Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, thank you so much for joining us over
Speaker 1: here on our park Hopper episode. As we are every week,
Speaker 1: very excited to speak to our guests, but I'm a
Speaker 1: little extra excited because Halloween Town was amazing and so
Speaker 1: much fun. But April O'Neil and teenage mutant Denjit Turtles.
Speaker 1: This is a very important movie for me growing up.
Speaker 1: I also have a weird connection to this movie, which
Speaker 1: we will get into, but please help us welcome Judith Hope.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, how are you? I am good? It's raining
Speaker 2: in Nashville. Oh so I love it. Yes, and we
Speaker 2: have such fall vibes here.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm so jealous.
Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you first for coming because
Speaker 1: I know, especially around this time of year, you must
Speaker 1: just get in its busy. That's good. That's how we
Speaker 1: like to do it, like to catch everybody early and
Speaker 1: get it in there.
Speaker 2: I really wanted to be here and talk to you
Speaker 2: because tis the season.
Speaker 4: Yes it is. And we just watched the first Halloween Town.
Speaker 4: Now I've seen it. I was a fan when I
Speaker 4: was younger. I will say, rewatching it, I kind of
Speaker 4: had to remember so much of the things that happened
Speaker 4: in the movie. But this was Will's first time seeing
Speaker 4: the movie. He hadn't seen it yet.
Speaker 2: Virgin I was.
Speaker 4: He which I was happy because you know, some of
Speaker 4: the d coms sometimes they don't they don't hit the mark. No,
Speaker 4: but this one, being such a huge franchise, we both
Speaker 4: knew going into it, you know, there's a lot to
Speaker 4: love and it and for me it was the you know,
Speaker 4: nostalgia of it was incredible. For Will, I loved that
Speaker 4: it lived up to this big franchise.
Speaker 2: Names good if you have kids, it's really you know,
Speaker 2: it's a funny because who knew, you know, when we
Speaker 2: did this film, it was just a it was a
Speaker 2: standalone film. It was the Disney Channel really in its infancy.
Speaker 2: It was one of the very first movies that they did, right.
Speaker 2: You know, back in those days, there was this demarcation
Speaker 2: line film and television. Either you were a film actor
Speaker 2: or a television actor, and then there were those of
Speaker 2: us who were trying to straddle both and going, I
Speaker 2: don't get what the big deal is, Like, it's all acting.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like you're driving a car. Is that
Speaker 2: a Mercedes? Or is you go you're still driving a car.
Speaker 2: I know most people are going to be like, what
Speaker 2: is she talking about you? I'm aging myself. But then
Speaker 2: there was the Disney Channel, and that was kind of
Speaker 2: like No Man's land because it was just for kids
Speaker 2: and if you were as serious actor, you know, you
Speaker 2: were doing serious acting. And but I was sent the
Speaker 2: script and then I was told that Debbie Reynolds was
Speaker 2: attached to it, and so a legend, a legend, and
Speaker 2: so pretty much I was in, Yeah, she's doing it.
Speaker 2: And now all of those demarcation lines are gone and
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. And Disney Channel, on its own, you know,
Speaker 2: just grew into what it is.
Speaker 1: British British actors got it a lot quicker than American
Speaker 1: actors set television, film.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter if the piece is good, the piece
Speaker 3: is good.
Speaker 1: And you had people like sir Ian McKellen doing a
Speaker 1: sitcom because it was good.
Speaker 2: So well, it's acting, Yes.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: You just want to do it and you don't want
Speaker 2: to be a snob about it. And there was real
Speaker 2: pressure in the industry to be quite snobbish about it.
Speaker 2: And it just never laid right with me.
Speaker 3: So I get that too.
Speaker 4: Had you worked with Disney before on any other I had, I.
Speaker 2: Had done like pilots for Disney. I had I'm trying
Speaker 2: to remember at that point, had ABC. No, it was
Speaker 2: pre ABC Disney.
Speaker 1: That was the right time because I was show.
Speaker 2: Yeah and so, and I had sort of started on
Speaker 2: ABC in a soap opera, you know, my very first
Speaker 2: one of my very first jobs in New York. And
Speaker 2: but I mean it was Disney. We all grew up
Speaker 2: with Disney and and I lived, you know, in Studio City,
Speaker 2: so I drove past Disney studios all the time. So
Speaker 2: it was like an an amazing building and all. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was iconic and and of course Debbie was iconic
Speaker 2: and is still iconic even after she's not with us anymore.
Speaker 2: She remains an icon.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, we always say that actors don't die, they're
Speaker 1: just unavailable. Yes, yes, she would love that.
Speaker 2: She would love that.
Speaker 4: You know, they don't also don't age.
Speaker 3: You know. Is so then did they just offer you
Speaker 3: the role or you No.
Speaker 2: I went in and met with the head of Disney
Speaker 2: and the executive producer and it was a very sweet script.
Speaker 2: And you're right. So, you know, sometimes you go back
Speaker 2: and you watch the things that you liked when you
Speaker 2: were little, and you're like wah wah wah, and this
Speaker 2: just had a tremendous amount of heart in it, and
Speaker 2: you know, it had so much sweetness to it. But
Speaker 2: the head of Disney Channel at the time, Sun was
Speaker 2: a huge Ninja Turtle fan. So when I walked in
Speaker 2: the room, he said, you know, I would love to
Speaker 2: get it, you know, an autograph for my son. And
Speaker 2: he loved it, and you know, what did you think?
Speaker 2: And and we just talked about it. And I might
Speaker 2: have read, I might not have read. I don't remember,
Speaker 2: but I knew kind of when I walked out the door,
Speaker 2: it was like, I'll be really surprised if you don't
Speaker 2: get that job. Yeah, And I really like them both,
Speaker 2: and share a stringer with the executive producer and it
Speaker 2: was her first execu producing her EP job, and and
Speaker 2: we just had we went on this adventure. It was
Speaker 2: just supposed to be one film, and it did so
Speaker 2: well programming wise, like it just broke all their records,
Speaker 2: and they rushed the second one out and then really
Speaker 2: they did.
Speaker 4: They It was a quick, quick, it was around.
Speaker 2: It was quick. But we didn't end up going back
Speaker 2: to Saint Helens, Oregon, where we shot the first one.
Speaker 2: We ended up going to Vancouver, Okay, and we did
Speaker 2: the second one there, and then there was a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a pause in between the second and
Speaker 2: the third one, and then we went to Salt Lake
Speaker 2: City and then we shot the last two there and
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, on the fourth one, because
Speaker 2: we didn't have our Kimberly, And it remains a mystery
Speaker 2: why exactly Disney made that choice.
Speaker 1: But Kimberly, Kimberly a pal. She's been already and she'll
Speaker 1: come back again.
Speaker 4: But I what, you know, how you know, it's just
Speaker 4: a brilliant She was brilliant.
