1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 2: Saundra's here with me, and I'm so excited because we 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 2: were right next to each other in the wedding. So 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 2: I want to hear all the all the details about 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: last night. But thanks for being here. 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 3: You're so welcome. I'd have been heard if I was 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: not asked to. Oh well, of course we. 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Have you on the pod. 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so tell me how are you doing. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Did you have so much fun last night? 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I had too much fun because you know, 12 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 3: I'm I'm not sure i'll remember this morning. But I 13 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: need a nap. 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: I know same. 15 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: I have not gotten a lot of sleep. We were 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: just talking about the bachelorette bags. Oh yeah, yeah, the 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: bags that you get under your eyes because you get 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: no sleep. 19 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 3: No, no, these aren't bags. These are they're here to stay. 20 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: This is this season's yes and and and lack of sleep. 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: Yes, but you know there's way more positives, including the 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: uh the person who was sitting next to you. 23 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: Tell me all about this escort. 24 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 3: Well, you know he was part of the bacherette party. Okay, entertainment. Yes, 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: and apparently we and I got happy together, and so 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: I guess the producers are the powers that be decided 27 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: he should be my date for the evening for real? 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: Like I didn't know this, well, I didn't know it 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: until yesterday, okay, literally so but I embraced it, you know. 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 3: And then I found out that I got to talk 31 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: to JP about Jesse Palmer about okay, yes, got it 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: about him, and so you know, I was happy to 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: point out his attribute, his physical attributes. How could I not? 34 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: For anyone who has not seen it, tell us where 35 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: where your gentleman escort comes from? 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Like what does he do for his career? 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: Chip and Dale dancer? Okay, so now you know what 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. He's from Brazil. So look, and you 39 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 3: know what, really a nice guy. Oh good, they got 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: a chance to talk, not just touch and really a 41 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: nice young man. 42 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: Okay. 43 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: I really liked his attire last night he was wearing. 44 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: I was just going to say, well, he didn't really 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: have a tire. 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 3: He had a tie on, yeah, tie and a jacket 47 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: and a jacket but no shirt obviously. And you know, 48 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: when I told him what we were going to be 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 3: chatting about, I said, you're gonna have to unbtton your coat. 50 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 3: Okay he said, oh okay. 51 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: It was buttoned before that. 52 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was chili. So he had buttoned up. 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 3: We're on a mission here, so you're gonna have to 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 3: un button until he said, okay, you know what. He 55 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: was great to work with and that's fun. Yeah, he 56 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: had a good time. 57 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: So I haven't gotten to see the show because clearly 58 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: we were part of it. And I assume they'll show 59 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: the bachelorette party as part of the package of the show, right, 60 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: I hear they really did. Oh okay, so tell me 61 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: about it, like what happened on the show. 62 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you what what I experienced while 63 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: we were doing it, but I don't know what they 64 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: what they brought through, okay, but what they edited. So 65 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: the Bachelette party we had, you know, the gift opening 66 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: we had. I remember the food. It was very good. 67 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: But then the surprise where was it? Oh, I don't know, 68 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: somewhere up. 69 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: In there in California. 70 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, you know, in the gorgeous hills overlooking 71 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: the Overlookers and it was a beautiful place. So the 72 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: surprise was the Chip Anddale dancers. Although if we thought 73 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: about it, we realized, oh yeah, every Bachelerette party has 74 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 3: Chip you know, the cop that comes and disrobes. And 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: so we had these dancers and they performed for us, 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: and then we had to engage with them. You had 77 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: to well, yeah, I remember. 78 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: I remember. 79 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: I was kind of sitting back, being a little conservative 80 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: and Parisa when the handlers is, Sondra, come on, get 81 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: in this now. Oh okay. So I picked up a 82 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: pot and kind of roped him in. And I'm not 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: sure what I did after that. 84 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: I have no because there was alcohol or you just. 85 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: Want to drink, so but got it. Yeah, but you 86 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 3: know I did the I did the chippendale thing. I 87 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,679 Speaker 3: touched him amazing And. 88 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 1: Was it just you participating or others? 89 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: There were four dancers and there were five five in 90 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: the party, five of us in the parties, okay, and 91 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: so there was plenty of flesh to share. Funny, Yeah, 92 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: there was. 93 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: Did you get his number? 94 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: I actually do. Have we been texting? We've been texting. 95 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 3: You know what again? A sweet young man? 96 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, you totally is. 97 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: And then Ellen was saying that there was a lingerie 98 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: photo shoot. 99 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 3: And then the other surprise. 100 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big surprise. 101 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: You guys had no idea, of course not and and 102 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: it was because I saw something on Instagram this morning 103 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: of Teresa in her laingerie and the photo shoot like 104 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: a boudoir or whatever. Yes, and how did she respond 105 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: to it, like at first? Was she really excited or 106 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: totally willing to do something like that or. 107 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: We I'm not certain about Teresa because for that I 108 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: think she went first or so okay, she was separate 109 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 3: from the rest of us. Okay, So I don't know 110 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: about her, but I know we were all surprised when 111 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: they brought in the racks of lingerie things with our 112 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: sizes or names or whatever, and was like, Okay, what 113 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: are we going to do with this? Yes, so okay, 114 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: and then we of course had to change clothes and 115 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: we put these things on, and we were all like, okay, 116 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: what's happening here? 117 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: Right? 