. As
Speaker 1: Jewsamenko writes, quote Dubog was brashed to the point of
Speaker 1: being offensive and equal part anti Putin and patriotic to America.
Speaker 1: David Dubog was just the kind of an American many
Speaker 1: in the Russian opposition craved. His statements also pleased Ukrainian
Speaker 1: online crowds, eager for an insider perspective affirming the belief
Speaker 1: that America and its military minds were firmly on its
Speaker 1: side in its ongoing war with Russia and its proxies. However,
Speaker 1: these same traits that endeared Duberg to Putin's foes in
Speaker 1: the fall of twenty sixteen turned out to be in
Speaker 1: high demand for Russian media looking for confirmations to the
Speaker 1: image of the warmongering, russiaphobic Pentagon long promulgated by the
Speaker 1: Kremlin anti American propaganda ends quote and so Duwberg's comments
Speaker 1: began to pop up in Russia's Kremlin run media organizations.
Speaker 1: Regnum dot Iu posted an article titled Pentagon speaks up
Speaker 1: on NATO's war against Russia. It will be a war
Speaker 1: of rifle against the laser gun. Du Berg is cited
Speaker 1: as a US Department of Defense analyst. As you can see,
Speaker 1: rapperports bullshit began to catch up with him. Now, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, there's still so much more to this story.
Speaker 1: Sergeimy had been going over it, and this one really
Speaker 1: deserves a little more time. To boil it all down.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of information in this case that we
Speaker 1: just can't glide over. The end will be spectacular lo
Speaker 1: something like that. In the next episode, the final part
Speaker 1: of what's first becoming a Dan Rappaport subplot, we'll discover
Speaker 1: who first blew the whistle on his death and how
Speaker 1: the David Duberg fraud was exposed. Sad Oliger is a
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