Speaker 2: And negotiations are always challenging, Schedules are always challenging, trying
Speaker 2: to get all the pieces to come together. I learned
Speaker 2: a long time about don't try to figure it out,
Speaker 2: like it will make you crazy, because because there's so
Speaker 2: many moving parts, there's so many things happening behind the
Speaker 2: scenes that you don't know anything about, and sometimes the
Speaker 2: cards shift and you're not supposed to be part of it,
Speaker 2: and it's like, but what I'm like? She was such
Speaker 2: the heart of it, and and we missed her. Sarah
Speaker 2: Paxton came in, and Sarah was coming off of she
Speaker 2: is a lovely young woman now a grown woman. She
Speaker 2: was just come off of Aquamarine, and you know, she
Speaker 2: had some really big shoes to fill. And my feeling was,
Speaker 2: we have to embrace her, we have to love her,
Speaker 2: and we have to help her fit into these massive shoes.
Speaker 2: And and I think at that point, you know, high
Speaker 2: School Musical was rising, rising, rising, and becoming the phenomenon
Speaker 2: that it was. And then they were like, and we're
Speaker 2: done because we thought, oh, this could keep going. Who knows,
Speaker 2: but you know four was it was a great run.
Speaker 2: It was a great run.
Speaker 3: You don't think there'll be a fifth?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, never say never. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 2: did Holcus Focus, all right, I know true that it would.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm in I get to see the fans
Speaker 2: a lot because I do a lot of comic cons.
Speaker 2: I do a lot of comic cons with Kimberly and
Speaker 2: also with Daniel Hurt now her husband. For anybody who
Speaker 2: doesn't know, it's Young Calibar in the second movie, and
Speaker 2: so we are asked, it is astonishing the fan base
Speaker 2: for this film. It's nuts, and it's worldwide. I was
Speaker 2: in Saweta, South Africa about fifteen years ago in a
Speaker 2: little restaurant, and I had a little girl come up
Speaker 2: to me and say, oh, oh, you're a mother from Halloween.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what I'm doing here? And you know, it
Speaker 2: was really kind of a surreal and wonderful moment. And
Speaker 2: and so we would all love to do it again. Obviously,
Speaker 2: it's always you know, is Disney on board and you know,
Speaker 2: what's the script? But fans have devoted all kinds of
Speaker 2: time to coming up with what that story would be.
Speaker 2: They I'm constantly handed scripts and outlines. Really oh wow,
Speaker 2: oh there is a thirst. You can't even well.
Speaker 4: They have a place that the where you guys filmed
Speaker 4: an Oregon is set up for people to tour. Isn't
Speaker 4: that what we heard from?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's Saint Helen's, Oregon. And it's a
Speaker 2: sweet little town that when the highway came through, instead
Speaker 2: of sending people through town, they sent them off in
Speaker 2: another direction and so the town kind of lost its luster.
Speaker 2: People moved away. It's, you know, sort of a classic
Speaker 2: American story. But it's the sweetest little town. It's right
Speaker 2: on the water, and they transformed it into such a
Speaker 2: magical place and it was really smart because the town,
Speaker 2: you know, council or something. I think somebody came to
Speaker 2: them maybe with an idea, and the town council paid
Speaker 2: for it and it turned into a celebration. I don't
Speaker 2: know where it is right now, if they're going to
Speaker 2: keep doing it. I know that there's been some changes
Speaker 2: that I think, honestly, we're overdue. So you know, I
Speaker 2: think they're going to try to remake it, and I
Speaker 2: know that, you know, every time we go back, it's
Speaker 2: just this great trip down memory lane, and the fans
Speaker 2: really love it.
Speaker 3: So were the first two done there? Or just the
Speaker 3: first one?
Speaker 2: Just the first one? The first one, okay, but it
Speaker 2: was the town square was such was like a character
Speaker 2: in the film. Yeah, yes, and so and on the
Speaker 2: city hall. And what it did is it really brought
Speaker 2: tourism back to Saint Helen's, Oregon. And it, you know,
Speaker 2: the first I know, the first time Kimberly went back.
Speaker 2: She went back by herself, and I think there were
Speaker 2: on it might have been one night or two nights,
Speaker 2: and on that first night there was like fifteen thousand people.
Speaker 2: It was nuts crazy. Yeah, And then we did a
Speaker 2: tribute to Debbie Reynolds and it was it was Cray
Speaker 2: there was they took very seriously, so we had like,
Speaker 2: you know, I think we needed it at all, but
Speaker 2: they had like a police escort and we were like,
Speaker 2: it was like this is a kid's movie. Everything, like
Speaker 2: nothing's gonna happen. It was, yeah, it was, but also
Speaker 2: like come on, like we're fine, Yeah, we're going up
Speaker 2: in here. This is all about love and uh no,
Speaker 2: but it was. It was pretty funny. And I said,
Speaker 2: you know, this is the closest I've ever been to
Speaker 2: being a Beatle. And you know, Luke Perry was a
Speaker 2: really dear friend of mine. God rest his soul. And
Speaker 2: he was saying that when he was doing nine O
Speaker 2: two one oh, like he had to be smuggled out
Speaker 2: of a hotel in a laundry basket, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like being a beetle man. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: He had There are times there was there's video of
Speaker 1: him like if he he was going to do a
Speaker 1: mall appearance, and there are people like almost jumping to
Speaker 1: get team.
Speaker 3: They had to rush them all I mean.
Speaker 2: And he was a guy who really didn't He was
Speaker 2: a super fun guy. I love him. He's like a brother.
Speaker 2: And that was not like he was never courting. That
Speaker 2: was never the thing he was aiming for. He just
Speaker 2: wanted to be a good actor. He wanted to act,
Speaker 2: he wanted to have a career, and that was a
Speaker 2: surreal I think when that all died down, he felt
Speaker 2: a lot of relief. I know some actors don't always
Speaker 2: feel that way. They're like, yeah, he was not the
Speaker 2: I need more guy at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you do this movie pre social media? Yeah,
Speaker 1: free any of the internet. Really, it's just it's not
Speaker 1: the nineties. God love him, I miss him all day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
Speaker 3: Did you know or.
Speaker 1: Have any idea how popular the film was when it
Speaker 1: came out?
Speaker 2: Well, when it came out, yes, because you know, it
Speaker 2: was in the trades. You know, they broke Disney. They
Speaker 2: didn't say it like that, but I mean we really
Speaker 2: gave We got numbers that they had never gotten, and
Speaker 2: it was it helped to legitimize that, especially having someone
Speaker 2: like Debbie and having you know, people there from film
Speaker 2: because there's that line and really, I'm so glad it's gone.
Speaker 2: But they they knew they had something and that's why
Speaker 2: they rushed it out. Now when we were doing it,
Speaker 2: just you never know and you hope, but it's it's
Speaker 2: really lightning in a bottle. Like I've done so many things,
Speaker 2: I've been fortunate enough that I've been attached to or
Speaker 2: part of projects that have that have a longer life
Speaker 2: than just when they came out where, and that's that's
Speaker 2: a great thing, but it's never guaranteed, and you never
Speaker 2: really know if you're going to be in one of those.