118 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: And then they had some of the camera operators and 119 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: sound people were guys, and we were wait a minute, Yeah, 120 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: they had the lady crew come in and got it. 121 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: And then this photographer, what a gorgeous young lady. She 122 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: she she made us all relaxed. I tell you it was. 123 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: We all had anxiety. I was telling JP last night, 124 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: you know, when it first started, my anxieties on a 125 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 3: one to ten Scaleward at an eleven? What the what 126 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: are we? Yeah? Yeah, but in short order, we were 127 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: all having a ball. 128 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: I love it. Who all was there? 129 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: You mean who was at the bachelorette party? 130 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? Who did the lingerie shoot? 131 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 4: All of us? 132 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 3: We each had a session, and then we had a 133 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 3: group gathering. 134 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah, but all of the golden bachelorettes were there. 135 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: Well, there was four five of us, Ellen, Ellen, Susan, Faith, Sondra. 136 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: I guess I love that you said to yourself, I'm 137 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: on the list. 138 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: I think that was it. Yeah, so all of us. 139 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: And then when I say all of us in the 140 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: in the group shot, Teresa was with us. 141 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, got it? 142 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: All this skimpy underwear we were, I mean we were 143 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 3: nude underneath, no bras. 144 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: No, yes, some pasties and yeah yeah yeah, good for you. 145 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: It was interest. I've never done anything like I was just. 146 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: Going to say, is this something that you've ever done before? 147 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 4: No? 148 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: Well, well let me back up. 149 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh I was. 150 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 3: Young and I had a spouse. We did a little 151 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 3: lingerie thingy yes, a few. 152 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: Times, okay, more than a photo shoot. 153 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeahs yes, I know those V days. Okay, I made 154 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: sure that those things got destroyed. Yes, I was so 155 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: self critical. 156 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: Oh same, yea whatever, same, same. 157 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: We're all our own biggest critic, right, okay, So what 158 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: did you think of the wedding? Oh? 159 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: Gorgeous? Right, Oh my goodness. The venue. You know, they 160 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: did a hell of a job. 161 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: They really did. 162 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: It's beautiful. 163 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: How did you feel being at your ex boyfriend's wedding 164 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: with one of your friends? 165 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: How was that? 166 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: For long past that? 167 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: I know, I assume that, but I just wonder if. 168 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if I ever looked at 169 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: Gary as a boyfriend, okay, boyfriend. You know, I looked 170 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: at him as a great guy and a great choice. 171 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: You know, castingly did a great job with him, and 172 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 3: I looked at him as a friend. And now what 173 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: America didn't see on TV? Because you know, there's forty 174 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: three minutes a week of right Golden Bachelor. The chats 175 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: that he and I had, we had a lot of 176 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: good chats, laughter and all that, but no one ever 177 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: saw it. 178 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course talked football, which is my favorite s 179 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 4: love it. 180 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, so but so it's great? 181 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, but isn't it funny like the world 182 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: of Bachelor Nation? Right? This kind of thing is normal, normal, 183 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: quote unquote to us sitting in a wedding. You know, 184 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: I've been to I think all of the televised wedding, 185 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: sure you have, and and it in my world has 186 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: become kind of commonplace where I go to people's weddings too. 187 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: I've spent very little time with or I don't even 188 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: know them. And to me, I don't know if you 189 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: feel this way yet or have ever, but I feel 190 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: like we're one big family, whether we're happy or dysfunction 191 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: l or whatever you want to call us, dysfunction exactly right. 192 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: And so I love being there for my family, and 193 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: and it is odd like being I always feel bad 194 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: like being kind of close to the front because I'm 195 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: like the people that actually spend like do life with 196 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: them and their every day are not up here getting 197 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 2: you know, close. And I I love Gary and Teresa 198 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: and obviously wanted to be there to support them, but 199 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe these other people should like be closer upfront. 200 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? 201 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: Other people meaning like they're being his friend, their friends 202 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: and family, You know what I mean? 203 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: Well, yes I do. But here's the thing. The family's 204 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: been with them all their lives. Yeah, this is sort 205 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: of an adjunct family, a second family, so they're we're 206 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: not as important as brothers sister's children gradually, but we are. 207 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 3: We are their next family. And it sounds like and 208 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 3: it makes me feel like we'll always be that, Like 209 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: you're coming back all the time. I you know, we're alumni. Yeah, 210 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: and I just assume that I'll see everyone again. Oh 211 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: for sure you are some venture a wedding, yes, something 212 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: you know. 213 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: Yes, So that's what that's my favorite thing about this stuff, 214 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: the reunions. It is I told I think Ryan last night, 215 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: it's like my happy place. I got to have my 216 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 2: family there and I m like my foursome of family 217 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: Ryan and the kids, and then I get to have 218 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: my Bachelor Nation family and my in my life. My 219 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: friends are my chosen family. And I just love being 220 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: able to reconnect with people that I share this you know, 221 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: crazy odd story with. Right. 222 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 4: I like seeing the new couples and oh yeah, I 223 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 4: just got engaged, you know, and so we know we 224 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 4: know there's another wedding cross our fingers in the future. 225 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: And right, you know, maybe we'll get to be a 226 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: part of that. Yeah, it's it's warming to me, I'm feeling, 227 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: I'm feeling really special to be a part of this 228 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: new family group. 229 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: Grateful, really am well, we're we're grateful that you're a 230 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: part of it. 231 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: Thank you, of. 232 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: Course, thank you so much for being here. 233 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: Thank you. You're so good seeing you in your family 234 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: and your biological family. 235 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, right, yes, all right, thank you. 236 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: Thank you. Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous 237 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: podcast on iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.