Speaker 2: But we did have Debbie Reynolds who was our fairy godmother,
Speaker 2: and she so this was before social media, and Debbie
Speaker 2: was the first actor that I had ever worked with
Speaker 2: who traveled with stacks of eight x tens to sign
Speaker 2: autographs because everywhere she went people asked her to sign
Speaker 2: an autograph, and we used to, especially when we were
Speaker 2: shooting the first film, So we had our trailers off
Speaker 2: to one side and say we had to go and
Speaker 2: shoot a scene in town hall or something or in
Speaker 2: the town square. So we had to get from the
Speaker 2: trailers to the town square. And it's a little town
Speaker 2: in Oregon, and Hollywood has come to town, so you're
Speaker 2: going to spend as much time as you can hanging
Speaker 2: out watching, especially if you're a kid and you want
Speaker 2: to an actor or you just want to be close
Speaker 2: to this thing that's exciting.
Speaker 3: It's magical.
Speaker 2: It's magical, it is, and so Debbie knew that, and
Speaker 2: so she always had step to accommodate fans. And she
Speaker 2: always stop and she always take a picture and people would,
Speaker 2: you know, she would just find autographs and hand them
Speaker 2: out like handy. And it was this because it was
Speaker 2: pre social media. I thought it was the funniest thing
Speaker 2: I'd ever seen. And I was like, because I, I
Speaker 2: didn't do that, but I wasn't Anny Reynolds, right, So
Speaker 2: I didn't and I and one day we were trying
Speaker 2: to get to set and it took so long and
Speaker 2: I just looked at her. Finally they're like, we need
Speaker 2: you guys, and these are of graphics that I looked
Speaker 2: at her and I loved her to death, and so
Speaker 2: you could we were close enough that you could really
Speaker 2: tease each other. And I said, oh my god, girl,
Speaker 2: you would just pose with a coat hanger. And she
Speaker 2: got serious. She looked at me and she said, I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell you something. If you do not have fans,
Speaker 2: you do not have a career. And it was one
Speaker 2: of those moments. Debbie had a profound effect and influence
Speaker 2: on all of us, and all of us have our
Speaker 2: own stories of her. She was one of the most
Speaker 2: generous people. She was such a teacher in so many ways.
Speaker 2: And she was hilariously funny and saucy as hell and
Speaker 2: just you know, swore like a sailor. And I just
Speaker 2: but she started out, she started out she always like
Speaker 2: presented as like a church lady. But that fell apart
Speaker 2: like in ten minutes, and so when she got into
Speaker 2: my face like that, it was like, I'm getting a
Speaker 2: piece of information that's really really important. And it's true,
Speaker 2: Like if you don't have fans, if you're not kind
Speaker 2: and generous and open hearted and keep your arms open
Speaker 2: for them and embrace them and be curious about them,
Speaker 2: and then you won't have a career.
Speaker 3: Because yeah, it's a completely smotic relationship.
Speaker 2: It really really is. And I think that you have
Speaker 2: to you they made you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, one of the things you talk about is
Speaker 1: that you were involved with projects that have had longevity
Speaker 1: and have the nostalgia attached.
Speaker 3: So I gotta go a little.
Speaker 1: Bit into teenage Mutant Ninja tourntles, which is for nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety This is I have a weird connect I told
Speaker 1: them before I have a weird connection to this movie
Speaker 1: because Michael Turney. Yeah, his mother was a manager in
Speaker 1: New York and oh yeah, I came partners with my
Speaker 1: manager in New York when I was a child actor
Speaker 1: and manager, Steve Gold at gold Star Talent Management.
Speaker 3: I was true well when I sided with them.
Speaker 1: And then I moved out to LA when I got
Speaker 1: Boy mut World at sixteen, and I've been out here
Speaker 1: ever since. But his mom so started managing me and
Speaker 1: wanted him, because he was a city kid, to experience
Speaker 1: life in the country. So she used to put him
Speaker 1: on a bus to my family in Connecticut and we
Speaker 1: used to hang out and he'd be like, where are
Speaker 1: we going and be.
Speaker 3: Like, We're going into the woods.
Speaker 1: He's like to do what, like just to be in
Speaker 1: the woods.
Speaker 4: That's where it.
Speaker 2: So when he then said your chicken coop, yeah, well no, I.
Speaker 3: Had didn't do the chicken cup. We did motorcycles all
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 2: Fun stuff so that the kids could never do it right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then he said I'm doing this movie Teenage Mutant
Speaker 1: and Turtles, and I was like, wait what, And this
Speaker 1: became I was so jealous.
Speaker 3: I was I was.
Speaker 1: Turtle Green with Envy. So I'm curious, can you walk
Speaker 1: us through a little Did you know the ip? Did
Speaker 1: you know what Teenage Mutant before?
Speaker 3: Okay at all?
Speaker 2: Nothing, you know?
Speaker 3: So what was that like when you heard about the project?
Speaker 1: And were you just like, wait, so I'm essentially the
Speaker 1: girlfriend before Turtles.
Speaker 2: No, the way that it went down is my agent
Speaker 2: who left the planet. He sadly, he diedabates in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one or ninety two. And he handed me the
Speaker 2: script and he called it Teenage Mutant Ninjain Turtles and said,
Speaker 2: now they're Ninjain Turtles. I was like, what is that?
Speaker 2: And he said ignore the title. And I thought it
Speaker 2: was handing me a horror script and for a scary
Speaker 2: movie or something. And he said, but it's a very
Speaker 2: sweet role and it's a really sweet film. So at
Speaker 2: the same time, I was doing a movie with Robin
Speaker 2: Williams called Cadillac Man. It was Robin Williams friend dresser.
Speaker 2: It was a great Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, it was a underrated, underrated Robin Williams movie.
Speaker 2: Totally underrated, heeddy, yeah, it was a great cast. And
Speaker 2: so on Fridays, so we shot in Queens, New York
Speaker 2: and then I had to fly and do pre protection
Speaker 2: in Wilmington, North Carolina, and so I would always try
Speaker 2: to get out of work on Fridays as early as possible.
Speaker 2: And I was it was kind of an improv movie
Speaker 2: and like you could weasel your way out a little
Speaker 2: early because they never knew like who was going to
Speaker 2: be in the shot and you know, And so I
Speaker 2: would try to get out of there. And one time
Speaker 2: Robin looked at me and he said, where are you
Speaker 2: running off to. You're all like you're trying to get
Speaker 2: out of the movie. You we're all trying to get
Speaker 2: in the movie. And I said, oh, I'm actually doing
Speaker 2: another movie. And he said, he said what are you doing?
Speaker 2: And Robin was another totally influential, very generous actor. And
Speaker 2: I said, oh God, I can't believe I have to
Speaker 2: say these words out loud. And I said, I'm doing
Speaker 2: movies called tenage Mutant. What what? And I said, it's
Speaker 2: it's called a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Now ignore the title.
Speaker 2: It's a really sweet screw. And he said they're making
Speaker 2: a movie of that.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I was like, how would you know this? And he said,
Speaker 2: are you playing April I about died and I said yeah,
Speaker 2: and he said, I have all the comic books. And
Speaker 2: I knew about the comic books. I didn't know about
Speaker 2: that it was a TV show, and so he helped
Speaker 2: like get me out on Fridays. And then finally I
Speaker 2: shot out in the film, and then or they wrapped
Speaker 2: me out of the film, and then I went to Wilmington.
Speaker 2: And then when we premiered at Universal, he flew down
Speaker 2: from San Francisco with his whole family and it meant
Speaker 2: the world to me.
Speaker 3: That really awesome.
Speaker 2: And then Kevin Eastman, who is the creator with Peter
Speaker 2: Laird of Ninja Turtles, was in a comic book store
Speaker 2: in San Francisco and saw Robin and went up to
Speaker 2: him and said, oh, mister Williams, I'm just a huge
Speaker 2: family named Kevin Eastman. I'm the creator of everyone teenage.
Speaker 5: Too.
Speaker 2: And then a friendship they started a friendship.
Speaker 1: Wow is awesome. Well, I am a voiceover actor. I
Speaker 1: have been for twenty.
Speaker 2: Years in such a great job.
Speaker 3: I love it so much. And the only like really,
Speaker 3: the only.
Speaker 1: IP I've never been involved in that has killed me
Speaker 1: and I've come so close so many times is Teenage Turtles.
Speaker 2: The only one. Well, next up is the last Ronan,
Speaker 2: So you.
Speaker 3: Know, I know, I know. So what was what was
Speaker 3: shooting that film?
Speaker 2: Like? It was really exciting? Well, first of all because
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about it, Like I had no idea.
Speaker 2: I couldn't conceptualize what a teenage mutant ninja turtle might
Speaker 2: look like. And I thought, are they on all fours?
Speaker 3: They were as babies until they got stuck in the ooze.
Speaker 2: That's what happened exactly. Oh that the first time I
Speaker 2: flew to North Carolina and they took me in to
Speaker 2: the creature shop. And the creature shop was Jim Henson
Speaker 2: had a creature shop in London, and his son, Brian Henson,
Speaker 2: he now runs Henson Company, brought all his guys to Wilmington,
Speaker 2: North Carolina. They had come up with these animatronics, which
Speaker 2: is this brand new technology never been used before. And
Speaker 2: I walked in and I saw them and they were
Speaker 2: in They had one fully assembled where they had the head,
Speaker 2: they had the body, they had the shell, they had
Speaker 2: the arms, they had the legs, and then they had
Speaker 2: the puppeteer who was like Hello April, and the mouth
Speaker 2: was moving and the eyes were moving and he's off
Speaker 2: to the side. And then I met the poor guys
Speaker 2: who were playing the turtles and it was surreal, wildly exciting,
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, this is so cool. But again,
Speaker 2: no idea if this film was going to be successful
Speaker 2: or not. And legend has it they did a screening
Speaker 2: of the film. New Line got the distribution rights. They
Speaker 2: did a screening over at Paramount for the film. It
Speaker 2: was all adults. They're watching the film. Nobody laughed, nobody
Speaker 2: got excited. It was just like a terrible screen wow.
Speaker 2: And so a couple of producers left and thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's it for us. We'll never work again. And
Speaker 2: then the film opened up a couple of weeks later
Speaker 2: and they thought, let's just drive around and see if
Speaker 2: anybody is a Wing and there were lines around the block. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was that year, this little film. It kind of
Speaker 2: helped put New Line on the map, even though you know,
Speaker 2: they had the Freddy movies and stuff, but this it
Speaker 2: was in the top ten highest grossing movies of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: And we had a whole battle pr wise with Pretty
Speaker 2: Woman in the newspaper every week that we were both
Speaker 2: in the you know, in the theaters at the same time,
Speaker 2: it was great fun.
Speaker 3: It's a great I mean, it is a great movie.
Speaker 3: It is it is.
Speaker 1: You know, this is way before people were doing decent
Speaker 1: comic book adaptations. Yes, Batman had come out in eighty nine,
Speaker 1: so there was people were open to more of a
Speaker 1: kind of cartoony look to things.
Speaker 3: So when you took the grit and then the re
Speaker 3: and then that you.
Speaker 1: Could see the turtle you bought the turtle you bought them,
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm in, yeah, you got it.
Speaker 3: I'm there.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: But the difference with this movie that I think was
Speaker 2: what made everybody so uncomfortable in the screening was it
Speaker 2: was a little dark. Yeah it was, and there was
Speaker 2: there was some swearing, and that was you know, And
Speaker 2: what I think what they did is I think that
Speaker 2: everybody treats kids like they're supposed to be happy and
Speaker 2: sunshiny and really this is the care free time of
Speaker 2: your life. Well hi, yeah, childhood is traumatizing. Look at
Speaker 2: all the adults walking around trauma, you know, traumatized. And
Speaker 2: it didn't talk down to kids, it didn't. It wasn't
Speaker 2: preaching anything to them. It was just showing this wonderful
Speaker 2: slice of life back when kids were out smoking cigarettes, running,
Speaker 2: you know, doing all the things that they did that
Speaker 2: they were allowed to do. They didn't have all the
Speaker 2: hermetically sealed bags around them that kids have now and
Speaker 2: and I think that's why the movie has had such
Speaker 2: staying power and the Turtle universe just keeps expanding. I'm
Speaker 2: just stunned. I'm stunned.
Speaker 3: So did were you asked to be in Secret of
Speaker 3: the US did you decide not.
Speaker 2: To do it? Now? What happened is they fired me? What? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have a little bit of a okay, so being
Speaker 2: cast as April, I you know they I am that
Speaker 2: spirit of like, if I see things that I don't
Speaker 2: agree with, I'm going to say something. And there were
Speaker 2: things happening on that. So it's an ultra little budget movie, right.
Speaker 2: It's Golden Harvest, which is a Chinese film company that
Speaker 2: you know now they have to work with unions and stuff.
Speaker 2: And we were working six days a week. We had
Speaker 2: a full first unit, full second unit. You know, there
Speaker 2: was so much that they had to do deal with
Speaker 2: and there were so many corners getting cut and there
Speaker 2: were safety issues. Stuntmen were getting hurt, they were getting
Speaker 2: put back on planes, back back to China. You know,
Speaker 2: there were things that were happening that were not cool,
Speaker 2: and I, being very April, spoke up. I'm a little sister.
Speaker 2: I had two older brothers. You had to like yell
Speaker 2: to be heard. And not that I was yelling in
Speaker 2: any way, but I was taught like, if you really
Speaker 2: believe something, you should say something. What I didn't know
Speaker 2: then and I learned very quickly, was a woman in
Speaker 2: Hollywood who has a point of view will probably get
Speaker 2: herself fired. And they didn't want to hear what I
Speaker 2: had to say because because honestly, I'm a young woman.
Speaker 2: It's my first starring role in a film. You're if
Speaker 2: this happened today, I would know how to say what
Speaker 2: I said defending like they wanted to cut out all
Speaker 2: this stuff in the Farmhouse, which is such an important
Speaker 2: part of the film, and they were saying, kids don't
Speaker 2: care about that, it's just fluff. I was like, what
Speaker 2: this is the story? This is like, you can't cut this,
Speaker 2: and not that that's my job, it's Steve Barron's job.
Speaker 2: But they you know, they fired him, they fired me,
Speaker 2: they like, and the second movie reflects all the changes
Speaker 2: that they had. This lightning in a bottle and it
Speaker 2: was such a huge success, and then they changed everything
Speaker 2: and that's doesn't make any sense, but that's what they did.
Speaker 2: So that's why I wasn't in the other one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bringing in Vanilla Ice did not save Secret of.
Speaker 2: Youth, No, but you so it's a great song, and
Speaker 2: you guesn't think they did. But I, you know, it's
Speaker 2: hard of being in the business. And obviously I hold
Speaker 2: no grudges. Otherwise I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't I would have gotten really upset. For me,
Speaker 2: it was like.
Speaker 5: Welcome to Hollywood, baby, if you haven't promise to love
Speaker 5: you back.
Speaker 2: And it was like part of the process of like,
Speaker 2: if you want to do this thing, you're gonna lose
Speaker 2: an eye, you're gonna get knocked out, you're gonna you
Speaker 2: got to keep getting back up, keep getting back up.
Speaker 2: And and so while I would have loved to have continued,
Speaker 2: I don't think I would have enjoyed those second and
Speaker 2: third versions of how they were doing them.
Speaker 4: Yes, you were only going to have more of an
Speaker 4: opinion because you were going to be more invested in
Speaker 4: and it's you know, it's it's hard because it is
Speaker 4: so true. Nowadays, women know exactly how to get what
Speaker 4: we want and we know we have a void.
Speaker 2: We're still working on it.
Speaker 4: We're still working on it, but it's a lot better
Speaker 4: than it used to be, and we have more confidence
Speaker 4: because we also have band together and we found like
Speaker 4: our power, you know, in our voice.
Speaker 2: And the thing about that film was in so many
Speaker 2: ways it was like movie making summer camp, and we
Speaker 2: were all in this thing together, and there like there
Speaker 2: was creative like Steve barn Is an amazing director. It
Speaker 2: was such a joy to work with him, and like
Speaker 2: there was freedom to express yourself. But there were you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes in the executive realms, there there are egos that
Speaker 2: you inadvertently step on their space and it just happens,
Speaker 2: and it's sort of part of it. And honestly, don't
Speaker 2: regret it because that's what April would have done. And
Speaker 2: I love that I still would have said those things
Speaker 2: because I wasn't wrong.
Speaker 1: No, you're also you didn't It's not like you weren't
Speaker 1: asked back to be in Godfather too, So.
Speaker 2: No Godfather three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right there, at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: don't really miss out too much by by not being
Speaker 1: secret of the ooze.
Speaker 2: Right, and I have such a connection to the fans.
Speaker 2: I just leaned in hard during COVID because friend Dresher
Speaker 2: is a friend of mine, and she was She's the
Speaker 2: person who really started the table reads during COVID for
Speaker 2: the fans. You know, we're all stuck in the house,
Speaker 2: so let's let's do something for them. And so I
Speaker 2: got everybody together, I had some help, and we did
Speaker 2: a table read of not the whole script. I got
Speaker 2: vetoed on that one, but I wanted to do the
Speaker 2: whole thing. And I just started seeing like how much
Speaker 2: really doing comic cons, how much this means to the fans.
Speaker 2: It is the world and so full circle moment. Debbie
Speaker 2: Reynolds taught me everything I know about that and how
Speaker 2: important it is to connect with them and to create
Speaker 2: a space where they get to tell you what their
Speaker 2: experience is. So I do.
Speaker 3: I do the cons too, and they're the best, so
Speaker 3: much fun.
Speaker 2: Hopefully our paths will cross.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm sure, I'm it is is.
Speaker 2: It's a weird little subculture, but it's so much fun.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite. I'm a nerd, it always have been.
Speaker 1: So the world's just catching.
Speaker 3: Up with me as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: I know, you know, the way that I look at
Speaker 2: is the nerds win. Yes, they win, they won. They
Speaker 2: were always the cool ones.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I have a super hot wife and a great career.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty happy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you put that on a man outside your house,
Speaker 4: but you got it.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to go back a little bit to
Speaker 4: Halloween Town because sure some of the things, like our producers.
Speaker 4: We've got these amazing producers. When I love best about them,
Speaker 4: they are super fans. Oh so many things, especially I
Speaker 4: love that everything else they I love it because they've
Speaker 4: they have knowledge, They've got the way to figure out stuff.
Speaker 4: So one of the things they told me, and I
Speaker 4: was shocked, was that this budget of the film that
Speaker 4: you guys had I wanted to see, Like we read
Speaker 4: that it was only four million, and with the set design,
Speaker 4: the costuming, the makeup, I mean, it seems like that
Speaker 4: is little for what you guys really like achieved on
Speaker 4: during the process of filming this. Do you remember how
Speaker 4: they were pulling all that off? Was someone calling in
Speaker 4: a friend who doing it for free, Like I just
Speaker 4: it's crazy to see what you guys did with four
Speaker 4: million dollars.
Speaker 2: We had one of the greatest designers who oh gosh,
Speaker 2: what was his name? It was our production designer. It
Speaker 2: will come to me in a second. It's coming up
Speaker 2: through the memory banks and the only you get the
Speaker 2: more youth store in there. And I learned if I
Speaker 2: just give it a minute, it shows back up. But
Speaker 2: he was such a genius. They were just really lucky
Speaker 2: that Alfred Zoul Alfred he is no longer with us. Yes,
Speaker 2: we loved the Googles, well, we loved, don't love, but
Speaker 2: he was phenomenal. We had uh Dwayne Dunham, who was
Speaker 2: one of the original editors on Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to, you want to.
Speaker 1: He won an Academy Award I think for for Return
Speaker 1: of the Jedi, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so we had a great helm, We had
Speaker 2: a really fun script. We had a great cast. I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, those kids, you know, Kimberly Brown, j Paul Zimmermann,
Speaker 2: Emily Rose. I mean, it was just uh, Robin Thomas
Speaker 2: as Calibar, I mean, and the creatures that we had,
Speaker 2: I mean they were they were brilliant, and so there
Speaker 2: was so much that was that fed into it. But
Speaker 2: were you a shitz Creek fan. Yes, yes, so in
Speaker 2: the what is the Little movie they made? After as
Speaker 2: like warmest regards or something, and they talked about like
Speaker 2: the making of Shit's Creek and how they had no budget, right,
Speaker 2: and they they somehow it, you know, the clothes and
Speaker 2: everything was just so amazing. I think sometimes when you're
Speaker 2: limited by no budget, it forces you to be way
Speaker 2: more creative than you would be if you had a
Speaker 2: lot of money. And I think we see that sometimes
Speaker 2: in movies that have gigantic budgets. It's like, where's the
Speaker 2: creativity here? It's like they just threw money at everything.
Speaker 2: So while you always want more money, sometimes it's you know,
Speaker 2: necessity is the mother of creation, and so they had
Speaker 2: to dig deep.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, they got your director on board by
Speaker 1: telling him the budget.
Speaker 3: It was thirty million.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that's oh.
Speaker 1: So he was originally told there was going to be
Speaker 1: a thirty million dollar movie and then they went, sorry,
Speaker 1: it's four you've.
Speaker 2: Heard me wrong.
Speaker 1: Slightly different budgets, yes, shocking.
Speaker 2: That Hollywood wouldn't tell the truth about something.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, thinking a Disney channel was going to
Speaker 4: have a thirty minute We've done quite a few in
Speaker 4: this was.
Speaker 2: Probably there are budget for a couple of years, years exactly.
Speaker 4: So yeah, thinking that that was the truth, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's that's crazy. But when you did the second as
Speaker 4: you went through the franchise, what we've seen with others
Speaker 4: and talking to other people with big franchises and the
Speaker 4: budget builds, did you guys see that as well? I mean,
Speaker 4: are we go because we haven't. I haven't seen. I've
Speaker 4: only seen the first one. I haven't seen the second
Speaker 4: or third one, fourth. I bet you've done because he's seen.
Speaker 2: I will say this. I want to say this gracefully.
Speaker 2: Certain studios aren't known for being very forthcoming with their dollars.
Speaker 1: Yes, we've said many times, we've all were all Disney kids,
Speaker 1: all Disney kids.
Speaker 3: We loved being Disney kids.
Speaker 2: But they are.
Speaker 3: But they were company.
Speaker 2: They were a type fisted company.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 2: And if they could get you to sell your dog
Speaker 2: and give them the money, I said, they can put
Speaker 2: it into craft service. They would y And that's probably
Speaker 2: too harsh, but I'm saying I'm joking. But but not
Speaker 2: and they definitely they would spend a little bit more,
Speaker 2: but not a lot more. Right, we got paid a
Speaker 2: little bit more, but not a lot more, but there
Speaker 2: were little There were enough increases to keep you coming back.
Speaker 2: I think for all the departments, for the directors, for
Speaker 2: the art directors, for the you know, the production designers
Speaker 2: and all that, and so it did increase, but never
Speaker 2: I think where you would hope.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, do you now do you know the genesis
Speaker 3: of Halloween Town? Do you know how it started?
Speaker 2: I've heard stuff, but it sounds like you might have. Yes.
Speaker 1: Well, well it started with a question to the producers
Speaker 1: from their child who said, yeah, where did the creatures
Speaker 1: go on the thirty?
Speaker 3: After the thirty first? All of them that were on
Speaker 3: the street, where do they go?
Speaker 1: So they wrote a thing for NBC which was going
Speaker 1: to be an adult version, like a real hard edge
Speaker 1: hitting So maybe that's.
Speaker 3: Where the thirty million dollar budget they were able to
Speaker 3: say that was going to happen.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's I mean, it was to see
Speaker 1: how you get from that to what we just saw
Speaker 1: with four million dollars at Disney Channel as opposed to
Speaker 1: however many tens of millions of dollars it would have
Speaker 1: been on NBC. You see the different variations and versions
Speaker 1: that Halloween Town went through.
Speaker 4: And like you said, you guys were sort of the
Speaker 4: pioneers of or part of that, the first of having
Speaker 4: these big numbers and everything. Even though they were excited
Speaker 4: for the second one, they really didn't have any guarantee
Speaker 4: that it was going to keep, that it was going
Speaker 4: to be just as good, if not better. You know
Speaker 4: that they were still figuring out. And this is one
Speaker 4: thing Will and I are seeing as we're watching all
Speaker 4: these different d cooms. This was the era of them
Speaker 4: kind of figuring out what is a real dcom? Where
Speaker 4: are we what's what's the bar? You know, how high
Speaker 4: do we you know, set it and everything? And I
Speaker 4: mean something like Halloween Town blew through any expectation they
Speaker 4: probably ever had for this movie.
Speaker 1: Well you want to have a fun night, watch Halloween
Speaker 1: Town first and then go watch the new Zombies movie
Speaker 1: when it comes out, which has a forty million dollar
Speaker 1: budget for Disney Channel. Oh yeah, yes, yeah, And so
Speaker 1: you see what you helped to create.
Speaker 4: Create, Yes, because we are for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we watched the budgets change and just
Speaker 2: across the board, like when when it started to go crazy.
Speaker 2: And I remember I did a film called Armageddon and
Speaker 2: with Michael Bay and at that time it was the biggest,
Speaker 2: which is also it was a touchdown Disney picture, and
Speaker 2: it was the biggest. It was like one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars, which then was the biggest budget ever.
Speaker 3: It's like nothing ever and.
Speaker 2: That it just kept growing, growing, growing, growing growing, And
Speaker 2: now it's so astronomical that it's so hard to make films.
Speaker 2: And I and they're you know, they pin all their
Speaker 2: hopes on the tent pole film, and I think what
Speaker 2: people really are craving are some of these you.
Speaker 3: Know, filmmakers actually made movies again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that are a little less I know,
Speaker 2: you know all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Fun fact about Armageddon, if you take out all the
Speaker 1: slow motion, it's only fourteen minutes long.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of people aren't weren't aware of that when
Speaker 1: they actually saw it. It's a very just people just
Speaker 1: walked normally. It's a fourteen minute film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, such a fun I had lunch with Steve Buscemi
Speaker 2: every chance I got, and it was such a great cast.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was an incredible cast.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing lived Tyler first thing in the morning, coming
Speaker 2: to the makeup trailer with no makeup and just looking dewy,
Speaker 2: fresh and delicious and stunning. I'm sure stunning, it was like,
Speaker 2: and she was just as sweet and kind as could be.
Speaker 2: So it was it was fun.
Speaker 3: So speaking of cast, are you entire with anybody from
Speaker 3: Halloween Town still?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I was at Kimberly and Daniel's wedding. Oh nice,
Speaker 2: it was. It was so good. It was so good.
Speaker 2: I mean, Kimberly was thirteen years old when we first
Speaker 2: started working together, and I and we've stayed in touch
Speaker 2: the whole time, and we were friends in La and
Speaker 2: we'd get together and we walked, and it was really
Speaker 2: fun when she got to be old enough where she
Speaker 2: could come over and have a cocktail. And when you
Speaker 2: moved from you know, mother daughter to friends, although we
Speaker 2: were never mother daughter because she, you know, she had
Speaker 2: a mom. But I was definitely tasked on that set.
Speaker 2: You know, if I'm working with kids, like you've got
Speaker 2: to wrangle the kids, and it's a it's a challenging thing.
Speaker 2: People always ask me like, oh, my kid's so talented.
Speaker 2: Should they be in the business. I'm like, no, No,
Speaker 2: I don't do that. Why would you do that if
Speaker 2: they want to be an actor? When they turn eighteen,
Speaker 2: they could go get an agent and they could go
Speaker 2: do auditions. It's hard, so hard to do though, I know,
Speaker 2: But but I had worked with and we know the stories.
Speaker 2: Like some kids they're fine, they turn out fine, and
Speaker 2: there's a lot that don't. Yeah, and I felt like
Speaker 2: I'd seen kids be treated like there were adults on
Speaker 2: sets in ways that you know, they can be pretty
Speaker 2: rough with actors, like they're not always as tactful as
Speaker 2: maybe you would like or and I felt like, you know,
Speaker 2: they're their job is and you know this, well, your
Speaker 2: job is so much harder than everybody else's. You're getting up,
Speaker 2: you're in rehearsals, you're shooting, and you're going to school.
Speaker 2: Every free moment you were spent going back to class
Speaker 2: and doing school and then coming back.
Speaker 4: You would know, right, it's sober. I don't feel like
Speaker 4: I learned anything.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I disagree entirely.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I wasn't. How is that for you?
Speaker 4: So I had I went to normal school and then
Speaker 4: would book jobs I didn't have while I was really
Speaker 4: in school, except for Bold and the Beautiful. My senior
Speaker 4: year of high school. Oh god, she was reoccurring a like,
Speaker 4: you know, weekly type thing where I know Will's experience
Speaker 4: was much different. Mine was going and doing guest starring,
Speaker 4: So it was a couple of days here and there, commercials,
Speaker 4: you know, music videos, that kind of stuff. And I
Speaker 4: was going and working for a couple of days and
Speaker 4: coming back and I just, I mean, because it was
Speaker 4: having a teacher for just a few it was like
Speaker 4: having a substitute teacher in class, like on my regular class. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I doesn't know what our lesson plan is. She's just
Speaker 4: kind of given like basically homework to give us. So
Speaker 4: that's what I would do, is homework for three hours,
Speaker 4: but throughout the day, because it was fifteen minutes here,
Speaker 4: thirty five minutes there, you know, to build up the
Speaker 4: three hours for the day. I never learned anything. My
Speaker 4: experience was different than Will's though, So I feel like you,
Speaker 4: I mean, actual.
Speaker 2: Teacher relationship I did.
Speaker 1: We did seven seven years of Boy Me to World,
Speaker 1: and I was only I only did school the first year,
Speaker 1: but my grades went from a C minus to an
Speaker 1: A plus. I graduated highest honors. Because it's just you
Speaker 1: and a teacher for three hours, right, try to try
Speaker 1: to like you know, write notes to your friends and
Speaker 1: and get distracted when there's just one teacher sitting in
Speaker 1: front of you, you can't. So my grades skyrocketed. Ben
Speaker 1: Savage went to Stanford writer went to Columbia. I mean
Speaker 1: we all all went out and went to school. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great.
Speaker 3: I loved it. But at the same time, I had
Speaker 3: to fight to be an actor.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's you know, I love that. And I
Speaker 2: think that I was trying to fight to be an
Speaker 2: actor and my parents were having none.
Speaker 3: That's kind of My parents were like, go to college
Speaker 3: and like, and I did.
Speaker 2: But I didn't live in LA I grew up in
Speaker 2: outside of New York and it wasn't yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: I was in Westchester.
Speaker 3: County, Okay, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: And so but I saw so many kids who, you know,
Speaker 2: like I did Nashville and so it was Lennon and
Speaker 2: Maysie Stella and you know, we did sixties and they
Speaker 2: were there all six seasons, and they were I could
Speaker 2: see the pressure mounting. I could see the you know,
Speaker 2: and they're great, Oh my gosh there and they've turned
Speaker 2: out beautifully. But it is a harder job for the
Speaker 2: kids than it is for the adults.
Speaker 3: And with the age is the problem.
Speaker 1: There's no line none, things that would you know, older women,
Speaker 1: stuff like that on the set that I weren't treating
Speaker 1: me like I was fifteen. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: so it's it's a strange world to be in, but
Speaker 1: it's also all I personally believe a lot of it
Speaker 1: comes down to just the family you were raised in.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so close to my family that they
Speaker 1: knew I had to do thet you They did.
Speaker 4: Exactly I had. That was the same thing. I mean,
Speaker 4: being around, you know, hearing other people's stories. It's like,
Speaker 4: it's so sad to me because it just wasn't my experience.
Speaker 4: My parents were on set with me. Their eyes were
Speaker 4: on me at all times, you know, yeah, and I
Speaker 4: felt protected and I felt like they if there was
Speaker 4: anything that was a little bit it wasn't, you know,
Speaker 4: just don't do that. It was explained to me. This
Speaker 4: is why, you know, because one day you're going to
Speaker 4: be on a set by yourself if you want to
Speaker 4: continue acting, and you need to be able to you
Speaker 4: need to advocate for yourself, and you need to be
Speaker 4: able to protect yourself and know how to not put yourself.
Speaker 1: On so wait, so your parents essentially told you why
Speaker 1: you couldn't enjoy Halloween.
Speaker 3: They didn't just not explain it to.
Speaker 2: You exactly like in Halloween.
Speaker 1: Town, it's just you did You didn't at all, didn't
Speaker 1: explain it at all.
Speaker 5: But so you know, when I read a script, I
Speaker 5: was like, what so much uh oh sounds can I be?
Speaker 2: So my experiences, oftentimes your given scripts where they don't
Speaker 2: necessarily answer all the questions. So your job as an
Speaker 2: actress to answer all the questions. And I thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: I am a witch who is pretending to be a human.
Speaker 2: I married a human. I have half human half witch children.
Speaker 2: I've seen et I know what happens so smart. If
Speaker 2: they knew that I had half witch kids, they would
Speaker 2: come and take my kids, yes, and they would do
Speaker 2: exactly and that they would do experiments on them. And
Speaker 2: then I imperil every single person who's in Halloween Town.
Speaker 2: And so it was an act of love.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping you alive by doing that, and that's why.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't in the script, and I had to
Speaker 2: make that up and justify that for myself to understand
Speaker 2: why I was doing what I was doing. And it
Speaker 2: was funny because my role was described in the script
Speaker 2: as I was kind of like a Martha Stewart. I
Speaker 2: went in, Who's kind of perfect, and everything's kind of nice.
Speaker 2: And because we had no budget, you know, my clothes
Speaker 2: literally probably came from Goodwill, right, And I went for
Speaker 2: a fitting and it was like, this is glooing not
Speaker 2: loving it.
Speaker 3: He said, Marcia. Marcia's right, Marcia.
Speaker 2: And so they tailored everything and I got to first
Speaker 2: day on set. I'm in, I'm having my hair done,
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh gosh, we are going off the
Speaker 2: rails with this hair. And it was the executive producer
Speaker 2: was in there kind of orchestrating the whole thing and
Speaker 2: didn't want any hair going in your face in any way,
Speaker 2: so everything had to be like chalacked back. And I
Speaker 2: remember like feeling like something bad had just happened to me.
Speaker 2: And I went out and I showed and like, and
Speaker 2: then I go into my trailer and I put on
Speaker 2: my wardrobe and nothing fits. It's like they tailored it
Speaker 2: for somebody else's body. So now I've got like crazy
Speaker 2: hair and clothes that don't really fit. And I go
Speaker 2: to the director and I'm like, and he looked at
Speaker 2: me and he said, what happened? And I said, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, and so you know, help put the look together.
Speaker 2: And he was like, oh, you look great. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: and I will get no help for this. So I
Speaker 2: went back to my trailer and it was the first
Speaker 2: time ever that I felt like, I'm embarrassed. This is
Speaker 2: not how I saw my character looking. This is not
Speaker 2: I oh my, you know, I have cameltoe. I can't
Speaker 2: these these pants don't fit like. And I had a
Speaker 2: wonderful acting teacher and she was like, the script her
Speaker 2: name was Diana Castle, and the script is your treasure map.
Speaker 2: And so it was like, all right, look, yes, all
Speaker 2: of these things are true, but that's not why you're here.
Speaker 2: You're here to tell a story. So what's the story.
Speaker 2: It was like, I'm a witch who's pretending to be
Speaker 2: a human. Oh, so you're not your authentic self. You're
Speaker 2: pretending to be something that you're not. Would that mean
Speaker 2: that you're close don't quite fit right, and You're hair
Speaker 2: is a little off, and you don't really fit this
Speaker 2: thing because you're not being you. You're pretending to be
Speaker 2: something else. And once I landed on that, I was like, damn.
Speaker 2: The door of my trailer flew open. And my camel too,
Speaker 2: and you ready to go. This is what humans do,
Speaker 2: this is what I do. And I'm such an ugly shirt.
Speaker 2: I could probably undo that button and let me I'm
Speaker 2: down a little bit, but I'm a cancel sitting and
Speaker 2: so I could. And then as the films progressed and
Speaker 2: Gwen lightened up, you know, it was all sort of
Speaker 2: her coming into her own skin. So she definitely had
Speaker 2: an arc as well. But you know, it's my job
Speaker 2: to make sense of the nonsense sometimes and so.
Speaker 1: On.
Speaker 2: But I was mean because I loved Well, that's.
Speaker 3: That's what's important. And we thank you so much for
Speaker 3: joining us today. This has been so cool. I don't
Speaker 3: think we're going to go past Cameltoe. I think that's.
Speaker 2: Gonna yeah, that's gonna scene scene.
Speaker 1: It's a perfect but we have three more of these
Speaker 1: to do, so hopefully we will be able to get
Speaker 1: you back and you can come on and talk.
Speaker 4: About some of the other one.
Speaker 2: Well, definitely, Kimberly. I love nothing more than spending time
Speaker 2: with her, and actually just to let people know we're
Speaker 2: going to be together doing Galaxy Con in December in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 2: I think it's like December six.
Speaker 3: Oh cool.
Speaker 1: We're doing a bunch of Galaxy cons next year, so
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll cross paths.
Speaker 2: I hope. So I love those shows. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: great show.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we'll be able to cross Oh, I hope.
Speaker 1: Kimberly and I met at a convention and have been
Speaker 1: have continued our friendship. After that. We ended up at
Speaker 1: october Fest in Tulsa, Oklahoma together. So you never know
Speaker 1: where you're going to end up or what you're going
Speaker 1: to do these little towns.
Speaker 3: It's great, but thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys are amazing. It was a pleasure being here.
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking me. And now we're friends.
Speaker 3: Now we're friends.
Speaker 1: So we will see you at convention and you are
Speaker 1: going to come back and join us.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to watch the evolution of what happens
Speaker 4: with the storyline, the characters, everything. This was so fun
Speaker 4: and I loved being able to watch it with my daughter.
Speaker 4: It was so sound. She's four, so.
Speaker 2: The day the beginning.
Speaker 4: Section scared her a little bit, but I was like,
Speaker 4: we're good, we're good, We're good, and then she ends
Speaker 4: up loving it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh good, good, good.
Speaker 4: Of course your kids have watched, right, you've had to
Speaker 4: have that.
Speaker 2: They have, they have it, and they were actually they
Speaker 2: would come and cut themselves in little places in the
Speaker 2: set and watch moment shoot and they had to be
Speaker 2: very very quiet because cool and they were really there
Speaker 2: just for the craft service. Of course, that's why.
Speaker 4: We're all there.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day. What I'm there for
Speaker 3: is the craft service. The craft service is my treasure map.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I've been working in my kids were in
Speaker 2: school and they're like, okay, so this is what I
Speaker 2: want off the table, and like I literally I always
Speaker 2: felt like such a beggar because like at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I'm swiping stuff off. Yeah, it was like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna want because I never really let him have
Speaker 2: sodas very much. We want coach and you know, chips,
Speaker 2: some kind of chips. We're gonna need that too. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like filling my bag on them.
Speaker 1: So nice, thank you, and we will please come back
Speaker 1: and join us again.
Speaker 2: I would love to I would love to you guys.
Speaker 2: What a pleasure. Bye bye.
Speaker 1: So sweet.
Speaker 3: She's one of those people that just got stories for days.
Speaker 1: You just want to sit down and listen to all
Speaker 1: the things that she's saying, yeah, I didn't want.
Speaker 4: To talk, so idyone have to explain everything to her.
Speaker 4: But it made me feel like her figuring out what
Speaker 4: Ninja Turtles was like, I'm like figuring out between me
Speaker 4: and Will Will I just got this movie and You're like,
Speaker 4: what's it called? And I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, like blue Beetle something like that. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 3: it's called Booster Gold. I'm like, what it's.
Speaker 4: Called green Lantern?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What is that?
Speaker 3: And I'll be doing the same thing. I'll be like,
Speaker 3: they're having me rumba Is.
Speaker 2: That a thing? Isn't that the thing that cleans the
Speaker 2: floor when you leave? Like? What's going on? I love it?
Speaker 4: That was so funny. I was just giggling inside, going
Speaker 4: She's literally explaining a story that could absolute into me.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for joining us, and thank you
Speaker 1: Judith Hope for joining us.
Speaker 2: How cool was that?
Speaker 1: And join us next time again as we are going
Speaker 1: to be watching Smart House, which I seen. I hoping
Speaker 1: it's about a house that's really smart.
Speaker 4: I think that I haven't seen this one, but it
Speaker 4: is one the fans have been dying for it.
Speaker 3: So I can't wait.
Speaker 4: I'm stoked.
Speaker 3: We are checking it out. Join us next time. Thank
Speaker 3: you everybody, and we will see you later. Five payn